Even at His Sentencing Hearing, Derek Chauvin Did Not Manage To Express Remorse for Killing George Floyd
Despite the stakes, the former Minneapolis police officer could not bring himself even to feign regret for his actions.
Derek Chauvin, who received a 21-year federal sentence yesterday for lethally violating George Floyd's constitutional rights, still seems to think he did nothing wrong by kneeling on his victim's neck until he was dead. Judging from Chauvin's conspicuous failure to express remorse prior to his sentencing, he is sticking with the story he told at his state trial last year.
Prior to that trial, Chauvin's lawyer, Eric Nelson, blamed Floyd's death on an inept arrest by two rookie police officers, J. Alexander Kueng and Thomas Lane, who were responding to a complaint that Floyd had used a counterfeit $20 bill to buy cigarettes from a convenience store. "If Kueng and Lane had chosen to de-escalate instead of struggle," Nelson said, "Mr. Floyd may have survived." That was an audacious defense in light of Chauvin's subsequent treatment of Floyd, which was cruelly indifferent at best and hardly a model of de-escalation.
During Chauvin's trial, which ended in guilty verdicts on all counts, Nelson argued that the ex-cop's actions were justified in the circumstances. He even presented an expert witness who preposterously maintained that the prolonged prone restraint, during which Chauvin pressed a handcuffed, terrified man to the pavement for nine and a half minutes, did not qualify as a use of force.
Chauvin did not speak at his state trial. But after his convictions, he offered his "condolences to the Floyd family," saying "there's going to be some other information in the future that would be of interest," and "I hope things will give you…some peace of mind." He added that he could not say more because of "additional legal matters at hand," presumably referring to the federal case. Yet even after those "legal matters" were resolved by a plea agreement in which Chauvin admitted to using excessive force against Floyd, Chauvin offered Floyd's family nothing beyond some good wishes.
The plea agreement called for a sentence of 20 to 25 years. In arguing for the lowest possible sentence, The Washington Post notes, Nelson cited his client's "acceptance of his wrongdoing." The Post reports that Nelson "spoke of Chauvin's 'remorse for the harm that has flowed from his actions' and told the court the former officer would demonstrate that at his sentencing." But that did not happen.
"In a brief statement during Thursday's hearing," the Post says, "Chauvin did not offer any formal apologies or remorse for his actions." Instead he wished Floyd's children well. "I just want to say I wish them all the best in their life," Chauvin said. He added that he hoped they would have "excellent guidance in becoming great adults."
Chauvin displayed the same condescending, unrepentant attitude toward John Pope, another victim of his brutality. As part of his agreement with the Justice Department, Chauvin pleaded guilty to using excessive force against Pope, then 14, in 2017. The encounter began with a complaint from Pope's mother, who said he had assaulted her. Although Pope "made no aggressive moves" against the officers who responded to that call, Chauvin admitted, he repeatedly hit Pope on the head with a flashlight and knelt on him for more than 15 minutes.
"I was treated as though I was not a human being by Derek Chauvin," Pope, now 19, said at the sentencing hearing. "He made a choice and did not care for the outcome." Pope, who until the encounter with Chauvin was getting good grades in school and planned to attend college, said the experience had upended his life, leaving him with a feeling of powerlessness that derailed his plans.
In his statement to the court, the Post notes, Chauvin "did not apologize to Pope but said he wished the man well." This is what Pope got in lieu of an apology: "I hope you have the ability to get the best education possible to lead a very productive and rewarding life." Chauvin also wished him "a good relationship with your mother."
Chauvin's lack of contrition for his crimes against Floyd and Pope is especially striking in this context, where he had already pleaded guilty and was looking for mercy from U.S. District Judge Paul Magnuson. Despite the stakes, Chauvin could not bring himself even to feign regret for his actions. "I really don't know why you did what you did," Magnuson said, "but to put your knee on another person's neck until they expired is simply wrong, and for that conduct you must be substantially punished."
Chauvin's mother, Carolyn Pawlenty, did not help his case. As The New York Times notes, she thought it was important to note that Chauvin had received thousands of supportive cards, "enough to fill a room of her house." Pawlenty cited her son's 20 years of service in the Minneapolis Police Department and complained that he had been abandoned by his colleagues, several of whom, including the police chief, testified against him in his state trial. In her view, they had "failed to back their own." The real victim, she implied, was Chauvin, not the man whose desperate pleas for relief he ignored while blithely pinning him to the street.
What Pawlenty perceives as a failure was actually a belated acknowledgement that the police department had for two decades continued to employ an officer who was manifestly unsuited for the job. According to the federal civil rights lawsuit that Floyd's family filed after his death, which led to a $27 million settlement with the city, Chauvin "engaged in a reckless police chase resulting in the deaths of three individuals" 15 years before he killed Floyd "but was not discharged." Between 2006 and 2015, the lawsuit noted, "Chauvin was the subject of 17 citizen complaints." Just one "resulted in discipline, in the form of a letter of reprimand."
When supervisors treat such complaints as evidence that an officer is simply doing his job rather than evidence that he has little regard for people's rights, they invite further abuses. That's the predictable result of the reflexive support that Pawlenty thinks Chauvin's colleagues should have offered after he killed Floyd. The same impulse explains the thousands of cards that Pawlenty cited as evidence of her son's good character.
A habit of uncritical deference also explains the inaction of the three officers—Lane, Kueng, and Tou Thao—who failed to stop Chauvin, the senior officer at the scene, from crushing the life out of Floyd. In February, a federal jury convicted Lane, Kueng, and Thao of violating Floyd's rights by failing to intervene or render medical aid. They were also charged with state crimes. Lane, the only officer who dared to suggest that continuing to pin Floyd facedown on the pavement might be inadvisable, pleaded guilty to a state manslaughter charge in May and is scheduled to be sentenced in September. The state trial of Kueng and Thao is scheduled to begin in January.
Such serial prosecutions have been blessed by the Supreme Court, which deems them consistent with the Fifth Amendment's ban on double jeopardy even when the elements of the state and federal offenses are the same. In these cases, the elements are different, since the federal crimes hinge on a willful deprivation of rights under color of law. Still, one might reasonably ask why it is necessary or appropriate to prosecute these four officers twice for the same conduct.
Mark Osler, a law professor at the University of St. Thomas in the Twin Cities, suggests that Chauvin's second prosecution was necessary to send a message. "It was the federal government making a statement about this case being important nationally," Osler told the Times. "And it also was a conviction on something beyond what we saw in the state. It was about the deprivation of civil rights, not just the killing of George Floyd."
While Chauvin had never been prosecuted for his attack on Pope, he had already received a sentence of more than 22 years under state law for killing Floyd. But since Chauvin will be serving the two sentences concurrently, the main practical impact of the federal case will be that he serves his time in federal prison, which is preferable from his perspective because it means he is less likely to encounter people he arrested in Minneapolis. Chauvin has been in solitary confinement at a state prison in St. Paul since he was convicted in April 2021.
It seems doubtful that the federal prosecution was necessary to show that Floyd's death, which provoked bipartisan disgust, protests across the country, and police reforms in various cities and states, was "important nationally." And what was the state jury that convicted Chauvin of murder doing if not vindicating Floyd's rights as an American citizen and a human being? But if nothing else, the federal case gave Chauvin another opportunity to acknowledge the grievous wrong he had done. Apparently, that was still more than he could manage.
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I’ve always disliked the demand that convicted defendants express remorse. Sometimes people get wrongly convicted, are they supposed to express remorse for something they didn’t do? Whereas it’s easy for the genuinely guilty to mouth the demanded sentiments, even if they don’t mean them.
Makes life hard on the wrongly convicted innocents. Which I’m not saying Chauvin is, but the general principle still stands.
I didn’t follow the trial closely, but I’m going to guess that Chauvin doesn’t feel responsible for his death. So harumphing and demanding he show a minimum of Level X Contrition seems like a waste of column space.
He PLED to 20-25 years.
That confused me if he really thought he was innocent.
And if he thought he got railroaded to take 20 years as a scapegoat, then I’d expect him to be defiant.
He gets to go to federal prison instead of state and serve concurrently.
People plead to things they don’t think they’re guilty of all the time. Our legal system is pretty messed up, deliberately, in order to encourage that.
amen
I kind of want him to get a super light sentence (that he isn’t getting). Just to kiss off people like Tony.
Is worrying that a convicted criminal does appear contrite enough really a thing that libertarians care about?
*doesnt
It’s not really about their feelings. It’s what the feeling means. If he showed remorse for his actions, it means that he understands that what he did was wrong. If he understands, then he is less likely to do such a thing again; which means he’s not as big a threat to the community.
That he doesn’t feel remorse tells us that he’d do it again because he thinks what he did wasn’t wrong.
Of course these feelings could be faked so it’s really up to each person when it comes to how much it should really matter.
It’s easy enough to explain. This is a federal charge, which means he’ll be serving his time in a federal prison, which is considerably better accommodations than a state prison. Since the murder charge was a state charge, ironically getting convicted on the federal charge improves his situation.
I did watch the trial, Diane. Did my best to keep an open mind. Chauvin did nothing wrong. The “hold” he had on Floyd (because Floyd WOULDN’T get into the police car peacefully) was authorized by the police force. Imagine doing everything you were instructed to do…a drug addict (overdosing) in your custody…and then being convicted of murder.
I agree. Sentencing shouldn’t depend on how likeable someone is.
Not necessarily an expression of remorse, but isn’t allocution (admitting the crime in open court) normally a requirement of plea deals.
Yes, it is, but I don’t think it normally requires some kind of conspicuous show of sincerity.
Is there any action the judge can take if they consider the allocution inadequate?
Judges can reject a plea deal a bring the case to trial. They have total discretion in the matter.
Yes. Generally the courts don’t like that an innocent person is pleading merely to avoid getting wrongfully convicted of something worse (because of public sentiment, etc.) and serving an even longer sentence. So they require that the defendant allocute, or tell the court what happened in a way that meets the elements of the crime for which they are about to be convicted to the satisfaction of the court.
On this day, at this time I was at this place and of my own volition did this and then that, which I knew or should have known was going to result in…
After conviction the courts move to the penalty phase, where the evidence standards are lower and family and friends of the victim get to speak and the defendant can express their remorse and plead for mercy. If the plea deal is very specific and includes the sentencing recommendation, unless there is some other reason to speak, the defendant can decline.
This guy is a thug. Thugs don’t show remorse.
RK: How can Floyd show remorse at this juncture?
Why? For doing what he was instructed to do? And for having a lifelong criminal drug addict IGNORE police instructions and then overdosing?
Did anyone express remorse for killing Ashli Babbit?
The Progressive commentariat at WAPO are disappointed that more protesters weren’t killed.
Knock, knock.
Who’s there?
Not Ashli Babbitt. Not anymore.
Carry on, clingers. Well, except for Ashli Babbitt.
Rev tries a funny. Now do this:
Knock, knock.
Who’s there?
Not George Floyd. Not anymore.
Carry on, dingers. Well, except for George Floyd.
Knock, knock.
Who’s there?
George Floyd’s dealer and his hoes.
Go find other work, ‘groes.
Floyd had more than a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system, and he was saying he couldn’t breathe before he was ever put on the ground.
And he forced himself out of the police cruiser and then asked to lie down.
Fentanyl also wasn’t the only drug in his system.
But political narratives should force this cop to publicly castrate himself.
Prostrate but I guess castrate works too.
Actually, castrate works better.
Did he asked to be kneeled on?
What was the purpose for kneeling on Floyd?
What was the purpose for kneeling on Floyd after Floyd stopped moving?
What was the purpose for kneeling on Floyd after they could no longer detect a pulse?
Maybe to say a prayer. Floyd was a saint you know.
I sense this former police office will be doing a lot of praying, and telling people he is sorry, in prison for a very long time.
Are jerky former police officers popular and respected in prison?
In this case, hard time is the right time.
He will be pardoned as soon as Trump retakes the White House. In early 2023. After Biden poops himself live on television.
May he Rest In Peace with the other martyr who was murdered while eating skittles as a young elementary schooler, Trayvon martin.
Did you not watch the trial? This information is readily available but you expect us to provide for you.
You mean the technique they taught officers to restrain people resisting so they didn’t get hit with batons? Or with stun guns?
A drugged up 6’6″ football player weighing 223 pounds is dangerous, both to himself and to others, in particular to a 5’9″ police officer weighing 154 pounds. So, the point was to keep him restrained until the paramedics arrived.
If you want to get away from a restraint, pretending that you are not resisting and going limp is a good way of doing it.
I don’t think anybody checked his pulse until paramedics arrived.
I have no opinion on whether these verdicts are correct or not; but I also don’t know what police should do in such situations.
“I have no opinion on whether these verdicts are correct or not; but I also don’t know what police should do in such situations.”
A lot of police departments, including the one Chauvin worked for have a policy on that.
Namely the suspect needs to be monitored an placed in a recovery position as soon as possible.
There were several officials from the Minneapolis PD who testified at Chauvin’s state trial that Chauvin’s extended restraint of Floyd violated this policy.
And at what point was it possible to stop restraining a huge, potentially violent felon high on drugs?
When the handcuffs were on.
They had him handcuffed and in the police car. He became violent and got out. Obviously handcuffing wasn’t enough to restrain him.
The “drugged up” Floyd was already handcuffed and flat on the ground. It would be pretty hard for him to be a threat to others. Stone cold sober it is hard to get up to your feet in that position. “Drugged up” wasn’t going to make it easier.
Didn’t ask to be kneeled on but was resisting arrest.
Purpose was to immobilize person resisting arrest.
When Floyd stopped moving, there was no way to know he was not going to start moving again at moment.
Not sure Chauvin knew he had no pulse when still kneeling on him — is that true/
While that works for the first 7 minutes of the kneeling, the remaining 2 and a half after he acknowledged that Floyd either had no pulse or the pulse was so weak it couldn’t be felt is a different issue.
Kneeling on necks was prohibited, but he did so. He didn’t act when the prisoner because still. He’s a piece of shit. I want my rights protected until the end. Gonna guess you think so as well.
Man this is getting old. Why can’t you get this through your thick scull. Lethal doses of fentynal are highly variable. People have survived double the does Floyd had and people have died from less than 1/2.
What is undisputed is that Chauvin not only pressed down on Floyd while Floyd was dying, but continued to do so 2 minutes after no pulse could be felt. There was no legitimate reason for Chauvin to press down on Floyd except to punish Floyd.
The Police are not there to punish. That is the job of the courts. For the police to do so is excessive force and if because of it someone dies (even if you think only partly because of it) it makes Chauvin guilty of causing that death.
The fact that they didn’t allow others to give medical aid to Floyd just compounds their guilt (all 4 of the officers).
No no, all that matters is that Floyd had drugs in him, because all libertarians know drugs are bad, knay? Floyd could have been run over by a bus while crossing the street and the driver would have not been responsible for Floyd’s death because DRUGS!
The issue is that Chauvin probably didn’t cause Floyd’s death.
I don’t give a shit about Chauvin nor care what becomes of him, but I do care that Floyd’s death was lied about, propagandized, and used to ignite widespread political terrorism.
They e literally built statues to honor the worthless piece of shit.
Except by continued kneeling on him when he was obviously in major medical distress(no or too weak to be measured pulse) it’s a virtual certainty he caused him to die faster.
your comment seems to imply he would have died of drug over dose anyway
Let’s not forget, that in this case the police officers were not only responsible for not killing Floyd, if he was in medical distress, drugs or not, they were responsible for getting him medical attention.
Sorry, Floyd was a violent, drug abusing, piece of crap. Derek Chavin is a violent, egotistical, piece of crap. The difference is that Chavin killed Floyd instead of the other way around.
I’m reasonably doubtful that Chauvin’s actions were what actually killed Floyd.
As am I. The evidence in trial never convinced me that Floyd didn’t die from an overdose, given the fatal levels of fentanyl in his body at the time. Chauvin certainly didn’t help Floyd in any way by kneeling on him, but the neck restraint he used was an authorized restraint that his department taught. Steven Crowder did a video where he let someone use the same neck restraint on him for the same period of time with zero apparent adverse health effects. I’m perfectly willing to say Chauvin using that restraint for that long was a dick move, but I’m far from convinced it’s what killed Floyd. I would certainly stipulate that staying in the kneeling position for that long, even if it didn’t directly cause Floyd’s death, delayed him from getting the necessary care for an overdose, but at that point it sounds like manslaughter to me, especially if Chauvin reasonably believed the restraint was non-deadly (because the police department trained him to use that restraint).
I’m mostly convinced that no single juror could risk being outed as the guy who went against convicting Chauvin after the amount of death and destruction that followed Floyd’s death. If the whole jury acquitted, it would have been a guarantee of fiery riots and likely deaths of people in the streets for weeks to come. If the jury eventually agreed to convict but word ever got out that one juror of a particular description was hesitant, that juror would be going through the rest of their life at great personal risk.
hey your post is too reasonable it must be immediatly removed
Yeah, no way this was a straight verdict. There was obviously media and other intimidation to come up with ‘the right verdict’.
Well if you want to say you can’t convince yourself the evidence exists proving the earth isn’t flat…
You’re just ignorant, and highly motivated to stay that way.
The way fentanyl overdoses kill you are entirely incompatible with a surge of adrenaline flowing through you while you’re struggling, especially after the amount of time that had elapsed given how rapidly fentanyl is absorbed. Just not how it works. It’s not cocaine, it doesn’t kill you from a heart attack. Beyond that, it’s the coincidence of a lifetime to happen at the exact moment it did. Like Powerball lottery unlucky. Even if it wasn’t in opposition to basic biological fact, you’re basically arguing anyone can get out of a murder charge like this. Shot him? Oh, he had fentanyl is his system, probably would have lived otherwise!
Yes, you’re being that stupid.
I don’t see that in the transcript. Bystanders asked for someone to check Floyd’s pulse, but as far as I can tell, nobody did until the paramedics arrived. Do you have a link that supports your assertion?
Exactly.
Exactly right.
Which, by the actual legal standard, requires the return of an acquittal. You can suspect all you like that Chauvin’s actions contributed to Floyd’s death, but the high variability is enough to establish as reasonable a belief that the death was entirely the result of the fentanyl. Thus there is reasonable doubt as to whether Chauvin’s actions contributed to the death. Since contributing to the death is a necessary element of every one of the crimes Chauvin was actually charged with (in the trial, rather than this plea farce), the only legitimate verdict was “not guilty”.
It doesn’t matter whether lethal doses of fentanyl are highly variable. “Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt” doesn’t require that the defense prove that the fentanyl in Floyd was lethal to him. They only have to raise reasonable doubt, and a dose of fentanyl that is lethal to any human is sufficiently large a dose to raise what just about any unbiased juror would say is reasonable doubt.
The problem here is that the jurors could not be unbiased, what with the intense political and social pressure. If we were able to read minds, we’d almost certainly find that each of the jurors went through the mental calculus “if Chauvin is acquitted, I will be in physical danger in my own community, therefore I need to find Chauvin guilty.”
But for him to die from an overdose *at that exact moment* in the coincidence of the century is not a “reasonable” doubt. “Reasonable” doubt isn’t “well if this million to one unlikely sequence of events occurred…”
Fentanyl killing him at that moment, in a highly abnormal way from how fentanyl normally kills people, without incapacitating him at all in the seconds before…
It’s so unlikely as to be negligible. You might as well try to defend Chauvin by claiming he did it under duress. That’s physically possible to. Every available piece of evidence doesn’t support that. But your version of reasonable doubt would make that grounds for acquittal, and in fact would make all convictions impossible, because there’s always some fantastical, borderline impossible explanation that might have happened.
“The fact that they didn’t allow others to give medical aid to Floyd just compounds their guilt (all 4 of the officers).”
Complete horseshit. Find a single police dept that permits officers to defer to untrained bystanders. Why don’t cops administer care? Why are they told to wait for paramedics? Same reason.
How dare you state facts that interfere with the official bs narrative?
How dare you state facts that contradict the official bs narrative?
What happened to the officers who killed Tony Timpa in the exact same manner as George Floyd?
Promotions all around.
Timpa was White, so no riots, no $27 million, no convictions. Interestingly, the Wikipedia description of Timpa’s death ignores his race, as contrasted with the Wikipedia description of Floyd’s death, which mentions his race in the first line.
Timpa was White, so no riots, $27 million or convictions. Interestingly, the Wikipedia description of Timpa’s death ignores his race, as contrasted with the Wikipedia description of Floyd’s death, which mentions his race in the first line.
One monster killed another. I’m still not going to deify Floyd.
What the hell is wrong with you people (the writers, not the commenters)?
Yesterday, it was outrage that the cop who killed Tamir Rice had the temerity to get a new job and today, it’s a tantrum that this guy was insufficiently remorseful. I get supporting criminal justice reform. I get believing that police guilty of exceeding their authority should be punished. Hell, I hold those views. But, this is starting to stink of some sort of half-baked moral crusade to “get” people you think are guilty of wrongthink. I remember seeing articles over the years about guys who were insufficiently remorseful at their sentencing. Consistently, they were written by bloodthirsty law-and-order types to imply that whatever sentence they got wasn’t enough. Honestly, at this point, Reason is becoming their mirror image.
Armed goons of the government ARE guilty of wrongthink.
How about this? I don’t fucking care if they’re guilty of wrongthink! Being guilty of wrongthink isn’t supposed to be some sort of criminal offense. And only a totalitarian POS thinks it should be. The guy was sentenced to 22 years (and likely a death sentence if he’s ever placed in general population) for his actions. And that’s the only appropriate evaluation. Only a damned deranged sadist spends their time wanting him to be punished still further because they don’t like a guy’s attitude.
You against thoughtcrimes?
That sort of hate speech is criminal! You are lucky to be out of solitary.
“Nothing libertarian about opposing thoughtcrime charges.” – t. TeenReason 2025
*2023
“starting to”?
Criminal police reform requires publicly flogging cops and making sure they starve in the streets.
“Yesterday, it was outrage that the cop who killed Tamir Rice had the temerity to get a new job”
No it was an outrage that a guy who should never ever work as a cop again had the temerity to go get a new job as a cop.
Tough to show any emotion when you are drugged to the gills.
They have Chauvin drugged up?
The evidence clearly documented that a fentanyl overdose killed George Floyd.
But left wing media propagandists and Democrats immediately (and falsely) accused Derek Chauvin of killing Floyd (to create race riots long before the MN AG released the video showing Floyd resisting arrest and claiming he couldn’t breath a half hour before his death, and long before the autopsy was conducted and released).
In sum, Chauvin was framed.
No. Chauvin improperly restrained an impaired man and denied medical aid. Not murder, manslaughter.
I don’t really buy that. I’m sure the drugs contributed. But if someone is still breathing and conscious, an OD is quite reversible. He obviously could breathe, or he would have been dead much sooner.
I don’t know if I would have gone with a murder charge, but there was some reckless indifference going on at least. Floyd certainly isn’t someone to be celebrated, but I don’t think you can say he would have died that day anyway if not for the police encounter. Can’t say he wouldn’t have either, to be fair.
The murder charge stems from the fact that there is an underlying crime – excessive force. If you commit a crime of violence and someone dies because of it….
Chauvin was convicted of “Unintentional Murder (2nd or 3rd degree – can’t remember) and Murder in the 3rd degree and manslaughter (again, can’t remember the degree).
5 doctors testified that Chauvin’s actions was a substantial cause of Floyds death. One doctor went so far as to say a healthy person in the same position etc. would have died.
The icing on the cake for me is that Chauvin continued to press down on Floyd 2 minutes after a pulse was no longer detectable. If that isn’t excessive….
One doctor went so far as to say a healthy person in the same position etc. would have died.
And it’s bullshit like this that causes people to doubt even basic facts coming from supposed authorities. If you’re willing to say that nonsense, what won’t you say to advance your argument? That the vaccine is complete safe with no side effects and prevents transmission?
And yet others have replicated the same actions without causing death or injury. Knee to neck restraints are still taught and practiced by police and military throughout the world as non-lethal. It’s certainly not a first option, but you’re conflating it with shooting someone. Stop repeating the same lies.
His lungs weighed 3x the nirmal weight per autopsy, pointing to an OD
Sounds like reasonable doubt to me. Isn’t that supposed to result in an acquittal?
There ya go! And librul reality-controllers in wetsuits and flippers STOLE the throwdown report proving the Hero in Blue only mishandled a corpse–like Sherlock beating up cadavers to see how the bruises would look. Another cop-union exposé of American Blind Watermelon Chitlin justice! God shall love you in your cell, Derrick.
The encounter began with a complaint from Pope’s mother, who said he had assaulted her. It took a couple of reads for me to realize that “he” referred to her son, Pope, rather than Chauvin. I wonder what the mother now thinks about her decision to involve the police in the matter.
Bad writing.
Why should he express remorse? He’s not responsible for Floyd’s death. The violent, felonious thug killed himself with Fentanyl.
Not according to the witnesses at trial. I guess they should have called you to testify eh?
There’s a good little marxist.
Regurgitate that regime propaganda!
He’s a ‘good one’. Won’t ever stray off the democrat plantation and wags obediently when given a treat form his masters.
That’s what being a libertarian is all about.
Fuse9: Read the Hennepin County medical examiner’s report: 3.7X a lethal dose of fentanyl and no life threatening injuries. Floyd was dead before he ended up on the ground. This was a political trial, the routine stuff of our now banana republic.
He was convicted on all counts and is going to jail for 20 years. The justice system worked, and even the MPD testified against him. These are exactly the things Reason says they want from justice reform- holding cops accountable, and PDs to hold bad cops accountable and not cover for them.
But this isn’t enough. Now you want him to cry and beg for mercy? You want his mother to disown him and apologize for ever giving birth to him?
Jesus Christ. What a stupid article.
In reality they want none of those things, honestly.
In reality they want to write about this one last time before, likely, writing his obituary. Because the site visits don’t click themselves.
If they actually desired liberty, rather than global leftist totalitarianism, Reason would write about the events after Floyd’s death.
The golden casket, the billions donated to blmantifa, the constant lies, false premises promoted by the most powerful institutions, the coordinated political terrorism in the form of nationwide riots, and the political cabal of globalist oligarchs behind it all.
Floyd’s death and Chauvin’s actions really have no significant implications in and of themselves.
The machine that went to work using the incident as an opportunity to seize even more power has dire consequences though.
Reason wants global leftist totalitarianism? Hahaha. Your Mensa application has been rejected.
Well, I was going to write something, but you wrote it first and better. What the fuck does remorse have to do with anything? What a stupid article.
In related news, Mohamed Noor (the cop who killed Justine Damond five years ago) was just released.
George Floyd was a piece of shit.
One of the pillars of libertarianism is freedom of association. If we’re not free to declare a piece a shit a piece of shit, we’re not free at all.
Donald Trump is a POS… So what?
So why should a rogue cop be required to show remorse for killing a piece of shit? Isn’t the prison time enough? Does he have to AGREE???? YOU MUST AGREE!!!!!!
con_fusep is a piece of shit marxist, pay it no heed.
It is not a person, it is literally cancer.
What, you are not familiar with the Left’s love of self-criticism sessions?
No, no, YOU are a piece of shit. Trump is just loud and crude sometimes.
Chauvin’s lack of contrition for his crimes against Floyd and Pope is especially striking
What the fuck is wrong with you, Sullum? It’s not enough to be guilty? How much contrition is sufficient?
Too bad his sentences are concurrent instead of consecutive. He should rot in prison for the rest of his life.
And for everyone bitching about the article, maybe you didn’t read it? The entire point was his attorney argued for leniency by claiming he was remorseful, when he clearly isn’t. Being a cop means never having to say you’re sorry. Fuck Chauvin.
Why should someone have to be remorseful, for leniency? I’ve been involved in the criminal justice system for a long time, and I’ve seen this over and over and over, before Chauvin, from do-gooder judges. I’ve never understood it.
Why should leniency be granted for the non-remorseful?
Prison is intended to rehabilitate people, i.e., that the guilty person has changed and will not commit crimes again. Heartfelt remorse is an indicator of that.
Prison is intended to rehabilitate people
Is it? Throwing people in cages? Rehabilitation?
It seems plain to me prison is the method least prone to failure by which we remove dangerous people from society for x amount of years. Without bothering to research this, because why would I when there’s a banana with my name on it, I would wager less than half, perhaps even as few as 1 in 10 people, could out of prison a better person. The rest are hardened by their experience, and if they gained no skills in prison they’ll be right back in there in due course. Some people are just incorrigible.
That’s why it’s so important we only put dangerous people in jail. Not because it makes them better people but because they cannot be trusted to just walk around with everyone else. If you can’t live in a society you belong in a cage. Or we could just start exiling people to, idk, Mexico.
There are many different forms of prison in the US. They offer counseling, education, work training, etc. So, yes, rehabilitation.
Well, that may be so. Nevertheless, rehabilitation is the logical reason why an admission of guilt may be used to reduce the sentence. That’s true even if rehabilitation fails most of the time.
George Floyd killed George Floyd. It was the right thing to do.
George Floyd wouldn’t have agreed, but George Floyd would have.
I kind of wonder how many people there are out there who lived and therefore never got any attention but who suffered nerve damage from hulking musclebound thugs grinding their knees into the back of people’s necks.
I’m sure it’s a microscopic number compared to the number of people who have been arrested without being physically harmed because they weren’t reeling stoned on narcotics and didn’t violently resist arrest.
Not sure what you’re getting at.
Derek Chauvin is 5’9″ and 154 pounds.
George Floyd was 6’4″ and 223 pounds.
Chauvin killed Floyd by accident. Negligence for sure.
That’s what he was guilty of, and what he should have been convicted of. The difference was political.
Absolutely. Given the high amount of fentanyl in his system, there is no way a juror should be able to get past reasonable doubt for a murder conviction.
Floyd’s girlfriend testified that he was hospitalized for an overdose 3 months prior to the incident that resulted in his death. How this continues to escape mention and scrutiny is bizarre.
Absolutely.
Conviction? But… whutabout the throwdown forensics, medical examiner and coroner documendacities explaining the Floyd guy was a dead-duck dope-attic before the offissa even approached him. Whutabout the lesser charge plea-bargain for admitting to mere necrophobia?
Hank, the sock puppet isn’t working. As usual, you embarrass yourself.
There’s a case to be made that when a subject resists arrest, they forfeit any rights. Any. Rights. Well, maybe not rape or intentional mayhem. But resist, the cops are going to get a free hand to take you down.
That’s not the law now, but libertarian isn’t about giving criminals a sporting chance.
Perhaps that’s because he still feels that he did not murder Floyd, that he acted according to his training, and that the prosecution was unjust.
There is no indication from Floyd’s past that he is either a racist or a psychopath.
Sorry, I meant… There is no indication from Chauvin’s past that he is either a racist or a psychopath.
Slocum doesn’t seem to grasp the implications of his agenda.
Police will back down in the face of aggressive black men.
Such men will remain on the streets expecting everyone to back down upon demand.
Literally hundreds of black men have now died because of the Floyd event.
Why single out black men? What about aggressive white men? Or are you of the same frame of mind as Senator Ron Johnson who did not fear the January 6th rioters because they were white?
white men don’t behave like black men. blacks are wildly violent feral beasts at an extremely high rate.
Why single out black men?
When the police accidentally kill a white criminal, nothing much happens. The police are free to confront white criminals.
For some reason white criminals are arrested without killing them. Young white men who shoot church goers, school children, and parade watchers all get arrested without getting killed. A black man is killed for selling cigarettes, minor traffic violations, and passing counterfeit bills.
This is a complete lie btw. White people still comprise the majority of crimes committed, police interactions, and victims of brutality and police killings. Yes, this uses the torturted white-hispanic “Caucasian” term that the govt loves, but it doesn’t change the fact that the largest group also happens to be the largest represented in most subcategories. It also stands to reason and basic anti-racism. There’s nothing “black” that makes you predisposed to crime.
You just named three individuals out of a country of 330 million, extrapolating it into something ridiculous. You get that, right?
If you feared anyone from J6, that says a lot more about you than the rioters.
I don’t really care what Derek Chauvin does anymore. He is the concern of the Minnesota and Federal penal system and not a concern for me.
this was a total railroad job. especially the lynch mobbed jury with seated activists including a BLM terrorist.
Floyd did of a drug overdose.
For killing George fentanyl? I consider it more or less assisting in George Floyd’s suicide.
By the time Floyd was stopped by the cops, he was already O.D. His autonomic functions were already failing and he then had one foot in the grave.
Even if he had not been stopped, he would have died a short time later from fentanyl O.D. Autopsy report indicates he had three times the fatal amount of fentanyl in his body. It takes only two milligrams of fentanyl for a fatal dose.
Floyd would have become just another statistic of fentanyl over doses.
And the world would be so much better off.
Really weak material here Sullum.
A despicable post.
Derek Chauvin was doing his job!
It is in no way libertarian to take the side of criminals against the police.
George Floyd may not have committed a violent crime (on this occasion), but passing fake currency is tantamount to stealing, a malum in se. Letting such criminals get away with their (far from victimless) crimes is in no way libertarian.
Reason writers are out-and-out leftists.
Watching the video, I found it frightening and alarming that Chauvin was vilified and charged for doing exactly what I was trained to do in EMT classes in the ’70s. Unless they’ve been in that situation, it seems to be utterly impossible for anyone to understand what it’s like when you’re the last hope in a desperate situation, ignorant and hostile crowds surround you, you’ve called for other more expert help, and they just aren’t getting there. We were trained, and I found it to be true, that EVERYONE subjected to forceful restraint claims they “can’t breathe.” In my decade of service that was the cry heard in every single case, 100%. It was always untrue. We were taught to maintain the restraint, no matter what, until more advanced medical assistance could reach the scene. Most people who get themselves into that situation are under the influence of dangerous substances, and relaxing the restraint just lets them thrash about and move their toxin-laden blood to places it hasn’t yet gone. That course had obvious risks, as do many life-saving emergency measures, but I personally saved at least two lives by following it. I view Chauvin as a victim of the known but very rare circumstance when the standard advice wasn’t good enough. There, but for the grace of God …
I don’t think even Oprah Winfrey, the queen of public sentimentality, would want to cut anything off Chauvin’s sentence if he staged a crying remorse-and-apology binge.
So it would be unfair to Ophrah to say this article is promoting the Oprah-fication of the sentencing process.
Remorse is so easy to fake, it needs to be backed up with evidence of actual reform. And then it has to be balanced against the objective circumstances of the crime.
Who gives a shit? It’s not like the justice system runs on remorse. Also, Floyd is not the martyr you’re looking for.
I stop by periodically to check the soy content of Reason.com, and I’m always surprised that it keeps getting worse.
Nice Jacob. A long bit of “journalism” complaining about someone not apologizing to your level of satisfaction. Should you be on Twitter harassing whoever ruffled your feathers last? Grow up man.
This guy is going to prison for a long time for a sensationalized death that made a felon a saint, caused billions of dollars in vandalism, resulted in other people being killed, and paid for mansions for race hustlers. And you’re concerned about the level of contrition expressed?
Precisely. The amount of demagoguery, race baiting and race hustling by the likes of Sharpton, Jackson and Reid can’t compare to that of Black Lives Matter. They’ve managed to swindle everyone who donated to that lot and used the money for their own self interests.
Notice, they bought mansions in white neighborhoods, much the same as OBomber.
Sharpton and Jackson must be envious.
Chauvin offered his condolences to the Floyd family after the trial saying “there’s going to be some other information in the future…things will give you…some peace of mind.”
LOL, do you think the Floyd family would give up the $27 million to have him back?
What a steaming pile of fetid demagogy. The author is an embarrassment to journalism and his employers. Floyd died from a fentanyl overdose, 3.7X a lethal dose in the toxicology report included in the medical examiner’s autopsy, which also noted the absence of any life threatening injuries. There was video of Floyd saying he couldn’t breath before he ended up on the ground, the drug defeating the autonomic function of the human respiratory system. Chauvin’s conviction was a case of jury nullification (thanks to Maxine Waters and others) and a poor defense counsel. He certainly wasn’t convicted based on evidence, which Sullum can’t cite (because there wasn’t any). I haven’t been to Reason in a couple years and this was the first article I read on returning. Now I remember why I stopped visiting.
ACAB, simple as that
Floyd died of an oversose. Chauvin was nothing but a sacrifice to the Satanic BLM mob, which itself is nothing but one of several cynical contrivances of Judenrat George Soros. He never could have pulled off all his crap, though, if not for the mass psychosis of our sick, dying, baby-murdering, self-mutilating, sexually perverse, nihilist death-cult populace.
Chauvin was a callous uncaring person that let Floyd die when a dose of Narcan MIGHT have saved him, but Floyd died by his own actions. There is no reason for Chauvin to have remorse for killing Floyd, a flawed jury trial does not make something false true. If anything his remorse should be for letting Floyd die.
The threatening crowd were the ones responsible for Floyd’s death, and hist inability to get timely medical attention.
But there’s no political will to prosecute bystanders who threaten police officers.
The proximate cause of Floyd’s death was the fact that Floyd himself was a dangerous subhuman.
I saw a video that included audio of Floyd claiming that he “could not breathe” when he was climbing around inside the police car, before he was held on the ground by Chauvin. Floyd also told officers that he “ate too many drugs”, which was confirmed in the toxicology report showing a deadly level of Fentanyl. My assumption is that the Fentanyl caused Floyd’s lungs to fill with liquid, his ultimate cause of death. Why is it that Chauvin is supposed to apologize for Floyd dying from his own actions?
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Two assholes found each other.
Chauvin did nothing wrong. Did you WATCH the trial? Are you just stupid?
Careful, you are titillating Tony.
Bullshit. He was fine after the protest. His death was ruled to have nothing to do with the protest. His strokes were deemed to have occurred due to natural causes and not due to a traumatic brain injury.
Probably because that never happened.
-jcr
lol
He didn’t even get a concussion.
He died of a stroke.
Just to remind you, a stroke is a blood clot in a DIFFERNT PART OF THE BODY that flows to the brain and blocks blood flow. The most common blood clots form in the legs.
Complete and absolute lie. And you know it. Or, you’re really, REALLY misinformed and/or stupid.
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Exactly.
People convicted of crimes should be interviewed by an accredited unbiased third party.
The report becoming public record. Bigots will never consider counter arguments but people interested in learning from the truth will.