Section 230 Is Safe (for Now) After Supreme Court Rules on Google and Twitter Terrorism Cases
Plus: A new lawsuit in Montana over the state's TikTok ban, the economic realities of online content creation, the rights of private companies, and more...

Advocates for free speech, an open internet, and sensible tech policy were anxiously awaiting the Supreme Court's decision in Gonzales v. Google, a case that gave the Court a chance to weigh in on a controversial law called Section 230. Now that ruling is here—and it's good news for civil libertarians concerned about Section 230's fate.
Sometimes described as "the internet's First Amendment," Section 230 protects "interactive computer services" from some liability for user speech. It has faced constant attacks in recent years from politicians and advocates on the left and on the right. Section 230 haters want to give individuals and states more ability to bring successful civil suits against tech companies for all sorts of harms allegedly caused by user content. Doing so would, of course, seriously weaken the incentives and protections for free speech online.
In Gonzales v. Google, the family of a young American woman killed in an Islamic State group attack in Paris argued that YouTube and its parent company, Google, were guilty of aiding and abetting terrorists because YouTube allowed the posting of Islamic State group videos and sometimes recommended them. Google argued that Section 230 immunizes it from such claims.
The case was being carefully watched by both supporters and opponents of Section 230.
The crux of the case concerned YouTube's use of algorithms to sometimes recommend Islamic State group videos to viewers who had watched similar content.
"On appeal to the Supreme Court, Gonzalez's family concedes that Section 230 means Google, which bans YouTube videos 'intended to praise, promote, or aid violent extremist or criminal organizations,' cannot be sued for failing to fully enforce that policy," noted Reason's Jacob Sullum. "But the plaintiffs argue that the company can be sued for pointing users to such videos when they view similar content, and the Biden administration agrees." If SCOTUS also concurred, "every provider of an 'interactive computer service' will have to worry about the legal risk of guiding users through a massive morass of material that would otherwise be unmanageable," pointed out Sullum.
On Thursday, the Supreme Court effectively sidestepped the issues of algorithms and Section 230 immunity in a narrow decision that only addressed the underlying claim that Google was guilty of violating Section 2333 of the federal Anti-Terrorism Act.
The Court also ruled yesterday in Twitter v. Taamneh, a similar case involving plaintiffs trying to hold Twitter liable for allegedly failing to adequately moderate Islamic State group content. In a unanimous ruling penned by Justice Clarence Thomas, the Court held that Twitter did not meet the necessary elements to be guilty of "aiding and abetting" terrorists. From the decision:
In this case, the failure to allege that the platforms here do more than transmit information by billions of people—most of whom use the platforms for interactions that once took place via mail, on the phone, or in public areas—is insufficient to state a claim that defendants knowingly gave substantial assistance and thereby aided and abetted ISIS' acts. A contrary conclusion would effectively hold any sort of communications provider liable for any sort of wrongdoing merely for knowing that the wrongdoers were using its services and failing to stop them. That would run roughshod over the typical limits on tort liability and unmoor aiding and abetting from culpability.
In a short per curiam decision, the Court also held that the Gonzalez family had failed to state an adequate Anti-Terrorism Act claim against Google. And since Google didn't commit an underlying violation, there was no need for the Court to address whether Section 230 applied here.
"It has become clear that plaintiffs' complaint—independent of §230—states little if any claim for relief," the Court's opinion says. "We therefore decline to address the application of §230 to a complaint that appears to state little, if any, plausible claim for relief. Instead, we vacate the judgment below and remand the case for the Ninth Circuit to consider plaintiffs' complaint in light of our decision in Twitter."
That doesn't mean Section 230 is safe from Supreme Court rulings that it doesn't apply to algorithmic recommendations, merely that the issue was avoided for now. With social media companies constantly in the hot seat these days, it's likely we'll see similar cases before the Supreme Court again in the future. And as Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson wrote in a short concurring opinion in Twitter v. Taamneh, "Other cases presenting different allegations and different records may lead to different conclusions."
But these decisions are perhaps encouraging in that they show "these justices grasp that online moderation is not an easy task," as Scott Shackford noted here yesterday.
FOLLOW-UP
TikTok creators sue over Montana ban. In yesterday's Roundup, we covered Montana's new statewide ban on TikTok, noting that it was sure to spawn some First Amendment lawsuits. The first of those is already here.
"We filed suit last night challenging Montana's unconstitutional ban of TikTok, on behalf of 5 TikTok creators," the law firm Davis Wright Tremaine announced yesterday. "Lead counsel is Ambika Kumar, who represented other creators in securing an injunction of President Trump's 2020 ban."
You can find their full complaint, filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Montana, here.
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When the brand is you…and the market shifts. "The relentless cycle of selling and repackaging the self not only creates a dizzying array of personas to uphold but also lays the foundation for an existential crisis when the demand for one's curated identity dwindles": Oliver Bateman at Unherd has an interesting essay about O.G. "mommy blogger" Heather Armstrong. Armstong—better known as "Dooce"—committed suicide last week. Bateman suggested that Dooce's shifting feelings about her work between the early '00s and more recent years reflects broader shifts in the economic realities of online content creation as a career and cultural enthusiasm around the possibilities of sharing one's life online:
Somewhere between introducing a guide to making money from nonstop mommy blogging and declaring mommy blogging dead, Armstrong came to recognise — or decided to admit — the negative impact her work was having on her mental health. In the foreword [to 2011's Mom Blogging for Dummies], she writes with a sense of pride, "I don't get to go on vacation." In The Valedictorian of Being Dead, she expressed her longing for an escape "the hamster wheel of my day-to-day existence":
"I knew I just couldn't do it anymore when I was trying to get my kids into the car to play a word game while driving to a ranch in the mountains. This would be the third of three posts I was to write for an automotive brand about quality time with my kids in the car … Marlo did not want to participate in yet another ruse, and I had to bribe and threaten and cajole to get her in that car. Right as she opened her door, she looked up at me through tears and begged, 'Please, Mom, don't make me do this.'"
Armstrong's transition from viewing her work as a fulfilling occupation to a trap reflects the paradoxical reality of life as a content creator: the same facts, framed differently as market conditions changed, transformed from a testament of her dedication to a cry for relief. But it also speaks to a universal experience of life lived in the digital age. Her journey — from a person who wrote about her life on the internet for fun to an entrepreneur supporting not only her family but also employees with her blog revenues — illustrates the tremendous opportunity of the dotcom boom. But it also reveals the precarity inherent in what was then a burgeoning marketplace of intimate stories that would, as one critic observed later, gradually evolve into a "personal-essay industrial complex".
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The post-liberal authoritarians of the New Right want you to forget that private companies also have rights. The latest example comes from Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio), who told an audience at Catholic University on Wednesday that "there is no meaningful distinction between the public and the private sector in the American regime."
Reason Senior Editor Stephanie Slade responds:
There are, of course, countless ways that the public sector—government—has its tentacles in private sector affairs. Through taxation and regulation; through the subsidies and targeted benefits that are a mainstay of the industrial policy that so many on the New Right want to double down on; and, yes, through insidious pressure campaigns like those uncovered through the Twitter and Facebook Files, state power is routinely brought to bear to nudge or compel private actors into doing what those holding the power want. Needless to say, we should be skeptical, if not hostile, toward all such efforts.
Interestingly, this does not appear to be what Vance is referring to. If anything, he's saying it's naive to focus on instances of state coercion. Instead, Vance seems upset that some business executives share the same "woke" values that government actors express. (They are, after all, highly educated fellow members of the professional managerial class!) And because they believe in radical environmentalism, trans-inclusive politics, and all the rest, according to Vance, these private sector leaders are all too happy to collaborate with lawmakers and federal bureaucrats to put those values into practice.
Vance here is channeling the neoreactionary blogger Curtis Yarvin, a.k.a. Mencius Moldbug, who has popularized the idea that "all the modern world's legitimate and prestigious intellectual institutions, even though they have no central organizational connection, behave in many ways as if they were a single organizational structure" with "one clear doctrine or perspective." He calls this decentralized entity "the Cathedral" and argues that the only way to combat it is by replacing America's liberal democratic regime with an absolute monarchy or (benevolent, one hopes) dictatorship.
But Vance goes further even than Yarvin, who defines the Cathedral as consisting of the mainstream media and the universities; Vance insists that government officials are also implicated. This step is critical, because the New Right, rejecting the classical liberal commitment to limited government and rule of law, openly calls on conservatives to wield state power against their domestic political "enemies," among whom it counts lefty corporations, universities, and nonprofits….
This is obviously contrary to the laws of our land. The American constitutional system "protects private actors," says Notre Dame law professor Richard W. Garnett, while constraining how government officials can exercise their power. "Private actors have free speech rights. The government doesn't. Private actors have freedom of religion. Government doesn't. Private schools can train kids for their sacraments. Government schools can't. The whole landscape of our constitutionally protected freedoms depends on this conceptual distinction between state power and the nonstate sphere."
But that distinction is an obstacle preventing post-liberals such as Vance from using the government to punish private entities who express views or implement policies that they, the post-liberals, dislike. And so, to give themselves permission to do what they want, they have to get people to believe that the distinction is already obsolete.
It's not.
Read the rest here.
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WHO'S WITH ME?
By fix do you mean return to libertarian ideals by the writers?
Hold on Slick, let's not get too crazy here.
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Also, "Service" is what the bull does to the dairy cow.
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But then who would you claim to mute?
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almost like collegial ribbing
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Cite?
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KBJ makes brilliant, novel observation:
"Other cases presenting different allegations and different records may lead to different conclusions."
Thanks, token.
...Section 230 protects "interactive computer services" from some liability for user speech.
This is one of those things that I'm against on principle but nonetheless is probably beneficial.
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your silencing as probably beneficial.
Edit: 🙂
https://twitter.com/empathyhaver/status/1659394074481139713?t=6FZZM_gzO5_rOQwTs0Uzdw&s=19
It's really fucking crazy that someone like brother tariq here can straight up libel someone as a "white supremacist," which is maybe the most socially and financially damaging label that can be attached to someone, and face ZERO legal or professional consequences
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"Mayo Babbling" ? lol
Black Supremacists' inability to come up with any sort of effective derogatory word for white people is always hilarious to see. Even more hilarious when you think about that fact that one word can sent them into a mindless rage spiral. No such word exists for white people.
Ya, I dont think they realize how much people like Mayo. Im not the biggest fan myself, but I know way too many people who put that shit on everything.
I call my kids little crackers because I think its cute and adorable.
They really do need to up their game.
There was an awesome movie in the early 00s (probably the least racist period of time that ever existed, when race relations had become quarky and fuel for comedy) - Undercover Brother.
Movie was hilarious. A key point of Undercover Brother's transition to Oreo was he had to learn to eat mayo. He couldn't do it, even with the secret hot sauce dispenser hidden in his watch. The way they showed he was in too deep, thanks to White She Devil's (Denise Richards) seduction was when he ate a sandwich slathered in mayo.
Apparently, black people really hate mayo.
That movie was hilarious. NPH (America’s sweetheart) was brilliant as Lance, the diversity hire. There is a sequel now that’s a huge woke unfunny pile of shit.
Avoid the sequel at all costs!
I'm partial to "Peckerwood".
That's what she said.
Black Supremacists’ inability to come up with any sort of effective derogatory word for white people is always hilarious to see.
Cut him some slack, it's not like there's a whole list that you can easily look up or anything.
Wait, 'Hoser' only applies to wy pepo?
and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nigger
Seriously? In this day and age, have some compassion. The correct term is wegro.
"Wafrican American"?
beginning to sound very Fuddian
“People of no color”?
wigger, nerd
Take off, eh!
And here I thought "hoser" was just Canadian slang for a stupid person.
ALL Canadians are wy pepo, just ask my First Nations friends the Denu.
To suggest otherwise is Wascist!
That list didn’t include Racist so I declare it incomplete.
Massah?
An oldie but goodie.
SRG seems to think “cracker” is pretty devastating, but it’s just part of his scripted virtue signaling.
Plus, he’s a moron.
Yes, Pantomime Shrike is a total moron.
I heard "chalk demon" one time. Kinda love it
That's a winner!
The feature, not a bug.
I'm loving that "Readers added context..." feature on Twitter now. IIRC, that's a new thing Elon instituted. This might be my favorite one I've seen so far though.
"Tariq Nasheed's claim that she is a "suspected white supremacist" is baseless. Nasheed frequently calls people with whom he disagrees suspected white supremacists.'"
Damn...
TikTok creators sue over Montana ban.
12 Tiktok Dances You Can Do To Save Montana
Only 12? Wilson Pickett did 1000, damn kids today are lazy - I blame Tiktok.
Ackshually, “Land of 1000 Dances” only mentions 16 dances:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_a_Thousand_Dances#:~:text=The%20original%20Chris%20Kenner%20recording,the%20Fish%2C%20and%20the%20Popeye.
"the Pony, the Chicken, the Mashed Potato, the Alligator, the Watusi, the Twist, the Fly, the Jerk, the Tango, the Yo-Yo, the Sweet Pea, the Hand Jive, the Slop, the Bop, the Fish, and the Popeye"
Boring
Still more than 12, Mike.
How many involve nurses and teachers?
How many involve a stripper pole?
Or Busty Cops.
In a perfect world, ALL dances to save involve professional women.
The ultimate is nurses, teachers, busty cops, and at least one librarian who takes off her glasses and pulls the bun out of her hair to become a saucy, nerdy sexpot.
My take on humanity might be slightly skewed by porn and Van Halen videos, though.
When the brand is you…and the market shifts.
This is directed at me, isn't it?
Don't turn your hobbies into a job.
Consider retirement as an alternative to suicide.
I don't care enough to read the whole long-form article about "Dooce", but I wonder if she felt compelled to keep blogging because of debts.
It does say she was raking in about a million a year. Maybe she should have pivoted to writing about investing.
You literally brag about not watching videos or reading primary documents....
For a guy who's always demanding cites, Mike sure hates them when he gets them.
Not surprising. Most of his persona involves exalting his personal ignorance. Which enables him to embrace homogeneously discredited positions and ideas.
That’s because Mike is an asshole.
Back in the day, my wife and I used to watch what we thought at first were two silly, cute reality shows: "Jon& Kate Plus Eight" and "Little People, Big World".
But both shows kept getting creepier and creepier. It kept becoming clearer that Kate was a total bitch who was becoming addicted to the fame and money, and using her husband and kids more and more. She'd keep disrespecting her husband on camera, and every time it would pan over to the quiet, hurt look on his face, which she wouldn't notice. A couple seasons in, and there was a nasty, public divorce.
On the other show, the married couple had some problems that probably could have been worked out if they remained private, but every little spat was magnified by being on TV. They ended up divorced, too.
Opening up your marriage and your kids to regular public scrutiny probably ain't the best idea in the world.
Mike watches chick shows. Figures.
He is a simp in all aspects of his life. His wife likely picks put his clothes too.
But which one decides on the size of her strap on?
I'm sure it didn't help. But I suspect people who are willing to do that to themselves and their families probably would have found some other way to fuck up their marriages.
She's a proggie hick lib she made the right decision
The good news is you don't even use your real name, so you can just re-appear with a new persona.
How will mikes allies dox you without a real name??
I worked too hard at building a brand around this name.
OK, but please don't commit suicide over it when you stop raking in the big bucks from the comments you post here.
That’s you guys. We’re just here for the yucks.
Like you have, oh White Knight?
"it was sure to spawn some First Amendment lawsuits. The first of those is already here."
The funny thing about sand castles is that you can't keep back the tide. Those waves will come.
"it wasn't only society's warped focus on women's biology that hampered progress towards educational equality but also, more specifically, society's obsession with female 'purity,'"
Dont worry, we have moved far past that. Now we ruin everyone's life prospects by indoctrinating them with gender studies nonsense that boys and girls are totes the same thing, and there is literally no difference in their capabilities, but also, gender is a construct and doesnt matter, but also, if your kid doesn't fit into one of the two dated (and incorrect?) societal constructs they are clearly the wrong gender and must be pumped full of hormones to match the other societally constructed gender.
Yes, with these new guidelines, we can insure that all students grow up equally mentally ill and unable to face any significant challenges in life, as they will be to psychologically debilitated to wipe their own ass
Propaganda and censorship are critical to woke.
Woke is, literally, interpreting all sensory information through a lens of psychotic fantasy rather than innate logic.
It’s an unnatural perspective that must be forced upon the human mind and reinforced with constant conditioning in the paradigm.
It is an incredibly unstable world view, because it relies on both internal and external contradictions, thus must be shielded from all information unconstrained by its rules.
It is a totalitarian ideology, and totalitarianism connects all within its domain.
No, no, no, no, no!
You must accept two core ideas:
1. Women are exactly the same if not better than men in every way.
2. Women are fragile victims that must be protected in every context.
And if you think these contradict, then you are nothing but a patriarchal racist.
2. Women are fragile victims that must be protected in every context.
Unless a white woman tries to stop a young Black Kang from stealing the rental bike she's already paid for. Then she's a white supremacist, no better than a Klansman burning a cross. In fact, not just giving the Black Kang the bike is literally the same thing as lynching him.
Nothing says "Libertarian!" like endorsing collective viewpoints of "Society". "Society" is chock full of women acting in sexually provocative ways, and is full of tropes of the "slutty girls". How does that fit with a society that is obsessed with "purity"? It doesn't. The fact is that Society is diverse and you can find millions upon millions of people obsessed about different things. They are all examples of "society" being whatever stone a pundit needs their axe ground against.
The Naked Feminism article this week was equally full of that nonsense- For example, in this week's article, the author said: "I say with certainty that anyone...will be turned on by her dressed in her "smart suit" from her censored YouTube ad, as it underlines her intellectual authority—otherwise known as the librarian trope—and her status as a person who is not an adult worker, therefore not consenting to sexualization."
Unpack that for a second. The notion that "consenting to sexualization" is anything close to a libertarian concept is ridiculous. We don't need someone's consent to have thoughts- sexual or otherwise- about them.
But beyond that, there is no evidence that "society" believes sexy "smart suits" are hot merely because men think the woman doesn't WANT to be sexualized. There are libraries of Fem Dominant kinks where women dress "smart" to play the role of an Authority...not because men are excited to sexualize them without consent, but because they are excited by a woman bossing them around.
This is yet another example of Libertarians assuming that just any counter-culture trend is a libertarian issue. It is unfortunate that the magazine has drifted so far from basic principals to but such anti-intellectual hogwash in its (virtual) pages.
Unpack that for a second. The notion that “consenting to sexualization” is anything close to a libertarian concept is ridiculous. We don’t need someone’s consent to have thoughts- sexual or otherwise- about them.
Yep, and that's the Chinese finger trap that the modern "sex positive" feminism tries to create for us, and we're not falling for it.
"Society oppresses me by not allowing me to run around naked"
*participates in slut walk*
"But if you leer at my ankles or think one sexual thought about me, that's proof of our violent, rapey, patriarchal culture."
What is with this obsessive commenting on "slut walks" and women walking with "swivel hips"? And several comments about how such women reject women/men that do things like asking them out for coffee in an elevator or looking at them? Seems to be coming from an awfullly personal place.
Ctrl-F "Slut Walk"
Hmmm....No obsessive commenting. Just one statement in an example. Maybe the person who is obsessed is Mike. Or he is full of shit. Or both.
For the benefit of the thread, let us note that Mike has nothing to actually say about the criticism DRP is making. All Mike is doing is trying to insinuate bad intent. And yet he will always be in these comments lamenting about how people are mean and argue in bad faith.
>will be turned on by her dressed in her “smart suit”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85zV1fpSJQ0
For fuck’s sake, can’t feminists come up with a new trope? The whole “don’t show cleavage down to your navel and get mad at me for seeing it” thing has been a staple since the days of people standing up in front of a brick wall telling jokes.
Whatever. I live in an expensive beach town and the quality of trophy girlfriend walking around, combined with the lack of clothing in the summertime, is staggering. Through this, my only real internal conflict when I see one of these ladies in her minimalist attire is whether I should just enjoy the view or thank her for her contributions to mankind.
I’m a good, sweet natured, respectful man. But I love me some flash of sexy, sexy ankles.
we should be reflexively saying 'thank you for your service' like they do with firefighters, police, and above all the armed forces
the initial puzzled look would be priceless - but i think after a day on the beach of getting feted that way might teach the non-blondes what was going on.
While I agree that there is gender theory indoctrination going on, it is an exaggeration to say it is "ruin[ing] everyone's life prospects".
First of all the indoctrination is not ubiquitous. Indoctrination, along with teen social trendiness primarily among girls, is concentrated in progressive/liberal areas. Second, indoctrination often fails, and even spurs dissent.
For an example, look at how well D.A.R.E. worked to convince kids of the evils of drugs. Teenagers can be gullible but many of them can spot indoctrination a mile away.
The Liarson Maneuver- "Well, technically not *everyone*'s life prospects are being ruined."
Ok fine. Everyone isn't having their life ruined. But the indoctrination is happening, and it isn't just in liberal enclaves. In large cities that still lean right, kids are being fed this stuff. Libs of TikTok have shown activist teachers around the country- not just Blue Bubbles- talking about how they push this stuff. It isn't isolated.
with these new guidelines, we can insure that all students grow up equally mentally ill
As long as they're all equal. Equity, for the win!
You’re part of the problem. Instead of supporting these de Croats assholes, why don’t you try pushing back against democrat hegemony and embrace freedom.
It’s a lot better over here.
The latest example comes from Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio), who told an audience at Catholic University on Wednesday that "there is no meaningful distinction between the public and the private sector in the American regime."
It may be an exaggeration but it is definitely the vibe that those on the outside are getting. And it's beyond lobbying legislators and revolving door corporate/cabinet bullshit. But if the proposed prescription to cure this is more government, then, yes, libertarians should complain about that.
No, instead they made up a bunch of bullshit he didn’t say and then attacked the words of someone else and attributed them to him. Typical Reasonista stuff. Go hard after Republicans, ignore Fascist Democrats (still not a single word on the Biden scandals)
20 LLCs to laundering money is free speech.
Vance is also quoted as saying: "Why don't we seize the assets...tax their assets, and give it to the people who've had their lives destroyed by their radical open borders agenda?"
That is hardly a merely descriptive remark.
You stated this yesterday, were then given the full quote, yet you persist. Weird where you chose to cut it off. That line is in direct ideation of the left already doing those things and is a warning shot as to why it is bad. Referencing the NGOs people like your God Soros use to influence government actors.
you should hashtag your comments with
#ReasonCommunity Notes
or something.....
btw - thankyou for your service 😉
Right. Think back 4 or 5 years ago when everyone (myself included) felt that it was just liberals being insufferable liberals at these tech companies. We know now that in fact, there was far, far more government direction going on.
Does Reason need to wait another 4 or 5 years for someone else to blow the whistle before they show the slightest skepticism that the recent and sudden mass stampede of corporations to Woke issues might possibly have government puppeteers behind the scenes?
there is also a current theory that Blackrock and Vanguard pressure may be behind this phenom
See there, you’re going off brand already. There’s plenty of seriousness going around, just be you and it’ll all be fine. Or not. Whatever.
I'm funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you?
The post-liberal authoritarians of the New Right want you to forget that private companies also have rights.
After all we've seen with the Twitter files, Vaccine mandate pressuring, Backpage.com, DEI pressure from the CVA we get this.
TeenReason is the parody magazine of PaleoReason.
its funny how often "authoritarians" is thrown around here when it involves the right, and how it rarely, if ever seems to surface when it involves the left's open and blatant, daily authoritarianism.
"Reason is totes unbiased" - resident lefties
Ken had it right before he lost his mind. His words were that Republicans are “mere” authoritarians while the left is a bunch of totalitarians. When I pointed out that his demanding for support for Republicans while calling them authoritarian amounted to demanding support for authoritarians he freaked out. I think his brain broke when he realized he was cheering for authoritarians.
Good ole ken
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I pointed out that not every slight is an ad hominem. In fact that has a very specific definition. Showed him up. He go so embarrassed that he muted me.
Sarc thinks he can outsmart Ken. Funny.
The thread is pretty good with Kens responses.
https://reason.com/2021/07/15/drug-war-pandemic-likely-reasons-for-spike-in-u-s-overdose-deaths/?comments=true#comment-8995895
Sarc has been pulling this act for years.
Over the last 5 years, Authoritarianism is solely an artifact of the Left, at least among the populace. In poll after poll, it is Democrat voters who display a streak of Authoritarianism that independents and Republicans do not display.
* 65% of Democrats believing that the government ought to combat misinformation *even if* that means infringing freedom of information.
* 78% of those people have favorable views of the FBI- 69% favorably view the IRS.
* 55% of Democrats believed it was appropriate to fine people who decline to vaccinate (Compared to 19% of GOP, 25% of Independents)
* 59% (!!!) Democrats support HOUSE ARREST for people refusing to vaccinate. That’s more than supported a FINE, for gods sake! (21% GOP, 29% Independent)
* 48% of Democrats support fining or imprisoning people for “misinformation” regarding COVID-19.
* 51% of Biden Supporters support putting the unvaccinated in “Designated Facilities” if they refuse to vaccinate.
There is no doubt that the threat to our freedoms is coming from the left. Are Republicans perfect? No. Should we blindly support them? No. But they are not the proximate problem.
They even applauded Australian covid camps even arresting people who were not infected.
Take your partisan blinders off dude. Republicans are all about using the authority of the state to get things done. They love to control businesses and people, and have everyone be answerable to the state at all times. The progressive left is totalitarian. They really believe that freedom means asking permission and obeying orders, and want every nuance of life regulated by experts. When they argue it's rarely over freedom, but over what to control and how to control it. Are the left worse? Is totalitarianism worse than authoritarianism? Yes. But that doesn't make authoritarianism good or make Republicans any less authoritarian.
Covid, ESG, DEI, New Green Deal, censorship, Operation Chokepoint, J6 prosecutions of non violent protestors, FACE act against pro life protestors, investigations into school parents, raiding media like PV, revolving door woth corporate boards, NGOs funded by government, coordinated settle and sue, appliance regulations…
Can you list the acts by the GOP?
Can you list the acts by the GOP?
That would require arguing in good faith.
My guess is cutting off 11 year old dicks trumps the list.
Id like to see a response to this from Mike and Sarc^.
Please hit me with the lengthy list of the right's offenses.
Ill do "abortion" for you. What else you guys got?
Fifty-eight percent of U.S. adults said abortion should not be legal when the fetus is older than 20 weeks, while 30% said it should be allowed.
Gop only makes up 30% of the population.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-abortion-poll/support-for-abortion-rights-grows-as-some-us-states-curb-access-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKCN1SW0CD
Notice both Overt and I gave a specific answer to authoritarianism yet sarc can only give a biased and vague opinion.
I don't respond to the master baiter.
Because you have no answer. You'd also be responding to Parsons, not me.
You'll have to repeat whatever JesseAz said. I have him perma-muted.
The comments would be unreadable if not for the mute function. If I still had to sift through all the bullshit that the trolls leave on all my posts it just wouldn't be worth the time. Which is of course exactly why they do it.
I'm busy, and already spend too much time here. I try to limit myself to commenting on only two or three of the stories each day. It is a huge win to be able to mute all the negative, content-free commenters.
"Yes, R Mac, 'Cah cah'. I get it. Say something interesting for once."
My problem is self control. I would get sucked into defending myself against the constant lies that JesseAz and others post about me. With muting, I'm able to get over that self control hump.
My problem is self control. I would get sucked into defending myself against the constant lies that JesseAz and others post about me. With muting, I’m able to get over that self control hump.
Ditto. That's why I call them "master baiters." Their goal is to suck you into defending yourself from their lies. They know that they are dishonest. Everyone does. Yet no one will call them out on it because they're all in the same political tribe. We're not which makes us fair game.
“Yes, R Mac, ‘Cah cah’. I get it. Say something interesting for once.”
My favorite display of abject stupidity is when they say "Ideas!" and think they're being profound. You know the quote. Great minds discuss ideas, mediocre minds discuss events, while small minds discuss people. These guys are so amazingly unintelligent that they believe the quote has a bunch of invisible only's in there, when there's really just one near the end. And it describes them.
Instead they are unreadable due to cries of victimhood by the leftists.
I’m busy, and already spend too much time here.
Bitch, you ain't that busy if you're dropping over a dozen comments here a day.
Huh? Scrolling past posts that you don’t want to see is not hard. I don’t even mute the retarded squirrel.
Anyway, sounds like a victimhood narrative you got going on there. Laursen can help you with that. He’s an expert on those.
What often happens when I ask for Mike Parsons or someone to repeat what someone like JesseAz said is that they don't provide the information until much later in the day.
You've chosen ignorance. Why do you depend on others to not be ignorant?
Because we are ACTUALLY busy…
"Take your partisan blinders off dude. Republicans are all about using the authority of the state to get things done. "
Read what I wrote: "Are Republicans perfect? No. Should we blindly support them? No. But they are not the proximate problem."
They're still authoritarians, and I will not support authoritarians. Or totalitarians.
List out the examples behind your bald assertions. I already posted your belief the left is more pro liberty above lol.
How is the GOP even near DNC authoritarianism. Defend your assertions dumdum.
How?
How are they authoritarians?
We've provided you with thousands of examples of Democratic Party authoritarianism, but you have yet to provide any examples on your end.
Take off your tribal blinders, dude.
JD Vance was not pushing an authoritarian message. He was pointing out an actual authoritarian trend. So sitting there and bitching about what he might actually believe doesn't actually change the fact that what he says is true.
You want to know why so many people are coming to support JD Vance? Because he is one of the few people who is acknowledging the actual, real, in-progress, fascist, metamorphosis of the american private sector. And when people who should know better, like libertarians, spend more time attacking him than the actual, real, in-progress, fascist, metamorphosis of the american private sector, those people conclude that Vance is the only person who is going to do something about it.
JD Vance was not pushing an authoritarian message ... Vance is the only person who is going to do something about it.
Vance and his supporters aren't pushing an authoritarian message other than using the authority of government against private sector actors who are pushing messages that they don't like.
Ummmmmm....
Full retard signal.
"Vance and his supporters aren’t pushing an authoritarian message other than using the authority of government against private sector actors who are pushing messages that they don’t like."
Which isn't what is happening, nor what I said. Vance's quote did not suggest "using the authority of the government" to do anything. It was specifically calling out the Authoritarianism in progress on the left.
If you *are* worried that Vance will be an authoritarian if people elect him to power, maybe you should acknowledge the message he made and offer a solution. Because most people who care about the current government's authoritarianism see Vance acknowledging their fears, and everyone else- including you and Reason- screaming "Don't listen to Vance, he is the REAL problem we should be discussing." Those people are going to go with Vance.
They’re still authoritarians, and I will not support authoritarians. Or totalitarians.
Why are you a Democrat shill then?
Dude there's no coherent difference in principle between the two teams. At one point Goldwater criticized Kennedy for increasing spending while cutting taxes. Now that's Republicanism 101. It's as if the teams just grab issues out of a hat and then act as if they always supported whatever they picked, and always opposed whatever the other side happened to grab.
Goldwater criticized Kennedy for increasing spending while cutting taxes. Now that’s Republicanism 101.
That is Libertarianism 101. You are clueless.
"Dude there’s no coherent difference in principle between the two teams"
Like there is tons of counter examples to this. The stats I noted up top are perfect examples.
By and large republicans feel americans should be free to choose whether they want to vaccinate. Democrats overwhelmingly disagree. By and large, republicans and independents feel the government has no place deciding what is disinformation, or countering it. Democrats overwhelmingly disagree.
The differences are stark. Again, this is not to say that Republicans are blameless or pure as the driven, libertarian snow. But *the* threat to america right now is not JD Vance. It is the executive in office writing EOs, the alphabet soup of agencies that have been caught red-handed directing the private sector, the senate that supports them, and the millions of people who agree the government has a role to do this.
Because, in case you haven't noticed, every single ACTUAL unlibertarian thing pushed by the government in the recent history other than tariffs and immigration (during the trump admin) has been not been pushed by JD Vance or his like- it has been pushed by the overwhelmingly, unabashedly Authoritarian Democratic Party.
Dude there’s no coherent difference in principle between the two teams.
I think people like you or me have a fundamentally different way of evaluating the big political teams than people like Mike Parsons.
I don't know what JesseAz said above, but from Mike Parsons' comment it sounds like Parsons is challenging us to make a list of all the bad things Republicans have done which they will compare against their list of all the bad things Democrats have done. Then some kind of score will be assigned, at which point one should conclude which team to support.
People like you and me, and others who seem to annoy them and to get called "lefty" a lot, evalute the big political teams by holding them up to a minimum level of libertarianism we require before we will support either of them.
I suppose the first approach makes sense if you live in a swing state where your vote matters. Even then, it doesn't explain throwing your support to the lesser of two evils with enthusiasm.
It doesn't make sense for any state I have ever lived in, either blue or red. My vote didn't matter, so there has never been a reason to sell out my principles by giving my support to either major party.
I concur.
You concur with 5 paragraphs with no actual argument?
So you've got nothing, is what you're saying
Sure, my brother Mike. Did you not see my comment above:
https://reason.com/2023/05/19/section-230-is-safe-for-now-after-supreme-court-rules-on-google-and-twitter-terrorism-cases/?comments=true#comment-10070650
How can I come up with something when I don't know what I am being asked to come up with?
Maybe if you didn't mute people like a bitch, you'd know.
He knows. Upthread he already stated he knows exactly what was asked for, and has seen my comments where I restated what was asked for as well.
Mike Parsons 2 hours ago
Id like to see a response to this from Mike and Sarc^.
Please hit me with the lengthy list of the right’s offenses.
"Parsons is challenging us to make a list of all the bad things Republicans have done which they will compare against their list of all the bad things Democrats have done."
Followed by:
"How can I come up with something when I don’t know what I am being asked to come up with?"
Upthread he already stated he knows exactly what was asked for, and has seen my comments where I restated what was asked for as well.
I guessed from what little context I had. Is this confirmation I guessed correctly?
And where is this comment where you restated JesseAz’s comment? Did you forget to hit “Submit” on it or something?
Are you illiterate?
I like how you left “it sounds like” off when you quoted me. Providing that context would show that I was guessing.
I didn’t know and I still don’t know the entire context of the debate you want me to participate in: please restate whatever JesseAz said so I have full context.
You know, there’s an easy way to find out “the entire context of the debate” if you like. Or you can just ask parsons to relay messages to you while bitching that you don’t have time for this.
Anyway, sounds like you got a real victimhood narrative going on there, laursen.
People like you and me, and others who seem to annoy them and to get called “lefty” a lot, evalute the big political teams by holding them up to a minimum level of libertarianism we require before we will support either of them.
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Lefty authoritarian knob-slobber claims to be Libertarian. You and sarc are batshit crazy.
People like you are a sad reminder that half the people out there are of below average intelligence.
How precious. You still think you aren’t in the lower half. Lol.
Less than half of Americans will end up homeless. Yet you managed.
So nothing of substance to say. Just insults. Thank you for playing.
I mean you and sarc have given zero actual arguments in this thread so far. A lot of name calling. Bragging about being ignorant. Bald assertions.
So sarc and Mike still can't list all thr obvious authoritarianism coming from the right in comparison to the left.
Amazing. Bald assertions are liberty.
your vote doesnt matter if you want it to express [virtue signal?] pure libertarian philosophy
That’s not what politics and elections are about. they are about policy and policy consequences and in this way it does make sense to signal which is the lesser of two evils because the consequences follow the election whether you vote or not.
When i think about it – I think that makes sense if you are really a one or two issue voter [like abortion above all] … then it wont matter how evil one side is so long as your ‘principles’ are satisfied.
But I get the impression your naïve – “I wont vote for evil no matter how much less” Is acceptable to you because you prefer that the greater evil side is in power and this position lets you off the hook.
"51% of Biden Supporters support putting the unvaccinated in “Designated Facilities” if they refuse to vaccinate."
Sounds like a good place to...concentrate on their wrongdoings.
I think his brain broke when he realized he was cheering for authoritarians.
I'm trying to recall, though, what he said shortly before he disappeared. I vaguely recall him saying that he had to go out of town to deal with some family or business matters, and maybe something about getting involved in the Georgia runoff election.
Remember folks, how Mike felt it was his duty to troll Ken every day?
Mike Laursen
September.18.2021 at 11:38 am
SQRLSY, can you cover for me today? In a typical day, I usually:
– post a comment or two pointing out logical flaws, contradictions and partisanship in Ken’s essays, which he regards as examples of flawless logical thinking
– post a comment or two pointing out that Ashli Babbitt was not a saint and the January 6th MAGA rioters were violent
– post one “Fuck Tulpa!” comment
– post a comment or two that actually seriously discuss a topic. Everyone once in a while I’m lucky and someone responds in serious conversation, but most of the time I just get met with a bunch of grayed-out insults from JesseAz and the other Trump Mean Girls.
Do you actually work for the Ministry of Truth? You are just going to reinvent history right in front of us?
What's up, Chuck?
When are ye gonna FIX these problems for us? Maybe your magic underwear could help you in that effort!
Yeah, it's becoming increasingly obvious that sarcasmic/Sqrlsy was KAR.
Yeah, it’s becoming increasingly obvious that Mammary-Fuhrer thinks that Magic Theological Beliefs can SAVE Her from Her Own Perfectly Evil Thoughts and Deeds! Along with Her Perfectly Magically Fashionable Purse, Hairstyle, and Whorestyle.
(I don't know if She has ever tried Perfectly Magical Underwear, or not, next to Her Perfect Twat!)
LOL! No petty little shitposter ever fazed Ken. You are a distraction at best.
https://reason.com/2023/05/18/montana-sets-itself-up-for-first-amendment-lawsuits-with-tiktok-ban/?comments=true#comment-10068817
Again, for the TL;DR crowd: “Are you beginning to see that this conversation really is about ideas and how your ridiculous shitposting derails the conversations you pollute with your fallacious nonsense?”
Remember when Ken muted Sarcasmic and Sarc lost it?
Posted it above =)
Yes. Which is why his post above is a complete fabrication. Maybe he thinks that Ken was still reading his shitposts because Ken never published a list?
"Remember when Ken muted Sarcasmic and Sarc lost it?"
Says the shit-poster who has been busted for ID theft! But we can FOR SURE trust Mammary-Fuhrer THIS time!
Parodying your demented ass isn't "identity theft" no matter how you twist it.
Anyway, you twisted old hypocrite, was this identity theft?:
SQRLSY One
December.2.2020 at 7:09 pm
Bimbosday, 43 Bimbobember 2020 at 6:66 PM
I lust after being abused by power-mad politicians, because I am power-mad myself! And I suffer under the utterly stupid illusion that power-mad politicians will feed me, like a doggy under the table, a wee few, tiny scraps of their vast powers.
Under MY own posting-name, ye Perfect Liar and Servant and Serpent of the Evil One!
In https://reason.com/2021/03/21/why-we-still-shouldnt-censor-misinformation/#comment-8818090 Mamma fesses to her being an identity-thief and sock!
chemjeff radical individualist
March.21.2021 at 4:27 pm
Uh oh, I think you left your sock on.
Reply
1. SQRLSY 0ne
March.21.2021 at 5:06 pm
Yeah, sigh.
Hey MammaryBahnFuhrer, Expert Christian Theologian! Did Jesus appear to You in a vision, and tell You that ID theft is a GREAT, wonderful thing? Or ARE You Jesus, returned to us, maybe? Are You necrophiliac-Jesus, push-people-to-suicide Jesus?
No, but Mohammed, Zoroaster and Buddha told me you should.
Everyone should mute sarcasmic. He's such an attention whore he'd gnaw his arms off just so people would look at him.
Reason is biased. They're biased towards liberty. That means that the left hates them and calls them conservatives for their support for economic liberty, and the right hates them and calls them leftists for their support for personal liberty. The hatred for liberty is strong in the teams.
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That means that libertarians now have more in common with the left than with the right. Not because libertarians have drifted left. Rather its because the conservative right has abandoned support for liberty in general.
But don't call him a leftist.
Reason is biased towards certain liberties. If you are mandating a specific Reading curriculum, they are for it. If you are mandating that the unvaccinated can't be excluded from school, you are to be criticized.
Reason is biased. They’re biased towards liberty
As long as the data supports it.
Oh, and one of Reason's major writers said publicly that he'd step over Liberty's unconscious body in the street if reaching a hand out to it "made him look like a Republican".
The general tone and shift of Reason's positions has been a little too much, "We're for free minds and free markets... as long as it doesn't make us look like a Republican!" over the last 10 years.
As a result people who see the entire world as being comprised of Republicans and leftists conclude that Reason and anyone else who doesn't think Republicans are dreamy must be a leftist.
that’s not a refutation
Can we assume then that you agree with his statement?
Who said it? Can you link to it?
In case you aren't aware, you often do this thing where you are coy about actually sharing what you have to say.
"one of Reason's major writers". Why don't you just give the person's name. They have a name, don't they?
You may sit there with a smug smile on your face like you've said something impressive, but the rest of us, who don't have a database of Reason grievances, don't know who or what you are referring to.
And don't say I should google it. You haven't given enough information to go on.
Maybe because we all know who said it, yes even you.
Yawn. There are plenty of Reason articles criticizing the Biden Administration and the left in general for their overreach in using government authority.
I haven't counted the number of times "authoritarian" has been used in Reason articles to refer to the right or left. And I highly doubt you've kept a count, either. Which means your "count" is rooted in your feelz.
And in each one neither you nor sarc actually criticize Biden. And in a large majority of those articles reason feels compelled to include some criticism of the GOP. The same is not true the other way. A perfect example here is Veroniqyes criticism of cutting spending during the debt ceiling as not being perfect while ignoring the left wanting to increase spending even more. Or the criticism yesterday of Vance. But yet we have articles against Biden bringing up conservatives as just as bad all the time.
And we get on average 4 or 5 articles against every single claim of illegality against Trump yet crickets against the Biden LLCs.
"Yawn"
Mike's tell that, far from being bored, he's actually quivering with rage, and will proceed to write six angry lines of protest.
I haven’t counted the number of times “authoritarian” has been used in Reason articles to refer to the right or left. And I highly doubt you’ve kept a count, either. Which means your “count” is rooted in your feelz.
In other words, Mike hasn't done any research, therefore his opponent MUST not have done his research, so Mike's conclusion is his opponent's opinion is based on feelings.
Jesus, you are a disingenuous prick.
Burden of proof isn't on me.
By definition, I was not being disingenuous, since I stated right up front that I don't know. So, you can apologize any time now for calling me disingenuous.
I won't ask for an apology for calling me a prick. Just more evidence that you are a rude, hate-filled person.
They use words like "disingenuous" or "fallacious" to score points with the team. They don't need to use the words accurately. Just with lots of hatred and raw emotion. The meaner they are the more points they score.
No. They use adjectives that are accurate and you can't deal. Lol.
They use words like “disingenuous” or “fallacious” to score points with the team. They don’t need to use the words accurately. Just with lots of hatred and raw emotion
Personally, I use those words dispassionately and only when I can offer proof. I purposefully don't throw them about frivolously. I have no control over when you fail or decline to defend yourself when they are used. Most readers of the comments probably don't need my commentary to identify specious arguments, but I persist because it educates those unfamiliar with your history as to why you and your "true libertarians" are the subject of so much scorn.
I passionately use the words "shitposter", "pants-shitter", "shitweasel" and "mendacious twat". That's how you can tell when I am fed up with the dissembling, deflecting and distracting.
"So, you can apologize any time now for calling me disingenuous."
I think if you looked deep down...or like even just a little bit down, you would admit that most of your arguments are disingenuous. Dont get all sanctimonious and offended.
Nope. Because they are not disingenuous. When asked to back up my assertions, I gladly supply cites. I often supply them before I am asked.
When it is merely my opinion, I freely admit it.
When I am shown to be wrong, which happens, I apologize and admit it. I don't like doing so, but I do.
Cite?
I mean your cite example above was you citing a prior idiotic non argument from yourself.
Hahahahahahahahaha
The people who claim Reason never criticizes Democrats don't read or comment on articles critical of Biden and his policies. So in their minds they're telling the truth. They never saw Reason say anything about Biden because they never read it, and they certainly didn't comment on it.
Who has claimed they never do sarc? That is a strawman. They have said there is an open bias. But youre afraid to admit that so you fabricate a strawman.
And we know this because in every Biden thread there are comments in it regarding the people you make this claim towards. You know what isnt in the comments? You ever criticizing or agreeing with said criticism of the article.
Maybe you could rant some more about other people, putting words in their mouths and never answering a fucking question or providing a stitch of evidence in support of your accusations.
Meanwhile, I will just continue to post links to threads where you do exactly that and then run away like a pathetic little bitch instead of arguing in good faith.
https://reason.com/2023/05/18/montana-sets-itself-up-for-first-amendment-lawsuits-with-tiktok-ban/?comments=true#comment-10068901
If I write a comment on an apolitical topic, like my comment on “Jon & Kate Plus 8” TV show elsehwere on this page — Bam! JesseAz, Mother’s Lament, and RMac reply with gray turds, presumably insulting me personally since there is no political point they could possibly be making.
Yet, if I make a comment critical of Democrats, such as my snarky comment yesterday about Kamala Harris, they won’t reply at all. No acknowledgement I said something against my purported "lefty" team. Total pretending they didn’t see my comment and it never happened.
Cite?
You sure do talk a lot about other people. But other people aren't allowed to do the same about you. Whats the word... disingenuous... hypocritial....
Total pretending they didn’t see my comment and it never happened.
They've got files and files full of bookmarked things that we said. What they want is for us bookmark comments like that so that when they demand proof we dance like monkeys and show them our bookmarks. Of course they'll just say "Not good enough" and continue with the lies and personal attacks. They're pigs rolling around in the mud. Engaging with them simply means you get dirty and they like it. That's it.
You have a sickness. It is not persecution to point out that have a very limited understanding of politics and history when you demonstrate it regularly. Or that you suck at debate.
Yes. Because you and Mike demanded evidence of your past comments which you freely and openly lie about. You even lie in the same thread chain. You demanded. We responded. Yet you still call the cites lies. Lol.
They’ve got files and files full of bookmarked things that we said.
It's creepy.
You say shit that contradicts what you said yesterday and expect no one to notice. You have a long history of this. It's not creepy to demonstrate you are a shameless gaslighter.
Meanwhile, gaslighting is super creepy.
Could it be that what you said was stupid and nobody cared? And why would a snarky comment count as "something against my lefty team"?
Post a real argument in good faith and you might get real engagement.
Or, pull a boner like continuing to claim that a police officer was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher for more than a week after the NYT retracts their lie and never admit that you were wrong and spreading misinformation because you liked the narrative better than the truth.
Your choice.
Mike has you now. It was 3 weeks after CNN retracted the claim. Mike owns you now.
I remember that he graduated to "the bear spray caused the stroke" when he could no longer even get his homies to continue with the fire extinguishers.
Bam! JesseAz, Mother’s Lament, and RMac reply with gray turds
Why the fuck does Jesse always get top billing? It's not fair.
I am still bitter that I couldn't piss off Michael Hihn bad enough to put me on his list. That is the list for the ages.
Requiescat in pace, sweet prince.
List + write = zero.
I even got on his list.
Mike, sarc, hihn, shrike, DoL (shrike).
Lists love me.
I’m pretty sure I got on Hihn’s list. It wasn’t that hard.
Lol.
Except no one has said they never criticize Democrats.
The specific accusation was that they don’t call them out for their blatant authoritarianism.
Fake kidnapping, arresting parents at schoolboard meetings, spying on Catholic Churches, organizing the J6 riot then keeping trespassers in solitary for 10 months.
Yeah, it's totes the Right that's authoritarian.
And forcing out "Seditious conspiracy" charges because politicians spent so long calling it an insurrection that they actually needed to prosecutor some traitors. And they put it in front of a jury that heard years' worth of propaganda about the insurrection that was happy to hang the traitors.
An unspoken conspiracy. Yet trump russia hoax was just free speech by hundreds of people acting independently.
In the past week J.P Morgan/Chase closed bank accounts for religious and political reasons. You can't get a more government/private meld than J.P. Morgan. Their CEO sat on the Federal Reserve Board for years. They've gotten bailout money in the billions and are FDIC insured. But I'm told they're a private company and can do business with who they want.
The Supreme Court on Thursday sided with a photographer who claimed the late Andy Warhol should have honored her copyright on a photo of the rock star Prince when creating an iconic artistic image of the late singer...
They can't be bothered with revisiting QI but they can take on this case.
https://twitter.com/WeldtoWrite/status/1659565747465756673?t=StHqiRyyVRDc-y-w_tEFzw&s=19
Twenty-four hours later, and this still burns me.
Daniel Penny was trying to protect a subway car full of people and has been charged with manslaughter for it. Shannon Brandt hunted down and murdered Caylor Ellingson with his car and also gets manslaughter. Our system is trash.
"@JackPosobiec
BREAKING: Murder charge reduced to manslaughter for North Dakota man who struck, ran over, and killed conservative teen"
An autopsy found that Ellingson's injuries "weren't caused from being struck by Shannon Brandt's vehicle and were caused by being run over."
What the holy living fuck? I knew ND was in bad shape, but this is Old South light punishment for lynching logic. It wasn't Brandt that killed, him, it was the weight of the SUV and the physical resistance of the roadway.
Andy Warhol is dead?! Next you'll be telling me Prince is dead...
Sad.
Not so loud. He actually thinks he is clever.
https://twitter.com/katiadoyl/status/1659358788959232005?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
Palo Alto will make an exception to its natural gas ban for world-famous chef José Andrés, after the landlords for the chef's planned restaurant warned Andrés may pull out over the regulation.
Nobody could've foresaw exceptions being carved out for the wealthy and connected. I'm shocked!!!
He'll probably be exempt from the eventual rules mandating that a certain percentage of the menu be insect-based.
And a special table for Newsom and his cronies from the French Laundry.
Perhaps you aren't familiar with Andres. Let's just say that insects would fit right in with his work.
Dominant tech firms tend to be OK with stricter regulation because they know it will lock in their advantage over smaller competitors...
You'd think they would have a name for that.
I think they did at one time.
Yeah, they call it the "rights of private companies".
It's not rent-seeking because you can sign up for
TwitterMastodon for free.https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1659396027500331008?t=5krdJPCnQG05rJlQCOF7oQ&s=19
New Senate bill proposes new federal agency to police digital media.
It would have the authority to fine users for “misinformation” and “hate speech.”
The Commission would have “a broad mandate to promote the public interest, with specific directives to protect consumers, promote competition, and assure the fairness and safety of algorithms on digital platforms, among other areas. To fulfill its mandate, the Commission would have the authority to promulgate rules, impose civil penalties, hold hearings, conduct investigations, and support research. It could also designate ‘systemically important digital platforms’ subject to additional oversight, regulation, and merger review.”
As @ReclaimtheNetHQ noted on Twitter, the bill would “empower a new federal agency to create a council that establishes ‘enforceable behavioral codes’ on social media platforms and AI. The council will include ‘disinformation’ experts.”
“The bill also has age verification requirements,” Reclaim the Net added.
“This is unconstitutional, also evil and stupid,” Constitutional attorney @pnjaban bluntly remarked.
The bill currently lacks specific safeguards to protect free speech and ensure that regulations implemented by the commission do not unduly infringe upon individuals’ constitutional rights. Instead, it relies upon government-appointed “experts” who would doubtless act to police state-approved narratives and policies. Without robust protections for free expression, there is a risk of chilling effects on online discourse, as well as stifling innovation and creativity.
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LOL, and then people will point directly at this legislation when literally every last child, woman, and man leave social media sites en masse overnight.
Because, last I checked, all people do on social media is shit post and flame each other. Without the ability to do that, what is the point of social media for the average user?
Also, does this mean that people won't be able to sign up anonymously to any platform ever again? If so, it sounds like the Government finally found the right lever to pull for a full state-owed user ID to track every last thing you do online.
"Business decision"
https://twitter.com/not_the_bee/status/1659554527228329985?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
Poll: One-third of Canadians are fine with "prescribing" state-sponsored "suicide" for homeless people
Canadians are so nice and polite.
And crazy homeless people are the furthest thing from that. Time for some Behavioral Cleansing.
The Canadian version of The Purge film series is one, 15 min. long PSA that ends with Ethan Hawke euthanizing the homeless guy and handing over his corpse.
So a comedy instead of horror?
This brings me to something I haven't seen anyone else discuss: The First Purge.
This movie was Birth of a Nation for the modern woke. Not a single positively portrayed white character. The purge conceived as specifically designed to target blacks and depopulate the hood. Whites as inherently evil, hunting down blacks. White leaders watching drone footage and sending out white kill teams because the peaceful hoodrats were just partying instead of killing each other. Then the evil whites have to equip the homicidal crackhead with elite tech so he can turn the noble savages violent. Pretty sure they even had the white hit squad massacre a church full of blacks that was being used as a sanctuary.
That movie was released on the 4th of July 2018. Not even 2 full years later we get the mostly peaceful summer of love...
Quebecois are a brutal people.
Only 1/3rd? I guess Canada's homeless problem hasn't gotten bad enough yet.
The climate needs to warm up a bit in Canada before they have the homeless problems that, say, Los Angeles does.
One-third of Canadians are fine with “prescribing” state-sponsored “suicide” for homeless people
They'll need to build a lot of "showers."
https://twitter.com/PetiteNicoco/status/1659543245330989056?t=4rcr86288p7bWgwjgsXlSQ&s=19
Crazy that nowadays you could be just living your life and then you have to worry about some random strangers filming you and ruining your life at any moment. Very dystopian
The irony of that statement being from a twitter user.
All decent people need to get out of NYC immediately.
And all decent people need to get out of all social media immediately.
For those too lazy to click the link, a black guy is trying to steal a pregnant white woman's bike, and the Twitter users are calling her a thief and a racist Karen for protesting.
*5 black guys, and the assumption being spread by the Twitter activists isn't that the visibly pregnant white woman was protesting, but rather that she was trying to steal the bike from them
I think everyone knew what really happened but since that might sound racist it just had to be false. This is why people still have to believe the thieves narrative over the proven victim.
One thing most Karen's won't do under any circumstances is approach a group of black people and start making demands.
5 black guys
If only someone had come along and tossed them a basketball...
https://twitter.com/neoavatara/status/1659552841512501249?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
WaPo: Millions flowed to Biden family members. Don’t pretend it doesn’t matter.
Paying tribute to the ruling family is part of Democracy! (TM).
Don’t pretend it doesn’t matter.
Current Reason is dedicated to the proposition that it doesn't matter.
https://twitter.com/VDAREJamesK/status/1659541621786935297?t=6Bbt2cwvdgnVmSQFSl9Iqg&s=19
Yes, I know there’s been evidence contradicting this for a day. Do you think a journalist cares? Do you think NBC just doesn’t know what it’s doing, that it is just a slip-up?
It’s about hating whites because they are white. Facts don’t matter. It’s not complicated.
"@NBCNews
A New York City hospital employee has been placed on leave after a viral video that appeared to show her attempting to take a rental bike from a group of young Black men garnered millions of views."
Yeah, that sounds like every white woman I know. Stealing bikes from a group of young black men. 100% believable.
She has receipts it was her bike. Media don't care.
IMO, the most fucked up part, despite Binion’s assertions has been the Twitterati’s abject validation of what was previously portrayed as Scott Adam’s borderline insanity.
Imagine if 3-4 white guys got into a legit squabble over a rideshare bike (they paid for bike 1, she paid for bike 2, she took bike 1 or they took bike 2 by mistake) with a pregnant black woman and she maced and kicked the shit out of them as they refused to hit a pregnant woman. There would be legions of white people doxxing anyone who even said “I can understand how there was some confusion.” as racist. Instead, we have people grabbing bios of unrelated white women off of hospital websites, doxxing them on Twitter, and getting “She deserves it.” in reply.
If only there was an entire continent with no white people.
I actually don't disagree with Billy here, and I disagree with his takes all the time.
This is a scam that has only become this way because of the Social Media Outrage Machine. People grab your dog or bike or whatever while a conspirator films, and then they try to intimidate you solely on the basis that they will get you canceled. They want your bike, or your dog, or your groceries, or for you to pay them not to post the video.
If people agreed with Billy- that these posts do not deserve to go viral- these scams would not exist.
That isn't to say that there isn't a right or wrong party in that video. The evidence clearly indicates that the woman is in the right here. But that should be a tiny blip on the radar and not discussed at a national level.
And for all that, let's note that this outrage machine has received plenty of fuel from Reason, who has posted and commented on many of these cancel mobs in the past, and not always to say it is stupid.
This is a scam that has only become this way because of the Social Media Outrage Machine. People grab your dog or bike or whatever while a conspirator films, and then they try to intimidate you solely on the basis that they will get you canceled. They want your bike, or your dog, or your groceries, or for you to pay them not to post the video.
Well, if the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit.
I only saw Billy's post after it became apparent it was a lie spread by his fellow travellers.
Hmm. Just a few weeks back a black waiter at a Ohio Texas roadhouse was racially assaulted by a family, all clad in Confederate clothing, including the baby. I understand the server made over 1000 in tips from an indignant online rage mob.
They even rioted on Yelp taking it out on said Ohio Texas Roadhouse. I can't find any followup stories.
I wonder why black people such as the daily smash/grab shoplifters that push security out of the way, the lady who had a cart full of 100's of dollars of meat she was openly stealing and batting away the white lady trying to stop her, the people who would just go up to a stranger who purchased a rental bike and blatantly steal it from her (a small woman)...
I wonder why they feel so empowered to do this. Getting a little old hearing about the raw deal black people have and how the country is racist and white supremacist, while simultaneously watching black people do whatever the fuck they want and white people that get in the way are either beaten, completely have their lives/reputations ruined, or both.
Hood rat privilege.
Reparations. Just cutting out the government middle man.
Maybe Frontline will run an investigation blaming this on Trump, like they did the Central Park Five.
“Needless to say, we should be skeptical, if not hostile, toward all such efforts.”
Well when Reason decides to show even basic skepticism, I’ll be happy to see it. Unfortunately, Reason seems to show ZERO skepticism that Companies are increasingly run by government agents. The revolving door between Government jobs, NGO Think Tanks and corporate boardrooms is a big problem.
Instead, Slade, et al, show clear coordination with the government as mere “pressure” from the government. And let’s note that the scale of that “pressure” was hardly acknowledged by Reason writers until after the Twitter Files made it impossible to ignore the deep coordination between the public and private sector.
If Reason actually showed basic Skepticism, they would question the imaginary bright line they have drawn between the Private and Public sector. They would do some fucking investigation of the matter, rather than just wait for speeches from senators in Flyover Country to react to.
The intertwining of Government and the Private sector is *the* libertarian issue of the next 20 years. The Twitter files are not even the warning shot- they are the Shot Heard Round the World- we are at war, and if you like liberty we are losing.
Edit PS: The reason I am so pissed about this is because of people like JD Vance. He is going to try and use government power to correct government power. And he will do it ham-handedly, and deliver even more power to the statists. Slade, and many libertarians, are denying what is clearly happening. Look at ESGs. Look at Diversity Mandates. Look at government-funded NGOs that score companies on these facts. These things are 100% created to groom Corporations into only having leaders of a certain political viewpoint.
Either Libertarians wake up and acknowledge this is happening, while providing an alternative solution, or people will write them off as they did during the whole Social Media Censorship episode.
The revolving door
That's understating it. It's a giant waterbed they're all writhing around naked on.
And even "pressure" in quotes is being generous. Again, Facebook begged for federal regulators to slap their ass and pull their hair and Reason sat back and said, "Hawt!"
The problem with the "centrist":
They ultimately value the status quo above all else, because they’ve found a comfortable position within the status quo- the “center”/”both sides”.
It satisfies their ego because they see themselves as “independent” and “above the fray”. All outcomes are equally bad (or good) to them because they’re not on either team.
In reality, they’re just wallflowers too fearful or proud to engage, to declare a position and be identified with the mix of good and bad that comes with each side.
Being a “centrist” allows them to pretend apathy is objectivity, waffling is independence, shallow equivocation is nuance, laziness is profound.
Because, despite the disagreement and vitriol they may receive from either or both sides, they’re taking the easy way out on an intellectual and egotistical level. The arguments with both sides feed their sense of self satisfaction, their self-image.
Thus any prospective sudden change to the status quo is uncomfortable. The centrist can move with gradual shifts and maintain his centrism because the dominant partisans constantly grow more extreme. What he cannot abide is the uncertainty that comes from a real threat to the status quo because a significant, sudden change in the status quo threatens his own identity.
A centrist can bitch about one side so long as he doesn’t commit to opposing it more than the other side. And a centrist can recognize that the real dominant side is really bad, but then he’ll justify his inaction, his commitment to non-commitment and the status quo, with fantasies of how bad it will be if the other side becomes dominant.
TL;DR- the centrist takes the easy way out by imagining that the opposing side will be just as bad as the dominant side if power were reversed, no matter how bad the dominant side is in reality
Yeah, just look at the commenters at Patterico or their buddies at The Dispatch. They epitomize everything you write here.
You make a good case against centrists in a 1D line model . You're either left, right or center. But a line is a poor model for politics. It's more like 3D. Many non-conforming independent thinkers won't identify with either party. This is how many people end up libertarian and why libertarians are like a herd of cats. They all have their own ideas.
If a person is opposed to the drug war, wants to limit government spending and the power of the presidency; end the fed, SS and medicare there is no good party, only one that is somewhat better than the other.
You can't dismiss all independent thinkers that have no representation in either party as scared centrists. The reality is much more complicated.
You're not an independent thinker.
That's the whole fucking point.
Irrelevant. Do you think there are no independent thinkers or that they are all MAGA's?
Any truly independent thinker, at this point in time, is either trying to get in good with the woke because it's the easiest grift or they're terrified of the nazi+soviet inspired regime that is in the process of consolidating absolute power throughout the entire western world.
No truly independent thinker thinks their fantasies of how bad the other side would be is worse, or even relevant, to how bad the dominant side is right the fuck now.
Talking about "both sides" is at this point is a narcissistic virtue signal and attempt to distract so that the status quo may be maintained on its current trajectory.
Thanks for the detailed response.
It’s more like 3D.
I learned this the hard way. I was a Libertarian Party candidate and was campaigning at a local marijuana rally. First guy I talked to, I just assumed he was anti-war -- nope, he was a hawkish ex-veteran.
I didn't make the same mistake again, and it freed me intellectually: a light came on and I realized I could be an individual, even as a candidate, not needing to tow the party lion.
Another anecdotal example: My nephew's wife posts pro-MAGA memes all the time, but when it comes to abortion, she is adamantly expresive of her support for a woman's choice.
.. tow the party lion.
It’s “toe the line”.
What you said makes no sense at all.
The revolving door between Government jobs, NGO Think Tanks and corporate boardrooms is a big problem.
Replace"military-industrial complex" with "public-private partnership" or "stakeholder capitalism " in Eisenhower 's farewell address, and it wouldn't really be all that different in substance.
The intertwining of Government and the Private sector is *the* libertarian issue of the next 20 years. The Twitter files are not even the warning shot- they are the Shot Heard Round the World- we are at war, and if you like liberty we are losing.
*shrug* I've been trying for years here to make that point. Maybe you'll have better luck.
The Twitter Files. What an exaggeration to try to make them into the “Shot Heard Round the World”. A relatively minor case of government meddling in social media.
Instead of using it to feed an outrage boner, just solve the problem by passing a law that constrains Federal employees and contractors from meddling in social media content. Pass similar laws for state-level government employees, too. The Republicans had such a bill going, which they seem to have lost interest.
bookmarked!
Creepy, but go ahead.
Hey, what about addressing my second paragraph. That would be a more interesting reply on your part.
No no. Keep defending government censorship and open fascism. Youre doing well.
"The Twitter Files. What an exaggeration to try to make them into the “Shot Heard Round the World”. A relatively minor case of government meddling in social media."
Let's note that Mike offers ZERO evidence that the Twitter Files were a "minor case". Reason has printed no less than half a dozen articles for this "minor case". We have direct evidence that the government was paying Twitter to take down content. We have direct evidence that the government was paying NGOs to go around the industry and intimidate companies into deplatforming "disinformation spreading" sites like...Reason. But to Mike, this is all minor.
What we do know is that from day one when the first files were dropped, Mike was already waving his hands and dissembling. He was incorrectly (or disingenuously) claiming that they proved no government interference:
https://reason.com/2022/12/02/twitter-files-elon-musk-matt-taibbi-hunter-biden-laptop-censorship/?comments=true#comment-9819633
A few weeks later, he was arguing the exact opposite- that everyone always knew the government was directly coordinating Social Media, and that this was old news.
He claims to be libertarian, but when we see actual evidence of government abuse, not only can he not bothered to show concern, he actively runs interference and attempts to minimize it. So we can safely say that when Mike insists that this is a "minor case", it is not because he actually believes this to be the case. What he believes is that the wrong people are being criticized in his tribe.
Plus, “moar lawz” will solve the problem that doesn’t exist.
Yeap. Bookmarked.
It was just their freedom of speech!!!1!1!
Oh, and there’s already a law. It’s called the First Amendment.
Libertarianism as suicide pact. Again, I've got a 3000 word comment/editorial on this subject, but fuck it, let's go bowling.
I see nothing libertarian about what is happening. I only see Libertarians myopically focused on single issues. It is less a suicide pact, and more like a herd of jibbering lemmings.
And what are lemmings known for?
Journalisming technique #26: Letting the interviewee write the copy (or possibly Chat GPT).
How Weird Was the ‘Wired’ Interview With Pete Buttigieg?
“As Secretary Buttigieg and I talked in his underfurnished corner office one afternoon in early spring, I slowly became aware that his cabinet job requires only a modest portion of his cognitive powers.”
“Fortunately, he was willing to devote yet another apse in his cathedral mind to making his ideas about three mighty themes — neoliberalism, masculinity, and Christianity — intelligible to me.”
“He now recognizes that the persistence of far-right ideology, with its masculinist and antidemocratic preoccupations, is part of the reason that neoliberalism has come undone.”
“Even as he discusses railroads and airlines, down to the pointillist data that is his current stock-in-trade, the US secretary of transportation comes off like a Mensa black card holder who might have a secret Go habit or a three-second Rubik’s Cube solution or a knack for supplying, off the top of his head, the day of the week for a random date in 1404, along with a non-condescending history of the Julian and Gregorian calendars.”
“I was also fascinated by the way that Buttigieg, who has long described himself as obsessed with technology and data, has responded to the gendering of tech, and especially green tech, by fearsome culture warriors, including Marjorie Taylor Greene.”
“Not everyone, it seems, even wants a rising standard of living if it means they have to accept the greater enfranchisement of undesirables, including, of course, women, poor people, Black people, and the usual demons in the sights of the world’s Ted Cruzes and Tucker Carlsons.”
It sounds like the writer is looking to get invited back for a second, more intimate interview....
Good luck getting him into bed, lady.
“Not everyone, it seems, even wants a rising standard of living if it means they have to accept the greater enfranchisement of undesirables, including, of course, women, poor people, Black people, and the usual demons in the sights of the world’s Ted Cruzes and Tucker Carlsons.”
Anyone care to explain this to me? Cuz, frankly, I don't fucking get it.
Apparently there is some strawman where White Supremacists are turning down raises to spite the darkies who would also get one?
Describing WEF and elites.
Immutable law of leftist projection
Satirical word salad derived from core progressive maxims, like "White people bad", "Everyone except white males is a slave", and "Modern lifestyles must be banned to save the planet".
Anyone care to explain this to me?
Yes. Many people choose a higher differential (in their favour) over an absolute improvement. Lest you think that this is an unevidenced claim related to LBJ’s famous comment about poor whites, there’s an early result in behavioural finance I came across IIRC in the Oxford Companion to the Mind (currently boxed up in my basement so I can’t locate the specific reference).
Experimental set-up, something like: there are two trays, each with a red saucer and a blue saucer. For tray 1, the red saucer has 3 chocolates and the blue, 2. For tray 2, the red has 4 chocolates, the blue, 5. Participants can choose either tray, and they will then get what’s on the red saucer, and the person next to them will get the blue saucer. Rationally, you choose tray 2; but about 2/3rds of the subjects chose tray 1, because they got more than the next guy.
Note: this partly explains the appeal of socialism to many people who nonetheless accept that capitalism does provide superior economic benefits overall. If they can narrow the economic differential to the people above them, that everyone may end up worse off doesn’t matter. Irrational, but there you go.
Everyone would be better off if everyone minded their own business.
but about 2/3rds of the subjects chose tray 1, because they got more than the next guy.
Bullshit. Link to the follow up study that supported the finding. Then lets talk about the setup and the makeup of the test subjects. Any study that shows people to be inherently irrational is highly suspect. The definition of rational demands such a conclusion.
Fucking nihilist shitweasel posts a study without any evidence. Fuck off and die.
I'm reminded of the study (that I'm slightly foggy on) that showed social conformity. They appeared to have 5 subjects come into a room and view a series of images showing 2 lines, then say if the lines in each image are the same length or equal lengths. When a subject did this individually, they got correct answers. But when put into a group the subject would lie after the first couple "subjects" (actually members of experiment team) gave the incorrect answer. Something like 80% of the subjects actually lied to conform to the group's incorrect answers.
But this isn't inherently irrational. It's just scary.
That is not irrational. Questioning what you are seeing because others don't seem to be seeing the same thing is rational. The experiment itself is unethical, but proof that gaslighting is effective.
It has been reported multiple times.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214804318300922
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167268198000894
Edit: Are those pay walled?
Nope. Open access.
Had you responded reasonably I'd do more checking. As you're too much of a cuntish POS to do so, you too can fuck right off.
I am the cunt? You are the one that posted a bullshit conclusion without any evidence. Try doing things the right way and see if you et a different response, fuckwad.
And here, from one of the linked studies is what I expected:
The experiment is not remotely empirical.
Note: this partly explains the appeal of socialism to many people who nonetheless accept that capitalism does provide superior economic benefits overall.
Your conclusion is an even greater heaping helping of bullshit. Socialist leaders lie and make outrageous promises and tell stupid people that they are really the smart ones, that is the primary appeal. It is worse than any religion. The proof is the 100s of millions of deaths associated with it.
"Experimental set-up, something like: there are two trays, each with a red saucer and a blue saucer. For tray 1, the red saucer has 3 chocolates and the blue, 2. For tray 2, the red has 4 chocolates, the blue, 5."
Reality check set-up:
Citizen is told that choosing tray 2 will result in them getting 4 chocolates and their neighbor 5, but they choose this tray and instead both they and their neighbor receive a steaming pile of shit that are clearly somewhat different in size, but hard to tell exactly who's is bigger/stinkier/steamier.
This experiment is called "socialism" and has been tried many times. The smart people learned about it many times, so they refrain from participation in the study.
This help you understand a little better honey?
Brilliant.
I'm trying to remember that study that Reason touted that "unfortunately" showed that people were reluctant to abide by rules when it arbitrarily lifted some other group. Conclusion: People are mean.
When in reality, the conclusion was that the people involved in the study were keen to bullshit equity systems and crude redistribution schemes.
Ya agreed, the issue with these hypotheticals is that they are often based on imaginary contrived situations that dont comport with reality.
When they ask "so if you knew the govt could wave a magic wand and make everything better for X victim group, would you have them do that" and they respond "no"...
Its not because they are horrible mean people that don't want anyone else to do well, its just that they know what happens when the govt reaches for its magic wand, as is well documented.
Those that push for the magic wand are relying on the good intentions and naivety of young and uninformed people (read: idiots)
The problem with psychological studies like that is that people know they are in a psychological study. It's nothing like real life. It's hard to resist ones that confirm my own biases, but I have to question how valid they really are to how people actually behave in natural interactions in the real world.
I think the only validity of the study is to show that in the context of simple win/lose/draw parlor games, there's some human psychology involved, within the context of the win/lose/draw parlor game.
Again, based on my example above, one can conclude all kinds of things as an "extension" of how the small # of people involved in the study might react to grand social engineering schemes. And it's silly to try to do so.
Good point. Psych studies are notoriously unreliable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproducibility_Project
Unfortunately, wanting a free society means we can't advocate that people like this be kept medicated in secure facilities away from society.
A man who has been in prison for more than 30 years for a murder almost everyone agrees he did not commit is getting a chance at freedom...
His release will have a chilling effect on prosecutor resume padding.
That woman—Molly Griffard, a lawyer with the Legal Aid Society—is now suing.
Cops are the only ones who don't have to fear an attorney scorned.
https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1659396027500331008?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
New Senate bill proposes new federal agency to police digital media.
It would have the authority to fine users for "misinformation" and "hate speech."
"It would have the authority to fine users for “misinformation” and “hate speech.”
Which they alone define.
But Sarcasmic and Slade say the real problem is JD Vance criticizing things.
https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1659396027500331008
New Senate bill proposes new federal agency to police digital media.
It would have the authority to fine users for "misinformation" and "hate speech."
Am I supposed to feel safer (or at least democratically safer)?
there is no meaningful distinction between the public and the private sector in the American regime.
Why do I suspect you are completely misrepresenting what Vance meant by this quote?
JUST IN: The FBI has SUSPENDED the whistleblower agents that are testifying about FBI’s ongoing weaponization against conservatives.
The FBI never fails to amaze me with their corruption.
Not just suspended, not able to work outside the FBI, no pay, etc they are having to rely on charity.
How many articles have regarding the impeachment whistleblowers blowing smoke up their asses?
When was the last time we heard about an agent of the government refusing to comply with what they believed to be unethical or illegal orders? It seems like the actions of these agents are something to which a Libertarian magazine should have an overwhelmingly positive response. We will see.
We won’t see shit because this place is not what it was even 6 years ago, let alone what it was when I fist started posting here in 2009.
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1659531919367847939?t=HALI91LEhPEOSunEYBqVaw&s=19
Advocates for this stuff always have to use euphemisms because what they’re moppushing for is so ghastly
Chris wants butchers to carve the genitalia and breasts off of minors, he’s an advocate for the horrific and permanent abuse of minors
"@chrislhayes
In Florida, you no longer get to make healthcare decisions for your own child: Ron DeSantis makes them. It doesn't matter what you think is best for your kids, Ron tells you."
I've been around a while, and I can't recall when parents were free to poison and mutilate their children.
https://twitter.com/deangeliscorey/status/1659220531529351169?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
New Hampshire Representative Tommy Hoyt (D) sent this email to a parent last night:
"Do you know why children's results tanked during covid? Their parents were incompetent teachers. Do your children a favor, let the teachers teach, and shut up. You're clearly no professional."
Hoyt should move to Virginia.
TikTok creators sue over Montana ban
Sure, Xi can come over and defend his psy op in court, ignore the little red dots xi
Matt Gaetz forces reporters to sit through newly unveiled footage of FBI whistleblower depositions.
That must've been horrible for them. Now they can't plead ignorance.
You underestimate the cognitive dissonance powers of dedicated zealots. Also ability to flat out lie.
The Court also ruled yesterday in Twitter v. Taamneh, a similar case involving plaintiffs trying to hold Twitter liable for allegedly failing to adequately moderate Islamic State group content. In a unanimous ruling penned by Justice Clarence Thomas, the Court held that Twitter did not meet the necessary elements to be guilty of "aiding and abetting" terrorists. From the decision:
I mean, this one just proves a point I've been arguing about S230: The internet doesn't need a First Amendment because we have a First Amendment. SCOTUS basically ruled this case-and to a lesser extent, the Gonzales case-without needing to consider 230. Corporations can still have First Amendment protections for their decision to host speech that isn't theirs without needing Section 230 to be the definitive shield.
Why many of us think contracts is the way to go after their moderation rules based on vague rules and biased execution.
"We reserve the right to delete any comment for any reason at any time." ... That's what your "contract" says right up top here, whiner, crybaby, and prima donna extreme! If they hurt Your Precious Baby Feelings... "They took down my post! WAAAA!!!"... Ask for your money back! All $0.00 of it!!!! I'm sure you "get it" back, even though you never seem to "get it" about PLAIN OL' SIMPLE PROPERTY RIGHTS!!! Certainly not with respect to privately owned web sites, ye whining, entitled MARXIST!!!
Still thinking s230 somehow restricts government, Shillsy?
Everyone except for abysmally ignorant and-or stubborn IDIOTS knows that SUING IN THE COURTS OF GOVERNMENT ALMIGHTY involves the exercise of Government Almighty powers!!! And S-230 LIMITS said exercise of powers!
Can you READ and THINK, Perfectly Stupid Bitch?
Hey EvilBahnFuhrer… No matter HOW many times you tell your “Big Lie”, it is NOT true! You’re part of the mob, aren’t you, gangster? For a small fee, you tell small businesses that you will “protect” them… From you and your mob! Refute the below, ye greedy authoritarian who wants to shit all over the concept of private property!
Look, I’ll make it pretty simple for simpletons. A prime argument of enemies of Section 230 is, since the government does such a HUGE favor for owners of web sites, by PROTECTING web site owners from being sued (in the courts of Government Almighty) as a “publisher”, then this is an unfair treatment of web site owners! Who SHOULD (lacking “unfair” section 230 provisions) be able to get SUED for the writings of OTHER PEOPLE! And punished by Government Almighty, for disobeying any and all decrees from Government Almighty’s courts, after getting sued!
In a nutshell: Government Almighty should be able to boss around your uses of your web site, because, after all, Government Almighty is “protecting” you… From Government Almighty!!!
Wow, just THINK of what we could do with this logic! Government Almighty is “protecting” you from getting sued in matters concerning who you chose to date or marry… In matters concerning what line of work you chose… What you eat and drink… What you read… What you think… Therefore, Government Almighty should be able to boss you around on ALL of these matters, and more! The only limits are the imaginations and power-lusts of politicians!
"SUING IN THE COURTS OF GOVERNMENT ALMIGHTY involves the exercise of Government Almighty powers!!! And S-230 LIMITS said exercise of powers!"
Imagine being so retarded as to think such incredibly disingenuous sophistry would trick anyone.
Imagine being so MORALLY AND ETHICALLY retarded (and EVIL!) as to take Mammary-Necrophiliac’s “Good Word” when She Perfectly says shit like, night is day, and good is evil!
“You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.”
The tremendous value of Section 230 is practical. If you are a social media site handling thousand (millions?) of user content submissions every day, you cannot practically handle that volume of data if you are vulnerable to a lawsuit over every submission. For all practical purposes, you can only moderate content imperfectly with algorithms, or with more scrutiny only after a piece of content has been posted and someone raises an objection to it.
"I mean, this one just proves a point I’ve been arguing about S230: The internet doesn’t need a First Amendment because we have a First Amendment."
Making every single lawsuit a constitutional question is not practical. One of the main reasons of Section 230 was to head off numerous decisions that were making their way through the courts, and to prevent lawfare- where people don't care whether or not they prevail in court- they just want to make it so painful that you do what they want.
The twitter files have shown us that 230 is not the problem. The problem is the government. Not only are they pushing and pressuring constantly, but their finance and banking regulations shore up and protect these large companies that they then fuse with.
If you are a conservative or libertarian and you think 230 removal will help your ideas flourish on the internet, I pray you never get your wish to see it removed. Liberals are incessant and better organized than you. They will use the weapons of lawfare and brigading and shit posting every day to make it impossible to operate. Look at what they have done to wikipedia and reddit without the government's help. Now imagine that instead of thousands of people down-voting and stealth editing sites, those people were ALSO creating hundreds of lawsuits.
Good post Overt! S-230 is good in that it removes a bad "stick". The Twitter problem highlighted a bad "carrot" problem.
Old comments about reigning in Government Almighty "suggestions":
https://reason.com/2023/02/02/private-companies-public-pressure/?comments=true#comment-9907738
“So pass a law and make it clearly illegal. Warning: The legal issues are more complicated than you might think.”
Wise words from Mr. Mike! WHO shall be prohibited from making suggestions, about what? Precisely, legally, in both cases? Taking just the WHO… Government employees? Contractors? Their wives, husbands, children, nephews, cats, dogs? If I am the POTUS, or a Senator, and I want to get a “suggestion” put in to you (Twitter-Twatter or FacePooo or etc.), you can BET that I WILL find a way to get that “suggestion” over to you, and make it somehow clear WHO it came from (but NOT in a legally provable fashion).
Then if we are going to outlaw such communications, how will we ENFORCE such laws? More spy cameras and ever more-more-MORE mandatory collection and reporting of ALL of our communications? … Pretty SUCKY idea when we think of HOW are we gonna actually make this WORK!!
A VERY simple version of that would be to outlaw tax money spent as “carrots” to “persuade” media to do or not do certain things! FBI spent millions rewarding Twitter, say some, others say not true… I wasn’t there to see it or not see it… If it IS true, or NOT true, it should be outlawed!
https://www.techdirt.com/2022/12/20/no-the-fbi-is-not-paying-twitter-to-censor/ says 1 source…
https://nypost.com/2022/12/19/fbi-reimbursed-twitter-for-doing-its-dirty-work-on-users/
Well SHIT! Now, WHO to believe!?!? In any case, outlaw tax money spent for this!
https://www.thefp.com/p/the-fbi-trump-durham-report
If the Durham report shows anything, it is that the FBI leadership bent over backward to protect Clinton’s campaign while launching a full investigation into Trump’s campaign on the thinnest of pretexts. In other words, the FBI was not really the Clinton campaign’s persecutor, as so many insisted over the past few years, as much as its protector.
“The speed and manner in which the FBI opened and investigated Crossfire Hurricane during the presidential election season based on raw, unanalyzed, and uncorroborated intelligence,” the Durham report observes, referring to the FBI investigation into the Trump campaign, “reflected a noticeable departure from how it approached prior matters involving possible attempted foreign election interference plans aimed at the Clinton campaign.”
"Crossfire Hurricane during the presidential election season based on raw, unanalyzed, and uncorroborated intelligence"
Its almost like the people involved in opening it specifically said they had an insurance policy against one Donald Trump.
If they did, it was hubris to say that. It was never going to make much difference in the election outcome. People who had their mind set on voting for Trump had their minds setting on voting for Trump. People who had their minds set on voting against Hillary had their minds set on voting against Hillary.
Except, as Mike knows, it did make a difference. We spent an entire 4 years with people who should know better cheering on the rise of an Authoritarian state that hounds people of the wrong political persuasion. It was a terrible episode in American history, and Mike knows it. Which is why he wants us to think this is all about getting people to change votes.
What do you mean "was"?
The Durham report shows 4 different investigations killed by the FBI towards the Clinton Foundation.
https://twitter.com/InternetH0F/status/1659379878372712454?t=zGVfwqWZynTUofbE_RqS7A&s=19
"Is it just me, or has McDonald's gone from a happy child to a depressed middle-aged adult?"
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This clown is asking an FBI Whistleblower to answer for Tweets that aren’t even from his account.
"That's not my account"
"Answer my question"
"I didn't write that, It's not me"
"Answer my question anyway, do you agree with this. This is my time"
Answer my question anyway, do you agree with this.
Only inasmuch as my opinion on your personal hair color choices.
That's the craziest thing ever. Her constituents need to apologize to us for electing her.
authoritarians of the New Right want you to forget that private companies also have rights
These new-fangled Big Government MAGA conservatives demonize capitalism just like the Emo-Progs do.
In fact a conservative is just a Prog with a theocratic boner these days.
Your previous handle was banned from this site for posting links to child pornography.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. Turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
In fact a conservative is just a Prog with a theocratic boner these days.
You're a conservative?
Glad to see though that you finally recognize your anti-theism is religious in nature. Kudos.
In your zeal to besmirch secularism as a religion you inadvertently belittle your own religion and deity.
If I say that I like math you religionists cry "See! You worship math! You're just like us believers!"
You just don't know how stupid you appear by doing so.
Besmirch secularism? You're no secularist, nothing you've advocated here is based on facts, logic or reason. It's always faith-based.
There's not 96 genders, Biden isn't a financial genius, COVID didn't come from a farmer's market, Hunter Biden isn't an artist, Trump didn't colluded with Russia, Jan 06 wasn't an insurrection, the Nazi's were socialists, blocking and shutting down pipelines does affect domestic oil prices, ad nauseam.
To be fair... he thinks Media Matters is non partisan.
It’s amusing to hear right-wing anti-vaxxers talk about Pfizer’s and Moderna’s corporate greed using the same rhetoric as the left.
Partial list of corporations wingnuts have decided to demonize:
Disney
Blackrock
Anheuser-Busch
Morgan Chase
Pfizer/Moderna/J&J
Berkshire-Hathaway
Alphabet
Amazon
Paramount
Viacom/CBS
Time-Warner
Target
Vanguard
Pepsi
Goldman Sachs
many more
Corporations wingnuts love:
Chik-Fil-A
Hobby Lobby
But which ones have free abortions and open-plan bathrooms?
As opposed to Mike using the rhetoric of the left to....push left wing viewpoints.
Let's remember that Mike spent the ENTIRE pandemic scolding anyone pushing back against the COVID state. He accused them of aggression, and insisted that they were scientifically illiterate for (correctly) doubting the effectiveness of masks, or for (correctly) doubting the vaccine's ability to stop the pandemic.
And now Mike is here again, lecturing us about those silly anti-vaxxers, completely ignoring how wrong his lectures have been for 3 god damn years. Any arrogant, condescending utterance from his leftist blowhole should have a big fat footnote that it is 90% likely to be found untrue in the next 3 months.
They used the government to force the product and enrich themselves you disingenuous leftist shit weasel.
Who paid for the jabs, mike?
No wonder you get so much contempt.
Comments like this are why people call you a disingenuous cunt.
Feel free to fact check.
New England Journal of Medicine calls for segregated med school
‘Especially as we seek to recruit more medical students who are BIPOC, we need to recognize [systemic racial] harm and encourage pedagogical approaches that support the needs of BIPOC learners,’
The Democrats haven’t shifted an inch from the sixties in anything but technique.
we need to recognize [systemic racial] harm and encourage pedagogical approaches that support the needs of BIPOC learners,’
Translation: "We have to recognize that niggers are stupid."
How many elites will specify white male doctors for their personal health care needs?
Where would they find them? I can't remember the last time I saw a white male doctor. My primary care doctor is Black. My dentist is Indian. My eye doctor is Filipino.
My primary care doctor is a devout Pakistani Muslim. Best doctor I've had since I was a kid to be quite honest.
Very thorough and competent with a good bedside manner. A pleasant change from decades of bitter, homesick Afrikaner immigrés.
Acceptance rates by race:
Asian:
Accepted: 46%
Matriculated: 44%
African American:
Accepted: 39%
Matriculated: 38%
Latinx:
Accepted: 47%
Matriculated: 44%
White:
Accepted: 44%
Matriculated: 42%
Credentials of accepted applicants, by race:
Asian:
Total MCAT: 514.4
Total GPA: 3.80
African American:
Total MCAT: 505.7
Total GPA: 3.55
Latinx:
Total MCAT: 506.1
Total GPA: 3.62
White:
Total MCAT: 512.6
Total GPA: 3.79
So apparently the affirmative action we *still* have going on, in the form of accepting black students with lower test scores and GPA, who statistically also have the lowest matriculation (graduation/success rates in med school) rates, isnt enough? We also apparently need to add in segregation groups and more antiracist curricula?
Yup, and health care in the future is going to get real interesting. And by that, I mean shitty.
Buttplug says this is okay because Warren Buffett is making bank right now.
More Americans are struggling to make ends meet NOW than in the aftermath of the pandemic
"new survey shows nearly 40% of US households can't pay expenses"
That's OK. Next month neither can the feds.
So what is your remedy?
Hold on - let me guess. You will say "wealth redistribution" as one of those new Big Gov "working man" conservatives.
Isn't it precious how SPB doesn't even bother to disagree? Just like Mike, he happily moves onto a different argument. "Well let's not talk about all those times I disingenuously insisted the economy was great...instead lets talk about this other stuff!"
But Shrike is also a pedophile and a gay basher, as you can see here:
https://reason.com/2023/05/11/cnn-gave-trump-a-megaphone-and-he-used-it-exactly-as-youd-expect/?comments=true#comment-10057991
Now as you can see from that link, Reason has tried to ban SPB for many years. He keeps coming back under new accounts, re-using the same identity. Since he won’t respect Reason’s wishes that he stay away, the better course of action is to shun him.
Don’t forget horrible racist trash too.
"Hold on – let me guess. You will say “wealth redistribution” as one of those new Big Gov “working man” conservatives."
Buttplug can't actually dispute the facts so instead he puts a phony argument in my mouth so he can pretend to stand against that.
40% of Americans are bad with money?
Who disputes that?
Now you two plot how wealth should be redistributed.
Again, you can't honestly address the article, so you have to try to twist things and imply that it's because they can't handle money rather than insane inflationary pressures.
And again, you put phony arguments in our mouths because you can't address the actual ones.
I hope you're not getting fifty cents for that, Plug.
https://twitter.com/HadiNasrallah/status/1659253622981500951?t=v0gBK5UVs9D1Q8CrwA5vsA&s=19
History is being made. President Assad is in Saudi Arabia to participate in the Arab league summit after 12 years of Arab boycott. Arab countries are neglecting western warnings and threats against those who normalize with Damascus. A new era has begun
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There are some positives to the fall of the Anglosphere. A lot of negatives, but stuff like this is good.
The anglosphere didn't fall, it's just directed all it's efforts against its own population
Now they're just taunting us.
When you show up for Casual Friday but it’s only Thursday
Not gonna lie...that would be my attire as a senator.
You could always wear a comfortable dress and no one would dare to say a word.
That would be a way to get on the express elevator for a leadership position.
As long as you don't steal it out of some airport luggage.
Thieving freakshow lives down the road from my office. While it's entertaining every time he gets arrested, it seems that a phone call to turn his dumbass self into the appropriate Virgina authorities might have sufficed. He did not miss any previous court dates, and doesn't seem to be a flight risk.
I do not know the ins-n-outs of airport policing, though, so I don't know if sending the local cops to arrest a subject is SOP.
Continually exhibiting his nickname of Hoodie McStrokebrain
But nobody in kente cloth?
The elite white's in the democrat party only need to pander now and then to keep the party loyal blacks in line.
A knee taken here, a Kente cloth there...usually only needed after a major event like St Floyd.
But then when the reparations bill comes to their desk, good ol dixie democrats like Newsom will pull the bait and switch, as it always was going to be.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1659310997872558082?t=T9vOiZTzThk8ZDH2Z71EHw&s=19
It should not be socially acceptable to call someone an (anything) supremacist, unless there is unequivocal evidence for such a claim
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Bet: Evidence?
Raise and call: https://twitter.com/thedonofhnl/status/1659356588141088769
Oh wow!!
I laughed so hard at the tweet your link was responding to I almost puked.
That's what happens when you have Gen Z headline writers.
https://twitter.com/weldtowrite/status/1659565747465756673?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
Daniel Penny was trying to protect a subway car full of people and has been charged with manslaughter for it. Shannon Brandt hunted down and murdered Caylor Ellingson with his car and also gets manslaughter. Our system is trash.
It's time for all decent people to get out of NYC.
it's possible they already have, and that's why NY is NY
https://twitter.com/thewuhanclan/status/1659575107361165312?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
First they charged with vehicular manslaughter, then upgraded to murder, then downgraded to regular manslaughter which carries a lower sentence than even the initial vehicular manslaughter charged. Then they drop the leaving the scene charge.
The had all the evidence.
"The post-liberal authoritarians of the New Right want you to forget that private companies also have rights."
Anyone who reads the article knows, by about the 4th paragraph, that this is a lie; Vance is pointing out the drift toward that condition and opposing it.
Slade is not bothered enough by facts to have changed the headline and now ENB repeats the same damn lie.
Welsh, this is the reason that former 4-digit contribution is now a 1-digit one, just so ya know you're not forgotten.
Being underwritten by billionaires means never having to care what your readers think. They'll do fine without your contribution. At least until the billionaires get fed up with paying for propaganda no one believes and everyone laughs at.
I can't imagine admitting to contributing to this totalitarian progressive publication and acting like it's tough talk
"The relentless cycle of selling and repackaging the self not only creates a dizzying array of personas to uphold but also lays the foundation for an existential crisis when the demand for one's curated identity dwindles"
Sheesh, talk about First World Problems!
Yeah, this seems like an extremely gassy apologia for the suicide of an unstable woman.
THE PATRIARCHY MADE HER DO IT!
This is all going to end with millions dead and the world in chaos.
New York has “No Plan B” for the power plants they’re shutting down
“As part of last week’s budget deal, Gov. Kathy Hochul and the Legislature ordered the New York Power Authority to shut down all its fossil-fuel plants in just seven years — even though gas-fired plants supply nearly half the state’s electricity.
At the same time, they banned gas (for stoves and heating) in all new buildings by 2029, forcing them to be all-electric.
And by 2035, the only new cars sold here must also be purely electric.
And then there’s this.
At an IPPNY convention in the fall, DEC commissioner Basil Seggos was asked how the state planned to “bridge” the gap until renewable power comes online.
“Listen, I don’t think there is a plan B, alright,” Seggos said. “And I mean that seriously about our opportunity right now, I don’t think we have a plan B. I think that we are on the edge right now when it comes to global climate change and emissions, I really firmly believe that. So we have one shot to get this right. That’s what makes this so challenging.”
His answer frustrated industry officials.
Labor groups fought the state’s decision to deny a permit for a peaker plant in Astoria run by NRG Energy, which shut down this month.
"...I think that we are on the edge right now when it comes to global climate change and emissions, I really firmly believe that..."
And some people really, really believe that unicorns exist. Reasonable people ignore them rather than shutting down the economy to appease them.
Put up, or shut up jackass; where's the evidence?
She is just dumping the problem onto someone else.
Seven years - she is long gone.
Obama correctly called natural gas the "bridge fuel" to clean. We will still be using the same amount of natural gas in 2030.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
This is all going to end with millions dead and the world in chaos.
Feature, not a bug. The cultists want chaos and death, just not for themselves.
1984 meet Hunger Games.
Ah, the paranoia thing again.
"Did someone say 'millions dead'?" - ENB
Plan B is the plan B.
Remember the descriptions of New York City at the end of Atlas Shrugged?
Prosecution is reserved for the cathedral's political enemies
Biden Justice Department Declined To Prosecute Disgraced Soros-Backed U.S. Attorney
DOJ inspector general found Rachael Rollins lied to federal investigators, a crime that carries a five-year prison sentence
Did the lies save democracy? Case dismissed!
That doesn't mean Section 230 is safe from Supreme Court rulings that it doesn't apply to algorithmic recommendations, merely that the issue was avoided for now.
I'm a big defender of Section 230, but I have to admit that in an honest reading, it simply does not address the topic of recommendation algorithms. As much as I don't like it, I don't see how Section 230 provides protection for social media sites as far as recommendation algorithms.
Because Section 230 doesn't cover that. The First Amendment does.
It's like if you own a bookstore. You have thousands of different titles in your bookstore, you don't read every single thing in it. But if you know a customer is really interested in books about Islam, you can point him over to a corner of the bookstore where you have a lot of others books. You may not realize that one of those is a self-published autobiography of someone advocating the advance of the Islamic State and saying that it's every Muslim's duty to kill Christians.
If that customer reads that book and goes out to shoot a bunch of Christians, is it because you told him where he could find that book? No; you're not responsible for the speech of a third party, you didn't know what was in the book (only that it was supposed to be a bestseller!), and you didn't offer any speech.
In fact, this exact sort of platform/publisher relationship predated S230. There's plenty of other laws that can cover it, which is why S230 is a bit problematic-it overly shields platforms from liability for what are not good-faith moderating decisions.
With a social media site or the book store example, I can see a hypothetical scenario where there is a valid case that they truly did push words at someone knowing that the words could incite violence and have reason to believe the person they’re pushing the words to is prone to violence.
Hypothetically. In the real world, recommendations tend not to be that over the top.
You're correct in that grouping books together by similar content, at the book store, is an "algorithm". Clearly!
Faulting S-230 for allowing "bad faith moderation" is about the same as me kicking someone out of my cocktail party (in MY house) for the same! My house, my rules! Your (acceptable, peaceful) solution is to not come to my parties any more, ask for your money back (if any was involved), and to warn your like-minded friends to NOT come to my parties! Pro-individual-freedom, small-Government-Almighty-minded folks do NOT take such matters to court!
You don't even know what s230 is about. I posted an excerpt and you thought it was someone lying about what it said.
Sure, I know what S-230 is, Evil Twat! It is the "Evil" thing that stands in the way of Your Perfect Get-Rich-Quick Scheme!
This is a get-rich-quick scheme by Mammary-Necrophiliac!
Tear down Section 230, then Mammary-Necrophiliac will post something hurtful, racist, and factually wrong, to Reason.com... Then Mammary-Necrophiliac will SUE Reason.com for publishing such a horrible post! Ka-ching ALL of the way to the bank, for Mammary-Necrophiliac!!!
Sometimes you do my job of discrediting you for me.
Thanks.
Sometimes Perfect You does my job of discrediting Perfect You, just PERFECTLY!!!
Thanks.
There’s plenty of other laws that can cover it, which is why S230 is a bit problematic-it overly shields platforms from liability for what are not good-faith moderating decisions.
Not a bit and not overly. It was passed specifically to reverse both Cubby v. Compuserve *and* Prodigy v. Stratton Oakmont. The former reversal, metaphorically, indicating the *landlord or franchiser* of the bookstore be held liable for failing to cull the bookstore's shelves of said offensive material. The latter shielding the owner or franchisee of the bookstore for setting up a specific system to filter out all the works informing people (and them) of the book, publisher, and author's direct complicity in a number of religiously-motivated murders.
Section 230 haters want to give individuals and states more ability to bring successful civil suits against tech companies for all sorts of harms allegedly caused by user content.
Wrong. Critics of Section 230 want the companies' immunity to be IN EXCHANGE FOR allowing freedom of all legal expression. That was the deal. The companies now want it both ways—protection from liability AND editorial control over users' speech.
The original intent of Section 230 was to allow all of the conservatives to pussy-grab all of the libs, and to make them all cry, while preventing the libs from doing the same, right back atcha!
No really, why not study up before spouting bullshit?
Section 230 …
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200531/23325444617/hello-youve-been-referred-here-because-youre-wrong-about-section-230-communications-decency-act.shtml
You don't like the moderation at site XYZ? Go to another site! Or set up your own site! It's called the "free market", and-or "consumer and provider freedom"!
"The relentless cycle of selling and repackaging the self not only creates a dizzying array of personas to uphold but also lays the foundation for an existential crisis when the demand for one's curated identity dwindles"
OK, how about water-soluble skin dyes and genitalia attached with velcro? Oh, and absolutely no moral or philosophical principles.
'Mary Wollstonecraft "noted that it wasn't only society's warped focus on women's biology that hampered progress towards educational equality but also, more specifically, society's obsession with female 'purity,'" wrote Victoria Bateman in an excerpt from her book Naked Feminism.'
You should see how tribes of chimps do it.
Yes, and tribes of Trumpanzees gone apeshit are even worse, since they have more power to destroy more good and valuable things!
Like property rights and free speech?
Trumpanzees gone apeshit on Jan 6th, trying to violently over-throw democracy, hello? Dis-respecting the shit out of GOVERNMENT property = = respect for property rights in general, somehow?
(Does democracy count as one of the "good things", or not? If not... WHAT do you want to replace it with, besides Trumpanzees gone apeshit? Anything else?)
Lol. Poor sqrlsy, losing bigly. Again.
Don’t fear the revolt!
(insurrection)!
All our times have come
Here, but now they’re gone
Seasons don’t fear the revolt
Nor do the wind, the sun, or the rain
(We can be like they are)
Come on, baby
(Don’t fear the revolt)
Baby, take my hand
(Don’t fear the revolt)
We’ll be able to fly
Baby, I’m your man
La, la la, la la
La, la la, la la
Valentine is done
Here but now they’re gone
Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbs
Are together in eternity
(Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbitt)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel
Horst and Babbs both wanted to grab political power through violence, and got back, what they were dishing out. Karma is a bitch! Live by the sword, die by the sword!
Refute it, bitch!
Section 230 haters want to give individuals and states more ability to bring successful civil suits against tech companies for all sorts of harms allegedly caused by user content. Doing so would, of course, seriously weaken the incentives and protections for free speech online.
So, exactly what protection for free speech is Section 230 providing now? If there are any incentives provided for protecting it now, they don't seem to be much in evidence.
Asking for the benefit of banned and cancelled accounts everywhere.
We want icky people silenced by the government while pretending to be libertarians so we let the state work through ‘private’ corporations
Not YOUR free speech, silly. Free speech for Zuckerberg, Musk, Page, etc.
Did you know that RICH people (like Zuckerberg, Musk, Page, etc.) have MORE access to lawyers and courts, to sue in, than us poor peons do? (Or are ye filthy rich?). When your power-lusts are satisfied, and S-230 is torn down, so that people can SUE more often, over trivial shit, no less… “They took down my post, WAAAAA!”… That means that RICH people can sue more, hello?!?!?
Q: “How much justice did I say that I wanted, and did you hear me?”
A: “How much money, fame, and POWER do you have?”
OPEN QUESTIONS FOR ALL ENEMIES OF SECTION 230
The day after tomorrow, you get a jury summons. You will be asked to rule in the following case: A poster posted the following to social media: “Government Almighty LOVES US ALL, FAR more than we can EVER know!”
This attracted protests from liberals, who thought that they may have detected hints of sarcasm, which was hurtful, and invalidated the personhoods of a few Sensitive Souls. It ALSO attracted protests from conservatives, who were miffed that this was a PARTIAL truth only (thereby being at least partially a lie), with the REAL, full TRUTH AND ONLY THE TRUTH being, “Government Almighty of Der TrumpfenFuhrer ONLY, LOVES US ALL, FAR more than we can EVER know! Thou shalt have NO Government Almighty without Der TrumpfenFuhrer, for Our TrumpfenFuhrer is a jealous Government Almighty!”
Ministry of Truth, and Ministry of Hurt Baby Feelings, officials were consulted. Now there are charges!
QUESTIONS FOR YOU THE JUROR:
“Government Almighty LOVES US ALL”, true or false?
“Government Almighty LOVES US ALL”, hurtful sarcasm or not?
Will you be utterly delighted to serve on this jury? Keep in mind that OJ Simpson got an 11-month criminal trial! And a 4-month civil trial!
So I see that one of the FabI whistleblowers got transferred across the country for his uppity report, and the day he, his family and his stuff arrived, he was suspended without pay... And they have been withholding his ability to work at all ever since.
Bonus.... It seems that the federal whistleblower statute may not apply to the FBI in large measure.
Stadt im stadt?
What statutes DO apply to the FBI? Must be a short list.
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1659577539180871681?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
YELLEN TOLD BANK CEOS MORE MERGERS MAY BE NECESSARY: CNN
https://twitter.com/HbdNrx/status/1659277280512978946?t=Uxstxo3XzLD4QPqkkwIDlg&s=19
Important thread re threats from a black social media mob. Really take a look at this.
The crazy thing is, the video is so mild. The *worst alleged case* is that she tried to swindle a bike. Of course, anyone with half a brain could figure out that something else was happening.
But these social media mobs don't have half a brain put together. And yet, powerful institutions take them seriously. Look at the official responses. That's the biggest problem here.
These lynch mobs don't happen to genuine criminals. Why not?
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She got doxed. Her employer put her on leave pending an investigation. She is 6 months pregnant. He was with 4 other guys. Through her attorney she has provided reciepts for the rentals of the bike in question showing that she was the one who paid for it … Serial numbers match the video.
And Twitter is alight with people explaining why her having reciepts just means she is lying about that, because we all saw her in the video.
"She is 6 months pregnant."
Excuse the fuck out of you, you assuming bigot.
*They* are a person who was assigned female at birth, who is a person that identifies with being a full-uterus haver, that is and should be a potential abortion participant should *they* choose to do so.
Please try to limit the hate and ignorance that your comment portrays.
I don’t mind people coming in here and snickering at the stupid uniform I’ve gotta wear, but I’ll be damned if I’m gonna let some self-righteous lucky turd come in here and treat me and Cyto like we’re a couple of fucking uterus-havers.
And Twitter is alight with people explaining why her having reciepts just means she is lying about that, because we all saw her in the video.
I can understand that. We all know at least one Black person who's had their bike stolen by a pregnant white lady, right?
Is google auto completing "Pregnant woman..." with "...stole my bike" now?
For equity?
Again, not just her. They pulled some other white girl's staff bio off the hospital's website and, because the completely uninvolved white woman's last name isn't, IDK, Smith? Kendi?... launch off on an "Ukrainians is racists" tangent.
Even old-school ignorant, racist pudknockers bothered to check IDs and confirm ethnicity before going full racist.
https://twitter.com/petersweden7/status/1659485256892727297?s=46&t=0E3j5st2xxnFRnT_IkYSIQ
Not only is the Netherlands planning on SEIZING 3000 farms to meet new climate goals.
They are now talking about LIMITING the number of cows farmers can have to just 2 per field.
They want people to starve.
This is the weirdest thing... It really does smack of a religious cult.
Heaven's Gate style.
like Soros, they have a deep abiding hatred of all humanity.
Brandenburg v. Ohio overturned now too yes?
230 is safe - censorship lives to see another day! PS 230 did not apply whatsoever to the Twitter case and the 1A didn't either; the District Court had dismissed this silly complaint in a nano second because it failed to state a claim under a separate 'terrorist' statute. 230 and 1A was brought in under the toss in the kitchen sink learned at Law School for Morons (e.g. Michael Cohen). The 9th Circuit (and it's abysmal 61% reversal rate) reversed it and the S. Ct. had to step in and do what they usually do to the 9th Circuit whose judges sound like they were former writers at Reason. They dismissed the complaint for failure to state a cause of action under the applicable statute, not 230. Justice Thomas was very clear that there could be set of facts where the third party vendor (web sites) could be held 100% liable but this was not that case. Hopefully, the Court (especially Thomas) will get a case that covers 230 and end or cripple censorship once and for all.
>>Lead counsel is Ambika Kumar
representing a class of 105,000 Hannah Montanas
Sometimes described as “the internet’s First Amendment,” Section 230 protects “interactive computer services” from some liability for user speech.
If Section 230 is “the internet’s First Amendment” then I guess that makes the Communications Decency Act the “internet’s Bill of Rights”.
That amendment. The one to shoot people in self-defense. Over the internet. Where can we ratify it.
We're falling for this (shit), again:
Speak for your self. All of us libertarians are well aware of this and constantly try to warn all you normies but you never fucking listen
Mary Wollstonecraft "noted that it wasn't only society's warped focus on women's biology that hampered progress towards educational equality but also, more specifically, society's obsession with female 'purity,'" wrote Victoria Bateman in an excerpt from her book Naked Feminism.
Insufferably smug grad school circle jerk.
Section 230 haters want to give individuals and states more ability to bring successful civil suits against tech companies for all sorts of harms allegedly caused by user content.
Conversely, by your own terms, and in alignment with the facts:
Section 230 lovers want to restrict individuals' ability to bring successful civil suits against tech companies for all sorts of harms allegedly caused by user content.
I left out "and states" because the current local peak retard of suggesting that S230 in any way hems in states' power in the same post discussing Montana's TikTok ban will probably be exceeded again shortly, by yourself.
https://reason.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/20230517-alario-et-al-1-complaint.pdf
Ctrl+f "first amendment": 20 results.
Ctrl+f "230": 1 result - Telephone: (503) 241-2300
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how Section 230 applies to the Montana lawsuit.
Let’s look what they said in the linked lawsuit:
1. Plaintiffs, creators and viewers of content on TikTok, bring this lawsuit to challenge An Act Banning TikTok in Montana (SB 419). The Act attempts to exercise powers over national security that Montana does not have and to ban speech Montana may not suppress. By shuttering an entire forum for communication that Defendant Montana Attorney General Austin Knudsen himself admitted is one of “the best way[s] … to get your free speech out there,”1 the law creates a prior restraint on expression that violates the First Amendment, depriving Montanans of access to a forum that for many is a “principal source[] for knowing current events” and “otherwise exploring the vast realms of human thought and knowledge.” Packingham v. North Carolina, 582 U.S. 98, 99 (2017).
The lawsuit doesn't mention 230 at all.
Interesting article about Ron DeSantis’ wife, Casey. She has potential Jackie Kennedy-level charm and style, but she is also very politically ambitious:
“The Casey DeSantis Problem: ‘His Greatest Asset and His Greatest Liability’”
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/05/19/casey-ron-desantis-wife-profile-00097456
She also, it seems, got her husband to change the way he says his family name. “Dee-Santis,” he would say up until around that point. It’s how he always said it. She, on the other hand, would soften that first syllable. “Deh-Santis.”
Why are you posting misogynistic attacks from left reporters that only quote "Republicans" on msnbc or campaign for democrats?
Boring
Dominion Voting Systems CEO whining that their business is ultimately ruined:
https://time.com/6280840/dominion-fox-news-voting-machines-john-poulos/
As I've said before, and I think chemjeff has said several times, I'd like to see all voting software used in US elections have open source code.
Open sourcing voting software could be the true end of companies like Dominion, but don't need to be. There are plenty of tech companies that use open source software but make their money in other ways: offering hardware, services, expertise, value-added software on top of the open source stuff.
Maybe they can get Soros's lawyers to sue someone else on their behalf again.
"Private actors have free speech rights"
Unless they think men are men and women are women.
Or all people should be treated the same.
Or open borders are a bad thing.
Or a math problem only has one correct answer.
Or the US was better off economically under Trump.
Or, well, you can do the rest.
Unless they think men are men and women are women.
More conservative victimhood narrative.
Jordan Peterson, J.K. Rowling, and Michael Shemer regularly post arguments against transgender ideology on Twitter. There are several Dave Chappelle videos on YouTube where he makes fun of transgender idealogy. Nobody is censoring any of them.
Or a math problem only has one correct answer.
And this. Some obscure math professor made some stupid argument about 2 + 2 not necessarily equaling 4, not part of mainstream discourse at all. Yet, it is still charting on the conservative victimhood narrative.
"Jordan Peterson, J.K. Rowling, ...Dave Chappelle..."
Ya, there it is. The good ol, "if a few select individuals who are immune to deplatforming due to extreme fame, wealth, and cultural ubiquity, then censorship/cancel culture isn't real" argument.
Why not add "if it only took being the richest man in the world to buy, clean house in, and restructure a social media company to keep the govt from censoring private individuals speech, then there is no problem with the govt interfering in free speech"
Truly an argument straight out of WaPo
Yeah, and on the Jordan Peterson front, they tried, but failed... again, when you're famous enough, and there's a big enough outcry.
By one conception, "failed" could be considered inaccurate, he's no longer in clinical practice (last I heard) nor a lecturing professor.
Per previous discussions, he very much comes across as someone who didn't and doesn't exactly want the title of Alt-right Social Media Hauptamtsleiter.
Yeah, they did succeed in ruining his existing career. Which is too bad because we need people like that in academia and I enjoyed him more before he got more political. But in the process they gave him a much higher profile and presumably more lucrative career.
But in the process
they gave himhe parried their efforts to a much higher profile and presumably more lucrative career.And they tried and failed with the other three people I gave as examples. You’re helping make my point.
It is fine if government only censors the majority of people - Mike.
Government should spend zero dollars or time trying to censor people - actual libertarians.
No one ever accused Laursen of being smart
If I had a dollar for every time you overstate what I just said… It’s like you don’t have any argument against what I said if you stick to what I said, so you have to exaggerate my position and argue against that.
I never said there is no cancel culture. And you are right that the working s.o.b. is more vulnerable to cancelation than the rich. You are not right that fame or “cultural ubiquity” (whatever that is) will protect someone from cancelation.
(And I’m not sure Jordan Peterson or Michael Shermer is all that wealthy. Telling that you dropped Shermer from the list when you quoted me, by the way.)
Those three examples I gave are not the only ones I could come up with, by the way.
"Michael Shermer"
I personally have never heard of him
And so you thought, “He’s not famous. I better leave him off the list when I quote my Brother Mike, because it would undermine my argument.”
Here’s an idea. When you come across something that is undermining your argument, stop making the argument. Don’t try to alter reality just because you want to win a Reason commentariat debate with your Brother Mike. For one thing your omission is not going to slip by unnoticed by your Brother Mike, who is a very intelligent person.
So, Michael Shermer is the head of “Skeptic” magazine. Although he slightly liberal-leaning, he regularly criticizes the excesses of the transgender rights movement on Twitter. He gets lots of angry responses, as you might imagine, but he has never been successfully canceled for speaking his mind.
You may have missed it by the way, but Elon Musk’s Twitter has complied with foreign government’s censorship requests just as or more frequently than the old Twitter.
Also, when you say “it only took”, yes that is the way it occurred in our timeline. But that doesn’t rule out that some other buyer, say a group of investors, could have bought out Twitter.
Eagle eye laursen, always on the lookout for conservative victimhood narratives. Good job, buddy.
How about the nurse, mike? Any “victimhood narratives” involved in the assumption that pregnant white uterus havers are running around stealing bikes from black dudes willy nilly?
You must have missed that one somehow.
Or open borders
are a bad thingmight allow criminals and/or unwittingly (or not) contagious individuals inA Republican majority Supreme Court upholds Section 230??
Now what will leftards here dig up to b*tch about?
As a parent , I want Section 230 utterly vacated of loopholes. Pornography, violent presences, and other perversions are no good for children and we are doing nothing and reaping the result.
Free Speech is what it isn't about, it's about money and brainwashing and grooming.
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I'm on both lists. You fell off of sarcs. Lol.
Is he checking it twice?
So did Hihn, and he’s dead now. I realize correlation does not necessarily equal causation, but here’s hoping.
Thats Sir Cracker of Shrike to you.
Still not shrike, you cracker cunt.
For once, SRG actually makes sense, but you still get upset.
Just a reminder that R Mac and Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer and other idiots think that a PARAGRAPH HEADING (label) and not the CONTENTS of a paragraph is "magic"! All we'd need to do to "fix" S-230 (according to idiots) is to change the "Good Samaritan" heading-label to an "EVIL Samaritan" heading-label, and Section 230 would magically become acceptable to speech-and-thought-controlling conservatives! Be sure to write your Congress-Slime and get that BRILLIANT suggestion submitted, PRONTO!!!
Mike is strictly a "look the other way" kinda person when it comes to loss of personal liberties. Ridicule anyone who has the audacity to point out documented totalitarian activities when the left is responsible. Regimes need people like him.
"idiots think that a PARAGRAPH HEADING (label) and not the CONTENTS of a paragraph is “magic”!"
The paragraph heading in the excerpt I posted is part of s230 itself, you fucking idiot. It's just as much part of the law as any other part.
You just keep digging deeper.
Oh, Dear Jesus, Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer!
Tomorrow, they will pass a law labelled “The Purity, Cleanliness, and Anti-Pollution Law”, and NO decent person could disagree with THAT, right, right-wing wrong-nut?
Within this law, there will be a paragraph labelled the “Anti-Messy-Housekeeping Provision”, and again, ALL good people will AGREE with that. BUTT… The paragraph’s CONTENTS will say, “All Jewish people being known to be filthy, shall legally forfeit their lives, in any and all unclean Jew-containing households, so that the CLEAN people can, legally, kill the unclean ones, cleansing our collective households, reducing pollution, and CLEANING our world!”
And STUPID AND EVIL people like YOU will look at the LABEL of the paragraph, and ignore the CONTENTS, whenever You think it will get You some POWER!!!
So “Good Samaritans” are BAD, and we need EVIL Samaritans instead, right, Servant-Serpent of the Evil One? And SOMEHOW (PLEASE explain this to us!), the “Good Samaritans”-labelled clause FORCED Twitter to unwillingly accept ??? mind-control from the Government Almighty, and MADE them do things that they did NOT want to do? Without Government Almighty EVER punishing ANY Twitter employees for “incorrect” political moderation?
What punishment does Perfect You, and Your Perfect Punishment Clitoris, wish to wreak upon the disobedient Twitterites, for accepting suggestions that YOU do NOT approve of, ON THEIR FUCKING WEB SITE, NOT YOURS, pray tell?
Add the basics of the regulatory process and how law is written and interpreted to the gigantic pile of things Shillsy doesn't understand.
Your examples and citations are AWESOME! Because I said so! And because “Because I said so!” is THE most awesome libertarian, NON-authoritarian attitude EVER!!!!
Fuck off, fukkkwit.
???
Your post was immediately above mine, but you want me to cite it?
With the exact size of the strap-on being proportional to how badly he gets pwned in the reason comments section on any given day while desperately trying to simp.
Most days it's the big 10 inch.
Actually, I am partial to cracker cunt, so not much of an insult.
Lol
Wouldn't Jesse still have seniority?
That's because all the people who mention it have never actually read it all the way through. It's a deeply conservative, anti-technocratic speech that would get the man demonized as a Ultra MAGA extremist today.
"Add the basics of the regulatory process and how law is written and interpreted to the gigantic pile of things Shillsy doesn’t understand."
Because Mammary-Fuhrer SAID so, dammit! NO details, examples of facts or logic, or analogies provided... Just because The Perfect Totalitarian Asshole SAID so!
Your post was the citation, Shillsy.
I can't think of anything that better exemplifies that you don't understand the how law is written and interpreted, more than what you wrote.
So Perfect You thinks that paragraph headings are the end-all and be-all, and that paragraph contents mean nothing!
Your Perfect Stupidity speaks PERFECTLY for itself! Ass does also, Your Perfect Assholery in NOT explaining, in ANY way, WHY or HOW it is that paragraph headings (mere LABELS!!!) are the end-all and be-all, and that paragraph contents mean nothing!
No... I think paragraph headings and subparagraphs are both important because they're both part of the law, and both have legal weight.
If you hadn't dropped out of school and had taken fifth grade civics you'd know this.
Mammary-Fuhrer, to FIX this, then, write a letter or email to Your Congress-Slime, to get the “Good Samaritan” label changed to the “EVIL Samaritan” label, and we’ll be all set to go!
Oh, wait, I forgot, you don’t even HAVE a USA Congress-Slime!!! You and Your Fellow Perfect Fascists and Moose-Fuckers from Inner Incestuous Islamic Canuckistanistanistanistan… What few of them who are stupid and evil enough to join YOU… Y’all need to come on down here and INVADE THE USA to get this “FIXED”!
Also, you are full of SHIT about HEADINGS and not CONTENTS actually mattering!
From https://uscode.house.gov/detailed_guide.xhtml#second ... "Headings. The second type of change involves adding or modifying section and subsection headings. If a Code section is based on an act section that has headings, the Code will usually retain the original headings. However, in some cases, such as where there are no headings in the original act or where the section text is amended in such a way as to make the act headings inaccurate, the Code editors will provide or modify headings for the Code section."
Simpler: Contents get updated and headings are now newly obsolete? The heading and NOT the contents are supposed to get updated!!! Go pound sand, ye Perfectly Ignorant, Lying BITCH!!!
Your “Asshole” handle isn’t false advertising.
You didn’t point out documented activities. You made a paranoid sweeping statement: “The cultists want chaos and death, just not for themselves.”
I am keep-a-sense-of-perspective kinda person and you are a build-a-list-of-grievances-I-can-fume-over and demonize-my-opponents kinda person.
Dee! You bitch!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iwwtkhInxU
Almost nine minutes of calling Dee a bitch.
You misspelled "Liarson", Mike.
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