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Economy

Republicans Need an Actual Plan To Grow the Economy

The biggest beneficiaries of economic growth are poor people. But the deepest case for economic growth is a moral one.

Veronique de Rugy | 11.17.2022 1:20 PM

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After disappointing midterm election results for Republicans, many understandably pin blame on corrosive figures like former President Donald Trump. His losing record is impressive considering his cultlike persona appeal with MAGA voters. If Republicans finally learn to shed Trump and his ilk it will be a good thing. However, there's another looming issue for Republicans: their policy agenda (if this mishmash deserves such a name).

Let's face it: These last few elections weren't contests over conflicting policy visions. Instead, each party did little more than tell voters that they aren't as awful as the other party. Pointing that out is OK but doing so isn't a substantive agenda. Republicans, for instance, were all about how Democrats created inflation and how inflation was terrible for the American people. But Republicans themselves offered no plan to tame inflation. Where are the GOP's plans to control spending? Such control is necessary at the very least for the government to meet its debt-servicing obligations—which are rising with interest rates—without fueling inflation further.

Meanwhile, Democrats have spent the last campaign freaking people out that Republicans will cut Social Security. Whether that's true or not, Americans should be worried about the Democrats' do-nothing policy. Indeed, under the current policy, the Social Security trust fund runs dry by 2034 and benefits will be automatically cut by at least 25 percent, leaving little room to shelter the most vulnerable seniors who truly depend on it for most of their retirement income. This inevitable scenario will happen even sooner now that inflation has jacked up benefits. In practice, by doing nothing, Democrats too want to cut benefits.

Yet you didn't hear the Republicans make that point during the campaign. Nor did they make the case for reforming the program before its impending insolvency. They were completely silent on the need to reduce government debt policies. I understand that these are unpleasant topics of conversation—it is the proverbial "root canal" of policy, as the late Jack Kemp liked to say. But ignoring these realities will not change them.

What's more, in the rare occasions that Republicans have a policy idea, they're usually calling for awful and outdated ones such as industrial policy and protectionism, or even Democrat-like entitlements such as federal paid leave and a child universal basic income. And that's when Republicans aren't making the economically ignorant case to drop "market fundamentalism" and embrace central planning.

At this writing it appears that Republicans will have only the slimmest of margins, putting meaningful reforms out of the question. Instead, Republicans should use this time to educate the public. Impressing upon people the need to put government on more secure financial grounds can be done by explaining the negative impact of large government indebtedness on economic growth. Economic growth might not be popular now, but this makes it a perfect educational moment to note that a robustly growing economy can double the average American's living standards in a single generation.

And growth is especially important for the lowest income earners in America. The reality is that the biggest beneficiaries of economic growth are poor people. But the deepest case for economic growth is a moral one, as it affects our social attitudes and political institutions by reducing homicide rates, increasing female and minorities' empowerment, promoting tolerance and democracy, and so much more.

The good news is we know how to pull off all these benefits for our communities. As multiple scholars have established, there is a solid and positive association between economic freedom and growth. Economic freedom reforms that unleash supply in sectors like energy, housing, food, and health care will produce the largest rewards for all.

This can be done by removing idiotic regulations that require years of permitting to build roads and infrastructure, and to produce drugs—without significantly helping the environment or increase consumer safety; also, eliminating biofuel mandates—which increase the price of energy and food, and hence intensify food insecurity; reforming occupational licensing, zoning, and land-use restrictions; and ending subsidies to big agribusiness and other producers—payments that distort pricing and end up forcing consumers to pay more for less. There are so many exciting things that Republicans could embrace and reach across the aisle to promote a growth and opportunity agenda.

Republicans want to show voters that they care about the working and middle classes. They need to snap out of their policy lethargy and rediscover the excitement of championing policies that lift all boats and truly make America once again the land of opportunity.

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  1. Minadin   3 years ago

    Is 'get out of the way' still considered a plan?

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      My thoughts exactly. Why need a plan? This isn't the Soviet Union (no matter how much Democrats want it to be).

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          1. Woodchipper for Preet Bharara @ preet.bharara@nyu.edu   3 years ago (edited)

            Republicans Need an Actual Plan To Grow the Economy

            It's the same republicans always have. Cut spending. Tax Cuts. Reduce corporate taxes. Reduce more spending. Cut more taxes. Cut back regulation. Which is vastly better than any idea Democrats shit out. If anything, the republicans don't take it far enough. Yet Reason dumbfucks spend their time attacking republicans and championing democrat social ideals. Fuckers.

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      2. regeya   3 years ago

        Don Jr. has been raising hell about how Right To Try prevents him from suing pharma companies. Maybe he should have said something in 2017.

    2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      If you read the article you'll see that that is her plan.

      1. Minadin   3 years ago

        Was my summary too succinct?

      2. Full Of Buckminster   3 years ago

        No, that’s not a plan for growing the economy. It’s a plan for getting out of the way. Whether or not that means the economy grows, or shrinks, or anything else is up to individuals (or should be). Politicians should not have any plan for it at all

    3. Zeb   3 years ago

      Yes, that would be the best plan for economic growth. They still need a good way to sell it. People suck and think that doing something is better than doing nothing.

      1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

        It was already sold when the USA was founded.
        Finding a way to enforce the Supreme Law?

        Well that's more of the issue and compulsively championing [WE] mob RULES governing isn't the cure unless the [WE] mobs goal is to ensure the Supreme Law is the Law of the land.

    4. C. S. P. Schofield   3 years ago

      I would argue strongly that ‘get out of the way’ is not only a -pan, but the only plan that has a chance of working.

  2. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

    Sadly your benchmark for an economic plan is no mean tweets. Outright demonizing half the country or calling them terrorists is fine and so is intentional economic collapse or general lawlessness.

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    2. regeya   3 years ago

      Nobody called half the country terrorists.

  3. IceTrey   3 years ago

    Neither party cares about our liberty which is why we must prohibit government from initiating force.

  4. Anarco   3 years ago

    Actually, Paul Ryan and others through the American Enterprise Institute ("AEI") just released a plan for fiscal reform. Paul Ryan has an editorial about it in today's WSJ. Whether it gets enacted is another story.

    1. Moderation4ever   3 years ago

      Is this the same Paul Ryan that Republicans drove out of the party?

      1. CE   3 years ago

        He drove himself out by telling elderly voters in the swing state of Florida that Social Security cuts were on the table.

    2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      Where was his plan when he was speaker of the house?

      1. Overt   3 years ago

        Well, he tried multiple times to enact it, and was essentially told by Trump to sit down and shut up. So he did.

        Ryan ultimately has to own his failures, but unlike many republicans he actually tried to make a change. For many years, if you were a GOP freshman congressman, one of the first things you would do is attend seminars that he personally hosted, discussing our financial mess. He was almost single-mindedly obsessed with getting the country's financial house in order.

        Unfortunately, he was always facing a major problem: no one- not the american public, donald trump, the media or the democrats, nor most of his own party was willing to pay the price for entitlement reform. He could not touch a single thing in Obamacare or other entitlements without endless treatises about how many millions would "lose coverage". And his party (and President Trump) were happy to let him die on those hills alone.

        And so he did.

        Ryan's failure is America's failure. Because he was the politician actually willing to make these changes, and no one- from the leaders of his own party to the citizens who claim to want fiscal sanity- was willing to make the changes with him. We get the government we elect good and hard.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

          Yes, Ryan made it his priority to tackle fiscal reform. He spoke about it often.

          But he failed on his one chance to do something about it - Simpson Bowles. He was worthless when it mattered.

          I know BUT IT WAS OBAMA'S PLAN !!! Republicans cried.

          I will remind you Tom Coburn voted for it with four other GOP Senators.

          But Ryan and that little fairy Jeb Hensarling opposed fiscal reform.

          1. Overt   3 years ago

            A few years back SPB posted kiddy porn to this site, and his initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead SPB keeps showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around. Since I cannot get him to stay away, the only thing I can do is post this boilerplate, and link to the evidence of his wrongdoing.

            https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836

            Don't respond to SPB, just shun him.

            1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

              You said this:

              Because he was the politician actually willing to make these changes, and no one- from the leaders of his own party to the citizens who claim to want fiscal sanity- was willing to make the changes with him.

              I proved you are a liar (or just ignorant).

              There were dozens in Congress willing to enact fiscal sanity.

              1. Overt   3 years ago

                A few years back SPB posted kiddy porn to this site, and his initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead SPB keeps showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around. Since I cannot get him to stay away, the only thing I can do is post this boilerplate, and link to the evidence of his wrongdoing.

                https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836

                Don’t respond to SPB, just shun him.

            2. Brian   3 years ago

              Pedo Lives Don’t Matter

        2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

          Ryan ultimately has to own his failures, but unlike many republicans he actually tried to make a change

          Remember when Paul Ryan was the scariest thing ever, and the media explained he was a big fat fascist racist? He was Newt Gingrich, Contract-on-America Incarnate. Man, that seems like decades ago.

        3. JesseAz   3 years ago

          This is incorrect. The plan was initially put forth in 2010 when he was leading the house and he failed every time as soon as Reid and the media put any pressure on him.

      2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

        Ryan proposed in 2013 to balance the budget by 2023. Dems called it “draconian”.

        Of course they did.

        1. CE   3 years ago

          In 2013 the federal budget was 3.8 trillion.
          In 2021 federal tax revenues (after the supposedly disastrous Trump tax cuts) were 4.1 trillion.
          The budget would already be balanced if Congress had just kept spending growth under 1 percent a year -- no budget cuts needed at all.

    3. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Paul Ryan already bent the knee when he had the chance in 2010 as soon as the media attacked him.

  5. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>This can be done by removing idiotic regulations

    T Admin did this.

    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      If that's the case, why do the regulations that she lists still exist?

      1. DesigNate   3 years ago

        Because the entrenched bureaucracy (the deep state if you will) fights tooth and nail against anything that might actually displace them/reduce their power?

        1. Dillinger   3 years ago

          also it's not like I typed "after T there were zero regulations" which was the windmill being tilted against

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            Your original comment was to the effect of "But Trump already did that." I'm saying there's a shitload more work to do.

            1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

              So we need to re-elect the guy who actually did it.

              1. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

                Ah! Finally. Thanks again, Sarc, for outing another Trumpanzee infiltrator. You may fire when ready, Muteley.

    2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      The president who did the most deregulation wasn't Trump by the way. It was Carter.

      1. Moderation4ever   3 years ago

        Well said. Trump deregulation was more talk than action.

      2. Dillinger   3 years ago

        sure. several administrations have deregulated ... several have done the opposite ... today's (D) is not Carter's (D)

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          Actually no. What Carter did was unprecedented and never duplicated. Among other things he deregulated trucking and air travel. Both industries boomed. We need more of that.

        2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

          Carter gave us the Department of Education and The Department of Energy to take up the slack of regulation.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

            They were both there before Carter.

            It was called "Health, Education, and Welfare" for example.

            Actually to kill something you need to isolate it first. Carter did the first step unwittingly.

            1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

              No, Carter split HEW in two and signed in the Education department in 1979 and the dems immediately grew them both.
              Carter signed in Energy in 1977.

              1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

                Yes, he "split" something that already existed.

                That was my point.

                And of course they grew. Government always grows until collapse.

  6. JasonAZ   3 years ago

    "Republicans Need an Actual Plan To Grow the Economy"

    Do you remember the article on Reason.com talking about the Democrats needing an actual plan to grow the economy?

    1. DesigNate   3 years ago

      To be fair, they’re smart enough to realize that the Democrats will never have a plan for growing the economy, so why even bother.

      1. Moderation4ever   3 years ago

        While it can be said that Democrats generally want more government interaction in the economy, I agree with them that the focus of the government efforts should be the middle class. Republicans have for too long focused on the wealthiest and the tickle down theory. I think Democrats need a lighter hand but have the right idea to focus on the middle, where the largest economic action occurs.

        1. DesigNate   3 years ago

          The only people who subscribe to trickle down (not a real economic theory) are the billionaire donors who run the Democratic Party. That’s why us Koch Libertarians should #SupportBidenatallcosts. - OBL

          But seriously, you know that in a progressive tax system the people who pay more taxes are going to realize a bigger benefit to reduced tax rates right?

          1. Moderation4ever   3 years ago

            There is plenty of tax reform that does not involve rates. You could start by treating income the same whether you earn it by sweat of your brow or clipping coupons.

          2. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

            You should worry more about the billionaire donors who run the Christian National Socialist Alternative for Germany party.

            1. DesigNate   3 years ago

              But what about Comstock?

            2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

              Why, hank? Mod is clearly more worried about other people’s money.

              He’s shitty that way.

          3. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

            Hanging by one manacle is hardly a benefit compared to hanging by two. This can be generalized to cover every vote that sacrifices leveraged law-changing clout to stampede with a looter herd--whether in flight or pursuit.

        2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

          Been in a coma? The dems are now the party of billionaires. The GOP is the party of nothing.

          1. Moderation4ever   3 years ago

            Are Andy Sabin, Ken Griffin, Ronald Lauder, Steve Schwarzman and Thomas Peterffy all not Republicans? They have said no more money for Trump.

        3. Overt   3 years ago

          "Republicans have for too long focused on the wealthiest and the tickle down theory"

          Riiiight. That explains why those Democrats made all those Banks Too Big to Fail. Nothing says "help the middle class" like guaranteeing the CEOs of trillion-dollar banks that they'll never have to say I'm sorry. Oh and nothing says "I'm here for you, little guy!" like forcing them to pay an insurance company for massive plans with coverage they don't need!

          What a bunch of hackery.

          1. Zeb   3 years ago

            And Democrats' plans for the middle class seem to always involve making the middle class more dependent on government. Which is really annoying. The good thing about being middle class is supposed to be that you are in a good position to be independent and provide for yourself.

            1. middlefinger   3 years ago

              Recently had a young guy from Eastern Europe install a window in my house. He was complaining about the fact that the more overtime he put in, to save for a bigger house, the more taxes came out of it or progressive taxation

              1. Zeb   3 years ago

                He should start his own independent window installation business. He could probably charge half as much and make way more.

              2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

                I doubt your window installer made more than $44,725 - the amount needed to move a single into the higher tax bracket.

                1. Beezard   3 years ago (edited)

                  Why do you doubt that? 50K a year is pretty much working class standard fare in Maryland. That’s why arbitrary federal numbers aren’t a great idea.

                  And things like overtime can incur higher taxes. Especially in relation to the time and effort you put in. As many working people are finding out thanks to half the country not bothering to work.

                  Shit like bonuses, buy outs, and other supposed incentives incur 50% taxation right off the top. Without even counting towards gross.

                2. VinniUSMC   3 years ago

                  I doubt pedoplug knows anything about how much anybody makes, outside of the child porn industry.

        4. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago (edited)

          Um, you really need to catch up. The republicans haven’t been the party of the wealthy since… well really since ever, that has been a well-coordinated smear by the Democrats and their media handlers. History shows that the Democrats have ALWAYS been the party of the wealthy— or at least going back to the 1960s– where the Democrats traditionally benefitted from a smaller number of super-wealthy donors, and the GOP has benefitted from large numbers of small, working class donors.

          Democrats brag that they’re the party of elite college educated professional intellectuals (the Party of Scientism!)… THEY make that brag. Now you’re going to tell me that the party of self-described elite college educated professional intellectuals is the party of the denim shirt, work boots and dirt under their fingernails?

          Michael Moore has been trying to have this both ways for years.
          The Republicans are the party of the super-wealthy!

          *Two minutes later*

          LOL, always keep a Republican around as a friend, ’cause you might need someone to fix your car when it breaks down!

    2. Zeb   3 years ago

      This article seems to be actual constructive criticism of republicans with genuine intention to help. Say what you will about some of DeRugy's writings, but she is no kind of economic leftist.

    3. middlefinger   3 years ago

      I believe it’s banning single family homes, parking spots, and sprawl. It’s confusing, on one hand I
      learned from Cato and Reason that sprawl, roads, parking and private transportation is bad. Now it’s about building more roads and infrastructure? Is that considered sprawl or bailouts for bankrupt cities and states.

    4. CE   3 years ago

      Who needs a plan when you've got Yellen and Buttigieg fixing things. Oh, wait....

  7. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    Great article. I just hope the folks in the comments with TDS can work past their emotional reaction to seeing bad things about Trump, and read to the end.

  8. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    This can be done by removing idiotic regulations that require years of permitting to build roads and infrastructure, and to produce drugs—without significantly helping the environment or increase consumer safety; also, eliminating biofuel mandates—which increase the price of energy and food, and hence intensify food insecurity; reforming occupational licensing, zoning, and land-use restrictions; and ending subsidies to big agribusiness and other producers—payments that distort pricing and end up forcing consumers to pay more for less. There are so many exciting things that Republicans could embrace and reach across the aisle to promote a growth and opportunity agenda.

    Yes, there are. Will they?

    1. DesigNate   3 years ago

      I’m not convinced that reaching across the aisle, especially when it come to deregulating anything, will be very fruitful.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        Even if it's not, it could start some conversations that economically ignorant Americans need to hear.

        1. DesigNate   3 years ago

          That’s fair.

        2. Overt   3 years ago

          Here is the problem: Americans are the boss. And the boss doesn't want to hear it. And so they won't. They will fire those politicians and bring in ones that tell them about unicorns and never having to pay for ice cream.

  9. Moderation4ever   3 years ago

    It might be good to point out that Republicans have purged themselves of the kind of people who could do what the article has suggested. Teaching people economics is hard, scaring them with Drag Queens is easier.

    1. Marshal   3 years ago (edited)

      .

    2. Its_Not_Inevitable   3 years ago

      Is it as easy as scaring them with the climate change apocalypse? Or the evil specter of WhiteManBad?

      1. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago

        Oh, trashley. Perpetuating stereotypes about your people.

      2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

        Climate and covid and white supremacists, oh my!

  10. Truthteller1   3 years ago (edited)

    Republicans have never voted to cut social security benefits, but the lie is propped up by dims and state media every single election cycle. Yet this "journalist" doesn't know if it's true or not. Hmm.

    1. Full Of Buckminster   3 years ago

      BS. Reagan signed the law to tax benefits. That’s a cut. A huge cut for some people.

      1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

        It is but it was never indexed to inflation.

        1. Full Of Buckminster   3 years ago

          Right. Which means the amount taxable keeps effectively rising and affecting more people. But how is that relevant to the fact that Reagan enacted this benefit decrease?

  11. Truthteller1   3 years ago

    Do the democrats need an actual plan?

    1. Marshal   3 years ago

      Dems always have a plan: give every dollar we can beg, borrow, or steal to people who vote for us.

      1. Its_Not_Inevitable   3 years ago

        Not every dollar. Like all politicians and bureaucrats, they keep a lot of it themselves.

        1. Marshal   3 years ago (edited)

          They get theirs in kickbacks, it has to go out first to be laundered.

    2. Zeb   3 years ago

      They have lots of plans. They all suck and are poorly conceived, but they are plans for the economy.

  12. Jerryskids   3 years ago

    This can be done by removing idiotic regulations that require years of permitting to build roads and infrastructure, and to produce drugs—without significantly helping the environment or increase consumer safety; also, eliminating biofuel mandates—which increase the price of energy and food, and hence intensify food insecurity; reforming occupational licensing, zoning, and land-use restrictions; and ending subsidies to big agribusiness and other producers—payments that distort pricing and end up forcing consumers to pay more for less. There are so many exciting things that Republicans could embrace and reach across the aisle to promote a growth and opportunity agenda.

    I believe it's known as "unicorn farts", it's the same thing that's going to replace fossil fuels in our bright new future. None of that shit happened accidentally by itself, it was all planned and implemented by our elite expert class who know better than us how to solve all the problems in the world. Why would they want to quit doing all this stuff that's saving the world from itself? Especially when it's so close to succeeding? All they need is a little more power and a little more money and a few more rules and regulations to keep the peasants on the strait and narrow and we'll all be shitting in high cotton!

  13. Marshal   3 years ago

    Regardless “first, do no harm” is an adage because doing nothing is significantly better than creating programs which are actively harmful. I see why leftists want to ignore this important difference but it’s less clear why anyone else would.

    There are so many exciting things that Republicans could embrace and reach across the aisle

    Why would anyone think reaching across the aisle is a good thing? The only result would be Dems extorting payoffs and protectionism for their own constituencies. Developing and enacting a program without the left is a far better goal.

    1. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago

      And yet, the majority of economic professors are somehow democrats and don't peddle heterodox theories ridiculed by their peers.

      1. Marshal   3 years ago

        Right.

        Leftist economists assert Modern Monetary Theory to advance leftist political goals and other leftists refuse to criticize it. Their only interest in "economics" is exactly this form of corruption. This is America's version of Lysenkoism.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

          Krugman denounced MMT. So has Brad DeLong and Larry Summers.

          I think you meant the Bernie crowd - who is trashed by Democrats every national election.

        2. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago

          No, but even if thay were true, that doesn't make Murray Rothbard right.

          1. Marshal   3 years ago

            No, but even if thay were true, that doesn’t make Murray Rothbard right.

            Even libertarians don't follow Rothbard's ideas but you pretend Republicans do? The left's faux intellectualism in action turns out to be repeating the last three things they heard without understanding any of them.

            1. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago (edited)

              Whoosh, mises, friedman etc all aren’t made correctly by MMT being wrong, trashley.

              Love hearing white trash philosophy on "left wing" intellectualism by people who clearly at best have a G.E.D.. fucking rich, man.

          2. CE   3 years ago

            Rothbard made a mainly moral argument -- stealing is bad. Organized theft is not only wrong, it's inefficient. Freedom and respect for each other's property rights is the only plan you need.

      2. Chairman of the Bored   3 years ago

        The operative word there is "professors"

        Academia is rotten with collectivist idiots...

        Also, an appeal to authority is pretty weak sauce.

  14. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago

    When did this site become such a cesspool of white trash retards? Or was it always that way?

    1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

      Ah, here is the racist.

      1. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago

        Look, you came when called. Good dog.

        1. The Glibertine Party   3 years ago

          thank you for doing this. I hate this fucking site and the brain dead retards (Diane Paul etc.) that haunt its comment section

    2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago (edited)


      When did this site become such a cesspool of white trash retards? Or was it always that way?

      Hey, knock it off. I’m the only one allowed to say that.

    3. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      If we got SPB2 banned, that might get rid of the white trash retard.

      1. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago

        Another one comes out of the woodwork. Howdy, cletus!

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          Gee, you must be yet another Shrike sock. They always come out of the woodwork to defend him. How's it feel to have Shrike's hand up your ass, sock?

          1. DesigNate   3 years ago

            Nah, it doesn’t have the stink of shrike on it.

    4. VoteQuimby   3 years ago (edited)

      Was awesome back in the day. Then the r/conspiracy crowd showed up.

  15. Weigel's Cock Ring   3 years ago

    Why don't you fugazi libertarians shitbags tell it to your beloved left liberal democrats and their friends in the permanent bureaucracy since they're the ones passing alnost all the regulations in the first place.

  16. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    Read all the comments up to 3:06 and not a single Peanut has piped in with a plan to tackle inflation.

    Guess we are stuck with these outrageous spittin' tobacky prices.

    1. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago

      Owning the libs is always more important than reasonable policy proposals.

      1. Marshal   3 years ago

        It's revealing he makes 97 comments which are solely insults then pretends he's interested in reasonable policy. That sounds familiar.

        1. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago

          Why would anyone come here expecting reasonable discussion. The fact that you're here means no one takes you seriously outside of niche CJs.

    2. CE   3 years ago

      Here's a plan to tackle inflation:
      Stop printing money.
      Cut federal spending by 5%. Then freeze it for 7 years.
      Lay off all non-essential government workers.

  17. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    FYI, scrapping literally 100% of everything the Biden administration does is an excellent plan to keep the economy from cratering.

    1. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago

      Really, where did you get your Econ degree? WTU?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Better than the Cracker Jack box you found yours in.

        1. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago

          Whoa, trashley tried to make a zing. Should have stayed on school, fucking retard.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

            "on school"? You're such a retarded sock that you cannot even get your grammar correct. Tell me Shrike, how many socks you got going anyway?

            1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

              Not me. I am shrike as you well know.

              This may surprise you but millions of people have figured out that Republicans are liars and are completely full of shit. That includes you, Ms/Mr Team Red.

              Note: Democrats suck. This is in no way an endorsement of Team Blue.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

                We know you're Shrike, but we also know you lie and you have socks. Tell me, how come these one or two thread socks always seem to come out and defend you, specifically you.

            2. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago

              Retard is big mad. How does that impact your retard strength?

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

                You're good at repeating stuff there, sockie.

                1. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago (edited)

                  The trash is strong with you. But you’re still relegated to the margins of respectable conversation at Thanksgiving, uncle Trashley.

      2. Zeb   3 years ago

        Ah, a credentialist and a racist.

        1. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago

          Oh, the oppression! When will it end for your people? You poor inbred baby!

          1. Zeb   3 years ago

            I made no claim of oppression. I guess you aren't that bright either.

            1. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago

              Found the Aspie.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

                Better than the fap sock you are.

                1. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago

                  Fap sock? Zing?

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

                    Obviously. You're full of Shrike's cum when he's beating off to CP.

                    1. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago

                      Another angry white trash loser loses its temper online. Go on....

      3. Chairman of the Bored   3 years ago

        That's not actually a response. You're just the pigeon on the chess board.

  18. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    Yet you didn't hear the Republicans make that point during the campaign.

    Well, of course not. Republicans were busy dealing with the national tragedies of trannie dancing, drag queen happy hour, and CRT.

  19. middlefinger   3 years ago (edited)

    It would be interesting to read real statistics on economic growth. Remove social security, Medicare and military bases. The feds force labor and business to pay into ‘entitlements’ and its political suicide to mention the two. The federal government, including the far right (except for Rand Paul) and leftists are in agreement on blank checks for military spending and Ukraine spending. Add SSdisability, Medicaid, SNAP, Housing vouchers and all education, transportation, refugee resettlements and public health GRANTS. All grants from the Feds.

    once these calculations are finalized, it becomes more apparent that the U.S. is fubar because everyone is sucking Fed teet.

    1. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago

      Tell me you never studied economics without telling me you never studied economics.

      1. Chairman of the Bored   3 years ago

        Tell us you're into Keynes without saying you're into Keynes.

      2. CE   3 years ago

        GDP = C + I + G + (X - M)
        The most basic equation of macroeconomics is fundamentally flawed, because it pretends that G (government spending) is additive to the economy, rather than taking away from it.

    2. Full Of Buckminster   3 years ago

      Those transfer payments need to be reigned in, but they don’t affect economic growth, as it’s commonly defined (GDP, etc.). Although they most certainly affect them indirectly.

      1. middlefinger   3 years ago

        I look at it as fiscal maintenance. If my house has a rotting roof and walls, I decide to borrow cheap money (back when interest rates were low) and build a sweet addition because I’ll be dead b4 the rot spreads , I laugh and ignore it. *Economic Growth GDP*

        Tick tick tick. it’s only a matter of time until the place or country crumbles.

  20. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    Actually, it is amazing that anyone takes Republicans seriously at all.

    "Well shrike - but DEMOCRATS SUCK!" Yes, I know that.

    The party of Newt Gingrich, George W. Bush, and Fatass Donnie is not a serious economic reform party.

  21. Azathoth!!   3 years ago

    When the economy was running under Trump's plan, as much as that was possible, real wages grew, employee participation increased, businesses were prospering. Things were looking up.

    That plan was even pulling us out of the Democrat lockdown enforced economic collapse caused by the release of covid.

    When we moved under the plan of the left, the gope, and liberaltarians the economy collapsed and is still collapsing.

    BUT, it is doing so according to plan. What plan? The plan to destroy the American economy and with it, the entire American experiment.

    If what Trump had was no plan then that's the way to go.

    Chaos reigns.

    1. Moderation4ever   3 years ago

      History is so easily forgotten.

      "When the economy was running under Trump’s plan"

      Trump inherited a sound economy from the previous President and in his four years he managed to trash that good economy.

      1. Marshal   3 years ago

        Trump inherited a sound economy from the previous President and in his four years he managed to trash that good economy.

        Back in reality Trump inherited a chronically underperforming economy and produced the best numbers we've ever seen including real wage growth and the lowest minority unemployment ever. Then covid happened and Dems insisted on shut downs to maximize the economic damage.

        Seriously, how could anyone describe the economy omitting covid. This just shows their only interest is politics. Reality just isn't a concern.

      2. awildseaking   3 years ago

        Nice Big O talking points there. Funny how this supposedly good inherited economy was bad for all 8 years and magically got better after he left office and improved as his policies were curtailed.

        Presidents take too much credit for good economies and not enough blame for bad ones and I won't blame Trump or Biden for COVID, but there was no COVID from 08-19.

    2. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago

      non causa pro causa nonsense. It's scary how fucking dumb you people are.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Did you hit all your Act Blue responses so you can call it a day yet?

        1. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago

          Lol, trashley says what?

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

            LOL, fap sock says what?

            1. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago (edited)

              What is a fap sock? I’m not familiar with your nat-C 8chan lingo, little inbred

        2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          Nah. I think he's still got a few more to go. Funny how these socks show up in a thread or two and almost always wind up defending SPB2.

          1. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago

            Funny how you take this seriously, trashley.

          2. isn't this a libertarian site?   3 years ago (edited)

            What are you on about now, trashley?

    3. middlefinger   3 years ago

      I had always suspected the tax break I received for my 401k investments would completely collapse and not reach the break even as I neared retirement. I fought with my husband about it, he has “faith”, the retirement funds will come back? When reading the financial state of the country, bankrupt states and bankrupt cities it does seem to be collapsing.

      1. Moderation4ever   3 years ago

        I don't know how long you have been in the market, but it really does move up and down and you have to be patient. I have lost plenty and made plenty back. The 1989 Black Friday crash, the housing collapse in 2008. Around 2008, I put my inheritance in the market, the collapse came, and I lost about a third of the value I put in investments. It came back and so will your 401.

        BTW - my October 2022 statements were in the plus. Not a lot but at least they were not falling. So, I see hope.

        1. middlefinger   3 years ago

          That’s my husband’s view, I hope you’re right. My view tends to be cynical. May I present the Japanese Nikkei 225 adjusted for inflation 32 years, my view of our new normal. I hope I’m wrong.
          https://adjusted-for-inflation.com/japanese-stock-market-nikkei-225/

          1. Moderation4ever   3 years ago

            Wow. That adjusted graph is kind of shocking. I not an economist, and it be good to hear from one, but let me offer a few thoughts. Japan high point was in the 1970s to 1990. That 1990 spike was likely the tech bubble just before it burst. At that time Japan was a real powerhouse in the field of technology and high mileage automobiles. A lot of that has changed. Think how many Japanese car makers now have auto plants in the USA. Japan is a small country, a tight knit society, and an aging population. All lessons for the US. We need to be a player in the world economy, not close our economy. As our own population ages, we need to bring in more immigrants to maintain a strong workforce. We also need to keep an eye on inflation and like the article talks about have a plan for the economy.

  22. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

    Grabbers Of Pussy gain power by pretending there is NO connection whatsoever between laws that make production and trade a felony--punishable by confiscation, fines and prison--and market Crashes followed by economic Recessions. Democrats and "libertarians" who buy into this willful blindness to the coarsest and most obvious facts of reality are the true suckers who empower girl-bullying mystical bigots.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      I guess it's five o'clock somewhere, Hank.

  23. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    This is how the media reacted the last time the GOP had a *checks notes* plan for growing the economy.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Annndd.

      You gotta love any article that opens its first sentence quoting Foucault...

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        Fascism fascism fascism! Paul Ryan Fascism!

        President Obama called the budget “social Darwinism.” A great term, curiously investigated by the Washington Post. Back in February, 2011, during the last federal budget battle, the New York Times claimed that the GOP targeted to slash funding for job training, environmental protection, disease control, crime protection, science, technology, education, and public media (Editorial 2011). It is a theory of classical liberalism that as these issues of national importance are proposed and debated it is fundamental to the workings of democracy that citizens have diverse information options. This is the job of journalists, newspapers, television news — “the media” — whose investigate capacities have been gutted by parent companies’ market fundamentalism and whose federal funding, when it barely existed, is under attack. Six bills were proposed in 2011 to eliminate federally funding PBS (Tomasic 2011). In this neoliberal media logic, if it fails the single criteria of increasing capital, it misses the cut.

  24. Winston in Wonderland   3 years ago

    I think they have two years to formulate a plan. In the interim, they can continue to blame the Dems, who will continue to control the White House and the Senate.

  25. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    Government should never try to grow the economy via fiscal intervention. It grows by itself.

    This is the correct libertarian view.

    (Monetary policy is different)

  26. StephanieSmith   3 years ago (edited)

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  27. Karl F   3 years ago

    If Republicans want to increase real GDP growth they need to start by looking at what works and what doesn't--and Republican policies usually don't work. Average annual real GDP growth by president:

    Trump = 1.6%;
    Obama = 2.1%;
    Bush, Jr. = 1.8%;
    Clinton = 3.7%;
    Bush, Sr. = 2.0%;
    Reagan = 3.4%;
    Carter = 3.4%

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      GDP by itself is a poor indicator of how well the economy is doing under a president. When you have 3.4% GDP and 3.4% under Reagan, yet Mortage interest rates by the end of the Era of Carter were at 13%, that tells you that there was a lot more going on during our national malaise vs even now.

      Sure GDP (and I'm taking you at your word) under Carter was 3.4%, and it was 3.4% under Reagan, but during Carter, we were putting on a sweater and turning the heat down.

      Your list also fails to take into account who was in control of the purse strings which adds another layer of complexity to the equation.

    2. Chairman of the Bored   3 years ago

      Now break it down by year...

      Without COVID, Trump's record is way better. Without the housing crash (which his admin tried to warn about) GWB looks a lot better.

      Clinton governed reasonably well.

      Carter's numbers don't reflect a level of inflation that we haven't seen since (until now).

  28. CE   3 years ago

    Libertarians for central planning, apparently.
    Repubs don't need an economic plan -- leaving people free to buy, sell, invest and trade as they choose will grow the economy much faster and more efficiently than coming up with some government managed five year plan.
    You'd think libertarians would know that.

    1. raspberrydinners   3 years ago

      Yes I'm sure Rs will get right on that as they punish companies for being "woke."

  29. Tionico   3 years ago

    It is not and never was/will be government's duty to assure economic prosperity.

    It IS government's job, and at it they do right poorly, to GET OUT OF THE WAY and let the people make their own decisions about their own issues.
    Soviet Russia became the abominal mess it became precisely BECAUSE government tried to run everything, to the point where the PEOPLE were reduced to automata and could take NO initiative on any matter. Gummit wanna FIX everything but all they do is make a bigger hash of it.
    Billions of seemingly insigificant decisions made, each with the best interest of the decider made, will equalise everything, make it all work, stop picking favourites and losers. etc. The one with skin in the game, his own hands in the dirt, and his own belly to fill/not fill well make,, on average, the best decisions for himself. And that, repeated billions of times a year, WILL straighten things out.

  30. TJJ2000   3 years ago

    "corrosive figures like former President Donald Trump"
    The solution? De-Regulation --- Ya know; like what President Trump did.
    LOL... The TDS going around is pretty thick.

  31. raspberrydinners   3 years ago

    Why? It's clear their braindead supporters will follow them like lemmings over a cliff regardless.

    Republicans haven't run on any actual kind of policy except cutting taxes for the rich for years and years yet somehow still garner votes.

    Policy isn't important to their voters. "Sticking it to libs" and bullshit culture wars are.

    1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      You're right... Gov-GUNS used to dictate citizens (MORE, MORE, MORE policy) is NOT important to Republicans.

      You're right AGAIN... Gov-GUNS STEALING from citizens is NOT important to Republicans...

      Glad you cleared that up for everyone.
      Now the next question is why you leftards think STEALING and DICTATING are so important.

  32. kenvandoren   3 years ago

    A plan need not be complicated. Want to grow the economy? SHRINK THE GOVERNMENT. MASSIVELY!!

    Which of course, will liberate us, make us more free as well.

    A GREAT PLAN!

  33. Liberty Lover   3 years ago

    Actually they don't, doing nothing would still be better than Biden's "Kill the Economy Plan".

  34. markm23   3 years ago

    The Republicans have two problems:

    #2: How to sell the only plan that actually works - STOP the government from doing so much?

    #1: They aren't going to do that because 99% of Republican politicians forget all about shrinking the government once they are in power. Deregulation and anything else that shrinks government shrinks THEIR power, and they no more want to do that than the Democrats.

    1. Sevo   3 years ago

      We had a POTUS who was doing better than those of the last hundred years, and what happened?
      The swamp critters rebelled! He might endanger their special positions!

  35. Sevo   3 years ago

    "Republicans Need an Actual Plan To Grow the Economy"

    Get rid of droolin' Joe, Newsom ("5th largest economy in the world"!), and two or three other Govs; done.

  36. Sevo   3 years ago

    "After disappointing midterm election results for Republicans, many understandably pin blame on corrosive figures like former President Donald Trump. His losing record is impressive considering his cultlike persona appeal with MAGA voters. If Republicans finally learn to shed Trump and his ilk it will be a good thing. However, there's another looming issue for Republicans: their policy agenda (if this mishmash deserves such a name)..."

    Adolescent focus on personality rather than policies or results.
    Stuff your TDS up your ass, VDE; your head wants company. And then do the world a favor: Fuck off and die.

  37. Liberty Lover   3 years ago

    What is really amazing is Reason had no advice for the Democrats when Joe Biden was hiding in his basement not talking about any plan or issues. Now Biden supporting Reason wants to tell Republicans how to run their campaigns and the country. Seems weird considering the Democrats are in charge, and having trouble with the economy, the border, violence and wars, yet Reason is advising the Republicans, not the Democrats. Seems there is a hidden agenda here.

  38. Archangel America   3 years ago

    Apparently Reason has become just another Statist rag. The economy is the combined work of the individuals. The governments role is to get out of their way and protect their rights. That is where their duties begin and end.

  39. Dalmations   3 years ago

    I am currently embarrassed to say that I vote Republican. I have not seen these people stand up for themselves and do whatever it takes to battle the evil that the democrat party has turned into. This includes elected officials and especially the younger generation that is getting their azzes kicked by the young communists. Fence Company Little Elm TX

  40. NOYB2   3 years ago

    Republicans Need an Actual Plan To Grow the Economy

    The actual plan is simple: don't do any of the stupid shit Democrats have been doing; just let the economy do its thing.

    Libertarians understand this.

    Progressives want "plans".

    VdR, why are you even trying to pretend you are a libertarian?

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