Should Donald Trump and Hunter Biden Both Be Prosecuted?

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Should Donald Trump and Hunter Biden Both Be Prosecuted?

In this week's The Reason Roundtable, editors Matt Welch, Nick Gillespie, and Peter Suderman welcome special guest Jacob Sullum to wade through the latest Donald Trump indictments and Hunter Biden's legal woes.

1:11: Trump indictment roundup

24:18: Hunter Biden's plea deal

38:59: Weekly Listener Question

48:58: This week's cultural recommendations

Mentioned in this podcast:

"Trump's Alleged Cover-Up of His Cover-Up Reinforces the Obstruction Charges Against Him," by Jacob Sullum

"2 Reasons It's Not Clear That Trump 'Corruptly' Obstructed an Official Proceeding," by Jacob Sullum

"Here Is Why Trump's 'Contingent' Electors Say They Did Nothing Illegal," by Jacob Sullum

"How Hunter Biden's Plea Deal Fell Apart," by Jacob Sullum

"Hunter Biden Shouldn't Go to Prison for Violating an Arbitrary Gun Law," by Jacob Sullum

"Clark Neily: Regardless of Guilt, Trump Won't Go to Jail," by Nick Gillespie and Zach Weissmueller

"Trump's Impeachment Trial Will Only Make Us Hate Washington Even More," by Nick Gillespie

"Judge Napolitano: Enough Evidence 'to Justify About Three or Four Articles of Impeachment.'" by Nick Gillespie

"All Drug Offenders Should Be Treated Like Hunter Biden: Leniently," by Nick Gillespie

"Squirtle's seen some shit, man," tweets Nick Gillespie

"First Family Follies," by Nick Gillespie

"Andrew Tatarsky and Maia Szalavitz: How 'Harm Reduction' Is Transforming Drug Policy," by Nick Gillespie

"What Will the End of the Drug War Mean for Addicts? Look to Oregon," by Zach Weissmueller

"Ethan Nadelmann: Legalize ALL Drugs. NOW." by Nick Gillespie and Zach Weissmueller

Send your questions to [e-mail]. Be sure to include your social media handle and the correct pronunciation of your name.

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Comments

[Spiritus Mundi]

Boaf sidez!

[Mike Laursen]

In this case, absolutely both sides. And they can prosecute Hillary while they are it.

[Spiritus Mundi]

Novel legal theories v selling influence, totally the same!

[JesseAz]

Exactly my point below. Novel legal theories to go after a person while the DoJ hides common legal theories from view. They are not equal no matter how you slice it.

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[Ben of Houston]

I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but it goes further than that. There are two unquestionable facts that make an unquestionable conclusion.

A: Hunter Biden is a user of cocaine.
B: Hunter Biden has had 24/7 Secret Service protection since 2008.

These two indisputable facts lead to one inexorable conclusion. The Secret Service has either witnessed countless drug deals and done nothing despite their sworn oath, or they bought the drugs for him.

The DOJ isn't just turning a blind eye. They are actively aiding and abetting him and their agents either actively lied or were deliberately not called by omission.

[Mike Laursen]

“Hunter Biden has had 24/7 Secret Service protection since 2008.”

No doubt he had some Secret Service protection. What was the extent of it?

[Mike Laursen]

Is “novel legal theories” referring to Trump’s various self-contradicting bullshit excuses for his actions?

[JesseAz]

You truly are a dumbass.

[Mother's Lament]

"In this case, absolutely both sides."

Frivolous political prosecution for keeping your documents and writing something on the wrong line, is totally the same thing as prosecution for taking bribes.

Congratulations White Mike, you're fucking evil.

[RCT82]

Not his documents

[chemjeff radical individualist]

No no, you misunderstand.
Trump declassified documents with his mind. Telepathically.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo]

Hay Fatfuck, this has been covered. Now you’re just embarrassing yourself.

As usual.

[Vernon Depner]

50 First Dates with Jeffy.

[Mother's Lament]

Yeah, there's no way Jeffy can plead ignorance at this point, his nose has been rubbed in Judicial Watch v. NARA so many times now.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Judicial Watch vs. NARA doesn't say what your right-wing masters claim it says. You would know this if you actually read the case yourself. But you don't.

[Mother's Lament]

Sure it does. You're just a psychopathic liar with a penchant for frivolous political prosecutions against your enemies, so no matter how many times the truth is demonstrated you're going to claim otherwise.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Cite where JW v. NARA gives Trump the power to do what he did, from the text of the decision itself.

[Bill Falcon]

if only Trump had given it all to Israel it would be forgiven by the DC elites...Nuland would be singing Trumps praises..

[NOYB2]

Well, kind of like Biden, who has repeatedly declassified information when he let it slip in conversations and press conferences.

Yes, presidents can do that sort of thing.

[JesseAz]

U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson in Washington D.C. ultimately rejected Judicial Watch's suit by concluding there was no provision in the Presidential Records Act to force the National Archives to seize records from a former president.
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"Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion," Jackson wrote in her March 2012 decision, which was never appealed.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/old-case-over-audio-tapes-bill-clintons-sock-drawer-could-impact

[con_fuse9]

The problem is classified documents, by definition, belong to the government. They are not, "Presidential records"

[JesseAz]

That is not a problem but a rationalization.

NARA was the impetus for the search, not classified material. Classified material was found on multiple political hard drives or boxes or desks, only one is being prosecuted.

Navy vs Egan decision also states classification authority rests with the president and includes a declassification example in the ruling regarding a president declassifying information on the fly in talking with a foreign entity. Trump was that authority and claims he declassified. What evidence do you have that denies that? Please bring uo the interview examples of hearing papers ruffling. Because when he is discussing papers he is talking about the New Yorker with a story regarding Milley blaming trump. Papers means newspapers. Smith didn't charge him for any papers related to Iran.

The entire impetus fir the search was from a spoiled tree. Do you disagree? Why were others not charged with the espionage act? Explain.

[Mother's Lament]

"Not his documents"

That's not what the courts say.

[JesseAz]

His MSNBC law degree says different.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

That is what the courts say. But you remain purposefully ignorant.

[Mother's Lament]

Rather, you remain purposefully dishonest.

[zhadum]

Even if you forgive the keeping the documents - he went and deliberately tried to have documents that he knew were under a valid federal subpoena destroyed. That right there is a felony.

[JesseAz]

What documents were destroyed? So far Smith has charged attempted obstruction. Nothing was destroyed. Unlike Hillary who deleted her server and destroyed phones or like Mueller who wiped his teams phones.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

When Hillary got a subpoena for her emails she simply deleted them.

[markm23]

Hunter Biden was not prosecuted for taking bribes. He was prosecuted for lying on the federal questionnaire to buy a gun, and for tax evasion. The tax crime might be complicated, but the gun crime is very simple - he filled out the form, checking the box to say he is not a user of illegal drugs, he signed the form, and he has said elsewhere that he used cocaine, many times.

He _should_ also be prosecuted for collecting bribes for his father - but the federal prosecutors tried to bury that charge as a concealed part of his plea deal for the gun and tax crimes. The judge wasn't having that, and eventually Hunter pled guilty to the gun and (one instance of) tax crimes without any protection against prosecution on other charges.

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

How does one say "false equivalence" in Reasonoid?

"Should Hitler and Hillary both be executed?"

[Vernon Depner]

Hitler died of old age in Indonesia. Hillary should be executed for war crimes.

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

"Should TReason writers and Jefferey Dahmer both be prosecuted?"

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Don’t you see the brilliance of this proposal? Reason: “Sure we don’t actually believe Hunter is guilty, but if it gets rid of Trump…”

[Ersatz]

how about… Should Joe and Hunter Biden both be prosecuted?

hey, just askin’
😉

(all you tribalists out there – dont read anything into it… mmmkay?)

[Incredulous]

Exactly. That's the right question.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Hey, my tribe is people dedicated to hating tribes.

[Dillinger]

>>Trump indictment roundup

zero crimes committed. Brandon, Inc. otoh …

edit: and seriously are you in on the O coverup or just afraid to type the veritas?

[Mike Laursen]

Semper Trump!

[Dillinger]

facts are not partisan.

[Butler T. Reynolds]

Of course Trump is innocent: he's baby Jesus' candidate aftet all.

[JeremyR]

How about the DOJ being prosecuted? They are defending one of Hunter Biden's payoffs by saying it was for legal fees (which is what Trump got indicted for) when it clearly wasn't.

(I mean, obviously it's not a crime for the DOJ to say that, but clearly they are covering up)

[Mother's Lament]

"How about the DOJ being prosecuted?"

This. There's got to be almost two dozen instances of purposefully obstructing justice here.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Give a specific example.

[Ben of Houston]

How did Biden get the cocaine? He has 24/7 security. There’s no answer that doesn’t mean aiding and abetting by his guards.

It's not the worst of his crimes. However, it's the one that is most ironclad over the longest period and the one that has no explanation that doesn't involve a substantial amount of active coverup by sworn officers of the law.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

If it's possible to get drugs into prisons, I think it's possible to slip drugs past a couple of SS agents. So no I don't think the 'ironclad' proof is there of SS agents feeding him coke.

Incidentally, there are plenty of rumors that Don Trump Jr. is a drug user as well. Don't know if they are true, but his ex claimed they both did drugs while they dated. Didn't Don Jr. have SS protection too?

And I seem to recall this scandal a little while back about SS agents partying it up in Colombia in advance of a presidential visit, just a little bit too much. I'm sure there were some illegal activities going on there.

So maybe it is just this big open secret that presidential kids get the nose candy courtesy of the SS, or the SS just "look the other way", or the kids are wily enough to sneak it past the bodyguards, I don't know. Sure, it's all possible I suppose on some level.

But if there is some problem, it's not because of "Biden corruption", it's an institutional problem that needs to be fixed.

[DesigNate]

You know drugs get into prisons because some guard looks the other way right?

[damikesc]

Hunter does not have RUMORS of his drug use. He has documented it extensively. Not a comparable standard there.

[Mike Laursen]

I’m sure he just has really bad allergies:

https://youtu.be/cgszZk-CnCg

[damikesc]

We have photos and videos taken by Hunter of Hunter smoking crack.

Fuck your innuendos.

Come back with something concrete. Not “cunty YouTuber tried to make a funny”

[chemjeff radical individualist]

(which is what Trump got indicted for)

The indictment was for claiming the "legal fee", which was actually a hush money payment, was a campaign expense. Last I checked, Hunter Biden is not a candidate and not running a campaign.

Do details matter at all? Or is the only thing that matters the color of the team?

[Vernon Depner]

You’ve got it backwards. The prosecution’s claim is that the hush money SHOULD HAVE been claimed as a campaign expense.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Oh that's right. In any event, the prosecution was associated with the payment being a part (or not) of a political campaign. Hunter Biden is still not a candidate and still not running a political campaign.

So, you would agree that bringing up that one of Hunter Biden's payments was supposedly for legal fees has absolutely zero bearing on the Trump case, right?

[Ben of Houston]

His prosecution was a nonsensical interpretation that was a catch-22. So much so that you and countless others get it entirely backwards. It didn't matter if he did or didn't claim it as a campaign expense, they would have claimed that he did it wrong.

A catch-22 is anathema to the concept of justice.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Sigh. The point is, the complaint of "Trump was prosecuted for doing something screwy with legal fees, why isn't Hunter Biden being prosecuted for his screwy activity with legal fees, huh????" is nonsensical because Trump's issue regarding legal fees were directly associated with political campaign activity, while Hunter Biden's is not.

Or, I suppose the complaint is, "They are inventing crimes to go after Trump, why aren't they inventing crimes to go after Hunter Biden"? Is that it?

[Ben of Houston]

Jeff, stop playing daft. I know you are quite intelligent, and this is beneath ou.

They are making up crimes to go after Trump while simultaneously ignoring so many blatant and simple crimes of the Bidens.

Do you know what convinced me that Biden had accepted bribes? The Trump impeachment. The evidence presented was stronger against Biden than Trump, yet only one of the two ever had charges pursued.

There is the catch-22 Daniels situation, the file classification argument. I could go on. Things that are normal and expected in Washington, yet the world is ending if Trump does the same thing.

On the other hand, Biden and Clinton don't even get kid glove treatment, but active coverup by the justice department. To the point that a judge rejected the plea deal because it was so broad-reaching and lenient. If this was fictional, I would consider it unbelievable because of how transparent it is.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Do you know what convinced me that Biden had accepted bribes? The Trump impeachment.

I see. So you aren't even pretending to look at the quality of the evidence (or lack thereof), just the team sport aspect of things.

Underlying your analysis is the implicit assumption that Trump is just behaving the same way everyone else in Washington does, but the Powers That Be are targeting Trump because he's Trump, while leaving everyone else alone. Right?

Well, what if your implicit assumption is wrong? That Trump is NOT simply doing what everyone else is doing? That Trump's behavior in many of these cases is significantly worse?

I mean, what *exactly* is your argument here? That Trump shouldn't have been prosecuted for his hush money stuff because "everybody in DC pays off hookers as campaign expenses"? Maybe that's not actually true.

[R Mac]

“Jeff, stop playing daft. I know you are quite intelligent, and this is beneath ou.”

Now I’m questioning your intelligence, Ben.

[Vernon Depner]

I know you are quite intelligent

Cite?

[markm23]

"The prosecution’s claim is that the hush money SHOULD HAVE been claimed as a campaign expense." Others have been prosecuted for claiming hush money payments as a campaign expense. This isn't an attempt to prosecute a crime, it's an attempt to prosecute a man, and they'd call it a crime no matter what Trump did.

If we truly had a justice system, this prosecutor would be standing trial for civil rights violations.

[Nardz]

Pravda writers would have too much integrity to be Reason staff

[Minadin]

Dude, at least it's an ethos.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Say what you will...

[JesseAz]

Should novel readings of the law to go after someone be equated to standard application of the law to go after someone?

Hunter is guilty of normal application of the law. What is abnormal in the case of Hunter is the DoJ's actions taken against him. He still hasn't even been indicted despite the plea agreement. Felonies were allowed to lapse with status of limitations without requests to extend. Complete standard laws used to go after Trump cabinet members like FARA were ignored. A diversion agreement given for a gun felony charge never before seen.

vs.

Novel interpretations of the law. Breaking of attorney privilege. Conspiracy to commit obstruction despite nothing being obstructed (no video was deleted). Raids on the house of the POTUS. Putting NARA above the President in discussions on documents despite PRA ruling during Clinton. Use of the Espionage Act on a president. Threatening a job recommendation to ASUA spot to someone under investigation related to Trump.

These two actions are not equal. Stop equating the two. It makes you look really dumb and ignorant.

[JesseAz]

I mean this alone should make it obvious they are not the same:

1:11: Trump indictment roundup
24:18: Hunter Biden's plea deal

[Mother's Lament]

There's more than enough to prosecute the FBI and DOJ.

[Spiritus Mundi]

And who would do that? Seems like a giant flaw in the system. Special prosecutor? Costs millions and would be stymied by threats from the DOJ against the SP for more process crimes. DOJ is the most powerful entity in the US.

[Mother's Lament]

If we've learned anything over the last seven years, it's the need for some Nuremberg-type mechanism to prosecute bureaucrats and government entities when they deliberately break the law or violate the constitution.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Who is going to run your Nuremberg-style tribunals?

[Mother's Lament]

Who ran the Nuremberg tribunals, fuckwit? Government officials and judges.

If a rogue government agency or individuals are breaking the law and violating the constitution, Congress should have a mechanism to prosecute.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Government officials and judges.

Hmm, so different bureaucrats than the ones that you think are corrupt? Is that it?

If a rogue government agency or individuals are breaking the law and violating the constitution, Congress should have a mechanism to prosecute.

That mechanism already exists. You'd know this if you weren't a dumb Canadian. Or maybe you do know this, but you just want to create a drumhead tribunal to summarily execute your political opponents. Will there be free helicopter rides in your version of the Nuremberg trials?

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

Communist Lying Fucktard disagrees with anything that would result in him standing up against a wall, of course. Despite being a complete moron, he does have that much a sense of self preservation.

[Incredulous]

Exactly.

[Will Sanders]

If they are, it should be in front of a jury that isn't plucked from a highly partisan place.

[Unicorn Abattoir]

Why? Has Biden done something wrong? Because I watch CNN, and they haven’t said anything bad about him…

[CE]

As a libertarian, H. Biden's gun and drug charges should be tossed out, since they aren't actually crimes. And his selling access to, and granting favors on behalf of, the sitting Vice President of the USA (and a leading contender to be the next President) should bring down the whole Biden Administration.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

What about government actions to suppress knowledge and action about selling favors? Are they crimes?

[chemjeff radical individualist]

And his selling access to, and granting favors on behalf of, the sitting Vice President of the USA (and a leading contender to be the next President) should bring down the whole Biden Administration.

From a libertarian point of view?

Hunter Biden is a private citizen and is free to associate with whomever he pleases and promise whatever he likes. His speech and actions only become matters of public concern depending on what *Joe* Biden does or doesn't do.

JUST LIKE, Don Jr. and Eric Trump during the Trump Admin. Are you quite certain that Don Jr. in particular (Eric seemed to stay out of the way for the most part) didn't try to monetize his own connections to daddy?

[DesigNate]

Maybe he did. I’ll wait for the evidence he sold access to his dad and got him to change/craft policy to benefit the people that paid him. You know, like we have for Hunter.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

The *solid, verifiable evidence* that Hunter Biden “sold access to his dad and got him to change/craft policy to benefit the people that paid him.” is very weak.

That is not to say that Hunter Biden isn't a scummy sleazeball. He sure appears to be. But right now there doesn't appear to be any *solid proof* that Hunter Biden got his dad to do anything at the behest of the people paying Hunter.

The closest thing is the whistleblower guy who claims that the Burisma CEO bribed both Joe and Hunter. But the Burisma CEO had previously denied having ANY connection with Joe four years ago, long before this investigation had started.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/07/31/hunter-bidens-ex-friend-devon-archer-denies-president-talked-business-with-sons-associates-the-biggest-allegations-involving-hunter-biden-and-his-father-explained/?sh=7bad75461384

So, who is telling the truth here? Again, no solid proof either way.

I think the Team Red strategy here is just to create such a huge stink about the "Biden Crime Family" that more and more people just start thinking that they are corrupt without them having to prove it. It sure fits in with the postmodernist Team Red approach to "truth" as what your circle of friends believe. Just make that circle of friends big enough, and voila, Biden becomes guilty of bribery!

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Also - it would make no sense for the Burisma CEO to bribe *Hunter* Biden because Hunter Biden was ALREADY being "bribed" with a seat on the board of Burisma. So the whole whistleblower claim seems a little fishy to me right now.

[CE]

Or to reframe the question, "Is active political corruption involving the active Vice-President just as bad as the corrupt Justice Department fishing for charges for 7 years until they find something that might stick, to protect democracy by sidelining a popular opposition party candidate?"

[Vernon Depner]

Come, Mister tally man, tally me banana

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Show me the man, and I'll find you the crime.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Poor poor Trump.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

This time it's all legit.

[Mother's Lament]

Poor poor Jeff.

Have you thought about throwing the entire US code against him? Charge him with absolutely everything?

Something would eventually have to stick.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Oh there you go, shamelessly plagiarizing an idea that you stole from American Greatness.

So I skimmed through a few articles there. I noticed that they all just link to other places on the right - mainly The Federalist. Are those the two places where you mainly get your 'news'?

[DesigNate]

If they’re willing to do this to someone who donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to them over the years all because their pied piper strategy actually worked, imagine what they’ll do if a third party actually pulled off the unimaginable.

It’s not poor Trump per se, it’s poor America. Sad that your hatred blinds you.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

No one forced Trump to take all those documents home.

No one forced Trump to stonewall the government for months, then to defy a subpoena, then to instruct his lawyer to lie about returning them all, then to brag on tape about how he had all this classified shit sitting in his bathroom that he knew he wasn't supposed to have.

"Oh but none of that matters, they just would have indicted him with something else anyway". Maybe, maybe not. But Trump sure did make it easy for them with his outrageous behavior, didn't he? If Trump really thought the government was going to lynch him no matter what, why did he make it so easy for them to construct the noose?

And one more thing. Trump is not some innocent naïve waif here. He knows exactly how this game is played. He is the guy who bragged on the Republican debate stage that he donated to Democratic politicians because he viewed it as a type of bribe, that he would call later with an ask and they would run over to kiss his ass. So Trump knows about this whole corrupt game. And yet, Mr. "Art Of The Deal" Dealmaker here, couldn't figure out how to play the game well enough to keep a few lousy documents without looking like a complete bumbling oaf?

[chemjeff radical individualist]

So I do not buy into your cynical view of things.

Trump is being prosecuted because they believe he broke the law. And the case looks pretty strong, frankly.

Trump is being treated relatively harshly compared to Obama, Bush, Pence, etc., because Trump acted differently compared to Obama, Bush, Pence, etc. He played games, defied a subpoena, told his lawyer to lie. The others didn't do that.

Trump is not some poor victim. Trump is not some martyr for a cause. He is a thin-skinned whiny asshole who got caught breaking the rules one too many times and got slapped down for it.

Do not listen to the cynics and the demagogues who very desperately want to paint the issue with the broadest possible brush, to ignore the details, so as to leave you with the misleading impression that the prosecution is nothing but political revenge.

"But WHATABOUT Obama/Pence/Bush/Biden/Hillary/...?????" Their cases are different with different details.

"But the FBI/DOJ is corrupt, just look at RussiaGate/Bankman Fried/Hunter Biden plea deal/etc.....!!!!!!!!!!" Again all different situations with different details and different contexts. But you have to go beyond the superficial surface to see these details.

Etc.

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

Keep pushing, motherfuckers.

[Bill Falcon]

Blanket immunity for Hunter..dropping charges against SBF for stealing from customers to "donate" $300M to DC elites...the DOJ in action.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Yeah, we just wanted to avoid all that discovery nonsense.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-ftx-charges-bankmanfried-crypto-508764697415

[Sevo]

"Should Donald Trump and Hunter Biden Both Be Prosecuted?"

Trump no, Biden yes.

[Foo_dd]

should they both be prosecuted?

yes and no.

yes, they are both criminals and there is ample evidence in the public record to support charges against them both.

no, not for the charges actually being levied. the hush money charges are so ridiculous they actually help trump because they are so obviously exaggerated.

and a second no.... just for sanity. i would prefer to see anyone named trump or biden fade into obscurity instead of the constant mind numbing whataboutism we get every time either is mentioned.

[Sevo]

"...yes, they are both criminals..."

Yes, Trump is guilty of being Donald Trump and a late library book return. Biden, OTOH, was selling access as a sitting VP.

[Operator Six]

Of course, it would be too offensive to Reason’s readers to only talk about Hunter and Joe Biden.

[Sevo]

Reason certainly is getting their money's worth out of the steam-powered server today.

[Ellewist]

If these people did or may commited crime(s), they should be indicted...regardless of their political views!

[Djea3]

The Question itself proves to be a leftist trick. The TWO, Hunter Biden and Donald Trump are not the same case and are not related in any way.

Hunter Biden needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of law. he has proven himself a CRIMINAL and proven to have used his relationship with the VP Biden and now President Biden to financially enrich his family and self and to avoid prosecution. Those who failed to make arrests and failed to disclose the criminal actions known before the last election need to loose their jobs and to be in prison themselves.

With regard to Trump, Democrats have proven that they will do anything to attack Trump in any way that they can. The call to impeach happened the moment Trump won the Primaries. We know that HRC and the Democrats PAID a foreign spy to create a false criminal narrative regarding Trump. We know that the criminal acts of Biden and his family were KNOWN before the election and not revealed. In other words Leftist activity in bureaucracy has tainted and overthrown the government in the USA. There can be no fair trial in DC for any conservative, DC is NOT a place where a "jury of peers" can ever be chosen for a conservative and has not been for at least 4 decades.

I say the question is "when will be see prosecution of those that overthrew this government by hiding criminal acts of the Biden Clan and by allowing manufactured false accusations to come to light against Trump? The FBI agents, the Democrat agents, the bureaucrats that have abused the PEOPLE need to be in PRISON and their retirements all seized for their actions.

Stop asking stupid questions reason.com!

[Libertariantranslator]

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