Do the Proud Boys Deserve To Be in Prison Forever?

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Do the Proud Boys Deserve To Be in Prison Forever?

In this week's The Reason Roundtable, editors Matt Welch and Katherine Mangu-Ward welcome special guests C.J. Ciaramella and Joe Lancaster to consider the particularly long prison sentences handed out to Proud Boys leaders for their roles in the January 6 Capitol riot and discuss President Joe Biden's use of email aliases.

2:19: Proud Boys leaders sentenced for their roles in the January 6 Capitol riot

20:24: President Joe Biden's email aliases

30:44: Weekly Listener Question

48:38: The aftermath of Hurricane Idalia

Mentioned in this podcast:

"Proud Boys Leader Sentenced to 17 Years in Prison Over January 6 Riot," by Robby Soave

"Punishing Rioters Is Wise. Bogus 'Seditious Conspiracy' Charges Are Not." by J.D. Tuccille

"Do These Seditious Conspiracy Convictions Prove the Capitol Riot 'Was Not Spontaneous'?" by Jacob Sullum

"Fani Willis Is Abusing Georgia's Terrible RICO Law," by Joe Lancaster

"Joe Biden's Email Aliases Are a Potentially Serious Transparency Problem," by C.J. Ciaramella

"Protecting Kids on Social Media Act Cloaks Attack on Privacy Behind Concern for Children," by J.D. Tuccille

"In Scathing Rulings, Federal Courts Block Arkansas and Texas Age Verification Laws," by Elizabeth Nolan Brown

"Federal Prison Guards Confessed to Rape and Got Away With It," by C.J. Ciaramella

"Subsidized Flood Insurance Makes Storm Damage Worse," by Joe Lancaster

"Immigrants Welcome Here: Puzzle #5," by Stella Zawistowski

Send your questions to [e-mail]. Be sure to include your social media handle and the correct pronunciation of your name.

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[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

Do the Proud Boys Deserve To Be in Prison Forever?

Nahhh. Five years at the most. And ineligible to run for any federal office.

#SorosProsecutorsLightOnTreason

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Weirdly the ringleaders of the lolsurection face no charges at all.

It’s a funny old world isn’t it?

[JesseAz]

Soros funded many of the groups who rioted during the BLM summer of peace, so shrike has to be a hypocrite here.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

If he could feel shame, his actions would force him to kill him self.

[Olivahunter]

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[Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo]

And possibly a participant. Many antifa/BLM rioters are coincidentally have histories of rape and pedophilia.

[Mother's Lament]

For what? Watching FBI agents smash windows and call for insurrection?

[SQRLSY One]

That wasn’t FBI agents doing that; it was Lizard People!

(Well, perhaps it could also have been PLANTS (ass in photosynthetic plants) consciously, cunt-scientiously cunt-spiraling to help out their OWN genetic offspring at the expense of OTHER plants of the same species! ANYTHING is pussible when ye BLEEVE in Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer and Her Leadershit of the Internet Puss-Pus-Cesspool!)

[Mother's Lament]

"wasn’t FBI agents doing that; it was Lizard People"

Shillsy thinks the FBI are "Lizard People". Not really unexpected.

"PLANTS (ass in photosynthetic plants) consciously, cunt-scientiously cunt-spiraling to help out their OWN genetic offspring"

I noticed you didn't actually read the article, shithead, because aside from your weasely addition of "consciously" that's exactly what they were doing.

[SQRLSY One]

I read Your totally off-topic article, every word of it!

Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer, we were CLEARLY discussing organism having (expressing) a PREFERENCE FOR THEIR OWN GENETIC OFFSPRING over the offspring of other members of the same species. Your article makes NO such case. If the “mother plants” (who retain seeds for later, optimally-timed dispersal) were to REJECT seeds from ANOTHER such plant, that are implanted, in an experiment, while brain-scanning the rejection decision of the mother plant, THEN you would have a leg to stand on! Plants don’t have brains to use to decide ANYTHING with!

(Brainless plants are MULCH like YOU... Since YOU "think" with Your Perfect Tribalism instead of with Your So-Called "Brain"!)

[Mother's Lament]

Read the fucking article, you lazy retard. Don't lie that you did and then lie about what it said.

"One example in which offspring care is observed in plants is in the little cactus (less than 3cm in diameter) called Mammillaria hernandezii... The special characteristic about M. hernandezii is that it is serotinous, which means that it will keep a portion of the seeds that it produces inside the stem... Being serotinous has many advantages. It can help in protecting the offspring from seed hunters, such as ants. It can also allow the delayed release of seeds when conditions in the environment are best for germination... In short, while inside the mother plant, the seeds experience the stress of the habitat they live in, including pulses of rain and the lack of it. But by learning from this experience, while still being protected by the mother plant, the seeds are more prepared to face the unpredictability of their habitat. The seeds do this by producing special proteins that make them stronger when it comes to germination.
Another mechanism plants have for giving their offspring a head start involves sharing roots with their parent. This is thought to ensure the seedling a good start, until it can be independent enough to survive from its own roots and nutrients."

In black and white, parent plants caring for their offspring.

Oh, and take this weaselly little attempt at goalpost moving and inventing irrelevant exceptions,

"If the “mother plants” (who retain seeds for later, optimally-timed dispersal) were to REJECT seeds from ANOTHER such plant, that are implanted"

...and cram it up your ass.

[SQRLSY One]

THE PLANTS HAVE NO FUCKING CHOICE HERE!!!!

They generate the seeds that they retain for a wee tad, and then disperse later, FROM THE GENETIC MATERIAL THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE TO THEM! What, are you saying that God (or God's Boss, the Great Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer) gives them a CHOICE between generating the seeds with their OWN genetic material, v/s the genetic material of strangers? THE PLANTS ARE EXPRESSING NO CHOICES OR PREFERENCES!!!!

YOU are stubbornly, Perfectly STUPID BEYOND COMPARE!!!

[Mother's Lament]

"THE PLANTS HAVE NO FUCKING CHOICE HERE!!!!"

So fucking what? All parental care is genetically imprinted. Like plants most animals aren't self aware.

And you're moving goalposts again. You're too stupid to get away with it.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

They FBI just telegraphed their next move with the Florida Nazis.

[JesseAz]

If you ask the true libertarians here they believe it is treason and they don't deserve life. For a riot.

2B in damages, 27 deaths, firebombs, Etc deserve way less. All depends on the politics.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Those were mostly peaceful deaths and riots.

[SQRLSY One]

One of my goals is to show that power-lusting Trumptards slobber over the prospect of getting MOAH POWAH for themselves, at ANY costs! Ethics, principles, people, law and order, a decent future for most people… ALL can and WILL be sacrificed for MOAH POWAH for Trumpturds!
READ the below and hang your tiny brainless, power-lusting shit-head in SHAME for always taking the side of Trumpanzees, power-luster-pig!
https://www.jpost.com/international/kill-him-with-his-own-gun-dc-cop-talks-about-the-riot-655709 also https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/28/michael-fanone-trump-gop-riots/
‘Kill him with his own gun’ – DC cop talks about Capitol riot
DC Police officer Michael Fanone: I had a choice to make: Use deadly force, which would likely result with the mob ending his life, or trying something else.
“Pro-law-and-order” Trumpturds take the side of trumpanzees going apeshit, making cops beg for their lives! For trying to defend democracy against mobocracy! Can you slime-wads sink ANY lower?!?!

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

None of which threatened the Democratic establishment or progressive sensibilities.

[Mickey Rat]

There is also that the Proud Boys previously have been most known for opposing the activities of the terrorist wing of the Progressive Movement, Antifa. One may suspect this sentence is punishment for more than what happened on Jan 6.

[Medulla Oblongata]

This.

[JohnZ]

And cities are extorted to pay these thugs for pain and suffering:
https://thepostmillennial.com/american-cities-ordered-to-give-over-68-million-to-antifa-blm-agitators-after-2020-riots-caused-2-billion-in-damage?cfp

[Dillinger]

>>consider the particularly long prison sentences ... & ... President Joe Biden's use of email aliases.

certainly hope you people sound a bunch angrier in conversation than you appear in writing. fucking injustice turtles all the way down and somehow it's Elon's fault today

[Mike Laursen]

Another example that for many of the commenters here it’s not enough that Reason say the right things. They have to say them with rage and condemnation!!!

[JesseAz]

Commenting with light comments after the bad act is done is what most people call pussyfooting around a subject.

Yes. A libertarian should be against bad acts and state so loudly. Not mutter under their breath that maybe it is a bad thing. So fuck off. Do we need yo post sullums J6 articles? Why is the temperament so disparate between political groups?

[Mother's Lament]

Imagine thinking an ostensibly libertarian magazine shouldn't be angry and condemn a vice president abusing his office for personal gain.

Mike's certainly something.

[Michael Ejercito]

Did they have hissy fits over Trump wanting a second look at the circumstances of the firing of that Ukrainian prosecutor?

[Dillinger]

>>ostensibly libertarian magazine shouldn’t be angry and condemn a vice president abusing his office for personal gain

y tu, gracias.

[Dillinger]

>>Yes. A libertarian should be against bad acts and state so loudly.

this. gracias.

[SQRLSY One]

"They have to say them with rage and condemnation!!!"

Not enough! Not NEARLY enough! They ALSO have to say them with copious cum-soaked Orange Dick-Sucking! ALL HAIL THE UBER-DONALD!!!!

[Medulla Oblongata]

To be sure.

[Public Entelectual]

How about the one who ran down and proudly smashed into the pavement that slim teenage girl protesting the New York Republican club speech where their founder famously brandished a samurai sword?

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Cite?

[Public Entelectual]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/proud-boys-nypd-response-alleged-assault-gavin-mcinnes-metropolitan-republican-club-manhattan/

" after the group's founder, Gavin McInnes, spoke at a nearby Republican club. The men appear in the video to be yelling slurs and expletives while kicking and punching several anti-fascist protesters who lay on the sidewalk...
Fox News showed a video clip of McInnes holding the sword up in front of protesters but wrote in a tweet that "Antifa strikes again -- swords and vandalism at New York GOP office."

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Horatius at the bridge.

[Public Entelectual]

Don't be an idiot. Rome would proudly toss any knucklehead who assaulted a women in the name of civilization off the Tarpeian rock.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Can you define a woman?
Are you a biologist or something?

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Also he wouldn’t consider a member of antifa human.

[Public Entelectual]

How better could a madman die
Than facing vulgar odds
Of going down in history
As one damn useless clod.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Don’t give up your day job. (Which is posting cringe on the internet for 50 cents a post.)

[Azathoth!!]

Are you talking about the time antifa attacked the Proud Boys and attendees of a talk they gave in NYC?

The one where the Proud Boys sought the assistance of the police and were themselves charged as a result?

Why yes, you are.

[Mother's Lament]

"where their founder famously brandished a samurai sword"

Is that now illegal? What if they brandish a Roman gladius instead?

[nobody 2]

That's even more illegal. The Romans were European, which makes it white supremacy.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

The left considers the Japanese to be White these days.

[Public Entelectual]

That’s odd. McInnes generally comes across as a vulgar madman.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Sick burn, bro!

[Mother's Lament]

Progs can't meme.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Isn’t it sad?

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

If they retract their long-held beliefs, then, and only then should they be released.

[Mike Laursen]

There is example after example of January 6th rioters expressing remorse at their sentencing. And of those, a few examples of the same person turning right around as soon as they get out of the courtroom and showing no remorse.

[JesseAz]

Fuck you for supporting and repeating this: There is example after example of January 6th rioters expressing remorse at their sentencing.

Judges basically induced them to make those statements to get lighter sentencing. The lawyers refused to defend many of them if they chose not to make those statements. They were state induced fealty statements so fuck off.

[R Mac]

God damn you really are an evil cunt.

[Mother's Lament]

Good for them. I hope they spat on the floor too.

Fucking fascist kangaroo courts. Fuck them and fuck the White Mikes of the world that support them.

[Mike Laursen]

“Trump won!”

[Azathoth!!]

“Trump won!”

He did.

There is example after example of January 6th rioters expressing remorse at their sentencing.

No. There is not.

There is example after example of leftist judges forcing Maoist confessions on American citizens in one of the most disgusting perversions of justice this country has ever seen.

[JoeJoetheIdiotCircusBoy]

Why don't they publish the weekly listener questions anymore? I want to know what it is before I start listening.

[Mother's Lament]

Just ask White Mike. He apparently writes 75% of the ones not written by staff.

[Jerryskids]

Do the Proud Boys Deserve To Be in Prison Forever?

Given that at least 2/3 of them work for the FBI, I'm going to go with "Yes".

[JesseAz]

Tarrio got 22 years and he wasn't even in D.C. A terrorism enhancement over a knocked over fence.

Hope the Mikes and Sarcs of the world like the breath of terrorism charges they cheered for.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Let’s hope they get what they deserve.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo]

When the work turns there must be no mercy for the Marxists.

[Vernon Depner]

The useful idiots are always the first against the wall.

[Guy]

If you want to stop age verification for porn just explain to politicians that they have to show their ID's too.

[Rev Arthur L kuckland]

No, but all progressives Marxist and Biden voters deserve death.

[AT]

Funny you should mention that.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/09/internet-troll-motivations/675203/

Is that all we are now?

[Azathoth!!]

We?

You're a lefty piece of shit so who know what normal for you.

People telling peoplw to die/drop dead/fuck off and die and countless other permutations of such is an ancient epithet.

Pretending that it's some new thing is just more leftist stupidity trotted out in the hope of getting people to think you're not the baddies despite the blood you cover yourselves in hourly.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo]

Correct.

[AT]

Forever? No.

For a significant period of time? Yes, absolutely. Especially the leaders. (Cut the head off the snake!)

The whole reason I don't have a problem with throwing the book at J6ers is because society needs to be reminded that what these people did was WRONG. Was it insurrection, sedition, a plot to overthrow the government? Of course not.

Was it unhinged violence and mayhem of a raging mob so incensed that they lost all ability to reason and tell Right from Wrong, turned loose on the Capitol building after being whipped into a frenzy by a demagogue? YES. YES IT WAS.

The fact that ANYONE is OK with it - as they rationalize, excuse, ignore, or otherwise defend them is precisely WHY they need a harsh sentence. Same reason we should have been throwing BLM/Antifa down a hole and leaving them there to rot.

MAGA - like its Marxist counterpart - has needed a harsh comeuppance for awhile now. Partisanship - mindless, frothing, us vs them partisanship needs that comeuppance.

Before it destroys this nation.

[Michael Ejercito]

Was it unhinged violence and mayhem of a raging mob so incensed that they lost all ability to reason and tell Right from Wrong, turned loose on the Capitol building after being whipped into a frenzy by a demagogue? YES. YES IT WAS.

The people who prosecuted Tarrio argued it was a premeditated attack. That was their entire basis for the case against him.

If the riot was spontaneous, then Tarrio would not be guilty.

[AT]

All the more appropriate then.

My point is, I don't believe the "mostly peaceful" garbage whether it comes out of the mouths of MAGAs or Marxists. We all watched on live television what those maniacs were doing. We can blame herd mentality for some of it, but regardless - the key fact is that it was wrong. And the fact that so many on both sides are descending into believing that this kind of things is acceptable (let alone praiseworthy!) is a serious, serious problem.

And I have no issue whatsoever with Lady Justice kicking those people in the teeth. Harsh, fast, and mercilessly - before we start planting the seeds that people should be excused for this sort of thing.

[JesseAz]

Your point is you believe in political prosecutions and utilization of the state to strike fear against anyone who doesn’t blindly accept the state narratives.

Your emotional diatribe is that of a toddler.

The fact you think words, minor assault, etc is so much vile when done against the state deserves extreme sentencing as compared yo violence against citizens is the tell.

Fuck off.

[AT]

I'll repeat what you obviously didn't read:

"The fact that ANYONE is OK with it – as they rationalize, excuse, ignore, or otherwise defend them is precisely WHY they need a harsh sentence."

YOU are why these people need to be made an example of. You can't even acknowledge the reality of it all, as you tribalistically try to minimize the mayhem of maniacs while shifting blame to a convenient enemy/whipping boy.

Partisans like you don't get it. They can't see it. The American People - both left and right - has had enough of the fringe being the narrators. Get it through your skull and spread the word: MAGA is done. America is sick of those unhinged frothing nutjobs. The Marxists have crossed the Rubicon. America is sick of their clear intent to destroy everything America stands for. They can both go rot in the same hole, because they deserve each other.

America, on the other hand, deserves better. And they're starting to wake up to the fact that their so-called "representatives" are in fact would-be benevolent dictators pandering exclusively to hyper-partisan lunatics. While, I might add, never delivering on ANYTHING they promise, doing nothing but feeding them reasons to stay hyper-partisan and unhinged.

They feed off of stupidity, Jesse. Stop being their meal.

[JesseAz]

And ill repeat. You admit you want harsher punishments due to political considerations.

Firebombs get 1 year. Stabbings get 3 years probation. Assault gets under a year. Raping a child gets months.

Political acts of violence like shootings of cops, bombing of congress ended up with less time than the Proud Boys here who merely had a few assaults and knocked over a fence. You advocate for decades. This is the bullshit authoritarian governments produce. See the USSR, Venezuela, Cuba. Youre a supporter of strong authoritarian governments.

Less than 30% of those who received over a year of no bail and jail committed any act of violence or vandalism. Yet you support it.

Yet you want to punish people for perceived political crimes with decades. You propose higher sentencing for actions against the state as compared to actions against common citizens. A cop shoots an unarmed woman they get medals.

So I repeat. Fuck off.

The partisan here is you. You want loyalty to a state with nobody being able to petition said government.

Your false centrist bullshit is support of a corrupt state.

[AT]

No, I want harsher punishments in order to make an example out of those who veil their desire for mayhem and anarchy behind "protest." I don't know how I could have been clearer on that point.

Your choosing to misunderstand/misrepresent it is a cheap straw man used in a glaring attempt to rationalize their wrongdoing.

I would have loved to get Al Capone on murder. But, absent that, I will absolutely take tax evasion if it means that scumbag rots in a hole and then dies of syphilis.

The Proud Bois (and Oathkeepers) are no different. They are a gang of violent incel psychopaths who no longer recognize America as a Constitutional Nation of law and order, and they belong behind bars. Right next to their compatriots in Antifa and BLM. I will absolutely accept any excuse to remove them from civil society.

The only reason I don't advocate for a posse to round up every Proud BLM Antifakeeper in America is because I respect that Constitutional rule of law. Because, if I didn't - man, I'd be 100% OK with every one of them hanging from the same tree.

America doesn't need or want these degenerates. Stop defending them.

[Liberty Lover]

Then why don't you want harsh penalties for those that attacked and burned federal buildings on the West Coast. They are Federal buildings the same as the Capitol. Why weren't the antifa people in the riot also arrested and sentenced to long prison terms? The guy that tried to help Ashley Babbit when she was shot was a known antifa agitator, no arrest and prison term for him. What about Ray Epps, FBI informant and agitator that is on video inciting the attack on the Capitol, where is his prison term? Why aren't you demanding these people be locked up for decades?

[AT]

> Then why don’t you want harsh penalties for those that attacked and burned federal buildings on the West Coast.

I do.

> Why aren’t you demanding these people be locked up for decades?

I am.

[Ersatz]

'I do.... I am'
I can say that because the establishment given power to pursue equal enforcement just happens to be the one pursuing selective enforcement.

sounds like a mendacious fig leaf... unless and until a whole lot of crap is cleaned form the Augean Stables i guess you're safe from fact checking.

Niiiiiice!

[Reshufflex]

“Get it through your skull and spread the word: MAGA is done.”

What a goofy statement.

Trump got over 73 million votes. Notwithstanding that not all of them were MAGA, that’s the most by a sitting president. Ever. He leads in the current polls by>40% again his GOP rivals, and is neck/neck against Biden.

Looks to me like MAGA is just warming up.

[AT]

Sure, and Joe Biden got 81M votes. Right. *wink*

It's mind-blowing to me how people can be so easily led to believe something ridiculous by intentionally being myopic.

Do the math, Reshuf. Being wholly generous: < 100% of people on the right support Trump. < 50% of people in the middle support Trump. < 1% of people on the left support Trump.

In 2016, most people on the right didn't vote for Trump. They voted for Anyone But Hillary. In 2020, having nothing to show for four years of posturing, trolling, smack-talk, failing to swamp-drain (and endorsing so many RINOs), he then unceremoniously lost to a doddering, senile fool that sniffs hair and shakes hands with invisible people.

That's not support. That's, at best, apathy/cowardice voting herd mentality from binary choice slaves who have resigned themselves to the lesser of two evils.

MAGA has never had the numbers they pretend to. They delude themselves with things like polls (wait, those aren't fake news now?) and rally sizes - because they refuse to acknowledge the simple reality that America hates that man. He has a bloc of VERY loyal supporters, but they live in echo chambers and spend all their time affirming each other.

And, after J6, America got a real good look and saw how they weren't "patriots" or "salt of the earth" or "humble blue collar folk" or anything else they like to tell themselves - they're just the same unhinged partisan maniacs as those on the left, only wearing a red hat instead of a blue one.

This country is DONE with MAGA. We are DONE with the fanatics and the mindless partisans and the frothing activists. Why do you think the overall 2024 sentiment towards "Trump vs Biden" is one of exhaustion, frustration, and ambivalence? Because America doesn't want these degenerate pukes, and is sick of drag queen elections.

They want better. They want representation. And they want to feed the MAGA/Marxist Useful Idiots who insist on "more of the same" their teeth.

[Azathoth!!]

Sure, and Joe Biden got 81M votes.

No.

Trump DID get over 73 miilion votes. The right does not set up "the largest vote fraud organization".

Trumps votes were real. He got them over the objections of people like you and your comrades in the media, the DNC and the RNC.

He got them while you were throwing everything you had at him.

If anything, Trump's popularity is routinely UNDERSTATED.

[AT]

"All ours are totes legit! You're the cheaters!"

Says both sides.

*eyeroll*

Thank you for the illustration of tribalism, Aza.

[Public Entelectual]

Q:
Who told Tucker Carlson last week about how, on January 6th, his officers “had their asses handed to them" in an “80-minute hand-to-hand battle” with folks bent on cop-bashing until, exhausted and beaten, the officers' line folded and the Trumosta's smashed their way into the building?

A:
Former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund,

[JesseAz]

Funny you bring up Sund as his main discussion point was political actors telling Capitol Police to not prepare cops or utilize the national guard that was offered to him. Or Sund mentioning the number of police agents and informants in the crowd. D.C. officers encouraging people to enter the Capitol while on the crowd. Sund literally shows political actions to goad protestors to action in order to later prosecute for political purposes.

[CE]

And when we're all good soviet citizens, no one will dare complain, or they will lose their place in the bread line, right comrade?

[Mike Laursen]

Quite dramatic.

[mtrueman]

People complained in Soviet queues (sometimes tens of thousands in number) all the time. It was such a common occurrence that the NKVD routinely planted agents in these queues to collect information.

[JohnZ]

So forget the riots, the looting, arson that destroyed thousands of private businesses, where police cars were torched, public buildings destroyed and burned, where nearly $2 billion in damages to businesses and public property were either damaged or destroyed by a mob of rioter, looter and arsonists. Not to mention all those who were assaulted and even murdered by BLM and ANTIFA radical extremists.
Talk about unhinged violence, BLM and ANTIFA take the cake.

[Roberta]

Who's still in jail from the sit-ins in Congress 50+ years ago?

[Mike Laursen]

You’re comparing sit-ins to violently smashing their way into a special session of Congress?

[JohnZ]

The violence that took place for nearly two years while Black Lives Matter(fraud) and ANTIFA went on a violent and often murderous rampage across America, looting stores, damaging and burning businesses to the ground while ANTIFA attacked and assaulted anyone they could including police, setting fire to businesses and public buildings, how many of those who took part in two years of mayhem and destruction have been sentenced to such long prison terms? Many if not most of those businesses that were destroyed or burned down will not rebuild. Yet only very few have ever been sent to prison. But a few thousand people who peacefully gathered to protest and voice their opinions of what appears to be a rigged and corrupted election in a mostly peaceful protest where no fires were set, no businesses were looted, no cars set on fire, no churches were torched and no police were seriously injured, where very little damage actually occurred, where people who were not even present are being systematically persecuted for their political views are being given long prison sentences. Congratulations America, you just became a banana republic. freedom for the Proud Boys!
Incidentally, only a few months before that BLM and ANTIFA went on a rampage in downtown D.C. looting and burning businesses including a church across from the White House. How many people were injured in that violent rampage?

[mtrueman]

"Yet only very few have ever been sent to prison. "

Same could be said of those who participated in the failed insurrection of Jan. 6. Thousands took part but only a very small number are facing jail terms.

[Tony]

Someone else, somewhere, committed a crime, therefore I'm innocent.

I'll keep that in my back pocket for when my lawyer needs a laugh.

[Vampire]

The politicians should be thrown in jail for neglecting their oath and accepting a two tier system of justice resembling what the crown used against the colonists.

[Carter Mitchell]

The people who deserve to be in prison are the politicians, prosecutors, and judges involved in this farce.

[AT]

Can't it be both?

[aajax]

Part of me would not mind seeing the planners and the violent or threatening ones put away for life. Democracy doesn’t mean you have to play nice with such people.