Elon Musk and Matt Taibbi Reveal Why Twitter Censored the Hunter Biden Laptop Story
The Twitter Files are interesting but contain few true surprises. A mix of incompetence and partisanship got the site in trouble.

On Friday, Elon Musk announced that he would release the Twitter Files: a behind-the-scenes account of why the social media site prevented users from sharing the New York Post's infamous Hunter Biden laptop story. That story, which was erroneously categorized by national intelligence experts as disinformation of dubious and possibly Russian origin, has become the archetypical example of social media moderation gone awry.
Musk gave the scoop to the independent journalist Matt Taibbi, whose report was published on Twitter itself (in a somewhat confusingly ordered thread).
1. Thread: THE TWITTER FILES
— Matt Taibbi (@mtaibbi) December 2, 2022
The thread contains fascinating screenshots of conversations between various content moderators and company executives as the laptop story debacle was unfolding. But given how massively Musk hyped the revelations, the results are a tad disappointing, and mostly confirm what the public already assumed: A (still unidentified) employee or process flagged the story as "unsafe" and suppressed its spread, and then Twitter moderators devised a retroactive justification—violation of a "hacked materials" policy—for having taken such an extraordinary step. Then-CEO Jack Dorsey was largely absent from these conversations; Vijaya Gadde, Twitter's former head of trust and safety played "a key role." None of this material is groundbreaking; it's already well-known.
To be clear, it's useful to see some of these internal messages. They confirm that Twitter's various departments—communications, moderation, senior management—horrendously mismanaged the entire affair. They were not all on the same page: Vice President of Global Communications Brandon Borrman, for example, was immediately unconvinced by the "hacked materials" justification.
27. Former VP of Global Comms Brandon Borrman asks, "Can we truthfully claim that this is part of the policy?" pic.twitter.com/Rh5HL8prOZ
— Matt Taibbi (@mtaibbi) December 3, 2022
Another employee, Deputy General Counsel Jim Baker, essentially felt that erring on the safe side meant suppressing the story until evidence emerged that it wasn't hacked. This turned out to be an extremely bad judgment. But again, the informed public already knew that the mess had been made by some combination of incompetence and employees' anti-Republican biases.
The most interesting revelation in Taibbi's thread is that Twitter's top executives were warned, over and over again, that this decision was going to create a backlash like nothing they had ever seen before. Rep. Ro Khanna (D–Calif.), a progressive lawmaker, repeatedly emailed a Twitter communications staffer to complain that the firm was violating "1st Amendment principles." (He raised some very valid points in his communications with the company, though strictly speaking the First Amendment does not apply in this situation.) NetChoice, a tech industry trade association, explicitly told Twitter that this would be the company's "Access Hollywood moment." (Unlike Twitter, both Khanna and NetChoice come off looking pretty good in all this.)
Taibbi is a good journalist, and should be commended for adding to the public's understanding of what went wrong here. Progressive figures currently slamming him for having participated in Musk's reveal are behaving horribly. There's nothing "disgraceful" whatsoever about Taibbi's reporting.
And kudos to Musk for attempting to shed more light on what truly was a low moment for the culture of free speech on the platform. But we're essentially in the-butler-did-it territory: The mystery's explanation is exactly what everyone expected, and largely already knew.
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You mean Musk confirmed what we already knew? That Twitter was in the pocket of the left and existed to promote leftism and get leftist democrat candidates elected.
What a surprise.
(Damn, I’m in even before the spambots)
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Yeah, in case anybody hadn't anticipated it, the MSM have settled on a "this is old news!" defense, and it looks like Reason is joining in.
Blatantly even.
Libertarian establishment cunts. But so "edgy".
I just unfollowed ENB on Twitter. She's doing her part to kill the story and it's fucking sad. What the ever-loving-fuck happened to Reason?
Wait, I thought ENB left for Mastodon?
She's still on Twitter.
Lots of the same moving-to-Canada folx can't even leave a social media app, regardless of their spluttering promises.
What is the new news here? Please be specific.
I mean the citations are literally in the Taibbi thread.
Definitely not that you’re a lefty shill. That’s old news.
LOL, did you not even read Brett Bellmore’s post?
Brett Bellmore is the commenter I’m replying to. Did you mean Robby Soave’s post or ???
Never give up the con Dee.
What is the new news here?
That it's finally being considered news?
It's these types of comments that show how disingenuous you are. Just sad.
We knew, in the sort of general terms that allow people like you to deny it, what was going on. The terms are less general now, so you've moved from denial straight to "nothing new here".
We now have direct confirmation that Twitter was taking 'moderation' direction straight from politicians, most of them Democrats.
We also know that they decided to suppress the Hunter laptop story, and only afterwards groped around for an excuse.
“people like you”
You know nothing about me.
We knew about Twitter taking moderation requests from Democrats. We knew that Twitter suppressed the laptop story and made excuses.
You’re a water carrying thrall of the democrat party and a supporter of the democrat agenda. Is there anything else to you?
Why don't you lay out the time line for it. From the start through now. And be honest and thorough.
That Russia invaded Ukraine in order to expose Hunter Biden's laptop and Twitter
What?! Putin was lying about wanting only to help a brother nation rid itself of Nazis?!
It's going to be hilarious when part two drops.
Reason is totalitarian trash staffed by literal cancer.
Even though the information release is evidence that Biden committed one or multiple crimes, in addition to the DNC. But there’s ‘nothing new here’ according to Robby.
Joe Biden, then a private citizen candidate for public office, committed "one or more" crimes?
You should be able to name at least one of them, eh?
Where does it say Biden’s timeline of directing Twitter to suppress comments and blacklist his political enemies ended before he assumed the presidency?
With the timeline narrowed thusly, you really should be able to name them. What crimes has the Biden Administration committed in relation to Twitter (and is, as you say, evidenced by the Twitter information release)?
This guy is dumb as a rock. A Trumpista twit who just bellows loudly with no actual substance
According to Tony Bobulinski, 10% of all proceeds from Hunter's selling of perceived access, and trading on his last name to get high-paid no-show "employment" with foreign operations in Ukraine and China (maybe some other countries as well), were withheld to be kicked up to "the Big Guy", who at the time was serving as VP under President Obama (sometimes known as St Barack the Infallible within MSM circles).
Mike Flynn was publicly pilloried, fired from the position of National Security Advisor, and ultimately had Federal Prosecutors threatening his family with criminal charges over his insistence to go to trial over the charges against himself personally for having failed to disclose a single instance of his having done something on behalf of the (pre-Erdogan) Turkish Government, and they're a NATO ally.
Not to mention that according to polling data, the suppression of that particular story for the weeks leading up to a Presidential election likely had an impact on the results of that election, and at the very least provides a provable data point upon which trump's "stop the steal" rhetoric can claim to be based.
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Yup absolutely. "We already knew this" is extremely weak tea, since people like SQRLSY to this day are insisting that any conservative bias is the fever dreams of trumpaloos.
This is smoking gun proof of what many in the public ASSUMED and yet many others in the public denied for lack of proof. Now we have proof.
And for what it is worth, trusting any "analysis" by Robby Soave means trusting the judgement of someone who thinks it is prudent to argue that the Star Wars Prequels were "actually good".
https://reason.com/2022/11/15/star-wars-episodes-i-ii-and-iii/?comments=true#comment-9794817
This is really the sum of it.
It went blindingly fast from, it’s not happening, OK it’s happening but it’s not as bad as you say, to it doesn’t matter and it’s old news anyway.
Old news to whom? It certainly isn’t old news to people who as recently as a week ago were claiming it was all just algorithms “settling in”, suggesting the weren’t even any human hands involved.
It also puts the lie to the claim that these potentially election-changing decisions are made out of view of legal teams and top executives and are the result of a fully independent, free-thinking moderation team of Uber neutral fact checkers.
So Overt, what's your "fix"? Privately owned web sites don't have perfect moderation? OMG, who knew, and WHEN did they know it??!?!? WHY did they NOT tell us?
Hey, shall we tear down Section 230 to fix this? That's what MANY conservaturds (ass well as liberals) say, ya know!
Murder laws aren't perfect either; Murders and other BAD things still happen! Let's tear down "Thou shalt not murder" laws, and while we're at it, let's murder Section 230!
Moderation ain't perfect! Let's stop YOU from moderating YOUR web site, the way that YOU want to moderate it! We voters can do it BETTER, through Government Almighty FORCE!
Food ain't perfect! There's "food poisoning" happens all the time! We MUST all stop eating! Or at the VERY least, get this "eating" thing under control! Where is Government Almighty FORCE, to micro-manage this thing, to PROTECT us all?
This debacle was about as far from "perfect moderation" as you can get.
Wait till you see what will happen when they kill Section 230, and your ever-helpful Government Almighty does the "moderation" for you!
(Kinda like, you think medical care is expensive now? Just wait and see it when it is "free"!)
"So Overt, what’s your “fix”? "
Notice that this is always SQRLSY's MO. Change the subject. Change the subject. Change the subject.
Will he cop to being wrong all this time? No, he will demand we answer irrelevant questions in order to distract from the fact that people he sympathizes with were being unethical in order to harm the electoral prospects of people he dislikes.
My fix starts with people like SQRLSY being exposed as unethical partisan shills on these message comments. Watch them squirm and obfuscate and distract. Watch them accuse others of ulterior motives. Watch them (erroneously) claim "both sides". And let their spittle-covered rants stand as a testament to what they cannot do.
They cannot admit that people they sympathize with ideologically were acting unethically. They cannot admit that it is Deeply Creepy as Fuck (TM) that a small cabal of these unethical people were able to enforce their message control on a significant part of american media during an election. And so they will never admit that this centralized control represents a significant danger to free society now that the government (that they ideologically sympathize with) has demonstrated the willingness to actively engage in censorship by proxy.
My fix starts with people like SQRLSY and Mike beclowning themselves so much in these thinly veiled partisan screeds that they either hang their heads in shame for how much they've sold out their principles, or at least expose themselves as the partisan shills they are.
Your fix ALSO starts with getting everyone riled up about the HORRIBLE things that the liberals do (which they have done) about TRYING to push the media around, while NOT mentioning the conservatives have done, and are doing, the EXACT same things! If you are going to do this in an ETHICALLY RESPONSIBLE way, you would CONSTANTLY remind your readers that Section 230 is one of the FEW bulwarks that we have, between us and the power-grabbers all around us! Power-grabbers on BOTH sides, yes, absolutely!
"Your fix ALSO starts with getting everyone riled up "
Why don't you want people riled up, SQRLSY? Shouldn't people be riled up that companies they trusted to impartially distribute information were UNETHICALLY violating their own policies? That seems to me to be so outrageous as to be worth a little outrage.
"about the HORRIBLE things that the liberals do (which they have done) about TRYING to push the media around, while NOT mentioning the conservatives have done, and are doing, the EXACT same things!"
1) When a story drops showing "the exact same things", from conservatives, let's talk about that. But right now, the story at hand is fresh proof that a liberal cabal of executives in Big Tech were unethically using their power to affect the outcome of an election. Yet despite that being THE STORY OF THE DAY, you keep wanting to change the subject to BOTH SIDES.
2) But ok, you said it: EXACT SAME THINGS. Well show me. Where are the emails showing that high level executives within major social media companies were unethically working to affect an election for conservatives? Or are you going to share old news about Trump blathering bullshit and calling that the "exact same"?
"you would CONSTANTLY remind your readers that Section 230 is one of the FEW bulwarks that we have,"
You mean you want to change the subject. For this story, 230 is a digression at best, or a smoke screen at worst. This story is about big tech companies using their disproportionate control over discourse to unethically affect the outcome of an election. Whether they have a right to do that (via 230) or not is not germane right now. And the fact that you want to keep changing that subject makes you the shill, not me.
"Power-grabbers on BOTH sides, yes, absolutely!"
Right but only one set of power grabbers was just shown to be ACTIVELY succeeding right now, and it is odd that that doesn't make you very angry. You are angry at Orange Man in Mar A Lago. You are angry at me for not saying 230 every five seconds. But you cannot spare a moment of outrage for people actually caught unethically fucking with free expression. And you cannot spare a moment of outrage for the Biden administration actually engaging in censorship by proxy.
So protest all you want about 230. Everyone reading this knows what your game is. You don't care that liberals unethically used their power to interfere in an election. You don't care that the Biden Government *right now* is engaging in censorship by proxy. Not threatening to. Not shouting about it to the media- actually engaging in censorship.
Oh, you'll say it isn't a good thing to be sure, but you'll always change the subject back to how you can be outraged at icky deplorables. It's transparently obvious what game you are playing, and no one is buying it, SQRLSY.
I've carefully read all of your words here, and I still do NOT know what you want your readers to actually DO with the outrage that you want them to feel! Boycott Twitter and FacePoooo? I'm with you! I already do that! NOT vote for politicians who want to kill Section 230? Or ditto for those who would abuse anti-trust laws? I am with you! I vote for libertarians, which is the ONLY relatively CLEAN party with respect to these things!
That you dismiss the blatherings of Trump is a bit telling... He'll do the exact same things again if we're stupid enough to elect him again, you know... How about Josh Hawley and HIS threats against Section 230? https://slate.com/technology/2019/06/josh-hawley-section-230-cda-internet-speech-conservatives.html ... Josh is still in power, and a serious THREAT to free speech! I Josh you not!
Your lopsided denial of the truth of "both sides" being offenders here reveals your TRUE motives and TRUE so-called proposed "fix", IMHO... You want us all to think that ONE side is to be blamed for it all, and go on a righteous right-wing pussy-grabbing spree! Boycotting and voting do NOT seem to be enough for you! (Else you could make that VERY clear.)
So go out and vote, and boycott! But don't egg on the enemies of free speech, and the enemies of Section 230, which are one and the same!
"I’ve carefully read all of your words here, and I still do NOT know what you want your readers to actually DO with the outrage that you want them to feel!"
I want them to vote with their feet and leave this company, or support (and monitor) the promises of the guy who agrees this is unacceptable and wants to change it for the better.
I also wouldn't mind it if they would spare some scorn for people like yourself who scream "NOTHING TO SEE HERE! DON'T GET OUTRAGED PEOPLE!"
Because it was the dissembling of people like yourself who continue to handwave and excuse the behavior of Lefty corporations that have put us in the mess we are- where people on the right think the only way to get a fair shake at these big tech companies is to punish them.
You are part of the problem. You have the temerity to tell these people that Twitter ain't doing nothing wrong; that they were totes justified burying the laptop story; and that any suggestion of Twitter or google or facebook bias is conservative paranoia. You are doing that.
So what do those people do? They realize that lefty-sympathizers like yourself will never condemn the behavior of these unethical people- and that in fact you will mock them for their trouble. And so- SURPRISE! They stop listening to you.
Read the words you wrote. You literally wrote that you don't want those stupid people to get riled up, so I shouldn't be telling it like it is. Instead (I guess) I need to be telling them they are paranoid when emails and current reporting tells them they were actually right.
They are fully authorized to stop listening to me if they want to. I never said otherwise.
When are YOU going to acknowledge that BOTH SIDES are offenders? I have already done that, PLENTY of times! When are YOU going to acknowledge that there are 1.14 billion web sites on the planet? CRY SOME MORE about your TOTAL lack of access to WHICHEVER lies you want to hear!
What next, shall we cry when all media sites will NOT fall all over themselves, to IMMEDIATELY report on ALL of the latest lies (which she will tell IN COURT no less) from Sidney Powell?
https://reason.com/2022/02/11/sidney-powell-disowns-her-kraken-saying-she-is-not-responsible-for-her-phony-story-of-a-stolen-election/ (Yet another Powell article)
https://reason.com/2021/03/23/sidney-powell-says-shes-not-guilty-of-defamation-because-no-reasonable-person-would-have-believed-her-outlandish-election-conspiracy-theory/
Sidney Powell Says She’s Not Guilty of Defamation Because ‘No Reasonable Person’ Would Have Believed Her ‘Outlandish’ Election Conspiracy Theory
Which particular lies are you wanting to hear and believe today, hyper-partisan Wonder Child?
"When are YOU going to acknowledge that BOTH SIDES are offenders? I have already done that, PLENTY of times! When are YOU going to acknowledge that there are 1.14 billion web sites on the planet? CRY SOME MORE about your TOTAL lack of access to WHICHEVER lies you want to hear!"
There you go again, with the dissembling.
1) I have criticized both sides. I have criticized DeSantis for using government action to silence free speech. Just below, I said that if Trump actually tried to shut down social media companies it would be wrong. The problem you have to grapple with is that he didn't do anything but bloviate.
2) Your appeal to "both sides" is telling. You claimed that the right had engaged in "the exact same things". And you still have not provided proof. So where is it? Your post of hawley is not the same thing. Nor was your post of Trump. Now either you actually refuse to understand what happened at twitter, or you think that no one here will actually look at the links you sent.
You are wrong SQRLSY- the exact same thing did not happen on the right. The companies which overwhelmingly dominate the market for information sharing unethically betrayed the trust of their customers for partisan gain. Complaining about Hawley's threats is not the same thing. This is its own thing, and should be condemned. But you can't do that. All you can do is wail about both sides. Because you are a transparently partisan and shrill lefty-bot. It's pathetic.
3) Your "billions of searches" claim is another canard. You have moved on from "both sides do it" (which, for the record is not true) to "it wasn't consequential". Who are you kidding? That's like saying "It doesn't matter that the only 3 networks on TV were lying about this, because you could have talked to people at the bar!" You know for a fact that these media companies have overwhelming market share. And they cheated using that market power.
4) ANd I note again that you are implying that the Biden laptop story was all lies. You have trudged up questions that were asked and answered 10 months ago. And now you just yell "lies lies lies" at the top of your lungs. You won't acknowledge that the NYT validated this story since then. You won't acknowledge that sources in the government have acknowledged that the laptop was real, and that they have their own that sidesteps the "forensic mess" obfuscation you've been trying to traffic.
All you are doing is stomping and stomping, and screaming, "PLEASE PEOPLE! Don't talk about how partisan Democrats unethically abused your trust and the trust of their customers! PLEASE! I want to talk about Trump! Please let's talk about Trump. Trump was soooooo bad. And he was so bad, that you shouldn't care about what Twitter did."
What a hack.
Shouldn’t all of this be posted under Sarcasmic, not SQRLSY?
Overt: "The problem you have to grapple with is that he (Trump) didn’t do anything but bloviate."
Overt believes that the below is just "Trump bloviating"... Boys will be boys. Ignore their harmless jokes and playing.
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/28/863932758/stung-by-twitter-trump-signs-executive-order-to-weaken-social-media-companies
Stung By Twitter, Trump Signs Executive Order To Weaken Social Media Companies
And now we have this: Latest breaking news… TRUMP WILL SAVE US ALL by killing, not just Section 230, but also, the USA cunts-tits-tuition!!!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
Trump calls for the termination of the Constitution in Truth Social post
MIGHT MAKES RIGHT, and the right-wing wrong-nuts will make it ALL right! TRUST IN US, they say!!!
Overt will keep on trying to get us to "fix it all" by lynching twitter (never mind that there's 1.14 billion web sites on the planet that are accessible), while excusing Trump. Wow, what a balanced viewpoint! After the Triumph of the Will of The TrumptatorShit, and the demise of that worthless USA Constitution, just as Trump called for the punishment of those (like Twitter) who DARE to add comments questioning Trump's comments, I will be some sort of criminal for adding my questioning, doubtful comments to the comments of Trump... AND of Overt. And I MUST be some sort of LEFTIST (not the libertarian that I am) for QUESTIONING all of this! Wow! Just WOW!!!
"Overt believes that the below is just “Trump bloviating”… Boys will be boys. Ignore their harmless jokes and playing."
Nope. Put up or shut up. I'll ask you one more time:
Where are the emails showing that high level executives within major social media companies were unethically working to affect an election for conservatives?
Seriously- how can you go through life being such a dishonest hack. You insist that conservatives did the "Exact Same thing" and when asked to provide proof, you twist and turn. Do you really have any sense of shame, or are you so deluded to thinking you are right that it means never having to back up what you scream?
For the record, Trump's bloviating and executive order that even NPR said was "Political theater" is not the "EXACT SAME THING". Those were your words- that Conservatives did the EXACT SAME THING. Even if his executive order had been able to impact Twitter, it *still* would not be the EXACT SAME THING.
You cannot provide an example, because you know you don't have one- and rather than admit that you were wrong, you keep changing the subject. And this is where your scam is revealed. You don't want people to believe "both sides". You want people to ignore the actions of the left and focus on Trump.
The left did something UNIQUELY bad here. And rather than spend a even a moment contemplating what it means for a cabal of elites to so thoroughly and unethically use their market dominance in a partisan attempt to subvert an election, you want to IMMEDIATELY shift the subject to Trump. It is so obvious that you will do ANYTHING to avoid having to criticize your team, SQRLSY. This puts you in the bizarre and crazy position of calling people disingenuous for talking about the subject of this article, rather than changing the subject.
So please do fuck off with your "But Trump" bullshit. When you can provide me an example of "The exact same thing" from trump or conservatives, I will engage you again on this subject. Until then, we will let your squirming and protests stand for themselves as the utter hypocritical and shameful debasement of your character that they are.
"When you can provide me an example of “The exact same thing” from trump or conservatives..."
Sounds a LOT like "qualified immunity" to me! The LAST time a cop unfairly killed an innocent, unarmed person, the cop was 5 pounds heavier than this time, and the weather was drier! So the courts will let the cops slide yet AGAIN!
I have REPEATEDLY given you links to news about Trump bullying media corporations, but this is somehow "different" than what Biden has done! And I have been defending Section 230, NOT Biden! THAT much has been clear for all to see!
I don't know WHAT the tally is for how many media corporate-types, of WHAT political flavors, plot and scheme, how much! I wasn't there to see it! And you weren't either! Do you know anything about honesty and (especially) HUMILITY? You saw ALL the right-leaning media-types NOT doing it; NEVER doing it? You personally SAW them NOT doing it?!?! JFC!
Humility is a MUCH underappreciated virtue! See this: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/12/27/army-has-introduced-new-leadership-value-heres-why-it-matters.html Even in a supposedly “proud” profession, wise leaders treasure humility!
The bottom line remains: Twitter is privately owned, and NOT a branch of Government Almighty! BOTH SIDES of Government Almighty lust after killing S-230 and taking over control of the media's rights and properties, for NO good reasons! We gather lynch mobs against Twitter while ignoring the power-lusting power pigs of BOTH SIDES at our own peril!
Twitter got caught blocking users in what looks to be a case of bad judgment... Depending on who you ask! Twitter under Elon is now blocking "Ye" (Kanye West) and his Jew-hating... Jew-haters are now gonna hate on Elon! In any case, Elon's property is Elon's property.
Parler does the same thing! Under pressure from CONSERVATIVE politicians maybe?!?! (Or maybe Parler does what it wants to do anyway, and finds excuses). WHERE are Overt's tears about THAT?
Parler censors liberals, Techdirt, https://www.techdirt.com/2020/06/29/as-predicted-parler-is-banning-users-it-doesnt-like/
Again, sqlsy likes fascism. He’ll defend it till the end.
If there is any poster on Reason who hears voices, it is probably SQRLSY.
He is either an excellent performance artist, or clinically insane.
Leftists know they are lying, evil, totalitarian scumbags who desire nothing more than to ruin your life.
They don't care.
They don't care because they know the rules won't be applied to them, but your morality and the rules will protect them from you.
But sure, just vote harder next time.
Overt, these people are sociopaths. And sociopaths have no shame, or empathy. Being a leftist is ideal for them, because leftism let’s amoral, brutal, lying sociopaths thrive. As the left has zero principals.
You resent the hell out of the fact that many other people are flat-out, better, more honest people than you are, right? More “live and let live”, and WAAAY less authoritarian?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-love-and-war/201706/why-some-people-resent-do-gooders
From the conclusion to the above…
These findings suggest that we don’t need to downplay personal triumphs to avoid negative social consequences, as long as we make it clear that we don’t look down on others as a result.
SQRLSY back here now… So, I do NOT want you to feel BAD about YOU being an authoritarian asshole, and me NOT being one! PLEASE feel GOOD about you being an evil, lying asshole! You do NOT need to push me (or other REAL lovers of personal liberty) down, so that you can feel better about being an asshole! EVERYONE ADORES you for being that asshole that you are, because, well, because you are YOU! FEEL that self-esteem, now!
The libs don't have to try to push the media around. Just like trump didn't need to try to set up any active collusion with whatever Putin was up to in 2016.
Putin hated HRC for his own reasons, including (but maybe not limited to) the involvement of the U.S. State Department in Ukranian elections in 2014 to sway the vote results away from the candidates who were considered to be aligned with Putin/Russia. Whatever Russia did in the USA in 2016 was going to break against Hillary no matter who her opponent was, and spending effort to coordinate/collude with that activity would be like spending effort to ensure the sun would rise in the East during the months of the campaign; there was never any need to encourage the inevitable.
Just like Putin hated HRC for his own reasons, the US MSM and tech industry (with a handful of isolated exceptions) back the Democrat Party of their own accord. In the last 20 years, there's never been a need for Dems in government to "push the media around" since the people they'd be pushing are going to fall in line with the desired narrative of their own accord without any need for active prompting. There's some backlash against left-leaning voices who choose to question the official party line, as Taibbi knows all too well (as do Glenn Greenwald, Tulsi Gabbard, and a number of other alleged "Russian Assets").
Looks like SQRLSY's deflect and redirect was successful.
This SQRLSY's use of the red herring fallacy descends to the level of grotesque.
"Republicans had the same opportunities to complain" should be crowbarred in there someplace.
Jeff will be here shortly to post the one sentence in the tweet thread proving it was both sides equally requesting Twitter to censor. Everything else released can be ignored. And if you disagree jeff will call you dishonest.
And sarcasmic will start blaming everyone whoever said anything good about Trump or bad about Biden.
Sarc’s life would be so empty without Trump for him to hate.
As would yours without Biden.
So not true. When Biden is cursed it comes from UN-Constitutional policy (treasonous). When Trump is cursed it comes from? His name triggering leftards?
Ha ha ha. So true. Expect for the mean girls to team up on you now.
Nazi, "It's so unfair... Everyone hates us and our Nazi treasonous Power-Mad Dictates. What's wrong with these people."
It's not personal; It's policy.
You’re such a little fucking crybaby cunt. So when ar you coming to Spokane to kick my ass? You were talking tough the other day. You going to back it up? Or ar e you just going to slink back to your refrigerator box and pass out again?
Nice try. But no, if Biden were removed from office, tried for treason, convicted, and executed, I wouldn’t give him much thought after that, Obama got away with his crimes and I barely ever bring him up.
I just don’t want these people destroying my country. And they insist on doing just that.
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/27/863011399/trump-threatens-to-shut-down-social-media-after-twitter-adds-warning-on-his-twee
Trump Threatens To Shut Down Social Media After Twitter Adds Warning To His Tweets
Democrat politicians demanding censorship and Cover-up operations for the Left coming with proof ........ but lo and behold here comes SQRLSY to the rescue, "But Trump threatened to stop it!" lol...
You just added a fact-check note to my notes!!! That means that you are engaging in CENSORSHIT!!! Government Almighty, PROTECT me from ALL of this CensorShit, PLEASE! HELP!!!
Who is surprised by this 2020 statement from Trump?
"Republicans feel that Social Media Platforms totally silence conservatives voices," Trump tweeted Wednesday morning. "We will strongly regulate, or close them down, before we can ever allow this to happen."
Put it in the "why we have the First Amendment" file...
Gonna flog that cherry for all it's worth, TDS-addled shit?
Aren't you gonna call it "Fake News"?
Nope. Because there's truth in, "Republicans feel that Social Media Platforms totally silence conservatives voices"
Fake News would be pretending otherwise against the mountains of evidence to the contrary.
This is like focusing on "a well regulated militia" and ignoring "shall not be infringed"...
But Trump threatened to stop the censorship???.... /s
Criminal defenses are in full effect in this thread.
"Censorship debacle" is a pretty tame way of describing a political party using corporate power to circumvent the 1st amendment and silence the press and citizens from discussing a scandal that they knew was true. I'd say "overtly fascist rigged election" is more accurate.
I haven’t read the Taibbi thread yet, but have heard a couple summaries. Isn’t the story that Twitter voluntarily decided to suppress the story on its own, so there was no “political party using corporate power”…
"Isn’t the story that Twitter voluntarily decided to suppress the story on its own, so there was no “political party using corporate power”…"
There's no power play involved when left leaning content moderators effectively do the bidding of the party they favor. It's just collaboration behind the scenes. The government is already known to contact companies like FB and Google take user content down, and internal emails show the mod team mostly obliged.
The fact that a couple sane people raised objection is moot point. They were overruled by Twitter's company wide culture and agenda. Twitter retroactively used hacking material violation to block the NYP Biden story, but let hackers post private info of freedom convoy protesters.
To address your point - no, Twitter wasn't threatened by the government to block the story (others claim they were). They "voluntarily" suppressed an accurate story because they were motivated by bias and running the story would have almost certainly hurt the party they were loyal to. Semantics isn't going to change the fact that Twitter was a lapdog of the democrat party.
To address your point – no, Twitter wasn’t threatened by the government to block the story (others claim they were).
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More like the threatening happened over the phone or in person so there's no trail, but Taibbi didn't explain how the INITIAL decision was made at all -- only the excuse they gave after.
In the absence of any evidence of any actual evidence, your mind simply manufactures it. Neat.
"Biden Administration's Admission They're Flagging Content to Facebook Sparks Furor"
https://www.newsweek.com/biden-administrations-admission-theyre-flagging-content-facebook-sparks-furor-1610257
Question:
Does TDS make gullible shits stupid, or do you have to be a stupid, gullible shit to get TDS?
You seem to have missed the fact that Elvis was referring to a particular incident on Twitter, and you're responding with something which occurred later on Farcebook.
Nice try, Scato.
LOL yes this is obviously a wild conspiracy theory with no real-world reason to think it's the case.
https://nypost.com/2022/08/26/zuckerberg-blames-fbi-for-censoring-the-posts-hunter-biden-scoop/
Facebook suppressed The Post’s blockbuster revelation of Hunter Biden’s infamous laptop in response to a vague FBI warning about possible “Russian propaganda” tied to the 2020 presidential election, according to founder Mark Zuckerberg.
The tech billionaire and Meta CEO made the stunning claim during a wide-ranging, nearly three-hour interview in which he also admitted to podcaster Joe Rogan that he regretted the move and admitted that “it sucks.”
“Basically, the background here is the FBI, I think, basically came to us — some folks on our team — and was like, ‘Hey, just so you know, like, you should be on high alert,'” Zuckerberg said on Thursday’s episode of “The Joe Rogan Experience.”
To be clear, Mike is gaslighting here.
The whole point of the thread is that political parties had access to the censorship arm of Twitter. That included the Biden camp and the Trump Camp. But Taibbi makes clear that the DNC had far more access than conservatives.
What Mike is doing here is muddying the waters. Over the last few weeks, evidence has come out that the Democrat Controlled government was using its powers to compel private companies to censor content. So he is riffing on that story, saying that there is no evidence that the democrat controlled government (which didn’t exist in 2020) was calling the shots here.
He is using two different accusations against one another.
1) The first accusation is that Twitter was capriciously and politically censoring content in favor of Democrats. (Not illegal, but flies in the face of folks like him who insisted that such theories were conservative fever dreams.)
2) The second accusation is that after Biden got into power, he was using his power to force all of Big Tech to censor content in favor of government (and therefore Democrats). (Totally illegal and unconstitutional, and also flies in the face of people like him who months ago were insisting this was conservative conspiracy theory.)
These are not mutually exclusive accusations. In fact they are pieces in a larger puzzle about how the Democratic party has weaponized their influence in big tech to gain and then to cement their power.
Now we can fairly say that at this time, that censoring democrat-damaging info was within Twitter’s rights as a private company- they were not following the orders of a government, merely being despicable partisan bitches. But just because they had a right to censor how they pleased doesn’t make it good for the public or their follow-on lies about their actual actions.
These tweets make clear that: A) The DNC and Biden campaign had disproportionate access to the levers of censorship within Twitter. B) Twitter was claiming all sorts of nonsense to justify what was clearly doing the bidding of the DNC and Biden campaign. (Nonsense that people like Mike happily parroted as truth) c) All the people who claimed any sort of justification other than “Team Blue FTW!” were lying, and complicit in a coverup that wasn’t illegal, but was dishonest and shady AF.
Mike doesn’t want people to understand this, because the last thing he wants to do is agree that the conservatives were right here. But also, Mike is a troll, so it really doesn’t matter what he says.
So WHAT IS YOUR FIX, Overt? You SAY you support Section 230, but it sounds to me like you are doing your best to rile everyone up, to get them to MAKE THE LIBERALS CRY when their moderation isn’t perfect!
BOTH SIDES do these kinds of things, you know!
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/27/863011399/trump-threatens-to-shut-down-social-media-after-twitter-adds-warning-on-his-twee
Trump Threatens To Shut Down Social Media After Twitter Adds Warning To His Tweets
Section 230 and moderation as is actually practiced isn’t perfect, many say, so burn it all down! Voting for Trump ain’t perfect either, so let’s burn THAT down!
Overt, can you TOLERATE people who are so imperfect that they get abortions that you don’t approve of? And NOT pound the drums for PUNISHMENT? Can you TOLERATE web site owners who are NOT perfect in their moderation policies, and NOT pound the drums? Could you speak words of PEACE AND TOLERANCE? It’s gonna sound more than a bit hollow when Government Almighty tears down Section 230, and you say, “well, I never meant to encourage them to do THAT!!!”
A PLEA FOR MORE TOLERANCE: Some folks “get it” enough (especially when nagged, when called on it) will say, “Well, no, I do NOT advocate punishing, with government force, and laws, those who get or give abortions”, and I say, well, good for YOU! But they insist on continuing to say that abortion is morally-ethically WRONG! If they do so gently and respectfully, once again, I say, good for you! That’s free speech! But now we have to be careful. Shades and degrees, you know…
Analogies: I teach my kid(s) day after day, that “Gays and trans people violate God’s Will, and Mother Nature! They are despicable, unnatural, and EVIL!” Then I am utterly SHOCKED (shocked, I say; SHOCKED!) when reports come home from school, that my kid(s) harass and bully the CRAP out of those that I have called EVIL?!? “Hey, kid, I never told you to BULLY them!!!” Falls kinda flat…
Dark Ages Europe (and America as well; see Salem Witch Trials): Pre-Christian WITCHES are EVIL! They cause crop failures, human diseases, drinking the blood of the Christian babies, and stillborn livestock!!! GOD HIMSELF causes witches to BURN IN HELL forever!!! (That’s what I said.) Then I am SHOCKED (shocked, I say; SHOCKED!) when my neighbors burn the accused witches!!! I never said that we should do THAT!!! Once again… Falls kinda flat! Morally, ethically, and (dare we add) spiritually advanced humanoids CAREFULLY watch their words as well as their deeds!
I've already told you my fix. Hold Democrat Politicians responsible for violating the 1st Amendment and abridging the press. The law is there; it was violated. The evidence is widely available and undeniable.
Butt Parler will get a special pass, right?
Parler censors liberals, Techdirt, https://www.techdirt.com/2020/06/29/as-predicted-parler-is-banning-users-it-doesnt-like/
ALL of your websites are belong to US, the Government Almighty regulators!!! What could POSSIBLY go wrong?
Humorously you seem to think the US Constitution is a law for Parlor instead of being a Supreme Law over the US government (politicians).
I've always wondered; are you leftards really so misinformed on what the USA is or is it just your criminalistic & treasonous agenda that makes you paint completely and dishonest narratives all day?
So Twitter is part of Government Almighty now? Who did Twitter jail, and who did Twitter fine (property-confiscate)? WHO?
When democrats use their position of authority to demand (backed with unlawful use of gov-guns) private party platforms to censor unwanted material its retarded to play the "not governments fault" game.
That's as stupid as being able to kidnap a person and demand they rob a bank and then claim no responsibility to the crime demanded.
"Republicans feel that Social Media Platforms totally silence conservatives voices," Trump tweeted Wednesday morning. "We will strongly regulate, or close them down, before we can ever allow this to happen."
Unlike Joe Biden, in 2020 when Trump explicitly threatened Twitter et al, he was actually leading the federal government. Gov-guns indeed!
Has Biden (since becoming president), threatened social media platforms in a similar way?
"Unlike Joe Biden, in 2020 when Trump explicitly threatened Twitter et al, he was actually leading the federal government. Gov-guns indeed!
Has Biden (since becoming president), threatened social media platforms in a similar way?"
Do TDS-addled shits live under a rock? Are they stupid enough to believe the rest of us are that stupid?
"Biden Establishes a Ministry of Truth"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-establishes-a-ministry-of-truth-disinformation-governance-board-partisan-11651432312
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Your stupidity doesn't need me to speak for it, but I was referring to something more along the lines of typical 2am Trump Thweat.
If you want to discuss the now-disbanded Disinformation Governance Board, I would agree that even establishing such a body in the government was a grave mistake and should never have been attempted. Not quite the same as the President calling out specific persons and companies for retribution, but definitely not something I would support.
Trump’s retaliation to leftard-politician censorship. Biden paving legislation to a Gov-Gun ministry of truth.
Here we go again with the ‘criminalistic’ defenses. I might of robbed the bank (censored speech); but cops (Trump) violated my ?freedom? to do it.
Democrats play this all the time. They have the instincts of the worst possible people in the world always manipulating and deceiving for stolen resources. Instead of playing fair and honest.
Is it really any wonder the USA is running down the wrong track every-time Democrats run it? The inmates are running the asylum. It shows too; 70% of the prison population are registered Democrats.
New sock Shrike?
...and you're back to singing your old favorite.
"So WHAT IS YOUR FIX, Overt?"
For honest people to stand up and tell the truth: That this was a terrible episode in American history when supposed champions of communication and media betrayed the trust in them and instead used their extensive market power to obfuscate and mislead the public for partisan purposes.
"You SAY you support Section 230, but it sounds to me like you are doing your best to rile everyone up, to get them to MAKE THE LIBERALS CRY when their moderation isn’t perfect!"
Wow, it sounds to me like you are doing your best to confuse this story with irrelevancies. This thread and the released emails show incontrovertible proof of what we suspected all along: Twitter leaders made a partisan decision to limit the spread of a story that was politically damaging TO A DEMOCRAT. They then repeatedly discussed how they could retroactively justify the actions they were taking. These justifications were then used by the media as an excuse to burry the story.
This is a big fucking deal. Not because it is illegal, but because it shows that partisans were in fact running the major lines of information distribution during the 2020 election. And they were using this power to drive election coverage in a partisan manner.
And it is a big fucking deal because it shows conservatives were right when they complained about this regarding Twitter, Facebook, Google, and other social media companies and traditional media that people trust for information in this country.
For some reason you don't want to talk about the implications of the MAJOR media distribution arms being so partisan. Why is that? Do you think people SHOULDN'T consider this information when deciding whether to trust these major sources of information?
"BOTH SIDES do these kinds of things, you know!"
Yeah, no. This is your standard MO. When there is proof about government censorship by proxy, you want to change the subject to section 230. When there is proof that liberals in the most influential social media companies were coordinating with friendly media and the DNC to burry a story that could damage them, you bring up "Well trump threatened social media...". This is not "the same thing". Conservatives do not have almost ubiquitous control over the machinery of information distribution in this country.
Let's be clear: Trump shouldn't shut down social media. Which, you know, he didn't do. And in as much as the only way he could do that would be as a government agent, it would have been immoral, illegal and unconstitutional.
Now can you be clear? You always demand I answer your questions, how about you answer mine?
1) Do you think information like this is important for helping people evaluate whether they should trust the actions of their Information providers? I'm not talking about whether or not conservatives/liberals are bad. I'm talking about evaluating the reliability of information on services like Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc.
2) Does it concern you at all that somehow a small cabal of partisans were able to so thoroughly control the propagation of a media bombshell like this? That this small cabal was then able to orchestrate the shut down of companies (e.g. Parler) who attempted to break their information monopoly?
3) Does it concern you at all that these centralized media distribution properties make a tempting and easier target for government to enforce control of information using censorship by proxy?
4) Was it unethical for these partisan employees at twitter to suppress a damaging story; unethical to then give retroactive justification about hacked materials and disinformation?
For the record, I think they should only be punished by the Public. The public should judge whether they want a bunch of partisan lying liars controlling the content of their social media. But in order for the public to punish them, people like you and Mike (and Soave) need to stop throwing up bullshit smoke screens.
This was political hackery covered by a veneer of impartiality. You can say it was legal. You can say it was within their rights. But don't for a minute say that Trump's "threats" come anywhere close to what was perpetrated by the DNC, Twitter, Facebook and google. Because it doesn't.
"Let’s be clear: Trump shouldn’t shut down social media. Which, you know, he didn’t do."
Trump tried to do that and failed. So did Biden... Tried, and failed! They ARE equal; they ARE peas in pod!
1) Do you think information like this is important for helping people evaluate whether they should trust the actions of their Information providers? I’m not talking about whether or not conservatives/liberals are bad. I’m talking about evaluating the reliability of information on services like Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc.
... More information is ALWAYS helpful! And everyone should be able to access all the lies that they want to hear! That will ALWAYS happen anyway! (It just happens more slowly under authoritarians). I wasn't there eves-dropping, so I don't know for sure, one way or the other, how much or how little political calculus was involved. From what I hear now, it sounds like way too much. HOWEVER, reliable media can and should try to "fence out" the lies, ethically! The sources and reliability of this much-ballyhooed laptop and files were (and are still) highly questionable! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy#:~:text=The%20drive%20contained%20emails%20marked,of%20Hunter%20Biden's%20actual%20laptop.
2) Does it concern you at all that somehow a small cabal of partisans were able to so thoroughly control the propagation of a media bombshell like this? That this small cabal was then able to orchestrate the shut down of companies (e.g. Parler) who attempted to break their information monopoly?
... Sure, that worries me. Government Almighty will give us extremely piss-poor fixes! Cure worse than the disease! Boycott media that you don't trust, is a MUCH better solution! But we'd damned well BETTER also boycott the likes of Alex Jones, with his flat-out LIES! ... Twitter should also be at least partially forgiven for suspecting LIES on and about this laptop, seeing the source of the laptop... AND its condition (of the origin of the files on it)...
3) Does it concern you at all that these centralized media distribution properties make a tempting and easier target for government to enforce control of information using censorship by proxy?
.... Oh, yes, absolutely! Anti-trust should NEVER be applied to media in the days of ??? BILLIONS of web sites being posted! And of course, we need to KEEP Section 230. What we do NOT need is those who pound on the war-drums, getting people riled up, even though we have ALL these literally BILLIONS of sources out there, for ALL the truth and lies (and then more) that we have time to read. The stupid people all around us? They will hear our screeching and yammering, and DEMAND that Government Almighty DOOOO something about it! Starting with killing Section 230 and taking away our free speech rights!
4) Was it unethical for these partisan employees at twitter to suppress a damaging story; unethical to then give retroactive justification about hacked materials and disinformation?
Unethical I highly suspect, yes. Not illegal. So boycott twitter, but don't hand any pitchforks and torches to the already-riled-up troglodytes who LOVE Government Almighty... When it is on THEIR side! And as I keep on saying, those who are utterly ignorant about history and human nature? They think that they can pussy-grab the "enemy", and the "enemy" will NEVER think of pussy-grabbing them right back! What comes around, goes around! You reap what you sow! Always, eventually!
"Trump tried to do that and failed. "
How? How did he "try"?
"So did Biden… Tried, and failed!"
This is not the charge against the Biden Administration. The charge against the Biden Administration is that they pressured and induced social media companies to remove content. And this actually happened. So no matter what you think the intentions of Biden or Trump, the fact is that the Biden Administration did achieve what they tried to do. They are not equivalent, and your attempts to say otherwise are shameful.
"And everyone should be able to access all the lies that they want to hear! "
What a cute little bit of spinning. This is tiresome and transparent from you. When the story is SPECIFICALLY about lefty partisans being unethical, you want to generalize this to be about how everyone (but especially conservatives) is bad. And when the story is SPECIFICALLY about Twitter suppressing a true story, you want to generalize it to be about information in general. Even lies.
And so you now you want to throw up a bunch of fear and doubt about the Biden laptop. Who do you think you are kidding? The New York Times has authenticated the materials from the laptop. It is well accepted that the laptop story is true and you are now regurgitating the same nonsense that people were throwing up a year ago. It's sad.
"What we do NOT need is those who pound on the war-drums, getting people riled up, even though we have ALL these literally BILLIONS of sources out there, for ALL the truth and lies (and then more) that we have time to read. The stupid people all around us?"
Ahh. So people should get all the information...except the information that you find to be dangerous to "stupid people".
Let me clue you in: The idea that you might ever guide "the stupid people" terrifies me. Your instincts for what makes good society don't belong in a freakshow carnival or insane asylum, let alone the country at large.
You think people who don't agree with your whackadoodle screeds are stupid. They are not stupid- they are sane, and so your attempts to distract, obfuscate and redirect to keep those people from gettin all riled up are the misplaced delusions of a narcissistic lunatic.
“Trump tried to do that and failed. ”
How? How did he “try”?
Can you READ and comprehend what is reported to you?
HOW MANY TIMES need I repeat this?
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/27/863011399/trump-threatens-to-shut-down-social-media-after-twitter-adds-warning-on-his-twee
Trump Threatens To Shut Down Social Media After Twitter Adds Warning To His Tweets
Hey Overt! You added comments to MY comments that dispute my facts!!! Trump-style, I must now accuse you of dumping your CENSORSHIT on me, and violating my free speech! And DEMANDING that you be SHUT DOWN! And DIE-DIE-DIE, free speech and Section 230, because MY pussy-grabbing is FAR more important than free speech! WHY can't you see the fascism of BOTH SIDES? Because you envision "eternal victory" for YOUR tribe, right, right-wing wrong-nut?
For all ideological hard-core warmongers everywhere…
So ye lust after the utter, eternal destruction of the “D” team, and the eternal victory of the “R” team? (The inverse kind of ideological idiot exists also, but not so much, on these pages = specifically where I sometimes comment, at https://reason.com/latest/ ).
“R” team likes to demonize “D” team? Biden is going to outlaw the internal combustion engine, tomorrow, to “Make American Green Again”? The NEW MAGA? Bullshit, demonizers!
“D” team likes to say that the next “R” POTUS (Alex Jones maybe?) will outlaw ALL abortion, and birth control? And turn ALL women into enslaved baby-making machines, because every sperm is sacred? Bullshit, demonizers!
All is for The Hive… The Tribe-Nation… Or, All is for the Individual, and you may NOT (of your own supposed “free will”) join a VOLUNTARY commune?! There can be NO compromise, traitors!!!
The males must UTTERLY DEFEAT the females, who must NEVER speak again!
Yin must smash Yang, till Yang exists no more!
Creation must smash destruction! NO eggs may be broken, for making omelets!
Life must rule over death, and NO ONE may die, to make room for the new living! No matter HOW old and decrepit they get! YOU MAY NOT DIE!!!
Do you ideological idiots NOT see that “R” v/s “D” falls into the same category? You would destroy it ALL (multi-party democracy, “balance”) in the name of your POWER PIG FANTASIES!!!
The ONLY way that ye will get your “ultimate victory” is in the DEATH OF IT ALL!!! The new POTUS, Alex Jones, will declare Nuclear War for the Ultimate Victory… And yin and yang, male and female, “D” and “R”, individual v/s tribe… they all ARE NO MORE!!!
Are you HAPPY now, ideological idiots and power-lusters?!!?
(Sorry if that was “in your face”, but I hope that my point has been made).
"Can you READ and comprehend what is reported to you?"
That says Trump "threatens". Do you know the difference between "threatening" to do something and "Trying" to do something? If so, maybe you can "try again" to back up your words with proof. What did Trump try to do? Where is the proof of what he tried to do?
Did they teach reading comprehension to you in grade school?
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/27/863011399/trump-threatens-to-shut-down-social-media-after-twitter-adds-warning-on-his-twee
Trump Threatens To Shut Down Social Media After Twitter Adds Warning To His Tweets
You just questioned my post! You added a warning to what I wrote! You should be SHUT DOWN by Government Almighty fiat, per Trump!
WHAT WILL IT TAKE for you to get a divorce from Your Fearless Trump?
Latest breaking news… TRUMP WILL SAVE US ALL by killing, not just Section 230, but also, the USA cunts-tits-tuition!!!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
Trump calls for the termination of the Constitution in Truth Social post
MIGHT MAKES RIGHT, and the right-wing wrong-nuts will make it ALL right! TRUST IN US, they say!!!
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/28/863932758/stung-by-twitter-trump-signs-executive-order-to-weaken-social-media-companies
Stung By Twitter, Trump Signs Executive Order To Weaken Social Media Companies
Is an executive odor enough to convince you that where there's odor, there's often some TrumptatorShit? To ME (unless they are ALL out to GET me, and LIE to me, about ALL of shit!), there's this: “Something is rotten in the state of Denmark”.
Smells like TrumptatorShit to me!
"Did they teach reading comprehension to you in grade school?"
Yes. Let's see if you are capable. I said "Trump should not shut down social media." You said he tried. None of the links say he tried to shut down social media. They say he threatens. They say he penned an executive order that was "political theater". So...er...you have shown your inability to actually read here, not me.
His executive order did one thing: ordered the FCC to examine conditions under which a social media site should lose section 230 protections.
1) I think this was wrong.
2) It is not "trying" to shut down social media. It is attempting to cow them into accepting his point of view. It is wrong. And it was unsuccessful.
3) The Biden Administration has "tried" and "Succeeded" to do this. They have ACTUALLY succeeded in getting social media companies to censor content they don't like. But all you want to talk about is Trump. Why is that?
But once again, you can't help yourself. I will note again that the left did something uniquely odious during the 2020 election: Self declared champions of communication and media betrayed the trust in them and instead used their extensive market power to obfuscate and mislead the public for partisan purposes.
That is an issue worth discussing, and the fact that you REFUSE to talk about it, and instead bring up trump shows that you are broken SQRLSY. And everyone here can see it.
Both Trump and Biden have lusted after using Government Almighty to PUNISH media-types who do not OBEY! They have BOTH failed! I have yet to hear you (or anyone else) cite ANY media types who have been fined or jailed for disobeying. Period! WHERE are the victims?
That some media types are craven and caved in to pressures? Or used this as an excuse to do what they already wanted to do? Their bad, not ours. Boycott them! If enough of us boycott them, problems are solved! Go to some of the 1.14 BILLION other web sites that are available!
Using all of this to say "Trump pure in heart; Twitter and Democrats should get ALL of the blame" won't go far, except in Trumpland, where you are "preaching to the choir", with all of the hordes of Trumpalos who show up right here! I seriously doubt that you're doing much good with all of this...
So Trump lusting after the death of S-230 is OK by you... Because He's of the RIGHT tribe? The below OK by you too?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
https://dancingthroughtherain.com/when-people-show-you-who-they-are-believe-them/ Dr. Maya Angelou once said, “When people show you who they are, believe them the first time.”
Trump is telling us YET AGAIN that He’s a Perfect Power Pig Asshole! WHEN are we gonna actually, finally LISTEN UP?
"Ahh. So people should get all the information…except the information that you find to be dangerous to “stupid people”."
I never said that, I said that there are billions of web sites out there! Let the ETHICAL PEOPLE (which clearly excludes YOU) decide which lies and war-drums that they will pound on! And let web site owners make their OWN decisions! Number of web sites existing today... Currently, there are around 1.14 billion websites in the World. https://siteefy.com/how-many-websites-are-there/ Now CRY SOME MORE to us all about how TWITTER-TWATTER and FacePooo exercise a stranglehold on ALL of our information! (If only TRUMP were in charge and at large, He would FIX it all for us, right?)
“What we do NOT need is those who pound on the war-drums, getting people riled up… The stupid people all around us? They will hear our screeching and yammering, and DEMAND that Government Almighty DOOOO something about it!”
This was the reason that you said I shouldn’t be vilifying Twitter for unethical behavior. Because even if it was bad- which you still won’t outright acknowledge- it means that stupid people will get riled up and demand government action. You are advocating against taking an ethical stand, and justifying it on the basis that you know what information is best for stupid people. Don’t try to hide it. It is right there in your (ehem) prose.
Instead of sheltering those "stupid people" from the truth, it's time to start with one unambiguous step- For honest people to stand up and tell the truth: That this was a terrible episode in American history when supposed champions of communication and media betrayed the trust in them and instead used their extensive market power to obfuscate and mislead the public for partisan purposes.
If only Trump was still in power, issuing orders, telling privately owned web sites what to do and what NOT to do! EVERYTHING found on the Hunter Biden laptop is REAL... 'Cause Trump told us so! TRUST IN TRUMP!
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/28/863932758/stung-by-twitter-trump-signs-executive-order-to-weaken-social-media-companies
Stung By Twitter, Trump Signs Executive Order To Weaken Social Media Companies
And another 1.14 billion web sites will NOT fix it for us! That is NOT enough other choices! Trump must help us to LYNCH TWITTER!
Hey look everyone: Example 1 Bajillion that SQRLSY is a dishonest partisan hack.
He can't do a simple thing. He cannot admit that this was a terrible episode in American history when supposed champions of communication and media betrayed the trust in them and instead used their extensive market power to unethically obfuscate and mislead the public for partisan purposes.
We can't talk about that, because it might send the wrong message to stupid people. We have to talk about Trump. Only Trump. To talk about anything but Trump worries SQRLSY. Don't care about Biden. Don't care about the actions of ANYONE but Trump. Because Trump is the only problem with america, and talking about him endlessly is the only way to save this country.
SQRLSY said it, so let's get on with it.
Astute readers can see that I am defending S-230, NOT Biden!
Twitter got caught blocking users in what looks to be a case of bad judgment… Depending on who you ask! Twitter under Elon is now blocking “Ye” (Kanye West) and his Jew-hating… Jew-haters are now gonna hate on Elon! In any case, Elon’s property is Elon’s property.
Parler does the same thing! Under pressure from CONSERVATIVE politicians maybe?!?! (Or maybe Parler does what it wants to do anyway, and finds excuses). WHERE are Overt’s crocodile tears about THAT? Hey Overt! After we lynch Twitter, are you OK with lynching Parler too? Or is "both sides" an evil, dastardly, unbalanced, and anti-tribal idea, which must be BANNED?
Parler censors liberals, Techdirt, https://www.techdirt.com/2020/06/29/as-predicted-parler-is-banning-users-it-doesnt-like/
Actually government pressuring companies to act in a manner government is not allowed to is illegal and unconstitutional. Government resources were used to assist this censorship under the guise of censorship that included regulatory threats.
Yes, Trump used government resources to do what he did, clearly! So he should be PUNISHED for that!
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/27/863011399/trump-threatens-to-shut-down-social-media-after-twitter-adds-warning-on-his-twee
Trump Threatens To Shut Down Social Media After Twitter Adds Warning To His Tweets
JesseAZ, yes. That part of the story remains untold. That is, the involvement of the FBI and other agencies in colluding with social media platforms to censor. It will come out.
The FBI needs drastic reduction, and narrowing of scope.
It was 32 posts. Youre that intellectually lazy you couldn't read it before posting? But you had enough time to get narratives and takeaways about it to spew narratives?
Lol
Dahyum!
Brutal, bruh!
His first impulse was to figure how how to spin the information, not understand the information. It is pathetic.
Haha for 3 years claimed these companies censored on their own accord. Now that the talking point is proven untrue he finds the next defense for the left.
The only actual threat I've seen in this thread was from Trump:
"Republicans feel that Social Media Platforms totally silence conservatives voices," Trump tweeted Wednesday morning. "We will strongly regulate, or close them down, before we can ever allow this to happen."
Did the Biden Administration say something similar?
"The only actual threat I’ve seen in this thread was from Trump:"
Pick them cherries!
That's literally all you do, you fucking scumlord. White trash. How has nobody given you too much fentanyl yet?
You mean like "we are keeping a close watch on what Musk is doing at twitter"?
Yes, like that.
Of course you do Shrike. It’s not like you were ever going to be intellectually honest.
This right here says it all.
Nope, the White House and the DNC were giving them their marching orders. Case closed.
Where, fuckface? Show the evidence, fuckface.
“22. Although several sources recalled hearing about a ‘general’ warning from federal law enforcement that summer about possible foreign hacks, there’s no evidence - that I've seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story. In fact, that might have been the problem...”
Anyway, read the entire Taibbi thread. (It’s not that long.) There was no “political party using corporate power” in the handling of the laptop story.
There was surely the sympathies the Twitter employees involved had for the Democratic Party, but that is personal partisan bias and the First Amendment right of a private sector company.
They should have handled it differently, but they had the right to handle it as they did, and there was no government coercion mentioned in Taibbi’s account.
You are so stupid.
My, what a well-reasoned and convincing argument.
He ain't wrong though...
Yes, Mike Laursen ain't wrong in what he's written above! Well done, Sir!
Thank you.
You're welcome.
I saw what you did there! Now, the utterly BRILLIANT readers like Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer (AKA Mother's Lament, with a Head full of Cement) will KNOW that we're socks of each other!
(Well, maybe she'll react with severe conniption-fits and swear off posting here any more. There's always hope, ya know!)
Wonder who is impersonating me this time.
OMG you're right! I muted the REAL you and the FAKE you stayed put!
Is someone doing the HAIR SPACE Unicode character thing, again?
Who the fuck are you?
This article has more socks in the comments then my sock drawer.
Darn shame too!
And they all seem to be toeing the Party line, as usual.
Let's rephrase that.
Still reasonable?
Voting machine company employees are
Voting machine company employees are WORKING FOR THE GOVERNMENT, under formal written contracts! This is NOT true of privately owned web sites! Do you think that JUST MAYBE this might be a significant difference?
Biden is the Commander in Chief of the USA military, and has the legal right to tell them what to do… So he is also YOUR Commander in Chief, and he COMMANDS you to STOP making totally empty-headed, invalid, emotional-garbage arguments!
I seriously doubt he gives it much thought.
Darn socks!
Sorry (really not)
You're doing a lousy job of political hackery.
Note that Mike picked up on the stupid talking points of lefty journalists last night and spread an incorrect meme. Look carefully at what Taibbi said (emphasis mine):
“Although several sources recalled hearing about a ‘general’ warning from federal law enforcement that summer about possible foreign hacks, there’s no evidence – that I’ve seen – of any government involvement in the laptop story.”
The whole point of that post is that the narrative spread by Twitter- that they were worried about hacked materials- was unsubstantiated. They had received warnings of FOREIGN GOVERNMENT HACKS, but they had no actual evidence of a government being involved in THE LAPTOP STORY.
Mike is lying (again). Read through Taibbi’s posts, and you will absolutely see that NUMEROUS government officials are talking to Twitter executives during this whole thing (ex: “30. …Democratic congressman Ro Khanna reaches out to Gadde…”) This would completely contradict what Taibbi said if Mike were right. But it doesn’t because Taibbi was talking about FOREIGN GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE.
Stretch Overtstrong, lol.
Try using more ALL CAPS to appear more convincing. That usually works.
Sarcasm is wasted on TDS-addled shits.
"Try using more ALL CAPS to appear more convincing. That usually works."
You poor dears, seeing as how you were all incapable of understanding the basic english from Taibbi, it was the best I could do to try and make it plain for you. Next time I'll explore using tools more up your alley- like crayons and finger paints.
Imitation, my dear, imitation...
Fuck off Shrike. Domitian you have some kiddie porn to watch while you jerk off?
...and you're back into your comfort zone.
"I’d say “overtly fascist rigged election” is more accurate."
You mean like THIS?
https://reason.com/2020/12/20/desperate-to-stop-biden-from-taking-office-trump-suggests-military-intervention-voting-machine-seizures-and-appointing-sidney-powell-to-investigate-her-own-fraud-claims/ “Desperate To Stop Biden From Taking Office, Trump Suggests Military Intervention, Voting Machine Seizures, and Appointing Sidney Powell To Investigate Her Own Fraud Claims”… Trump flunkies want to use martial law to hold new elections in swing states that didn’t vote Trump. Use the military to force a do-over where the people didn’t vote for Trump like they were supposed to. Give them a second bite at the apple. And there will be endless do-overs till these wayward slobs do things the RIGHT way, and vote for Der TrumpfenFuhrer!
The below is excellent! It is mostly factual, with VERY little editorializing, in my opinion…
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
But, but, when you're rich they let you do it!
And Hitler grabbed the totalitarian power for his National Socialist plan. Talk about flipping a historical story on it's head.
Which party is full of fan-boys (Hitlers agenda) for National Socialism again?
What did Hitler advertise to win? Almost an item by item list of the democrats platform.
I think we should get Misek's take on this allegation.
You can fill in nicely.
Pretty sure this tool is Shrike.
My Stars! Must these darn socks be so obvious?
If you honestly cannot tell the difference, I feel sorry for you.
There's nothing "disgraceful" whatsoever about Taibbi's reporting.
There is if you understand the job function as supporting left wing politics. Then we see many writers and others on the left understand reporting exactly this way. Then we remember that those who don't feel this way - like Taibbi - have been driven out of their institutions and we recognize it is exactly their rejection of this view of reporting which sets them apart from the vast majority of American journalists.
Taibbi is the leftist who said, in essence, "Wait a minute, let's think this through". Big mistake in suggesting "thought" to cultists. That's all it took for him to become an unperson.
So you have zero familiarity with the fact that he spent the better part of 2 years writing about how 2016 was not hacked by Russians and Trump actually did win? Well that's what happened in real life. Get back to your talking points
I think that's the point he's trying to make. Real journalists are being pushed out because they don't toe the party line.
There re very few real journalists anymore. And none at several major media outlets. They’re mostly media propaganda outlets in service to the DNC. As such they should all be prosecuted for myriad violations of federal election laws.
The fact that every Democrat in Congress, except Khanna, was totally on board with the media's collusion to fix the 2020 election is pretty damning, not surprising at all though.
If the Biden corruption had been fairly reported Trump would have been reelected and Biden would be safely senile in his basement lair.
“If the Biden corruption had been fairly reported Trump would have been reelected”.
Counterfactual not in evidence. Everyone who cared about the laptop story was able to find out all about it. Most people do not get their news from Twitter.
You think the other media was any less biased?
Oh wait, I said "think". Counterfactual not in evidence.
"Everyone who cared about the laptop story was able to find out all about it. Most people do not get their news from Twitter."
You're kidding, right?
The majority of the MSM and the so called intelligence experts all baselessly claimed the Hunter Biden Laptop was russian disinfo. They effectively suppressed the truth, or at least a credible story that deserved scrutiny. Twitter got into the game by just blocking a publication from sharing and amplifying the story on their platform, which is he de facto bulletin board of the world.
Elon's files showed that twitter apparently killed the story first and then retroactively slapped an excuse for that move. Get it now? The fact that you could get the story on Fox News or some blog is not the point here. You understand that, right?
Is there a chance that Trump could have still lost after everyone did their due diligence on the Laptop story. Sure. But again, that's not relevant. What Twitter did amounted to election interference.
“Twitter got into the game by just blocking a publication from sharing and amplifying the story on their platform, which is he de facto bulletin board of the world.”
One might be forgiven if until last week you didn’t think Twitter was the bulletin board of the world. But measuring the category eleven freakout by the blue check class of journalism and celebrities who since 2015 have been assuring the public that Twitter is only one tiny fragment in the pastiche of internet news and communication resources... Until about a week ago… It kind of makes one think that maybe it is the bulletin board of the world.
Nope, it was not and still is not the bulletin board of the world.
You’re right. Not the world, just western media.
Remember. Mike was one of those here blaming Russians about influencing an election over 100k in Facebook ads.
Mike is as disingenuous as they come.
Mike, you are exhibit A in the case against Democrats. No amount of actual conspiracy to steal an election, or subversion of the constitution, or lying, or selling out the country to a Communist dictatorship, or weaponizing the DOJ will deter you from your blind allegiance to the evil ones.
Yet people here still think they can be reasoned with and made to follow law/rules...
I don’t. Think I’ve made that crystal clear for a number of years now. The democrats need to be forced out and their party destroyed. Then we can sort out the key evildoers.
Hard for me to be “Exhibit A” when I’m not a Democrat and don’t vote for Democrats.
It's amazing that you still claim this.
“Counterfactual not in evidence. Everyone who cared about the laptop story was able to find out all about it. Most people do not get their news from Twitter.”
A lot of democrat voters never heard about it because of all the democrat newspapers, democrat media networks, and democrats media websites not covering it, or dismissing it out of hand.
Unless your argument is that to be informed a voter needs to watch/read/ listen to conservative news?
The "Biden corruption" revealed in the laptop files to have consisted of...what, exactly? Some vague allusions to equity participation in a 2017 Chinese business venture which never got off the ground?
The laptop story was supposed to be an "October Surprise", clearly timed to swing the 2020 election in Trump's favor before it could be fully investigated and understood by the public. Twitter et al simply did not wish to be the medium for that plan's success. Can't say I blame them, even if they were hopelessly biased and incompetent to boot.
PrIvAtE cOmPaNy!
So then CLEARLY the "fix" for imperfect moderation is to replace it with PERFECT moderation! TRUMP AND TEAM "R" POLITICIANS volunteer to do it for us!!! What could POSSIBLY go wrong?
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/27/863011399/trump-threatens-to-shut-down-social-media-after-twitter-adds-warning-on-his-twee
Trump Threatens To Shut Down Social Media After Twitter Adds Warning To His Tweets
Ahem!
No comment...
None of this material is groundbreaking; it's already well-known.
And also denied.
Exactly. It’s been denied for quite some time now. Musk and Taibbi just posted the receipts.
Yeah, I don't get the obiwan kenobi hand wave here of "already well known". What was the last two years of denying these facts then?
Not only that, but I don't recall Reason ever doing a real article about the laptop. They never took the time to address all the things revealed from it. Reason was on the side of covering up or ignoring this news and only now is admitting that it is real without addressing the content. So I'd say Soave is being completely deceitful here in saying its old news when he never truly covered it as the news it was.
Some of us think it's been covered far too much.
Us being democrats. We know.
Nobody cares what you think sock.
Go check your student loan balance again.
He’s Sarc, right?
Has he made a reference to mean girls?
Some of us think it’s been covered far too much.
With a pillow.
So are the democrats now ‘Twitter deniers’?
OT: I loved Time saying Jeffries is NOT an election denier, basically, because he's a Democrat and ONLY Trump supporters deny elections.
You know who else did a lot of stuff everyone involved knew was fucked, but they “just followed orders” anyway?
Nazis? The answer is Nazis, right?
BUZZ—thank you for playing.
(P.S. Who?)
Dee ruins every joke she can.
Dee historically makes terrible jokes, is always late on timing, and does asshole things like taking the Gang to a hipster gin bar. That bitch!
Joe Biden?
I'm concerned with point 36.Twitter files continued: "THE FIRST AMENDMENT ISN’T ABSOLUTE”
Szabo’s letter contains chilling passages relaying Democratic lawmakers’ attitudes. They want “more”
moderation, and as for the Bill of Rights, it's "not absolute"
This isn’t news. The Democrats want to force social media not to publish certain information and the Republicans want to force them to publish certain information. Both are transgressions against the social media companies’ rights.
Confirmation of accusations is in fact news dumbass. Youre one of them who pretend democrats are not doing this and constantly asking for cites. Now you have your cite mother fucker.
This story is amazing. All the lefties are acting like the kid with cookie crumbs on his face denying til the end that he snuck a cookie.
And then blaming it on racism.
Jeff was hilarious in the earlier thread. He pulled one sentence from the thread and was claiming it was dishonest if you used information from the other 31 posts. Yelling both sides. Then he brought up trump. Was amazing.
"Republicans feel that Social Media Platforms totally silence conservatives voices," Trump tweeted Wednesday morning. "We will strongly regulate, or close them down, before we can ever allow this to happen."
Accusations like that?
TDS causes gullible shits to post gibberish - imagine my (lack of) surprise.
To a democrat, the only things that are absolute are the democrat agenda, and the democrat narrative.
That's because the thuglicans don't have an agenda, right?
MAGA!
Having NO-MORE 'agendas' for Gov-Guns against people is within itself the VERY BEST plan and only a wanna be dictator would pretend otherwise.
“thuglicans”
Very clever!
Stars is Sarc, right?
Wait, I thought the biggest complaint about Republicans, and their qualifications to govern, is that they have no plan?
Or do you use that only on even-number days?
Sarc, you’re a deluded, drunken, broken, Trump obsessed piece of shit. Trump is the entirety of your spank bank.
“I told you so” – every gun nut who ever said they would come after the first amendment next.
So we’re just gonna tip-toe around the fact that the content moderation team was basically an arm of the Biden campaign? That they were in close contact with handling specific requests made by Joe Biden’s team? And Trump’s official spokesperson got outright banned?
I suppose people who like Twitter are big fans of that stuff, though, so it doesn’t make a big splash.
Mike thinks it’s cool.
Ha ha ha ! You said "think". Counterfactual not in evidence.
Make no mistake, this continued throughout the Biden term.
So elect perfect conservatives who will NEVER do such things!
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/27/863011399/trump-threatens-to-shut-down-social-media-after-twitter-adds-warning-on-his-twee
Trump Threatens To Shut Down Social Media After Twitter Adds Warning To His Tweets
Fighting fire with fire. It is something to lament, but is not surprising.
They also threatened section 230 for the same reasons the Democrats did: to scare the online companies into censoring the way government officials want. For Democrats: censor harrassment! Oh, and start with the harrassing tweets of our political opponents right before an election.
Which was done.
Republicans threatened section 230 if the companies went along with the orders of the Democrats.
Krayt gets it! Good job Krayt!
Such a shame Trump and his minions can't control twitter. But they do have truth social where they can spout all day! Not too many hated liberals will be there to argue with... so not as much fun, huh.
How many “But Trump!” posts do you intend to make?
Fuck off Sarc, every time I think your alcoholic ass hits rock bottom, you continue to dig, maybe we’ll get lucky and you’ll pass out in your alley during some extreme cold weather and nature will take its course.
That story, which was
erroneouslyfraudulently categorized by national intelligence experts as disinformation of dubious and possibly Russian origin to help Brandon win an election…Fixed it!
So we’re just going to paper over the collusion unveiled between top democrats and Twitter execs?
GTFO.
Yeah, the hilarious defenses are going to melt tomorrow when the next batch of shit comes down the pipe. So far I've heard "Biden wasn't even president" and "even Taibbi says no government decision to ban the story" (before congress got involved a couple days later)
But future stories will prove both those things to be horseshit. Just imagine what the Ukraine emails look like.
The other article that just came out is from the silicon valley lawsuit showing government was interacting with these companies weekly during the 2020 election. Weekly.
This was the fbi admitting to the meetings and discussions.
Eric Schmitt
@Eric_Schmitt
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?BREAKING: In our deposition of FBI agent Elvis Chan on Tuesday, we found that the FBI plays a big role in working with social media companies to censor speech - from weekly meetings with social media companies ahead of the 2020 election to asks for account takedowns.
Gasp! Confirms everything, does it?
ActBlue offering overtime to try to contain the narrative?
Mike Larson is already here early morning after trolling all last night, so yeah, Act Blue and David Brock are in full combat mode
It is quite telling he got up early on a Saturday and jumped right back to defending the left. Remember, he lives in the western time zone.
"Everybody knew Nixon was kinda scummy. Woodward and Bernstein just rehashed old news we already knew anyway" --- Stars circa 1975
My Good Government Almighty, have y'all really studied up on this laptop? Y'all will believe ANY cooked-up crap that you WANT to believe! No matter HOW shady the source!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy#:~:text=The%20drive%20contained%20emails%20marked,of%20Hunter%20Biden's%20actual%20laptop. From there, import below...
Material similar to the alleged hard-drive contents was reportedly circulating in Ukraine during 2019. One individual interviewed by Time magazine stated that he had been approached in late May 2019, and a second person stated that he had been approached in mid-September. The seller, according to the second individual, wished to sell compromising information about Hunter Biden to Republican Party allies of Donald Trump for $5 million.
Yes. Other people actually control the narrative but they do appreciate your contributions.
Taibbi’s thread revealed that Republicans also used the mechanism Twitter had set up for suggesting accounts and tweets to suppress. Although, it does say Democrats used it more often.
“10.Both parties had access to these tools. For instance, in 2020, requests from both the Trump White House and the Biden campaign were received and honored.”
What was the very next post Mike? The VERY next one.
That more Dems had Twitterexecs emails than Repubs? That one?
The bit you keep missing is that the Dems were not in the government, and thus could not have coerced Twitter into doing anything it didn't want to do.
And in fact, Twitter apparently intentionally censored an actual member of the government, Kayleigh McWhatever, cleanly scuppering any claim that the government was somehow engaging in "censorship by surrogate" in relation to the Hunter Laptop story.
"The bit you keep missing is that the Dems were not in the government, and thus could not have coerced Twitter into doing anything it didn’t want to do."
There were no Ds in the government! TDS does this to gullible shits
"And in fact, Twitter apparently intentionally censored an actual member of the government, Kayleigh McWhatever, cleanly scuppering any claim that the government was somehow engaging in “censorship by surrogate” in relation to the Hunter Laptop story."
And TDS-addled shits make claims, but can't be bothered to support them.
Scato, are you a bot? Nothing you say seems to relate to what I have actually written.
No, the Ds were not in the government during 2020, so by definition could not have imposed government censorship upon Twitter to suppress the Hunter Laptop story. Do you know who was in the government at that time? (Maybe I should have started there...)
The "censorship by surrogate" claim was made by Jonathan Turley, most recently in The Hill, that the government (in this case, the Trump Administration, because 2020...) engaged in unconstitutional censorship via third parties, e.g., Twitter. Obviously, if Twitter was in fact able to censor an actual member of the government during a time when that government was presumably ready and willing to bring the hammer down on them if they did so, Turley's claim is somewhat undermined.
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3760753-censorship-by-surrogate-why-musks-document-dump-could-be-a-game-changer/
Oh, goody! An opinion piece as support for a claim!
You might have noticed that I was rubbishing that claim, not making it.
But then you wouldn't be you!
"Dems were not in the government" Wait, what? The federal government had no Dems in it? Sounds good, but (fact check) completely false.
It's like the "Very fine people" lie, ain't it?
What story got suppressed on their behalf?
Robby Soave, who graduated from the University of Michigan in 2015 and is a "journalist", per Wiki, has this to say about the Twitter Files:
The Twitter Files are interesting, but contain few true surprises: a mix of incompetence and partisanship got the site in trouble.
Meanwhile accomplished legal constitutional scholar, Jonathan Turley, opines today at "The Hill"
Censorship by surrogate: Why Musk’s document dump could be a game changer
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3760753-censorship-by-surrogate-why-musks-document-dump-could-be-a-game-changer/
Yet Reason wants us to contribute to their annual fund raiser so that a know nothing young punk with a journalism degree, who lives in DC, can influence readers?
Seriously? Maybe Reason should up their hiring standards or sell Krispy Kreme donuts to raise funds
Turley is the new Greenwald. A leftist who is now a far right trump cultist.
Good article.
"There also is James Baker, the controversial former FBI general counsel involved in the bureau’s Russia collusion investigation. He left the FBI and became Twitter’s deputy general counsel."
Yep, nothing to see there.
"between various content moderators and company executives as the laptop story debacle was unfolding. But given how massively Musk hyped the revelations, the results are a tad disappointing, and mostly confirm what the public already assumed:"
Which picnic? The public over at tech dirt, also known as the aspy retards of the internet claimed this wasn't even a human decision, it was just the algorithms settling in, Maan.
Yeah, this results not surprising, like how all the branch covidians are now saying, "who cares what the origin of the virus is" now that the evidence is overwhelming that it came from a lab.
The Branch Davidians were killed by the government. The Branch Covidians ARE the government.
The public that are more well informed than the folks at Tech Dirt, apparently. There is nothing in these new revelations that wasn’t already well reported.
As Mother's Lament already stated:
It’s Not Real
It’s Russian Disinfo
It’s Real But Doesn’t Matter
It Matters But Not Very Much
This is Old News <– YOU ARE HERE
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The "old news" talking point really got distributed fast, didnt it?
The other one being pushed by journalists is Matt Taibbi sold out to a Billionaire.
And Robbie jumped right on board.
He deserves to hang from a lamppost with the rest of them
"Incompetence", "misjudgment"? How about malice, hatred, spite?
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"This turned out to be an extremely bad judgment. "
No Robby, it's called lying. Baker is a former FBI agent. All federal agents are indemnified against lying. If their lies harm somebody, the government can be sued but they can't. It makes them feel invulnerable, that only Kryptonite can take them down.
In private practice, they still have buddies in the bureau to provide a "get out of jail free" card. They can't be hurt, and they know it.
"But again, the informed public already knew that the mess had been made by some combination of incompetence and employees' anti-Republican biases."
Yes, Robby they knew it TWO YEARS LATER, but they still don't know the level of government involvement. They don't know about the FBI and CIA agents welcomed with open arms to jobs in media, both digital and legacy. They don't know what continuous threats by Congress to regulate "disinformation" means. They don't know how these threats affected hiring by social media.
Robby, you have it in you to be a good reporter, start reporting.
I think he used to have the ability to be a good reporter. Lately he's become just about as bad as Binion. He pushes progressive narratives with even less throat clearing, "to be sures," or independent thought. He has gotten so much more emotionally tied to hating the right that his takes lack even the token balance they used to possess. It's disappointing because he used to be one of the few here I'd considered decent
The public could not have "assumed" that Twitter killed the story first, and then came up with a justification retroactively. Lots of conservatives assumed that Twitter had an agenda against them. The Elon files provide insight on the HOW. If their mode of operation was ban first and ask questions later, then we no longer have to take former Twitter employees seriously on anything they say.
The leaked internal discussion on Libsoftiktok suggested that the mods wanted to FIND reasons to ban her, not consider whether anything she did violated their TOS. "She'll end up getting someone killed!" They went by some nonsensical leftwing talking point when all she did was repost existing videos. That's like 100% of Twitter activity.
When a transparent process confirms and provides further details on suspected corruption, our reaction should be "yawn, we suspected most of this already"? Musk has been maligned for almost half a year for being this purveyor of hate on social media. The people who hate him just makes up random stories and standards to suit their agenda. The laptop was russian disinfo, Smollett got jumped by MAGA crew, and Kavanaugh was a college rapist.
That's the whole key. Taibbi picked up the thread after the decision had already been made and was being justified, but who ACTUALLY PULLED THE TRIGGER ON THE BAN?
My guess is there's no emails surrounding THAT decision because the threats were made over the phone or in person, like the FBI 'visiting' Zuckerberg.
What is Lonnie hiding?
What's that idiocy?
I can help:
Elvis was asking why there was no "smoking gun" in Part 1.
Elvis, of course, assumes this is because the lack of evidence is itself evidence of conclusive (but hidden) evidence, but I would prefer to await Part 2 of Lonnie's "bombshell" revelations--perhaps the smoking gun is still in there?
Your reading skills have not improved.
Can't we just move on from this story? Who cares if Twitter is biased and colluded with the dnc, or the virus was created in a lab experiment funded by Anthony fauci.
There's a war in Ukraine we need to be concentrating on, you election deniers.
Remember when election-denying was cool?
My view is that the laptop story was initially suppressed because the circumstances were driving the media to be cautious. I see a "boy who cried wolf" situation. The former President had been looking for so long for a way to throw mud Joe Biden way that when this story came up the natural inclination was skepticism. That skepticism led to the actions described in the article. I would point out that the story was not suppressed, and sympathetic media did carry the story. The complaint is really that the story could not be pushed the way the Trump campaign might have wanted it pushed. I suspect that this suppression it is really a concern for a small number of people and most people moved on long again.
No, this story should've been allowed to unfold as it should. Instead, operatives of the Biden campaign and of the Democratic Party stepped in to actively ask for it to be squelched. Of course, your nickname here says it all.
Moderation which obstructs the Triumph of the Will of The TrumptatorShit is EVIL, then? We must all allow the TrumptatorShit to perform the moderation of supposedly privately owned web sites?
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/27/863011399/trump-threatens-to-shut-down-social-media-after-twitter-adds-warning-on-his-twee
Trump Threatens To Shut Down Social Media After Twitter Adds Warning To His Tweets
There's a difference between idle threats and actual collusion, Sqrlsy. Learn it. It may help you understand what's coming down the pike tonight out of Twitter.
Just don't act like you love one set of "power pigs" over another.
Power pigs can ALL take a hike! From BOTH sides!
A question I keep on asking is... WHO got punished by Government Almighty, for NOT doing the bidding of Government Almighty, with respect to content moderation? Who got jailed, who got fined? ... NO ONE!!! FacePooo and Twitter-Twatter-etc. were craven, and CAVED IN to threats from TRUMP and then from BIDEN? Well, boycott FacePooo and Twitter-Twatter-etc, and vote for politicians who will enforce Section 230 as it is written! Problems solved, in this manner! MORE power (content-moderation power) to Government Almighty will only make things WORSE!
Sqlsy loves fascism.
Trump loves fascism!
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/27/863011399/trump-threatens-to-shut-down-social-media-after-twitter-adds-warning-on-his-twee
Trump Threatens To Shut Down Social Media After Twitter Adds Warning To His Tweets
(So does Biden, sad to say... Even WORSE to say, so-called "small government conservatives" AGREE with Biden, and want to kill S-230!)
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/08/white-house-renews-call-to-remove-section-230-liability-shield-00055771
Fuck off and die, spastic asshole.
The story did unfold and was out there for any that wished to pursue it. Your complaint is that it did not unfold in the manner you wished. As for campaign operatives looking to squelch stories that as old as politics. I know that in my lifetime many campaigns at all levels have worked to suppress stories of candidate affairs or other personal troubles. Sometimes successfully and other not.
Except for major distributors of the story being banned, and expand IC and media claiming it was Russian disinformation that was allowed to be pushed by the same silicon valley actors.
The Stamp Act was just fine, the colony still produced fliers says M4E.
China censorship is just fine since people can still talk to each other says M4E.
Guess the New York Post and Fox Broadcasting are just small-time distributors.
Which is why your ilk get paid to troll and firebomb R Murdoch.
ProTip: your Molotov Cocktail dealer called and says you owe him money. Pay your dealer.
Whose distribution was banned on social media, one of the primary distribution means for news stories.
And your fellow travelers are doing everything they can to corrupt or end them.
Exactly, this was supposed to be Trumps' "October Surprise", and because the horrid lefty media blocked the move, it didn't happen the way they had intended.
Although they'd had the alleged hard drive image since it had been provided to Giuliani's attorney in August 2020, Trump's team patiently waited until October 4, 2020 to show it to the New York Post (which published its first story on October 14, 2020).
"October Squib" is what ended up happening.
Cite or STFU, TDS-addled shit.
Oh, too bad, I already did (in this thread somewhere).
Sorry, there will be no STFUing this time, Scato.
"Oh, too bad, I already did (in this thread somewhere)."
No surprise: bullshit.
You linked and article which you hope supports your claim. TDS-addled shits are confused by what intelligent people understand to be evidence.
The timeline is not in question. Is there an "alternative" one?
Hell, Rudy Giuliani was involved. That’s a huge yellow flag.
Ha, amen! I just educated myself a wee tad about this laptop...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy#:~:text=The%20drive%20contained%20emails%20marked,of%20Hunter%20Biden's%20actual%20laptop.
From there... "Rudy Giuliani provided the materials to the New York Post after they were allegedly found on a water-damaged[30] MacBook Pro left at a Delaware computer repair shop owned by John Paul Mac Isaac..."
This laptop was a MESS, with ALL sorts of people having messed with it! And yes, Rudy Giuliani... Would you buy a used car from this man? Would you trust him to watch your dog for you? Ideally, reputable media doesn't run their mouths repeating every lie that they hear from shady sources... And sometimes media will goof up! No excuse there, for getting Government Almighty to take over or micro-manage the media, though...
Why? The origin of the laptop was known hour 1 you leftist shit.
Rudy Giuliani, hired legal gunslinger for Trump, should be INSTANTLY trusted for ALL things he says and provides, right, right-wing wrong-nut? Whatever Rudy Giuliani says, should INSTANTLY be reported by ALL media as "truth", or else we must all loudly scream "CENSORSHIT"!!! (If we are GOOD Trumpalos, at least, for SURE!)
Leftists are taught to NEVER give up the con.
Imagine still repeating this talking point AFTER it’s proven the story was true?
Yeah, you’re so neutral, right Mike?
Fucking democrat thrall.
Yeah, you’re so
neutralneutered, right Mike?You failed to edit your typo in time before the edit feature expired, but we know what you meant to type
Hillary was involved in RussiaGate and the press did not seem to have any concerns.
Man, the dishonest shilling for the left with the, “eh, everything about the reporting was cool” in the face of even Ro Kahanna and Twitter employees immediately saying this was wrong is astounding.
You all on the left need to get your story straight. Either the laptop was properly reported, it wasn’t but that’s because of private decisions by a private company, it’s disinfo, it’s not disinfo and everyone knew it, it’s not a big deal, it’s right wing propaganda, etc etc etc.
All these attempts to spin away from the obvious just make it clear how damning the obvious is.
You're just figuring out now that Twitter and Facebook are full of lefty twats?
Why are you just grasping at straws to support Ds?
No, asshole, it's been obvious for a while
"My view is that the laptop story was initially suppressed because the circumstances were driving the media to be cautious."
Explains the Trump tax story on 9/28 of that year. Press certainly diligently refused to cover it due to being hacked.
"The former President had been looking for so long for a way to throw mud Joe Biden way that when this story came up the natural inclination was skepticism."
Except one of the people in the email list verified that it was legit. And Biden never once denied anything in it. He just said "Russian disinformation" --- not that anything was actually false.
"I would point out that the story was not suppressed, and sympathetic media did carry the story."
Care to compare the audience of the network news vs conservative media?
Ooops, sorry, post is in the wrong spot...
Voting machine company employees are WORKING FOR THE GOVERNMENT, under formal written contracts! This is NOT true of privately owned web sites! Do you think that JUST MAYBE this might be a significant difference?
Biden is the Commander in Chief of the USA military, and has the legal right to tell them what to do… So he is also YOUR Commander in Chief, and he COMMANDS you to STOP making totally empty-headed, invalid, emotional-garbage arguments!
Ooops, sorry, post is in the wrong spot...
"That story, which was erroneously categorized by national intelligence experts as disinformation" - Robby
That story, which was deliberately and falsely categorized by national intelligence experts as disinformation to support the democrat candidate. - Reality
Are we not going to mention that at the point where the New York Post broke the story about Hunter Biden's laptop the FBI had had the laptop in question for nearly a year and instead of verifying that it was real they were instead warning Facebook that there was a trove of Russian disinformation coming down the pike?
Also: There are supposedly thousands of documents in the Twittergate case, Taibbi is only now releasing the first few of them. Little early to be jumping on the "old news" bandwagon when we've only seen the first few documents, isn't it? Unless, of course, you're trying to get the bandwagon rolling.
That's a shame that the FBI sat on the poop-and-scoop for so long. Agents of Government Almighty (especially LEOs and National Security types) can generally be trusted (mistrusted?) to shit on shit and NOT release it, or at least delay the relase for as long as possible, if they can think of ANY reason why to keep secrets!!! All your information are belong to US, dammit!!!
Which is yet ANOTHER reason why we should keep our heads (if we have any heads with brains in them, that is) and protect, preserve, and enforce Section 230! Government Almighty nit-witted twits doing or micro-managing the "moderating" at Twitter-twatter and FacePooo, etc., will only make things worse! MUCH worse!
Yes, that's why Taibbi started here, IMO. "This is all old news" might work for Hunter's laptop, but not for 1/6, or covid bans, or Ukraine.
For a spoiler alert about what we'll find in THOSE files:
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/emails-reveal-extensive-coordination
The FBI in 2020? The FBI which explicitly served the Trump Administration? That FBI?
See? This is how TDS affects stupid shits.
Yes, the FBI which colluded with the HRC and the Biden campaigns; ever hear of that famous "russki collusion"?
This story, the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop, appears to be the tip of the iceberg of collusion between the DNC, the Biden campaign/administration, and Big Tech. I'm very certain that Twitter is far from the only company to have emails and DMs like this. Facebook and YouTube probably have such a treasure trove as well (and maybe others). I think we have a very good idea why Vijaya Gadde was highly opposed to the sale of Twitter to Elon Musk. She had been the nerve center of censorship at Twitter, doing this in spite of and under Jack Dorsey's nose. When he left, she got free rein to perform even more collusive censorship with the administration and DNC.
We all have read the history on Watergate. Some of us here (not me) lived through it and saw the damage to the trust in public institutions that rippled through the government in the 1970s. The collusion here between the DNC, the current administration, and businesses like Twitter (and Facebook, Google, and Apple) is in many ways much worse than Watergate. Watergate can be boiled down to a few bad actors covering for a second-rate burglary/wiretapping. This is much more widespread, invasive, intrusive, insidious, and sinister than Watergate and it's attempted (and bungled) coverup. This is an attempt to stymie the First Amendment, the Bill of Rights. When the Democrats in Congress explicitly state that the First Amendment is not absolute, that is perhaps one of the most insidious and sinister things to say within the US, especially to us here as libertarians who tend to be free speech absolutists. Yet, not only did the Biden campaign/administration, the DNC, and the Democrats in Congress say it, they pushed for it and encouraged it through social media under the guise of "private company".
This is not "private company", this is corporatism, the economic part of fascism. As stupid as the Republicans can be, the Democrats have shown themselves to be the sinister, insidious party housing an American style of fascism/corporatism with their collusion between government and business to push their agenda and squelch public debate.
Apparently more is to be released tonight. We should all be waiting with baited breath as each tweet, each 260 characters is released.
Nixon ultimately resigned. Members of his administration went to jail. Congress followed up with bipartisan committee hearings and legislation. The Biden administration has followed up with openly bragging about censorship by proxy. Complete politicization of the DOJ and every federal agency. And the media, including Reason have been running cover for 3 years. This is much worse than Watergate.
"collusion between the DNC, the Biden campaign/administration, and Big Tech"...
By conflating the Biden campaign with the Biden administration (which was obviously not in power in 2020) you're trying to claim that Tweeter was "only following orders" when it locked the account of the actual government's White House spokesmodel, Kayleigh McWhatever. Silly wabbit.
TDS-addled shit, did you see "campaign" in the sentence?
Er, yes. It's very cleverly hidden in ITL's first sentence...
Glad you found it. Take the L and leave; you'll be far ahead.
Ya know, if we could just talk about this laptop 24/7 then pussy grabber would win everything. I mean, what's more important than this!
The problem isn’t that the laptop exists, it’s the collusion for the denial that it was anything but Russian misinformation. Maybe Trump might’ve won; maybe Biden might’ve won, but the bigger issue is that the story was deliberately buried and labeled misinformation by social media colluding with the Biden campaign.
"Ya know, if we could just talk about this laptop 24/7 then pussy grabber would win everything..."
Ya know, if we stuck with facts, lying TDS-addled shits like you and spam would have nothing to talk about.
If anything, social media’s attempts at suppression of the story caused the laptop to be talked about MORE.
Cite?
This article wouldn't have existed?
Cites are too much to ask, TDS-addled shit?
You need a cite to the very same article you're commenting on, Scato?
Lol.
Lol? How many times have you repeated the 3rd grade?
The cite requested is for your claim, TDS-addled shit.
Do you mean Mike's claim?
I always thought what happened in Germany couldn’t possibly happen in America. Now I see how some people can convince themselves how the ends justify the means.
The German chancellor Merkel freakin’ called out the US government over this at the time.
So did several other world leaders.
When the Europeans are telling us we have a government-supressed speech problem, we really have a problem.
"At the time", in 2020, when the government was in Trump's hands?
Hey, TDS-addled shit! Trump wasn't coronated.
And, my, how it disappoints him (and his followers)!
More so to TDS-addled shits like you, hoping to blame anything at all on Trump.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Pussy grabber, pussy sniffer. Tomato, tomahto, right?
Your ass ain't talkin your way outta this...
Haha. The pussy grabber did win, idiot. He didn’t just talk about it. He didn’t just grab it. He stuck a bony old digit right on up in there. Allegedly, of course.
Yes, this story was (grudgingly) covered. Mostly with a “it’s a he said/she said situation, so I guess we’ll never know” hand wave from friendly media. Just like kavanaugh. Oh, wait…..
How many contradictions must one ignore to remain a democrat? A lot.
Fuck off Sarc. At least that’s the guts not to hide behind a sock.
"Ya know, if we could just talk about this laptop 24/7 then pussy grabber would win everything. I mean, what’s more important than this!"
We could also deal with reality and tell TDS-addled shit-piles like this to fuck off and die.
How's that working out for ya, Scato?
Fine. You should try it, if you ever recover from your TDS, shit-pile.
I couldn't help but notice that you seem to be telling the same people to "fuck off and die" over and over again, and yet they don't seem to be doing it.
Hence, my question. Wish harder?
"..Wish harder?"
Not sure wishing for a brain transplant will help you much, TDS-addled shit-pile.
P.S. Everyone knows Democrats have criminal intentions.
Democrat fanboys, “Well yeah; but so long as I get to STEAL with it.”
Semi-on-topic... Right-wing extremists urging on evermore and more hateful free speech, be careful what you wish for! It will NOT get you more votes in the long run!
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/12/far-right-extremist-rhetoric-media-free-speech/672339/
From there... Actual NAZI-adoration from "Ye"...
The dynamic was similar to Ye’s appearance yesterday on Infowars. Jones—who has made a career out of anti-Semitic dog whistling about a Jewish-controlled media, egged on birtherism, and spread lies that the Sandy Hook shooting was a “false flag” operation—seemed uncharacteristically rattled as Ye began talking favorably about Hitler. He tried to give the rapper an out, saying, “You’re not Hitler. You’re not a Nazi.” But, as in other appearances, Ye seemed almost delighted not to take it. “Well, I see good things about Hitler, also,” he responded. “Every human being has something of value that they brought to the table, especially Hitler.” Later on, in a jarring exchange just before a commercial break, Jones clarified for his audience that “I don’t like Nazis.” Ye, sneaking in the last word, shot back, “I like Hitler.” Jones can’t recontextualize this moment or accuse the media of misrepresenting what happened on Infowars yesterday. It was hours of Nazi sympathizing. There’s a small difference between this and Jones’s generally repugnant broadcasts—which have cost him dearly, thanks to a series of defamation cases—but it’s a meaningful one.
We should not mince words: The normalization and increase of this rhetoric are terrifying and threatening in a country that continues to watch as extremists commit hate crimes against people of color, religious minorities, and LGBTQ communities. At the same time, it is unclear what it means for politicians and launderers of the extremist right when the rules of the game change. It seems that the far right, which has longed for the marketplace of ideas to turn into a free-speech-maximalist thunderdome, is going to be forced to test how the rest of the country feels about having its most vile and extreme views amplified as explicitly as possible.
Overnight, it got an answer of sorts. Ye was once again indefinitely suspended from Twitter after posting a swastika inside a Star of David: an “incitement to violence,” Musk said. It’s been less than two weeks since he welcomed the rapper back from his previous ban.
That article amounts to "There's been a terrible, unprecedented increase in the number of rapes. We need to take firm, immediate action and ban sex altogether".
The Atlantic holds the position that all non-progressives are Nazis and draws no distinction between Milton Friedman and Joseph Goebbels.
Ye, sneaking in the last word, shot back, “I like Hitler.”
Ye (Kanye West) is now some sort of defensible darling of the right? Y'all expect to win elections this way?
Who is defending Kanye West since those statements were reported? Who has said "Ye is right about Hitler"?
Your statements clearly support that idea that all non-progressives are Nazis.
Der TrumpfenFuhrer Himself supports Kanye! And assorted extremists also!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/25/politics/trump-kanye-west-nick-fuentes-mar-a-lago/index.html
You really need to check your email more than once every 3 years for the latest ActBlue PDF, sarcasmic
Trump calls Kanye West ‘seriously troubled man’ in rant about Mar-a-Lago meeting
This was in relation to the Mar a Lago dinner with Ye, arranged after Ye had tweeted that he was "going death con 3 on JEWISH PEOPLE".
Trump is known for being such a caring person. I'm sure that's the only reason why he invited Ye (and, as it turns out, Fuentes) to dine with him.
Of course, now that Ye is even more "troubled", I guess Trump will soon be inviting him for a sleepover?
^ This is a result of a severe case of TDS.
TDS-addled shit-piles like spam expect healthy people to somehow connect the dots in word salads like that,
Maybe we need a new term for you, and you alone: "Scat-addled".
Ewwww...
We? Turd in your pocket, TDS-addled shit?
Other than the NY Post and Fox the media again ignores or dismiss’s what’s actually going on here. Your magazine included . I understand all media is biased in some way . What’s hypocritical is when you claim your not . In Twitters case we are told they are a private company and as such they can do as they please . If you don’t like it start your own company. I expected the mainstream media to ignore this . Here’s a clear case where a private company is working with the government to suppress the truth and your magazine doesn’t have a problem with it.
Don’t confuse acknowledging no first amendment violation with not having a problem with it.
Don't worry understanding 1a law when protecting the left. Government coercing 1a violations is in fact a violation.
Who got jailed? Who got fined? Or did they just get dis-invited to private cocktail parties in D.C.? Government coercion, my ass!
It’s not just 1A, it’s election interference. Stay tuned it’s not over yet.
Reason has had articles on how to join Mastadon because NEB is apparently terrified of speech being a bit freer on Twitter.
Then Reason had a piece on how Musk is basically a hypocrite for banning West over swastikas and the like.
They seem able to discuss when they do not like something and it is not a constitutional violation.
Just not here.
From the bottom of the article above (Did you actually READ it?):
"And kudos to Musk for attempting to shed more light on what truly was a low moment for the culture of free speech on the platform."
Wow, it sure sounds like Reason.com blesses ALL things that liberals do! (Sounds like that to highly biased hyper-partisan idiots, at least.)
PS, WHY do you INSIST on torturing the innocent little Christian babies to death, and then drinking their blood?
The government?
The government, whose own spokesmodel Twitter suspended for linking to the NYPo story?
That government?
Try reading the comment again. Or not; your lack of reading skills is obvious.
Sorry, Scato.
I'll try to remember to write my comments at your level next time.
Unfortunately, you are not capable; 3rd-grade won't help you get to my level, TDS-addled shit.
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This is interfering in an election. Withholding the fact that Joe Biden is and was globally selling access to the executive office as VP and POTUS, through his son, to the highest bidder. The best is yet to come.
Anyway, what’s up with Twitter shareholders allowing 60 percent of the workforce as a nonprofit jobs program? Imagine how much dead proggie wood is in FAANG stocks.
Yeah, it's near the height of irony that the lefties accused Trump of colluding with the Russians to "influence" the election while they themselves had been doing everything they could to spread disinformation in order to influence the same election. Heavy sigh ...
The question isn't whether the DNC and social media colluded because that is completely legal though thoroughly despicable.
The question is whether government bureaucrats incentivized social media to put someone in office more attune to their interests. It's well known that federal government employees overwhelmingly support Democrats. Just how far did these bureaucrats go in supporting their chosen candidate?
That’s where Taibbi comes in. Griftopia goes into sovereign wealth funds special treatment. CCP Saudis- farmland, mines, real estate
Also, Private/Public partnerships. How many sovereign wealth funds borrowed from US banks and bought high value assets during Biden’s time.
Oh, now you're against the Citizens United decision?
How many times have you failed "Reading Comprehension"?
This reads like anything from my own company. A lot of internal disagreement capped by an overly cautious recommendation from the legal department. One that people don’t care enough to argue against.
The "legal department" was wrong on two counts in this case: Twitter was not legally responsible in any way for "Russian disinformation" posted by other on their platform; and it was bias in favor of a Biden victory in the upcoming election that caused the suppression of the laptop story, not a desire to avoid spreading dangerous disinformation.
This reads like anything from my own company.
Your company frequently conceals information about material turned over to the FBI?
Otherwise, your retardation is akin to "I see umpires in baseball make wrong calls all the time."
You are correct here, the general approach taken by most corporation is caution first.
Yeah except the story was thoroughly documented and obviously legitimate from day one. No one in the Biden family or the DNC ever denied that that the laptop was real and have not to this day. Nor has the FBI. The computer shop owner and Tony Bobolinski both confirmed the contents and are willing to testify under oath. It would have taken any member of the media a few phone calls to verify the story by named sources.
Exactly. They said it was 'hacked materials', but there was never any evidence of that at all.
The story is far more complex that you are portraying. The number of people with hands on this laptop alone make the story suspicious. It was Hunter Biden's laptop but the information on the laptop could not be immediately verified because of the time it was out of Hunter's custody and the people who had access. This was in no way a straightforward story.
Hunter Biden may face criminal charges for tax fraud or for being an unregistered agent, but nothing on that laptop will ever be used in a court. No prosecutor will bring a case on evidence that has no real chain of custody.
Thanks, Moderation4ever, for adding a voice of sanity around here! And amen!
(It seems we all, or many of us, will believe ONLY the lies that we WANT to hear. I don't know how to fix that, but let's keep on trying!)
Fuck off and die, spastic asshole.
Tell us again about how Brett Kavanaugh is a serial gang rapist and Donald Trump is a Nazi, sarcasmic.
Donald Trump isn't a NAZI, but he cribs from their handbook!
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump's Big Lie and Hitler's: Is this how America's slide into totalitarianism begins?
The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?
Totalitarians want to turn GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).
And now he wants to destroy the USA Constitution!
Latest breaking news… TRUMP WILL SAVE US ALL by killing, not just Section 230, but also, the USA cunts-tits-tuition!!!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
Trump calls for the termination of the Constitution in Truth Social post
MIGHT MAKES RIGHT, and the right-wing wrong-nuts will make it ALL right! TRUST IN US, they say!!!
The people could be emailed and the communications could be deemed authentic. This is a very very very very very easy step one. Step two might be to get a denial -- yet Hunter Biden never once said the laptop wasn't his.
The very basic steps of journalism leads to verifying the story -- that's why the media didn't do any of those steps.
Chain of custody does not apply in cases where the evidence itself tells you where it came from. If drugs are seized from a dealer there is nothing in the drugs themselves that tell you who the owner is.
The laptop screams who the owner is. Every email, every video makes it incandescently clear who the owner is. The technician who repaired it has HB’s signature on the repair order and identified the man who gave him the laptop as Hunter Biden. Every change of possession has a witness who can identify the next possessor of the laptop.
The only way this laptop doesn’t end up in court is when the FBI claims that the laptop has inexplicably disappeared, or perhaps “committed suicide” by igniting its fully discharged battery.
The Trump team had exclusive control of the hard drive image provided to the New York Post from August 2020 until October 4, 2020.
Why did they suppress it for over a month?
Get a cite for that claim (OTHER than Wiki)?
What? A reply with no gratuitous scat-addled embellishment?
https://www.theshortcut.com/p/twitter-files
Do you think it's false?
What's "false"? You post a link to a story which you claim supports your earlier claim; cites are not a reference to an article. Quotes or STFU, asshole.
I'm referring to the timeline of the relevant events. Are you saying it is inaccurate in some way?
I'm not aware of an alternative timeline, but if there is one, please do feel free to cite it.
It doesn't have to meet "chain of custody" legal criteria to be published as a story. It only needs verification by the reporter and editor that it is real - preferably from two sources - and not fabricated. The Hunter Biden laptop story met more than the usual criteria for prestigious newspapers to publish it; they only failed to print it because of editorial bias strongly in favor of electing Joe Biden President at the time, using the "Russian disinformation" narrative as their fig-leaf excuse.
"Thoroughly documented"...in the New York Post?
Yet, it was easily confirmed and still banned from Twitter.
Seriously, someone having a lax attitude about this really shows their true colors. You aren't remotely moderation, you just shill for the left.
Sure.
Caution first:
Biden, Fauci, Red SUV
Fuck caution:
Damore, Sandmann, Rittenhouse, Smollett, etc., etc., etc.
The general approach taken by most corporations is not to take credit for and profit from other's speech. The general approach taken by most corporations that do is to be more clear and up front about when it's their speech and when it's not. The general approach taken by most corporations is to be less slanted about the protection that's being granted to them and their sources.
Yeah, they’ve always shown that caution when the stories smear Republicans. Kavanaugh totally raped that girl
Any explanation why the "hacked materials" rule did not apply to Trump's tax return literally one month earlier?
I would not be quite so glib about confirmatory evidence in this situation. It is frequently the case that jumping to conclusions shortly after an incident before the confirmatory evidence starts to come in leads to egg on your face. In fact, that’s what happened to Twitter in the Hunter Laptop episode. They suppressed tweets about the laptop because of their pro-Biden bias, of course, but it could have gone the other way if the story had been, for example, about a Trump revelation. Either way it illustrates why platform moderation should be light-handed and focused only on violent threats and personal abusive attacks, not on opinions or “misinformation.”
And while we’re on the topic of misinformation, incorrect opinions or allegations are NEVER dangerous. Anyone who asserts that disinformation – even from Russian or terrorist operatives – is a threat to public safety or an existential threat to democracy is trying to sell you your shackles before handcuffing you. Only the people who act badly based on incorrect information are responsible for what happens to them as a result.
But we're essentially in the-butler-did-it territory: The mystery's explanation is exactly what everyone expected, and largely already knew.
To wit, the "[dusts hands, walks away]" reaction with the putrefying body (or bodies) still lying in a pool of it's own mostly-dried, coagulated blood while the butler remains at large,
whereabouts unknownat home, posting to his social media accounts, feels a exceedingly Clouseau-esque.Not to mention, "10 held by H for the big guy". Let alone, has Ukraine won the war yet? Much hemming and hawing about the chilling of free speech with regard to Disney and Reedy Creek, but fuck the rando who may've willfully handed over evidence of multiple federal crimes to the FBI and was actively silenced and threatened with death.
It feels a lot like everyone apologizing for COVID by taking their masks off. You know I thought you were stupid for wearing a mask, but didn't really care, and apologizing by taking it off makes you between just stupid and insincere, and malevolent.
Reason's mask slipped a long time ago.
Wearing a mask was only supposed to protect people like you.
I wonder if that will happen again?
TDS-addled shit spam seems to be struggling with 'clever'. And losing.
Wearing a mask was only supposed to protect people like you.
No it wasn't. It was a lie to subjugate people more honest and maybe more intelligent than myself. It will happen again. The statement it was supposed to protect people like me is a lie and the question is a tell that it will.
Any disinterested parties who actually want a clearer view of this all... Read over this link here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy#:~:text=The%20drive%20contained%20emails%20marked,of%20Hunter%20Biden's%20actual%20laptop.
And then tell me with a straight face, media who were NOT willing to on-the-spot report all of this "data" (Hunter's supposed laptop contents) as being true, and not some politically cooked-up bullshit... Were just HORRIBLY wrong!
LOL....
strongly questioned by intelligence officials due to the unknown origin and chain of custody of the laptop and the provenance of its contents and also due to suspicion it may have been possibly used as part of a disinformation campaign by Russian intelligence or its proxies.
The Russians did it!!!! Again with this BS?
Did these honorable "intelligence officials" even bother to pull a fingerprint or just run-away with such a completely made-up imagination story....
What a F'En joke. Named emails, named laptop, incriminating emails and what did the investigation conclude..... Mrrrrrrr... But Russia could've faked it all and were too biased and F'En lazy to even pull a fingerprint.
Motivated reasoning... Were YOU there to personally see the origins of each of the files? Humble people (of all stripes) admit that THEY DON'T KNOW about a LOT of things!
Would the incentive of $5 million perhaps motivate some MORE motivated reasoning and file-creating, perhaps?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy#:~:text=The%20drive%20contained%20emails%20marked,of%20Hunter%20Biden's%20actual%20laptop. From there, import below…
Material similar to the alleged hard-drive contents was reportedly circulating in Ukraine during 2019. One individual interviewed by Time magazine stated that he had been approached in late May 2019, and a second person stated that he had been approached in mid-September. The seller, according to the second individual, wished to sell compromising information about Hunter Biden to Republican Party allies of Donald Trump for $5 million.
You know what your problem is; you read the word-propaganda and not the facts of the stories. You're a sucker for misleading narration. That wiki article is loaded with sucker words.
So then you WERE there to personally witness the origins of all of these files? Wow! Get to the authorities (and to the authoritarians) RIGHT AWAY and let them KNOW!
(Also let them know that Wikipedia and ALL of the media, except Alex Jones, Parler, and sometimes Fox News, are deliberately LYING to us all, ALL of the time!)
Fuck off and die, spastic asshole.
No, the spastic asshole's problem is abysmal stupidity; it explains every bit of his lies, bullshit, misdirection and mendacity in general.
He is a fucking ignoramus too stupid to understand his inability to deal with reality and should be recognized as such.
Tell the spastic asshole to fuck off and die, and leave it at that; nothing he posts is worth more.
You seem to do that, repeatedly. And then you respond the next time.
Still winning!
You seem to make an ass of yourself repeatedly.
Still a loser.
Anyone else find it odd that Democrats find Russia such a threat to their Nazi-Empire when they're both but two peas in the pod.
Dems loved the old Soviet Union if you recall..well the NYC intellectual class which has slowly taken over the Democratic party from one of Irish, Italian, and other ethnics, had nothing but praise and support for the bolshies until..well you know when and that explains quite a lot.
Once again, chain of custody evidence is only required for charging and convicting, not for "probable cause" to start a criminal investigation and obtain a search warrant. When the FBI uses political "narratives" as a basis for taking legal action and extra-legal actions like pressuring social media and news organizations to suppress stories, then then there is no law ... just a struggle for survival.
Lol, sarcasmic's referencing 2 year old user-generated Wikipedia pages. It's 5 o clock somewhere!
Gin-Soaked Cunt-Land hears what she wants to hear, and disregards the rest! Only Alex Jones (and SOMETIMES Fox News) can be believed!
(Some say that paranoia will destroy-ya.)
Wikipedia pages change all the time, and yes, they are only as accurate as the editors who contribute to them. Overall, however, outright false information does seem to get removed fairly quickly, which leaves Wikipedia as a fairly useful "peer-reviewed" summary of links to other public sources of information about many topics.
TDS-addled shit spam defends wiki as a source!
Imagine my (lack of) surprise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophilia
That one's for you, Scato.
Oh, oh! Look! TDS-addled shit-pile can find Wiki! Fuck off and die, asshole.
Don't you ever get tired of making the same inane comments, over and over?
Is it comforting to you in some way, or are you just saving time?
Reason has lost any credibility to be considered a libertarian site. First the decision that there are no morals or public virtue allowed in society as they "discriminate" against some tribe. The almost reflexive defense of MAP, gender mutilation of kids, and pushing for "marginalized" rights (what the hell are they) has become obsessive for Nick and the gang. Throw in abortion (on demand right up to birth is ENBs killing cult), open borders, and support of DIE in corporate and govt institutions and you have to wonder what the hell happened.
The use by govt or political party of a monopolistic media outlet to push disinformation (using the left's new favorite word) and stifle free speech is much more of a threat than Putin yet this is what we get from Reason? No Robbie this is not just a tempest in a teapot. It is the gravest threat to our liberty. Every Democrat in Congress who supported this should be removed from office for treason. The NYT and the rest of the bigoted bolshevik media should be shamed in public.
So then everyone who doesn't vote for the GOP become GOD (Grand Old DicktatorShit) is a heathen in the eyes of the Republican Church, and ALL of their votes are fraudulent?
So can you name me an historical example of a 1-party state that provided peace and prosperity in the long run? If not, then... WHY do you lust after a 1-party "Team R" state?
"1-party “Team R” state" is pure projection: accusing Republicans of what Democrats in the deep state and the news media have been trying to do.
For all ideological hard-core warmongers everywhere…
So ye lust after the utter, eternal destruction of the “D” team, and the eternal victory of the “R” team? (The inverse kind of ideological idiot exists also, but not so much, on these pages = specifically where I sometimes comment, at https://reason.com/latest/ ).
“R” team likes to demonize “D” team? Biden is going to outlaw the internal combustion engine, tomorrow, to “Make American Green Again”? The NEW MAGA? Bullshit, demonizers!
“D” team likes to say that the next “R” POTUS (Alex Jones maybe?) will outlaw ALL abortion, and birth control? And turn ALL women into enslaved baby-making machines, because every sperm is sacred? Bullshit, demonizers!
All is for The Hive… The Tribe-Nation… Or, All is for the Individual, and you may NOT (of your own supposed “free will”) join a VOLUNTARY commune?! There can be NO compromise, traitors!!!
The males must UTTERLY DEFEAT the females, who must NEVER speak again!
Yin must smash Yang, till Yang exists no more!
Creation must smash destruction! NO eggs may be broken, for making omelets!
Life must rule over death, and NO ONE may die, to make room for the new living! No matter HOW old and decrepit they get! YOU MAY NOT DIE!!!
Do you ideological idiots NOT see that “R” v/s “D” falls into the same category? You would destroy it ALL (multi-party democracy, “balance”) in the name of your POWER PIG FANTASIES!!!
The ONLY way that ye will get your “ultimate victory” is in the DEATH OF IT ALL!!! The new POTUS, Alex Jones, will declare Nuclear War for the Ultimate Victory… And yin and yang, male and female, “D” and “R”, individual v/s tribe… they all ARE NO MORE!!!
Are you HAPPY now, ideological idiots and power-lusters?!!?
(Sorry if that was “in your face”, but I hope that my point has been made).
You have never failed to very clearly make the point that you are a mentally deranged drunken piece of shit, sarcasmic.
"mentally deranged"...
All of the GOOD totalitarians KNOW that those who oppose totalitarianism are mentally ill, yes!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union#:~:text=During%20the%20leadership%20of%20General,that%20contradicted%20the%20official%20dogma.
Sorry, but Reason is NOT a "libertarian site." They have always published a range of opinions of interest to libertarians, mostly centered on libertarianism but extending the debates outside of the usual box as they should do. You're also wrong about "no morals" - that is, quite literally, the definition of liberty - that only the minimum amount of law necessary to maintain the equal rights of everyone under the law can be tolerated. Specifically, morals are NEVER the proper basis for ANY law. You are entitled to hold your own morals and so is everyone else and you are NEVER allowed to impose your own preferred morals on anyone else using the force of law. If you disagree with that you are not even remotely a libertarian of any kind.
Muh private company... just following orders from muh government.
Meanwhile, the Dems rearrange the primaries to give Biden a better chance to win.... at Biden's suggestion:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/02/politics/dnc-south-carolina-primary-calendar-2024/index.html
The rule-making arm of the Democratic National Committee on Friday voted to approve a proposal to drastically reshape the 2024 presidential nominating calendar and make South Carolina the first state to hold a primary, followed by Nevada and New Hampshire on the same day a few days later, and then Georgia and Michigan before Super Tuesday. President Joe Biden this week asked DNC leaders to adopt this early state lineup, which strips Iowa of its first-in-the-nation status...
In what other contest of any kind does one of the contestants get to make up the rules?
In case the favoritism isn't obvious, here are Biden's results in the primaries last time:
Iowa: 14%, 4th place
New Hampshire: 8%, 5th place
Nevada, 19%, 2nd place
South Carolina: 49%, 1st place
Michigan: 53%, 1st place
Georgia: 85%, 1st place
Just advancing the cause of diversity is the official reasoning...
Getting Biden away from small states where people can tell he's mentally incoherent is just a small price to pay to let more diverse states go first.
I think everything but SC was after Pete and Amy? dropped out and endorsed him.
Calvinball? https://calvinandhobbes.fandom.com/wiki/Calvinball
Speaking of Calvinball... How about that them thar ELECTORAL COLLEGE that says that some of us are FAR more equal than others? Texas and California and New York should each sub-divide into about 20 new states to each get 40 new senators...
Usually anything where the democrats are involved.
The primaries are run by political parties, presumably for the benefit of those same political parties.
What did you think they were for?
Went from "it didn't happen" to "old news" pretty quickly.
What are you talking about... Perhaps Trump's bullying of social media?
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/27/863011399/trump-threatens-to-shut-down-social-media-after-twitter-adds-warning-on-his-twee
Trump Threatens To Shut Down Social Media After Twitter Adds Warning To His Tweets
Fuck off and die, spastic asshole.
SQRLSY'S take-away....
Democratic Politicians sends *letters* to demand Trump be censored.
Trump *threatens* in a speech to stop it from being implemented...
Trump is a bully. /s
What do you expect from a spastic asshole?
Trump is now bullying the USA Constitution ass well, fascist asshole, and YOU are going to EXCUSE it! Because Trump can NEVER do or say ANYTHING wrong in the eyes of fascist hyper-partisans!
Latest breaking news… TRUMP WILL SAVE US ALL by killing, not just Section 230, but also, the USA cunts-tits-tuition!!!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
Trump calls for the termination of the Constitution in Truth Social post
MIGHT MAKES RIGHT, and the right-wing wrong-nuts will make it ALL right! TRUST IN US, they say!!!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters
Thanks, assholes, for your CONSTANT lusting for a TrumptatorShit!
It's amazing how a guy who hasn't been president for 2 years has the power to actually bully the constitution, sarcasmic. Like you, I remain shitlessly terrified that Donald Trump may act in his capacity as a private citizen operating a social media company to do the same things that Joe Biden is, you know, actually fucking doing. Right now. As we speak. As the president of the United States. Documented and recorded. In public.
So Gin-Soaked Cunt-Land trots-and-twats out THIS ass a reason WHY we should ONCE AGAIN vote for the TrumptatorShit?
I pray to Government Almighty that it won't happen! The NEXT time that the TrumptatorShit takes power, it might NEVER go away!
Gin-Soaked Cunt-Land... Can you name me ONE example of a one-party state, in all of humans history, which brought long-term peace and prosperity?
Fuck off and die, spastic asshole.
Sevo the Pedo, Hippo in a Speedo… Can you name me ONE example of a one-party state, in all of human history, which brought long-term peace and prosperity?
Scato is a pedo?
That explains a lot...
Spam is a TDS-addled shit pile? That explains a lot...
These revelations, and the lack of consequences that result from them (just like everything over the last 6 years), should inform your opinion about the odds of peaceably escaping totalitarianism.
"Revelations", including the one where Twitter was asked/ordered to spike the NYPo story (by anyone)?
Maybe that will feature in "Part 2", but it was conspicuously absent from Part 1.
"Yes, the Biden campaign requested takedowns of tweets, and they seem like the most explosive portion of Taibbi’s thread. But from what I’ve seen from archives, these tweets show explicit (nude) material. If it had been the Biden campaign asking to pull down tweets about the story or shut down Kayleigh McEnany’s Twitter account, this would be a much, much different take."
https://www.theshortcut.com/p/twitter-files
Did you have a point, spam? Or just tossing out a word salad in the hopes someone might think so?
The quote was from someone closely following the Twitter/Hunter story, who concluded that there was nothing in "Part 1" which showed anyone even asking Twitter to spike the NYPo story.
That would have been helpful to anyone who believes that there had been undue influence, but it wasn't there.
Do you get it now, Scato?
Your stupidity and willful ignorance comes as no surprise:
""By 2020, requests from connected actors to delete tweets were routine. One executive would write to another: ‘More to review from the Biden team.’ The reply would come back: 'Handled.'
Taibbi shared a screenshot of that October 2020 exchange featuring links to tweets Biden's team allegedly wanted taken down. Many of them were to tweets featuring pornographic images of Hunter Biden found in his laptop, according to Washington Free Beacon investigative reporter Andrew Kerr..."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/elon-musk-reveals-twitter-suppressing-hunter-biden-story-2020
BTW, my charges are well in excess of $550/hr to educate ignorant piles of shit like you. Do your own research from now on, asshole; tired of your TDS and idiocy.
The portions of the "theshortcut" blog relevant to the "Handled" email revealed by Musk in Part 1 of the Hunter's Laptop matter are as follows:
"October 24, 2020 at 8:28pm PT: “Handled these” was the response to five Twitter URLs the Biden team requested be removed. However, while this is seen as a smoking gun by many Republicans, I’ve unfortunately seen an archive of these particular tweets and they depict nude photos of Hunter Biden (ugh, the things I do for journalism), some with an unidentified female subject, which, since it’s not authorized by the parties in the photograph, would be against the Terms of Service. These were not, as far as I can tell, about the New York Post laptop story, but photographs derived from the laptop files.
October 25, 2020: Two more tweets are deleted the next day, one from actor James Woods. It reads “Feet don’t fail me now” (that’s not why it got deleted) with a photo of Hunter Biden smoking a crack pipe while getting some adult services done to his toes. The photo is dressed up as a Joe Biden campaign ad, “I’m on Team Toe.” Although the photo is blurred, it still shows enough to violate the terms of service and for me to want to wash out my eyes – repeatedly."
In the FOX News version, the reader is led to believe that there were other direct Biden campaign requests for censorship, including the ones relating to Hunter's junk, but in fact those are the only such requests revealed by Musk in Part 1. The Biden campaign did ask for specific Tweets containing pornographic images involving Hunter Biden to be removed from Twitter, but (so far as has been revealed) nothing else.
It's a shame you are now flouncing off--we've had such a wonderful time communicating!
https://twitter.com/JeffOnTheRight/status/1599138422232260609?t=lrbcIertk1S1HHeceicDKg&s=19
So let me get this straight: Twitter was willing to delete pics of Hunter Biden's junk on request, but refused to take down child porn even after the victims repeatedly asked them to?
[Link (not to any pics)]
Shrike is crestfallen at the lack of pics.
https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1599167465564827648?t=PROLNBHqa42RruYl-xLEEQ&s=19
Leftists and especially "journalists" are bots or scripts with pre-prepared talking points like "PR" and "richest man." See for yourself. This is how the Regime works. It's a big performance to get people to follow their script. It's reflexive hyperreality.
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Again,
Actual both sides:
Side 1: I have something to say.
Side 2: I have something to say.
'Both sides-ism':
Side 1: The other side may think differently and those thoughts may have some validity but, I have some things to say.
Side 2: Those are good points, and they shouldn't be ignored, but I have some points also.
Specific examples:
Side 1: Climate is going to kill us!
Side 2: I don't believe that but, *giving credit to your side*, what's the proposed solution? Expending time and resources on your concerns is fine, but it shouldn't go too far.
Side 1: Immigrants have rights!
Side 2: *Your side has merit* in that they do, but everyone has rights. If we're going to extend positive rights to immigrants, we have to roll the burden of positive rights to natives back, if only because of the obvious case that as the immigrants become natives, the burden grows larger.
Side 1: COVID!
Side 2: *I agree with your side that all infectious disease is a concern*, but we have and do produce far worse social outcomes as policy than IDs have historically been able to attain.
BOAF SIDEZ-ism:
Side 1: What I think is of primary and unquestionable importance. The other side is going to raise points that either agree with me or are immaterial, but we shouldn't literally or metaphorically burn their business to the ground to prevent them from saying them.
Side 2: Uh, yeah, I do have some points and I don't want my business burned down. Here's the most limited interpretation of my points that I don't think will get my business burned down.
Side 1: Ugh, I used to listen to you because it's good to get 'both sides' but you're a just hack presenting disinformation. Just shut up unless I need your forgiveness for burning your business to the ground.
Specific examples:
COVID, climate, immigration, election reform, LGBTQ rights, free speech, free association, etc., etc.
https://twitter.com/annakhachiyan/status/1598918022298599431?t=qGNHoAwlxQpmXc2OQKVAig&s=19
How many “smoking guns” will it take to “move the dial”?
One would be a start.
Why weren't there any in "Part 1", one wonders?
"One would be a start."
TDS-addled shits are capable of amazing feats regarding ignorance of reality.
Latest breaking news... TRUMP WILL SAVE US ALL by killing, not just Section 230, but also, the USA cunts-tits-tuition!!!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
Trump calls for the termination of the Constitution in Truth Social post
MIGHT MAKES RIGHT, and the right-wing wrong-nuts will make it ALL right! TRUST IN US, they say!!!
JungleBook Kaa Trust in Me... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZY8jUuEzJQ
Not even the opinion piece you quoted from CNN actually says that, sarcasmic. But like you, I remain shitlessly terrified of the damage that Donald Trump may do to the constitution as a real estate developer and social media proprietor. It makes me glad we have a president in office who just declared that the 2nd amendment is unconscionable and that semi-automatic firearms must be banned.
"...A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” Trump wrote in a post...
We must TRUST in Trump WHENEVER AND WHEREVER He sees "Massive Fraud"! 'Cause He's TRUMP, and He is with OUR Tribe! AND we must ALSO trust His Perfect Judgment when He Personally Selects WHICH clauses of the USA Constitution are worth listening to, and which are NOT!
(What could possibly go wrong here?)
Fuck off and die, spastic asshole.
This isn't an "opinion piece" on CNN:
“Do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” Trump wrote in a post on the social network Truth Social"
He'd never do it, though. We all saw how he chickened out of even marching to Congress with his mob on Jan 6. He's a coward.
On more TDS-addled shit pile heard from. Where did Trump touch you. spam?
I must have suppressed that memory.
No such question where you were touched, Scato, is there?
"I must have suppressed that memory."
Along with developing a raging case of TDS, shit-pile.
What difference, at this point, does it make?
could have been the title of this article.
Yeah, and with a bit of honesty on the part of NYT, WaPo, CNN. CBS, PBS, SF Chron, etc, it might be "What difference, at that time, could it have made?".
Not likely to get any apologies from that crowd.
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It was just another blatant attempt at election interference, and it worked.
No, it didn't.
Oh, you're not referring to the beautiful "October Surprise" Trump was denied, after his campaign dumped the Hunter laptop hard drive image on the NYPo on October 4, 2020 (after having had it in its custody since August 2020).
"Oh, you’re not referring to the beautiful “October Surprise” Trump was denied, after his campaign dumped the Hunter laptop hard drive image on the NYPo on October 4, 2020 (after having had it in its custody since August 2020)."
It is not surprising that TDS-addled shits make claims like this.....
And provide no support for them at all.
I wasn't aware I was "making a claim". It was simply an observation based on a timeline of the factual events:
Mac guy says he gave it to Giuliani's lawyers in August 2020; NYPo says they first received it from Giuliani on October 4, 2020.
https://www.theshortcut.com/p/twitter-files
Ergo, Giuliani (Trump's team) had their hands on the information for over a month before dropping it onto the NYPo. What they did with it while they had it is not known, nor why they waited until October to make it public (as they had been asked to do by Mac guy).
I haven't seen any evidence that they manipulated any of the data on the hard drive image (which could have been checked against the FBI's copy in any case), so I would surmise that the reason they held onto it was primarily so they could spring the "October Surprise" they so dearly wanted. Too soon, and it would have been clear that there was really nothing there to smear Joe Biden, too late and too many people would have already voted and/or not got the message in time to vote for Trump.
Private (albeit biased) media refused to play along, and the wide distribution of the "revelations" in time to influence the election was disrupted. And much butthurt ensued.
"I wasn’t aware I was “making a claim”..."
This is not surprising; as a TDS-addled shit-pile, there are many things of which you are unaware.
"Mac guy says he gave it to Giuliani’s lawyers in August 2020; NYPo says they first received it from Giuliani on October 4, 2020."
=/=
"the beautiful “October Surprise” Trump was denied, after his campaign dumped the Hunter laptop hard drive image on the NYPo on October 4, 2020 (after having had it in its custody since August 2020)."
Again, manufacturing propaganda is par for the course among TDS-addled shit-piles.
It is quite revealing that you have nothing of substance to say (unless that substance is excrement, of course!) when confronted with inconvenient facts. Shame!
The Meeting of the Right Rightist Minds will now come to Odor!
Years ago by now, Our Dear Leader announced to us, the He may commit murder in broad daylight, and we shall still support Him! So He Has Commanded, and So Must it be Done!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters
And now, oh ye Faithful of the Republican Church, It Has Become Known Unto us, that it is also in His Power and Privilege Ass Well, to murder the USA Constitution in broad daylight. Thus He Has Spoken, and Thus Must It Be Done! Render ye Unto Trump, and NOT unto some moldering old scrap of bathroom tissue! Lest we be called fools, or worse!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
Proud Boys, STAND with TRUMP, and stand by! And if ye don’t agree 110%, then we don’t need you polluting our world, because all who disagree in ANY way are LEFTISTS!!!
There, I think that’s a wrap! I’ve covered it ALL! You can take the rest of the day off.
(You’re welcome!)
We must eliminate elections. Elections CAUSED this sort of stuff and there is no way elections can uncause this sort of stuff.
Sortition for the win.
Nope.
Bad as this is, we might get truly evil chicken little shist like you instead.
I mean, this is just part one. We'll see where it goes. But considering that people on the left were--basically up until yesterday--claiming that this was a conspiracy theory, this is not nothing.
There is more to consider here. It's unlikely that--given the access the Biden team had to Twitter during the campaign--that it suddenly got cut off after the election. Politicians do not give up such tools easily.
Beyond the legal question, there's a legitimate case to be made for this sort of behavior disqualifying a candidate for office, no matter what party they belong to. Having the receipts for this particular incident shows that some sort of response is necessary. Not necessarily a legal response, though.
It's amusing that the defense has become, on the left, "there's nothing illegal here." This is basically the defense people on the right have made for Trump's various unethical business dealings. They aren't illegal. And people on the left made the argument (somewhat convincingly) that whether the behavior was legal or not, it was unethical and said something substantive about the candidate. Now the rhetorical tables have flipped. No surprise.
The FIX is in!!! The FIX is to IGNORE and negate the USA cunts-tits-tuition!!!!
Thus Spake The Donald!!! OBEY and BOW LOW, peons!!!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
These people don't understand this pattern repeats itself with every media outlet and every big story of the day.
This is basically the defense people on the right have made for Trump’s various unethical business dealings. They aren’t illegal.
Uh, there's a (civil) trial going on right now about whether the Trump Organization engaged in tax fraud. People "on the right" defending Trump that way haven't been paying attention. He's been accused for years of illegal business practices.
I mean, this is just part one. We’ll see where it goes. But considering that people on the left were–basically up until yesterday–claiming that this was a conspiracy theory, this is not nothing.
Having read the summary of the "Twitter Files" the reporter tweeted with its images of emails, I'm still not seeing what is surprising or new. Some people from Biden's campaign sent Twitter's people some links to tweets that they thought Twitter should look at. Okay... what were those tweets? If they were "handled," why? Claims I've read elsewhere was that they were 'revenge porn' images or links featuring Hunter. Am I mistaken about that? Should Twitter leave that kind of thing up?
I can certainly agree that they shouldn't have flagged or taken down any posts just because they linked to the NY Post article. But nothing that I read from Matt Tiabbi said that Twitter did that at the behest of anyone outside of Twitter.
OK, shitpile, one more engagement:
"...Uh, there’s a (civil) trial going on right now about whether the Trump Organization engaged in tax fraud. People “on the right” defending Trump that way haven’t been paying attention. He’s been accused for years of illegal business practices..."
TDS-addled shit-piles like you have accused him of all sorts of things, and so far, in spite of investigations which would have found you guilty of screwing your grandma, the most they've found is some un-paid parking tickets by people who 'knew' him.
"...Having read the summary of the “Twitter Files” the reporter tweeted with its images of emails, I’m still not seeing what is surprising or new..."
Oh, how disingenuous can we get? So, as a lefty shit, you are immune to surprise at the Biden's admin's strong-arming and it's 'old news' besides? Pathetic.
"Some people from Biden’s campaign sent Twitter’s people some links to tweets that they thought Twitter should look at. Okay… what were those tweets? If they were “handled,” why? Claims I’ve read elsewhere was that they were ‘revenge porn’ images or links featuring Hunter. Am I mistaken about that? Should Twitter leave that kind of thing up?"
Need a new shovel to keep digging that hole deeper, murderous pile of lefty shit? Gimme your address; one will be shipped post haste.
Honest curiosity:
Are you paid to act as stupidly as you come across, or are you so stupid you do not understand how stupid you are?
More has already been documented:
”...By 2020, requests from connected actors to delete tweets were routine. One executive would write to another: ‘More to review from the Biden team.’ The reply would come back: ‘Handled.’
Taibbi shared a screenshot of that October 2020 exchange featuring links to tweets Biden’s team allegedly wanted taken down. Many of them were to tweets featuring pornographic images of Hunter Biden found in his laptop, according to Washington Free Beacon investigative reporter Andrew Kerr…”
https://www.foxnews.com/media/elon-musk-reveals-twitter-suppressing-hunter-biden-story-2020
Do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.
Everyone that ever supported Trump, from politicians to voters, needs to be asked a simple, yes or no question: “Do you agree with Trump that the “termination” of the Constitution is justified in order for Trump to be President again?”
Anyone that says no, should then be asked a simple, yes or no follow up question: “Can Trump be seen as fit to hold office ever again?”
Trump swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. That is the oath that gives the Oath Keepers their name. Two of their leaders are going to jail because of their efforts to support Trump. How should they feel now that Trump has said in plain language that his oath was a lie?
Just once, you murderous pile of lefty shit, you’ll get engaged.
Here's the direct quote:
"...A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."
Do you see Trump requiring the Constitution be terminated? Of course you don't; you see Trump engaged in rhetoric which iss beyond the ken of idiotic piles of lefty shit like you.
“…Everyone that ever supported Trump, from politicians to voters, needs to be asked a simple, yes or no question: “Do you agree with Trump that the “termination” of the Constitution is justified in order for Trump to be President again?”…”
Every time Trump is “quoted” by lefty shits, it is never what he actually said. So I’ll ask: Do lefty shits promise to fuck off and die the next time you’re caught lying?
“…Anyone that says no, should then be asked a simple, yes or no follow up question: “Can Trump be seen as fit to hold office ever again?…”
Caught lying again, lefty shit – fuck off and die.
“… How should they feel now that Trump has said in plain language that his oath was a lie?”
One more lie, steaming pile of lefty shit. Tell us the location of your grave so I have a proper place to piss.
Sevo, just HOW empty-headed can you GET?
As if a spastic asshole would have any ability to know.
Fuck off and die.
Oh, and, spastic asshole, your well-documented abysmal stupidity, combined with your (we sincerely hope) fatal case of TDS make it no surprise you swallowed the propaganda hook, line and sinker.
Fuck off and die.
Trump is simply taking the progressive position that the purpose of the Constitution is to support "democracy" and when if fails to do so, it must be ignored.
True Democracy, as opposed to real democracy, has results that don't correspond to actual vote counts, but represents the "True Will of the People" just as Rousseau described it.
True Democracy does away with the frailties and corruption to which humans are prone and allows the truth to be seen beyond the veil of reality.
Only by restoring the Philosopher King to his rightful station can True Democracy be vindicated and True Justice be attained.
I personally think Trump has lost it. And after that rant, stick a fork in him, he's done. He's not getting my vote in the primaries, for sure, and I might just cast a protest 3rd party vote if he does get the nomination. Depends on how awful the Democratic nominee is.
Yeah, his oath was a lie. That doesn't distinguish him from most Presidents. Remember Obama, the 'constitutional scholar' who took that oath? Told everybody he didn't have the constitutional authority to do DACA on his own.
Then the next year he did it anyway, because Congress, the branch of government that actually COULD have constitutionally done it, refused.
He shat on his oath of office, and no question he knew that's what he was doing.
The current occupant of the Oval office doesn't evince even the slightest awareness (I guess I could stop there.) that the Constitution actually places any limits on his powers. He just goes ahead and does stuff.
So, yeah, I care that Trump was lying when he took the oath, but that's more in the nature of being disappointed by having my expectations fulfilled, than a shocker. I pretty much expected he would, I knew for sure his opponent would.
Have most presidents talked about terminating the Constitution when an election didn't turn out the way they wanted it to? There is simply no equivalence here. Any attempt to say, "Yeah, but..." just doesn't work. Trump finally said what he really meant the whole time, but in words that simply cannot be explained away, and nothing will distract from them either.
If we really believe in constitutional limits to government power, and that government power really does derive from the consent of the governed through elections, then we have to be willing to lose. We have to put honoring the results of elections above all policy preferences. Arguments over separation of powers, the boundaries of constitutional rights, and the limits of government power are important. But they are also debates that we have been having since the Founding. It wasn't until Trump that we had a President that actually refused to acknowledge losing an election and called for the certified results to be tossed out along with the Constitution itself because of his loss.
No more excuses, no more whataboutism. There is simply no way around it. The whole MAGA/Trump cult is what should have a fork stuck in it. It is done. Winning and having their way is all there is.
Refusing to vote for Trump in a primary is no where near good enough. I was one of the 55% of Republican primary voters in 2016 that voted for someone other than Trump, but he won the Presidency because I was one of the very few registered Republicans that wouldn't vote for him in the general election. When are people going to learn that voting for the "lesser evil" is still voting for evil? When will they learn that the only way to get better candidates in your preferred party is to stop voting for shit candidates in the general if they win the primary? Eventually, other voters will catch on that it is important not to vote for nuts and they won't win primaries as often and/or those that aren't extremists that usually skip primaries will start seeing them as important.
"...He shat on his oath of office, and no question he knew that’s what he was doing..."
You're as full of shit as Jason.
Fuck off and die.
So what if we already "knew", confirmation eliminates any doubt of the lack of seriousness in American journalism today.
Everybody knows twitter suppressed the laptop story.
I for one don't care about who or why.
There is obviously an interest in some quarters in making as much out of this as possible, but you're right. Everybody does know that Twitter suppressed the Hunter's Laptop story in the NYPo. And part of the reason we know it is because Twitter told us so last year:
"March 2021: Then-Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey, before he stepped down from the company, attended a virtual hearing for the US House Energy and Commerce Committee. He called the blocking of the New York Post story a “total mistake.” When asked why the New York Post Twitter account was banned from posting any tweets for nearly two weeks, Dorsey said it is because The Post was required to delete their tweet to the online version of the Hunter Biden laptop leak story. “Even though the tweet was accurate?” asked a puzzled US Rep. Steve Scalise before bringing up Section 230 protections (these protections offer immunity for “interactive computer services” like Twitter and Facebook where third-party users produce content, but when social media platforms start censoring one side vs the other, essentially picking political winners and losers, government officials begin to threaten to revise or strip them of Section 230). “It was literally just a process error,” said Dorsey. “We changed that [policy].”"
https://www.theshortcut.com/p/twitter-files
TDS-addles, supporter of murder tries the ‘it’s old news’ gambit.
Fuck off and die.
"I for one don’t care about who or why."
Lefty shit tries the 'it's old news' gambit.
Fuck off and die.
Taibbi apologists should reflect. He has re-invented his career as an anti_rissia-gate journalist. What was Russia-gate? It was the media's blowing up and sensationalizing little nuggets of truth and allegations. A repeated drumbeat of bombshells that died away as a series of duds and all based on the "appearance" of malfeasance. So Taibbi is guilty of doing exactly what he has railed against for years. Twitter did what he wanted all the media to do with the Steele dossier and subsequent leaks. That the laptop turned out to be legit is irrelevant. What if the pee tape shows up tomorrow? Still doubt it? Good, you are doing proper vetting. The laptop smelled fishy at the time. Oh and, let's not forget that Twitter is not the sole source of news on this planet. It was published. You are fee to see Hunter's parts right now if you wish. So Taibbi is crying censorship even though you are capable of seeing the contents of the laptop and have been able to for some time. I am embarrassed for Taibbi. He used to be a good journalist but became a professional contrarian with a brand. His brand has turned into a bias and now he is stuck.
Heraclitus: "Look over there!!!!"
Ah, Clinton/Democrat excuse #7: "That was already known, so it doesn't matter." You really aren't doing propaganda very well.
We have concrete and specific evidence that Twitter INTERFERED in the 2020 election with a massive MISINFORMATION campaign. And you just shrug your shoulders.
What I find amazing about all this is not just the great job Matt Taibbi has done but the reaction from the lefty snowflakes.
One would be led to believe that Elon Musk is the second coming of Hitler. Some have even compared him to Hitler. Talk about wandering off the reservation.......
It's gratifying to see the liberal snowflakes having such a melt down. Very entertaining.
What's next one can only guess but for sure some will be calling for Musk's head on a pike others have attempted to dismiss Taibbi as some sort of evil pro Russian agent.
The fiction the left comes up with would make a very poor novel indeed.
Tyranny Abounds
“Where the people fear the government, you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people, you have liberty.” -John Basil Barnhill (1914)
Elon Musk claims to be freeing Twitter from the tyrannical censorship that we witness from even so-called conservative outlets — or is he? Reportedly, Mr. Musk may be bowing to illegal extortion exerted by our federal government. He may be withholding some of the internal communications among the so-called moderators on Twitter and others. If so, his bowing is understandable in the current context of increasing governmental tyranny.
Solution? One Founding Father’s recommendation.
“I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.” -Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
https://www.nationonfire.com/the-wall-street-journal-censorship-hypocrisy-too/ .
You're only speculating. Furthermore you sound more like a troll than anything.
Elon Musk is not perfect, neither is anyone else, you, me or all the rest. Yet he has done something that has the left utterly and completely out of their minds. The melt downs are delicious and deserved as the leftists have had it their way for so long they naturally assume it will always be that way.
They are completely mistaken.
I have been considering subscribing to the Reason website, but articles like this have made me reconsider.
1. "We", meaning people who follow this website, the mainstream media and left-wing elites, and many conservatives knew about the suppression of the Biden laptop story by Twitter and other social media websites, and knew that this was done to help the Biden campaign, probably at its behest and at the behest of parties inside government favoring Biden.
But many average Americans did not know. That was the purpose of suppressing the story.
2. What the Musk/Taibbi revelations give is smoking gun proof of the censorship and where the drive for it was coming from. Now, when average Americans are informed of these activities, they cannot be denied as "mere allegations".
Yes, "we" "knew". We already had justified true belief about this. But now the justification just got appreciably strengthened.
Do better, Reason.
You know who else censored communication…
Hahaha
Sleepy Joe has aa apparent conflict of interest.
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Bigotry is defined by refusal to consider counter arguments.
Exactly what bigots who can’t refute what they deny are doing when they “mute” them.
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This bigot ostensibly doesn’t even know who or what it is replying to.