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FCC Won't Fulfill Trump Order for 'Regulations to Clarify' Section 230

Plus: Trump concedes on reinstated Twitter account, Cabinet resignations keep coming, and more...

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Trump's Section 230 plans thwarted again (thank goodness). It looks like Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Chairman Ajit Pai never quite found the time to "propose regulations to clarify" the meaning of Section 230, as he was instructed to do by President Donald Trump in a summer executive order. Pai told Protocol and C-SPAN that with Trump's presidency coming to an end, he would not be moving forward with new FCC rule-making about the internet law.

The full interview with Pai won't be aired until this weekend. But Protocol has published some highlights, including this exchange:

On Oct. 15, you said that you intend to move forward with a rule-making for clarity on Section 230. What's the status of that?

The status is that I do not intend to move forward with the notice of proposed rule-making at the FCC.

Paiwho has generally been respectful of free speech and free markets in his FCC tenurehas never shared some of his colleagues' enthusiasm for gutting Section 230, and was (thankfully) never well-suited to do Trump's bidding on this front. How it would have played out if Trump got another term is anyone's guess, but in this reality, we're in the clear.

Pai told Protocol that with the Trump administration on the way out, it simply didn't make sense to carry forward with the rule-making. "Given the results of the election, there's simply not sufficient time to complete the administrative steps necessary in order to resolve the rule-making," he said. "Given that reality, I do not believe it's appropriate to move forward."

Asked to elaborate on his own thoughts about Section 230, Pai was a bit vague. But his answer illustrates what has always seemed to be the core of his objection to intervening: that whatever merits or not there were in Section 230 reform, it wasn't the FCC's place to weigh in.

If you could, what do you think should be done on Section 230?

There's now a bipartisan consensus among elected officials that the law should be changed. Obviously the president believes it should be repealed, President-elect Biden has campaigned repeatedly on its repeal, but within Congress there appears to be a consensus also that it should be revised or reformed in some way. Obviously in terms of changing the law, that's a decision for lawmakers to consider, but I do think there are certain bipartisan consensus areas forming regarding how it should be revised.

It's a very complicated issue, one that I think Congress will have to study and deliberate on very seriously. I personally would think about it more carefully in terms of the immunity provision, for example, but those are the kinds of things that I think the next administration and Congress will think about very carefully.

Pai's answer also illustrates an alarming truth about the war on Section 230: It's not going away when Trump leaves office. President-elect Joe Biden and a huge swath of Democrats are also eager to abolish or restrict it, albeit for generally different reasons than their Republican counterparts.


FREE MARKETS

Trump concedes on reinstated Twitter account as Cabinet members keep resigning. Facebook has indefinitely banned Trump's account and Twitter temporarily suspended it. Upon returning to Twitter on Thursday night, Trump posted a video conceding the 2020 election. "A new administration will be inaugurated on January 20th. My focus turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly, seamless transition of power," he says.

Meanwhile, a number of Trump's Cabinet members are making last-ditch attempts to disassociate with him. Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao and Education Secretary Betsy DeVos resigned on Thursday. On Wednesday night, former Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, now U.S. special envoy to Northern Ireland, resigned.

Deputy National Security Adviser Matthew Pottinger, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Intelligence and Security at the Commerce Department John Costello, Acting Chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers Tyler Goodspeed, and Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Matthews have also resigned since Wednesday, as did the First Lady's Chief of Staff Stephanie Grisham and her Social Secretary Rickie Niceta.


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Did Trump incite the Capitol riots? "Can President Trump be impeached and removed on the grounds of incitement?" ask Volokh Conspiracy bloggers Josh Blackman and Seth Barrett Tillman. "Both of us were shaken by the events of January 6, 2021. Over the past several days, President Trump has taken actions that heedlessly risked third-parties' violating trespassing laws, the destruction of public property in and around the Capitol, and the ability of federal officials and civil servants to perform their legal duties. Yet, we again feel an obligation to hit the pause button," the law professors write.

In this post, we consider only two factual allegations with respect to incitement. First, on December 19, President Trump tweeted, "Be There. Will be wild!" Second, on the morning of January 6, Trump gave a speech on the White House Ellipse that stretched more than an hour.

Given the requirement of imminence, our view is that Trump's December 19 tweet, about an event more than two weeks away, would not be sufficient under Brandenburg's incitement standard. The speech he gave the morning of January 6 on the White House Ellipse, however, presents a closer call. You can find the full transcript of his remarks here. We think the final two minutes of the speech are the most salient portions for an incitement analysis, starting at 1:35:00.

[…] Trump makes two relevant points. First, he said, "And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don't fight like Hell, you're not going to have a country anymore." The better view, all things considered, is that Trump was doing no more than telling his supporters to engage in constitutionally protected speech, and not telling his supporters to physically "fight." Here, the "fight" referred to a legal, or political process, to obtain "election security." His earlier reference to "cheering" on the "brave Senators" reinforces this reading. We don't think any court or other neutral adjudicator could fairly construe "fight" to mean a physical brawl.

Many press accounts have taken the "fight like hell" comment out of context. For example, a reporter asked Michael Sherwin, the acting U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia whether President Trump, "who had urged the crowd to 'fight like hell,' before the rioting began," could be criminally charged. Sherwin replied, "We are looking at all actors here, and anyone that had a role, if the evidence fits the element of a crime, they're going to be charged." The "fight like hell" comment cannot from the basis of an incitement charge. The more difficult comment is Trump's urging people to walk to the Capitol.

Trump said "we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue." He continued: "we're going to the Capitol and we're going to try and give . . . our Republicans . . . the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. So let's walk down Pennsylvania Avenue." (We used ellipses to omit Trump's verbal frolics and detours between tangents.) Here, the President was urging his constituents to march from the White House to the Capitol to protest the proceedings. The phrase "pride and boldness" could be interpreted as a call for physical boldness, but we are skeptical. The better view is that Trump was urging people to protest against "weak" Republicans who would not support objections to the certification of certain state's electoral vote. Indeed, Trump said that "Democrats are hopeless" and the people should not waste time on them.

(Volokh Conspiracy co-founder and UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh and Florida International University Professor Howard Wasserman also doubt that the speech qualifies as incitement.)

Blackman and Tillman go on to discuss the constitutionality and applicability of impeachment charges. Read the whole thing here.


QUICK HITS

  • Publishing house Simon & Schuster has opted to cancel Sen. Josh Hawley's (R–Mo.) book contract and he's trying to frame it as a First Amendment violation:

  • Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick has died from injuries he suffered "while physically engaging" with rioters on Wednesday. Sicknick "was only the fourth member of the force to be killed in the line of duty since its founding two centuries ago," says The New York Times. The circumstances surrounding Mr. Sicknick's death were not immediately clear, and the Capitol Police said only that he had 'passed away due to injuries sustained while on duty.'"
  • At least six state legislators (Republicans from Michigan, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia, and West Virginia) were at the Capitol protests and riots on Wednesday. Video shows West Virginia Del. Derrick Evans among those breaking into the Capitol building (the lawmaker himself posted but then later deleted the video); others were merely at outside protests.
  • Tariffs on purses, makeup, and other goods from France are on hold.

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  1. Pundits and politicians are still coalescing around scapegoating tech companies for Trump supporters’ antics and violence.

    It will be the ultimate deplatforming triumph.

    1. Hello.

      Wow. I knew humans are hypocrites. Dante did a great job poetically describing this. But ooof. The last two days were such that I decided it’s time to mentally disengage from things.

      Gonna stack up on essentials. Quietly enjoy life, continue my journey on reading the classics, and try to avoid the sickos around me.

      We’re in a sick, hysterical, deluded, misguided and idiotic world. It’s a dark age.

      Enjoy Joe fricken Biden and Kamala Harris.

      1. Rufus, you will be missed here, but I can guarantee you that your mental health is going to improve immensely by disengaging from the bullshit. And it’s all bullshit. See you in the funny papers.

        1. Always loved the people in the comments here.

          The last exodus made things less fun and eccentric.

          I’m afraid the hold outs will also be exiting soon.

          Heck, we even lost John!

          And ENB will have the floor with Tony and the gang.

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          2. I’m getting bored with the place myself. Every anti-GOP rumor is Truth, everything bad we can see about the Dems is Russian disinformation, or soft peddled.

            Harris is going to be the demagog authoritarian we’re supposed to be afraid Trump was, and Reason will occasionally just whine a bit.

          3. Agreed Rufus. I took a good vacation away from this during the holiday and was much better for it. Spend some time on you, and if you do come back, you will be better for it.

            I still have hope that one day Reason will find some libertarian contributors that aren’t completely revolted by the right while giving unyielding benefit of doubt to the left. Until they can find it in themselves to get some of that ideological diversity, this place and the comments primarily work to fund the company that handles my blood pressure medication.

            1. Good luck, it’s never ever going to happen. This is exactly what Mango, Welchie Boy, and presumably their tiny handful of billionaire benefactors want Reason to be: almost indistinguishable from the New York Tines and Washington Post.

            2. I am enjoying victory, clingers.

              Seems getting stomped has made some of you losers cranky.

              Right-wing bigots deserve nothing but sadness, so everything is on course. Toward American progress!

          4. If we ever lose Fist, whichever Koch is in charge will surely cease funding Reason

            1. Unless I am that Koch. Hehe, could you imagine? [beady eyes darting nervously]

          5. In all seriousness you will be missed please reconsider after some time away

            1. Stealing my name, eh? Yeah. I’m out too. Tired of giving this shit site views.

          6. Yeah, unfortunately it looks like the worst bastards in the world are going to win. We had the Enlightenment, so now I guess it’s time for The Great Extinguishment. Onward to progressive world government and the subsuming of the individual.

            1. It’s a cyclic thing. Europe had a Dark Age once the Romans fell apart.

              I wonder how much of this society will be allowed to be remembered. The Romans just kinda fell apart, there was no effort made to erase their existence, I worry that won’t be the case this time.

              Those Europeans at least got to see the ruins of the Roman Empire, surrounded by evidence that the world used to be better and people used to be smarter. That kind of evidence is not politically expedient this time and the current left has a penchant for canceling and memory-holing things they find distasteful, it’s like Fahrenheit 451 except they’re going to burn EVERYTHING.

          7. Oh, don’t want to be hear to watch the emporer fiddle as his men abondon him and his hill billy treadon cult? Don’t blame you. How about the rest of the treadon crew do the same? A little time out while you contemplate how exactly you came to find yourself in the side against the constitution.

            1. Ok. Swipe autocorrect is even worse. You all get the gist.

              1. Yeah, we get it, you’re dumb.

                1. He’s so dumb he couldn’t even read a 6 letter name properly

                  R Mac, I’ve said it once, I’ll say it again: why do you insist on making your 2 digit IQ so apparent?

                  R. Truth
                  January.7.2021 at 7:09 pm

                  LOL

                  I mean, fuck how fucking stupid is that? You argue with so many people and are so stupid that you can’t even keep track.

                    1. The idiot DOL thought someone was you because the names are superficially similar.

                      The “you have a low IQ” thing was just the *smooch* chef’s kiss.

                    2. Lol. Good old DOL. He never disappoints.

            2. There’s more of that good faith discussion you claim to want.

              1. Did you read the cato article on good faith I linked for you yesterday?

                1. Did it say anything about insulting someone’s intelligence that’s not even on the site because you can’t read a handle?

      2. Sounds like we have reached the “lamentations of the women” stage.

        Rufus seems a strange name for a girl, but whatever.

      3. I wish you well, Rufus.

        I think you’ve got the right idea.

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  2. The U.S. reported a record high of more than 4,000 COVID-19 deaths on Thursday.

    Until congressional Democrats, after months of rhetoric spurring on the violence, were finally pressured into issuing a plea for the virus to stand down.

  3. At least six state legislators (Republicans from Michigan, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia, and West Virginia) were at the Capitol protests and riots on Wednesday.

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  4. The circumstances surrounding Mr. Sicknick’s death were not immediately clear, and the Capitol Police said only that he had ‘passed away due to injuries sustained while on duty.’

    Unfortunate death but this passive voice is, even for law enforcement, strange.

    1. There are only 2 causes of death right wing extremists and Wuhan virus

    2. I’m guessing he had a reaction to the tear gas released in the building, hence the vagueness

      1. My thought too. The media leaves it open to the wrong interpretation as usual.

      2. I’m guessing he had a reaction to the tear gas released in the building, hence the vagueness

        Which also makes me curious about the other 3 people who had the “medical emergencies” in the wake of the police action.

        1. Getting shoved off a high platform or ledge by a cop, and falling a bunch of feet, can certainly qualify as a medical emergency.

          Imagine if the first Floyd riots were treated this robustly by law enforcement.

        2. Daily Caller answers this question.

          One man had a stroke. One man had a heart attack. One woman was trampled as police pushed a crowd backward. One woman was shot by police in the chest/neck.

          The policeman died of an aneurysm, following a head injury involving combat with civilians.

  5. Publishing house Simon & Schuster has opted to cancel Sen. Josh Hawley’s (R–Mo.) book contract and he’s trying to frame it as a First Amendment violation…

    I tried the same thing against Publishers Clearinghouse when they refused to have Ed McMahon hand me a big check.

  6. Baruch Dayan Ha’Emet, Brian Sicknick. May his soul be bound up in the bonds of eternal life.

    1. ACAB, amiright?

      1. huh? What?

      2. Only right-wing extremist domestic terrorist militia drumpf supporters would disparage our brave boys in blue like that.

  7. House Dems are moving rapidly toward impeaching ⁦@realDonaldTrump⁩ again. It will easily pass the House. Pelosi is furious. Question is will Senate Republicans flip.

    Well, if Pelosi is pissed, by all means. Not sure what violation they would be going for here.

    1. Pissing off Pelosi?

    2. Inciting a riot, you disingenuous asshole.

      1. Tweeting mean stuff, you stinking pile of lefty shit.

        1. I’m hoping if they do try him they’re able to work something in about Russia. I mean, people want to hear the classics, right?

          1. I loved the 80s.

          2. Play Taking Care of Business, now! NO NEW CRAP!

          3. Back in the USSR. You don’t know how lucky you are, boy.

      2. that has a legal definition you retard

    3. Trump not going to Biden/Harris usurper party in Washington Jan 20.

      Democrats are trying to stop Civil war 2,0 they started and cant.

      Woodchippers in Georgia have already been started. Raffenberger went into hiding.

  8. Both of us were shaken by the events of January 6, 2021.

    And you thought 11/9 was our generation’s 9/11.

  9. Trump concedes on reinstated Twitter account as Cabinet members keep resigning.

    No one wants to work on transition teams with Biden’s picks.

    1. You’re on a tear this morning.

    2. What exactly is the point of resigning when you only have 2 weeks left to serve? Do they give 2 weeks’ notice?

      1. If Trump resigns before the end of the term, does that mean it doesn’t count as a first term? It’d be fun to make the claim anyway.

  10. Pai—who has generally been respectful of free speech and free markets in his FCC tenure…

    Too bad he refused net neutrality and now I can barely even post this comment on the internet because my ISP has throttled my online speech.

    1. Odd that she didn’t refer to her buddy Mike Masnick on his take on Pai.

  11. Trump’s Section 230 plans thwarted again (thank goodness). It looks like Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Chairman Ajit Pai never quite found the time to “propose regulations to clarify” the meaning of Section 230, as he was instructed to do by President Donald Trump in a summer executive order.

    So insurrection and insubordination and violations of the law are good again? I’m confused as to when following the law is a good thing and when it’s a bad thing, I guess I’ll just have to rely on my betters to tell me.

    1. It’s ok. It’ll all work out under Biden.

      1. Chairman Biden will put an end to war and poverty. He will align the planets and bring them into universal harmony, allowing meaningful contact with all forms of life, from extraterrestrial beings to common household pets.

        1. It’s a return to decency! And with Harris it will be doubly decent!

          Trump is going to look like an angel in a few months time.

          1. Hey, Nixon was ‘rehabilitated’ a few years after he was out. It could happen.

      2. Yup. Can’t have a sycophant like Pai making rules up on his own just because Trump asked him to. Much better to have a career maverick like Biden will appoint do what Biden tells him to do.

      3. Biden to Trump years ” hold my Beer”

    2. In the corporate world, an upper manager will get some big up their butt and give some dumb order to do something. Middle management will often ignore stupid orders, calculating the odds the upper manager really cares and will follow through.

      With Trump it was a safe bet he would not have the attention span to follow through on whether his Executive Order, drafted up during some tantrum. Pai took the risk, and Trump didn’t, you know, as chief executive.

      1. Fuck off and die, asshole.

      2. If more of teh deep state had done what Trump asked we would be in a better place instead we got disruption that caused more problems so they could blame it on Trump. they did it to Bush II and they doubled down for Trump. they have no problem destroying the country so they can regain office

      3. Right out of Yes, Minister.

      4. Here’s Dee supporting unelected bureaucrats defying the elected president because she doesn’t like that president.

        1. Sort of looks exactly like that treason he is always on about.

          1. Orange Man Bad.

    3. No, Resistance! is only okay while Trump is in office.

  12. People are starting to realize what is about to happen…

    Glenn Greenwald:

    There’s absolutely a new War on Terror being initiated — it’d been lurking for awhile, but it’s accelerating now for obvious reasons. This new one is aimed inward, domestically. It entails many of the same frameworks.

    They’re saying it explicitly:

    Scott Adams:
    From now on, it appears that every legitimate protest will be infiltrated by bad actors perpetrating violence and destruction. That’s the beginning of the end of public protest. Free speech is already half gone.

    For me, I realized it a few days ago when I really started to think about the implications of the left getting away with such obvious fraud. Everyone was saying “now we’ll never have honest elections again!” and I realized, why would they limit it to elections? They can strip away every right using the same level of brazen fraud. They can be as hypocritical as they want. We can’t do anything. There is no recourse. Unless…

    I don’t know how exactly, but we need to invent new ways of networking that they can’t track. Either go offline or plan more protests off social media.

    It’s fun to bitch and moan but maybe we should grow up. Old fashioned protests aren’t working anymore (if they ever worked) and the idea that a conservative version of Twitter will do anything but delay the inevitable is laughable to me.

    1. Oh. It’s finished. We’re done. America couldn’t hold the line.

      The values gap can’t be bridged anymore. Where once the civil discourse in polite company could end with ‘we agree to disagree let’s go for a walk’ is no more. It’s a serious cultural and spiritual breakdown.

      Take the hysteria around the pandemic. Why would I want to be around an idiot who doubles up on a mask? To me, it’s not someone I want in my life.

      Where in the past I could lightly dismiss and move on, I can’t anymore because that person’s irrational behaviour now prevails through policy. They’re a direct threat to MY liberty.

      I don’t know what happens from this point on so I’m just going to get out of the way because the credentialed psychos in nice suits from Arkham are in firm control.

    2. Search for “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to Online Anonymity”

      It’s got some good tips for everyone at every skill level. Might have something you’re looking for.

      1. interesting, I’ll check it out

    3. Good for Scott Adams but this has been known for awhile. COINTELPRO was exposed by a break in of an FBI office back in the early 70s leading to the Church commission. Wouldn’t doubt if the FBI had infiltrated various groups involved in the rioting and instigated the criminal behavior.

      1. True why else would the capital police let protesters through the gate unless they recognized some of the infiltrators. False flag operations

        1. Or they don’t want to be the ones to shoot someone, either for moral or career reasons.

          Containing riots became unacceptable over the last summer, particularly in Democrat run cities like DC. If I’m a DC cop looking at what’s happened over the last year, and what was happening in DC right then, it would be easy to decide that letting them through was a better career move than stopping them.

          1. “Or they don’t want to be the ones to shoot someone, either for moral or career reasons.”

            This. Not everything is a conspiracy. Most things aren’t, if only because people are venal and dumb.

            But it is interesting that Congresscritter’s seats in their respective Chambers, already had pre-packaged escape hoods or PAPRs underneath them…

        2. It seems pretty obvious that they let this ‘burning of the Reichstag’ moment happen by design. Why the massive police presence at BLM protest but virtually nothing at this protest? What would BLM have done if given the same thin blue line when they were there? It’s a double win because now they got Biden & big mama Michele out calling the different levels of deployment racism too.

          1. What would have happened if the people that tried to storm the White House this summer had gotten through?

    4. I too am pretty dismayed. I don’t recognize my country any more.

      However, consider that this isn’t just about “them” tracking us. We are all creatures of habit. We- by our very nature- look for facts that confirm our bias. Nobody is immune to this and it is a trap we all can fall into. The internet, for all its beauty, is so full of information that you can confirm any bias you want. Whether you believe masks work or don’t work, there are studies, graphs, and statistics to support that world view. The internet is infinite bubbles curated by us for our own personal bias.

      I remember having epic debates in middle school on all sorts of issues. And, I was expected to represent BOTH sides of the debate to demonstrate that I could critically understand the facts on both sides. Today, my kids are expected to pick one side of the debate and argue it. And many debates are actually forbidden in the class because they are too controversial. Our family used to discuss issues at the church community center and my dad would argue with folks at the bar.

      But today, that is mostly gone. In face to face discussion, political disagreement is the way to destroy friendships. At work, at church, at bars- no matter where you are, it is no longer polite to discuss these issues, and so everyone continues to be exposed only to their bubble. And that is egged on by the media- on both sides.

      Going “dark” on some sort of private chat system isn’t going to fix things. We as a society need to learn how to have debate again. We need to stop the demonization of the other, and engage in real conversation, or people will continue to believe that the “other” side is irredeemable, and unworthy of a conversation.

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      2. There is no longer any need for debate.
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      3. One of the problems I’ve had is that progressives I know won’t avoid topics like politics and insist that everyone put their beliefs on the table. They won’t just get off it and talk about something else. Then they puff themselves up with shock and outrage when anyone says they disagree. Weirdly, even agreement often sets them off now, because no one can agree with them *enough*, in the right way, using the right words, etc. They fundamentally can’t leave anyone alone who disagrees with them even slightly about anything. I’d love for them to go their own way, but they insist on dragging everyone else along. I typically respond to them in deliberately ambiguous ways that leave them unsure of what I’m saying or whether they should be outraged. They try to provoke me in various ways to tease out what I really think, but because they genuinely don’t understand anyone else’s perspective, they’re not good at that. I avoid these people when I can, but some of them are in my family. How do you go dark in your own life?

        1. What if someone felt exactly the same way, and told them so? Too suspicious sounding? Like they know their own opinion is outrageous, therefore not credible, so anyone who either agrees or disagrees with them is outrageous. Or basically, everybody’s a creep but them.

      4. Good “argument”. My dead friend David Lindelof apparently invented cancel culture in the 1960s. I got to know him only in the late 1980s but he told me that in the 1960s he put an ultimatum to his friends, saying he’d no longer be friends with anyone who wouldn’t forswear support for Nixon. Apparently he lost a lot of friends in one stroke that way, and years later he was still glad he issued that ultimatum. I told him I thought that was creepy, or some other word to that effect. (Of course I found Nixon creepy too, but still….)

  13. Donald Trump is planning to invoke martial law and expel all RINOs from Washington as we speak. This great patriot will not let ANTIFA and COMMUNISM win the day and take our GOD GIVEN freedoms from America. Once that poser Roberts is purged from the Supreme Court we’ll all know who the real president is.

    Twelfth Amendment here we come!!

    1. I’ve been hearing a lot of interesting things. Including this thing from Leonardo in Italy. I want to believe it.

      Either Trump really is a lying blow hard narcissistic twit or he really had something up his sleeve all along.

      1. I think that is a parody.

        At this point, I think the only thing Trump could do, besides the miscellaneous anti-China policies he has imposed since election day, is declassify state secrets. But that would pose tremendous risk to him, his family, and his career.

        I heard about the Italy thing too. The idea of Obama diverting the pallets of cash meant for Iran toward rigging the election shorted a fuse in my brain and I had to take a break from getting news on Twitter.

        1. Trump said he is not attending the Biden usurper event Jan 20.

          Lefties are looking for Biden legitimacy and trump wont give it to them. HAHA. Lefties always looking to find legitimacy behind their tyrannical takeovers.

    2. Poor unreason staffers and their bots.

      The contesting of EC votes was the 12th Amendment dummies.

  14. Now a Capitol police officer is dead because of Trump and all of you who are his loyalists. Fuck off, seditionists!

    1. How about the business owners killed during blm riots? Trumpism isn’t a group it’s only an idea

      1. Exactly. What about antifa? What about tyrants like Bowser and Lightfoot ruining the lives of countless people for not complying with their corhoaxavirus lockdown? What about white apologists deplatforming conservatives across the country?

        One dead hero in a small price to pay for the Twelfth Amendment to restore Trump’s rightful place as president. He is really owed a third term at this point as compensation.

      2. Fuck you. Whataboutism doesn’t wash the blood off the hands of any of your Trump fans.

        1. Fuck you with a running chainsaw, you lying pile of lefty shit.

        2. TWK- you really are broken. Everyone here has said that the riots were unacceptable. And your sudden outrage over a cop is SO DISENGENUOUS given your previous postings that it isn’t even funny. It is just pathetic.

          1. I mean seriously, dude. Have you no shame?

            You have posted endless “Fuck you” after “Fuck you” for the past three days, acting as if the death of 6 people is some sort of unique national tragedy. It is absolutely relevant that you could not even find an OUNCE of opprobrium for the hundreds dead- including dozens of police- over the summer. Because it shows that in fact YOU DON’T CARE ABOUT THIS COP.

            And don’t you dare fucking accuse me of having blood on my hands. I have been disputing these Trump conspiracy theories for two months. And I continue to call our that chump for his nonsense.

            Your desire to stand on this dead cop’s body, and only this body, to condemn your ideological adversaries is immature. More than that, it is insulting. It is insulting to those dead you have ignored this year, since they weren’t important enough for your political games. It is insulting to the people you try to smear with your 8th degree guilt by association. But most of all it is insulting and dehumanizing to those people that died this week by rendering them down to nothing more than in inhuman rhetorical club with which to wage your shitty little internet flame war.

            1. “It is absolutely relevant that you could not even find an OUNCE of opprobrium for the hundreds dead- including dozens of police- over the summer.”

              You mean pushing back against the conservative narrative that there were zero peaceful protesters and that everyone was a rioter? The same conservatives who are whining and crying about being associated with the asses who trashed the Capital. Seems only fair to lump every Trump supporter with the rioters So why don’t you fuck the fuck off.

              1. “there were zero peaceful protesters and that everyone was a rioter?”

                Cite, hypocrite?

              2. “You mean pushing back against the conservative narrative that there were zero peaceful protesters and that everyone was a rioter?”

                No, Sarc. This is different.

                TWK is saying that because these people support Trump, they “have blood on their hands” and their side is now not worth conversation. As if it is Jesse’s fault that a cop died on Capitol Hill.

                Did TWK shout down every person on the left with “Fuck You!” because some bernie-bro attempted to assassinate a sitting congressman? Did he shout “Fuck You” at DOL because “his side” included the antifa fuckers who killed Michael Dorn?

                No. That is because his outrage over this cop dying is complete theater. He doesn’t like Jesse or the Trumpers. He never has, and he never will. And he is standing on this cop’s body in the same cynical manner as Gun Control advocates who shout “The time for debate is over” as they use dead school kids as their rhetorical highground.

                If you cannot see how that ruins any form of conversation, Sarc, I don’t know what to tell you. You are too far broken to be worth the effort.

                1. What he’s doing is no different than how Jesse and others treat anyone who disagrees with them.

                  1. Oh wow. He is no different from Jesse. I thought you liked TWK.

                    But fair enough. Then he should accept that he should be taken as seriously as I take Jesse.

                  2. “Oh wow. He is no different from Jesse.”

                    Um, no. He’s just treating people the way they treat him. And they’re flipping out. I find it to be hilarious.

                    1. sarcasmic
                      January.8.2021 at 12:22 pm
                      What he’s doing is no different than how Jesse and others treat anyone who disagrees with them.

                      sarcasmic
                      January.7.2021 at 10:46 am
                      what·a·bout·ism
                      /ˌ(h)wədəˈboudizəm/
                      nounBRITISH
                      the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.

                      ladies and gentlemen, sarc once again proves to be a drunk idiot

                    2. I’m finding great humor in this amazing hypocrisy.

                  3.  sarcasmic
                    January.8.2021 at 12:22 pm
                    What he’s doing is no different than how Jesse and others treat anyone who disagrees with them.

                    sarcasmic
                    January.8.2021 at 10:21 am
                    But, but, but the other team did it first!!!1!!!!one!!!1!!

                    ahahahahahahah omfg he’s so stupid AHAHAHAHAHAH

              3. “You mean pushing back against the conservative narrative”

                Did a conservative steal your wife? Is that why you think they’re hiding under your bed?

            2. Dee’s gonna need to see copies of all the death certificates from over the summer to believe you.

              1. Notarized copies.

        3. Just because you say whataboutism doesn’t make your hypocrisy any less obvious.

    2. But, but, but the other team did it first!!!1!!!!one!!!1!!

      1. Suck that authority dick

      2. Dude, you were excusing political violence all last year. What happened that you suddenly don’t like it anymore?

        1. Except I never excused anything. That’s a false narrative.

          Last year I tried to point out that not every protester is a rioter, that some of the protesters had a point, and was accused of supporting rioters by those who blame every BLM person for the destruction.

          Now the conservative who said there were no protesters and only rioters are trying to distance themselves from the Trump rioters.

          So it’s only fair to blame every Trump supporter for what happened in the Capital.

          1. “sarcasmic
            January.8.2021 at 12:25 pm
            Except I never excused anything. That’s a false narrative.”

            Right but you’re a known liar and we all saw you do it.

    3. I can’t keep up. Are cops heroes or villains today?

    4. “Now a Capitol police officer is dead because of Trump…”

      Stuff your TDS up your ass; your head wants company, asshole.

    5. “because of Trump”

      cite?

    6. LOL. Are you one of those wankers who is declaring Wednesday “the darkest day in our nation’s history”?

  15. https://www.politico.com/story/2009/04/inside-obamas-bank-ceos-meeting-020871

    But President Barack Obama wasn’t in a mood to hear them out. He stopped the conversation and offered a blunt reminder of the public’s reaction to such explanations. “Be careful how you make those statements, gentlemen. The public isn’t buying that.”

    “My administration,” the president added, “is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.”

    1. 28 Times Media And Democrats Excused Or Endorsed Violence Committed By Left-Wing Activists
      https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/07/28-times-media-and-democrats-excused-or-endorsed-violence-committed-by-left-wing-activists/

      1. It doesn’t matter.

        They control more than the ‘means of production’. They control the ‘means of communications’: Media, academia, Hollywood, Wall St. All of it.

        Call them out all we want….doesn’t matter.

        Think of it. You’re a ‘conspiracy theorists’ if you dare ask legitimate and logical questions about, say, vaccines or masks. This is a natural outgrowth of calling everyone a ‘racist’. It corrodes the intellectual and philosophical mind first externally and then internally.

        The world is shutting down. The Middle-Ages lasted long enough that it was divided, to the extent you can divide human existence, into three parts: Low, Middle, High.

        We’re clearly somewhere between low and middle. All that shit we’re feeding kids has to pass through. This will take generations before we can re-enter a new ‘Renaissance’.

        This is where we stand. This can’t go on.

        Listen. The Obamas are considered ‘class’ and ‘intelligence’. Kamala Harris is described as a ‘beautiful soul’. Joe Biden – a career corrupted street hoodlum – is President.

        This is the years of the ‘Bad emperors’. This hastens the fall. It’s doesn’t promise anything hopeful for America and the West.

        Just like intellectuals and sound minds stayed out of the way retreating into their ‘enclaves’ to ponder, observe and write during various hysterical and superstitious episodes in history, so it is now.

        1. The pandemic is a perfect example. It’s not established science driving this. It’s not reason.

          It’s ‘new science’ rooted in emotions and appeals to authority.

          A truly logical society firmly grounded in reason and science does NOT behave this way. It doesn’t ‘bend a knee’ to a mask and then claims to be virtuous and ‘scientific’.

          1. I slightly disagree. This is a value decision. Even if we had a 100% accurate scientific estimate of the deaths, people are still deciding to trade freedoms. As they did at 9/11.

            This is why I never tried to argue the effectiveness of masks with those people- it comes down to whose numbers are to be believed. You need to attack the values- either you value freedom or you don’t. Either you place ownership of your own health on the individual or you put it in the hands of kleptocratic despots.

            1. Good point. I concur.

    2. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/01/07/kamala-harris-called-riots-a-movement-last-summer-said-they-should-not-stop-n1310640

      In June 2020, in the aftermath of the nationwide rioting following the death of George Floyd at the hands of a Minneapolis police officer, Kamala Harris even gleefully predicted that the rioting wouldn’t end, telling Stephen Colbert, host of “The Late Show,” that they shouldn’t end.

      “They’re not going to stop. They’re not going to stop,” she told him. “This is a movement, I’m telling you. They’re not gonna stop. And everyone beware because they’re not gonna stop. They’re not gonna stop before Election Day and they’re not going to stop after Election Day. And everyone should take note of that. They’re not gonna let up and they should not.”

    3. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/01/enough-with-the-outrage.php

      Democratic Party journalists have joined the party’s politicians in excusing riots. The New York Times, for example, published an admiring profile of Antifa. The Washington Post, likewise, has carried water for Antifa.

      …And let’s not forget James Hodgkinson, even though every reporter in America apparently has. Hodgkinson was the Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer who tried to assassinate the entire House Republican baseball team and very nearly succeeded, inflicting grievous and permanent injuries on Congressman Steve Scalise. Hodgkinson was not the usual 20-something loner, he was a middle-aged union official who was not insane, but just full of hate. His Facebook page was festooned with over-the-top attacks on Republicans, taken directly from speeches by Bernie Sanders and every other prominent Democrat.

      Sanders issued a one or two line statement distancing himself from his volunteer’s would-be murder spree. But neither Sanders nor any other Democrat wondered whether Hodgkinson’s attack was related to their own crazed conspiracy theories (Russia hoax, etc.) and other lies that they routinely direct against Republicans.

      This could go on and on, but the point is obvious: Democratic Party politicians and reporters have no standing to complain about political violence (let alone mostly peaceful protests) until they get their own house in order.

  16. Twitter allows these tweets:

    China Daily: Study says gender equality promoted among Uygur women, ‘making them no longer baby-making machines’
    https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/07/china-daily-study-says-gender-equality-promoted-among-uygur-women-making-them-no-longer-baby-making-machines/

    Study shows that in the process of eradicating extremism, the minds of Uygur women in Xinjiang were emancipated and gender equality and reproductive health were promoted, making them no longer baby-making machines. They are more confident and independent.

    — Chinese Embassy in US (@ChineseEmbinUS)

    1. Intelligence analysts downplayed Chinese election influence to avoid supporting Trump policies, inspector finds
      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/intelligence-analysts-downplayed-election-interference-trump-inspector

      “Given analytic differences in the way Russia and China analysts examined their targets, China analysts appeared hesitant to assess Chinese actions as undue influence or interference. The analysts appeared reluctant to have their analysis on China brought forward because they tend to disagree with the administration’s policies, saying in effect, I don’t want our intelligence used to support those policies,” Zulauf concluded, saying this behavior violated analytic standards requiring independence from political considerations.

    2. Is that what they call sterilization?
      I guess it removes the ability to make babies…

  17. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1347170973557030914.html

    We were just subjected to four years of idiotic “Resistance” role-playing – and serious destructive action by Democrat loyalists in our vast bureaucracies and courts – based on the notion that America stops being a legitimate nation when Democrats lose elections.

    Well, you irresponsible power-hungry totalitarians have no right to be surprised that people who don’t like YOU have decided to act out Resistance fantasies and question the legitimacy of the nation now. They’re following your lead. They’re playing your game. It looked like fun.

    YOU DEMOCRATS threw the “peaceful transition of power” out the window in 2016 and laughed uproariously while you did it. What a fun lark that was! How the Obama and Clinton loyalists congratulated each other on their stunning and brave acts of Resistance sabotage!

    America is either a legitimate nation with the right and duty to act in the interest of its citizens – no matter who wins what election – or it isn’t. The Left profited for decades by pretending it isn’t, especially when they’re not in power. Surprise! The message resonated.

  18. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1347154640039718912.html

    Either political violence is rejected in total – from everyone, for any reason, no matter who they are or what they believe – or it isn’t. Once the tolerance level is no longer zero, we become locked in a vicious and endless struggle to control exactly what the level should be.
    This is similar to the detestable way modern society handles racism. The tolerance level should be zero, but it isn’t. Racism, prejudice, and discrimination are acceptable from SOME people toward SOME people. “Anti-racism” is an instrument of totalitarian power, not a principle.
    Of course the particulars of protecting vital government facilities are different, but in principle the law-abiding residents and shop owners of Kenosha should have the same expectation of protection from political violence as politicians in D.C. But they don’t, do they?
    Every time a left-wing group gets violent, we’re immediately told the protest was Mostly Peaceful, and the people who assembled peaceably – and their political leaders, no matter how incendiary their rhetoric – are 0% responsible for any injury or destruction that occurred.

  19. https://www.facebook.com/larry.correia/posts/5134900719854149

    Because nothing bad could possibly happen from tens of millions of people believing that their votes will never matter again and the system is irreparably rigged against them in a country with billions of guns and nuclear weapons.

    Whew… And that’s just this year, after the last two decades of escalating tensions in a country filled with people who hate each other’s fundamental beliefs.

    Which brings us to now… Which is why when buildings start exploding and politicians get beheaded, I won’t be in the least bit surprised.

    And I’m usually the optimist. I’m seeing people I would consider boring vanilla normies, not gun culture people, not Trumpkins, not preppers, not even that political, now talking about violence and revolution like those are perfectly normal topics. Twenty years ago that was reserved for us internet gun nuts and taboo crazy talk for everyone else.

    Yeah… we are basically fucked.

    1. DEBUNKED CONSPIRACY THEORIES NOTHING TO SEE HERE MOVE ALONG IF YOU KNOW WHAT’S GOOD FOR YOU OR YOU’LL END UP ON THE LIST.

      1. YOU’LL END UP ON THE LIST.

        It’s probably to late.

  20. The only reason people want to gut section 230 is because there is no recourse. Google, Facebook, and Twitter already violate it, but any attempt to bring it to a court gets thrown out. This country does not have rule of law and people are right to be pissed about it

  21. https://pjmedia.com/uncategorized/stephen-kruiser/2021/01/08/the-morning-briefing-your-weekly-reminder-that-the-democrats-are-still-awful-n1323106

    In 2018, Nancy Pelosi told reporters she didn’t know why there weren’t “uprisings” over the issue of family separations at the southern border.

    “I just don’t even know why there aren’t uprisings all over the country, and maybe there will be when people realize that this is a policy that they defend,” Pelosi said during a press conference. “It’s a horrible thing, and I don’t see any prospect for legislation here.”

    1. Don’t forget Maxine Waters ” harass them where they sleep harass them where they eat…..” that was a call for violent insurection

  22. I’m trying to figure out how the unelected bureaucracy deciding that they don’t have to obey the lawful orders of the elected branches constitutes a triumph of liberty.

    Isn’t it pretty much the death of any chance we had to vote for liberty, because even if enough of us voted for it, they woudn’t give it to us?

    1. Our betters aren’t responsible to us because we are inferior.

      1. You’re not inferior. You’re just not SUPERIOR to everyone else just because you live in flyover country and have a salt-of-the-earth job. Get it now?

        1. You suck at this.

        2. Just curious what all constitutes a salt-of-the-earth job? Are we talking about working in the salt mines?

    2. I’m trying to figure out how the unelected bureaucracy deciding that they don’t have to obey the lawful orders of the elected branches constitutes a triumph of liberty.

      How does gutting 230, which would give more power to the government, constitute a triumph of liberty?

    3. Because it is the legislatures job to write laws. I wish we had more unelected bureaucrats and executives who knew this.

      1. You know exactly which bureaucrat and executive branch (state and federal) hates the constitution when they instituted mask mandates, lockdowns, and other unconstitutional Kungflu hysteria tyranny.

    4. It’s a triumph of liberty because orange man bad. Have you even been paying attention for the last four years?

  23. https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1347547675441455105

    Remember how after Bush was elected, the Left screamed that dissent was patriotic? And then when Obama was elected, dissent was suddenly racist? And when Trump won, resistance was not just patriotic, but compulsory? Well, dissent is racist again and resistance is now treason.

    1. Don’t care what asshole liberals think. Do you support what happened this week? Can you answer that question without talking about the left? I’m genuinely curious.

      1. Answered above – lock up all violent rioters. Letting the left get away with it encourages the right, and vice versa.

      2. I have been debating wether i support what happened or not. For sometime I think it may be its time to put fear back into politicians lives remember government should fear its people. Well unfortunately I think they do fear us and will only double down on oppressing those they disagree with. Heck i don’t think it they have stated they will even before Wednesdays riots. Hence maybe the need to riot. If they start prosecuting people then we are a true Banana republic and revolt may be required. Was Wednesday the opening shot I don’t know.

      3. Do you support what happened this week? Can you answer that question without talking about the left?

        No, because what happened this week is that the left won the election. Can you talk about this morning without talking about the sun?

        I wish it had been a meteor instead. I might also accept a N. Korean or Iranian nuke. Hopefully the electoral votes still get counted. Hopefully Biden wins. Hopefully he realizes that there are far more existential threats to the Republic than a few broken windows.

        1. Hopefully the electoral votes still get counted (in the situation where the Capitol was reduced to rubble by SMOD, nuke, or other).

        2. Biden IS that existential threat to the Republic though, or at least the people he listens to are.

          He has never struck me as a terribly self-aware person, he might learn something from the riots but whatever it is it won’t be the right lesson.

          1. I was referring to my hypothetical reality where a meteor or nuke raized the Capitol. I’d like to think getting inaugurated with the smoke from such an event in the background would generate some perspective in a significant portion of even the most dense individuals.

            But, considering that we have overweight white soccer moms complaining about the patriarchy in this country while women in the ME have their burqas torn off and get raped on the streets because they can’t drive, I suppose you’re right.

      4. ‘Do you support what happened this week? ‘

        Yes. I support it as the right to assembly. To protest a belief that something is not right. I will continue to support it, knowing full well that often these protests spiral into violence, usually driven by mob rule. What concerns me the most is the acceptance of ‘counter-protestors’ as a righteous response to any idea they disagree with. That mob violence and mob rule is a dire threat to free speech.

  24. “Trump’s Section 230 plans thwarted again (thank goodness). “

    The alternative to Trump’s reform of Section 230 is not the status quo. The alternative to Trump’s reform of Section 230 is the Democrat’s reform of Section 230, which is fundamentally worse. It’s fundamentally worse because forcing social media companies to tolerate the speech of conservatives is fundamentally superior to forcing social media companies to censor speech–even if neither option is good.

    Regardless, our opinions and arguments don’t have any salience anymore.

    That reality may take a while to sink in, but the new reality is that they don’t care what we think or what their own constituents think anymore. They will repeal Section 230, and replace it with a consent decree saying whatever they want, regardless of what you think, what I think, or what the voters think.

    Now that the Democrats have full control of all levers of government, there is nothing on which our opinions can gain traction. Before, we could persuade Republican voters to oppose something or the Democrat voters to oppose something. We could persuade Democrat or Republican politicians that they would lose a future election if they did x, y, or z.

    All of that is over.

    1. Now that the Democrats have full control of all levers of government

      I’m curious, how much of the blame do you lay on Trump that this happened? I know that you attempt to remove emotion out of your analysis, so I’m interested on what you think.

      1. I’m curious, how much of the blame do you lay on Trump that this happened?

        Not to speak on behalf of Ken but he delayed (parts of) it. Or do you really think things would be in better shape after 4 yrs. of Clinton?

        If you said in the alternate timeline that Clinton, Cuomo, Deblasio, and Newsom conspired to lock more people in assisted living to prevent them from dying of COVID, thereby killing 50% more people and then conspired with the media to cover up their murderous mismanagement, the least believable part is that the only killed 50% more people.

      2. I mostly blame the pandemic, the lockdowns, and the economic fallout for Trump’s loss.

        Trump’s policies were actually popular–even the ones I opposed, like Section 230 reform, immigration, and trade, were popular.

        To the extent that people voted against those policies because of Trump’s abrasive personality, and voted to enable policies they despise, like Medicare for All, assaulting our gun rights, the Green New Deal, and potentially packing the Court, the people I blame for that is the voters themselves.

        When I worked in a hospital, there was this one surgeon–the most obnoxious asshole I’ve ever met. He also happened to be the best surgeon on particularly dangerous but necessary surgeries that saved people’s lives. When the other surgeons had friends or family who needed this surgery, they sent them to him. If I chose a less than mediocre surgeon to do heart surgery on my child because the fantastic surgeon had a terrible bedside manner, then the person to blame for my foolish choice is not the obnoxious surgeon. It’s me.

        I regret that I failed to persuade enough of my fellow Americans not to shoot themselves in the leg, but at some point, we need to accept the fact that the voters who decided to shoot themselves in the leg are ultimately to blame for shooting themselves in the leg.

        1. But Ken, my God, the mean tweets!

        2. “If I chose a less than mediocre surgeon to do heart surgery on my child because the fantastic surgeon had a terrible bedside manner, then the person to blame for my foolish choice is not the obnoxious surgeon. It’s me.”

          That’s an excellent analogy. I’m gonna steal it.

      3. “I’m curious, how much of the blame do you lay on Trump that this happened?”

        I won’t speak for Ken, but in my view, Trump is Trump and people have made their choice. They own it. Romney carried 90% of Trump’s issues, other than the border and Tariffs and the public rejected him harder than the Orange Man.

        So it is pretty clear to me that the American Public would prefer liberalism, and globalist kleptocrats more than bombastic dufases OR milquetoast policy wonks that call for restraining the size of government.

        1. When I see people who are glad that Biden won, even the gloaters here in comments, I don’t see any of them making any kind of rational argument defending Biden’s policies.

          They were rooting against Trump for the same reason they cheer when the villain gets killed in an action movie. It’s all emotion.

          Also, they have no sense of cause and effect. The way the economy works or the outcomes of various policies–it’s all magic to them.

          The idea that what happens to them in the future is a result of the choices we make today isn’t necessarily foreign to all of them, but they either don’t have the intellectual capacity or the knowledge to see what the effects of their choices are likely to be.

          You and I knew that when Chavez nationalized the grocery stores and set the prices for food below market, the end result would be empty grocery shelves and the black market price of food going through the roof. The former victims of socialism in south Florida, apparently, have no illusions about the effects of that because they or their parents experienced it themselves.

          Remember that half the people in the world are of below average intelligence, and otherwise intelligent people may sometimes lack basic knowledge. They don’t teach critical thinking in public schools, and their history and civics classes are mostly about indoctrination.

    2. Pelosi has already agreed to give up the Speaker’s chair in 2022. Biden probably has no intention of running in 2024 due to his age. The Democrats in Congress are more radical than Biden or Pelosi. This isn’t like when moderate Republicans, like Susan Collins, refusing to repeal ObamaCare for President Trump. The Democrats in congress are far more radical than Biden–and yet Biden’s agenda is further to the left than any president in history.

      I’ll uncharacteristically quote a tweet here: in reference to Joe Biden’s agenda.

      “This is totally true and deeply troubling to anyone opposed to Joe Biden’s agenda, described by the Wash Post as “more liberal than that of every past Democratic nominee.”

      —-Nick Gillespie

      https://twitter.com/nickgillespie/status/1347216858177441797

      Gillespie is right about Biden’s agenda being more “liberal” than that of every Democratic president in history. Gillespie is wrong to think that the spectacle in the Capitol makes a difference one way or the other in regards to opposing Biden’s agenda.

      Getting Biden’s agenda through is a function of control of the House, the senate, and the presidency, as well as the relatively moderate leadership being willing to sacrifice their future political careers in order to pass it. Considering that the Democrats have full control of the levers of government; that their leadership probably doesn’t plan on seeking another term; that the Democrat rank and file both in congress and among their donors is more radical than the leadership; and, finally, yes, considering that the Democrats have the support of the media, there is no good reason to think that our opinions or the opinions of voters make any difference in their calculations.

      Those who spent the run-up to this election opposing Trump because they assumed their opinions would still matter–even after the Democrats took the senate–have contributed to and created their own irrelevance. You won. Congratulations! And the grand prize is that your opinions no longer have any relevance.

      1. “Getting Biden’s agenda through is a function of control of the House, the senate, and the presidency, as well as the relatively moderate leadership being willing to sacrifice their future political careers in order to pass it.”

        I’d add the judiciary to that list, and though McConnell did yeoman work filling vacancies with judges who might oppose Biden’s proposals, I don’t think their intransigence is anything to rely upon. Particularly if the judiciary gets expanded.

      2. Unfortunately this is part of a long term trend that’s much bigger than the Democratic Party or whatever you care to bring forth as components. It’s a worldwide drift to the “left” over a couple of centuries that has stopped only in those places and times where a country has gone much farther in that direction than has the USA. The USA still has a long way to regress toward that mean, and while the short term bounces around that regression line may be amusing, they’re not going to have much effect in the long run. The “fun” is in the particular details of the leftism in various places and times; in the USA it’s been tied up with pandering toward various population groups.

    3. “That reality may take a while to sink in, but the new reality is that they don’t care what we think or what their own constituents think anymore.”

      Reread that a few times everyone until it sinks in. And consider it’s Ken writing that—one of the most level headed posters here.

      Rufus is right: we’re headed for a Dark Age. At least for a little while.

  25. The one bright spot in this whole shitty mess is that Biteme hates section 230 almost as much, and there’s some indiciation Congress does to. My hope is they kill it and finally destroy the cancer of social media.

  26. The circumstances surrounding Mr. Sicknick’s death were not immediately clear, and the Capitol Police said only that he had “passed away due to injuries sustained while on duty.” At some point in the chaos — with the mob rampaging through the halls of Congress while lawmakers were forced to hide under their desks — he was struck with a fire extinguisher, according to two law enforcement officials.

    “He returned to his division office and collapsed,” the Capitol Police said in the statement. “He was taken to a local hospital, where he succumbed to his injuries.”

    COVID strikes again!

    1. Ooh! I know! Police shot him in the back while he was fleeing!

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  28. The reason pension costs are out of control in places like California isn’t because that’s the what the voters want. The reason pension costs are out of control is because Sacramento doesn’t really care what the voters want. There are so many people who don’t understand that giving progressives the full measure of power means making them unaccountable to the voters!

    At least in California we can throw dirt into the machine through referendums. The reason New York doesn’t have legal marijuana is because Albany doesn’t care what the voters want–and New York doesn’t have referendums. The reason you need a riot to address police brutality in progressive strongholds is because the progressives hold all the levers of government–and they don’t care what you think of police union contracts until there’s a violent riot. Was there ever a more pathetic sight than seeing the victims of police brutality seek a political remedy from the very city councils who are beholden to the law enforcement union and who made those policies they were complaining about?

    That’s where we are–as a single party national government. The only way for a journalist’s opinion to have any salience over the next two years under those conditions will be as a mouthpiece for the Democratic party. There can be no standard interference in policy because the Democrats control all the levers of government, so the only way to be relevant as a journalist is to defend those policies in the public imagination from enemies real and imagines=d–like the kinds of “crazies” who flooded into the Capitol the other day.

    They’ll defend packing the Supreme Court; they’ll defend the Green New Deal; they’ll defend coming after our gun rights; they’ll defend Medicare for All. Ever read Bartleby, the Scrivner in college? Everybody wants to be relevant. There is no longer any way to have influence on policy through standard means–so expect to see defenders of the Biden administration to come crawling out of the woodwork in order to have what measure of relevance they can. Trump was right to call the news media the enemy of the American people, and that is about to become painfully obvious over the next two years.

    Just understand three things going forward.

    1) The Democratic Party and the government are now the same thing.

    2) The Democratic Party is the enemy of the Constitution, individual rights, and market capitalism.

    3) There are no means to oppose them within the government and the press will not oppose them.

    If they pack the court, institute Medicare for all, come after our gun rights, bring on the Green New Deal, etc. we should expect violence–whether we like it or not.

    1. There can be no standard interference in policy because the Democrats control all the levers of government,

      It should be clear too, that they control all the levers of government and then some. WSJ ran a piece this morning about CEOs firing employees because they were at the riots. Every explanation was along the lines of “This is not how we function as a democracy.” or “We as a society, cannot behave like this.” *None* of the justifications had one iota about the law or business operations. Nothing like “Our lawyers found video evidence of an employee engaged in a crime.” or “He was wearing company branded material and we can’t afford to be associated with such nonsense.” For several, it wasn’t even clear that they were within 500 ft. of the Capitol building.

      100% virtue signalling that, as long as they’re paid fascists, they’re fine with ridding themselves of wrongthinkers and untermensch. 180-degrees from stories from Nike and Amazon and Gatorade/Pepsico saying, “We fully support the BLM movement.” while buildings were still on fire.

    2. The reason you need a riot to address police brutality in progressive strongholds is because the progressives hold all the levers of government–and they don’t care what you think of police union contracts until there’s a violent riot.

      Just so you know, the progressives don’t care what you think of the police union contract after the riot either.

  29. Hawley is anti-american traitor. If Simon and Schuster does or doesn’t want to publish his book that’s their choice.

    Trials then string up the traitors!

    1. It would be unfair to argue that this kind of person is typical of Biden voters, but he is typical of a certain kind of Biden voter.

      1. Cram it traitor!

        Take your America hating white trash out of MY COUNTRY your treasonous piece of shit!

        1. In this manner, President Biden was chosen.

          1. All credit to Raymond Carver (and his collaborator).

            “In this manner, the issue was decided.”

            https://genius.com/Raymond-carver-little-things-annotated

            1. Funniest thing is that Biden will have a shorter than 1 term presidency.

              Lefties hated Trump and he finished 1 term and won another term by legal vote count. One person can only do so much against massive criminal syndicate like the Democrat Party who want to steal from taxpayers.

              1. I thought you said Trump would serve a second term through 24 Lc1989?

                Were you wrong? How could you be wrong?

          2. I didn’t vote for Biden or support him you inbred moron.

            I just hate traitor Trump and his traitor supporters.

            1. That was my point upthread.

              “When I see people who are glad that Biden won, even the gloaters here in comments, I don’t see any of them making any kind of rational argument defending Biden’s policies.

              They were rooting against Trump for the same reason they cheer when the villain gets killed in an action movie. It’s all emotion.”

              —-Ken Shultz

              https://reason.com/2021/01/08/fcc-wont-fulfill-trump-order-for-regulations-to-clarify-section-230/#comment-8685265

              You’re thought processes are basically those of an animal–and not a highly developed one either.

              1. So by not supporting Trump I’m supporting Biden in your opinion.

                You’re free to think that.

                I’m free to know you’re an un-american fascist traitor because you support Trump.

                If you don’t like America you can git out!

    2. Thought experiment: What happens if you found out you had Mormon blood in you?

      1. I don’t, but if I did it was diluted enough that it doesn’t matter.

        I’m smart enough to know that if every Mormon on earth died the world would be a better place.

        They worship a pedo con artist and take disproven scriptures as the word of God!
        Defending them only sheds light on your intelligence and morals.

        1. You sound like a White Supremacist asked about having African heritage.
          Do you realized how ridiculous you look?

          Don’t we all bleed the same?

          1. No. Mormons come in all races. They’re mostly white and Polynesian because of their racist past, but it has nothing to do with race.

            Anyone dumb enough to believe what they believe shouldn’t be knocking on doors trying to trick people or breeding like goddamn crazy. Regardless of race.

            Since they refuse to stop we need to protect the country and stop them.

            The only good Mormon is 16 million dead mormons.

            1. So says the bigot.

              1. So by not supporting Trump I’m supporting Biden in your opinion.

                You’rpe free to think that.

                I’m free to know you’re an un-american fascist traitor because you support Trump.

                If you don’t like America you can git out!Ill admit I’m bigoted towards Mormons. No one is putting a gun to their head and forcing them to believe nonsense. No one is forcing them to lie, cheat,and trick attempting to convert everyone. No one is forcing them to breed like crazy to outnumber everyone and force their beliefs on everyone.

                They’re bigoted against non whites and non Mormons. They are the real bigots.

                Defending them only reflects poorly on your intelligence and morals.

              2. This website fucks up on my phone.
                I meant to post:

                Ill admit I’m bigoted towards Mormons. No one is putting a gun to their head and forcing them to believe nonsense. No one is forcing them to lie, cheat,and trick attempting to convert everyone. No one is forcing them to breed like crazy to outnumber everyone and force their beliefs on everyone.

                They’re bigoted against non whites and non Mormons. They are the real bigots.

                Defending them only reflects poorly on your intelligence and morals.

  30. The push by Pelosi to remove Trump from office before the end of his term is telling.

    The Democrats are probably incapable of self-restraint.

    The threat of them packing the Supreme Court is very, very real.

    1. Its their Impeachment and they want it now. They just want to punish anybody who gets in their way. Cant have socialist paradise without purging the undesirables.

      1. They’ve wanted to remove Trump since 2016. They failed in 2020. This is their last chance.

      2. To the larger point, if they’re willing to impeach a president a week before he walks out the door, why shouldn’t we assume that they’re willing to go against norms on packing the Supreme Court to get the rulings they want on gun rights, the Green New Deal, etc., too? Any assumptions about their having any shame or a sense of propriety are gone, and that isn’t about to come back just in time to dissuade them from packing the Court or bringing two new states into the union.

  31. I dont care what kind of bullshit you try to explain it with. You cant blame the actions of someone else by the words of others. I dont care if trump said tear the capital apart and burn it all down. You blame the ones who actually commit the crime. This rediculous notion that people can be criminalized for speech should have never existed, but people are always looking for a scapsgoat.

    1. Words are violence. Ideas are dangerous now.
      I now absolutely and totally refuse to engage in any political conversation whatsoever. You cannot and will not change anybody’s mind. You will just end up on the list. Don’t get on the list.

      1. Silence is also violence. Unless you recite the correct incantation, you are also guilty.

    2. Exactly, if that were the case, Maxine Waters would be in an orange jumpsuit and leg irons.

  32. I’ve yet to hear an explanation that why, despite section 230, the Pornhub debacle was even a thing. If section 230 is “the first amendment of the internet” then it’s clearly not working to protect platforms from being pounded by the zillion pound hammer of content regulation.

    1. Narratives are meant to be recited, not questioned.

  33. The same people who shrugged at (never mind declaring themselves) “the Resistance” are now suddenly worried about sedition?

    The same people who shrugged at (never mind themselves yelling) “Not my President” are now suddenly worried about rejection of election results?

    The same people who shrugged at (or even cheered) anti-Kavanaugh trespassers confronting Senators are suddenly worried about Capitol security?

    Yeah, sure.

    1. We were always at war with Eastasia Dissent was always treason.

  34. Well dang, there was nothing in the Free Markets section that had anything to do with free markets.

    Pretty typical for ENB.

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