Abortion Bans Bring First Amendment Battles, Too
Looking back at how abortion advertising bans played out last century may give us some idea what the future holds for speech about abortion.

It was 1971, and abortion was largely illegal in Florida. A young woman came to a Florida State University chaplain seeking advice about an unwanted pregnancy. So, Rev. Leo Sandon informed her of a clergy-backed abortion clinic in New York that would perform the procedure for $150.
Sandon soon found himself under investigation by State Attorney William Hopkins, who sought indictments against Sandon and Rev. Charles N. Landreth, an assistant minister at a Tallahassee Presbyterian church. Sandon and Landreth were part of a group called the National Clergy Consultation Service, whose members counseled women in states with abortion bans on how to get legal abortions out of state. Hopkins said their activities violated Florida's prohibition on abortion advertising.
A Florida circuit judge ultimately ruled that Revs. Sandon and Landreth should not be prosecuted, as the state's anti-abortion law did not prohibit oral advice about obtaining an abortion. But their case was not unique.
By the early 1970s, nearly 20 states prohibited publishing or advertising information about abortion, prompting all sorts of legal battles over the parameters of these laws. Even after Roe v. Wade held, in 1973, that abortion must be at least partially permitted nationwide, battles over the advertising of abortion services persisted.
The U.S. Supreme Court would go on to declare such bans unconstitutional, in the 1975 case Virginia vs. Bigelow. But laws like these still exist on the books in a dozen states today, according to the Policy Surveillance Program. And if Roe v. Wade is overturned, it's all but assured that battles over disseminating abortion information will begin again, with some digital twists.
Looking back at how abortion advertising bans played out last century may, paradoxically, give us some idea what the future holds for free speech about abortion.
Some cases involved relatively straightforward advertising. For instance, in 1970, the London Agency advertised in Massachusetts a package that included passport procurement, airfare, lodging, and an abortion at a London clinic for $1,250. Providing travel arrangements to London—for whatever reason—was not itself illegal, but advertising this service as specifically for abortion purposes was. The company and its president were charged with violating Massachusetts law against abortion advertising, and a state judge issued a restraining order against the London Agency continuing to advertise.
In Tempe, Arizona, New Times—an alt-paper founded by Michael Lacey and James Larkin (the pair that would go on to launch online classifieds site Backpage)—ran into trouble after running an ad for Problem Pregnancy Information Service, a group offering "to explain legal alternatives to unwanted pregnancies." In 1971, Tempe convicted New Times of violating Arizona's law against publishing "a notice or advertisement of any medicine or means for producing or facilitating a miscarriage or abortion, or for prevention of conception." The conviction was upheld by Maricopa County's Superior Court but overturned in 1973, after the State Court of Appeals found it inconsistent with Supreme Court precedent and ruled Arizona's anti-abortion statutes unconstitutional.
In South Florida, in 1971, Wynn's Aerial Service stopped taking ads listing the number of a New York abortion referral service after the Broward County Sheriff's office told the owners the ads were illegal. (Meanwhile, a local Catholic church commissioned a rival company to fly a banner that said "Abortion is Murder," and that was fine.)
In other cases, educational and informational materials were targeted.
Two California activists, Patricia McGinnis and Rowena Gurner, were arrested in 1966 after giving a lecture on abortion at a private home and distributing to attendees literature on obtaining an abortion. McGinnis' self-made pamphlets included information on doctors who would perform abortions in Mexico and Japan; how to get a doctor to prescribe an abortion in California (make suicide attempts to two psychiatrists); and what to do if cops question you about an abortion ("Say absolutely nothing other than your name.") They also provided information on self-induced abortion, though cautioned against going this route. The case found its way to the state Court of Appeals, which in 1973 cleared McGinnis and Gurner of the charges.
In 1970—the year New York legalized abortion—Manhattan's Park East Hospital sent out "Dear Doctor" letters to 40,000 doctors around the country, announcing that the hospital performed abortions on women up to 12 weeks pregnant. While the letters were legal, they were denounced by a panel of the American Medical Association as violating policies against solicitation and the New York County Medical Society's Board of Censors admonished Park East. Executive Director Ronald V. Shaw told the Associated Press (A.P) at the time that he was "absolutely dumbfounded" by the response, as the letters were meant to be informational, not advertisements.
Abortion advertising battles touched more than just advertising, too. In 1971, Michigan state Rep. Dominic J. Jacobetti (D–Negaunee), vice chair of the Michigan House Appropriations Committee, threatened to withhold funds from colleges and universities that let their student papers run abortion advertising.
In 1972, the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) temporarily refused to deliver an Atlanta alt paper, the Great Speckled Bird, because of abortion referral ads in the paper.
USPS lawyer Jerry McKinnon told The Atlanta Constitution at the time "that postmasters across the country have 'advised' a number of publications of the law in recent years," the paper reported. "He said he doesn't know how many or if the postmasters then banned the publications from the mails."
The law McKinnon seems to be referencing is a federal obscenity statute from 1873, spearheaded by famed censor Anthony Comstock. In addition to prohibiting the mailing of "obscene" materials and anything "designed, adapted, or intended for producing abortion," the Comstock Act also bans mailing anything "advertised or described in a manner calculated to lead another to use or apply it for producing abortion," any printed material "giving information, directly or indirectly," on "how or by what means abortion may be produced," and "every description calculated to induce or incite a person" to obtain an abortion.
Battles over abortion advertising came to a head in the mid-'70s, when the U.S. Supreme Court heard a case on abortion advertising out of Virginia.
The case stemmed from the arrest of University of Virginia (UVA) student Jeff Bigelow, a staffer at the local underground paper, Virginia Weekly. In 1971, Bigelow was found guilty in Albermarle County Circuit Court of encouraging abortion via advertising, after the paper ran an ad for New York City abortion referral service called Women's Pavilion. As punishment, Bigelow was fined $500, "with $300 suspended on condition that the newspaper, which is distributed from the UVA campus, refrain from running abortion referral ads," the A.P. reported in July 1971.
Bigelow appealed, alleging that the law was an unconstitutional violation of free speech and freedom of the press. But the Virginia Supreme Court denied that this was a First Amendment issue, since advertising is commercial speech.
Eventually, the case made it to the U.S. Supreme Court and, in 1975, SCOTUS overturned Bigelow's conviction in a 7–2 ruling, saying the Virginia ban on abortion advertising violated the First Amendment.
Commercial advertising is not "stripped of all First Amendment protection," wrote Justice Harry A. Blackmun in the majority's opinion. "The relationship of speech to the marketplace of products or of services does not make it valueless in the marketplace of ideas." Blackmun said Virginia could not regulate "what Virginians may hear or read about the New York services."
The Supreme Court's ruling that advertising for out-of-state abortion services are protected by the First Amendment has important implications for the post-Roe world we will soon be living in.
As some states start passing new abortion bans or implementing bans already on the books, there will inevitably be concern that people can still get abortions by traveling to other states or by obtaining abortion pill prescriptions from a state where abortion is legal. Research has shown that this has already occured in Texas, which in 2021 passed a ban on abortion after six weeks of pregnancy.
The Texas measure also prohibits aiding and abetting an illegal abortion, and similar measures have since gained traction in other states. Provisions like these could perhaps provide backdoor ways to prohibit providing information about obtaining abortions.
The precedent set in Bigelow should preclude states from trying to enforce outright bans on abortion advertising. But this doesn't mean that some states won't try, as they have done for years with abortion restrictions that were prohibited under Roe and Planned Parenthood vs. Casey. In fact, some may welcome an opportunity to get the court to revisit the issue of abortion advertising.
Even if straightforward advertising for out-of-state abortion services is permitted, this still leaves a lot of room for crackdowns on free speech about abortion. States could argue that the Bigelow decision doesn't apply to cases involving in-state services that transpire prior to an abortion, like helping arrange out-of-state travel for low-income women, referring women to out-of-state doctors who will prescribe abortion pills, or counseling of the sort done by the Tallahassee ministers.
And, of course, today's battles will be complicated by the presence of the internet. We're likely to see new battlegrounds, like how to handle search results about abortion. Already, senators have exerted pressure on Google to limit certain sorts of results (including, recently, ads for anti-abortion crisis pregnancy centers). How long until we see Google and Bing pressured to block ads for abortion pills or information on methods to self-induce abortions?
We're also likely to see abortion added to the list of things used to justify broader crackdowns on free speech, in the way that things like sex work, disinformation, and domestic extremism is used today.
The ability to communicate privately about illegal abortions could be used as another argument against encrypted communication. And it shouldn't be long until we hear about how Section 230 of federal communications law should be reformed since it protects Big Tech from being held liable for user posts about how to obtain an abortion.
Abortion also presents a thorny question for social media laws like one passed in Texas, which insists that social media companies cannot moderate content based on viewpoint. Providing pro-choice information would seem to be a protected viewpoint. But in protecting it, will these platforms be accused of "aiding and abetting" illegal abortion?
"The services must make laser-precise determinations of whether content is legal or illegal, with potential liability for making mistakes in either direction, even if in good faith," First Amendment lawyer and Santa Clara University professor Eric Goldman told Protocol recently.
That means risk-averse companies may be quick to censor a wide range of content related to abortion, even if that content would ultimately prove protected by Section 230 and the First Amendment.
Tech companies may also balk at dealing with digital ads for abortion services, for fear that these would also count as aiding and abetting (especially if algorithms target these ads to people in states where abortion is limited). State lawyers could argue that these are not bans on advertising, a form of free speech, but on solicitations toward criminal conduct, as officials have often argued in regard to online classified ads related to sex. Even if ultimately unsuccessful, lawsuits like this would create even more of a chilling effect on free speech about abortion.
We may also see activists pressure web-hosting platforms and other back-end providers of internet infrastructure that make abortion ads or information available, as we've seen in cases involving things like sex trafficking or the January 6 riot. This could make it harder for providers of abortion services or information to send newsletters, host websites, and otherwise have a digital presence.
There are more lo-fi avenues this could take, as well. Remember, for instance, that the federal law against mailing abortion information is still on the books.
First Amendment case law as developed over the past half-century suggests enforcement of it may not stand up to a legal challenge. But that doesn't mean that no one will try, or that some speech couldn't still get quietly chilled in its name, as happened with the untold number of publications postmasters rejected in the 1970s.
First Amendment lawyer Lawrence Walters says he believes "the Post Office could not prohibit use of a government service based on the content of the mailed materials, unless the materials were themselves illegal (obscenity) or if they promoted or incited illegal activity." Doing so would be a content-based restriction on speech, which doesn't fly.
But "the government could then argue, if Roe is overturned, that materials relating to abortion incite illegal activity in some states (which passed abortion bans) and therefore there is a compelling interest supporting the ban," Walters tells Reason. "Then it would come down to whether a flat-out prohibition on mailing materials involving abortion is the least restrictive means of promoting the compelling interest."
Walters says the statute might fail on those grounds, "since there are other less restrictive means of addressing the interest than an all-out ban on speech," and that "separately, the statute could be challenged facially as overbroad, since it prohibits a substantial amount of protected speech (where abortion remains legal)."
"I've not seen any recent cases interpreting this old statute," he adds, "but … the issue could arise again."
We could also see something like what Michigan state Rep. Jacobetti tried in the '70s, with threats to limit funding for schools that permit campus papers to publish abortion ads.
Ultimately, the possibilities for censorship of abortion are myriad. Whatever happens, it seems likely that speech about abortion will become a major issue in a post-Roe world, and one more thing used to justify cracking down on digital platforms and those who use them.
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In college I learned the right to access abortion care is protected by the First Amendment.
No, hold on. Maybe it was the Fifth Amendment. Or the 13th? Or 14th? Anyway it's definitely in there somewhere. You just need to examine the PENUMBRAS FORMED BY EMANATIONS.
#SaveRoe
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PENUMBRAS FORMED BY EMANATIONS simply means that the USA Cunts-Tits-Tuition means... Whatever it is that 9 un-elected people say that it means!!! (We might ass well wipe our asses, any more, with the USA Cunts-Tits-Tuition. Try taking one into a jury deliberation room, peons!)
Free Speech about abortion isn’t the problem.
Free speech will clearly demonstrate with logic and science that the unborn are also living persons with our inalienable right to life.
It will also clearly demonstrate that abortion is nothing more than murdering helpless innocent, albeit inconvenient, people.
Invite the debate, let’s go.
QUESTIONS THAT THE FANATICS WON’T EVER ANSWER: What do YOU think that the punishment should be for deliberately killing a fertilized human egg cell? Ditto the punishments for likewise killing a fertilized egg of an ape... A monkey... A rat... An insect... If your Righteous Punishments From on High are DIFFERENT in these cases, then WHY? WHERE do the differences come from? And what gives YOU (or the 51% of the voters) the right to punish the rest of us?
Never, ever, have I gotten any serious answers, when I pose these questions, about what the PUNISHMENTS should be! (Could it be that the fanatics don’t want us to focus on THEIR obsession, which is their smug and self-righteous “punishment boners”?). Also, the unwillingness to answer questions is strongly indicative of authoritarianism. At the root here is the unmistakable attitude of “Because I said so, peons! Do NOT question your Rulers!”
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>>What do YOU think that the punishment should be for deliberately killing a fertilized human egg cell?
can I believe it is murder without expecting criminal punishment?
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"can I believe it is murder without expecting criminal punishment?"
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A SHIT-TON of crap... Over-eating, over-drinking, too much sexual sluttiness, accidentally sneezing onto the salad bar, spitting on the sidewalk, hurting My Precious Baby Feelings for no GOOD reason, getting divorced for no good reason, and on and on... Can be pretty validly be called ethically "wrong", but not the business of Nosenheimer, Buttinksy, or Government Almighty!!!
Kudos!!!
Stop killing babies, bitch. Murderous craptard.
It's not your question. No one wants to engage YOUR smug ignorance. Though there are a growing number of atheist pro-lifers, most pro-lifers have a religious aspect to the protection of the unborn. Animals don't have a soul according to most religions.
Once you go beyond cells, this also includes empathy for the growing fetus. Should we force someone who isn't religious to conform to our pro-life views? It's hard to cede this one because most of us think abortion is such a grave injustice. I believe that education about better options is a better bet. If Roe were to be overturned and abortion banned in some states, I think that there shouldn't be jail time for women seeking or obtaining an illegal abortion, but fines assessed that could go toward helping pregnancy centers. As for illegal serial abortionists, jail time shouldn't be off the table. I don't believe that peripheral people (i.e., an Uber driver) should be arrested for aiding and abetting an abortion.
If my question isn't my question, whose question is it? Is your answer your answer, and if not, whose answer is it?
What is your/not-your answer to the below issues?
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/05/27/1099739656/do-restrictive-abortion-laws-actually-reduce-abortion-a-global-map-offers-insigh “Do restrictive abortion laws actually reduce abortion? A global map offers insights” Answer: No, tighter laws do NOT reduce the number of abortions… They just make them harder to get, and more dangerous!
THE “LYING LOTHARIO” PROBLEM: Well, a lot of pro-lifers are men, and I would bet that even those pro-lifers who are women? Very few of them have found themselves in the following shoes: Lying Lothario endlessly says “Love ya, babe, Love-ya, Love-ya, Love-ya, NOW can I get down your pants?” After she falls for him and he gets her pregnant, the abuse (from him) begins, and she finds out that he has 7 other “Love-ya, Babe, my One and Only” babes on the side, 4 of them also pregnant by him! So abortion is “veto power” against scumbucket men. If these behavioral genes get passed on and on, humans will evolve into something like elephant seals, where the men most skilled at lying and fighting off the other lying men, get a harem of 40 babes, and the rest of the men get nothing (other than caring for the resulting babies)! So abortion is empowering women to fight off this sort of thing… And reserve their baby-making powers for men who are less lying scum, and will actually make good fathers to the children.
So they want to “capitally punish” the “offenders” (abortion-providing doctors, so as to “dry up” the sources for safe abprtions), while they have never been in the above-described (lied-to female) shoes! Willfully blind self-righteousness, basically…
Or maybe some of the anti-abortion men fantasize and lust after being the elephant-seal-like men who can gather the baby-making powers of a harem of 40 lied-to women, under the new scheme of things?
I am glad that SOME you oppose theft. Theft by deception is also theft; I hope you can see that! When a severely lying Lothario-type dude (as described above) appropriates the baby-making powers of a deceived young woman, that, too, is theft! Abortion is anti-theft, when a deceived woman no longer wants to rent out her womb to a deceptive scumbag, prospective god-awful supposed "father" of a sperm donor!
Those who are anti-abortion unmarried men should be out there desperately courting women who have already been deceived by scumbucket men, and volunteering to raise these unborn children (who are NOT your biological offspring), to fend off a HUGE root cause of abortion, and to put your money where your mouth is! And married anti-abortion men? Check with your wives; see if they mind you donating all of your spare time and money to helping out these future unmarried moms! THESE actions will relieve the pressures towards abortions!
Helping out pregnant women till the give birth, and then abandoning the support of said women (immediately or near-immediately post-birth), scarcely substitutes at ALL, for the loving support of a husband or father for 18 years, by the way!
Yes, there ARE fathers who magnanimously raise not-their-children, and do it well! God, Government Almighty, Allah, Zeus, Buddha, Jesus, etc., all please BLESS them, really and truly! And hopefully these fathers will teach their children NOT to be, or to welcome, “Lying Lothario”! Cultural as well as biological evolution can fend OFF the “Lying Lothario” problem! ALL methods need to be brought to bear; this is a SERIOUS problem here!
Abortions outlawed is a "pro-Lying-Lothario" measure, intended (or effectively intended) to turn humans into harem-fighting elephant seals! He who lies the BEST, and deceives the MOST women, into getting pregnant, WINS the genetic lottery! Meek and mild, honest men who would make good fathers? Well, WHO CARES about THEM?!?! (Or their interests in passing on their genes, which affect the behaviors of future generations?)
Are we not men? We are devolving! Devolving (especially if we ban abortions as “veto power” for lied-to mothers) into elephant-seal-like beasts, trampling the already-born babies underfoot and underfin, while fighting over mating rights, rather than looking to perform our duties as fathers!
I rest my case.
I see! So you're in favor of humans evolving into elephant-seal-like beasts, trampling the already-born babies underfoot and underfin, while lying-fighting over mating rights, rather than looking to perform our duties as fathers!
(It happens, believe you me! I have met men like this!)
Full details of the socio-bio angle on all of this here: http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ ... Especially towards the bottom of web page #2.
“Do restrictive abortion laws actually reduce abortion?
More epic retardation. Murder is banned, but people still murder. Part of the reason to ban such activity, is also to show our children, there is a reason it is banned.
Now stop murdering people sqrlsy! WTF!
News flash #1: When laws are passed, people don't all suddenly, miraculously obey the laws!
News flash #2: Sometimes laws cause more harm than good! See: Theocratic DicktatorShits! Everyone MUST Love God, and cum to the Rethugglican Church, and Worshit, and Worshit More Sincerely than the next guy! AND Worshit The Every Sperm That is Sacred!
Then you should have no complaints about overturning Roe and banning the murder of babies.
Tell that to the families of people killed by murderers! Now stop advocating for murder you sleezebag.
You don’t really want to stop the murder of abortion. Thats why you think the issue can’t be resolved with logic and science.
Why can’t you see that making abortion about religion minimizes the right to life of the child which is the real issue and excuses abortion for the non religious.
I doubt that the texts ostensibly from your god are as ambivalent as you are being.
“The Skeptic's Annotated Bible/Qu'ran/Book of Mormon--What The Bible Says About Abortion” https://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/abortion.html ... Plus https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-05-20/religious-backers-of-abortion-rights-say-gods-on-their-side
Bible was wrong bitch.
Now stop murdering babies you cretinous shit.
I can just see Jesus now:
Yes! It's okay! Stab that baby in the head and suck out it's brains.
I can just see Jesus now:
Yes! Let Lying Lothario have his way with us, enslave the lied-to-women, and let's devolve into harem-fighting and harem-lying-to beasts, fighting over the baby-making machines that USED to be called women!
Yeah, except that is not reality. The reality is, women can do whatever they want, except murder babies! WTF! "Enslaved!" LOL
Maybe some day you'll be forced into being a baby-making machine, and learn for yourself!
Maybe someday you'll have your skull crushed, and you'll learn for yourself, what it's like to be aborted.
You can't put doctors who perform abortions in legal abortion states in prison. Women from your Dark Age state can travel (with help from non-profits) to other states and prohibiting that is not constitutional. More than that, it will be impossible to stop the spread of online stores selling RU486 or whatever pills they have today. What has anyone ever been to completely stamp out from the internet? There will probably be Ukrainian based abortion pill websites before SCOTUS can even strike down Roe. Right now people can hire assassins on the Dark Web.
As has been said so many times, if you want to end abortions then you should be funding contraception, family planning, education and counseling about contraception, etc. Abortions have been steadily declining since 1990 and there's no reason they wouldn't continue to do so with Roe V Wade intact.
What's the difference between an abortionist and a hitman?
They perform the exact same service.
What's the difference between Hitler and Trump?
They perform the exact same "service".
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?
Totalitarians want to turn GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).
Still talking about Trump, fucking two years later.
Trump STILL has NOT taken back His Big Lie!
Trump STILL has NOT taken back His Big Lie!
Neither did Stacy Abrams when she lost her election and said it was stolen from her. In fact, the left applauded her for it, and that was long before Trump. So who gives a shit? Surely you don't. Unless you don't support Stacy Abrams???
Still waiting for the left to take back their big lie that aborting babies doesn't kill human beings, but crushing eagle eggs and turtle eggs apparently does.
You have asked that question before and I recall answering it. You can’t cite a link to where I haven’t.
Humans, not animals have the inalienable right to life guaranteed by our civilized constitution. You owe your existence to it.
At the point of conception a new person exists with the right to life.
People who carry out a plan to murder another person have committed capital murder and should be prosecuted accordingly.
You have been answered and refuted, again.
"At the point of conception a new person exists with the right to life."
Who told you that? Or did you just pull it out of your ass? If I hold a petri dish with a living human egg and some living human sperm in it, with a barrier in between the two, is that a new person? Why not? If I hold a petri dish with a living egg and some living sperm BOTH OF UNKNOWN SPECIES in it... Or perhaps a fartilized egg smell of unknown species... is it both a person and a non-person until we (or some genetic analysis) take a look-see? Is this a Schrodinger quantum maybe-person/non-person? Does a Schrodinger quantum maybe-person have rights? What does Your Precious Cunts-Tits-Tuition say about THAT burning question?
Science. Now fuck off science denier. Don't you have eagle eggs to protect with your life or some shit?
"Quantum-wave-not-yet-collapsed" people have rights, too, dammit!!!!
(We OWE it to them to NOT collapse their waves!!! Just like the frozen fartilized egg smells as described below!)
“If Roe is overturned, the ripples could affect IVF and genetic testing of embryos, experts warn.” https://www.statnews.com/2022/06/06/roe-v-wade-preimplantation-genetic-testing-ivf-clinics/ Anti-abortionists just LOVE the babies SOOO much, that parents with serious genetic defects will now chose NOT to have babies at ALL! Also note that the freezer(s) at IVF clinics sometimes fail, embryos thaw out unexpectedly, and are thereby “killed”! In the new regime of things, prepare for the finger of blame (“murderers!”) to be pointed at the utility companies and manufacturers of freezers and back-up generators! The lawyers will now make YOU, the consumer, pay a LOT more for these things!
“Who told you that?“
Only credible sources of knowledge like dictionaries and encyclopedias.
They describe “an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism (see METABOLISM sense 1), growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction”
Unique post conception DNA define a unique human individual aka a person.
The CONSTITUTION that you ridicule affords all living persons the inalienable right to life.
Had you the faculty of awareness, you would recognize that ONLY that constitution stands between you and certain immediate death.
So when advanced space aliens come here, you're ready to blast them to smithereens, obliterate them at will... Because they have no human DNA? Are not now, will never be, human? Or at the very least, you're not willing to codify punishment for any alien-murderers?
Murdering a space alien should be placed in the law books as a crime, pro-actively. And also to make a point to the troglodytes, about this "sacred human DNA" crap! WHERE does the sacredness come from, for cryin' out loud to Government Almighty? (Sensible people often believe that it comes from consciousness or sentience, which animals apparently have to varying degrees, but is beyond our ability to precisely measure or quantify.)
Do you have ANY evidence that a freshly fartilized egg smell (of ANY kind) has the TINIEST iota of sentience?
You have "religious fervor" and "God-given (self) Righteousness", without a religion or a God, it seems to me!
I used logic and science that you have not and can not refute.
You WISH the issue was religion so you wouldn’t have to refute it.
You cited Your Precious USA Cunts-Tits-Tuition as The Great Law to justify YOUR opinion which YOU pulled out of YOUR ass, without bringing out WHERE it says that "fertilized human, but only human, egg cells have rights".
If I persuade enough people to do so, and we CHANGE the USA Cunts-Tits-Tuition to say "Ron Misek the Miserable shall be tortured slowly to death over the span of 75 days", would that be OK, rational enough, and logical enough, for you? Did you know that per the USA Cunts-Tits-Tuition, booze was OK, then it was NOT OK, and then it was OK again? So which is it now, just "whatever the USA Cunts-Tits-Tuition says as of today, as interpreted by 9 High and Holy Priests"?
You’re rambling.
Do you think that people are created equal and should be entitled to the right to life or not?
"We" (whoever the "we" are in any given case) have the "rights" that we have earned and defended for ourselves. If fertilized egg cells (of ANY species!) want some "rights", they need to...
'A) Go out and get themselves a JOB (and also a haircut, but that one's just a nice-to-have side option), selling goods and services to willing customers!
...and...
'B) Buy themselves some up-to-date and tastefully-designed weapons with the proceeds of said job! It is NOT all that hard to do!!! (Unless you're a slacker).
Beyond that, “rights” is just fancy talk for “y’all should be obeying MEEE and MY Opinions on what YOU should and should not be doing!”
Look who’s avoiding the question.
A simple yes or no will suffice.
"Look who’s avoiding the question."
I believe that persons have whatever rights that they are capable of defending! A fartilized egg smell? The same!
I notice that YOU answered NONE of my questions!
QUESTIONS THAT THE FANATICS WON’T EVER ANSWER: What do YOU think that the punishment should be for deliberately killing a fertilized human egg cell? Ditto the punishments for likewise killing a fertilized egg of an ape... A monkey... A rat... An insect... If your Righteous Punishments From on High are DIFFERENT in these cases, then WHY? WHERE do the differences come from? And what gives YOU (or the 51% of the voters) the right to punish the rest of us?
Never, ever, have I gotten any serious answers, when I pose these questions, about what the PUNISHMENTS should be! (Could it be that the fanatics don’t want us to focus on THEIR obsession, which is their smug and self-righteous “punishment boners”?). Also, the unwillingness to answer questions is strongly indicative of authoritarianism. At the root here is the unmistakable attitude of “Because I said so, peons! Do NOT question your Rulers!”
Here, let me give you an example: IMHO, the punishment for killing a fartilized HUMAN egg smell should be $1.53... Enough for MEEEE to express my Holy Moral Outrage, and no more! Proceeds should be gathered to fund birth-control research... Other kinds of fartilized egg smells? $0.00, 'cause enforcement is WAAAAY too hard to pull off! (Also 'cause, unlike others around here, I do NOT have one YUUUUGE giant, raging, self-righteous "punishment boner".)
There! Can YOU do that? I bet you COULD, if you tried REALLY hard!
Your questions were stupid, obvious, or preloaded with falsities then formulated with a question mark.
“I believe that persons have whatever rights that they are capable of defending!”
Then your answer is NO. You don’t know even the meaning of having a right.
In general, a right is defined as, “something to which one has a just claim”. It is NOT contingent upon defence. It doesn’t stop being a right when attacked by a stronger force.
I recognize another reason why you insist on making this issue about religion. Because it is to you. You’re a satanist. You recognize no difference between right and wrong, good or evil.
You can’t recognize truth, reality because it exposes the wrongness of lies.
You advocate a mad max society where there are no rights. Where the strongest take what they want. The absence of civilization.
You know, in your utopian vision of anarchy, that’s your skull adorning a dashboard.
I did completely answer your question and refute your ridiculous suggestion. Just a few paragraphs above this one.
You don’t understand? No surprise. What’s the IQ of someone who believes that might makes right?
You of the giant punishment boner said NOTHING to answer my questions as to that!
Here, let me give you an example: IMHO, the punishment for killing a fartilized HUMAN egg smell should be $1.53... Enough for MEEEE to express my Holy Moral Outrage, and no more! Proceeds should be gathered to fund birth-control research... Other kinds of fartilized egg smells? $0.00, 'cause enforcement is WAAAAY too hard to pull off! (Also 'cause, unlike others around here, I do NOT have one YUUUUGE giant, raging, self-righteous "punishment boner".)
There! Can YOU do that? I bet you COULD, if you tried REALLY hard!
You are either a moron who can't understand the question (despite my answer-example), or you put in ZERO good-faith effort! You have ZERO faith (in logic, reason, facts, or anything else that is GOOD), other than in YOUR own giant ego!
>>Because they have no human DNA?
what if we have their dna?
Then we'll have to welcome them as our new OverLards! (I just will have to hope that they are the much-awaited LIBERTARIAN OverLards, who will bring about Libertopia! AND I hope that they have good hair, and VERY sexy babes!
Free bacon is too much to ask for, though, seeing that they will be Libertarian OverLards.)
Stop killing babies for your science experiments freak.
"At the point of conception a new person exists with the right to life."
This is not fact. This is your personal, idiosyncratic opinion.
No. It's called "science."
You satanists just refuse to recognize truth because it exposes the wrongness of your lies.
You believe that there is no right and wrong, no good and evil. You do what you want in the absence of civilization.
With 33 percent of he founders satanic Freemasons I’m amazed that the constitution and declaration even exist.
It’s not my opinion. Science and logic demonstrate the truth, reality that all rational people must share. You can’t refute it but your satanic religion doesn’t require you to.
As I said, post conception DNA proves that the unborn are living persons. The constitution guarantees them the inalienable right to life.
"With 33 percent of he founders satanic Freemasons..." ...And your repeated denial of the Holocaust... You are as data-driven and rational as my turds are!
PS, my turds, when fresh, contain a few living scraped-off GI-tract HUMAN cells that COULD be cloned and brought to life! Do THEY have rights as "persons" ass well, just like Your Precious Human Fartilized Egg Smells (which aren't even YOURS to begin with)?
You were cloned from shit. Hahaha
So now you are willing to "die on that hill", defending the Sacred Right to Life, of my turds!!!
Congratulations, "rational" and "data-driven" turd-worshitter!!!
(Your REAL identity has now been revealed, for all to see!)
No YOU are willing to die on the hill protecting the slaughter of human babies. Or maybe you aren't. Maybe you are ready to STFU and get in line and avoid the cage.
“you are willing to "die on that hill"”
Hmmm. Hahaha
Watch your back fuckwit. I have a feeling that you’d be dead before the first shot was fired.
Execution bitch.
Nothing. Because they aren't human, and because animals are for our pleasure, entertainment, and consumption.
If your Righteous Punishments From on High are DIFFERENT in these cases, then WHY?
This is a retarded question. Literally retarded. If I stab you in the face until you die - should I be punished? If I cut the head of a chicken and cook it and eat it, should I be punished? The current status quo, is yes for murder, no for harvesting meat of animals.
WHERE do the differences come from? And what gives YOU (or the 51% of the voters) the right to punish the rest of us?
Fucking jazillions of years of evolution, and/or religious God talk.
Now, ask your above stupid questions of yourself, except substitute "moron named sqrlsy" for "fertilized human egg cell"
All this stupid abortion crap falls apart, the moment you ask libtards the question: Does killing an eagle egg kill an eagle? Then they say yes. Does killing a turtle egg kill a turtle? Then they say yes. Now, instead an a fertilized eagle egg or turtle egg, how about a fertilized human egg that has undergoing implantation? Then suddenly it's "just a clump a cells." These morons need to eat shit and die.
"WHERE do the differences come from? And what gives YOU (or the 51% of the voters) the right to punish the rest of us?
Fucking jazillions of years of evolution, and/or religious God talk."
This is the same thinking that was used to allow white people to enslave black people, and NAZIs to gas Jews, and Dark Ages Europeans to burn the Pagan Witches! Now you use it to enslave women to their fartilized egg smells, that have been stashed there by Lying Lothario! You want us all to devolve into harem-fighting and harem-lying elephant-seal-like beasts, and I want us to evolve into higher beings, where Lying Lothario is thwarted! Can we each have our own planets? Please? You leave, and I'll stay here!
You are so fucking naïve it's ridiculous. All there is really is - is "force."
There are more of us, and we can force you to do what we want. The purpose of "voting" is to estimate the outcome of war before it is fought, so we don't have to fight it, and so instead, you will submit, knowing you will lose. Now STFU and get in line or die.
Yep. It's also the same thinking that got us our modern governments, communism, lawn darts banned, Teslas, and literally everything else.
Stop killing babies, cretinous turd. We are going to vote over here, and you are going to do what we say, or you can die, or if we feel lenient, maybe we'll just put you in a cage far away from us, and feed you once in a while.
By killing babies? Dumbest statement you've provided so far.
...where Lying Lothario is thwarted! Can we each have our own planets? Please? You leave, and I'll stay here!
No we can't. Now we are voting, and after we vote and you lose, again, you can get the fuck in line or die.
Fucking jazillions of years of evolution, and/or religious God talk also gave us predators (lions, bears, and tigers, oh my, and also disease germs)... By your logic, modern medicine and sanitation violates the Will of God-Evolution! So does predator control! We need to go BACK to letting the predators and disease parasites "do their thing" to "cull the herd", just as we need to go BACK to letting Lying Lothario have his way with the enslaved, lied-to women!
No we don't! Because our abilities and our advance is part of our evolution and/or God talk. Now STFU and get in line! Warning:
Evolution also gave us the death penalty and prisons.
But evolution did NOT give us safe abortions!!! Because evil authoritarians, and Lying Lotharios, said so!!!
("Logic" and "science" according to authoritarians!)
If you ever come around to wanting to work on your affliction, EvilBahnFuhrer, start here: M. Scott Peck, The People of the Lie, the Hope for Healing Human Evil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684848597/reasonmagazinea-20/
People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these “people of the lie” work in the lives of those around them.
No, because you don't have a right to an abortion, and you don't have the right to murder. Crushing an eagle egg or turtle egg kills a eagle or turtle respectively. Ask any libtard. They will agree. Thus science! and reason! tells us, killing an implanted human embryo kills a human. And if you do it intentionally, that's murder.
This is the direction evolution and God talk, are taking us, and forcing pregnancies are MORE civilized than murdering people. Now we voted. It's done. GET THE FUCK IN LINE.
What's the use of votes and voting, when only the RIGHT (rightIST) votes are counted, and ALL of the rest are "fraudulent", Oh Great Wise Authoritarian?
Der TrumpfenFuhrer ***IS*** responsible for agitating for democracy to be replaced by mobocracy!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses.
Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.
Trump’s constant re-telling and supporting the Big Lie (any election not electing Trump is “stolen”) set up the environment for this (insurrection riot) to happen. He shares the blame. Boys will be boys? Insurrectionists will be insurrectionists, trumpanzees gone apeshit will be trumpanzees gone apeshit, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Trump was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
It really should immediately make us think of Krystallnacht. Hitler and the NAZIs set up for this by constantly blaming Jews for all things bad. Jew-haters will be Jew-haters, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Hitler was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
So first of all, all my previous responses to you were about 25% trolling, 25% my opinion, and 50% observations. Sorry for being mean to you, I hadn't had breakfast or coffee yet. Again, there was a lot of trolling there. But most of what I replied to you, is an observation of how I see people treat each other, and how they think. You want to listen to the kind of attitude I just gave to you? Go to crooksandliars.com. It is an exclusive club for left wing authoritarians, where I spend a lot of time, repetitively getting banned and then coming back and ridiculing them. The phrase "being dragged into civilization" directly came from some of the comments I hear there.
Is abortion bad? Yes. Nobody "wishes" an abortion on another. When a person celebrates their abortion, it is detestable. Because it is not something to be celebrated. At all. Ever. Does abortion take a life? Yes. Everything that the right says about abortion is absolutely correct. It's correct!
Now, is forcing women to give birth bad? Yes. Nobody "wishes" women to be forced birthers or baby making machines. At least, the people I know don't. Is it right that a person shouldn't have bodily autonomy? No. It's not right. A persons body is very personal to them, and they literally own it. It is 100% their responsibility and 100% belongs to them.
However, there is a problem here. Unfortunately, we are all literally born, from the bodies of our predecessors. And we must stay inside them, for a time, like all mammals, until we are born. And that creates an untenable situation, an unreconcilable situation, on the boundaries of where our rights begin and end. And I'm very much conflicted on abortion and can see the arguments on both sides. To the right and the left, everything is to be remedied and controlled by the government. So when there is a problem, their immediate solution is a government solution. Legislation. And so what options do we have? We can do nothing and leave the issue to the people on a personal basis to be governed by their ideals and culture. That is unlikely, because 90% of the populace are authoritarians (99% democrats + 80% republicans). So what are the legislation that will be passed? The left support uncontrolled abortion all the way up till birth. Now that is crazy to me. Would a doctor abort an 8 month old baby? Probably not. He/She probably wouldn't want to. But it would still make a legal. So if a person didn't want a baby, technically they could kill that baby and face no repercussions. That is unacceptable to the right. Completely unacceptable. They see it as murder. Literally.
I once talked to some Hindu people, and they thought abortion was a horrible thing. They have different beliefs, and some believe in reincarnation. But typically if they are religious, they believe in some form of transcendent morality. Meaning what they do in this life, affects them in the next. And they think abortion is horrible.
I once talked to some Buddhists about it. Actually, my wife is Asian, and is Buddhist. All the actual Buddhists that I know, think abortion is horrible. They see it as people killing a baby. Buddhists are kind of the "do no harm" type of belief system. And they think abortion is horrible.
I once talked to some Muslims from Kuwait. They said abortion is not legal in their country, because they see no difference at all, between abortion and murder. And I would say most Christians are the same. Same with most actual practicing Jews.
So most belief systems out there find abortion abhorrent. Now, atheisms, and maybe Satanism, support it. There are so few satanists, they are barely worth talking about. And Atheists seem to think, all we are, are vibrating atoms, emitting waves into an abyss of empty space. And that sounds pretty bleak. And that also means there is no transcendent morality. And no transcendent morality + bleakness tends to = nihilism. And Nihilism is really bad for people, individuals and populations. There is no morality that exists, within nihilism. And even you, make decisions for yourself within a moral hierarchy.
So we know the left support abortion up until birth. That is the party policy. The policy on the right, seems to support contraception, even contraception that would cause a fertilized egg that is not implanted, to die. The policy on the right (most of them) support a week or two to have an abortion after a missed period. Otherwise - forced birthing. And their argument, which to a degree is correct, is that the woman (and man) partook in activities that resulted in a life coming into being, and thus now must be responsible for them. Now one can argue, that if a woman is raped, can she abort it? Because she had no decision making about that at all, it was forced upon her. And some on the right say, "no. Because a baby is innocent and didn't have anything to do with that rape. Killing it is still killing a baby." Which is technically true. And some on the right say "Would you [the left] allow abortions for rapes, but not for those of inconveniences?" And the left says "No. We support abortions up until birth. No compromise!" And the left always wants to point at rape, birth defects, and incest as reasons for abortion. Which are actually very very few. And the right points at irresponsibility, accidents, and lack of contraceptive for the reasons, which is very very many. And so even between them, there is no compromise to be sought. The left see it as their unequivocal right, to bodily autonomy. And the right see it is as intentional killing of innocents. It is seemingly unreconcilable, because the right doesn't want to live in a world where murder goes unpunished, and the left doesn't want to live in a world where women don't have bodily autonomy. And there is no legislative solution that is NOT authoritarian. And an authoritarian legislation WILL BE passed. There is no doubt about that. So what can be passed? Are we to mandate birth control for all women everywhere until they get a permit to go off birth control? Any man who interferes with them taking birth control goes to court? The ideal solution, is people to take personal responsibility, and not have children they don't want to take care of, and not make children only to kill them because they made a mistake. The problem is, fewer and fewer people are doing this. Safe, legal, and rare became "celebrate your abortion while wearing a pussy hat!" And that for the most part, is what is pushing the right's battle against abortion. They see that it is no longer safe, legal, and rare. And the opinion that the latest generation seems to be is, is that of nihilism and detestable murder of babies as a form of contraceptive. What to do about it - everyone is still working that out.
Women can do whatever they want, including pregnancy prevention, except kill babies. Now stop advocating for murder of innocents you little turd.
Abortion doesn't kill a baby. That's where your logic fails. Babies are born. There's no such thing as an unborn child. The food I'm eating isn't an unshat turd. It's food. It also has no right to life.
Fucking jazillions of years of evolution, and/or religious God talk also gave you an answer that says fartilized HUMAN egg smells have rights, and other kinds of egg smells do NOT? Can you document that, in a verifiable manner, please?
Fucking jazillions of years of evolution, and/or religious God talk also gave me an answer that says we have big "brains" now, so we are authorized to prolong our lives using predator control, modern medicine, and artificial sanitation. We are also allowed to use said giant brains to SAFELY induce abortion, which, among other things, serves as "predator control" against the likes of Lying Lothario!
Don't you have an eagle egg to protect with your life while you advocate for baby murder you little turd? Ask a libtard if destroying a eagle egg kills eagles (they will say yes). Ask a libtard if destroying a turtle egg kills turtles (they will say yes). Then ask a libtard if abortion kills a human, and then they say "It's just a clump of cells."
People are waking up to to your hypocrisy and retarded reasoning. Roe is over. STFU and get in line, or cage! People are "evolving" into more advanced civilization where human babies are not murdered. You can get on board, or you can get in a prison cell, after we vote on it.
First thing we agree on.
No. We voted. Now get in line or cage, bitch. Fucking jazillions of years of evolution, and/or religious God talk has reached the conclusion, and rightly so, that murdering babies takes a life, just like crushing a eagle egg in front a screeching bawling liberal kills an eagle. It's reasonable. And already reasoned. Now people have voted. Roe is getting overturned, because it should, because it is "unreasonable." Fucking jazillions of years of evolution, and/or religious God talk gave us the ability to reason. Stop killing babies, or cage!
I hope that some sunny day, authoritarians will stop being such utterly evil, bossy assholes! Failing that, it would probably be a GOOD thing if 51% of the voters voted to put them to death!
Says the guy that is advocating for stabbing a baby in the head and sucking its brains out. YOU are the authoritarian.
Says the guy that is advocating for worshitting fartilized egg smells, but only if they are HUMAN smells!!! 'Cause God/Evolution told him so!
Also, the majority are authoritarians! Not the minority!
Did you know THIS? Make sure you are sitting down, now!!!!
There are NO laws (human, physics, biological, chemical, or otherwise) that forbid us from ALL becoming NON-authoritarians! We ARE authorized to go this way, and God/Evolution will NOT stop us! The Google was correct! Don't be evil!
Lmao, no it won't. A fertilized cell is not a living person with an "inalienable right to life". Read Ayn Rand and get back to actual libertarianism.
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/abortion.html
What if....
SQRLFKY and Misek got into a fight and you couldn't see it because you had them both muted? Everybody wins!
https://reason.com/2021/02/05/civil-asset-forfeiture-indiana-supreme-court-tyson-timbs/#comment-8746433
According to Chuckles the Smug-Pig (using Smug-Pig’s “logic” vis-a-vis Section 230), stealing all of the druggy’s property with flat-out Government Almighty fiat might be bad, maybe… But it is ALL made TOTES cool… WONDERFUL maybe even… If we just get ONE person to file a “civil” lawsuit against druggy-dude, first!
Hey druggy-dude, your drug habits hurt my baby feelings, so I am taking you to CIVIL court! NOW after THIS particular magic wand is waved, Government Almighty taking his property is just WUNDERBAR!!! (Maybe I’ll get the leftovers after Government Almighty taxes the shit out of my lawsuit-lottery winnings).
https://reason.com/2021/02/04/how-biden-is-repeating-trumps-mistakes/#comment-8742467
Hey Chuckles the Smug-Pig… You do know this, right? Your magic underwear will NOT protect you from the results of your smug-pig ways!!!
SCOTUS is going to kill Roe, and I'm going to instantly cream when it happens. And mostly because you'll be screaming is total despair, because you won't be able to legally kill babies around me.
You're going to instantly cream, 'cause you can then steal the reproductive services of your harem of enslaved, lied-to women, who you can deceive some MORE, Lying Lothario! And you THINK they won't fight back, 'cause everyone obeys all the laws, in your fantasy land? Ha! Ya got another thing coming, fool!
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/05/27/1099739656/do-restrictive-abortion-laws-actually-reduce-abortion-a-global-map-offers-insigh “Do restrictive abortion laws actually reduce abortion? A global map offers insights” Answer: No, tighter laws do NOT reduce the number of abortions… They just make them harder to get, and more dangerous!
Feel free to fight back, right into a cage!
Of course it can't stop all the abortions, but we can stop the abortions happening around us #federalism. And that's a start to a more advanced civilization where babies aren't murdered.
Not a reasonable argument. Making them harder to get and more dangerous WILL reduce the abortions! Now stop murdering babies your barbaric savage freak. We are going to drag you into civilization, or into a cage. Choice is yours.
Nuclear annihilation of the human race will ALSO stop abortions, and evil assholes like YOU are ready to go there!
My advocating for the reduction and ultimate collapse of the baby murder industry and rights to murder babies doesn't have anything to do with fissionable material.
Cells fission ALL the time, ignorant one!
(Maybe your brain neuron failed to fission, so you have only ONE neuron! Now THAT would go a LONG way towards explaining some things!)
Looking back at how abortion advertising bans played out last century may, paradoxically, give us some idea what the future holds for free speech about abortion.
Do you have any idea what the fuck a paradox is?
Is it when you own two boat slips?
No, it is two ducks walking down the road to help the chicken get across.
Yippie!
Speaking of chicks, Easter is next week.
Ill get to see all those young girls bending over in short skirts picking up gaily colored eggs.
Not gay like Buttigeg. Ewww, what a creep.
Here comes Jill with my pudding. Then I get to go play President and fuck something else up.
Cya kids !
the whole daughter in the shower thing is pretty repulsive dude.
"Ill get to see all those young girls bending over in short skirts picking up gaily colored eggs."
Don't be sooooo damned bigoted! They are properly called gaily rainbow-colored gender-fluid gametes (maybe-eggs, maybe-sperm, maybe LGBTQZRWMXYZ gametes)!!!
(Did you know that the physics and cosmology gamete-heads debate whether or not black holes have hair? https://www.quantamagazine.org/in-violation-of-einstein-black-holes-might-have-hair-20210211/ In Violation of Einstein, Black Holes Might Have ‘Hair’ )
Now Joe Biden, BEHAVE yourself! Do NOT pick up ANY of those gaily colored gametes, to see if they are eggs or sperm, or you will collapse their LGBTQZRWMXYZ quantum wave fronts!!!
That's when two progressive libertarians dox the same person for their microaggressions or misgendering, right?
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1540204639391465474?t=zGE6hXvQYQAFEBdTFfzAww&s=19
This woman made a parody TikTok about the erasure of women and now the unhinged left is after her job and trying to get her expelled from college. They got her TikTok account suspended & leaked her phone number, too.
As someone who was also doxxed, I wanted to express my support.
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donkey equidistantly between two piles of hay.
My new pair of Docksiders
Is it when government actors work with Big Tech to suppress information about alternatives to abortion
Abortion rights also come with 1st Amendment battles, such as restrictions on anti abortion protests, requiring crisis pregnancy to list where can abortion may be obtained, attempts to require Catholic medical facilities to perform abortions, requiring physicians to train to perform abortions as part of a medical degree, and that letter the Democrats just sent out demanding that Google suppress crisis pregnancy centers from turning up in searches.
Sorry, ENB your side are assholes as well.
So you are concerned baby killers might get treated like people who don't want to get an experimental vaccine?
It may come as a shock, but the mafia can't really advertise their contract killing services even now.
I left 4,000 Americans stranded in Afghanistan but dont mention it, I think I've so badly fucked the economy up that no one remembers.
One aspirin tablet can prevent pregnancy. Place it between your knees and keep it there.
Or shove it up your dick
Clemdane, YES. It's not the woman's job to handle all this. It takes two to tango.
Just remember, this is the same ENB that thinks Jane's Revenge is a right wing false flag to make the pro-abortion side look bad.
"It was 1971, and
abortionmurder was largely illegal in Florida. A young woman came to a Florida State University chaplain seeking advice about an unwantedpregnancychild. So, Rev. Leo Sandon informed her of a clergy-backedabortion clinicmurder for hire service in New York that would perform the procedure for $150."The idea that abortion is murder is religious nonsense. All of you right wing bible thumpers are just forcing your religious opinions on everyone else.
The idea of universal human rights which must be respected is forcing beliefs on potentially unwilling persons.
Do human rights exist, in your view?
Yes of course human rights exist. For instance the right of people to have medical procedures without anyone telling them what they can and can't do with their own bodies.
So you are perfectly fine enforcing your beliefs on human rights on someone who would violate those beliefs?
Human rights don't exist for non-humans.
Infanticide is murder. For the record, I’m agnostic.
Yes, and why are they hanging out on a site for Libertarians?
"one more thing used to justify cracking down on digital platforms and those who use them." - ENB
So, is ENB acknowledging that the government is forcing censorship on private platforms? Because she usually pretends that it either doesn't exist, it's a right-wing conspiracy or it's no big deal.
I guess that changes now that it affects her "libertarian" position on abortion. But censoring all those icky conservative people, tots okay.
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