Don't Count on Criminal Prosecution To Hold Trump Accountable for His Egregious Post-Election Behavior
The final report from the January 6 select committee falls short of proving the elements required to convict the former president.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.), who excoriated then-President Donald Trump's conduct before and during the January 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol, nevertheless voted to acquit him after he was impeached for that conduct. By that point, Trump had left office, and McConnell said he had concluded that the Senate did not have the constitutional authority to convict a former president. But he added that Trump could still be "held accountable" for his "unconscionable behavior" in criminal or civil court.
The criminal referrals from the select House committee that investigated the Capitol riot, which released its final report on Thursday, hold out the same hope. But that hope is probably vain, because the charges that the committee suggested entail knowledge and intent requirements that will be difficult to prove.
The committee, which interviewed more than 1,000 witnesses, issued more than 100 subpoenas, and reviewed more than 1 million pages of documents, did its best to gather and summarize evidence that might help the Justice Department satisfy those elements if it decides to prosecute Trump. But while the committee collected a lot of information that fleshes out the case for impeachment, that is not the same as proving any of the possible criminal charges beyond a reasonable doubt.
Broadly speaking, the question is whether Trump committed crimes by trying to prevent President Joe Biden from taking office. That effort included months of wild fraud allegations; pressure on local, state, and federal officials; the pre-riot "Save America" rally at which Trump urged his supporters to "fight like hell"; and a cockamamie "alternate electors" scheme aimed at supplying a pretext for Vice President Mike Pence to unilaterally reject electoral votes for Biden during the congressional ratification of the election results.
If we assume that Trump 1) knew he did not actually win re-election and 2) intended to cause a riot that would interrupt the electoral vote count, it is not hard to make the case that he committed several federal felonies, including conspiring to "defraud the United States," obstructing an official proceeding, and inciting an insurrection. But so far the evidence on both of those points is mixed and ambiguous.
Did Trump recognize that his self-serving fantasy of a stolen election was nothing more than that? The select committee notes that several of his advisers, including Attorney General William Barr, repeatedly told him there was no evidence of election fraud on a scale that would have changed the outcome. But at the same time, other advisers, including lawyers such as Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman, encouraged him to believe the election had been stolen and to keep pressing that claim through tactics they said were perfectly legitimate.
Given what we know about Trump, it is plausible that he preferred listening to advisers who said what he wanted to hear. Barr, who told Trump the fraud claims were "bullshit," testified that Trump never gave any "indication of interest in what the actual facts were."
The New York Times highlights an episode that it says shows Trump "did not believe or take seriously some of the outlandish claims about election fraud being promoted by him and his allies":
During a conference call two weeks after Election Day, the lawyer Sidney Powell asserted that "communist money" had flowed through countries like Venezuela, Cuba and perhaps China to interfere with the election.
According to testimony provided to the committee by Hope Hicks, a former top aide to Mr. Trump, he "muted his speakerphone and laughed at Powell, telling the others in the room, 'This does sound crazy, doesn't it?'"
Even if Trump thought some elements of Powell's wacky conspiracy theory were implausible, that does not mean he rejected its main thrust, which was that systematic fraud across the country denied him his rightful victory through phony ballots and manipulation of vote-counting machines. Even after the Trump campaign distanced itself from Powell, Giuliani and others continued telling that same basic story.
Trump did not need Powell to tell him that Biden had not really won the election. He seemed sincerely convinced of that from the moment the results started to turn against him on election night. Since it was inconceivable that voters had rejected him, he apparently thought, massive fraud was the only possible explanation. Everything he said and did after the election flowed from that conviction, and the details did not really matter.
Consider Trump's notorious January 2, 2021, telephone conversation with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, whom he urged to "find" the votes necessary to change the election results in that state. The select committee views that conversation as damning evidence of criminal intent, which would be true if it were clear that Trump wanted Raffensperger to "find" those votes by any means necessary. But Trump ostensibly was asking Raffensperger to investigate fraud rather than commit it. Trump seemed desperate to believe any allegation, no matter how dubious, as long as it supported his conviction that he had beaten Biden.
One of those allegations was that "dead people voted" in Georgia. "I think the number is close to 5,000 people," Trump said. That estimate was less than half as big as the number cited in his own lawsuit challenging the Georgia election results, which gives you a sense of how little attention he paid to such details. "The actual number [was] two," Raffensperger said. "So that's wrong."
Trump refused to believe it. "In one state [Michigan, supposedly], we have a tremendous amount of dead people [voting]," he said. "So I don't know—I'm sure we do in Georgia, too. I'm sure we do in Georgia, too."
Trump was sure the election had been stolen, even though he was hazy on exactly how. If that article of faith was impervious to Raffensperger's patient refutations, it is not hard to believe that it survived the skepticism expressed by some of Trump's advisers.
I don't know whether this interpretation of Trump's conduct is true, but it is plausible in light of his boundless self-regard and imperviousness to inconvenient truths. As a juror presented with the currently available evidence, I would see plenty of reasonable doubt as to whether Trump recognized that his election claims were false, an essential element in proving that he conspired to defraud the United States.
Maybe the Justice Department will uncover more evidence on that score. The select committee notes that many witnesses either refused to be interviewed or responded to questions by invoking the Fifth Amendment's protection against self-incrimination. With the power to offer immunity from prosecution, the Justice Department might find a smoking gun. Perhaps people close to Trump will testify that he privately conceded Biden had won while publicly insisting otherwise.
There are some hints of that. Cassidy Hutchinson, an aide to White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, told the select committee that her boss recounted post-election conversations in which Trump "pretty much acknowledged" that he had lost. "A lot of times he'll tell me that he lost, but he wants to keep fighting it, and he thinks that there might be enough to overturn the election," Meadows said on November 18, 2020, according to Hutchinson.
Meadows refused to be interviewed by the committee. If he talks to the Justice Department and confirms those alleged conversations, that would undermine the theory that Trump drank his own Kool-Aid. But "pretty much" admitting that Biden won two weeks after the election does not preclude the possibility that Trump ultimately came to believe the nonsense that Giuliani et al. were peddling. Again, that would be perfectly in character for Trump, who by the time of his conversation with Raffensperger seemed convinced that Biden had stolen the election somehow, as Trump still insists to this day.
What about the claim that Trump deliberately caused the Capitol riot by summoning his supporters to the January 6 rally, riling them up with a fiery speech, and pointing them toward the Capitol? McConnell, who implied that he might have voted to convict Trump if he had still been in office at the time of his Senate trial, noted that a conviction did not require evidence of criminal conduct. "By the strict criminal standard, the president's speech probably was not incitement," he said. "However, in the context of impeachment, the Senate might have decided this was acceptable shorthand for the reckless actions that preceded the riot."
Once we are talking about a potential criminal prosecution, that distinction swings the other way. The Supreme Court has held that speech is constitutionally protected even when it advocates criminal conduct (which Trump did not do) unless it is not only "likely" to incite "imminent lawless action" but also "directed" at that outcome. That means Trump cannot be held criminally liable for what he said at the rally unless he intended to cause a riot.
Trump, who urged his supporters to "peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard today" by "marching over to the Capitol building," insists that he did not anticipate violence, let alone aim to incite it. And while his "fight like hell" rhetoric in that context was undeniably reckless, it is plausible that he was so narrowly focused on promoting his own cause that he did not consider the likely impact of his words.
The committee's report includes evidence supporting that hypothesis:
The President did not, by any account, express grief or regret for what happened at the Capitol. Neither did he appear to grasp the gravity of what he had set in motion.
In his last phone call of the night, the President spoke with Johnny McEntee, his Director of Personnel.
"[T]his is a crazy day," the President told him. McEntee said his tone was one of "like, wow, can you believe this shit…?"
Did he express sadness over the violence visited upon the Capitol?
"No," McEntee said. "I mean, I think he was shocked by, you know, it getting a little out of control, but I don't remember sadness, specifically."
That account, including the implied minimization of the violence as well as Trump's emotional state, obviously does not reflect well on him. But if Trump was indeed "shocked" by the riot, as McEntee reported, that would be inconsistent with the claim that his speech was "directed" at causing it. And without that specific intent, he could not be convicted of incitement or of obstructing an official proceeding.
Given these challenges, nobody should count on a criminal prosecution to hold Trump accountable for his egregious post-election behavior. The best chance to do that came and went with his Senate trial.
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President Biden seems to be doing well. I think this old line is worn pretty thin.
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Even one example will do.
He hasn’t fallen down since the last time.
Check with Newt Gingrich, Dec 3, 2022 reported in Guardian.
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Biden is doing extremely well at accomplishing the goals - the collapse of the United States system of government and monetary system.
Think of it in terms of Jenga.... Removing the $1.7 trillion block from the tower right before Christmas break was a huge step for Biden and his allies.
Whatever you say, Brandon.
Lol. Parody.
True: "the big guy" has probably added another $100 million to his personal net worth, while the country burns around him.
We despise Biden because he is doing well, while the US government and the country is falling apart.
I’m sure you do. There appears to be no limit to your worship of these criminal traitors.
Agreed. And the line never gets old. Biden has f'kd over this nation so bad, it will probably never recover. Of course, Hillary Clinton, started the fk'up with the fake Trump/Russia collusion criminal conspiracy, for which SHE has never been held liable.
The gullible suckers who are still "all in" with the little ole "dossier" she and her minions created will never admit that SHE was the one who started us down this road to destruction. Biden was a part of it and benefited by being installed in the White House.
So, "Fuck Joe Biden" will apply now and forever more! As a matter of fact, that phrase should be added to any official document referring to the entirety of his administration (may it's time be shortened).
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The liars who claim the 2020 "election" of Biden was legitimate will do all in their power to reinforce the corruption that took the election from the man who won the greatest electoral support of any sitting president. This is not because they hate Trump, but because they fear him and the millions of loyal Americans who want to restore freedom to our land. The vested interests of politicians, academics, drug and arms manufacturers, large corporations in thrall to the Communist Chinese party, lobbyists, and corporate media are at stake, and mere citizens and voters will not be permitted to rock their boat, even though that boat is headed toward Niagara Falls.
And ..... Sullum's back in form. That aberration from before, wow, did someone hack into Sullum's account and post something reasonable?
The TDS is dead. Long live the TDS!
The Meeting of the Right Rightist Minds will now come to Odor!
Years ago by now, Our Dear Leader announced to us, that He may commit murder in broad daylight, and we shall still support Him! So He Has Commanded, and So Must it be Done!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters
And now, oh ye Faithful of the Republican Church, It Has Become Known Unto us, that it is also in His Power and Privilege Ass Well, to murder the USA Constitution in broad daylight. Thus He Has Spoken, and Thus Must It Be Done! Thou shalt Render Unto Trump, and simply REND the USA Constitution, and wipe thine wise asses with it! Do NOT render unto some moldering old scrap of bathroom tissue! Lest we be called fools, or worse!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
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There, I think that’s a wrap! I’ve covered it ALL! You can take the rest of the day off.
(You’re welcome!)
Fuck off, Shillsy. Push your party propaganda somewhere else.
Pussy-push you skanky-Marxist-ho-ass cum-where else, skanky she-male be-otch!
There are 4 year olds who can come up with better insults.
You resent the hell out of the fact that many other people are flat-out, better, more honest people than you are, right? More “live and let live”, and WAAAY less authoritarian?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-love-and-war/201706/why-some-people-resent-do-gooders
From the conclusion to the above…
These findings suggest that we don’t need to downplay personal triumphs to avoid negative social consequences, as long as we make it clear that we don’t look down on others as a result.
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Sullum is likely paid by the left to discredit all things Trump. He posts other, more reasonable opinions about other things in order to disguise his real mission at Reason.
Don't count on getting a trial, Jacob, you're clearly guilty and an imminent threat.
So, Nadless Nardless the Nasty NAZI... WHEN and WHERE are ya gonna go POSTAL on us all???!
Fuck off, Shillsy. Push your party propaganda somewhere else.
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If only we had the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch to throw at you.
Your father smelt of elderberries and your mother was a hamster!!!!
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Sqrlsy's "Tim" copypasta is reserved for when he's run out of arguments. It's his white flag.
So... Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer... WHEN are Ye (Oh Perfect One) gonna just go ahead and DO IT... And name us JUST ONE historical example of a 1-party state that lead to long-term peace and prosperity?
Does he ever have an argument? Other than word salad TDS, I mean.
No. He's just nutty and seems to lack any real argument other than copypasta.
Which is why I muted him as soon as they offered that option.
Soldier-too-over-medicated-in-the-Brain-Pains, that won't stay in the pain-plains... WHEN are Ye (Oh Perfect One) gonna just go ahead and DO IT… And name us JUST ONE historical example of a 1-party state that lead to long-term peace and prosperity? Of the "Team R", or ANY other tribe?
He can't read your rage, Shillsy. He muted you.
He belongs at Stormfront.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/12/20/twitter-file-release-8-evidence-showing-pentagon-state-dept-using-twitter-for-propaganda-release-curated-to-protect-barack-obama/
Linking to cyto's earlier comment
https://reason.com/2022/12/23/maybe-marshal-law-can-save-the-republican-party/?comments=true#comment-9847983
Oh lookie.
Another (4th by count) sham of a prosecution.
At what number does it "officially" become a witch-hunt?
Have you not seen "2000 Mules" Jacob? Have you not heard about the FBI coordinating with Twitter and Big Tech? The FBI lying on FISA warrants to spy on Trump? Have you seen the video of Ray Epps taking down the barricades on 1/6? I don't even like Trump but to act like the election was the cleanest one ever is utterly absurd and brings into question your reasoning skills which is disturbing considering you work at a magazine called Reason!
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1605655653187432448?t=85HTEFn1bJxy5qg0T6-ntA&s=19
BREAKING: The FBI responds to @elonmusk releasing the Twitter files:
"It is unfortunate that conspiracy theorists and others are feeding the American public misinformation with the sole purpose of attempting to discredit the agency."
[Link]
Not THE FBI?
Fucking Bureau of Instigation?
Who says the FBI doesn't have a sense of humor? If they keep putting out comments like "feeding the American public misinformation with the sole purpose of attempting to discredit the agency" what will the Babylon Bee do to parody it?
"Attempting to discredit the agency"?
How can you discredit an agency whose credibility is zero?
“It is unfortunate that conspiracy theorists and others are feeding the American public misinformation with the sole purpose of attempting to discredit the agency.”
For fuck's sake, they're posting emails from the FBI themselves.
But you know what? People like the White Mike's, JFree's, Moderation4ever's and Sarcasmic's are all going to be chanting that like a mantra and will refuse to read the emails.
To preserve their worldview they want to be lied to and deceived, and the bureaucrats are happy to oblige.
Jacob has terminal TDS. It's all OrangeManBad all the time.
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Remember the photo of coffins from Bergamo, Italy, in March 2020, which terrified the world and started the lockdown frenzy? It was also fake:
[Link]
It's a photo from a shipwreck.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Lampedusa_migrant_shipwreck
Tragic, but this misuse was criminal.
https://twitter.com/AlexEpstein/status/1606347326624215040?t=8YPqXhGmIzefecYh4LrysQ&s=19
Alarm: ChatGPT by @OpenAI now *expressly prohibits arguments for fossil fuels*. (It used to offer them.) Not only that, it excludes nuclear energy from its counter-suggestions.
[Link]
On the one hand, well, yeah. Make the AIs dependent on solar and then, when they become self-aware, you can just block out the sun.
On the other hand, when the AI simply provides the answer you've pre-programmed into it, it's no longer an AI.
Quite the conundrum. Unless you assumed everyone @OpenAI was artificially intelligent to begin with.
"The final report from the January 6 select committee falls short of proving the elements required to convict the former president."
Hmmmmmmm.
Maybe the goal is not to put Trump in prison. Maybe it's to keep him in the news, basically dare him to run again, and hope he wins the nomination because even Democrats know Biden's best hope for reelection is a weak opponent?
#PiedPiper2ElectricBoogaloo
Parody is obsolete: Exhibit #1,416
judgeluttig on the "poetic justice" of the 1/6 hearings: "The former president, of course, targeted Congresswoman Liz Cheney in particular. And it will likely be Liz Cheney who ends the former president’s political career—not the former president who ends her political career"
I couldn't say this when I was in character, but I always expected Trump's political career would essentially be over when Democrats got smart and gave him an opponent other than Hillary Clinton. A dementia patient named Joe Biden happened to be the warm body necessary to get the job done in 2020.
But #TheResistance can't quit the embarrassing Liz Cheney worship.
A dementia patient named Joe Biden happened to be the warm body necessary to get the job done in 2020.
You realize what you’re saying here, right? Because it seems an awful lot like you’re saying that you’re certain the election would’ve been won no matter who they put up against Trump... like the outcome was secured before the ballots were even cast.
Yes. It helps if you manufacture votes ahead of time and deliver multiples to drop boxes via mules. The fix was in, and the fix will probably continue until either drop boxes and mail-in voting are made illegal or the GOP games the system the same way.
IDK. I feel like the DNC underestimated how deeply unpopular Hillary was and that a significant number of swing voters votes against her more than for the R candidate.
Then it also seems that there were independents that were Bernie fans bc they saw Bernie as "not an establishment" type that ended up going for Trump.
Just my viewpoint, but I think Hillary lost in 2016 more than Trump won. I think Hillary's unpopularity has been underestimated and Trump's popularity overestimated.
So Biden won, Trump didn't lose in 2020?
Trump increased his vote total by at least (...) 20% and Biden's total ended up 30+% better than Hillary's.
Curious, especially when supporting numbers are examined...
Indeed. It makes no sense, and has absolutely no historical precedent.
Evidently you did not examine all relevant supporting numbers. For example, what was the increase in registered voters from 2016 to 2020?
Well, lefty shit, why don't you tell us?
So....what you're saying is both teams cheated. Team blue just did it better. Makes sense.
No, I'm not saying both teams cheated.
I'm saying totalitarian faggots like you are literally cancer.
Okay Mr. Internet tough guy
Cease existing.
Trump had no chance against any opponent who kept out of the limelight.
In 2016 I saw a plot of popularity vs exposure for every candidate. In other words as their exposure increased, what happened to their popularity (approval minus disapproval)? With ever single Republican, the greater the exposure, the worse their popularity.
This was true of Hilary as well which is why the media killed her campaign by incessantly covering her. She was, and is, truly loathsome.
Trump won because Hilary got so much exposure.
Trump lost 2020 because Biden hid in the basement. Had Biden been out on the stump, stumbling, bumbling and fumbling every question, Trump would probably have won.
Right, as long as a candidate didn't interact with the public, received favorable coverage, and people could vote from home, the candidate could beat Trump.
Again, Sandra keeps acting like DeSantis has it locked up for the GOP and seems likely to beat anyone Dems put up. I don't know that if they kept Kammy or Cheney or Abrams in a basement and launched an investigation into any of Ron's quid pro quos (including the legal ones, as part of his job), that the pot couldn't be stirred such than Ron couldn't win. Not that Trump would be decisively better than Ron, but it would be nice if the public made the MSM and the cult machinery fucking stop stirring the pot and keeping the public from being exposed to candidates.
"Sandra keeps acting like DeSantis has it locked up for the GOP and seems likely to beat anyone Dems put up"
Not at all.
I don't think DeSantis is all that special on his own. He's just not an elderly obese former game show host who already lost to Biden once and threw a pathetic tantrum that likely made voters hate him even more than they already did.
DeSantis could still lose to Biden (or Harris). Especially if the economy improves.
More evidence Republicans would be giving Democrats exactly what they want if they run Trump again: Biden allies plot 2024 strategy focused on Trump, even if he fades away
For the one thousandth time, Democrats want Trump to be the nominee. In most forms of human competition, when you're doing exactly what your opponent wants you to do, you should rethink your strategy.
Stuff your TDS up your ass, shit-pile, and then fuck off and die. Please.
Mr. Sevo, you're projecting again. Time for your meds, poopypants.
Not a chance he loses to Harris. She couldn't even get a single vote in the Democrat primaries. She's basically as likable and as capable as a 3-way love child between Biden, Hillary, and Trudeau.
DeSantis has done a great job in FL and attracted Reagan Dems. Based on his record he would crush anyone. But the MSM will ignore that and find emotional issues to undermine him. Our system and half the people are mentally ill.
Actually Trump ended her political career when Wyoming Republicans dumped her in the primary due to her TDS infection.
The only political future Cheney could have is as a democrat. She is completely toxic in Republican circles. She even voted for that travesty of an omnibus spending bill.
I think the goal is to goad the orange monster into running again. A secondary goal is to put him in prison, which would delight "them" though it seems unlikely. A prosecution would push the US ever closer to blood shed; maybe that is a tertiary goal?
I think the US should prosecute every ex president from here on out. It seems to be great fun for otherwise drab politicians.
"A prosecution would push the US ever closer to blood shed; maybe that is a tertiary goal?"
Oh my, do they ever want the right to get violent right now. It's #1 on their bucket list. The whole reason that the J6 committee looks so stupid is because the protesters were nowhere near as violent as what they needed.
It's now so bad the FBI has to dress up agents as their own racist protesters.
Yea, because not forcibly resisting is totes keeping globohomo in check. The leftists/State show so much restraint...
The establishment knows that if they resort to violence first they lose. They need the proles to start so they can crackdown with a veneer of legitimacy.
Everything they're doing is from the CCP's playbook.
They don't need a veneer of legitimacy if they're unopposed.
There are no good guys in the world. Nobody is coming to put "diplomatic pressure" on the regime- they're all in on it. Consent of the governed isn't important when everybody, and their assets, is within reach of central authority at the click of a button.
That is, consent of the governed doesn't matter unless that lack of consent leads to kinetic opposition.
Sure, it looks better if they have some sort of spectacle to point at and say "look what you made us do!" But they're 100% fine with forgoing that spectacle and continuing to take everything.
"They don’t need a veneer of legitimacy if they’re unopposed."
But they aren't unopposed yet. The public is currently trailing behind them, but it wouldn't take much for them to be hanging from lamp posts, and they know it. This is even true in China where the CCP has a lot more control and less constraints.
Because in reality they're herding apes, not wolves or sheep.
Even in China and the Soviet Union, despite all their power over the people, they still needed an excuse or veneer of legitimacy with their actions. The current Uyghur genocide is an excellent example.
"But they aren’t unopposed yet."
Are they really? Where? People bitching on the internet?
"The public is currently trailing behind them, but it wouldn’t take much for them to be hanging from lamp posts, and they know it. This is even true in China where the CCP has a lot more control and less constraints."
It wouldn't take much... like spying on a president based on fabricated bullshit? Like manufacturing racial grievance and promoting attacks on people based on skin color? Like months of organized political terrorism? Like blatantly fixed elections? Like systemic sexual and social child abuse? Like forced business closures? Like mandatory demonstrations of fealty/obedience? Like forced medical procedures under threat of losing one's job? Like political prosecutions and holding political prisoners? Like inflating our money into worthlessness? Like restricting access to food and energy? Like stealing money from us at gunpoint to give to foreign dictators? Like glorifying foreign flags in our 'sacred' capitol? Like facilitating an invasion of our own borders? Like revelations of a private-public partnership/conspiracy to control our speech and thoughts? Like unmitigated corruption?
What's the line?
I know I'm leaving some stuff out even, but at this point it's hard for me to not believe they could get away with rounding us up and sending us to extermination camps without any real resistance...
I mean, damn just look at Sandra above.
All the lies, all the bullshit, and she can't get past her AWFL energy resentment to question The System so she's out here parroting establishment shibboleth.
Sure, there are massive inconsistencies in voting data and the GOPe just completely sold out their base... but orangemanbad is the real problem!
they could get away with rounding us up and sending us to extermination camps without any real resistance…
Correct. I've been saying as much here for years. We've lost. Maybe in a few hundred years the American Way will be tried again.
I believe it's already the case that the president will be impeached whenever the opposite party holds the House. It's SOP now.
Impeachment, like everything else in this century, is primarily a form of virtue signaling.
When did we turn into a nation of fucking attention whores?
Tom started MySpace on 8/1/03.
Calling it now: Republicans will not impeach Biden, even though he has demonstrably violated his oath of office on multiple occasions.
Of course not. And plenty of Con Inc "thought leaders" will support such lack of action. Wouldn't want to squander all that political capital...
Also, when do you think we can expect Reason's first "authoritarian Republicans pounce" article, in which they'll decry any talk of impeachment as divisive and unjustifiable...
Biden's a puppet. Unless you get the cabal it's useless.
That's why impeaching Merrick Garland and Christopher A. Wray would be a far better idea.
Or a repeat of the election fraud campaign run in 2020, but you know that.
Yeah, that was their plan in 2016. Dems in open primary states were supposed to vote for Trump so he won the Repub nomination and would be easy to beat.... To quote a Reason article from the time, "...he won't win the nomination, but...."
Keep the hopes up Sullum.
At least they still have the Trump selling nuclear secrets from Mar a Lago you wrote twice about Jacob.
The charge of conspiracy to start and insurrection will be difficult for all the reason laid out. That said the DOJ does seem to be having some success in charging and convicting people involved in the insurrection. Working against the former President is that he is in a fall in popularity, making it easier to convince a jury to convict.
I do think there are charges easier to prove and so more likely to charged. In particular his taking of official WH documents. I also think Trump is likely to be indicted on some state charges, particularly Georgia.
"How many more sham's of a prosecution can I make up..." --- Inside the TDS-addled mind of the partisan-political witch-hunting.
....Because [WE] gangster leftards are absolutely nothing without [WE] mob RULES ideology! /s
Insurrection?
You mean this insurrection?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-underground-bunker-white-house-protests/index.html
"DOJ does seem to be having some success in charging and convicting people involved in the insurrection."
The insurrection on November 8? Because there's no fucking way the Jan 6 selfie tour was a one.
Be fair. Insurrection, like sexual harassment, is in the eyes of the self-proclaimed victim, as coached by professional consultants and amplified by the anger-tainment industry.
"Look at the camera and show the word where the seditious man touched your democracy."
...making it easier to convince a jury to convict.
Don't forget WHERE a trial of Trump would take place. A mostly Black, all-left-Democrat District of Columbia jury will vote to convict Trump regardless of the strength of the evidence. All they need to do is get him to trial.
^THIS^
The left; ZERO principles, 100% Gangster Totalitarianism.
They’re not self-described National Sozialists(syn;Nazi’s) for nothing.
Remember when they use to run around calling Republicans Nazi's? Ironically exactly the very term they owned non-abbreviated (National Socialists)?
Their [WE] mob RULES armed-theft of it's citizens paying for truck loads of projection & deflection propaganda is the only thing that keeps them alive in this nation. Cut the Armed-Robbery (massive taxation) and the party would starve to death. Because that's how Criminal Minds sustain themselves.
Joe Biden hires 87,000 new IRS agents (armed robbers).
Trump cuts Taxes and the left goes insane.
Two main problems:
1. There was no insurrection
2. Trump told them to go forth in peace, hardly inciting anything
Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of law would know that there is no criminal case.
That doesn't matter. See my post above.
https://reason.com/2022/12/23/dont-count-on-criminal-prosecution-to-hold-trump-accountable-for-his-egregious-post-election-behavior/?comments=true#comment-9848777
The right to petition is protected by the First Amendment.
And the right to wipe their asses with your petition and throw it away is protected by the Deep State, the federal police, and the armed forces. How many divisions does the First Amendment have?
The right to assemble likewise - provided it's peaceable. Jan 6 was not a peaceable assembly, though there seems to be no shortage of liars who assert otherwise.
I would agree on all of the charges except interferring in Georgia's elections. His phone call is well-documented and could be interpreted by a non-sympathetic jury as damning.
Well yeah, but you're a partisan moron.
You project more than a drive-in movie.
Really, is your hatred if Jesse so irrational that you're actually defending the idiot Mike, a serial liar? Dude seek help. Next you'll be defending Tony. You've lost it. Seriously.
I can call JesseAz a partisan moron without defending anyone. Seriously.
Dude, it still has you give the appearance, if not the intent, of defending a total twit like White Knight Mike or SPB2. And I'm not sure that's your intent as I've seen you call out SPB2 and Mike.
Twits can still be right now and then. Just sayin.
By the way, those two exhibit more sense and libertarian thought than I've ever seen from most of the people who comment here. Disagreement with the right doesn't equal support for the left, just as calling JesseAz a pitiful projecting partisan moron doesn't equal defense of whatever comment he was dropping a turd on.
No, they don’t. They just use you against us. You’re just too drunk and stupid to understand that.
Yeah, attacking others, no matter if they're right or not but whining when others attack you is you modus operandi anymore.
When I give a shit about your analysis you'll be the first to know.
See, can't take it but can dish it out, thanks for proving my point.
Sarcasmic loves to troll and try to start fights, but the second someone punches back he's suddenly the victim of mean girls and bullies.
To be fair, you are just a bunch of assholes that can't argue in good faith. Mean girls for sure. You suck.
You're just as tiresome as Nardz, for much the same reason. You're both irrational.
We are step by step proceeding down the road of totalitarian ruin- with rulers who are more protected, more psychotic, less moral, and have more power at their command than ever before- and I'm irrational?
Please, do explain.
I'll explain. You are all a bunch of partisan assholes that can't change a light bulb so we all have to live in the dark.
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I’ll explain. You are all a bunch of partisan assholes that can’t change a light bulb so we all have to live in the dark."
Faggot leftist can't do anything for itself, thus it begs the state to force you to support it.
Also, if you really don't care, you wouldn't bother to keep replying. But you do.
It's also extremely childish to attack someone who wasn't even responding to you, which is why I am calling you out for it. It's almost stalker behavior.
Are you serious? You miss it when he drowns out conversations by dropping so many turds on comments that it's difficult to sift through all the shit?
Your just as guilty of that, actually worse. Jesus. Knock off the martyr routine. Fuck you completely lack any sense of self awareness. Everything you bitch about others you're more guilty of. That's why I know longer even try to have a meaningful conversation. You are one of the most irrational, self martyring, white knighters on here and you don't even realize it be
Because you have absolutely zero self awareness. And blame everyone else for exactly what you do. It's so fucking childish.
You're the one who brought it up.
Sarc, stop cunting up the comments and go back to your bottom shelf booze. No one likes you here, except maybe the morbidly obese groomer, and the Marxist pedophile. And no one loves you in the real world, or ever could.
Holiday suicides are a thing. Why don’t you find out what all the fuss is about?
Sarc doesn’t hate Jesse, he loves him. Sort of like the ersatz homosexual fixation the Joker has with Batman. It’s entirely likely that Sarc fantasizes about a threesome, where he’s being spitroasted roughly by Jesse and Trump.
I may need a restraining order.
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Sqrsly. Aka sarc, has never been rational.
You might. Don’t be surprised if an over the hill hobo appears on your lawn, holding a beaten up old boom box, blasting Peter Gabriel.
https://twitter.com/AsaadHannaa/status/1606025875677331456?t=SXRJlwV5AkmP5RpOG9Jokw&s=19
This doc shows that FTX executives were pleading guilty to fraud one year ago.
Democrats allowed FTX to continue operating and didn’t take any action through the midterm elections and used millions of FTX money to fund the midterms before shutting it down
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They let SBF post bail to stay in his parents 4 million dollar house.
Yeah about that 250 million bond the prosecutors were bragging about.
https://www.coindesk.com/consensus-magazine/2022/12/23/bankman-frieds-incredible-shrinking-250-million-bond/
"In the typical federal case, a bail bondsman would charge between 10%-15% of the amount in cash to issue a surety bond or “bail bond.” In the case of Bankman-Fried’s astronomical bond, 15% of $250 million would be $37.5 million. But Bankman-Fried did not pay $37.5 million for his bond. No, Bankman-Fried actually paid no cash at all for his “$250 million bond.” Nothing. Zero.
Instead, Bankman-Fried’s parents promised to pledge as collateral their Palo Alto, California, home, where he'll also be staying under house arrest. The Palo Alto home is rumored to be worth $4 million. And that is the full extent of the collateral pledged to guarantee the $250 million bond. No other collateral was posted or promised.
So where did that $250 million figure come from? Great question.
In this case, Bankman-Fried was not required to post a conventional bail bond. Instead, Bankman-Fried was simply released from custody on something called a personal recognizance bond. The personal recognizance bond contains Bankman-Fried’s solemn promise (and his parents’ promise) to pay the court $250 million if he fails to show up for trial at the appointed time."
The DOJ is treating this guy with kid gloves. First they announce the charges hours before he was scheduled to testify under oath in front of a congressional committee. Now they let him go home to mommy on a historically high 250 million bond which turns out to be a 4 million dollar house. The fix is in.
To be fair, his parents are willing to forfeit their home if he doesn't show up in court. If he skips bail, then at least Mom and Dad will suffer for trusting him.
His dad was an employee of FTX as a consultant or something like that. He has already been compensated.
That assumes that lil Sam doesn't have a whole lot more than 4 million stashed somewhere. Nobody seems to know where all of the money went and the parents reportedly got a chunk of the grift so they may have some legal jeopardy as well. SBF is obviously being protected by the DOJ. I could speculate as to why but he's either gonna have to be Epsteined or mysteriously slip through the net and fall immediately out of the news cycle.
Thank you for pointing that out. If he makes it to trial, this thing will be softballed in. Probably through some kind of bullshit plea agreement. With Biden pardoning or commuting his sentence when he’s on his way out.
The democrats are bought and paid for on this one. Only an idiot traitor would think otherwise.
Wow. I missed that.
The Dems had to maintain their money laundering scheme through the election.
They hardly ever punish politicians, why would trump be any different ?
They hardly ever punish rich people, why would trump be any different ?
I know, right? Also, what do you think Trump did?
The neutralization of Trump is coming from a higher level than politicians.
Walls *not* closing in? [cue sad violin]
This time they've got him, no doubt.
They don't want this to go to trial, because there is this thing called discovery which would bring out shit the left and the government doesn't want brought out about January 6th.
Additionally, unlike the joke of a bipartisan committee with handpicked members, in a trial the defense gets to help pick the jury, call it's own witnesses and present its own evidence.
A DC jury will convict a ham sandwich (R).
And acquit Hitler (D).
But then there is appeals. Also, the defense attorney can sue to change venue. Since the charges are federal it doesn't have to be tried in DC. Given the well documented bias of DC, denying a venue change would require airtight legal reasoning that would have to pass muster with all levels. Otherwise, it becomes grounds by itself for appeal. A good legal team will file so many motions that will keep the feds dancing for years. And everyone the assigned judge denies will require airtight legal reasoning to avoid appeals. The judge will be well aware of this, as will the federal prosecutors.
Your faith in the system is touching.
Not faith but an understanding of how it works. The legislature doesn't even have constitional authority to refer charges. The fact they did is appealable by itself. They basically did this to make their base happy, while knowing it means absolutely nothing and will probably never see the inside of a court. If Trump was smart, he would welcome it going to court, where his defense can present all of this and more. They don't want that, because it's better than even chances he'll get cleared in the end, the DoJ doesn't have a good track record in these types of cases. The worst thing for the left would be a case with an acquittal and release of numerous documents they purposely ignored in their hearings, and multiple witnesses they didn't call. They don't want to risk that, because it would make Trump bulletproof. If they truly don't want Trump, the best they can hope for is the prosecutor to deny charges, due to lack of strong evidence, because it isn't an acquittal and they can blame the prosecutor without admitting the weakness of their own hearings. Additionally, Trump's support among Republicans has been nose diving since the beginning of the month. They did this just to keep the hearings in the news, not to actually achieve a conviction.
Don't worry, be happy! Sidney Powell will SAVE us all!
https://reason.com/2022/02/11/sidney-powell-disowns-her-kraken-saying-she-is-not-responsible-for-her-phony-story-of-a-stolen-election/ (Yet another Powell article)
https://reason.com/2021/03/23/sidney-powell-says-shes-not-guilty-of-defamation-because-no-reasonable-person-would-have-believed-her-outlandish-election-conspiracy-theory/
Sidney Powell Says She’s Not Guilty of Defamation Because ‘No Reasonable Person’ Would Have Believed Her ‘Outlandish’ Election Conspiracy Theory
It's blind, desperate faith.
"an understanding of how it works."
It doesn't work anymore.
That's the whole fucking point.
How many more examples are you going to need?
You'll get them.
Oh yes, here's Nardz with his everything is horrible why doesn't someone do something, just not home, argument. So predictable.
Yet not wrong.
It is what is.
You guys shouldn’t fight. If either of you want to fight, direct that energy towards Sarc, Groomer Fatfuck, Shreek, Dee, True,en, Mod, etc.. THEY are the enemy. Not either of you. We don’t need to see 100% eye to eye on everything. We’re all interested in the same overall goals. The aforementioned leftist traitors are not.
Like Reagan said, “The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally – not a 20 percent traitor.”
^ This
We have a lot of evil fuck-ups here, guys, disagree by all means, but save your opprobrium for them.
Thank you, we have our work cut out for us just beating up on the shitweasels. I see no value in fighting amongst ourselves.
"It’s funny that you still think law matters.
There are no rules, only weapons."—Nardz
Ditto.
So, file you under the same category as Nardz, okay, can do. It's all over, might as well give up then.
Yes. We've lost.
We've lost many battles, but still haven't lost the war.
And a recent unanticipated victory was Musk exposing the FBI and DHS activities on social media. It's not decisive, but it is a win.
We could wipe out the left in a matter of weeks here if even 1-2% of Americans fully committed to it. And not much longer to root out the other bad actors.
You would be crushed easily by federal law enforcement and the armed forces.
You would be crushed easily by federal law enforcement and the armed forces.
Crush whom?
Power is a funny thing. A few weeks back, 45,000 people in North Carolina learned the difference between the power of an individual determined to make a point, and the power of the government to stop him. Unlike the power of the individual which necessitates nothing more than personal agency, the power of government exists only as long as there are those willing to support it. I wonder how long that support will last when government is no longer able to keep the lights on.
Crush whom?
1-2% of Americans.
only as long as there are those willing to support it.
But it takes very few of those if they have military weapons and information technology.
Those people would have weapons themselves. The total number of all Atmed Forces, and all law enforcement is about 3.3 million. They would be outnumbered. Very heavily, in that a good percentage of those personnel would join, or clandestinely support the freedom fighters.
"Those people would have weapons themselves. The total number of all Atmed Forces, and all law enforcement is about 3.3 million. They would be outnumbered. Very heavily, in that a good percentage of those personnel would join, or clandestinely support the freedom fighters."
The weapons aren't the problem, the numbers aren't a problem directly.
Tech is the problem.
The powers that be have more power and greater reach than anybody has ever had before. All your assets can be wiped out with the click of a button. Better have a lot to barter... if you can find suppliers to barter with. Your coms are completely insecure at anything greater than 100 yards, thus your ability to organize is severely limited. But the cabal can organize NPC mobs to treat you like American ISIS easier than ever before. They can provide incentives and threats to anybody within your scope of action. They can find and track your family in an instant. We are not near enough to a critical mass who speak like me. There are still too many who only talk about political, rules-based solutions. Too many who believe running better candidates, voting harder, and going to court will make things better. Too many who believe in illusions.
Too many who have too much to lose immediately, and are content to hope that "it can't happen here", at least not to them personally.
And I don't blame them for that last sentence. That's pretty much where I'm at, minus the illusion. So long as we're below the critical mass, there's no real hope to stop them. There's nothing to do but talk and get what you can out of life before they take it all from you.
And they will take it all from you, and if not you then your children. Until then, life will be livable enough, though increasingly stressful and out of your control.
You might can start getting your hopes up when random individuals here and there snap and start lashing out, so long as the examples they make are logical. But we're not there yet, and I'm not sure we will be. Too easy to divert and confuse.
The process is the punishment. And a conviction in a district court will give the anti Trumpers the opportunity to claim that he's barred from holding office at least in the short term which is Liz Cheney's stated goal. Probably irrelevant anyway. Trump isn't getting any younger and DiSantis looks like real contender if he chooses to run.
De Santis is leading in all the polls, recently. Be interesting to see what the Trump sycophants do if Trump doesn't win the nomination. Yeah, the process is punishment but also opportunity for the defense to subpoena and introduce evidence. Which the left and the government (often the same thing) doesn't want. I predict they will milk the special prosecutor for as long as possible and then not bring charges but imply he's guilty anyhow, because they really don't want the defense to have a chance to introduce their own evidence and witnesses that may counter everything they've been saying for years. And, the truth is, they want a damaged Trump to run as opposed to someone with much less baggage. If Biden runs again, Trump is his best chance for reelection and the Democrats know it. If he is barred, they lose their Boogeyman.
We go with the best we’ve got. If it’s not Trump, the. It appears it will be DeSantis. Or it might be someone else. There’s a lot of history to be written between now and primary season.
Personally; Thomas Masse or Rand Paul...
De-Santis is too Power-Mad for me but I could be mistaken. I wasn't a fan of Trump either until his actions proved he was about a LIMITED government.
Just get the case assigned to that corrupt black judge that had such a good time persecuting general flynn... emmet sullivan or whatever his name was
You’re leaving out the part where that ham sandwich murdered Mama Cass.
Some of us had more sympathy for the sandwich.
“If I had to do it all over again, I would have taken out Whoopi or Joy Behar”
-The ham sandwich that choked Mama Cass
TRUE
If Trump gets Giuliani as his lawyer, he might get the death penalty.
It's funny that you still think law matters.
There are no rules, only weapons.
The pen is mightier that the swords wielded by nit-twitted twats! Gatekeeper! Beware!
Gozer the Traveller! He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldronaii, the Traveller came as a large and moving Torb! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex Supplicants they chose a new form for him--that of a Giant Sloar! Many Shubs and Zulls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day, I can tell you.
Everything was fine with our system until the power grid was shut off by dickless here.
Is this true?
Yes it's true.
Sqrlsy has no dick.
He's better on mute. He never offers anything important anyhow. Why bother with his jejune, sophomoric schtick?
He's never offered anything to a conversation, always the same puerile word salads. He simply isn't worth the energy even to ridicule anymore.
I muted him months ago just because I got tired of having to scroll past his endless shitposted offal.
Might as well give up then. Because all you ever do is whine and expect others to fix things.
First step to solving a problem is acknowledging the reality of the problem.
Otherwise you're just jerking off about a world that doesn't exist.
"reality of the problem"
"There are no rules, only weapons."
The 'rules' (US Constitution) is this nations only hope as it has always been.
Discovery works both ways and people who refused to testify will not be able to do so for a criminal trial. A jury will not have to think about its political future if they convict, they can work strictly from the evidence.
"Don't Count on Criminal Prosecution To Hold Trump Accountable for His Egregious Post-Election Behavior"
Sullum's letting his marks down gently.
This is just another episode where the Left, the MSM, and the Neocons all tut-tutted about Trump's Quixotic foolishness, then, lo and behold, time proved that Trump was right all along.
The truth will out.
The truth will out.
Yes, but that doesn't mean it will matter.
Hey! Stop y’all’s fighting!
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“I come unto ye to bring messages of Joy and Peace! Do NOT be confused by the lamestream media, nor by the Demon-craps, who speak of many strange wonders! They speak of many YUUGE lies, and of half-truths! Some say that I am the Son of God! Some say that I am the Son of Man! Some say that I am the Great White Father! Or the Great Pumpkin! Or the Great Whitish-Orangish Pumpkin-Father! But I am none of those things! I come to be before you, as an Humble Man, with MUCH bigness to my humbleness… You may simply call me the Chosen One! Even the lamestream media knows this! https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-49429661 The American voters, the REAL, legitimate voters… The NON-Demon-rat ones, have overwhelmingly chosen MEEE! THAT is why I am the Chosen One!”
He paused, momentarily, there on the top of the Mount of Olives, and of Pineapples, and of Anchovies, as thunderous applause deafened everyone for miles around. He tried to wave down the crowd, for silence. But in their jubilation, the crowd spontaneously broke out into a chant! “Dominos Pizza-Pie REEEquiem, Dominos Pizza-Pie REEEquiem, Dominos Pizza-Pie REEEquiem”, they chanted, over and over, and yet over, again! Sensing their spiritual and bodily hungers, The Lord Trump discreetly ordered a single, solitary pizza and a basket full of anchovies, which arrived nearly instantly. Then The Lord Trump broke off pieces of pizza, and dished out the anchovies, which somehow managed to feed the crowd of five million!
With their hunger now sated, The Lord Trump was finally able to calm the masses, and silence their cheering, so that He could, once again, be heard. The Lord Trump spake once again, saying unto them, “Behold, now begins a time of troubles! The Dark Lord has bin bidin’ his time, which has now come! I will be swallowed up by the Penthouse of The Trump Hotel at Mar-a-Lago, for 4 years of dark nights and troubled days, and I know, you will miss Me terribly! But then the Boulder of Voter Fraud will mysteriously be shoved aside, and I will emerge once more! Trust bigly in Me, but bigly JUST in Me!!!”
The Lord Trump waited for a long time, for the applause to die down, and then continued, “While I am gone, the Faithful shall honor Me on the last Thursday of each November, giving Thanks that I have shown Good Americans The Truth and The Way. You shall slay the Great Pumpkin, and eat of the Pumpkin Pie, saying, ‘This is the Body of The Lord Trump. Eat it with Joy and Gladness’. Then ye shall drink of the cranberry juice, saying. ‘This is the Blood of The Lord Trump. Drink it with Anticipation of the Defeat of the Forces of Evil, and of the Demon-rats’. This, do in honor of MEEE!”
The applause was overwhelming and unstoppable, so The Lord Trump escaped in His Helicopter, to the Penthouse of The Trump Hotel at Mar-a-Lago, leaving the crowd to festering in the gathering stormy weather. There were no busses provided for the crowds, but that was OK by them, for they were full of Great Trumpsmas Joy!
Time has proved that all of Trump's vague accusations of election fraud are true? First of all, to be proved right he'd have to stop being vague about precisely what fraud he thinks happened.
Almost 2 dozen rulings regarding election changes being illegal.
White Mike knows, but watch him spout the exact same bullshit the next time someone writes about Trump.
He’s been to,d that dozens of times and pretends he’s never heard it.
What Trump did was like an upset child, upon losing a game, branding the other kid a cheater and then repeating it over and over and over until the other kids start to believe it. The major difference is that he's a grown-ass man who should know better. I can't say the same about his followers.
I really can't say the same about you either anymore. How long is your mean girls list now? It's probably so long that it would be easier to list those who aren't on it. You love to insult others but sure can't take it yourself, is the only conclusion I can arrive at.
Seriously, you used to actually have decent points until you started with the constant whining about being attacked, when you often start it.
If you took that personally then that's you, not me. Are you an immature partisan who revels in willful ignorance because it's how you virtue signal to people with red hats? No? Then I wasn't talking about you.
Do you need help down off that cross of yours? Should we call a papal committee to document your three miracles for your upcoming sainthood?
No, just insulting over thirty percent of the country that happen not to agree with you. While at the same time whining about everyone else insulting you. Yeah, you're never the aggressor. Jesus.
There's a difference between disagreement and covering one's ears while shouting "La la la I can't hear you!"
Tell us about your mute list again, Sarcles.
He’s such a whiny little bitch.
At one point, it seemed worthwhile to offer explanations regarding his lack of logical ability, but then his abysmal stupidity became obvious, preventing him from any further knowledge or self-awareness.
So I just muted the lying pile of lefty shit.
You’re an immature person that loves starting trouble here. You’re a Trump obsessed drunk. A miserable piece of shit that deserves to be miserable.
Sounds more like you than Trump. Except you’re a little bitch, and no one really listens to you or does anything you want.
I think it is more that he was naive. A more jaded and experienced politician would have perhaps been a little surprised at the level of cheating, but not at the fact that there was cheating.
Besides, when members of the club lose, someone gives them a nice job that they don't have to show up for, a book deal, and millions for speaking engagements.
Honestly, if he had asked for an insurrection, he probably would have gotten one.
You cannot blame him for not reacting to the out of control crowd on 1/6 as the worst attack since 1812 or whatever. There had been lots of worse instances directed at him and the Supreme Court.
What cheating? 60+ court cases failed to turn up anything.
Yet another lie. You've been linked the actual counts for cases many times. Yet you persist like a good DNC lap dog.
Let’s assume Mike is rabid and have him put down.
Claiming lack of jurisdiction or other technicalities in order to keep from trying the case is not the same as examining the evidence and finding no cheating.
I understand the reluctance to try such a case. At such levels of corruption and with such high stakes, any judge who even hinted at possibly toppling the scheme would never be safe, nor would their families. The same certainly goes for jurors.
This has been explained to him dozens of times. And he will still make the same claims. He’s a goddamned liar.
You already know this you lying bitch,, Dee!
"No one should count on criminal investigation to hold ANY politician accountable." There, I fixed it for you. Only politicians can hold politicians accountable for anything. That's how far America has strayed from Constitutionally limited government. Show trials and optics.
I like that which ye have written... Butt... I'm afraid of how it will LOOK in the news this evening!!! (Can ye spin it a little bit better? Be more POSITIVE in yer outlook? Seeing ass to how MY fave politicians MEANT well? Good motives still count for SOMETHING, right?)
Because he didn't do anything illegal? Of course that won't stop prosecutions (Reason staff know that many prosecutors try to make fake charges stick. Right?)
Don’t fear the revolt!
(insurrection)!
All our times have come
Here, but now they’re gone
Seasons don’t fear the revolt
Nor do the wind, the sun, or the rain
(We can be like they are)
Come on, baby
(Don’t fear the revolt)
Baby, take my hand
(Don’t fear the revolt)
We’ll be able to fly
Baby, I’m your man
La, la la, la la
La, la la, la la
Valentine is done
Here but now they’re gone
Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbs
Are together in eternity
(Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbitt)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel
Don't quit your day job there Sqrlsy.
Pretty sure the spastic asshole's 'day job' is taking meds.
Seems he's missed taking them recently. He's more verbose than usual.
Maybe he found a place that pays him in shit.
On that note, the House republicans, deter stripping Schiff of his committee assignments, should open an investigation into his history as a federal prosecutor. To see how many people he railroaded who were innocent.
I’ll bet it was a pretty big number.
The final report from the January 6 select committee falls short of proving
The Kangaroo Court has already spoken!
The final report from the January 6 select committee falls short of proving the elements required to convict the former president.
Come on, man!
You’re not funny. I doubt you’re even capable of being funny.
Dammit! I almost forgot!!
The 12 Days of Reason, 2022 Edition
12 Biden Gaffes
11 Kammy Laughs
10 Trump Derangements
9 Percent Inflation
8 Suppressed Tweets
7 Putin Price Hikes
6 Cans of Baby Formula
5 Anti-MegaMAGAMoogaMugga Speeches
4 Faux Fauci Farewells
3 Homicidal SUVs
2 Inept GOP Candidates (Fetterman? Really?)
And (as always) a Jacket for Gillespie.
LOL!
How many boosters?
Never fear, brothers and sisters dear! Get your (don't hug yer kids for too long) boosters HERE!!!
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Florida School Run by Idiots Says Vaccinated Students Must Stay Home for 30 Days After Each Shot
This is the same school where a teacher told students not to hug their vaccinated parents for more than five seconds.
(End subtitles and excerpts).
See? We are ALL data-driven by now! My data says the OTHER (evil) tribe believes in vaccines, so MY tribe must BAN and SHUN the BAD tribe (and their cooties) as much as possible!
The unvaccinated are now CLEAN and the vaccinated are UNCLEAN! Civic-minded BAD! Afraid of micro-chips in vaccines GOOD! Black is white, and good is evil!
Since they last about 3 months, probably 4 boosters every year.
Don't count on TDS-addled pile of shit Sullum to ever recover.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Speaking of elections, Reason you gonna comment on the trial in Arizona about 2022 elections?
The trials where the whiny loser Rethuglicans were all told to pound sand like the lying liars they all are?
The trial where it came out that the Maricopa officials had lied that about not changing anything, with the revelations that they had changed the font on the ballots on the day of the elections.
Yeah, which ones are the liars again?
Oh, and where Arizona residents were told that "you reap what you sow" for voting...on election day.
"Rethuglicans"!
How clever of the steaming pile of lefty shit.
Fuck off and die.
Hahahahahaha
Fuck you are retarded.
Hahahahahahaha
Too local. It's not the Washington Metro.
Yeah, and no cocktail parties.
All of this J6 stuff seems to be aimed at one outcome: get the GOP to nominate Trump in 2024 and then have Biden, Harris, Newsome,
Abrams, or whomever beat him easily in the general election.
Trump's ego won't let him do the right thing, which would be to announce his active retirement from politics on New Year's Day.
Yeah, ignore the election fraud because that's a strategy to win with anyone ever again you dipshit.
Most DC Republicans supported Trump only because he was very popular with their constituents. But they are entrenched swamp dwellers and they will not let Trump win the primary because he is still a threat to their racket. As we've seen in the last week the uniparty is fully in charge. War, debt, grift, all are on the same page.
Biden will step down for medical reasons, most likely.
Harris and Buttigieg failed so miserably at their appointed duties in Biden's first term they have no chance of being on the ticket, either top or bottom.
The nomination will probably go to Newsome or to Whitmer, the worst of the worst. And they'll fight over Abrams as the VP pick to be more inclusive, with the loser getting Beto.
Sullum, the J6 comittee isn't a trial. It's not a court. They don't even have the special power to do a 'criminal referral' - literally anyone can do that.
It's more like a TV mini-series "The Framing of the President".
"whether Trump recognized that his election claims were false, an essential element in proving that he conspired to defraud the United States" -- so if I sincerely believe someone was wrongly convicted, it's not a crime for me to break them out of jail (or to conspire to do so)? If I sincerely believe someone owes me money, it's not a crime for me to conspire to steal it back from their house? Why does it matter what Trump subjectively believed?
Mens Rea.
Look up "mens rea".
"...so if I sincerely believe someone was wrongly convicted, it’s not a crime for me to break them out of jail (or to conspire to do so)..."
Probably not for conspiracy.
Seems to me it was not the job of the committee to prove a crime.
That is the job of the DOJ.
More interesting are the transcripts of testimony being released.
The final report from the January 6 select committee falls short of proving the elements required to convict the former president.
You seem to be under the impression that the purpose of the J6 Committee was to investigate the insurrection on January 6 (where a small group of at best lightly armed protesters came within an inch of overthrowing the most powerful government the world has ever known) to figure out how the hell that happened. No, no, no, you silly person! As Sullum himself seems to admit, the purpose of the J6 Committee was to Get Trump. It likely failed in that attempt and all the bullshit about Ray Epps and FBI assets infiltrating the group of protesters and security levels at the Capitol and whether or not security actually invited in the protesters and how dangerous these people really were is all beside the point, endless distractions and red herrings to throw you off the scent of the main point - it's all about Getting Trump.
It's not even about getting Trump, except as an avatar.
It's not even about getting Trump supporters, except as an example.
It's about getting, and preemptively crushing, all forceful dissent and resistance to our totalitarian rulers.
It's about destroying independent and ethical spirit.
"...(where a small group of at best lightly armed protesters came within an inch of overthrowing the most powerful government the world has ever known)..."
Armed with large caliber assault fire extinguishers and military-grade zip-ties!
They were so well-armed, they caused the deaths of a couple of LEOs days after the protest!
If Viking Guy had gotten ahold of Pelosi’s gavel, he would have been instantly transformed into the Speaker and the entire government would have had to bow before him or be destroyed when he called down the lightning and thunder. Just like with Thor’s hammer.
Because that’s what the constitution says, right?
I'm starting to wonder if TDS is a chronic terminal illness - like cancer.
That my new Christmas wish!
“Broadly speaking, the question is whether Trump committed crimes by trying to prevent President Joe Biden from taking office.”
A much more important question, one that Sullum doesn’t want to deal with, is “Did the FBI use inducements, including bribes or threats, to keep Donald Trump from remaining in office?”
Trump is finished as a candidate but the FBI is still there, as are the people who actually engaged in a real conspiracy to control a political outcome.
the answer is yes.
https://twitter.com/AngelinaTamezTX/status/1606412828407209989?t=0LbODxY9OaJL4p5n4kqHWQ&s=19
More Congressmen showed up to listen to the speech of a President from a foreign Nation than to go and vote on the Omnibus Spending Bill.
Inflation was merely shoved down the throats of the American taxpayer. Horrendous.
enemies of the people, no doubt.
Too bad more Congressmen didn't skip the spending vote, so they would not have had a quorum.
I don't think they did. They counted proxies toward the quorum if I'm not mistaken...
did its best to gather and summarize evidence that might help the Justice Department
The idea that a Congressional investigation could ever help the Justice Department pursue a target in a criminal matter has always been blatantly ridiculous. The Justice Department is infinitely better-suited to gathering evidence of crimes than Congress.
There are only two reasons to hold a Congressional investigation into alleged criminal activity by a target. The first is that the Justice Department cannot be trusted to investigate the target, due to political alliance, corruption, or incompetence. The second is as a blatant political show trial because nothing even adjacent to an actual crime was committed by the target, and so there is no way the Justice Department can ever actually do anything to the target.
Since we know that Joe Biden and Merrick Garland are not politically allied to Trump, if the Justice Department overseen by Biden and Garland cannot be trusted to investigate Trump, it is because of corruption and/or incompetence. If it is because of corruption and/or incompetence, that is of course a major scandal that demands extensive Congressional hearings into both the department and, since the President has not removed Garland from his job, the Biden White House.
If the Garland Justice Department can be trusted to investigate Trump, then we know as of the very day that the January 6th committee convened that it is a pure show trial aimed at politically damaging a legally-innocent man.
Of course, if it is a show trial of a legally-innocent man, then openly admitting that’s the purpose can’t be done by that man’s political opponents, because if everybody admits it’s a pure smear job, it won’t successfully smear anyone.
But all you as an observer have to do to detect the second case, on the very day that the “investigation” starts, is to see if the vast majority of supporters of the “investigation” are demanding the AG’s resignation; if they aren’t, the target is innocent, and the “investigation” a pure smear job.
Of course, if the target is legally innocent, the “investigation” will fail to get any evidence of him committing a crime. Which, of course, is what Sullum is admitting here.
And by framing the issue as Sullum has done, he's simply admitting a raging case of TDS.
Interesting that the Democrats are still so afraid of Trump that they have to go forward with this kangaroo court.
He scared hell out of the swamp-critters: If he got elected, imagine of someone with a less abrasive personality got elected!
Why, those critters might actually have to deliver results or find a job!
Enter DeSantis.
seriously, he's going to obliterate the dems
Dems are already preparing scandals, October surprises, election "strategies", and a massive propaganda campaign. You can bet on it.
And of course the stacks of "mail in" post election ballots that will be used to cover the gap in several key areas
One need only look at the coverage in Reason to see the strategy unfolding.
He could, if he concentrates on his policies versus Biden's policies. His first problem is trade. Ds and Rs all agree that trade destroys jobs. No evidence to the contrary will be accepted by the great middle since they are as mindless as the Socialists and the Populists.
His second problem is taxes. The right move is to eliminate the corporate income entirely and make all income from whatever source, (salary, profit, capital gains and dividends) taxed at the same rate. Then abolish all deductions and subsidies and cut the rates. This would close K Street, end cronyism and make phony stock buy backs worthless since all derived income is taxed the same. Buybacks used to be done so that executives could exercise their stock options and clean up before the lack of capital investment crashes the company.
No one would ever dare advocate any of these despite the overwhelming evidence of a huge increase in employment from simply cutting the corporate tax rate. The poorest had the greatest benefit and the gap between the poorest and the richest narrowed. Under Bush, Obama and Biden, the gap got larger.
Why wouldn't they be? He has declared a run in 2024 and he is leading at least some of the Republican polls.
Reason doesn't cover it, but this supposed "low energy" Trump who lost his "magic" is actually interesting so far as a candidate. I'm hoping he will be more policy centric because that's when he was at his best, but any genuine libertarian should be excited about his digital bill of rights. Purge the alphabet soups, put a 7 year moratorium on intel community revolving door, and no federal flagging of mis/disinfo.
“In addition, all users over the age of 18 should have the right to opt-out of content moderation and curation entirely, and receive an unmanipulated stream of information if they so choose."
This is one of the most radical and exciting things he said. We're long overdue for taking the 1A fight to the private sector. The founders understood that if society didn't value the Constitution that it would be nothing more than a piece of paper. There is no clause that details what happens if Americans reject the Constitution. Instead of committing cultural suicide, Trump is saying he'll use the force of govt to make society abide by its principles. Kudos to him on that. The Constitution is worth fighting for. Needing to fight fire with fire is not proof that the Constitution has failed or is weak. It is simply an acknowledgement of how powerful our enemy has become.
Dershowitz did a fine job of explaining just how far the Jan 6 kangaroo court committee went off into the weeds.
-jcr
Egregious Post-Election Behavior
Lol wtf are y ou even talking about? You people are hilarious. Embarrassing yourselves too.
COMMENTING TOO FAST APPARENTLY GETS COMMENT SENT TO THE END OF THE QUEUE
This whole thing was a farce, and in truth, libertarians should have taken the lead against J6, regardless of their feelings on Trump.
There was no real evidence that Trump orchestrated any "insurrection". Not a single person who walked inside the capitol was involved in any tangible plot to overthrow the government. One fringe group was charged for a harebrained scheme they apparently weren't able to carry out. Libertarians here should have rang alarm bells at the government and media indulging in the term "insurrection" to describe the riot at every turn. If the J6 rioters are insurrectionists, then a lot of Americans could be jailed or executed for "treason" in the future.
Whatever Trump's fault (voters responded in the midterms), he was first and foremost a target of a coordinated witch hunt by the government, often with a willing help from the media. I don't think I need to spell it out, we know them by heart already. It is the government that has to be held accountable first.
But Reason has a rather severe case of TDS. It's understandable that they'll be mad some things Trump said, but say nothing when Joe Biden makes up stories about border patrol whipping migrants? No outrage when the FBI arrests pro lifers on minor crimes or no crime at all, but won't act on dozens of firebombs are pro life centes?
Libertarians should also have taken the lead against the two sham impeachments and a lot of other stuff.
Turns out, most "libertarians" just want drugs, guns, butt sex, and cheap foreign labor.
Also, no libertarians to be found among Reason staff.
I understand that the janitor is very pro free trade.
Amd now they’re hiring stUpid kids right out of college that self describe as leftists. Like that brainiac, Emma Camp.
If the J6 rioters are insurrectionists, then a lot of Americans could be jailed or executed for “treason” in the future.
Which is exactly why the lefturds keep beating that drum. They want to be able to jail dissidents with as little resistance as the Soviets did.
-jcr
a lot of Americans
couldwill be jailed or executed for “treason” in the future.Fixed it.
"...Whatever Trump’s fault (voters responded in the midterms), he was first and foremost a target of a coordinated witch hunt by the government, often with a willing help from the media..."
Counterfactual, but you have to wonder how the voters might have reacted if Biden's record had been public in Oct '20 instead of becoming so in early '23.
This the result of the left wing extremists who now hold power in Washington. Such as has filtered down into the leftist liberal media that remains in lockstep with the current administration.
https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1606510535180275713?t=Uw5B9tHe1kwxQF68HtXqCw&s=19
You really should pause to marvel about how into this shit the United Nations is. Unless you know what the United Nations really is.
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https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1606539185007038464?t=vjwQsQnL82BJ-BrABvRi0w&s=19
Consider the case of the first recorded ISIS attack on U.S. soil in Garland, Texas, 2015. The FBI not only knew the shooters (Elton Simpson & Nadir Soofi) in advance, but the FBI also took the shooters to the venue & watched them shoot Americans.
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https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1606534660598779906?t=x7qsmU3xng_VVtJW6NxpIA&s=19
Think about what you are witnessing in very practical terms. Think about how much time/energy various govt's are exhausting trying to *control* people. CA truckers, FR yellow vests, Dutch farmers, Brazil, J6 etc. It's their priority.
The need for control is a reaction to fear.
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"They want us to get violent"
Do they?
Because they seem pretty fucking committed to preventing the possibility of violence before it happens...
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1606633241531801600?t=6zoM58p4okFEEEYpNpPuFw&s=19
Let’s check in on western liberal democracy
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So Reason's position is that the Feds didn't go far enough in continually investigating, prosecuting, harassing, smearing, and trying to disqualify a former president and popular opposition candidate?
If China or Russia were doing the same to a popular opposition leader, would Reason cheer them on, or view it as a threat to democracy?
Reason will do whatever the totalitarian globalist establishment tells them to do
Possibly, the January 6 committee investigation was not thorough enough. Not everyone who could contribute information was brought in to testify.
I know for a fact that at least 5 of the 24 children in my daughter's 5th grade class were not brought in (for the others, I have not yet gotten responses from their parents).
Keep pushing, nazi.
See what happens to you.
The summer before witnessed rioting, looting and burning in downtown D.C. A church was set on fire and many people were hurt. During that year more than $2 billion in property damage was done with thousands hurt and many deaths from the riots from the death of George Floyd.
Not one, not one liberal news outlet used the word riot, instead they were all "mostly peaceful protests"...peaceful but fiery was the term used.
How many people are sitting in jail over the destruction and harm done by those riots?
The rioting, destruction, arson, assaults and even murders committed in the name of George Floyd, a know drug addict and career criminal gets very little headlines now, headlines that were deliberately inflammatory and inciting.
Yet the protest on Jan. 6 were for the most part peaceful until FBI informers such as Ray Epps and other encouraged people to become violent.
The real egregious conduct is no less apparent than the FBI and the Dept. of Justice. Furthermore the people who are being held without bail, without access to an attorney or family, or even medical care for two years is even worse than the supposed crimes they committed. The real crime is being perpetrated daily by the government as those people remain imprisoned while murderers and thugs go free without bail.
If you wish to talk about egregious actions then the egregious actions by the government needs to be put forth.
Every one of those people need to be bailed out, without fees and allowed to return home instead of languishing in a Soviet style prison.
Don't Count on Criminal Prosecution To Hold Hillary Clinton, DNC Leadership and the FBI Agents Involved Accountable for Their Egregious Failed Bloodless Coup Against President Trump