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First Amendment

She Was Arrested for Her Journalism. A Federal Court Says She Can't Sue.

Priscilla Villarreal, also known as "Lagordiloca," has sparked a debate about free speech and who, exactly, is a journalist.

Billy Binion | 1.30.2024 11:27 AM

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Priscilla Villearreal, also known as Lagordiloca, is seen in front of the decision from the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals | Saenz Photography; The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit
Priscilla Villarreal, also known as Lagordiloca (Saenz Photography; The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit)

A journalist asked the police a few questions and was arrested by that same agency for publishing the answers.

That this happened not in China or Russia but in the U.S. may raise some eyebrows. Yet that's the conduct a federal court greenlit last week when it ruled that law enforcement in Laredo, Texas, did not obviously violate the Constitution when officers allegedly misled a magistrate judge and arrested Priscilla Villarreal for doing basic reporting, adding another twist to a case that in some sense asks the following: Exactly who is a journalist?

In April 2017, Villarreal reported the identity of a Border Patrol agent who killed himself by jumping off of a local overpass. A few weeks later, she published the last name of a family involved in a fatal traffic accident. She confirmed both of those identities with an officer in the Laredo Police Department (LPD). In response, that department set in motion a criminal investigation—complete with subpoenas for various people's cellphone records—that saw Villarreal arrested months later for violating an obscure Texas law, § 39.06(c), that prohibits soliciting "nonpublic information" if done "with intent to obtain a benefit."

The supposed benefit, the government said, was followers on her Facebook page.

Villarreal's Facebook is indeed central to her story. She is known almost ubiquitously in Laredo, where she gained popularity by livestreaming local crime scenes and traffic accidents, infusing her videos with provocative, and often-profane, commentary. Some of that reporting has been critical of law enforcement, attracting their ire and culminating, she says, in their attempt to shut her up via the criminal justice system.

It didn't work. But it did kick off a multiyear debate over whether or not her arrest violated the Constitution, and, if so, if those officers should be shielded by qualified immunity, the legal doctrine that prevents alleged victims of abuse from bringing civil suits against state and local government actors if the way in which those employees violated the law has not yet been spelled out precisely in a prior court ruling.

After years of a legal back-and-forth, Villarreal got her answer last week from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit: It was not clear that officers had violated the Constitution when they charged her criminally for her journalism, the majority ruled 9-7. But the decision, which was challenged forcefully by several dissenting judges, raises further questions about what qualifies as journalism and if those who adhere to a more traditional approach are entitled to a different set of rights.

"Villarreal and others portray her as a martyr for the sake of journalism. That is inappropriate," wrote Judge Edith Jones. "Mainstream, legitimate media outlets routinely withhold the identity of accident victims or those who committed suicide until public officials or family members release that information publicly."

According to Jones and the majority, a reasonable officer could not be expected to know that it is unconstitutional to bring charges against someone for asking the government questions. That obscure Texas law, Jones said, understandably supplied law enforcement with the notion that Villarreal was indeed a criminal, despite that the statute appears to have been written to discourage corruption in government, not boilerplate journalism.

The way Villarreal communicates information, however, is anything but boilerplate. She is not employed by a publication, and her livestreams are raw and unfiltered. That general spirit is summed up well in what she named her page: Lagordiloca, or "the crazy, fat lady."

In that vein, the 5th Circuit's decision is dripping with contempt for Villarreal's enterprise; Jones makes little attempt to hide it. Lagordiloca's rough-around-the-edges, muckraker approach can certainly be jarring. But one wonders if the court would have ruled the same way if Villarreal had been employed by, say, the Laredo Morning Times, where her alleged "benefit" for seeking information would arguably be more significant: a salary. It is also unclear if the police would have had the gumption to arrest her had she fit a more conventional mold.

At least in terms of the latter, Villarreal's contention is "no." The officers leveraged the law illegally, she maintains, to retaliate against her. Buttressing that theory is the fact that no one had ever before been prosecuted under the law Villarreal was charged with breaking. 

"Those who arrested, handcuffed, jailed, mocked, and prosecuted Priscilla Villarreal, far from having to make a snap decision or heat-of-the-moment gut call, spent several months plotting Villarreal's takedown, dusting off and weaponizing a dormant Texas statute never successfully wielded in the statute's near- quarter-century of existence," wrote Judge Don Willett in dissent. "This was not the hot pursuit of a presumed criminal; it was the premeditated pursuit of a confirmed critic."

Core to the majority's error in judgment, Willett wrote, is a double standard that holds the most powerful people to the lowest standard and the least powerful to the highest. "While the majority says the officers could not have 'predicted' that their thought-out plan to lock up a citizen-journalist for asking questions would violate the First Amendment—a plan cooked up with legal advice from the Webb County District Attorney's Office, mind you—the majority simultaneously indulges the notion that Villarreal had zero excuse for not knowing that her actions might implicate an obscure, never-used provision of the Texas Penal Code," he wrote. "In other words, encyclopedic jurisprudential knowledge is imputed to Villarreal, but the government agents targeting her are free to plead (or feign) ignorance of bedrock constitutional guarantees."

The alleged obviousness of the constitutional violation here—punishing someone for their speech—drives much of the dissents. In 2020, the Supreme Court reversed a ruling that awarded qualified immunity to a group of prison guards who locked an inmate, Trent Taylor, in two cells at the John T. Montford Psychiatric Facility Unit: one that was allegedly filled with "massive" amounts of human feces and the other with sewage from a clogged floor drain. The original ruling immunizing those officers had been too exacting, the high court said, when evaluating if it was clearly established that government employees should know such treatment violates a person's right to be free from cruel and unusual punishment.

The federal court that originally handed down that myopic ruling: the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit.

The court's latest ruling in Villarreal's case "magnifies the troubling trend of police and prosecutors abusing their power to silence speech and punish speakers they dislike," says J.T. Morris, an attorney at the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, who represents Villarreal. "The majority decision spurns [a] core First Amendment protection, allowing public officials to evade accountability when they jail Americans who say something the government disapproves of."

Interestingly, there's been a counterintuitive relationship between Villarreal's polarizing approach and the supporters she's united during her protracted litigation in the 5th Circuit. Among those who urged the court to rule in her favor: Alliance Defending Freedom, the conservative Christian legal advocacy group most known for defending religious liberty; the libertarian Cato Institute; the left-leaning Constitutional Accountability Center; and the far-right Project Veritas. It would be difficult to pinpoint very many topics that bring these groups together. That is, after all, the spirit behind the First Amendment: You can disagree with someone's message but still support their right to say it.

"If the First Amendment means anything, surely it means that citizens have the right to question or criticize public officials without fear of imprisonment," wrote Judge James Ho, who previously ruled in favor of Villarreal, in dissent. "It would make no sense for the First Amendment to protect the right to speak, but not to ask questions—or the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances, but not for information."

No matter how you feel about Villarreal and her project, however, it's undeniable that law enforcement's actions, while intending to silence her, expanded her platform. When reached for comment, her response was instructive.

"This is not a loss," she told me. "I said it several times. I want to go all the way to the Supreme Court!"

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  1. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

    Before I can take a stance here, I have to know...

    What political "Team" does Priscilla Villarreal belong to? THAT is ALL that matters, around these here parts!

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      No, skin color is the most important thing.

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      2. Inigo Montoya   1 year ago

        Nah, we need to know her pronouns and what gender(s) she's attracted to. That makes the difference between condemnation and wholehearted support.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul. they/them)   1 year ago

      Well, I have a very rough guess because Reason is making a big deal about someone being arrested for "doing journalism". Villarreal is by faaaaaaaaarrrr not the first person to run into trouble with the government for "doing journalism" but they picked THIS entirely "too local" story to do it. So I have my suspicions.

      1. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

        Binion characterizing Project Veritas as "far right", usually a pejorative term in this sort of context.

        1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   1 year ago

          Binion and the rest of the Reason gang votes ‘strategically’ for the people who want to restrict journalism to state approved media reporters.

          1. R Mac   1 year ago

            I’m forgetting the details, but there’s currently a journalist that was present on 1/6 that didn’t enter the capitol but is being charged. Haven’t heard a peep from Reason about it. And of course there’s:

            https://twitter.com/mattwelch/status/1102654202545913857?s=12

            So Reason can fuck right off on this topic altogether.

            1. R Mac   1 year ago

              What Masterthief said below.

            2. Ron   1 year ago

              meanwhile there are journalist from CNN who did enter the capital and they are not being charged.

              1. VULGAR MADMAN   1 year ago

                Would Stalin arrest his own agents?

                1. Beezard   1 year ago

                  A couple years later when he was done with them, probably.

      2. Super Scary   1 year ago

        "She is known almost ubiquitously in Laredo, where she gained popularity by livestreaming local crime scenes and traffic accidents, infusing her videos with provocative, and often-profane, commentary."

        Yep, sure sounds like journalism to me and not just the usual social media bullshit; I guess my nephew is also a journalist. Even still, the Judge is wrong on this one.

        1. Randy Sax   1 year ago

          Anyone who "does journalism" is a journalist. It's not like being a doctor or an engineer. If your nephew posts online about his middle skool pep-rally, that IS journalism.

          1. Super Scary   1 year ago (edited)

            Posting online about a pep-rally is a far cry from shouting “WORLD STAR” during car wrecks. It’s a flimsy definition to attribute anyone that says words out loud in a video as a “journalist”.

            1. Randy Sax   1 year ago

              It is a flimsy definition. On purpose. The right to publish, the right to speech, the freedom of the press belongs to everyone. Not some specific elite "Journo" class.

              1. Super Scary   1 year ago (edited)
              2. Super Scary   1 year ago

                Right, so there isn't really a need to call this blogger a journalist.

                1. Randy Sax   1 year ago

                  The reason to call her one is so that POS judges like this one can't say "Well she isn't a journalist, so she freedom of the press doesn't apply to her"

                2. EdG   1 year ago

                  Press today is a far larger concept that it was 200+ years ago. Since the drafters of the 1st Amendment weren't all-knowing psychics who could predict radio, television, and the interent, there must be leeway in the definition of press. Unless you're suggesting press refers only to ink printed on paper and doesn't include radio reporters, tv reporters, etc.

                3. damikesc   1 year ago

                  There very much is.

                  If the government decides who a journalist is, then we have even more serious problems than we have now.

                  Who a journalist is should be what the person involved says, not what the government says.

              3. mad.casual   1 year ago (edited)

                It is a flimsy definition. On purpose.

                You know what isn’t flimsy? “Congress shall make no law…” doesn’t, in any way, mean “Texas courts shall not find…” even to the point that other parts specifically say “shall be relegated to the States and to the people”.

                The selective interpretation involved in regarding Villarreal as a journalist beyond reproach under the 1A feels an awful lot like the same selective interpretation that regards J6 as insurrection, Antifa as a non-entity, and Mac Isaac’s disclosure of Hunter Biden’s laptop as Russian disinformation (because Isaac’s not a journalist, duh).

                1. EdG   1 year ago

                  Mac Isaac doesn't hold himself out as a journalist.

        2. Milhouse   1 year ago

          The whole question of whether she is a "journalist", or how to define "journalism" is a giant red herring. The constitution says not one word about "journalism" or "journalists". Neither "doing journalism" nor being a "journalist" gets you any special constitutional status. What the constitution guarantees to everyone is the right to say whatever you like ("the freedom of speech") and to publish whatever you like ("and of the press"). We generally refer to these two rights collectively as "the freedom of expression". There is no real difference between them. This woman publishes her work, so she is exercising the exact same freedom of the press as Pinch Sulzberger does in publishing the New York Times. And if a NYT writer would not be arrested for doing what this woman did then she can't be arrested either.

          The 5th circuit was unanimous on that point. The difference was merely on whether this is something that the cops had a duty to know; the standard there is usually whether there's a court decision directly on point, and cops usually get off because the closest previous case was slightly different ("We know the first amendment protects people who are speaking English, but how were we to know it also protects people who are speaking Arabic?"). Here the majority said it wasn't obvious enough, and the dissent said "What are you, crazy?! How is that not blindingly obvious?"

          1. Davy C   1 year ago

            Exactly. Freedom of the press is just freedom of speech using tools.

      3. MasterThief   1 year ago (edited)

        This is an old story. If memory serves, she used a source in the department to illegally share private information. Reason’s framing was inaccurate then and from the headline it doesn’t seem like they want to correct that.
        Can't be bothered to search, but I'd be willing to bet Owen Shroyer isn't mentioned here and probably hasn't been covered by Reason as a journalist tossed in jail because of politics. Of course they wouldn't Ike him because he was at J6.

        1. Zeb   1 year ago

          It's the source that is illegally releasing the information. Isn't it pretty well established precedent that it is legal to publish information that was illegally leaked? If anyone should be punished over this it's the cop.

          1. R Mac   1 year ago

            Depends who’s involved.

            1. mad.casual   1 year ago

              And how. If it's just outside the precinct building and someone shouts out the question, the officer answers and then realizes "I shouldn't have told you that." that's one thing.

              If the officer and the 'journalist' have text messages back and forth talking about how the desk sergeant is a dick and if the officer can give the journalist some unverified dirt she'll give the officer a shout out and make sure the sergeant looks like dickbag.

          2. TheDudeAbe   1 year ago

            "Isn’t it pretty well established precedent that it is legal to publish information that was illegally leaked?"

            You might want to ask Julian Assange about that.

      4. mad.casual   1 year ago (edited)

        All the things together:

        Democracy is two social activist journalists, colluding with the government, and an average citizen agreeing to disagree that “the 1A is a murder-suicide pact” is protected free speech.

    3. sarcasmic   1 year ago

      How long before someone invokes you know who?

      1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        You just did.

      2. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago (edited)

        Note how you were the first to do so.

        "It doesn't count when sarc does it"

        1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

          Heading them off at the pass.

          1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

            Go rob the bank before the bad guys do it!

            1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

              Whenever I think you can't be any more stupid, you always manage to surprise me.

              1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   1 year ago

                Fuck off pussy. Journey just some obnoxious, drunken piece of shit that won’t go away. You’re not a libertarian and you have nothing to add.

                You don’t even have the guts to back up your drunken threats.

          2. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

            Again,

            “It doesn’t count when sarc does it”

            1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

              Yes. If I say it first then no one will.
              If I'm not first then it's open season on anyone who criticizes cops but doesn't demand a certain officer be charged with first degree murder for martyring a saint.
              I stopped a whole lot of bullshit.

              1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

                LOL

              2. R Mac   1 year ago

                You are the bullshit sarc.

                1. Eric Bjerregaard   1 year ago

                  Every thug involved deserves to be
                  Sleeping with the fishes.

                  1. VULGAR MADMAN   1 year ago

                    The cops actually murdered two women that day.

      3. Super Scary   1 year ago (edited)

        “He who shall not be named." Remember: if you say his name, it gives him power.

    4. bobodoc   1 year ago

      SQRLSY One "Before I can take a stance here, I have to know…
      What political “Team” does Priscilla Villarreal belong to? THAT is ALL that matters, around these here parts!"

      Projection much? (in case the squirrel can't get it..."projection; the mental process by which people attribute to others what is in their own minds.").

  2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

    It's amazing how shitty judges are at comprehending the constitution.

    1. a ab abc abcd abcde abcdef ahf   1 year ago

      They comprehend it all too well, and find ways to skirt it all too well. This is what happens when government employees decide the fate of other government employees who they depend on for their own government employee perks, such as not getting traffic tickets and having courtroom bodyguards.

  3. sarcasmic   1 year ago

    Core to the majority's error in judgment, Willett wrote, is a double standard that holds the most powerful people to the lowest standard and the least powerful to the highest.

    Remember folks, ignorance of the law is no excuse. Unless you enforce it.

    1. Bill Dalasio   1 year ago

      From everything I've seen Willett is an honest judge with a lot of integrity. There was talk in the first Trump administration about him on the fast track for the SCOTUS. But, he's got a record of decisions and, as much as I'm sure you'd like to play "BOAF SIDES!!", progressives have said he's a non-starter.

      1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

        Not sure what that has to do with my comment. My point was that we peons are expected to know the law. Mens rea is long dead for us. Those who enforce the law are excused if they don't know it. They get the benefit of the doubt. This isn't judge by judge. It's according to The Supreme Nazgul. See Heien v. North Carolina.

        1. R Mac   1 year ago

          The rule is if you respond to sarc, it has to be specific to the comment. He’ll follow the same rule right after he sobers up.

        2. KHP54   1 year ago

          Unsurprisingly, you appear to think that mens rea has to do with whether you knew the act was a crime or not.

          Of course, that isn't what it means, but that doesn't stop you from bloviating about it.

  4. Azathoth!!   1 year ago

    So, some obscure Laredo facebook influencer ISN'T too local?

    1. Social Justice is neither   1 year ago

      Well, it's either this or the treatment of journalists covering J6 and we all know how that calculus goes at Treason.

      1. EdG   1 year ago

        It's interesting that you're defending a Black Lives Matter anarchist.

  5. mad.casual   1 year ago (edited)

    Remember that legion of unholy, inhuman trolls that were going to act in bad faith, destroy common decency, and tear down and disrepute the internet if Section 230 didn’t stop them? Yeah…

    “Mainstream, legitimate media outlets routinely withhold the identity of accident victims or those who committed suicide until public officials or family members release that information publicly.”

    Of note: she didn’t just “stumble upon a suicide victim” and post to social media, she was getting inside info from someone in the department. So, once again, not just “muh privut korporashun”.

    It’s really one of the worst, corner-case defenses of free speech possible. Muckraker got busted for raking muck that wasn’t hers. Stupid games. Stupid prizes.

    1. rloquitur   1 year ago

      So if you ask a cop a question, you can be prosecuted? Is that the country in which you would like to reside?

      1. Zeb   1 year ago

        I would think it's on the cops to make sure non-public information isn't inappropriately disclosed.

        1. mad.casual   1 year ago (edited)

          I get the impression that rloquitur is a hyperbolic tar baby like so many others around here. People who would shoot Ashli Babbitt in the face to prevent the imminent collapse of democracy and then get retardedly incredulous when other people think “Maybe the State of Texas forbidding ‘journalists’ from working with police to doxx dead people and crime victims won't precipitate the collapse of Western Civilization. It's really only clearly a 1A issue if you're A-OK with journalism-police partnership *and* the voiding of any/all individuals' right to privacy in the name of the 1A.”

          People who aren’t so much concerned about free speech or liberty or the law or human life as much as they’re concerned about signalling on behalf of themselves and whatever team they think they’re representing.

          1. Fk_Censorship   1 year ago

            What is that right to privacy in the 1A of which you speak? I can't seem to find it. Unless it's some Roe v Wade thing.

      2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

        So if you ask a cop a question, you can be prosecuted?

        Depends on if you hurt his ego or not. If so you can be prosecuted for assaulting his fists and feet with your face.

        1. rloquitur   1 year ago

          Well, of course. If the cop decided to strike you, it must have been because you caused him to do so. The worst possible crime is assaulting the cop's bicep with your throat--a truly horrendous crime for which the death penalty is authorized.

          1. sarcasmic   1 year ago (edited)

            Ever overhear drunk cops in a bar? I used to work as a cook at a place with a bar where cops would hang out, and what I heard terrified me. One told a story where there was an uncooperative woman who he choked out over and over. Each time she woke up confused and started fighting, so he’d choke her out again. He described it as killing her again and again, a dozen or more times, and he loved it. Another one, really drunk, was almost sobbing that he hadn’t had killed anyone. He became a cop to kill people. The others consoled him with kind words like “You’ll get your chance.”
            I’ve got a reputation for having no respect for cops. That’s a big reason why.
            edit: this was in the dark ages before everyone carried a camera in their pocket

            1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

              Another bullshit sarc anecdote.

              1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                Always attack the person, not what they say. Well done.

                1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                  You post made-up stories like this regularly.

                  1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                    Attack the source for making it up, not what was said. You're really good at this.

                    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      Dude, you still don't understand why that's not what's happening.

                    2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      Attack my intelligence. Bravo.

                    3. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   1 year ago

                      Why should anyone dignify your made up stories you drunken pussy?

                      GTFO. You’re worthless.

            2. jimc5499   1 year ago

              Watched a cop get totally trashed one night. He left the Bar and got into an accident. He was killed and two teenagers in the car he hit were killed. They made up some BS about his being "undercover" and actually started investigating the people he hit. They were throwing out all kinds of BS about them. How they shouldn't have been out that late, they had to have been on drugs and other crap. The cop was buried a "hero" and his family got his insurance and pension. Once that was done the "investigation" admitted turning up nothing on the teenagers.

            3. JesseAz   1 year ago

              This never happened.

            4. damikesc   1 year ago

              Your story sounds like utter bullshit, sarc.

              There is no point in responding to it due to it sounding like something a really shitty screenwriter would write for a really, really shitty movie.

              It's the modern-Marvel-movies-of-idiotic-stories.

      3. Pear Satirical   1 year ago

        Well saying you didn't rape someone is defamation worth 83 million

        1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

          Only thing I can think of is the odds of finding Trump sympathizers in the jury pool for that trial were so low that the chances of even one mitigating voice within the jury was zero. The result was an absurd verdict.

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago

            Now I'm curious as to your original statements on the case. Might go back to the original sorry. Bet you attacked those who criticized it and mocked trump.

            Want to play a game?

          2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   1 year ago

            Yeah, probably a lot of raging anti Trump democrat assholes.

            Like you.

    2. Milhouse   1 year ago

      It makes no difference. Once information has been obtained, whether legally or illegally, the first amendment protects the right to publish it.

      Remember when some couple illegally recorded a phone conversation involving Newt Gingrich, and passed it on to a Dem congressman, who gave it to the WaPo (if I recall correctly), which published it? The couple were prosecuted, but the courts said the congressman and the newspaper were protected by the first amendment. So how is this woman different?

      1. Davy C   1 year ago

        The intermediary? The WaPo can't legally ask someone to illegally record a conversation. But if they just so happen to get it from someone else...

  6. MWAocdoc   1 year ago

    While I am very glad that there are heroes willing to stand up for all of our rights and groups willing to support them in their efforts, this is ultimately doomed to fail. For every one of these cases, there are dozens that never get challenged or even noticed. And every time the Supreme Court rules against the state in a case like this, they feel the need to rule for the state three or four other times. And when they do rule against the state, full-time highly-compensated elected and appointed officials with unlimited tax-funded resources and literally nothing else to do with their time come up with slightly different wording pretending to satisfy the Supreme Court until challenged over the following two or three or four years or decades.

  7. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

    So, by this case, anti-doxxing laws are against the 1st Amendment because doxxing someone is basic journalism?

    The journalistic purpose for making public the names of the dead person and cop was what?

    1. rloquitur   1 year ago

      The content wasn't an issue--she was arrested, literally, for asking a cop a question. Why don't you start by getting that right, you statist stooge.

      1. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

        It is how Binion rationalized that what she did should considered basic "journalism". My question was less about the legality than whether it is good journalism.

        1. Milhouse   1 year ago

          Who cares whether it's "good journalism'? I don't believe there is such a thing.

    2. Zeb   1 year ago

      Journalism is just publishing information. It doesn't need a purpose or connection to a public interest to be journalism.

      If the police gave out information that isn't supposed to be public, shouldn't they be the ones in trouble? Publishing information, even if obtained illegally, is considered protected speech/press, isn't it?

    3. Milhouse   1 year ago

      It doesn't need to have a "journalistic purpose". The first amendment makes no special room for "journalism". It's the freedom of the press and it belongs equally to everyone. Asking what her purpose was in publishing it is exactly like asking someone what their purpose is in owning an AR-15. In both cases the correct answer is "None of your business".

    4. Fk_Censorship   1 year ago

      Why would doxxing not be protected by the First Amendment? Isn't the freedom to possess information and to share it as you wish one of the most fundamental freedoms humans possess?

  8. rloquitur   1 year ago

    People can look at my posts--I am no liberal. But I do believe in the rights that are, you know, written down. Let's just take a bit of recent news--the sentencing of that government contractor, Littlejohn. Could the NY Times be lawfully sanctioned for obtaining the tax info--information that is, by the way, protected from public disclosure. Of course not. So the Laredo cops get to flex their authoritay against this woman for asking a cop a question?

    Disgusting. Edith Jones is an absolute disgrace to the bench. Her editorializing about Villareal's work is vile and completely unbecoming.

    Somehow I doubt the Supreme Court will take up this case. She's not sympathetic to the statist Roberts/Kavanaugh, and the libs won't want to get their hands dirty. In a sane world, this case would be reversed summarily. It won't.

    In other First Amendment news, Mark Steyn squares off with Michael Mann.

  9. SRG2   1 year ago

    Edith Jones for the majority? Why am I not surprised? She is a malign authoritarian POS.

    And Qualified Immunity - if retained at all - should only be reserved for spur-of-the-moment actions, not preplanned and premeditated actions.

    1. Davy C   1 year ago

      It seems like "split-second decisions" was the rationale for much of it, but whether a decision was split-second really has little to do with it. An officer facing a split-second decision isn't going to go through every relevant precedential decision in his head before acting.

      I'm sympathetic to it in some situations that aren't spur of the moment. The guy who interrogated Miranda shouldn't be out a million dollars because he didn't use the warning the courts hadn't yet decided needed to be said. The problem is where to draw the line. I'm sure many judges like to think that *of course* a law against their pet issue is unconstitutional.

  10. Longtobefree   1 year ago

    If we treat everyone as equal under the law, why all this fuss over a job title?
    "journalists" should got no more or less protection than a street sweeper.

    1. rloquitur   1 year ago

      Because acts of journalism, whether by you or me or a NY Times reporter are covered by the "freedom of the press."

      1. Milhouse   1 year ago

        No, they're not. All acts of publication are equally protected, whether they're "journalism" or not, just as all acts of speaking are equally protected. The "press" in the first amendment is not an industry or an activity, it's a machine. The freedom of the press is the right to use that machine. And it belongs to everyone who has access to such a machine.

    2. MWAocdoc   1 year ago

      True. There is nothing in the first amendment that says that journalists get special protection and that you have to somehow prove that you're a "journalist" to be covered by the first amendment. It specifically says "freedom of speech or of the press."

      1. rloquitur   1 year ago

        Amen, bro. You hit the nail on the head. The idea that the freedom of the press protects journalism writ large and not journalists per se is the right way to think about it.

        1. Milhouse   1 year ago

          No, it isn't. The right way to think is that it protects all uses of a press. "Journalism" doesn't come into it, let alone "journalists".

  11. PMBug   1 year ago

    Land of the free!

  12. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>Mainstream, legitimate media outlets

    lolz

    1. mad.casual   1 year ago

      I hate Megyn Kelly and, in every dimension or context, I'll take 2 of her for every Villarreal please.

      1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   1 year ago

        At least MK is hot, and not a raving Marxist.

        1. Fk_Censorship   1 year ago

          But she's got blood pouring out her everything.

  13. Fozzy Bear   1 year ago

    There should be a journal to publicize all these decisions to officially put police on notice

  14. Krenn   1 year ago

    I really don't get why the definition of "journalism" is even considered important in the first place. The Constitution doesn't say there's a freedom to engage in "journalism", the Constitution says there's a freedom to speak and publish.

    As far as I'm concerned, either everyone is a journalist, or nobody is, but in both scenarios, "Journalist" is not a category which requires any form of legal or judicial notice. Same as "Professional Typist" is not a category that requires any special laws or special attention from the judiciary. It's just a name.

    1. SMP0328   1 year ago

      I really don’t get why the definition of “journalism” is even considered important in the first place.

      Because it gives the Fifth Circuit majority a way to ignore the text of the First Amendment.

      1. NOYB2   1 year ago

        The text of the First Amendment is relevant for whether she is guilty, but it is not relevant to whether she can be charged.

        As long as this law hasn't been struck down and there is probable cause to believe she committed the elements of the crime, police can legitimately charge her.

        1. rloquitur   1 year ago

          Absolutely not. If activity is 1A protected, it violates the 1A to arrest a person for it.

          1. NOYB2   1 year ago

            Absolutely not. If activity is 1A protected, it violates the 1A to arrest a person for it.

            The woman violated a valid law on the books. Therefore, the cops can reasonably assume that the activity is not 1A protected.

            It's not the job of cops to unilaterally declare laws as violative of the 1A.

            1. Milhouse   1 year ago

              It was not a valid law. And yes, the cops ought to have known that.

          2. mad.casual   1 year ago (edited)

            Go fuck yourself. The 1A isn’t an unbridled license to collude with the government. It’s not an unbridled license to doxx private individuals. It’s not a license to collude with the government, doxx people, and then hide behind the government and declare everything to be OK when the government employee gets fired.

            This is utterly retarded idiocy especially considering the 1A actually says “Congress shall make no law…” not “A Texas court shall never find…”.

            This is, once again, the same ENB-retarded level “We have to defend abortion even if that means defending doctors who work in back alleys using coathangers.” blind, ideological zealotry.

            1. Milhouse   1 year ago

              Yes, it is an unbridled license to say or publish anything that doesn't fall within one of a short list of known exceptions. Doxxing is not one of those.

              And the 14th amendment extends it from "Congress" to "or any state".

              1. mad.casual   1 year ago

                -1 for ignoring collusion with The State
                -1 for invoking the 14A as a defense of speech
                -1 for emanations and prenumbras between the 14A and the 1A
                -1 for the assumption that the 1A, with or without the 14th has fuck all to do with acts between private entities such as doxxing
                -1 the incorrect and unwarranted expansion of the Federal government against free speech
                -1 for inflicting your stupidity on us all

                Various states' one-party vs. two-party vs. all-party recording vs. in person consent, libel and defamation laws stand as direct evidence against your induced retardation that the 14A somehow grants Congress domain over State and local courts finding of free speech.

                That's six strikes you're a retarded loser twice over. If anyone thought your position was their side in defense of democracy, you've done them a great favor in showing them that it's not, in any way, the defense they perceived it to be.

                1. Obviously   1 year ago

                  why is this guy so aggro and rude

        2. marshaul   1 year ago (edited)

          “…an unconstitutional act is not a law, and can neither confer a right or immunity nor operate to supersede any existing valid law.” an unconstitutional statute “is of no more force or validity than a piece of blank paper,” “is simply a statute in form, is not a law, and under every circumstance or condition lacks the force of law.”

          SCOTUS and various state courts. So, no. QI can’t be pierced (according to the 5th Kangaroo Court), but they still can’t legitimately do it.

    2. rloquitur   1 year ago

      A couple reasons:

      (1) There is freedom of the press, which pre-supposes that doing press things (which helps keeps the citizenry informed) is protected. So yeah, you can ask government questions. And the right not just personal to the speaker. Messing with a journalist violates the public's 1A rights. (Although good luck arguing standing, lol).

      (2) There is a hierarchy of speech. And messing with newspapers is taboo and that may push the needle in some 1A cases.

      1. NOYB2   1 year ago (edited)

        So yeah, you can ask government questions.

        Not under false pretenses. For example, if you obtain people’s private information by stating a false purpose or false identity, you can be held accountable. Likewise, you can be held accountable if you agree to keeping information private and then violate that agreement. "Journalism" doesn't give you an excuse to do either of those things.

        1. Milhouse   1 year ago

          For example, if you obtain people’s private information by stating a false purpose or false identity, you can be held accountable. Likewise, you can be held accountable if you agree to keeping information private and then violate that agreement.

          You can be held accountable for obtaining the information, not for publishing it. And no, you cannot be held criminally liable for violating a private agreement not to publish something. At most the person with whom you made the agreement can sue you.

          1. mad.casual   1 year ago

            Dude, you're the fucking tard that says the 14A grants the Federal government domain over local courts' decisions on 1A matters, plainly reading the 14A way outside it's lane as far more destructive to our Federal republic than it already is. It's clear you don't know dick about which you are speaking and don't really care if you destroy free speech or individual liberty as long as you think other people think you're right. Fuck off you retarded tar baby.

      2. Krenn   1 year ago

        From my perspective, any activity I take with intention to publish is press activity. I don't see a distinction between, say, using a printing press to print hard-hitting truths, versus using a printing press to print lolcat memes. Both involve freedom of the press.

        And I certainly don't see any rule stating that I have to follow any sort of code of conduct in order for my press activities to 'count'. That defeats the entire point of having 'freedom' of the press.

      3. Milhouse   1 year ago

        The only "press thing" is the act of publication. There is nothing in the first amendment about keeping people informed.

  15. Longtobefree   1 year ago

    Lagordiloca, or "the crazy, fat lady."

    Well, truth in journalism, anyway.

  16. Naime Bond   1 year ago

    Reagan appointed Jones and her prior decisions gave no indication this absolute drivel of an opinion was in her future. Or is she so smart, that she deliberately wrote a most obnoxious and most illogical decision that was sure to be taken up the S. Ct. and perhaps used to put an end to qualified immunity?

    1. SMP0328   1 year ago

      I assume this is simply an incredibly stupid decision, rather than some sort of 3-D chess by Edith Jones.

      1. rloquitur   1 year ago

        Edith Jones trashed her reputation. For what--to protect thug government officials?

  17. shadydave   1 year ago

    "Exactly who is a journalist?" By law it should matter not a single iota. Journalists don't have special privileges, or at least they damned well shouldn't. Obviously "professional" journalists disagree with this, but since they shouldn't have special privileges who cares what they think?

    1. rloquitur   1 year ago

      The issue for 1A purposes is whether the activity is journalism, not whether the person is a journalist.

      1. Milhouse   1 year ago

        No, it isn't. Acts of journalism have no special privilege. Publishing the news is no more privileged than publishing trashy fanfic.

      2. marshaul   1 year ago

        Still gatekeeping. You merely nudged the posts a bit.

  18. NOYB2   1 year ago

    After years of a legal back-and-forth, Villarreal got her answer last week from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit: It was not clear that officers had violated the Constitution when they charged her criminally for her [actions], the majority ruled 9-7.

    Officers had probable cause to assume that she violated the law that was on the books, that's why they were justified in charging her. Whether the law is "obscure" or "unconstitutional" is not something they need to take into account. Whether she was ultimately found guilty doesn't matter. Nor does it matter that they also happened not to like this person.

    That's why it is important to remove unconstitutional and questionable laws from the books: as long as they are on the books, police can use them to charge people with them. Legislatures: do you effing job.

    1. rloquitur   1 year ago

      The First Amendment trumps the statute, and any reasonable person should know that you cannot be arrested for asking the cops a question.

      1. NOYB2   1 year ago (edited)

        The First Amendment trumps the statute

        And a court of law is free to determine that and strike down the law. Until it does, the law is valid and cops can choose to arrest people for it. And if they do, you have no case claiming that they deliberately violated your constitutional rights.

        and any reasonable person should know that you cannot be arrested for asking the cops a question

        Obtaining other people’s private information from the cops by misrepresenting who you are certainly can get you arrested and convicted, and it should. Being a journalist doesn’t make such misrepresentations legally acceptable.

        1. Milhouse   1 year ago

          Unconstitutional laws are automatically invalid. They don't need a court to strike them down.

  19. Eeyore   1 year ago

    Premeditated harrasment.

  20. Thoritsu   1 year ago

    Until the government is held to the same level of accountability as citizens, we do not have freedom. Ignorance of the law is no excuse ... police.
    Violating the constitution needs to come with severe penalties. Only then will government be ours, instead of theirs.

  21. Get To Da Chippah   1 year ago

    It should be a crime that Don Willett isn't a SCOTUS justice.

  22. cavehobbit   1 year ago

    I always wonder at folks who are surprised when the courts side with the aristocrats and those that serve them, such as police. Or legacy media for that matter.

    After all, so many of our jurists are from the aristocratic classes, why would they side with the plebes?

    If this person had been working for an old-line print or broadcast organization this probably would have gone another way. But then her stories probably would never have been reported to start with.

  23. Homple   1 year ago

    If freedom of speech were a real thing in this country, it wouldn't matter if Ms. Whomever was a "journalist" or not. She could say what she pleased and that would be the end of the matter.

    The scribbling classes get too wound up about special dispensation for themselves.

    1. mad.casual   1 year ago

      If freedom of speech were as you imagine it, everywhere would be worse off. It's not a freedom from lying, it's not a freedom from doing harm, it's not a freedom from the consequences of your actions any more than the 2A is the freedom to fire two shotgun blasts through the door at a would be intruder.

      And your not-exactly-selective stupidity is part of the problem.

  24. MrMxyzptlk   1 year ago

    Pink hair means I don't care.

  25. car-keynes   1 year ago

    There is no big deal if Everyone has a right to file a case against anyone for any reason so long as they may be given a chance to demonstrate that the liability being claimed was actual AND unlawful.

    And perhaps a given claim CAN be proven to be actual AND unlawful. But while quite necessary to convict anyone, or at least essential to persuade of guilt, it is not sufficient to convict -- for example -- because there may be a federal right, a state right, or even a clingy signatory contract involved.

  26. TJJ2000   1 year ago

    It's the officers job not to disclose nonpublic information.
    This is just a case of passing the buck.

  27. Pear Satirical   1 year ago

    Hey Reason, how about the 6 pro-lifers that just got convicted?

    1. mad.casual   1 year ago

      They aren't journalists or citizen activist journalists so what's that got to do with the 1A or personal liberty? Unless they were doxxing people by working with the State it's not a clear cut case of the fall of Free Speech and Western Society to be concerned with. There's potentially a libertarian angle about their abrogation of the Constitutional right to attain an abortion reproductive healthcare but that's ENB's beat. Besides, it's just a niche interpretation of a too local law.

    2. marshaul   1 year ago

      What about them? Your right to swing your fist ends at my face. Your right to wave signs ends at impeding access to medical care (also a right). Pretty simple stuff here for people with a moral compass, i.e. those who don't advocate for rapists' rights.

  28. dangfitz   1 year ago

    If Congress -and any political entity for whom the 1st Amendment has been “incorporated”, like this one,- can make no law regarding the freedom of speech, or of the oress, from where do they get the power to define who is & who isn’t a “journalist”?

    1. StevenF   1 year ago

      Actually, it doesn't matter if someone is, or it not a journalist. The 1st amendment doesn't allow for restricting freedom of the press to journalists.

  29. Djea3   1 year ago

    In a recently old Supreme Court Decision, SCOTUS stated that virtually EVERY PERSON WITH A VIDEO CAMERA and access to social media IS A REPORTER when they act as a reporter.

    That decision has been used AGAINST POLICE constantly since that time by hundreds of not thousands of self proclaimed "police auditors" and their rights as reporters have been upheld 100%, with millions paid for violation of civil right by police during that auditing.

    This decision is a SHAM and a criminal act by the court as they know the decisions made by SCOTUS pre-empt this decision. I say appeal and add the judge and this federal court to the complaint.

  30. Uncle Jay   1 year ago

    Free speech in the Union of Soviet Socialist Slave States of Amerika?
    Get real.
    That would be like asking for an election in the Proletariat Paradise of Cuba.

  31. StevenF   1 year ago

    The 1st amendment doesn't restrict freedom of the press to "journalists". In fact, at the time it was ratified, the term "press" referred to the physical printing press.

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