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Criticize the Michigan Protesters for Crowding Into a Building Without Masks On, Not for Peacefully Carrying Weapons

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Michigan legislators passed a bill yesterday afternoon that said they can sue Gov. Gretchen Whitmer if she extends shutdown orders beyond May 15. Last night, the Democratic governor did in fact issue an executive order extending the shutdown to May 28and promised to veto any attempt to limit her authority to do so.

"The governor will not sign any bills that constrain her ability to protect the people of Michigan from this deadly virus in a timely manner," said Whitmer's office in a Thursday evening statement. "The governor intends to veto this bill when presented to her."

This follows a raucous day at the Michigan state capitol.

Michigan residents rallying there yesterdaythe latest in a series of cross-country protests against restrictive lockdown policies—once again saw the most outrageous or worst elements get highlighted as representative of the whole lot.

It's not entirely the media's fault. These folks mean to attract attention. They're eager to talk to reporters. And they're often initially shared in social media photos not by professional reporters but by others attending (or counterprotesting) the rally. Pictures of normie-looking people quietly exercising their rights don't tend to go viral. And while many local news accounts of protests have been thorough, balanced, and nuanced, it's always the wildest quote or character from these accounts that capture public attention even before cable news programs and the culture war's digital aggregators get their hands on them.

Still, the latest spectacle in Michigan has proven a particularly ripe target for sensationalized press. You see, some protesters were armed. Visibly armed. (Concealed carry is banned on the capitol grounds, so visibly armed is the only way there to be legally armed.) No guns were discharged, and there were no reports of people carrying illegal weapons. Yet the firearms seem to have garnered more visceral horror and public condemnation than the legitimate public health problem posed by maskless protesters crowding into buildings and shouting up close in each other's and staff's faces.

The "American Patriot Rally" started outside, reported Craig Mauger of The Detroit News, who was there throughout the day. But protesters were let into the capitol lobby, where they began chanting "let us in" after they were denied entry to the closed legislative chamber.

Armed "gunmen" did not "storm" the capital in a threatening manner, a claim that was making the rounds online for a bit yesterday, nor were police required to protect Whitmer from them. Only one person was arrested yesterday, police told Mauger—and that was for ripping a flag out of someone else's hands.

Whitmer spokesperson Tiffany Brown in a statement said yesterday that "it's disappointing to see people congregating without masks, and without practicing social distancing. This kind of activity will put more people at risk, and it could mean that more people will die."

She's right. Regardless of whether Michigan's shutdown orders go too far, protesters will lose some public sympathy and some moral high ground when they move unnecessarily put others at risk in those ways.

But the state shares a good deal of blame here, even putting aside larger shutdown-oriented battles. They could, after all, have offered to let the protesters enter the building in an orderly and public-health-friendly fashion. They could have let protesters who were taking the proper precautions go further into the building and make themselves heard before their elected officials.

At the very least, they could have issued state police and capital staff better protective gear.

Inside the closed legislature, Michigan state lawmakers were debating whether to extend a state-of-emergency declaration. The state of emergency declaration is separate from Whitmer's shelter-in-place order, which is ostensibly what people were rallying against.

In addition, a resolution was introduced "authorizing the Speaker of the House to commence legal action on behalf of the House of Representatives challenging the Governor's authority and actions during the COVID-19 pandemic." It was adopted by a voice vote, as was a similar resolution in the state Senate.

The resolutions (Senate Resolution 114 and House Resolution 250) would have to be approved by Gov. Whitmer, who said she would veto "any bills that constrain her ability to protect the people of Michigan from this deadly virus."

Michigan Advance notes that "Whitmer's office maintains she holds legal authority to continue her emergency orders without the Legislature's approval under the Constitution and the Emergency Powers of Governor Act."

Outside the legislature yesterday, some of those carrying guns talked to local reporters and sounded far from the crazed maniacs they've been portrayed as:

As to why some protesters were carrying guns Thursday, John Parkinson, 47, of Macomb Township, said his weapon is like a piece of clothing to him, and he carries it for personal protection.

"It is our constitutional right," he said. "It is not that we are trying to say, 'Look at me. Look at me.' This is what we do. This is how we do things. This is our way of life. I openly carry my handgun daily."

Unfortunately, freakouts over people peacefully exercising their rights—and the antics of an irresponsible segment among the protesters—distract from the reasonable and real issues being addressed by many ralliers and stay-at-home supporters of lifting lockdown orders to at least some degree.

It's not a choice between total lockdown and utter inaction, as Reason's Shika Dalmia writes at The Week. "We need more targeted approaches to contain high-risk activities and protect high-risk populations while giving ordinary Americans more—not less—freedom to figure out when and how they want to return to work and some semblance of normal life."


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  • In a Friday morning appearance on Morning Joe, Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden addressed Tara Reade's sexual assault allegation against him. "No. It is not true. I'm saying unequivocally it never happened," said Biden.
  • Nick Gillespie interviews Rep. Justin Amash (L–Mich.) about a range of things, including the sexual assault allegations against both President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden. "When asked if he could state that he has never assaulted or behaved improperly toward anyone, Amash said, 'Yes, I can say that definitively.'"

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  1. “[I] was thinking about the beaches and the sort of symbolism of the beaches. And remember when you were a kid and you would go to the beach, and there was a beach sign, and it just said one thing on it? ‘Closed Midnight to 5 A.M.’ And every year, they started adding something to the sign — No frisbee. No dogs. No Beer. No smoking. Well, now it’s ‘No Beach.’”

    “[T]he sign is a metaphor for big government. Nothing ever gets taken off the sign. Something gets added to the sign every time.”

    1. Agreed.

      And speaking of beaches and only somewhat OT:

      I just happened to listen to JImmy Buffet’s “Biloxi”. It captures the magic of the beach when you are a kid. Give it a listen.

        1. +400 billion

    2. Hello.

      “…Whitmer spokesperson Tiffany Brown in a statement said yesterday that “it’s disappointing to see people congregating without masks, and without practicing social distancing. This kind of activity will put more people at risk, and it could mean that more people will die.”

      She’s right. Regardless of whether Michigan’s shutdown orders go too far, protesters will lose some public sympathy and some moral high ground when they move unnecessarily put others at risk in those ways.”

      There aren’t enough face palms in the world anymore.

      We truly are gargantuan nations of useless idiots and pussies now.

      We’re all Moist now.

      1. We truly are gargantuan nations of useless idiots and pussies now.

        We’re all Moist now.

        Nyuck. Nyuck. Nyuck.

        1. Yeah, pretty sweet. So I guess we’re moist & sweet.

      2. “Whitmer spokesperson Tiffany Brown in a statement said yesterday that “it’s disappointing to see people congregating without masks, and without practicing social distancing. This kind of activity will put more people at risk, and it could mean that more people will die.”

        This is almost word for word what the Harris County Judge (think Mayor of an entire county—Texas can be weird) has said in her recent public statements. Also a Democrat. Yay straight-ticket voting!

        Anyway, they’re all reading from the same playbook. The Mayor of Houston (also a Democrat, and has been one since the beginning of time.) isn’t opening up city property until the end of May. Not enough small businesses have gone under yet, I guess.

        This hasn’t been about public health, or stopping a virus, for a long time.

        1. I agree, it’s not about public health. It’s about solving Social Security insolvency, the housing crisis, and environmental degradation in one fell swoop!

          I say: stop making ventilators and any other medical equipment. Let ’em all die, clean out the garbage, start fresh. Don’t even bury them individually, just dig a big trench. This whole place is too over crowded as it is.

      3. Has ENB changed her name to Karen?

  2. “When asked if he could state that he has never assaulted or behaved improperly toward anyone, Amash said, ‘Yes, I can say that definitively.'”

    So he’s just like Biden.

    1. So he’s just like Biden the devil!

    2. Dreamy = Trustworthy.

  3. “My decision for reopening my business is based mainly on the evidence that I cannot trust the word of our government. In addition to lack of substance to the promises made there seems to be a major disconnect between what actually IS available and what is being broadcast.”
    https://hairendipityvacaville.com/covid-19

      1. Good for them. I hope more California businesses follow along.

  4. The governor will not sign any bills that constrain her ability to protect the people of Michigan from this deadly virus in a timely manner…

    …she ranted from her bunker.

    1. She is the decider.

  5. “At risk” for not wearing masks.
    I didn’t see any 85 year olds there.

    1. Not sure of the exact number of people who ‘stormed’ the capital, but likely more than a few are probably at risk by not having undergone bypass surgery.

      Probably a few malignant growths that are less than a decade away from killing them too.

      1. Those are exacerbating factors for coronavirus.

  6. “No. It is not true. I’m saying unequivocally it never happened,” said Biden.

    Now we can hang the banner: THESE ALLEGATIONS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED

    1. Here, smell my finger.

    2. Now we can hang the banner: THESE ALLEGATIONS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED

      I need to see his date book so I can dismiss him as a senile idiot who used to be a nerdy drunk that kept a date book.

    3. In Bidens defense he probably doesn’t remember so legally he is cleared

  7. https://hectordrummond.com/2020/03/30/soap-opera-science/

    Here’s a remarkable story that no-one in the media or social media has picked up on (although you can bet that everyone in the field knows).

    So we have two epidemiological teams, one at Imperial, and one at Oxford, with differing ideas about Covid-19.

    …Secondly, he had allegedly publicly claimed that a woman in the Zoology department was only appointed to a Readership (ie. above Senior Lecturer but below Professor), after her five-year Fellowship ended, because she had slept with the head of department, who was on the appointing committee. There were also allegations that he had been a bit of a bully, but his allegation against this lecturer was the main problem, and it got him suspended for two months. In the end he decided to leave for Imperial, which offered him a very good position. He took many of his team with him, including Neil Ferguson.

    I should stress that I have no idea whether any of these allegations, on either side, are true, although I note that the woman won her legal case against Anderson. Yes, it actually went to court, and it was a big deal at Oxford, it wasn’t just a little inter-departmental spat. What I am pointing out is the soap-opera nature of the whole thing. This sort of thing is not at all rare in University science departments (and other departments too), and sometimes it’s worse in the more high-powered ones.

    The crowning glory in this story, though, is this. Who was the woman who Anderson allegedly accused of sleeping her way into an Oxford Readership? Her name was … Sunetra Gupta. Who is now the head of the Oxford team engaged in the bitter struggle against the Imperial team that Anderson set up, and which is still run by his protege, Neil Ferguson.

  8. “promised to veto any attempt to limit her authority to do so.”

    Isn’t that why we have impeachment?

    1. I think it’s also why those guys have rifles.

    2. Recall is faster.
      Publicly boycotting the state lottery until she resigns is more effective.
      Not really giving a damn is more likely.

    3. No, it’s why legislatures can override a veto with a supermajority.

    4. I’m wondering which will happen first, her getting thrown out by the legislature, or her getting thrown out by the mob.

  9. “When asked if he could state that he has never assaulted or behaved improperly toward anyone, Amash said, ‘Yes, I can say that definitively.'”

    The bar has been set.

    1. That was the sound of the starter pistol for MSNBC and Vox “reporters” to find someone – anyone – who will make at least a semi-credible public accusation against Amash, solely because there’s the possibility that he might “steal” some Bernie Bro voters who have resigned themselves to voting for Biden instead of staying home.

  10. How the Spanish flu of 1918 “almost upended women’s suffrage.”

    Fingers crossed, am I right, fellas?

    1. It’s high time to end women’s suffrage. Haven’t they suffraged enough?

      1. Too late. They will never go back to just being equal.

    2. If women’s suffrage was up to vote now I might be tempted to vote no givin the amount of lectures I’ve gotten from them in the last two weeks for not wearing a mask at the grocery store. It was only once, but it was enough.

      1. The Panamaians with their ‘Men/Women:Odd/Even’ arrangement are laughing at us.

      2. You should wear a mask at the grocery store. Don’t be a dick.

        1. Why Chipper? S/he’s not sick. If s/he’s sick, s/he should stay home.

          Most improperly worn masks like the ones everybody’s wearing, actually are going to make the wearer sicker: the mask stays moist from exhalation, viruses/bacteria do better in moist environments, masks are reused without being sterilized, few people don and doff PPE correctly.

          It’s disease theater.

          1. I see the PC part of my autocorrect decided to kick in. Just swap s/he for he.

        2. I am what I am chipper wood.

        3. This just in, wearing a bandanna around your face like a stage coach robber is about as effective as sneezing into someone’s mouth at stopping any disease whatsoever.

          Morons.

          Sorry that your hysterical panic and lack of any knowledge whatsoever makes you think other people are the problem. That’s something you might want to work on.

          1. It’s as if people have forgotten that there are loads of other viruses and bacteria in the world that can also make you sick.
            I’m supposed to wear a mask at work now. It covers my beard most of the time. I’m not going to breathe through a dirty mask all day.

            I will not wear a mask outside of work. I won’t contribute to it being seen as a normal and rational response to a mild to moderately severe disease outbreak.


            1. I will not wear a mask outside of work. I won’t contribute to it being seen as a normal and rational response to a mild to moderately severe disease outbreak.

              Agree. People are shit at risk assessment and statistics, and they’re even worse at it when people are actively telling them to panic.

              Even now there are running death tallies, and it’s just amazing to me how silly that is. It tells people absolutely nothing useful, but is almost sure to panic people.

  11. Maryland gets its first medical marijuana drive-through.

    Right next to the police impound lot.

  12. “We need more targeted approaches to contain high-risk activities and protect high-risk populations while giving ordinary Americans more—not less—freedom to figure out when and how they want to return to work and some semblance of normal life.”

    Personal liberty optional.

  13. “It is our constitutional right,” he said. “It is not that we are trying to say, ‘Look at me. Look at me.’ This is what we do. This is how we do things. This is our way of life. I openly carry my handgun daily.”

    This guy is a snoozer. Find the confederate flag guys.

  14. https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/04/30/there-is-no-such-thing-as-the-science/

    The dangers of listening to a small pool of experts with orthodox thinking was also pointed to by a former chief scientific adviser, Sir David King. Reacting to reports that Boris Johnson’s senior adviser, Dominic Cummings, may have pushed SAGE to back the current lockdown, King told Bloomberg: ‘There is a herd instinct in all of us – we call it groupthink. It is possible that a group is influenced by a particularly influential person.’

    Other leading scientific figures have criticised the idea that the government’s policies are based on science. Professor Devi Sridhar, chair of global public health at the University of Edinburgh, told the Guardian: ‘As a scientist, I hope I never again hear the phrase “based on the best science and evidence” spoken by a politician. This phrase has become basically meaningless and used to explain anything and everything.’

    The same article quotes Professor Mark Woolhouse, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at the University of Edinburgh: ‘I do think scientific advice is driven far too much by epidemiology – and I’m an epidemiologist. What we’re not talking about in the same formal, quantitative way are the economic costs, the social costs, the psychological costs of being under lockdown. I understand that the government is being advised by economists, psychiatrists and others, but we’re not seeing what that science is telling them. I find that very puzzling.’

    It’s great that these principles are being restated. Funnily enough, though, this wasn’t the reaction we saw over Michael Gove’s much-half-quoted comment during the EU referendum – that the public has ‘had enough of experts’. (In fact, he said: ‘I think the people of this country have had enough of experts from organisations with acronyms saying they know what is best, and getting it consistently wrong.’) The trouble with politicians, we were told by Remain-supporting types, is that they don’t listen to the cool, rational views of experts nearly enough. Now that it seems that experts might be blamed for the deaths of tens of thousands of people, the expertise cheerleaders are reversing out of that position, pronto.

    1. ‘There is a herd instinct in all of us – we call it groupthink. It is possible that a group is influenced by a particularly influential person.’

      Relax. Implicit bias training *snigger* has been slowly bleaching this out of employees everywhere*snigger*. Teaching people to be rugged individualists *snigger snigger* capable of making their own decisions *snigger* rather than brainwashing people to the current pseudo-scientific zeitgeist espoused by varying cults of personality.

    2. …the public has ‘had enough of experts’

      I’ll just leave this here:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouyC28ffPjQ

    3. I am an engineer, and work with alot of engineers. The people that are concidered experts are not allowed to be wrong. If they had the accuracy and correct rate of these “experts” they would be unemployed. But to quote the great scientist ray: “you never been out of academia, me I worked in the private sector… They expect results”

  15. HAHAHA. If those ‘gunmen’ were wearing masks while open carrying you bet your ass the ‘news coverage’ would be super different. Something along the lines of ‘masked gunmen shot on steps on capitol building by brave police’.

  16. …protesters will lose some public sympathy and some moral high ground when they move unnecessarily put others at risk in those ways.

    Suddenly we’re concerned with the efficacy of protest methods.

    1. The irony is that the only protests that seem to get any respect from the powers that be these days are the ones were people actually come armed.

      1. I’m going to a protest tomorrow. I will be armed.

  17. https://twitter.com/NolteNC/status/1256191216682708993

    The Curve Is Bent. Time to Free Us!
    @NolteNC
    Says the accused rapist who won’t open his senate records!!!!

    Joe Biden
    @JoeBiden
    · Feb 20
    Let me be clear: Mayor Bloomberg should release folks from their non-disclosure agreements. This is about transparency. The American people deserve to know the truth.

    1. BIDEN: Explaining why his U. Delaware papers are not public, says there are position papers and private notes about his meetings with international leaders, like Putin.

      Says they could be taken out of context, used against him during a presidential run.

      1. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-operatives-accessed-secret-senate-records-at-university-of-delaware-report-says

        Biden operatives accessed secret Senate records at University of Delaware before mid-March, report says

      2. Say to fabricate a Russian collusion conspiracy?

        1. At this point, a fabricated conspiracy based on first hand documentation would actually show admirable amounts of integrity.

      3. ….and his surrogates claim he authorized release of all docs, assuming (likely correctly) that the press won’t call him on it.

  18. This kind of activity will put more people at risk, and it could mean that more people will die.

    Unlike sending armed agents of the state to interact with people going about their lives at their own discretion.

    1. “Hey! That’s different, and you know it! One is an essential public health matter, and the …… what was the question again?”

  19. “Criticize the Michigan Protesters for Crowding Into a Building Without Masks On”

    Weird how a bunch of people just decided to crowd into a building.

    1. Weirder to see LIBERTARIANS criticizing people for not abiding by excessively tyrannical government dictates.

  20. SF’s dim-bulb mayor decides to move the bum into hotel rooms for ‘the duration’ (with no plan on getting them out), and is SHOCKED at the result:
    “Homeless people from other cities moving to San Francisco for hotel rooms, mayor says ”
    […]
    “SAN FRANCISCO —
    San Francisco Mayor London Breed said Wednesday that homeless people from other counties have moved to San Francisco to ask to be placed in city-leased hotels during the coronavirus crisis.”
    https://www.latimes.com/homeless-housing/story/2020-04-29/san-francisco-coronavirus-hotel-rooms-homeless-people-from-other-cities

    1. Open borders with free stuff will do that kind of thing.

      1. Once the lockdown is lifted, their economy is going to jump to warp speed with all the entrepreneurs they’ve attracted.

        1. Have they finally figured out how to monetize shitting on the sidewalk?

          1. 1. Shit on sidewalks.
            2. ???
            3. Profit!

            (with apologies to South Park)

      2. Yeah, that’s the irony–these kinds of policies do work well, as long as they are in a closed or limited migration system that largely benefits the people who are already there. The Scandanvian systems are built on a culture of mutual trust that no one will exploit them for personal gain and will only be used if absolutely needed. The whole point of the Cloward-Piven strategy is to break down that system of trust by overwhelming the system beyond its capacity to actually help people.

  21. Not sure when it happened… but I really enjoy Matt Taibbi’s articles lately. He has taken a fun turn.

    “We have a lot of dumb people in this country. But the difference between the stupidities cherished by the Idiocracy set ingesting fish cleaner, and the ones pushed in places like the Atlantic, is that the jackasses among the “expert” class compound their wrongness by being so sure of themselves that they force others to go along. In other words, to combat “ignorance,” the scolders create a new and more virulent species of it: exclusive ignorance, forced ignorance, ignorance with staying power.”

    “Journalists are professional test-crammers. Our job is to get an assignment on Monday morning and by Tuesday evening act like we’re authorities on intellectual piracy, the civil war in Yemen, Iowa caucus procedure, the coronavirus, whatever. We actually know jack: we speed-read, make a few phone calls, and in a snap people are inviting us on television to tell millions of people what to think about the complex issues of the world.”

    https://taibbi.substack.com/p/temporary-coronavirus-censorship

    It is always good when a leftist realizes the stupidity of appeal to authority when that authority isn’t an actual authority.

    1. His work on Russia-gate was excellent. I stumbled across it through PJ Media and subscribed. While there is still PLENTY that I disagree with in his writing, it’s thoughtful, well-researched, and well presented.

      If you haven’t already, read the serial novel on the site, Business Secrets of Drug Dealing. It’s really outstanding. Some of the best writing and storytelling I have read in a long time.

      1. Give Taibbi credit, he’s far more self-aware than most journalists and sees the circus for what it is.

      2. Yes, someone I always appreciated whether in agreement or not. Here more and more I see writers I align with but don’t appreciate any more.

    2. When was Taibbi’s writing ever lacking for fun? He was one of the NYPress’s best in the 1980s.

  22. https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1256225573757751303

    As you watch this video, remember two points:

    1) What we accept as normal ratchets over time if we don’t explicitly fight it.

    2) When police officers try and fail to exercise authority, they’re humiliated; humiliation is dangerous for work that depends on public compliance.
    Quote Tweet

    Alex Berenson
    @AlexBerenson
    · 43m
    “That’ll be documented too, that you’re uncooperative.” Wisconsin cops hassle a woman at home for the crime of letting her child play with other kids. This happened. In the United States of America. This week.

    Add those two ideas up and find the future. Next month they don’t walk away. They give her a ticket. The month after that they don’t give her a ticket, they arrest her. The month after that they don’t arrest her, they take her child.

    The longer this goes, the worse it will be.

    1. Don’t even have to follow the link. The sad thing is that just because they let us smoke pot a little sooner than the others did, they think it’s the others who are despotic.

      OK, I’m being a little glib. The general idea was one of “The Man”, and that being able to align themselves against Him meant they were against oppression, and then slowly The Man morphed into You.

  23. https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1256181179730071558

    1/ Hey, remember how everyone who worked at that meatpacking plant in South Dakota got coronavirus and was going to die? This
    @nytimes
    story was April 15. As of now, 16 days later, South Dakota has 17 deaths total – ONE in anyone under 50, none under 40…

  24. Question for the gang. Grocery store workers are violating every lockdown order, and are just taking reasonable precautions, like Swedes.

    Anyone know how big the mass slaughter of grocery store workers by C19 is? I hear a couple of people in this store, a couple in that, were infected. Where are the mass Kroger deaths?

    If that number was significant, wouldn’t it be leading every evening newscast?

    1. No. Because it would show the narrative is wrong.

    2. Why do you think there is no meat shortage?

    3. There were a couple of COVID-related deaths at a WalMart in Aurora, Colorado; I think six people had gotten sick altogether.

      I haven’t heard of any other coof-pocalypses, though.

  25. Masks are largely pseudoscience magic dumbo feathers. there are little to no empirical studies that show their efficacy with this. It’s a common sense measure and a way to make people think they have some control over their lives. So lets not criticize anyone for anything unless it’s their horrid fashion choices which some of those people had in spades.

    1. This is going to burn through the population. The only real question is how it mutates for the second wave and if it will mimic the flu and produce a strain that can reininffect the previously infected. This was the dumbest of all strategies, they thought they were getting the Andromedia strain and ended up with the flu and now they are left holding the bag of fear and shutdowns that has caused the worst self inflicted economic downturn of modern history.

      1. It’s not that the flu is a specific strain that can reinfect. There are many strains of the flu, and more importantly your body doesn’t hold anti-bodies for it for very long.

        Coronaviruses are RNA viruses much more prone to mutation, but so is measles. Your body however holds onto Measles antibodies for a very very long time, but doesn’t for a cold/the flu. Typically though “short term” for antibodies is a few years at least.

    2. I had to wear one yesterday at the hospital. Not only are they just mostly theatre, they’re very hard to breather through. And it’s spring. Imagine summer.

      I was tugging on it constantly and I’m not going to get used to it because I’m ADD by nature and plus I don’t feel like it because it means I become part of the sheep cult.

      I’ll agree to it in certain circumstances – ie a hospital but not fricken Costco. They’re annoying company anyway.

      Fuck that. I’ll go where they don’t force that crap. My wife tells me I may be staying home then. So be it. Fuck them all.

      1. “they’re very hard to breather through.”

        Mouth Breather.

      2. I don’t want to step on your rant, but a mask meant to block a virus is supposed to be hard to breath through.

        1. I’m just making the point I hate them. When I go cross-country skiing, I keep my balaclava in my pocket unless I totally need it.

    3. unless you cover your hands and eyes as well a mask is just a waste of time and breath. when i say cover eye I mean you need to cover your entire head because those stupid face shields doctors and others are wearing are useless to air born particles floating around. even then just let the doctors and nurses work fewer hours. you work that many hours around sick people and you will get sick

      1. ” those stupid face shields doctors and others are wearing ”

        My understanding is a lot of surgery teams have been using the face shields since well before this pandemic. They aren’t about aerosol particles, they are about keeping blood splatter/spray out of the eyes to prevent exposure to blood born diseases like AIDS.

        And yes, the general public wearing them over this pandemic is probably supid nonsense.

    4. Pseudoscience, yes.

      But that won’t stop Karen from screaming at you.

      The reports about wearing masks for safety have already permeated, and are accepted as absolute truth. The “Stay At Home!” brigade has already morphed in to the “Wear A Mask!” brigade, and they have bucketfuls of shame to dump, backed by media reports with interviews of EXPERTS and ridiculously oversimplified graphics and memes.

  26. Actual statement from DoL’s most authoritative and goto source…

    Politico: The Media Has Done A Pretty Solid Job Covering This Tara Reade Story

    https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/04/30/politico-media-done-pretty-solid-job-covering-tara-reade-story/

    1. That’s a babylon bee article.

  27. I have never appreciated our Sergeants-at-Arms more than today.

    A good guy with a gun, eh, Senator?

  28. Maybe I’m wrong, but why is a so-called libertarian magazine nit-picking about masks? I ain’t wearing one because I’m healthy. I’m not the one that’s gonna kill granny and nor I’m afraid of this stupid virus. This appeal to emotion is emotional bullying. The mob now can lynch someone for not following protocols.

    If I get it, I get it. Then I will self-isolate as a duty. But you’re asking people to just do it ‘in case’ and out of pure fear. The precautionary principle is crossing the line into malice in my view.

    The masks aren’t a damn panacea and this virus can easily get through it. Viruses are smart. Smarter than the average progressive and pant shitter. The probabilities of survival are in my favour.

    Look at the fricken damn big picture. The lockdowns are irrational. We should be OUT THERE. Isolating healthy people is wrongheaded.

    I can’t let this control me and here’s Reason scolding people for not having one. You’re a bunch of nags is all you are.

    I think, for the most part, the record will show when the time came to stand for civil rights and liberty Reason failed.

    They should be encouraging civil disobedience. Not taking wish-washy ‘where’s your mask?’ crap.

    1. The masks (other than N95 and other medical equipment level masks) are effective like TSA screening is effective.
      It is street theater, pure and simple.
      Cloth masks, bandannas, etc just collect the moisture you exhale and save it to breed mold and bacteria and give you other disease than C19. BUT, they publicly show you are a meek sheep incapable of thought or analysis, and thus safe to allow out in the open.

      1. The head Korean doctor basically said anything lower than KF94 is hit or miss. In other words, dumb.

        Which is what we precisely are. Dumb.

        No ability to conduct risk/reward.

      2. The idea is to wash the masks or dispose of them after going home.

        1. If we mandate them, where are we getting them? And I would think this would have an impact on household budgets because we’d need a lot of them and we don’t even produce them. We have to wait like hobos for China to make them. Along the way, we’re vulnerable to con artists scamming governments.

          It’s like we never evolved from the trade routes in the Middle-Ages or in Roman times who pirates and bandits roamed them.

        2. I was talking to a person who is a microbiologist and she was blabbing about there should be a national lockdown, bring the army in and what to wear then I mentioned just taking off your gloves you can be infected her response “oh no they are good for at least three days before washing” she just shot all her credibility to shit. she is a a liberal biologist but even then they don’t see the weakness of their own arguments

          1. Gloves are bacterial beaches.

      3. BUT, they publicly show you are a meek sheep incapable of thought or analysis, and thus safe to allow out in the open.

        I’m not allowed to buy groceries unless I’m wearing something over my face. I guess it’s like paying taxes. I’m against it, but I’m too meek (and weak) to (literally physically) fight the people who want me to follow their orders.

        1. Really? They won’t let you in without a mask? That’s actually kind of crazy.

          I live in Colorado and I walked into the grocery just this morning without a mask. No one seemed to care, even the dummies wearing masks.

          At least I didn’t have to wait in a stupid line outside for 10 minutes just to get in. There was even toilet paper. Lucky me.

    2. The masks and libertarian endorsements of them have amused me since the beginning.

      If I take the mask off my face and wear it around my arm, it’s an arm band. If I take the arm band off my arm and wear it around my face, it’s a mask. Get it? The point of the matter isn’t whether I’m forced to wear a mask, an arm band, a condom, full-body or other, the point is that I’m *forced* to wear it. As *FUCKING* libertarians, you’d think these *FUCKING* retards would have the least damned clue.

  29. For reasons I’ve never been able to understand, some people – especially on the Left but I’ve seen it on the Right too – believe that you can only lawfully exercise one constitutionally-protected right at a time. That attempting to exercise two or more rights at once somehow waives all of them.

    You see it most commonly with people carrying guns while protesting, but it also crops up in response to people exercising freedom of religion while protesting and people believing that protestors don’t have fourth amendment rights while protesting.

    Some of the people I know that are normally completely in favor of constitutional/human rights without reservation abruptly become anti-human rights as soon as they see someone exercising two or more at once.

    It just makes no sense at all.

    1. It makes perfect sense. They do not really favor human rights at all.

  30. ‘Joe Biden Is Joe Biden’: Nancy Pelosi Snaps at Reporter for Tara Reade Question
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/30/joe-biden-is-joe-biden-nancy-pelosi-snaps-at-reporter-for-tara-reade-question/

    “I don’t need a lecture or a speech,” Pelosi responded defiantly. “I have complete respect for the whole MeToo movement.”

    “There is a lot of excitement around the idea that women will be heard and listened to,” she added. “There is also due process and the fact that Joe Biden is Joe Biden.”

    1. I am what I am.

      The Popeye defense.

  31. How the Spanish flu of 1918 “almost upended women’s suffrage.”
    Maryland gets its first medical marijuana drive-through.

    You do realize that both the NYT and WaPo have paywalls, right?

    1. So they have paywalls. It’s not like anyone would willingly click a link to those sites.

  32. Seeing the news media effectively smear average Americans as racists and terrorists because they want to reopen their businesses or go back to work is about the dumbest thing the news media could do if they want to defeat President Trump come November–especially in an important swing state like Michigan.

    I thought this was obvious after 2016! When you denounce the white, blue collar, middle class as being xenophobic, homophobic, stupid, and racist “deplorables” for things like caring about immigration or opposing riots and the Paris Climate Treaty, you alienate a fat chunk of them to the point that they won’t vote for social justice warriors anymore–not just because of the union.

    The primary concern of the white, blue collar, middle class in rust belt swing states like Michigan has been their ability to have a job and go to work since the industrial revolution came to those states. If you denounce them (by proxy or otherwise) as militia movement types because they want their jobs to open up so they can go to work, you will alienate them like nothing else can.

    I’m not from the Midwest. I grew up in DC and southern California–and even I know this! I’m not sure if the news media is even conscious of how they come across, but on some level, they must know that hating the white, blue collar, middle class of the Midwest is a bad idea from a marketing perspective–but they can’t stop themselves. If hating on the white, blue collar, middle class is wrong, they don’t want to be right.

    1. I’m not from the Midwest. I grew up in DC and southern California–and even I know this! I’m not sure if the news media is even conscious of how they come across, but on some level, they must know that hating the white, blue collar, middle class of the Midwest is a bad idea from a marketing perspective–but they can’t stop themselves. If hating on the white, blue collar, middle class is wrong, they don’t want to be right.

      They are as hateful as Julius Streicher.

      1. Sick reference, bro.

        Not that I disagree. They’ve become much more hateful and polarizing over the last 10-15 years or so. Guess they don’t hide it as well now as they used to.

    2. the media thinks teh Midwest don’t pay the media stars wages but wait until local radio and Tv stations start closing down because teh local business that advertise there can’t advertise because they have no money. of course the media will just blame the people for voting for Trump and should have gotten a different carrier. I’ve already seen that comment posted else where

      1. We are flyover country. The elitists abuse us at their peril. We’ll inflict another 4 years of Trump on them.

    3. They truly cannot help their reactions. Frog meet Scorpion.

  33. Michigan’s protesters would be more effective if they didn’t “storm” the state assembly, and went to the governor’s office/mansion instead. She seems to be the only real roadblock in all of this.

    1. they should just like Antifa when they went to politicians and Fox broadcasters homes. then they would start to understand

  34. They certainly have the right to bear arms and assemble for redress of grievances. They seem to lack the wisdom that carrying those arms to make an unrelated political point makes them look like yahoos.

    1. Really? Because the only protests recently that seem to get the message across are the ones where people show up armed.

      And yeah, Der Karenfeuhrer needs to get the message that she’s merely a state governor, not a Queen with the divine right to rule. Polis seems to be one of the few blue-state governors that appears to understand the difference.

      1. So I get it, it’s legal, and technically speaking it is the right of people bear arms and to assemble peacably and petition for redress of their grievances….but is this how it goes now? Is this the new way that we get what we want? By dressing like a private army and surrounding people with rifles until they agree to our pet demands?

        “I don’t think we need to teach science in schools, and I will go to the capitol armed to say that, and they better listen to me or else”

        I think taxes are too high, and I’m going down there with this rifle to make them make a deal with me”
        …etc. etc.

    2. It’s not an unrelated political point.
      If they’re not listened to, the governor might find out just how relevant it is

      1. you are proving my point exactly.
        You are implying very strongly that it is proper to go armed to the governor and demand your wants or you will use the gun. Nice. And you wonder why some people want to ban guns.

    3. Disagree.

      It doesn’t make them look like anything.

      It does put the media in the position of making them look like wahoos, which the media just loves.

    4. They seem to lack the wisdom that carrying those arms to make an unrelated political point makes them look like yahoos.

      Because the women’s march was a completely irrelevant political farce until the theme-perfect vagina hats tied it all together with a nice bow and legitimized the whole thing?

  35. Rogan O’Handley Flag of United States
    @DC_Draino
    ·
    Apr 19
    Just remember what the government attacked first in a time of crisis:

    Church

    Gun stores

    Freedom to run your business

    Freedom to assemble

    Every single one of these rights is protected by the Constitution

  36. https://twitter.com/equipguycle/status/1256249833603706882

    Testing site in Cuyahoga County (near Cleveland) it has been closed at leat 3 days this week. Don’t tell me its a lack of supply because the Cleveland Clinic just shipped 10k tests overseas..There is no demand for testing because nobody is sick.

    1. Time to ditch that bitch, Guv, or you will be expelled.

      I’m sick. Sick of petty unelected tyrants dictating what we can do. We went along with flattening the curve. Job well done. Now GTF outta here!

  37. I believe Biden. He was just smelling her hair. Below the equator though. I mean it was the ’90’s.

  38. pic of that old guy yelling at the security cops was funny. i don’t think they have an assembly vote dude.

  39. Just because you have a right to open carry doesn’t mean it’s wise to exercise. I suspect its main purpose is to intimidate and make gun rights opponents uncomfortable – a big fuck you to them. As someone who cherishes gun rights, I can sympathize with the sentiment. But I’m also civilized enough not to desire the fear and discomfort of my fellow Americans. Besides open carry is a poor method of self defense – it clearly shows any bad guys present who to shoot first.

  40. No, don’t criticize protesters for not wearing masks. Even if we ignore the authoritarian nature of telling people to wear them, there’s the elephant in the room that no one seems to want to address.

    All masks, quarantining, lockdowns, social isolation, etc., do is delay people getting the disease. Delay, not prevent. Eventually, they still get it. Those who were gonna die are still gonna die. It’s going to keep going until we get herd immunity, and you don’t get that by cowering and hiding or carefully wearing masks. Since we do not have a vaccine and we don’t know when or if we will, getting the disease and getting over it, as 99.4 to 99.9% will, is the only way to end this. That is the ONLY way to protect the vulnerable. Allow (not require) those people who are not at significant risk of death (the vast majority of us) to go out and be exposed to the virus and start forming that herd immunity that is the only thing that will actually end this.

  41. I find their carrying of weapons into a legislature facility offensive. It definitely makes me reconsider my support of the Second Amendment when I see such immature, intimidating and abusive behavior by gun owners.

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