Tonight on The Independents: Quarantines, Bushes, Rep. John Mica, 'Brainwashed' Blacks, Elon Musk's A.I. Fear, Hillary's Job-Creators, IRS Asset Seizures, Aftershow, and More!

Tonight's live episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three hours later) starts with a conversation about politics and Ebola (the same thing?), featuring Party Panelists Deroy Murdock (Fox News contributor) and Ellison Barber (Washington Free Beacon writer). At issue: the Cuomo/Christie quarantine, and the latest Jeb Bush boomlet. Later in the show the two will comment on Hillary Clinton's retrograde ideas about job creation, and possibly the Berkeley student petition to disinvite the "bigot and racist" Bill Maher from commencement.

The Atlanta rapper Killer Mike will comment on NBA analyst Charles Barkley's controversial statements about how, "For some reason we are brainwashed to think, if you're not a thug or an idiot, you're not black enough." Rep. John Mica (R-Fla.) will detail what he says were some of the worst abuses of government charge cards this past year. The co-hosts will chew over Elon Musk being spooked by Artificial Intelligence. And I will talk about the drug/terrorism scares that led to the IRS being able to just steal your goddamned cash money for no good reason at all.

Online-only aftershow begins at foxbusiness.com/independents just after 10. Follow The Independents on Facebook at facebook.com/IndependentsFBN, follow on Twitter @ independentsFBN, and click on this page for more video of past segments.

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[Fist of Etiquette]

Yes, but why the caricature of Cavuto?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

So it is. And so it is.

/takes spoonful of Jell-O.

[Sevo]

..."The co-hosts will chew over Elon Musk being spooked by Artificial Intelligence."...

He must be afraid AI agents will beat him out in the rent-seeking bizz.

[GILMORE]

"Deroy Murdock ...and Ellison Barber "

Christ. I feel like I need to change my name to something more "1950's Hard-Boiled Crime-Fiction Author"-sounding just to fit in.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Humphrey Gilmore it is.

[GILMORE]

I was thinking maybe "Rex Chandler Gilmore"

[Raven Nation]

Gilmore Spade?

[C. Anacreon]

Hey, it's ok if you don't like the guy, but you shouldn't want to get Gilmore Spayed.

[The Hyperbole]

Dashiell Gilmore, no one names their kids Dashiell anymore. tis a pity

[PapayaSF]

"Mickey Gilmore" and "Carter Gilmore" both have a nice ring.

[GILMORE]

Speaking of 'ellison barber'...

...i'd proofread her drafts anytime.

[C. Anacreon]

The teeth in that caricature remind me of the Terry Gilliam smiley teeth in the opening credits of Monty Python.

[GILMORE]

"the Berkeley student petition to disinvite the "bigot and racist" Bill Maher from commencement."

WTF

I had no idea what this is in reference to...

"The comedian's "public statements on various religions and cultures are offensive and his dangerous rhetoric has found its way into our campus communities," the petition continues. "

What did he say?

"He claimed that Islam is "the only religion that acts like the mafia," and that Muslims "will f*cking kill you if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture, or write the wrong book.""

well, while i think he does have the facts on his side...

...young progressives seem intent on proving that he's incorrect that its *the ONLY* one.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Wow, Maher has discovered that, no matter how crazy you are, you can always find people who are able to out-crazy you!

[Sevo]

So the UC proggies are gonna boycott the guy for about the only honest comment he's ever made?
Great! Wouldn't wanna wreck UC's rep.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

They're just being tolerant and open-minded by silencing all opposing viewpoints, you racist teabagging conservatard!

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Once again, Maher shows he's an ignorant, smart-alec asshole.

The Mafia functions NOTHING like Islam.

OMERTA is different from what, I gather, he's arguing.

[Sevo]

Rufus J. Firefly|10.27.14 @ 8:48PM|#
"Once again, Maher shows he's an ignorant, smart-alec asshole."

And the shame is they're not griping about THAT!

[Palin's Buttplug]

Rufus is now our resident Mohammed-fag.

[John Titor]

You're just lucky there's no goombas in redneck country.

[GILMORE]

For christs' sake, fanatics are cutting people's heads off in the name of Islam, and the little commies get upset because someone bothers to point it out?

[Sevo]

Hey, it's Cal!

[Sevo]

BTW, wasn't it Jeb B. who outlawed 'gouging' for generators after a hurricane hit FL, thereby assuring generators stayed out of FL during the recovery?

[Suthenboy]

We had the same shit here in LA, not just for generators but for gasoline, batteries...etc.; hurricane supplies.

[Sevo]

Not Jindal, I hope.

[Suthenboy]

No, before his time. Kathleen Blanco was governor, and I don't remember who was responsible for it, but there was a hell-of-a lot of squabbling over it.

Now that I think about it more, they may have had to rescind the ban. I will have to look it up, my memory fails.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Yes. I sell generators and have familiarized myself with those asinine laws.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

And Virginia has them as well

[Sevo]

I'll bet you didn't sell any in FL after that hurricane; Bush made sure generators stayed in warehouses all over the south.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Not my market but every manufacturer I deal with said it ruined their emergency business. No dealer was willing to risk getting their inventory sized and put in jail.

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

Seized

[Suthenboy]

Am I just getting more cynical in my old age, or are the two parties getting more and more pathetic in their choices of candidates?

A Bush and a Clinton? Are they joking? Nothing but wreched statist fucks, some downright commies.

The only ones worth their salt, which you can count on the fingers on one hand, neither party will let anywhere near the oval office.

[juris imprudent]

This would be enough to convince me that the game is indeed over and I will write in my vote for Hector Mountain-Dew Camacho - not as a joke but as the only serious alternative. After that, the feet do the voting.

[Sevo]

"A Bush and a Clinton? Are they joking?"

There is some new form of two guys beating the crap out of each other; they get inside a cage and have at it.
I suggest we get B and C to do so. We bury the loser and the winner gets shipped off as Ambassador to Peru.

[Suthenboy]

What the hell did Peru ever do to you?

[Sevo]

Awright, Brazil!

[Cytotoxic]

Au contraire at the state level the GOP is actually starting to front some people that don't suck. I think it will trickle up.

[Suthenboy]

I hope to God you are right. I am still reeling from the R's putting Mitt Obamney up and claiming he was a conservative.

[Cytotoxic]

That better be the low point. Even Jeb Bush would be an improvement. At least he can run a competent campaign. Mitt's was worse than McCain's campaign.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

North Carolina - thanks to the Republican legislature, victims of eugenics policies under Democratic rule get compensation

http://lockerroom.johnlocke.or.....pensation/

[Notorious G.K.C.]

PS - I suspect that the NY Times will not use this headline.

[Fist of Etiquette]

They offered the world ORDER!

[PH2050]

The JLF is one of my favorite organizations here in NC. Great link!

[Francisco d'Anconia]

INDEPENDENTS MUSTER!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v582kPp43Mg

[Sevo]

Haven't checked; who's playing whom tonight?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Muster what?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Colonel Muster, in the den, with a candlestick.

[trshmnster the terrible]

NTTAWWT

[Los Doyers]

A candlestick.....where?

[PH2050]

Barkeley's comments: TURRIBLE, JUST TURRIBLE!

Blacks have filled in for racist whites in the South when it comes to making sure that "uppity negroes" know their place. Ironic. Saw it in the treatment of my wife since she was married to a white man and possessed a better command of the English language than I did.

[GILMORE]

My favorite barkley story =

He once got in a bar fight and threw a guy out the front window.

At the court case, the judge told him off, saying, 'you're a public figure, you should know better, you're a role model...' etc etc. 'don't you have any regrets'?

and barkley said, "I regret the bar was not on the 3rd floor"

[PH2050]

Ha! Hilarious story.

[Sevo]

And I'll bet it's a "story"...

[GILMORE]

I've seen it mentioned a dozen times, so it seems to have some basis in fact

The arrest for throwing the guy out the window is undisputed. The quote was supposedly from the court case

[Fist of Etiquette]

Prediction: Dreamcatchers

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Hoops.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Is that an apron?

[Buddy Bizarre]

Whoa. Can't wait to see Gilmore's review of this outfit...

[Fist of Etiquette]

I have no right to remain Ebola-free.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Show their mettle blubber.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I don't think they've gone too far enough!

[Fist of Etiquette]

You know who else put Americans in internment camps?

[Scruffy Nerfherder]

School superintendents?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

The Civilian Conservation Corps?

[trshmnster the terrible]

Robert E. Lee?

[juris imprudent]

Gov. Earl Warren?

[C. Anacreon]

Wasn't Earl Warren the first woman on the Supreme Court?

[Sevo]

He certainly tried to 'make up' for those camps.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Moar bullsht. It's not capable of mutating in the timeframe you are talking about. Astronomical odds.

THIS ISN'T OUTBREAK WITH DUSTIN HOFFMAN. THAT WAS A MOVIE!

[Cytotoxic]

A bad movie.

So good to see someone else here whose brain isn't being melted by this subject.

[Fist of Etiquette]

It's airborne now???

[Cytotoxic]

There was an outbreak of an airborne Ebola strain in the '90s in a monkey lab in America. That strain could not infect people.

[Fist of Etiquette]

MATT WELCH HAS NO CONCRETE ANSWERS EITHER!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

How many medical experts on the panel?

Oh, wait, there's a blonde writer, I'm feeling reassured now!

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I said they should have given her marshmallows while she was in the tent but did they listen? Nooooo!

[Francisco d'Anconia]

The Republican's still don't get it, do they?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I was speaking to a German... "Die, Bart Die."

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Brother Bush...

RACIST!

[widget]

disinvite the "bigot and racist" Bill Maher from commencement.

Awesome.

CA lefties are on a roll here in CA.

[widget]

oops.

[Sevo]

CA lefties have been on a role for a while; see Earl Warren and the Japanese.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Mom Jeans Obama ain't all that charismatic.

[trshmnster the terrible]

Cis shitlord! Enforcing your normative gender stereotypical denim!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Exactly.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Let me be the first to say I really, really, really hated 'Religulous'. A vain, vapid and vacuous piece of crap.

[Suthenboy]

It was offensive. He found a bunch of mentally ill, uneducated, and borderline retards and let them make complete fools of themselves. What a guy....

The people he showcased are by no means representative of the average religious person in America.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Exactly.

[BigT]

BS. It was a comedy, not a documentary. The joke was over-played. So what? Why so sensitive? Did it strike too close to the bone?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Er, not BigT. We all know about Maher's position on religion and his 'joke' was to mock.

No, it didn't touch close to the bone. I'm no more or less religious than the next guy. It was strictly an intellectual observance and opinion.

Don't know why you took offense to this of all things.

[Palin's Buttplug]

You are a true Mohammed fag. That is why. Fuck you.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Ok, Palin you found your comenback. Happy?

Here's a scooby snack.

[Winston]

So John Tory will be Toronto's new Mayor, defeating 64 other candidates.

Only one incumbent councillor lost.

[PapayaSF]

At least it wasn't Olivia Chow.

But what a funny name. It's like being named John Republican. It's like he's a label in an old editorial cartoon.

[Winston]

At least it wasn't Olivia Chow.

My feelings exactly.

38 of the 44 councillors ran for re-election and only one was defeated.

Tory was leader of the Ontario PCs and ran Kim Campbell's election campaign so his name his doubly ironic.

His ancestors were living in Nova Scotia in the 1790s. They could have been loyalists so I wonder if that is how they got the name?

Fun little fact: his great-grand uncle was a prominent Liberal in Nova Scotia, being passed over as Premier at the last minute and served as Lieutenant Governor.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Thank God no Chow.

[Winston]

I'm still pretty surprised that she did so poorly. A few months ago it looked like she would crush Ford but she ended up being a poor third.

[Cytotoxic]

Incredible. That lifelong loser managed to not lose. I wish I had reason to believe he'd be any good. Kind of wish Doug Ford had been given a chance but at least it was close and Chow got crunched.

[Winston]

That lifelong loser managed to not lose.

I'm still pretty shocked myself. Guy couldn't get elected in Toronto in 2003 or 2007 or to elect any MPPs in 2007 or MPs in 1993 yet even managed to defeat Olivia Chow and Doug Ford.

[Fist of Etiquette]

It's a very Christmas Killer Mike.

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 27 October 2014

Navy Day-Edition

- Kennedy: Set Phasers to Stun! = Future Kennedy has teleported into the past to warn us of the dangers of...sleeves? I'm not sure if its a 'party dress' or a very avante-garde kitchen apron. In terms of accessories, I'm thinking "Dwarves". Trippy. If she gave our children candy we'd send them to a lab for testing.

- Matt: Oh God. The Black Suit? We thought you were dead. Or maybe it was just hope. We are suddenly reminded of everything we didn't like about it, first of which is the cut. It looks baggy and its swallowing his neck. The horrors of this thing set aside = the choice of the Navy Tie is both apropos as a sign of support for our nation's sailors, and a better match with the Pink shirt than most of his other options. If he were wearing his blue suit we'd be cheering. Instead I now need some Pepto and want to punch a teddy bear.

- Kmele: Monochromes. We love this formula. Its effortlessly sharp AND hip without anything being brash or ostentatious. Get this man a martini. Victory by default.

[insert semaphore signal]

[Buddy Bizarre]

Was not disappointed.

[GILMORE]

Barkley and Killer Mike = both Alabama boys?

[Irish]

The Atlanta rapper Killer Mike will comment on NBA analyst Charles Barkley's controversial statements about how, "For some reason we are brainwashed to think, if you're not a thug or an idiot, you're not black enough."

Charles Barkley says basic fact which is obvious to any objective observer about the way black people are damaged by their own culture, pearls are clutched and panties wadded.

Would someone think this was 'controversial' if I said that rednecks have an idiotic culture or the culture of Egypt is damaging to the prospects of Egyptians? If not, then why does it suddenly become controversial to talk about basic problems with inner city black culture?

[GILMORE]

You're only allowed to criticize Gun Nuts and The 1%

[Irish]

Incidentally, saying that there's something wrong with modern black culture cannot rationally be considered racist. The point about culture is that it's changeable.

Therefore, saying that there's something wrong with a culture basically means that you're saying those people have the opportunity to improve themselves and should be given the opportunity to do so. That's literally the exact opposite of racism.

[Cytotoxic]

You are right to cleave race from culture, but if you want to do that you can't call it 'black culture'. 'Hood culture' would be much better.

[Irish]

I think 'inner city African American culture' would be accurate. There are plenty of Indian and African immigrants who live in those neighborhoods and don't fall into that kind of behavior.

[PapayaSF]

So "Killer Mike" "takes exemption" to what Barkley said? Oy.

[Suthenboy]

I can't watch the show, my wife has a monopoly on the TV.

Did he really say that? Does that mean that he is endorsing Barkley's comment by parody?

[PapayaSF]

He did say that, in such a way that it makes me think he has misheard the phrase "take exception."

[GILMORE]

Killer Mike = we get it. make the point and get out.

[Fist of Etiquette]

SPOILER ALERT.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Live closer to Barkley, have better role models...OK, but why is that necessary? Seriously, I think if you look closely, wherever you are, you can *find* role models who can provide inspiring examples for you!

[PH2050]

LOL. Killer Mike seems to espouse a ridiculous notion that proximity=primacy when it comes to "role model selection"

[Irish]

It's too bad we don't have T.V., the internet, or books. If that were the case then people could get role models from outside their community and Killer Mike's argument would not make any sense.

By the way, doesn't the fact that a man named 'Killer Mike' is talking about 'taking exemption' to Barkley's argument pretty much prove that Barkley is 100% right?

[Suthenboy]

Yes. Yes it does.

[Sevo]

PH2050|10.27.14 @ 9:25PM|#
"LOL. Killer Mike seems to espouse a ridiculous notion that proximity=primacy when it comes to "role model selection""

Assuming he did, he still needs to show a local role model and the result.

[PH2050]

You know...I would pay like $5 or $10 per month just to have a stable stream of this channel so I could watch The Independents instead of this crappy (illegal?) streaming site.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Christ! How many sci-fi scenarios have come to fruition?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Elon Musk has arguably a more Bond villainous name than Zenon Evans!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Uh, no. Elon Musk is a perfume.

How about Sargon of Akkad?

[PapayaSF]

Elon Musk is a perfume.

LOL

[BigT]

Elon Musk is an ODOR.

[Suthenboy]

We have a dude running for congress here in LA named.....I hope you are all sitting down....Zach Dasher.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I like the ON/OFF switch.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The three laws!

[Fist of Etiquette]

WRONG. You talk the AI into destroying itself.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

If love is simply an irrational distraction...why do you love yourself so much?

[BZZT...CRRZR...Does not Compute...] [Explosion]

[PH2050]

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

There was at least one thing the abortion of a game Mass Effect 3 got right: Synthesis is the most attractive option when it comes to any potential future conflict between humans and their intelligent creations.

Of course, this is all based on a giant assumption that it's even possible that this will occur before humans can become immortal cyborgs that possess god-like capabilities.

[GILMORE]

Kennedy is wearing The Singularity.

[NotAnotherSkippy]

That is the singularity. Welch got it right even if he got so much else wrong like Musk being libertarian or that rampant AI's being a serious threat. Kmele was more sane as usual.

[Sevo]

..."like Musk being libertarian"...

The VAPORS! Smelling salts, please!
Ha and ha.

[Cytotoxic]

Is the ME series worth playing?

[PH2050]

Overall, I did enjoy the series. Especially with the fun DLC. Plus, you can get it all for super cheap now so I would recommend it. Bioware used to be amazing at delivering the single player RPG experience, however I feel they started to decline when making ME3.

As a student in nanobiology, it was encouraging to see MNT featured so prominently.

[Cytotoxic]

So your endorsement includes ME3?

Nanobiology? That's awesome. I hope you have better employment prospects than I do.

[PH2050]

I guess I'm weird and just wanted to experience the "complete" story. After being given so much freedom and choice throughout the series it was a bit disappointing to see that ME3 gave so little when it came to resolution. Also, ME1 is fine as a standalone adventure, in my opinion.

I think you said before you're in molecular bio? I think your employment prospects will look much better here soon. Do you read any of the research articles posted on Kurzweil?

[Cytotoxic]

Sorry, but I don't remember us talking about Kurzweil. Is there any particular paper you're talking about?

I have a lot of molecular biology skills but I'm basically a microbiologist/virologist/biochemist.

[Fist of Etiquette]

THROW BILL SHATNER AT THE PROBLEM.

[PH2050]

He's gonna sex the AGI into submission?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

We can make progs better than they were...better...stronger...libertarian.

[Fist of Etiquette]

"I don't know, officer, that could be him, but I don't think he had that elbow growing out of his head."

[GILMORE]

So, that segment is called, "Make fun of the drunk"

[Fist of Etiquette]

There's milk in a White Russian?

[GILMORE]

That's technically a Skinny Russkie

[Rufus J. Firefly]

FUN FACT. GET TO KNOW RUFUS.

I got so wasted on White Russians once I've never had one since.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Hey careful man there's a beverage here!

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I'm here to read the comments about the blonde chick. Go.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

There's a blonde chick on the panel?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

No, she was spilling milk or something. I wasn't really watching.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Not bad McConaughay.

[Fist of Etiquette]

You're useless, Alec Ballpit!

[PH2050]

No kids around?

He's ronery, so ronery.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

*useress

[Fist of Etiquette]

No less evil than house cats.

[GILMORE]

Now she's mocking the blind.

[GILMORE]

maybe they should replace 'Topical Storm' with "Kennedy Kicking a Cripple"

[Fist of Etiquette]

Manufacturing Marvels meets the 2nd Amendment.

[PH2050]

Lol! That commercial totally had that feel. Well done, sir/ma'am.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I demand to be addressed by both.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Wham! takes us to commercial and Rancid brings us back?

[PH2050]

White, rich, connected...how is this lady not being run out of politics on a rail by the SJW crowd?

[GILMORE]

Hilary is such a great public speaker. So 'off the cuff' and sincere

[Fist of Etiquette]

Oh, Hitlary. Your presidential campaign will be spectacular.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

This should sink her.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

In a sane world.

[NotAnotherSkippy]

You didn't build it didn't sink Barry. In 2wk no one will remember what she said.

[Sevo]

In SF, they'll be spouting it as if it were the word of Pete.

[Cytotoxic]

Barry had the 'cool negro' thing going for him and he was up against The Worst Candidate.

[GILMORE]

I'd barber her ellison

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I noticed the name Martha Coakley under the podium she was speaking on.

A more miserable, evil cunt than Coakley you will not find.

[PH2050]

Hillary knows what job creation is.

It's that shoulder thing that goes up.

Right?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

It's that she has a Vajayjay.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I think?

[GILMORE]

Hilary isn't even a good liar. And she's had a lifetime of practice.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Berkeley only wants to hear what it wants to hear? Say it ain't so!

[Fist of Etiquette]

WTF is Kennedy on tonight?

[GILMORE]

Prior to every show Kennedy has a ritual colon-cleaning with a mix of soy-milk and Benzedrine. someone clearly got the wrong brand of soymilk tonight.

[GILMORE]

Kennedy gets wired crossed = goes into 'random word association mode' by default.

Not bad, frankly. grace under pressure.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Dear Lord, in deciding who to invite for commencement, you look for some high-powered intellectual who can be a capstone to your academic career. The high-powered intellectual part should rule out Bill Maher in all but the lowest-tier schools.

And of course you take the speaker's views into account. If he's a Commie with a huge IQ, forget it, choose a businessman with a lower IQ but a better record of helping actual people.

[GILMORE]

I don't even remember who the fuck spoke at my commencement.

[GILMORE]

I think it might have been Tom Brokaw.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Oh, well, sometimes you roll a 7, sometimes you get snake eyes.

Or to put it another way, sometimes you roll an 18, sometimes you roll a 3.

[The artist known Dunphy]

Hire Mumia!!!!!

Derp derp

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I thought I heard something...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX5VbKSF4qY

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Johnny Mosely here. He even did some ski moves on stage.

[Heroic Mulatto]

For me?

Al Fucking Gore.

When he was campaigning for President, nonetheless.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

You should feel honored. People apparently pay big bucks to hear him spew his bullshit.

[GILMORE]

Yeah, that's pretty money.

[Cytotoxic]

BARF

I don't think anyone special spoke at my convocation. I don't remember. All I care about was I got to wear a robe and eat a lot of food.

[gaoxiaen]

I was so hungover that I just wanted the speaker to quit speaking. And the room to quit spinning.

[Sevo]

GILMORE|10.27.14 @ 9:50PM|#
"I don't even remember who the fuck spoke at my commencement."

If you remember it, you weren't there.
Oh, shucks! That was a DECADE!

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I actually wasn't there.

Both high school and University.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Obama Bucks.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

What's a few hundred thou in a $17 trillion economy?

/derp.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Fuck my ass!

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Paging Jesse! Jesse, pick up the white courtesy phone!

[GILMORE]

mumble mumble mumble great president.... mumble mumble braaaaaaaaains....

[Rufus J. Firefly]

"Send more cops!"

[Fist of Etiquette]

You opened the door to that by asking about Bush, Kennedy.

[PH2050]

To connect two topics:

A musician was on Bill Maher's show once and said "Hillary Clinton, it's just another form of dynasty to me. They're passing the Presidency around like a party joint. From Bush to Clinton, to Bush, to Clinton..."

[PH2050]

Shit, that was supposed to be in response to FdA.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Where It's a Terrible Segment Name

[Fist of Etiquette]

If it's legal then what are you complaining about?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

No guarantee she'd get it back?

HOW THE FUCK IS THIS NOT A CRIME?

They're worst than the mob. I'm serious. They're CRIMINALS.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I get it's 'legal' but it's bull shit.

The IRS are THIEVES.

[NotAnotherSkippy]

It's like Sheriff of Notingham put on some green clothes and it's all good. The IRS is nobly funding the government.

Burn it with fire.

[Suthenboy]

No Rufus, it is not legal.

The constitution is the supreme law of the land. No matter what bullshit has been concocted since, if it contravenes the fifth amendment, which this clearly does, it is not legal.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Fuck off you Islamist Canuck idiot.

[Irish]

PB is in high form today.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Yes. Yes he is.

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Lou Dobbs.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

AAAAHHHH!!! LOU DOBBS!!!!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Alternately speaking.

[PH2050]

And here I always thought "baking pies" was just slang for cooking up crack. This lady is obviously guilty.

The More You Know!?

[GILMORE]

Shazam! Dobbs

[The artist known Dunphy]

Nice UOF and crown control by Phoenix PD

PROPS...

http://tinyurl.com/lbqqbl6

Booya body cameras! Booya filming the police

[The artist known Dunphy]

'Crown control' what a Freudian slip!

The guy getting arrested while wearing the pig mask is so ironic, dude

[Francisco d'Anconia]

The artist known Tulpa

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Surely he knows his own email address. Right "Dunphy"?

[GILMORE]

Do you dress up for halloween? Or is every day halloween for you?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Mmmm...dunphy, that perfume you're wearing smells delicious!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBKVg4pbL3E

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Bacon!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

What are you talking about, pork chops are way better!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwY66Qr364A

[GILMORE]

JACK JONES IS DEAD???!!

JACK!! WHAT HAPPENED?

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

To clarify "Where it's Matt":

The rant applies to cash transactions. The IRS can't stand not knowing where your money came from.

[GILMORE]

LIBERTARIAN, SMASH! (elections)

[Palin's Buttplug]

Rufus - the Canuck Mohammed fag that hates that atheist Bill Maher. You are on the wrong site you little sissy boy.

[Sevo]

Whatever, turd.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Getting bullied by Palin is actually pretty fun.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

You are on the wrong site

The irony burns!

[PH2050]

The irony burns!

All this talk about AGI...meanwhile, we've got (alleged) humans commenting here that lack all self-awareness.

[Palin's Buttplug]

I am a Hagen atheist capitalist. Am I on the wrong site?

I do hate rednecks. And Christ-faggots.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Hayek. Fuck auto correct.

[Sevo]

Whatever, turd. As if you knew a difference.
Fuck off.

[BigT]

The lack of self awareness is truly stunning.

[Suthenboy]

Does anyone know what the turdpolisher is blathering about?

[John Titor]

The puddle of drug-infused rat piss that is Buttplug's mind is finally giving out.

[Sevo]

Rufus likely called turd on some BS and turd is trying to find some reason to beat on Rufus.
Turd's an ignorant asshole, so whatever...

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I think he's upset over the cookie thing.

Gilmore started!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Well, for me at least, the livestream is shitting the bed.

[GILMORE]

No cutoff.

[Palin's Buttplug]

HELLO! I AM RUFUS! I HATE CRITICS OF ISLAM LIKE BILL MAHER!

[PH2050]

There are plenty of reasons to dislike Maher that are unrelated to his criticism of religion.

[Palin's Buttplug]

What? Is Bill Maher on the dole?

Oh, you mean he hates the greasy haired rednecks that make up today's GOP!

Well fuck yeah!

[Cytotoxic]

He's a pompous idiot that only retards like you think is funny or smart.

[Suthenboy]

Oh, I get it now. If one hates that fuckin' asshat Maher then one is an Islamist.

Makes sense.

My apologies to the turdpolisher.

[Irish]

I honestly thought this was a PB sockpuppet at first because he's going even crazier than usual.

[Palin's Buttplug]

There is no form of conservatism I hate more than Islamism.

I despise Islam more than Southern Baptists.

And Southern Baptists are the dregs of modern America.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

"And Southern Baptists are the dregs of modern America."

Like Jimmy and James Carter?

[Irish]

There is no form of conservatism I hate more than Islamism.

No one tell PB about the long history of Islamic Socialism.

It would blow his mind.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Interesting, but doesn't seem to be some huge or driving force within Islam.

[Irish]

Modern Islam has a whole host of stereotypically 'leftist' beliefs though, most obviously anti-imperialism. They aren't really 'conservative' or 'leftist' from a western sense because it's a political belief system that evolved independently of western ideas.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

I don't think it fits nicely, but I think in the main it shares critical elements with religious conservatism generally.

[Irish]

There are examples of flat out Communist Islamist parties.

Statist ideologies tend to get along fairly well with other statist ideologies, so left-wing economic ideas are hardly alien to fundamentalist Islam.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

"There are examples of flat out Communist Islamist parties."

And they're pretty insignificant compared to Islam overall.

[Cytotoxic]

The 'Islamic socialist' impulse seems much worse in the Arab world, like everything else, probably because you can segue from failed Arab Nationalism-Socialism to Islamic Socialism easily and because nationalizing oil is easily and reinforces the dysfunction of the society, manifesting as more Islamism.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

You missed the bet, bro. Didn't you accuse me of pussing out?

You're getting a little too old for all of the drugs, man. You get confused.

[Cytotoxic]

John and PB go insane together...have their cycles synchronized?

[Irish]

Whatever you Islamist Christ-fag Bushpuppet. If you weren't so beholden to the Pope and the Republican party you'd probably acknowledge PB's genius!

[Cytotoxic]

Splitting the GOP because voting (LP ALL YOUR BALLOT ARE BELONG TO US) oppresses the Christian bakers SMASH THE TECHNOLOGY THE STATE

Behold my half-assed 'skepticism' of Ebola experts! QUARANTINE becuz MUH FEELINGZ

[Irish]

We need to get Mike M and PB in an argument. I think it would go something like this:

Mike M:'Block Insane Yomamma wants us all to get Ebola in service to his dark African deities.'

PB:'Whatever Christfag Bushpig anti-Maher retard. SOROS IS GOD!'

It would be goddamn insane, but completely worth it.

[Cytotoxic]

I was impersonating John but yeah right now we have a small gang of conservaderps who have become self-parodyingly imbecilic. Perhaps if we squeeze all the trolls together under enough heat and pressure, we can...turn them all into a messy but non-irritating puree.

[John Titor]

Nothing like throwing a hissy fit because someone doesn't like your favourite D-list comedian.

[Sevo]

Until Konocki Harbor Inn closed, that's where they were booked.
Now they're booked on lefty TV channels that no one watches.

[John Titor]

Hitchens clearly was a secret Islamist as well, that's why he mocked Maher and his pathetic audience.

[Sevo]

Is that something I hear falling into the septic tank?

[PH2050]

I'm sorry, I know I shouldn't respond to it. For some reason, I couldn't help myself.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

It's OK fellows, Romo is up and walking off the field under his own power!

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Summer is over. 247 comments.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

This one doesn't count.

[Suthenboy]

Unrelated to any topic tonight, but interesting.

I have a figurine I picked up in the Andes depicting a ritual human sacrifice. The bunch who made it were very isolated and spoke no spanish or english, just quichua. Despite having zero modern education or access to any kind of mass communication, they depict in great detail the method and tools used. I finally got some of them to admit that the practice continues to this day, but "not us! the others, over the mountain range, they still do it, but not us!". Uh huh, sure.

At first what interested me was the knife depicted. It is shaped like a small pizza paddle. I had seen this same style knife depicted from mexico to chile, which made me think the practice of human sacrifice and cannibalism was culturally related continentally and over wide ranges of time.

Tonight my wife was watching a silly TV show which included a Wendigo. I had read about that legend long ago, so I boned up. What caught my attention about it was the physical depiction of the Wendigo, a horned, half-man, half-beast that eats human flesh. I dug out my clay figurine from Bolivia and had a look. Sure enough, the killer is wearing a mask and appears to be a horned, half-man, half-beast.

Cannibalism must have been a widespread practice in stone age America, so much so that all the rituals and legends from pole to pole were culturally related.

Anyone have more info on this?

[Sevo]

..."so much so that all the rituals and legends from pole to pole were culturally related."

No info; an opinion.
Humans evolved probably only once (with some admixture of failed lines like Neanderthals and turd [above]), so I doubt they were culturally related so much as hard-wired into the critters regardless of the distribution.
Again, opinion.

[Suthenboy]

Hmmm. That did not occur to me. The other cultures I know of that have practicing cannibals, had a different mythos surrounding the practice; namely having to do with witches and souls, nothing resembling the wendigo critter.

But now I think looking at Asians and europeans might shed more light. I am not sure what their practices were, but I am sure they had them.

[Sevo]

"had a different mythos"
How different? The Driuds adopted Stonehenge. It was there, they didn't have to build it, it sort fit, they changed some this's and that's. Hey presto!
Fantasies are malleable.

[Sevo]

"Fantasies are malleable."

As in Xians and 12/25.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

Couldn't even get winter solstice right.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I'll ask my buddy. He's really into native american history.

Disclaimer: He's done a lot of acid, and last time I hung out with him, at a bachelor party, he claims to have been abducted by a Wendigo. The Portland police found him naked in the forest. Other than that, he's reliable.

[Suthenboy]

Other than that......ok then. I eagerly await his.....uh...input.

[Sevo]

"Other than that, he's reliable."

Um, OK.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

That is an awesome story in that its awesome regardless of whether his claim is true.

[Suthenboy]

Whether his claim is true? *snicker*

I am pretty sure I know whether his claim is true or not. By pretty sure I mean onehundredfuckingpercent certain.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Sure, just automatically discount the Wendigo myth.

Racist.

[Suthenboy]

Oh, come on now. I didn't say I didn't believe in Wendigos, only that I don't believe that guy was kidnapped by one.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Oh, so you don't think Wendigos are capable of kidnapping a drug addled man and leaving them naked in the woods? That's only something an Anglo-Saxon boogeyman could do?

Racist.

[John Titor]

That's just what the fucking Wendigo wants you to think.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

I forgot to mention: I was the one who picked him up at the police station the next day. We barely made our flight.

Apparently, the Wendigo was also a cab driver. I asked him how the Wendigo fit his antlers into the cab, and obviously, the Wendigo drove the cab with his head out the window the whole time.

Yes, this guy is a corporate lawyer.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

"I asked him how the Wendigo fit his antlers into the cab"

Wendigos can surely take different forms when performing union-mandated duties.

[Azathoth!!]

Did he say why it didn't eat him?

[Irish]

Disclaimer: He's done a lot of acid, and last time I hung out with him, at a bachelor party, he claims to have been abducted by a Wendigo. The Portland police found him naked in the forest. Other than that, he's reliable.

I did not see this coming, but I'm glad I was here to witness it.

[Sevo]

BTW, we all took over the swings on the Sonoma city commons while the city fathers were cooking that ox on the spit.
We got there about 2AM; they were all drunk, we'd all had some blotter.
Amazingly, we got on just fine...

[Bo Cara Esq.]

I'm not sure something has to be widespread to invoke a widespread, archetypical visceral mythos. Some things really bother and haunt the 'collective unconsciousness'

[JeremyR]

According to the history channel, it's because aliens.

But really, I've always thought Wendigo were skin & bones, creatures doomed to always be hungry because of their cannibalism became a curse.

[GILMORE]

"Anyone have more info on this?"

A little

[Suthenboy]

Thank you.

[GILMORE]

Also useful might be this, which is the original 'great work' on the anthropology of mythology.

[Sevo]

Campbell makes me nervous...

[gaoxiaen]

The police want to look in your freezer.

[Irish]

Thomas Frank has a sad.

Thomas Frank: "We are such losers"
Liberals yearn to believe in post-ideological blank slates -- and get disappointed every time. Will we ever learn?

No. Because you are idiots and your ideas are wrong.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Thomas Frank irritates me. I find him to be the mirror image of the attitude I argued against earlier common among some conservatives and libertarians, that the fact that most blacks vote contrary to our values is best explained by the fact that they are ignorant dupes of black and Democrat leaders. Likewise Frank can't imagine working class whites finding anything valuable in conservatism and the GOP because, well, they don't support funneling other people's money to them!

[Irish]

In fairness, a lot of working class whites are stupid dupes who vote on retarded, tribalistic social issues. The same is true of many black people, many Asians, many Hispanics, almost all men and almost all women.

Saying most black people vote for stupid reasons isn't wrong, since most everyone votes for stupid reasons. The problem is that people tend not to realize that the people on their 'side' are just as prone to idiocy and culture-war nonsense as their opponents.

The real issue with Frank is that he used Kansas as his example, despite the fact that Kansas is actually a very successful state. Kansas has had low unemployment for decades and has a pretty high standard of living given how cheap it is to live there. Frank didn't actually bother looking at the statistical evidence of Kansas' success because he's a moron who would rather write a barely literate polemic than actually look at such bourgeoisie niceties as 'facts' and 'evidence.'

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Umm,

http://www.kansascity.com/opin.....62538.html

[Irish]

Um.

Yeah, they've had an unemployment rate below the national average pretty much every month since 1990. At the peak of the recession, their unemployment rate was a full 3% lower than the national average, and today it's still about 1% lower.

Kansas has been tremendously successful based on all available unemployment and income data, and one article does not disprove 25 years of unemployment statistics.

[Bo Cara Esq.]

er,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L....._by_income

[NotAnotherSkippy]

*Ahem*

http://www.missourieconomy.org.....of_living/

[SIV]

... once you factor in the 8,300 jobs lost in local and state government ranks since 2011.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/opin.....rylink=cpy

Cutting taxes AND cutting government!

Sam Brownback is pretty good for a snocone.

[SIV]

This guy has a career ahead of him at the CDC.

[Pl?ya Manhattan.]

The most transparent administration ever:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....y/?hpid=z2