Coronavirus

Lockdown Is Ending, Whether Governments Approve or Not

Executive orders may have encouraged the lockdowns, but they always depended on voluntary behavior.

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Some states have lifted their COVID-19 lockdowns or announced plans to let more businesses reopen soon; others have extended stay-at-home orders into late May or even early June. But regardless of what officials dictate, data from Apple and Foursquare suggest the lockdowns are gradually coming to an end on their own anyway, as more people venture out of their homes and resume various levels of economic activity.

"As officials begin the process of relaxing some business restrictions, we're starting to see upticks in foot traffic to various places," Foursquare reported in an April 30 blog post. "This is true across regions, regardless of state-specific policies."

Visits to fast food restaurants and gas stations have already returned to their pre-coronavirus baselines in rural regions, Foursquare reported. While suburban and urban areas are still below normal, those areas have seen 15 percent growth since the end of March.

Gas stations have seen a rebound too. According to Foursquare, gas station visits were down as much as 11 percent from their national averages in the early weeks of April but down only 6 percent for the week of April 24. In some parts of the country—mostly in the Midwest, where the COVID-19 outbreak has been less severe—the visits had returned to pre-coronavirus levels.

Apple's Mobility Trends, which is aggregated from Apple Maps users, shows a similar uptick in the number of requests for directions—an indicator that people are doing more than just driving around their own neighborhoods. While travel in the United States was still down 16 percent from "normal" by the end of last week, there is an undeniable upward trend, one moving faster than in other countries hit hard by COVID-19.

Hardware stores and outdoor activities like hiking trails have seen a surge in activity during the lockdown—at least outside the few states that made bizarre efforts to shut them down—as Americans use the downtime to do some home improvements or reconnect with nature.

Needless to say, a great deal of economic activity is not back to normal. Bars, casual dining restaurants, gyms, and retail shops continue to be hammered by mandatory shutdowns in many states—and by consumer reluctance too. More than 30 million Americans have applied for unemployment benefits since mid-March, and while the uptick in economic activity in the past week or two offers a glimmer of hope, there is a long way to go.

But the Foursquare and Apple data provide policymakers with some critical insights, if they are willing to look. Clearly, individuals have been weighing the risks of the coronavirus against the difficulties of the ongoing lockdowns and deciding to venture out a bit more often. That's good news for businesses that are still open, but it does nothing for those that the government has ordered to close. Those closures should be reversed as much as possible—though obviously with an eye toward social distancing and with limited capacity.

The data also show something about the nature of the shutdowns. They might have been encouraged by executive orders, but they were always ultimately driven by voluntary behavior. Well before states started issuing stay-at-home orders in the final week of March, many Americans were voluntarily self-quarantining.

Since officials had only limited influence over the beginning of the lockdown, they were always going to have limited influence over its ending. This was always unsustainable over the long term, and coronavirus policies need to be reconsidered in light of that. On the other hand, declaring states to be "open" will be meaningless unless residents feel it is safe to venture out again.

Nor is this proof that anti-lockdown protests have worked. Dozens of Americans have descended on state capitals in displays of politicized rage, but the lockdowns are coming undone mostly because millions of other people have simply started going about their lives again, at least as much as they can. They're voting with their feet—and their cars.

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  1. THROW EM IN JAIL!

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      1. That’s sort of funny, when jails and prisons are the last place I’d want to be in a pandemic.

        1. Or a nursing home.

          1. Or a hospital, for that matter–especially in an emergency room or an Intensive Care Unit!

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      2. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.” … yeah, just ignore that old piece of paper.

    1. Yea. Cuz they got a hammer and a sickle.

  2. A couple of sheriffs in Arizona have told Ducey to get fucked on his shelter in place order. Will be interesting to see how he responds to that, because he’s in a Catch-22 there. If he takes the sheriffs to court, the residents of those counties will simply say, “fuck you,” and continue disobeying the orders anyway. If he lets it go, other sheriffs will follow suit.

    These assholes overplayed their hand by doing “lockdown forever.”

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  3. In Stillwater, OK the order to wear masks in stores was rescinded because it was so routinely ignored and employees were being harassed about it.

    1. It’s so dumb. I give this bullshit like two months tops after opening before people totally disregard it. People have lived the same way their whole lives they aren’t going to change that behavior over night.

    2. It really disappoints me that people were harassing the employees and not understanding that it’s the hacks in government forcing them to do that.

      1. And yet, it worked.

        1. You see people harassing workers for requiring masks as a good thing? All the evidence, and I mean all of it, points to masks being very beneficial for getting this under control. Look at Hong Kong’s numbers for some insight on how much impact simply wearing a mask has.

          1. This, to me, is the biggest irony. If we could trust people to wear masks in public, easing of restrictions would be more than appropriate. But people are rebelling against the one simple activity that would allow for re-opening to occur. So bizarre.

            1. You missed the irony, which is that there’s no evidence that bandana wearing provides statistically significant protection against spreading the disease.

              It’s just a f-ing totem. So bizarre.

              1. Wait, you actually believe this statement? I thought it was sarcasm the first time a I read through it.

                That said, you might want to go ahead and let doctors and hospitals know what you know so that they can stop spending so much money on masks since they are apparently ineffective at preventing the spread of disease.

                1. You’re not very good an reading comprehension, are you?

                  1. Nope. I’m actually pretty good at it. Instead of deflecting, how about pointing out where I am wrong?

                    1. I was talking about fucking bandanas, not surgical masks, dipshit, so yeah, your reading comprehension sucks.

                      AS I SAID, there is NO government evidence mask requirements — which are satisfied via bandanas, dust masks, and scarves — do anything to prevent the spread of the disease. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/data-do-not-back-cloth-masks-limit-covid-19-experts-say

                      But you’re all for it anyway, because massa says you have permission to go outside if you wear one.

                      Get off your knees.

                  2. Oh, so you incorrectly read my statement of “masks” as “bandanas” and then accuse me of problems with reading comprehension. I see what you did there.

                    And what’s funny is this all started from your inability to read yet you call me a dipshit. I see that you completely lack self-awareness.

                    So, I will just go back to my initial statement that wearing masks (i.e. not bandanas like you decided to change it to) do prevent the spread of disease and simply wearing masks would make things easier to re-open.

                    Cheers for your complete non-sequiter, straw man waste of my time.

                    1. As I said, Captain Reading Incomprehension, mask requirements are almost 100% satisfied via bandanas, dust masks, and scarves, so the requirements are nothing more than security theatre. Home made masks don’t work; N95 masks don’t even work unless you know what you’re doing.

                      Your shilling for pointless face covering regulation as a condition of us being allowed out of home detention is pathetic. (When the TSA banned liquids over 3 oz did you wonder out loud why people complained? After all, we were “allowed” to fly again…)

                    2. Let’s say hypothetically we could get every American adult to vow to wear masks in public…do you actually think that those responsible for issuing stay at home orders would change a thing?

                    3. I’m with Freddy
                      Fuck your security theater and pleas for appeasement

                    4. Wow! Is it that important to be right??? Your blood pressure must be sky high!

                    5. “So, I will just go back to my initial statement that wearing masks (i.e. not bandanas like you decided to change it to) do prevent the spread of disease and simply wearing masks would make things easier to re-open.”

                      I’ll go back to my statement that YOUR health is YOUR concern, not mine.
                      Wanna keep from catching a bug? Crawl in a cave and stay there.
                      Fuck off, slaver.

                  3. So, do you just generally ignore reality or is it only when it comes to COVID-19? And do you generally run with straw man arguments? You impute on me things I have never supported. But I see that you are basically a binary thinker. I get it, complexity and nuance is tough. No worries, there are a lot of people that have your deficiencies, so you’re not alone.

                    Oh, of course facial coverings work, and proper masks especially. Even N95s are effective (heck N95s actually protect the mask wearer too). And no, masks don’t take a degree in rocket science to use, maybe for you, but not for most people.

                    1. Dude, you lost.

                    2. “So, do you just generally ignore reality or is it only when it comes to COVID-19?”

                      No, I ignore slavers. Fuck off and die.

                2. Squirrel, as far as I know from family that work in ERs, they don’t wear surgical masks when dealing with suspected Covid patients. They wear things like PAPRs, face shields, and the like. Surgical masks, bandanas, ill-fitting N95s, aren’t going to do much if anything to protect you from inhaling droplets. Maybe they prevent you from spraying droplets onto other people or surfaces? But if you’re sick, why are you going out?

                  Wearing a surgical mask is disease theater. Hell, it probably will make you sicker, given its propensity to trap moisture, thereby increasing the lifespan of whatever bug gets adsorbed onto the mask, and most lay people’s total ineptitude at donning and doffing PPE aseptically.

                3. I suppose I’m crazy wonder why full hazmat suits are worn when a simple piece of cloth is obviously sufficient.

              2. The purpose of wearing masks in public is to protect other people. The more people wear masks, whether they’re homemade or not, the more people will end up protecting each other. It’s certainly not a substitute for social distancing and staying at least 6 feet away from each other, though.

                1. It really is bizarre to me how much push-back this simple stated logic gets.

                  1. It is even more bizarre to me how many people presume your authoritarian bullshit has any validity.
                    Fuck off, slaver.

                2. “The purpose of wearing masks in public is to protect other people. The more people wear masks, whether they’re homemade or not, the more people will end up protecting each other. It’s certainly not a substitute for social distancing and staying at least 6 feet away from each other, though.”

                  It is not my job to look after YOUR health, slaver.
                  Go crawl in a cave and stay there.

                  1. I stand by everything I’ve said, Sevo. The purpose of the lockdown and the wearing of masks, and the social distancing was/and is to slow the spread of the Covid-19 virus.

                    It’s people with YOUR lousy fucked-up attitudes that put others at risk.

            2. Part of the reason is communication.

              When the virus first hit, no one was expecting answers. We just hunkered in place and waited for further instruction. And that’s exactly the right approach when dealing with an unknown threat.

              But then weeks went by. And then months went by. And answers just never came. They say, “Stay in lockdown” but they never say for how long. Then we’re told contradicting things. Wear a facemask. Don’t wear a facemask. Okay wear a facemask, but only if it’s this type of facemask.

              And then they sit there and scratch their head why people are being “stupid.” I don’t think people are being stupid. Give them some good answers, and they’ll probably be more willing to comply.

              1. “When the virus first hit, no one was expecting answers. We just hunkered in place and waited for further instruction. And that’s exactly the right approach when dealing with an unknown threat.”

                Well, if you spend you life on your knees, that’s the right approach.

          2. You’re just a straight china propaganda piece now aren’t you.

            1. Is it your thing to just make bold claims about people without actually addressing the argument they present?

              1. The argument is quite simple: You, as a fucking authoritarian piece of shit, demand everyone else look out for YOUR health.
                Stuff it up your ass; you’re worried about catching something? Crawl in a cave, stay there, and don’t bother asking me to help.
                Fuck off.

          3. And to think, wearing masks constantly is mainly an Asian thing and it still spread like wildfire. Sounds like masks aren’t a 100% guard against the Coronavirus. And I’m not wearing a mask in perpetuity because Asia.

          4. “”You see people harassing workers for requiring masks as a good thing?””

            Not when there is no medical reason to wear one.

            Regular masks, and cloth masks do not work as PPE (personal protective Equipment). If you are not sick, or have it and are not symptomatic (anything that produces droplets) the mask does nothing.

            There is no reason to force healthy people to wear masks.

          5. Bunkum. The vast majority of what I see slapped against people’s mugs out in public are worthless or worse in terms of preventing the spread of this disease. Even the N 95″surgical mask” is ineffective in this situation. They are called “surgicalmasks” because they are designed for use by surgery personnel WHILE operatiing on a patient. They do not keep the staff sterile, they prevent their breath from wafting over the patient whist cut upon and thereby infecting them IF the staff member is contagious. The vast majority of pathogens being protected against are backterial.. which the N 95’s do pretty well at catching. Virus? Whole nuther critter.

            But I see very few of those in public. Most of what I see are either useless homemade things, or the handy,an’s dust mask….. almost might as well go barefaced. My beard protects me better than those will protect anyone, including me.

            The help at those stores got the flak because they are the ONLY visible sentient being the customers see. If some gummit dweebs were manning the waitlines THEY would have been in the proper place to catch the well-deserved flak. In either case, the case was carried. We can only hope that at least some of the less “sensitive” staff have left off their whinge about being “hurt” and will wake up to the folly of their ssigned task to “keep people safe” which task NEVER has fallen to government, despite all their NewSpeak to the contrary.
            When I start tosee MY governor out there face to face with the public he is tormenting instead of hiding in his posh digs I pay for I might feel a tad differently about this whole charade.

          6. I took it as the karens were reporting other customers to the workers.

          7. De Oppresso Liber
            May.4.2020 at 1:31 pm
            “…All the evidence, and I mean all of it, points to masks being very beneficial for getting this under control…”

            So what?

      2. If you’re enforcing the diktat then you get the harassment for enforcing the diktat.

        ‘I was just following orders’ is not a defense.

        1. Because asking people to please put masks on before coming into the store is exactly like forcing Jews onto trains to Auschwitz.

          1. “Because asking people to please put masks on before coming into the store is exactly like forcing Jews onto trains to Auschwitz.”

            No, but asking people to put on masks is adking THEM to look out for YOUR health.
            Fuck off, slaver.

      3. You can understand that it’s the government’s fault while still being angry at the private citizens who unquestioningly enforce it. You can even see it as a deliberate tactic to increase pressure and push people off the fence – to get even more people complaining about the unreasonable and arbitrary rules of these government hacks.

        1. citizens who unquestioningly enforce it.

          THIS RIGHT HERE

          If I had a job clearing folks into the store and it mandated I holler at folks for walking in barefaced, I’d either find a different job, let those seeminglh convinced they do NOT need the stupid mask, perhaps have a chat with my manager, and his…. and make sure I holler at the governator or other gummit poohbah to wise up…… it remains MY decision to stand there ahd harrass folks. The “Nürenberg Defense” did not cut it in 1947, it does not cut it in 2020.

          1. Because people who holler at folks for walking in barefaced are just like Hans Frank.

    3. I notice a lot of news sources have misunderstood the situation in Stillwater. The main problem is that the mask requirement came suddenly with no warning. Most people in the area, including me, never even heard about the new requirement to wear masks until after the mayor had already suspended it.

      And this happened on the same day that most businesses were being allowed to reopen in Oklahoma, something which had been announced well ahead of time.

      So what happened was that all these people were going out to various stores under the impression that rules were being relaxed, and then suddenly being told they were not allowed to enter, because of orders from the mayor, orders which they’d never even heard about.

      1. that makes it a lot more understandable

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  5. We know how to safely reopen: social distancing, masks, cleaning, testing, and contact tracing. But we (the right wing nuts and everyone else to chicken to stop them) as a country have decided to reopen without doing those, so we will have to suffer the consequences. Those will be a deeper economic depression and more infections and deaths.

    1. Fear is the mind killer. Stop being afraid.

      1. Fear can only be the mind killer, if you HAVE a mind. A lot of people should be safe.

    2. Stay home then.

    3. What fantasy world do you live in where contract tracing is possible with this many asymptomatic cases and gestation time by a country that can’t even wipe it’s ass politically without stepping on a rake?

      1. I live in the fantasy world where the US can take the same measures as other countries such as Vietnam and Taiwan.

        1. Thinking we can replicate the success those countries have had in Trace Testing is quite a fantasy given the stage we are at in penetration and case load. This isn’t a fucking movie, it’s real life our gov isn’t remotely capable of trace testing given previous limitations of civil rights(hiv/aids lawsuits) and given what are gov core competency actually is(janitor cleaning up a mess after it happens) and the % of asymptomatic cases this thing has.

        2. Yay! Just like a communist dictatorship. Probably what you’ve always wanted.

        3. And South Korea. And Germany.

          1. Neither one of those countries has been shy about cracking down on their citizens when they felt it necessary.

      2. Yet, you notice that the government is still going ahead with contact tracing like we haven’t learned anything in the last two weeks.

        I guess they have been weeks behind the curve at every single point, why stop now?

    4. What planet do you live on? No one is “reopening” without precautions. No one. Business owners have this crazy thing where we don’t want our customers to get sick.

      1. We don’t have an adequate testing program in this country, we are not doing contact tracing, and we are lax on everything else.

        1. We will never have an adequate testing program in this country grow the fuck up. We can’t force people against there will to get tested and contact tracing at this spread rate is impossible that train has already left the station.

          1. Might as well wish for a fucking unicorn or a duck that lays golden eggs while we are dreaming.

          2. “We will never have an adequate testing program in this country grow the fuck up”

            And yet, other countries have adequate testing. Why are you so cynical? Trump says we will have capacity for 5 million tests per day “very soon”. And that was a few days ago, so we might have it already!

            1. I meant to throw “” around adequate. His definition of adequate and mine are quite a bit different.

            2. 5 million tests per day for a population of over 300 million? Cool. Who’s paying for them?

              1. Whose taking them, is my question. Missing from this conversation is the actual amount of testing people would A) be willing to do or B) go out of their way to voluntary take.

            3. The coronavirus test involves jamming a swab up to the back of your nasal passage. Not many asymptomatic people are going to voluntarily subject themselves to it once, let alone on a regular basis.

            4. And how do you line up the people to take the tests, by a gun? Just admit you’re an authoritarian at this point DoL. The visage crumbled long ago.

              1. His screen name IS horribly ironic.

            5. I wonder how many are getting infected by going to get tested? We all know medical professionals do not make mistakes, right?

            6. De Oppresso Liber
              May.4.2020 at 1:33 pm
              “…And yet, other countries have adequate testing…”

              Please move there and leave us alone, slaver.

          3. One has to bear in mind, however, that Donald Trump knew about the Covid-19 virus back in late January of this year, and he refused to do anything about it. Moreover, the fact that he got rid of the government’s office of medical experts/doctors who made up the anti-pandemic organization that would’ve helped contain Covid-19 b before it got this bad also helped make an already-bad situation worse.

            No–I’m not saying that Donald Trump got us into this Covid-19 crisis, but he did make it a hell of a lot worse than it could’ve/would’ve been.

            1. “One has to bear in mind, however, that Donald Trump knew about the Covid-19 virus back in late January of this year, and he refused to do anything about it.”

              On 29th February of this year, Dr. Fauci was on the Today Show telling America that there was no need to change day-to-day activities and that the risks were (at that time) low. [Thanks to JesseAZ for pointing this one out.] Do you imagine Fauci was advising Trump differently a full month prior to that? If so, what evidence do you have that Fauci, an obvious fan of the precautionary principle, would steer the public so wrongly?

              “Moreover, the fact that he got rid of the government’s office of medical experts/doctors who made up the anti-pandemic organization that would’ve helped contain Covid-19 b before it got this bad also helped make an already-bad situation worse.”

              Several posters here persist in posting that myth, though it’s the first time I recall seeing it from you, so I assume you just didn’t know that it’s false: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/16/no-white-house-didnt-dissolve-its-pandemic-response-office/

              “No–I’m not saying that Donald Trump got us into this Covid-19 crisis, but he did make it a hell of a lot worse than it could’ve/would’ve been.”

              He has undoubtedly made mistakes, and I think it’s clear he simply lacks the ability to speak consistently about it (and most matters), but let’s criticize the administration on the basis of facts, not media narratives.

            2. “Moreover, the fact that he got rid of the government’s office of medical experts/doctors who made up the anti-pandemic organization that would’ve helped contain Covid-19 b before it got this bad also helped make an already-bad situation worse.”

              So what the fuck is the Center for Disease Control for? Oh yeah, I forgot, guns and vaping. how many task forces, centers, agencies, etc. do we need supposedly doing the same damned thing? Due to the obvious prevalence of mission creep among these various agencies or whatever you want to call them, the pandemic task force would probably be trying to ban sugar now if they were still around.

        2. You don’t need a testing program. What’s it going to tell you? 99.8% of people who get Wuflu recover. Almost half never even know they were sick. The same people who are at risk from seasonal flu are at risk of everything else, including Chinese Lung AIDS. Nothing has changed from a year ago except the amount of pants-shitting and authoritarian daydreaming you’re doing. There’s no cure and no vaccine and probably never will be, and the treatment for viruses is to manage the symptoms. What the fuck would be the point of making everyone take a test even if it were constitutional, which it is not?

        3. So? Look at the infection rates here, and the percentage that hav NO symptoms, or very mild ones that likly will not point to ChinaFlu.
          I do NOT want the snot=check, I want the blood antibody test. I want to KNOW I’ve had it and thus can NOT get it again nor can I transmit it to someone else. My body will be proven to have beaten this thing and I’msafe.

          THIS is the test we need, and Team Fauci oppose that one Partly because it WILL mess up his numbers. Far more people have had it and recovered (thus have the antibodies in their blood) which Fauci does not want to be widel known.. because it will poke a big pin into the large ballon he’s been floating that the fatality rates are still huge. His original scaremonger predictions are already wild by a factor of ten, perhaps a hundred. Accurate and widespread antibody testing may have him off by a factor of 10 to the 3rd power.

          But the bottom line is this: 98% of the general population are NOT susceptible to this virus/disease. Why do WE all have to slap those useless chunks of whatever across our mugs to exercise our RIGHT to freely assemble? And/or to seek redress of our many grievances? Riddle me THAT one and I’ll shut up and go away. Until then, I’d recommend you can your silly picky whinge on the matter of unmasked folks in public.

    5. Get up off of your knees.

    6. And revise your despise so impending
      Cause I soak on the wrath that you didn’t quite mask

      Can’t this wait ’til I’m old
      Can’t I live while I’m young?

    7. Well all the more reason for states to get their asses in gear. Contact tracing cannot and will not be done from the Federal Level unless you want a one size fits all kabuki theatre to rival the TSA. The CDC has provided significant guidance to states on how to do this, and now it is time for states to get off their asses and get to work. And each state can figure out a solution that meets their needs.

      1. And a valid solution for many/most will be doing nothing at all…

    8. You are not in any danger if you stay home and protect yourself in whatever way you feel comfortable when you go out.

    9. MollyGodiva
      May.4.2020 at 12:20 pm
      “We know how to safely reopen:..”

      Yes, we do.
      Tell fucking slavers, with their ‘planned economies’ to fuck off and die.
      Fucking slavers like you.

  6. Get ready for Prohibition 2.0 as Puritan Governers yank liquor licenses of non-compliers. Something they’re itching to do anyways.

    1. Don’t forget code violations.

    2. Shutting down liquor sales would have caused all the pants-shitting wine moms to begin screeching for an immediate end to the shelter in place orders.

    3. Sure, shut down the liquor stores and bars. And watch the massive hole in state revenues.

  7. A significant minority will continue to cower in place until a vaccine is developed. As one told me “If these selfish bastards want to die, then they can go ahead. But I’m not joining them.” Fine with me, one is free to be a hermit but not free to impose hermitage on everyone else.

    1. They won’t, eventually even the karens will leave their houses sooner than you think. Life will go on.

      1. Of course they will, can’t be busy body and stick your nose in other people’s business if your locked up.

      2. Karens leave home all the time so that they can snitch on everyone else and feel self important about who they snitched on while drinking the wine they got while out

    2. ” Fine with me, one is free to be a hermit but not free to impose hermitage on everyone else.”

      Exactly. When my county “opens” next week, I will probably still be pretty much of a hermit, at least until I get more data, even though we only have a handful of cases here. Why? Because I am in the “high-risk” group. But, also, because, being retired, it is ridiculously easy for me to limit my “excursions” to downtown. It is no hardship on me to have stuff delivered.

      Except the beach. I am hankering to get to the beach, especially now that it is warming up.

      1. I don’t think the problem is the people that should be restricting their movement for real preexisting condition dangers. It’s the hysteria of people who should have next to no reason to fear statistically yet are cowering and pissing their pants at the thought of venturing outside to go back to work. we should be doing everything we can for people in your’re circumstance who can’t afford to stay home and in order to be in a position to do that the pants wetters have to get their ass in gear.

    3. Retired, financially secure boomers *should* be encouraged to hunker down if they want to. They are the ones at risk and have the least to lose by ordering food delivery and getting drunk over Zoom chats for the next couple months.

      1. Or, they should be allowed to do as they please.

        1. Or *WE* should be allowed to do as we please, regardless of the whinings of the cowardly lefty piece of shit Hihn.

    4. “A significant minority will continue to cower in place until a vaccine is developed.”

      What’s really weird is the number of people shouting, “stay the f*#! home,” who are simultaneously saying (in other threads that mention a vaccine), “hell no I’m not taking that.”

      I’m puzzled by this. What exactly do they think is going to be accomplished by limiting the average person’s movements to only the occasional trip to Walmart, Lowes, etc? Except, of course, to slow it down enough to not overwhelm hospitals, which was supposed to be the only purpose of the shutdowns anyway. Hospitals aren’t overwhelmed, so now what? Stay locked down until when? This global virus isn’t going to magically vanish. A vaccine could still be a year or two away, and many/most won’t take it anyway. Heck, only about a third of adults 18-49 take the flu shot, and only two-thirds of 65+ take it (and they are the overwhelming majority of the 30-60 thousand people who die from it every year).

      If over half of all adults won’t take the flu shot, and a third of the people who are most at risk of dying won’t take it, then why would a hypothetical covid vaccine be any different?

      1. One never knows, because it’s a known fact that the Covid-19 virus is a hell of a lot more contagious–and more deadly than the ordinary seasonal flu that comes every year.

        1. If you’re under 60 and not immune-compromised, it’s about twice as fatal as influenza in a bad flu year. Anyone who didn’t cower-in-place every even-numbered day during the 2017-18 flu season, has no rational reason to behave like a hermit now.

          This got way overblown at the start because the media sold the fear provoked by Niel Ferguson’s inexcusably bad modeling, a long-standing habit for him.

          1. “This got way overblown at the start because the media sold the fear provoked by Niel Ferguson’s inexcusably bad modeling, a long-standing habit for him.”

            Let’s not forget the reports of central China going completely, utterly, 100 percent retard in trying to close off a city about the size of the NYC metropolitan area. Then expanding that by a order of magnitude. Watching Chinese Army folk weld people into buildings, and then bring them food in a bucket, would cause most observers to freak out.

            (My guess is they knew they had a leak of some respiratory bug in mid-October to early-November and thought it might be due to one of their labs in Wuhan, When their version of the OIG showed up at the BSL-4 lab, and started inventory of their biological materials, what they found—shitty recordkeeping, a lack of internal controls, who knows?—scared the shit out of the Party heads. Because they didn’t know what got out, but what it could have been was a hell of a lot nastier than some R0 2.5-ish Cv with a CFR under half a percent, that showed up here. So they panicked. I wonder what they thought the lab spilled?)

            1. Interesting idea in that last paragraph. I hadn’t considered a scenario like that.

              Regarding the extreme lockdown in Wuhan, and Hubei a few days later, most people in the US weren’t aware of it at the time, so I have doubts about how much that fed fear here. I have colleagues and friends with family or other contacts there, and the stories were so bad, I would have been dismissive if they had come from unknown sources. I’m sure there was some observer bias, but even so, the stories were insane, e.g. weekly soldier escort to the market for necessities. The armed escorts weren’t there to protect those being escorted, they were there to beat/arrest/shoot any who strayed.

              1. I wish there were an edit button…

                By “most people in the US weren’t aware of it at the time”, I meant to write that Americans weren’t aware of the extreme measures, not the lockdowns.

                1. Agree with you that most people in the States were unaware of what was going on in China. (Present company in the comments section here excepted.) But the guys making epidemiological models and crafting potential public health responses were. Helped in no small measure by that Gates Foundation pandemic 2019 exercise which involved a deadlier coronavirus than this one.

                  When the first known public cases started showing up in Washington, those guys, the modelers, emergency response chairs, public health directors, were all ready to start feeding media press releases. Those releases were about how deadly this thing was going to be if people didn’t listen to the bureaucrats, and cede them anything they asked for.

              2. Some I know were praising China’s lockdown. I never knew I was living among slavers until this Chinese plague happened.

            2. From what I read this morning on some website, I don’t remember which (so, yes, it could have been crap), the Chinese having been sealing people in apartments alive, and not bothering with the bucket of food.

        2. “One never knows, because it’s a known fact that the Covid-19 virus is a hell of a lot more contagious–and more deadly than the ordinary seasonal flu that comes every year.”

          No, it isn’t, chicken little.

    5. ‘I deserve a virus free life!’
      -Some crank on Twitter

      Doesn’t know there are 200,000+ viruses.

    6. I’ve said this to my cowering friends: Stay inside. Just realize that nimble, unafraid people are ready willing and able to fill your space, and you have no right to monetary support as a result.

      I have until recently been very pessimistic about our ability to survive as a society and economy because of this nonsense, but then I remember that there are plenty of entrepreneurial spirits out there who see this as an opportunity and we might be better for it.

  8. Semi-O/T – Delaware County PA’s health commissioner was just on TV, saying that 20% of cases and 70% of fatalities are in nursing homes.

    I’m gonna put me shocked face on. As soon as i sterilize it and don gloves, of course.

    1. Just be sure not to actually TOUCH your shocked face – – – – – – – – – – – –

  9. In Texas, restaurants were allowed to open Friday at 25%.

    My wife and I went to a little place on Friday. While we were there, it probably got to about 80% full, without a mask in sight. And I was like fuck yeah! the people are done. It won’t be long now.

    1. It’s a matter of the first couple of swimmers getting back in the water people seeing that and people will come back in faster than most think.

      1. Here in suburban Houston, I’ve always been doing my regular weekend stuff like going to Lowes. Never once did I see less than normal busy.

        1. When half the stores in town are forced to be closed, the ones that are allowed to stay open are likely to get more business.

          1. But the Ds “hate” the kkkorporashuns!

            1. Makes me want to rip my hair out.

        2. I’m in a Houston suburb, the big stores are still busy, but you see the devastation in all the little strip centers with nail salon, donut store, tattoo parlor, Gym, vape store, dry cleaners, and Mexican restaurant. Those are empty.

          1. Absolutely, and it breaks my heart to see those places closed. Fuck the politicians and the destruction they cause.

    2. I took my 14-year old that hadn’t left the house in a month to Waffle House and Walmart on Friday. We are working on building up immunity. We are both healthy. Bring it on.

      1. Agreed. I and my daughters are low risk. I don’t think any of us has had the flu in 15 years, and we don’t get the flu shot most years. I want to get it and be done with it, and that’s assuming that we haven’t already had it.

    3. Why would anyone want to wear a mask going to a restaurant anyways? Take it off put it back on to eat. Take it off and put it back on to drink?

      1. Wear a chemical warfare face mask? The ones with a drinking tube screwed into the front of the mask? Now that would freak people out.

        It’s just so silly.

  10. declaring states to be “open” will be meaningless unless residents feel it is safe to venture out again.

    “BWAHAHAHAAA!!”

    1. So declaring a lock down was meaningless as well?

  11. “Displays of politicized rage”? What the fuck protests were you looking at? Those people in Michigan were rightfully annoyed and irritated, but if you think that’s “rage” then you’re going to be unpleasantly surprised some day. Of course they weren’t wearing masks at the protest. Why the hell would they comply with the very thing they’re objecting to? If you’re in a vulnerable group feel free to wear a badge of retardation, because that’s all that has to happen to protect yourself. Forcing everyone else to wear a mask or anything else is just arbitrary, illegal bullshit.

    1. The purpose of masks is to protect other people, especially people who are more vulnerable to the Covid-19 virus. Many young adults and college students who went on spring break to Florida and other places this year were told not to return home to their parents’ or grandparents’ houses, even to visit, because they could cause either their parents or their grandparents, or even a vulnerable younger family member to get seriously ill and die from the Covid-19 virus. That’s perfectly legitimate, imho.

      1. The best way for vulnerable people to protect themselves would be to stay home and refuse visits from those who may be infected.
        Putting the entire country under house arrest was irrational and totalitarian

        1. Exactly this. We did everything backward and will pay the price for decades.

  12. I want to see more protests. I want Karen Wil Wheton’s head to explode from seeing all the non conformists flouting their freedom while his kind cowers in fear.

    What I really want is every democrat to get kicked out of office. Clearly they are the real virus here.

    1. It’s apparent that most of the D governors are extending the economic pain, some for genuine (if misguided) reasons, others purely for the power and/or perceived political gain.

      Nationally, the Ds are going to do everything they can to make as much of this Trump’s fault as they possibly can. Schiff or Nadler (can’t remember which) has already decided to start an inquiry. I suspect some D governors are playing into this, whether knowingly or obliviously.

      However, R governors are mostly opening their states earlier. At this point, I’m guessing that there will not be a statistically meaningful difference in ongoing death tolls across states regardless of re-opening schedule, due to the penetration COVID-19 has already made (perhaps 15% to 25%) into the general population. So, I predict that there’s not likely to be significant blowback from opening early, though the media will spin it whichever ways it wants (MSNBC will shill every death for the Karens, FNC will minimize them for the Bubbas).

      So, what will we end up with? Most red states will be getting at least a 4-week head start on economic recovery compared to most blue states. And who are the blue state voters going to blame when the death rates aren’t much different, but they’ve lost even more jobs and small businesses than their red state neighbors?

      I think the Ds have once again overplayed their hands out of desperation to take down Trump, instead of making dispassionate, objectively strategic political decisions. They’re up against a Republican President who should be easier to defeat than any president in living memory (even Carter and probably Ford). And they’re going to lose. Again. And I can’t imagine how much they’re going to completely lose their shit this time. AOC’s head might explode (an unqualified upside).

      1. “I think the Ds have once again overplayed their hands out of desperation to take down Trump, instead of making dispassionate, objectively strategic political decisions. They’re up against a Republican President who should be easier to defeat than any president in living memory (even Carter and probably Ford). And they’re going to lose. Again. And I can’t imagine how much they’re going to completely lose their shit this time. AOC’s head might explode (an unqualified upside).”

        Willie Brown had a column this weekend claiming the D’s were ‘looking out for your health’, while the R’s were ‘looking out for your wealth’, and positing that even if you accept that steaming pile of shit, the D’s were gonna lose (and I think he believes it).
        He is full of shit: The D’s are trying to extend the ‘problem’ by controlling what you do and when you do it in the hopes of defeating Trump, with the probably unwitting cooperation of most of the media.
        The R’s are trying to let you run your own life, even if there are risks involved.
        I think the D’s are going to lose for that reason.

    2. Or that diminutive little fatass Patton Oswalt. Who by the looks of him has had more than his share of ‘Fuddruckers’ in the last few years.

  13. You won’t keep people locked up in their houses with the warmer spring/summer weather. All the stay home orders are doing right now is concentrating people in the big box store. Target, Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes, and Menards are all packed with people. There are more people in their greenhouses. There are more people waiting in line to get into the stores, pay, and outside in the greenhouse areas. We already did that in winter with the grocery stores, and it is not working. So much for social distancing. The government doesn’t have enough jails to lock everyone up, and locking people up defeats the purpose of social distancing anyway.

  14. Stay at home orders are unconstitutional anyway. You are essentially placing people under house arrest. That is a violation of the Fifth Amendment. You cannot deprive someone of the life, liberty or property without due process. I don’t remember having a hearing on that, do you? State law (or non-law executive orders) do not supersede the Constitution. The Arizona sheriffs are right to ignore the governor’s order.

  15. Oregon’s has been extended to July 6th!

    1. AFTER the 4th of July weekend? As though a couple more days will make a difference? That’s spectacularly retarded.

      1. Here in Toronto, Canada our national holiday has already been cancelled. The mayor John ‘waffle’ Tory is even calling for the ‘Santa Claus parade’ to be cancelled. The parade is in November for crying out loud. Beware of pols using the phrase ‘in the name of an abidance of caution.’

        1. “Flattening the curve” was a lie from the get-go. I knew it then, and I’m even more certain now.

      2. I’m sure the logic is to deter Fourth of July gatherings.

  16. Chicago has a lot of people. Is Lightfoot ready for an extra hundred thousand in her jails?

  17. The protests and other growing unease do seem to be having some impact. Newsom last week put California back in timeout because he thought to many people went to the beach. Today he backed off. Whitmer also seems to be walking back a little.

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  19. I don’t actually believe, outside of a handful of protests, that the natives are restless. The news is pushing a narrative of fear—that we are now facing a second wave that could double deaths by the end of June—and the television is likewise filled with local health departments telling people to stay inside, it’s the right thing to do.

    No one is challenging these narratives, even though I read nearly every day of another epidemiologist, biologist, or scientist railing against the so-called effectiveness of the lockdowns. No major news outlet is giving these guys airtime.

    We’ve scared the average American half to death and they believe the mainstream narrative. States can “open” all they want. But until we counter the narrative en masse, we’ll remain in this bizarre half state of existence.

    1. If it bleeds, it leads. Don Henley wrote a song lambasting the news media and this was in the 1980’s.

  20. I liked the heading of this article, but it lacked the punch it promised. Felt like a bit of clickbait.
    There are more en mass protesters out there ignoring the lockdowns, and the brave ones are on tv and in court fighting for the principles that just because the govt says you are forbidden to leave your home or run your business, doesn’t make it legal.

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  22. Sweden seems to have had the most libertarian response to covid-19. Ban large gatherings. Advise people at risk to stay in. But otherwise let stuff happen. Even the elementary schools were in session.

  23. It is honestly ridiculous, that albeit the Dems are forcing people to stay confined, they don’t want the economic reliefs to happen. This just speaks volumes about where the priorities stand. Personally I’m done with staying home, for what? To die of starvation instead? People needs to work. Whether these people like it or not.

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