Hillary Clinton Wants To Repeal Section 230
Her comments are a reminder that this free-speech protection is far from safe.

Hillary Clinton said on CNN this weekend that repealing Section 230 of federal communications law should be a top political priority.
The former secretary of state's comments are a reminder that this vital protection for free speech is far from safe, even if we seem to be on the other side of peak anti-230 politics.
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Why Politicians Hate Section 230
For anyone who needs a quick refresher: Section 230 protects digital service providers and users from liability for the speech of others. It's really that simple, despite a lot of misinformation about Section 230 that gets thrown around. Section 230 is why Facebook isn't liable if someone uses its messaging system to set up a drug deal; it's why Reason isn't liable if one of our commenters posts an actionable threat.
The law is vital for allowing free speech to flourish online, because without it companies would have a strong incentive to suppress much more user-generated content. It's vital for companies that want to rein in certain sorts of speech on their own specific platforms as well—allowing them to moderate and suppress spam, hateful rhetoric, pornography, or any other types of speech they find objectionable. (It does not require the moderation of these types of speech. It merely makes it OK for companies to do so without taking on additional legal liability.)
A lot of politicians hate Section 230 precisely because it makes it more difficult for them to censor what is said online, while others hate Section 230 because it allows private companies to avoid hosting speech the politicians like. The bottom line is that both Democrats and Republicans would like to weaken or abolish Section 230, and that doing so would give government authorities more control over the internet.
During Donald Trump's presidency, he was an enthusiastic advocate for repealing Section 230. This sort of anti-230 sentiment and action from both major parties has continued into Joe Biden's. And while anti-Section 230 sentiment has quieted down a bit in recent years, Clinton's comments serve as a good reminder that a lot of powerful people still have it out for this law.
Clinton's Recent Comments
"We should be, in my view, repealing something called Section 230, which gave, you know, platforms on the internet immunity because they were thought to be just pass-throughs, that they shouldn't be judged for the content that is posted," Clinton told CNN host Michael Smerconish on Saturday.
Clinton makes this sound like some sort of aberration or anomaly. But a lot of platforms are basically "pass-throughs" for the speech of others, and not holding them responsible for content they didn't create themselves isn't crazy at all. If a person on private property engages in speech that is somehow criminal, we don't hold the property owner liable. If people use the telephone to hatch criminal plans, we don't arrest the phone company. If I use a Sharpie and to write you a threatening letter and then send it in the mail, you can't sue the makers of Sharpie or the U.S. Postal Service.
Some argue that entities like X and Instagram and TikTok are more like a newspaper than the postal service or a phone company or a physical building. But newspapers employ editors to make conscious decisions about the content that they publish. They do not allow anyone to use their pages to broadcast their thoughts, as social platforms do. And the fact that social platforms do try to reject certain sorts of content doesn't magically make them cognizant co-creators of everything everyone publishes.
In her CNN interview, Clinton went on to make the ridiculous but all too common suggestion that social media companies aren't actively monitoring and moderating content. "If the platforms—whether it's Facebook or Twitter/X or Instagram or TikTok, whatever they are—if they don't moderate and monitor the content, we lose total control," she said.
Politicians love this myth too. It implies that if the government could just pass laws requiring tech companies to do better, all the bad stuff online will go away.
In reality, social media companies devote massive resources to moderating content. But the nature of these platforms means that no matter how watchful they are and no matter how much bad stuff they filter out, some objectionable or criminal speech will get through no matter what. Moreover, some speech that politicians find objectionable is content at the core of free speech. There's no amount of neutral content moderation and suppression that will satisfy them; they think companies should have to suppress ideas they don't like, stories that make their side look bad, and so on.
Clinton told CNN that "national action" to regulate tech companies "should be at the top of every legislative, political agenda." And alas, no matter who wins the presidential election in November, we're likely to see a leader who wants to weaken or abolish this law. Not only does Trump oppose Section 230, but Democratic nominee Kamala Harris has been crusading to weaken Section 230 since her days as attorney general of California.
The president cannot unilaterally abolish Section 230, of course. But he or she can push for Congress to do so, and many members of Congress have proved all too happy to take up this agenda already. The president can also order federal agencies to interpret Section 230 in ways that could weaken its protections, as Trump tried to do with the Federal Communications Commission in 2020.
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Whatever Hillary Clinton wants no longer matters.
Hillary is irrelevant, though, she doesn't realize it.
Crazy does that to people.
People should, daily, thank Trump for keeping that thing out of the WH.
Hillary is so high on her own hubris that she thinks her words carry the infallibility of a god.
The fact that she’s still above ground annoys me. She is a good for nothing rotten cunt.
Yep. She's been done for nearly 8 years, but I guess no one told her.
Are you sure? Anyway, don’t leave Section 230 alone in a cell if she’s anywhere near.
230 didn't protect backpage...
This is a woman who's campaign paid to get a dossier of misinformation from a Russian via a former British intel officer.
Will Trump defenders defend Hillary for supporting the repeal of Section 230, or will they suddenly discover that they like Section 230 now that someone they wish was dead wants it repealed?
Dude, what is your obsession with Trump defenders?
Here's an idea, let them speak for themselves and quit projecting what you think about them.
All I did was ask a question.
Why do you care so much? You jump in at the slightest perceived slight against Trump defenders. You get personally offended. There's only one explanation I can think of.
To be fair, half your comments mention Trump defenders.
""There’s only one explanation I can think of.""
Thanks for demonstrating my point. I'm not offended in anyway, but you project that I am.
You asked a question that had your own binary answer bias built in. You could have commented something constructive about the issue at hand, but you went to Trump followers right out of the gate. And you wonder why people claim your TDS.
Just sayin.
You’ve never said a word when Trump defenders engage in organized attacks against those who do not worship The Donald. Yet you attack me every single time I say "Boo" about His defenders.
Your biases and allegiances are clear. Don’t pretend otherwise.
Let's rephrase that, shall we?
Aside from the self-awareness, it's telling that you cannot distinguish "support" from "worship".
I can tell the difference. There are those who support him but recognize when he’s wrong. The ones who worship him defend literally everything he says and does. They’re pretty obvious. If you can't tell the difference then that's you, not me.
Yet you never do distinguish the difference.
The ones who attack me for the slightest slight against The Donald are worshipers, not defenders. I don't need to distinguish them. They distinguish themselves.
Poor sarc.
The people who can recognize areas where he’s wrong still support him because to make the other choice in this binary election cycle would be batshit crazy. That is not worship – that is a decision coming from an existential imperative.
If\when the D(bag) party resets to a REAL center or at least moderates their crazy enough not to threaten the existence of personal freedoms – maybe we can have a discussion on the matter. Until then you assume facts not in evidence.
Your problem is....
Your biases and allegiances are a MILLION TIMES MORE clear.
Don’t pretend otherwise.
I see a small amount of bias and allegiance; but it's NOTHING compared to your own. I supported Section 230 during Trumps Administration and attack on it. Did you notice that? Not a single "Trump Defender" as you call us supported him signing the 'Cares Act'. Did you notice that?
Yet you continue to project your own TDS bias and allegiance.
It's because you have a leftarded brain. The [WE] Identify-as gang RULES political ideology w/o principle. The left is more than twice party-allegiance oriented than the Right and that has been noticed in Congress by any non-biased shill. Yet all the [WE] Identify-as party shills want to do is PROJECT their own gangland political views onto everyone else. It fits right into their inability to hold themselves responsible for anything and is the roots of every legislation they pitch (make those 'icky' people pay for my life mistakes).
You’ve never said a word when friends of my ex engage in organized attacks against me.
You're like a jilted lover who has to make every conversation about his ex and tries to shoehorn everyone you talk to into teams of those on the side of your ex and those backing you.
Don't you always complain about people stating what you don't say? Lol.
Sarc is always the victim.
No offense, but like Hamas, you get upset when you poke the bear and the bear growls at you.
Perhaps cut that shit out?
I'm not the one who is upset.
You asked the question unprompted when nobody had said anything.
It clearly is bothering you. Otherwise, you would not do it incessantly.
You’re that guy following someone out of a bar because they laughed at something that offended you. Is that an IRL pastime as well?
Why did you ask the question? Seems like all you can add to any discussion is "what about trump supporters" so naturally people are going to comment on it
It was rhetorical.
It isn't perceived. It is an obvious bait in attempt to rile up a conversation about Trump so you can argue about him, your favorite topic ever since you contracted terminal TDS.
You should hear those on the left when they are openly criticized.
They are likely confused and not sure what to do with this.
The cognitive dissonance must be painful.
Hillary is retarded... she's attacking the very thing that allowed the federal government to outsource censorship to the social media companies.
Well that a statement of the complete opposite of what Section 230 says.
Will Trump defenders defend Hillary for supporting the repeal of Section 230, or will they suddenly discover that they like Section 230 now that someone they wish was dead wants it repealed?
Is it physically painful for you, being this fucking stupid?
Hillary Clinton is usually on the wrong side of most issues and when she’s not, it’s because she thinks she sees an angle for a new government trick.
So if she’s pushing this, it’s a fair wager that it’s for the wrong reasons.
I bet it's for the same reasons why most politicians, including Trump, want to see it repealed.
If by same you mean complete opposite, sure.
Democrats want to repeal 230 because they, wrongly, think it keeps them from holding certain* media liable for the things their users post (even though they’ve been largely effective at coercing and cajoling them to fuck with anyone/anything that goes against the governments approved narrative).
Republicans want to repeal 230 because they think it keeps those companies from being held liable for violating their own TOS and has been used as a backdoor to allow the alphabet agencies to fuck with anyone/anything that goes against the governments approved narrative. (This is pretty well documented.)
And by the way, If the power dynamics were an exact 180 (meaning all these tech bros were conservative/right sympathetic and they had demonstrated the same level of manipulation in favor of their policies) I would expect the two sides to be flipped, at least at the politician level.
*Certain because you know it won’t be applied evenly to all websites.
So if she’s pushing this, it’s a fair wager that it’s for the wrong reasons.
^exactly this!
JD Vance is wrong about Section 230.
Sqrlsy will be along shortly to explain why using clear English.
Sqrlsy must be an absolute mess right now. Well... more than usual anyway.
He loves Hillary dearly, but he just spent the last four years trolling the fuck out of everyone who criticized 230's Good Samaritan clause.
The owner of that sock is busy right now. Give the lad more time.
Give the AI more time to get loaded?
Let's discuss §230 honestly, shall we? It only exists because our judicial system is so far removed from justice that Big Tech's customers have no simple, fast, and cheap way to hold Big Tech to their own Terms of Service, or to their implied marketing promises.
* They delete posts and cancel accounts with an opaque appeals process that only works for the luck few who can get the media on their side.
* Yet their marketing is full of bragging how their systems keep people in touch with family, friends, and customers.
* That's out of whack. It should be a crime, not a civil tort, to promise one thing, betray that promise, cause thousands or millions of dollars in damages from all the lost customers, and shrug their shoulders and say "You violated our ill-defined terms of service."
So the courts fell back on §230 by chance, and now everyone defends it as if it's the God Damned First Amendment of the Internet. It ain't. It's a license to delete posts and cancel accounts with impunity, because the last thing Big Tech or the government wants is to let Joe Blow sue Big Tech for violating their own terms of service. Better to hide justice behind class action lawsuits costing millions of dollars and taking years, than let individuals take them to court in days and get decisions in any reasonable time frame that actually does any good.
Fuck §230. It's just another Stupid Government Trick, one more bandaged piled on top of all the previous filthy bandages, hiding the injury deeper and deeper, out of sight, while the politicians and cronies debate new bandages better able to cover up the festering mess that they created.
No. Section 230 came about in the early 90s as a result of several lawsuits when the internet was in it's infancy. I didn't read the rest
The Communications Decency Act of 1996, not "the early 90s", was struck down as unconstitutional except for §230. The courts and politicians then latched on to it as I said.
For a nitpicker who refused to read further and has been shown to be wrong in his own nitpicking way, perhaps you ought to go back and read a little further now.
okay, please excuse me. The lawsuits that eventually led to section 230 arose in the early 90's and had nothing to do with customers holding "big tech to their own terms of service". They were about whether service providers were legally at fault for content generated by their users.
Great. Now finish explaining how politicians and courts latched on to §230, and then explain why it was necessary, which is, as I said, to protect Big Tech from customers complaining about excess moderation in the form of unjustified post deletions and account cancellations.
Step by step, that is the conclusion you arrive at.
I'll leave that to you and Hillary Clinton.
Thank you for admitting that you have no idea what you're talking about.
Thank you for admitting you are ideologically aligned with Hillary Clinton.
This was a retarded attempt a a counter.
Hillary wants control. The other person wants companies held to same standards as non big tech.
I've never seen his handle before or his typing style. He seems more black and white than sarc. I bet he doesn't hang around long.
I still don’t get this “Play retarded in order to cast aspersions on the internet.” pathos.
It doesn’t take a genius, or even a particularly bright person, to see that if person A wants to pull down a tree limb in order to beat someone to death and person B wants to pull down a tree limb to maintain the tree’s hygiene, the two people are temporarily pragmatically aligned but are in no way ideologically aligned. Further, that anyone saying “Oh, the first guy just wants to pull down a limb for reasons as benign as the second, they're ideologically aligned.” is between dishonest and evil.
I cannot fathom why Reason, and others, continue to retard themselves like this. Haitians aren’t eating *pets*… You don’t need id to buy *groceries*… 13,000 immigrant murderers aren’t *on the loose*.
Even in trying to call out relative ‘truthiness’ it’s absurd. “Nobody’s broadly calling for explicit material in schools, it’s just a one off…” vs. “OMG the entire State banned a book!” or “OMG Republicans are panicking about trannies in the bathroom.” vs. “If you don’t validate trans identities, they’ll all commit suicide!” type of things where, even if you don’t take one group at their explicit word, they’re still pointing to a problem, while the other group is explicitly trying to obfuscate or downplay an issue or relatively overplay a non-issue or an issue they caused or are deliberately aren’t solving.
Thank you for admitting you are ideologically aligned with Hillary Clinton.
Oh FFS.
There's a world of difference between those who dislike the Good Samaritan Clause because they want Social Media to behave like common carriers, and those who want to be able to censor the internet.
Bake the fuckin cake. That's what you want, right?
Bake the fuckin cake. That’s what you want, right?
Is this why your side had a temper tantrum when Musk bought Twitter?
"I said, to protect Big Tech from customers complaining about excess moderation"
Frankly; If it's 'Big Tech' property they can moderate it however they see fit. Part of ownership rights and all.
Section 230 shouldn't be corrupted to void legal action on terms of service and as far as I know it has never been corrupted that way. Needless to say the 'corruption' of it isn't the thing itself.
Let’s discuss §230 honestly, shall we?
OK. You’re one of the better commenters to try to have an honest discussion with…so…sure.
It only exists because our judicial system is so far removed from justice that Big Tech’s customers have no simple, fast, and cheap way to hold Big Tech to their own Terms of Service, or to their implied marketing promises.
I agree that 230 has been over broadly interpreted such that content creators have been limited in their ability to hold media companies to thier contractual obligations.
But to get rid of 230 is to throw the baby out with the bathwater. 2 things will happen nearly instantly once 230 is removed.
1 Hillary and the establishment will get exactly what they want: the ability to limit online speech.
2 Media companies will add a at any time for any reason clause to their ToS and negate all the benefits conservatives expect to gain with the end of 230. And yet again, conservatives will become victims of the laws they help create.
"I agree that 230 has been over broadly interpreted such that content creators have been limited in their ability to hold media companies to thier contractual obligations."
Is this the part where the beleaguered right wing "content creators" get 100% of their money back from those evil left wing media companies which operate free-to-use social medial platforms?
It’s the part where conservatives are banned from a platform and courts don’t consider their complaints because they use 230 as an easy out.
Fixed precisely by the ‘X’ platform. As it should go.
Granting ‘government’ that authority will only come back and byte Republicans in the *sses when Democrats use it to prosecute 'X' for user content.
"and shrug their shoulders and say “You violated our ill-defined terms of service.”
Ill-defined and constantly changing terms of service.
YouTube content producers need a team of lawyers of their own to keep abreast of the constantly evolving YouTube ToS/demonetization scheme.
Who?
That decrepit old man in the photo used in the story.
Hillary Clinton is a deranged old woman who, in her own mad mind, continues to believe she is relevant. Since her loss to Trump eight years ago, she has allowed it to fester and grow, much like a tumor until it becomes plain to any thinking person that Hillary is mentally ill. she has never gotten over her defeat at the hands of those voters.
Her hatred for those who do not follow the leftist, extremist policies are out in the open. She has made it clear, she wants her opponent imprisoned.
If that doesn’t scream totalitarianism to anyone, then nothing will.
Now do Trump. You won't have to change that many words.
Hillary Clinton is a deranged old woman who, in her own mad mind, continues to believe she is relevant.
[Donald Trump] is a deranged old [man] in [his] own mad mind, continues to believe [he] is relevant.
Huh, for an 'irrelevant' guy, he sure continues to dominate headlines literally everywhere.
And dominates sarcs thoughts.
There was more than one sentence in JZ's post.
You see? You brought up Trump out of the blue. So much for your altruistic take-down of Trump worshipers.
Please, explain how attacking Hillary is attacking you, or worshipping Trump.
Sarc has defended every government abuse against Trump or his supporters. But now he wants to be the victim when people point it out. From Trump is Hitler to Trump is a felon to defending the murder of Babbit, sarc is the real victim.
Make shit up. Argue against it. Tell sarc he doesn't know what a strawman is.
Out of the blue?
Since her loss to Trump eight years ago, she has allowed it to fester and grow, much like a tumor until it becomes plain to any thinking person that Hillary is mentally ill. she has never gotten over her defeat at the hands of those voters.
Hard to read that and not see how it could easily apply to Trump and his defenders.
So sorry Hillary lost, Sarckles, but your eight years of trolling have been more than enough revenge.
Holy fuck. Do you think about anything (anyone) else?
For anyone who needs a quick refresher: Section 230 is the last remaining vestige of a law that people, people who need Government/Congressional assurances that the trolls aren’t hiding under their bed or closet waiting to eat them, continue to support and advocate. It really is that simple.
It doesn’t pre-empt criminal law. It doesn’t protect users. It’s right there in the title. Protection for Good Samaritan Blocking and Screening of Offensive Material. Who's doing the blocking? Service providers? Who's providing the protection? Congress. So Congress passed a law regulating content on the internet in direct violation of the 1A? Yes.
The text of the law isn’t so difficult that you should need Elizabeth Nolan Brown to provide a lie to you in the form of a summary.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230
I didn’t see any contradiction there what-so-ever.
“Good Samaritan Blocking” protection is part of ownership rights. Always has been. Without it; protesters could claim right-away rights on your own property under the 1st Amendment. Changing it to an *entitlement* to. Rights have to be *inherent*.
Without it; protesters could claim right-away rights on your own property under the 1st Amendment.
Look, we already knew you would play stupid in order to destroy the Constitution and people’s freedom, you don’t have to show us all how many different ways you could or would do it.
The term you’re trying to use is right-of-way, and its existence in common law, long, long before your Mom gave you FAS, doesn’t and didn't require you to violate the 1A and slur religion onto property rights in order to recreate a poorer, more stupid version of the 1A, property rights, various forms of trespass, etc.
Nothing about Section 230 "requires" you or any social-media to violate the 1A either. Those "requirements" you are concerned about are being handed down by Democrat Congressmen (well known by now).
The only thing repealing Section 230 would do is put legal warfare behind those Democrat Congressmens letter-of censorship "requirements".
The Right thinks they can use the repeal of Section 230 to force content; The Left thinks they can use the repeal of Section 230 to force censorship. Gov-Gun FORCED media (one way or the other) doesn't uphold the 1A.
Democrats and Republicans would like to weaken or abolish Section 230, and that doing so would give government authorities more control over the internet.
No it would not, because those companies are still covered under the 1st amendment.
A lot of politicians hate Section 230 precisely because it makes it more difficult for them to censor what is said online, while others hate Section 230 because it allows private companies to avoid hosting speech the politicians like.
Section 230 has been the greatest censorship-enabling provision-- specifically allowing platforms to censor MORE speech at the direction of government officials because it gives them civil liability protections for censoring material that politicians find "objectionable".
Let's go through Section 230, word for word, phrase by phrase:
(c)Protection for “Good Samaritan” blocking and screening of offensive material
This section header indicates to the reader, that the following set of provisions is to give the platform protection for actions taken on their own, to block and screen "offensive material". Why on earth would we need a law protecting companies for blocking "offensive material"? Isn't there a 1st amendment? What was section 230 anticipating that required special protections for these platforms in the realm of "blocking and screening"? Methinks the "communications decency act" may have had something to do with that.
Next:
This is a fairly simple provision, all it says is that the provider will not be treated as the speaker of someone posts stuff on their website. Now, that's not an unreasonable section, but again, why would we care if they were the speaker of information if that information is protected by the 1st amendment? If they are not treated as the publisher, why then are actual publishers still in business if they're treated as the speaker for everything they produce? Is Random House considered the speaker or publisher for the books it publishes? Again, this section was created because it was part of a law that was going to criminalize a whole segment of speech that the politicians deemed "lewd, offensive or otherwise objectionable" -- ie, speech that was fully protected by the first amendment.
Next section:
The first important phrase here is Civil Liability. This means this section strictly deals with civil law, NOT criminal law. The attached statement merely says that no company will be held civilly liable for everything that follows.
So, again, we are asked why these platforms get special civil liability protections-- immunity, really-- for blocking material that's offensive, even if that material is 100% protected by the first amendment?
BECAUSE THE COMMUNICATIONS DECENCY ACT WAS MAKING A LARGE SWATHE OF SPEECH ILLEGAL, AND THE LAW DEMANDED AGGRESSIVE CENSORSHIP ACTION ON ALL OF THE INTERNET PLATFORMS! It was a section that protected them from civil liability if they swept up too much speech into the woodchipper.
Again, Random House doesn't get these protections, The New York Times doesn't get these protections, Penguin Books doesn't get these protections-- because they weren't required by law to police previously protected speech in the Communications Decency Act. Only communications companies were-- ie, internet companies.
Last section:
but again, why would we care if they were the speaker of information if that information is protected by the 1st amendment? If they are not treated as the publisher, why then are actual publishers still in business if they’re treated as the speaker for everything they produce?
probably because the internet is used for more than just speech and some speech is criminal or legally punishable. e.g. liable, defamation, incitement etc. This is why section 230 exists.
And why nothing equivalent for phones, also used criminally?
Not my fault if you don't understand the differences between phones and the World Wide Web.
But it is your fault for thinking the 1A only applies to phones, not the WWW; that the web does not get freedom of speech.
It's right in the title. "Communications Decency Act". Not "WWW Decency Act".
The first amendment applies to all forms of speech and communication but you have bastardized the concept to mean "private companies do not have the right to censor content they don't like or disagree with." What is to prevent a company from modifying their terms of use to "we reserve the right to delete or not publish ANY content we dislike or find inappropriate"? It seems to me what you really want is a Fairness Doctrine for social media companies.
It's real simple. Companies publish a Terms of Service. All their marketing pushes how they help people stay in touch and reach new customers and new communities. That's false advertising if they don't actually do that, it's fraud.
Then along comes a political statement they don't like, or the government doesn't like, and they delete posts and cancel accounts. This is not for spam or porn, this is for political statements.
Have they violated their own marketing and Terms of Service? Yes they have. What can you do about it? You have some choices:
* Sue them. It will cost a fortune and they will out-lawyer you ten to 1, and you will lose, and it will take years.
* Class action lawsuit. Good luck with that! Even more expensive, even longer.
And in both those cases, even if you win, it's years later and your customers have found other businesses. If it's family and friends, you've found other ways to stay in touch.
* Or you can get government to freak out and take your side.
All §230 does is make it legal to delete your posts and cancel your account in the name of the CDA, which otherwise violated the First Amendment, and §230 was their face-saving measure paying lip service to the 1A in the hopes the courts wouldn't strike down the CDA. But courts did, but left §230 in place because it didn't violate the 1A.
So now Big Tech has legal cover courtesy §230 to delete posts and cancel accounts, when the correct solution is a judicial system which doesn't make it so expensive and slow to hold Big Tech to their marketing promises and their Terms of Service.
And you think that's fair? You think wanting customers to hold Big Tech responsible on their own, without needing class action lawyers and more government laws, is siding with Hillary Clinton, is asking for more government laws?
Buddy, you got a real strange idea of what individualism means. I'm one of the most extreme individualists on here, taken a lot of shit for hating Stupid Government Tricks, and you come across as an absolute political rookie if you think I support more government and Hillary Clinton.
I can't wait till you take sides with sarc and think I worship Trump.
Follow the link in my handle if you dare. Personally, I think you ought to read a few books and think before you post. You're sure not going to get anything worthwhile out of my link.
Tell me you’ve never read Meta or Twitter’s Terms of Service without telling me you’ve never read Meta or Twitter’s Terms of Service.
You’re sure not going to get anything worthwhile out of my link.
no argument there
Thanks for not reading any of my detailed analysis which discussed why section 230 exists. This is NOT why section 230 exists. The first Amendment covered all entities previous to section 230. Section 230 exists because it was part of the Communications Decency Act-- an act that specifically sought to criminalize speech that was normally protected under the 1st amendment.
your welcome
That speech is still criminal/legally punishable without 230…
Correct. Section 230 limits the criminal liability to the person that committed it. As it should be. At least that’s what it should do. Section 230 has already been neutered by FOSTA-SESTA so it seems likely you and Hillary Clinton will eventually get your way.
That was already the standard before 230 dumdum.
PJ O'Rourke, in his book on economics wrote about how Journalists were highly susceptible to group think, bandwagoneering and catch-phrases. In that book, he wrote about how everyone in the media was calling the 2000 stock market crash "just like the Dutch Tulip Crisis".
While researching his book on economics, he talked to a well known economist and O'Rourke said to him, "yeah, it's just like the Dutch Tulip crisis!" At which point, the economist said, "Yeah, not really..."
I think I've had quite enough of "Section 230 is the first amendment of the internet!"
Always be suspicious whenever the government or any of its worker bees suggest to make changes to our rights.
Section 230 didn't give you any rights, it gave special protections to a class of companies-- companies which are already fully covered under the 1st Amendment.
Unless, if Clinton has her way, if someone posts something she doesn’t like on one of those companies websites.
When did 1a protections go away?
The ability to command one's own creation is "special protections"?
From what? Government? That's right; it's protecting ownership rights.
Yeah, how much more "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act" can you get?
Again, I'll never understand the "If I play retarded and emote enough about a similar thing, people will sympathize with me and see that I'm right." ideology. Especially given the way it's used and abused in trivial comparisons that even children should/would reason their way through correctly even abiding the relative comparison or irrationality.
"Sure, handing someone a gun is in no real way comparable to handing them a pen and paper, but if gun manufacturers were making shadowlists of people whom their weapons should be targeting and selectively controlling who could and couldn't point them at any given person, on behalf of and with protection from Congress, I would support that the same way I support Section 230." - ObviouslyNotSpam
Section 230 does not say Congress is exempt of the 1A.
Repealing Section 230 would put legal weight behind Congress when it tries to violate the 1A (under 'user-content' prosecution).
As-if Harris prosecuting backpage didn't demonstrate exactly that.
If backpage survives Harris's Censorship attack; it'll be because of Section 230.
“we lose total control”
Waitaminute, she does, get it!
^BINGO^ +1000000000000000 Great Catch...
""If the platforms—whether it's Facebook or Twitter/X or Instagram or TikTok, whatever they are—if they don't moderate and monitor the content, we lose total control," she said.
[WE] lose total control
[WE] lose total control
That makes a ton of sense put into the perspective of all those Democrat politicians letters-of-censorship requests sent to media outlets.
And yet ENB, I am sure you supported Hillary. It was her turn, right?
Welcome aboard hilldabeast. You'll regret it later.
How journalists see section 230:
Reality:
I was surprised to learn/remember that neither Myspace nor Friendster (let alone facebook) was even a gleam in someone's eye in 1996. Must have been Geocities and AIM or some shit at that point.
Yes, because Twitter/X are no longer controlled by Big Government, and Rumble, Gab and Truth emerged.
Therefore, Section 230 can't exist. Only those subservient to big Government can have protections.
What else would one expect from Chairman Mao reincarnated as Wannabe Chairwoman Maw.
Exactly. Hillary became an opponent of 230 the day Elon bought twitter/X.
"Xitter." You know it makes sense.
Yes, because Twitter/X are no longer controlled by Big Government, and Rumble, Gab and Truth emerged.
Hey. If you want to use any of those platforms, have at it. I'll even support the right of those companies to moderate or not according to what they feel will benefit their users the most, just like Sect. 230 allows.
Sooner or later, though, a social media platform depends on its reputation for being a useful and enjoyable place to be. Being a haven for scammers and conspiracy theorists and hucksters selling snake oil supplements will always limit their user base.
Not if that's exactly what people want...
Like when X was twitter and the journos used it to amplify leftist talking points and conspiracy theories... then to be picked up by legacy news and amplified more.
More like they depend on "Journalism Gov-Grants".
The 2nd biggest curse on the subject.
Subsidizing STUPID doesn't mean everyone enjoys listening to STUPID.
Hitlery is just saying what the leftist fascists think.
So, don’t be so hard on her.
At least she’s open and honest about suppressing and controlling what people say and think.
With that said, the US dodged a major bullet by not electing this fascist sow.
It is kind of a blessing that they are so open about it (her and John Kerry and the whole WEF crowd). Yet somehow it's still a conspiracy theory that global elites want to control information to make it easier to manipulate and rule us.
If only there were reporters with the balls to ask her the hard questions.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
After the DNC convention and free vasectomy trucks, our 90% Democratic media are finally ball-free.
Hillary’s botched land deal, her failed SoS gig, and her motorcade have killed more people than my firearms.*
* one firearm was originally issued to a socialist nation that had a civil war. I can’t be sure whether it was used by a person before me to take any lives.
Jesus fucking Christ, people. Section 230 isn’t the issue. Nor is Hillary’s bullshit about supposed “threats to children” by social media.
It’s chum thrown out to get people arguing over irrelevant legalities, as opposed to the fact that Hillary (and her regime buddies like John Kerry) have been arguing for the destruction of the First Amendment because they see it as a barrier to their desire to have complete, top-down control of the flow of information on the internet. This bitch has literally been arguing that anyone who puts out anything SHE deems “misinformation” needs to be given prison time. She's openly talked about "reeducation" for the digital kulaks. She’s flat-out admitted that it’s about control, and that there are venues outside of it that her buddies can’t completely throttle. It’s why they’re so manic about a made man like Musk openly defying them.
The issue isn’t the issue. The issue is what gives them more power and advances the revolution.
230 is not so straight forward. As this article says, sites can be considered a common carrier. Like the phone company isn’t a party to some crime committed using the phone lines.
However, 230 should not ideally protect sites with user generated content that is moderated or highlighted by the site. That is the equivalent of the phone company listening in to the conversations where crime is being committed. Or better yet, if you dial a phone number and the company redirects the call to a known criminal operation.
There should be a way to get past 230 when the site operators are censoring, moderating, or promoting user generated content.
Difference being; Social-Media platforms don't own the access point to the www connection. Social-media IS NOT a 'common carrier'.