George Floyd

Police Chief Refutes Derek Chauvin's Claim That He Did What He Was Trained to Do

Medaria Arradondo says Chauvin's treatment of George Floyd violated department policy in several important ways.

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Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo yesterday refuted Derek Chauvin's claim that he followed department policy and training when he pinned George Floyd to the pavement with his knee for more than nine minutes. The chief's testimony in Chauvin's murder trial reinforced the evaluations of other police officials who rejected defense lawyer Eric Nelson's contention that Chauvin "did exactly what he had been trained to do" during Floyd's May 25 arrest for buying cigarettes with a counterfeit $20 bill.

"Once Mr. Floyd had stopped resisting, and certainly once he was in distress and trying to verbalize that, that should have stopped," Arradondo said. "There's an initial reasonableness in trying to just get him under control in the first few seconds, but once there was no longer any resistance, and clearly when Mr. Floyd was no longer responsive and even motionless, to continue to apply that level of force to a person proned out, handcuffed behind their back, that in no way, shape, or form is anything that is by policy. It is not part of our training, and it is certainly not part of our ethics or our values."

Specifically, Arradondo said, the prolonged prone restraint violated the Minneapolis Police Department's policy authorizing "reasonable force" during an arrest. "It has to be objectively reasonable," he said. "We have to take into account circumstances, information, the threat to the officer, the threat to others, and the severity of that. So that is not a part of our policy. That is not what we teach, and that should [not] be condoned."

Arradondo said Chauvin also violated the department's policy regarding neck restraints by kneeling on Floyd's neck. "A conscious neck restraint by policy mentions light to moderate pressure," he said. "When I look at [a photo of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck] and when I look at the facial expression of Mr. Floyd, that does not appear in any way, shape, or form that that is light to moderate pressure."

Arradondo added that Chauvin "violated our policy in terms of rendering aid." Even after Floyd stopped moving, became unresponsive, and had no detectable pulse, neither Chauvin nor his colleagues performed CPR or otherwise attended to Floyd's medical needs.

During cross-examination, Nelson, who has suggested that Chauvin and the other officers were "divert[ed]" from "the care of Mr. Floyd" by angry bystanders who objected to their treatment of him, noted that an ambulance was on the way. But as Lt. Richard Zimmerman pointed out during his testimony on Friday, that fact did not absolve Chauvin of his responsibility to render aid.

In addition to condemning Chauvin's use of force, Arradondo suggested that it was not even necessary to take Floyd into custody for a petty, nonviolent crime. He said such an offense is "typically not" enough to justify a custodial arrest.

Nelson himself has argued that Officers Thomas Lane and J. Alexander Kueng needlessly escalated the situation by detaining Floyd at gunpoint and trying to force him into their squad car, which precipitated panicked resistance by Floyd, who said he was claustrophobic, complained that he could not breathe, and asked to ride in the front seat. "If Kueng and Lane had chosen to de-escalate instead of struggle, Mr. Floyd may have survived," Nelson said in a pretrial motion.

Yet Nelson's client likewise did not "de-escalate" the situation, giving Floyd no opportunity to calm down once he was outside the car. Instead Chauvin pinned Floyd to the ground for nine and a half minutes, disregarding his terrified pleading, and maintained that position even after Floyd stopped moving and talking.

"That action is not de-escalation," Arradondo said. "And when we talk about the framework of our sanctity of life, and when we talk about the principles and values that we have, that action goes contrary to what we're taught."

Jurors also heard testimony yesterday from Fifth Precinct Inspector Katie Blackwell, who was in charge of police training at the time of Floyd's arrest. Like Zimmerman, Blackwell emphasized the risks of restraining a handcuffed arrestee facedown. The arrestee should be placed "in the side recovery position or an upright position…as soon as possible," she said, to avoid "the risk of asphyxiation."

During the arrest, Lane twice suggested that Floyd, who complained 27 times that he was having trouble breathing, should be rolled onto his side. Chauvin rejected those suggestions.

Two paramedics who testified last week said Floyd showed no signs of life when they first examined him. Yesterday the doctor who pronounced Floyd dead at the Hennepin County Medical Center, Bradford Wankhede Langenfeld, testified that Floyd's heartbeat when he arrived was not "sufficient to sustain life." Langenfeld found only "pulseless electrical activity," meaning that Floyd could not be resuscitated once he flatlined. He said he believed Floyd's condition was caused by "asphyxia."

The prosecution argues that Floyd died from asphyxiation. Nelson maintains that Floyd "died of a cardiac arrhythmia that occurred as a result of hypertension, his coronary disease, the ingestion of methamphetamine and fentanyl, and the adrenaline flowing through his body, all of which acted to further compromise an already compromised heart."

Langenfeld said he was not told that Floyd had shown signs of a heart attack, such as chest pains. "At the time it was not completely possible to rule that out," he said, "but I felt it was less likely based on the information available to us." Might Floyd have overdosed? "I didn't feel there was a specific toxin for which we could give a medication that would reverse his arrest," Langenfeld said.

The precise cause of Floyd's death, and Chauvin's role in it, will continue to be a point of contention during the trial. But on the question of whether Chauvin's use of force was justified in the circumstances, the powerful testimony of Arradondo and other police supervisors will make it hard for Nelson to persuade the jury that everything Chauvin did was by the book.

It is rare for police officers to face criminal charges for killing people and rarer still for them to be convicted. But it is likewise very unusual for a police chief to testify against an officer accused of using excessive force. Jurors tend to trust police officers and give them the benefit of the doubt. In this case, however, they will have to decide which police testimony to believe: the account of the former officer who says he was only doing his job or the judgment of his superiors, who say he recklessly and needlessly caused a man's death.

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  1. Thrown under the bus!

    1. Which will seem a holiday compared to the life this jerk can expect in prison . . . if he has the courage to avoid suicide.

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      3. Do you think that Floyd was treated badly in prison when he held the gun to the pregnant lady’s stomach? Probably not, right? That is a loathsome thing to do, would you not agree?
        Do you think that the prison wardens and guards, having massive amounts of real world experience with guys like Floyd, would side with Floyd or with Chauvin? Do you think that they would allow their own to get roughed up?
        I don’t. I’m no expert, just reasonably sensible. I think that you may be watching too many prison movies.

        1. Don’t really give a shit. He’s a murderer. Floyd deserves justice as justice is blind.

          1. It’s involuntary manslaughter at most.
            Yes he should go to jail, but the slimebag Chief above who just lied about training, and the policymakers, and the city council should all be going to jail with him.

            1. Its only the first part of the trial. The defense gets its turn.

          2. Justice is blind, and you already know he’s guilty before his trial is done? That’s a pretty short sentence to contradict yourself with.

          3. The form of your argument somewhat contradicts its content…

    2. Ray Charles would have seen that bus coming.

    3. Yep, the higher ups have rolled over. Trying their hardest to make sure Chauvin goes to jail and quiets the crowd.

      (note: I think Chauvin is guilty as hell, but I also think its blatantly obvious what is going on with the department leadership)

      1. Guilty as hell of what? Not a trick/prick question, really curious what charge(s) you’re referring to.

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  2. And the training material refute the captains refutation. Unless the argument is he trained Chauvin personally.

    1. to continue to apply that level of force to a person proned out, handcuffed behind their back, that in no way, shape, or form is anything that is by policy.

      The chief contradicted this statement under cross. He basically said yes handcuffed individuals can still be a danger such as displayed in the video of Floyd fighting 4 officers to get into the car.

      Also missing is the analysis on an increased restrait being available that McCarthy goes into here:

      https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/derek-chauvins-hobbled-defense/

    2. Yeah, this trial has been nothing but ass-covering by a bunch of equally guilty parties.
      These “witnesses” should all be sitting in the dock with Chauvin.

      Sure Chauvin committed manslaughter, but this trial is some real Bonfire of the Vanities kind of shit.

      1. Even manslaughter is highly questionable of he ingested a complete stash of drugs prior to the arrest. We can’t expect cops to be medical doctors.

        1. “We can’t expect cops to be medical doctors.”

          Perhaps not, but we can expect them to call EMTs immediately and not put them face down on the ground and sit on someone for ten minutes if they suspect a drug overdose.

          1. They did call the EMTs. Are you trying to prove your ignorance to the facts?

            1. At this point you’re either racist or irredeemably stupid. BLM is certainly questionable, but Chauvin is absolutely guilty.

              1. “your racist for disagreeing with me”

                Fuck back off to Huffpo, your kind has no power here.

              2. Lol. Or I looked at facts instead of a 9 minute video.

                God damn you people are fucking dumb.

            2. You’re really upset that a cop is actually going to be held accountable for gross misconduct for once, aren’t you? What a pathetic cop sucker

              1. Go blow a Junkie, Fool. Obviously, you worship a man that put a gun to a pregnant woman’s stomach. I hope all of you Floyd supporters meet a Floyd in a dark alley some day.

          2. They asked him if he had ingested anything, he said “No”. What are they going to do, conduct a piss test?

        2. Now JesseAZ, you saw the video. We all saw the video. At a minimum, there is straight-up manslaughter case. You and I see Chauvin’s actions very differently, and I am rather surprised by some of your posts. But Ok, it is what it is. There is much more we agree on (aside from this terrible case), than we disagree on.

          I am sympathetic to the plight of police officers in general, who see the worst of what humanity has to offer on a daily basis. You can’t do that job and not be affected emotionally. Regardless, the bottom line is Chauvin killed George Floyd. Yeah, we can argue about drug dosage, hypertension, Covid or what have you….they all contributed to George Floyd’s death. To me, watching the video, Chauvin displayed complete indifference to life, and that we simply cannot tolerate. You and I disagree on the severity of punishment about that indifference to life; I believe an act like that deserves the needle, and you do not. Also, I freely admit that I am the outlier on this aspect (I am a real believer in ‘life for life’ kind of thing).

          Now…Was Chauvin overcharged? Yes.
          But…Is Chauvin guilty of at least manslaughter (if not more)? Yes.

          Some of the testimony the Chief gave today was CYA. Some, JesseAZ. Other parts of the chief’s testimony rang true. Particularly the part where the chief testified that was no justification, no training – none – for continuing the neck compression after George Floyd was completely subdued and not resisting.

          Had Chauvin’s utter depravity not been deadly, we would not even be having this discussion. George Floyd would probably be dead, only from an OD or some street crime. Floyd should not have died at Chauvin’s hand.

          1. I will respond only if you’ve read the original coroner’s report. Or we will talk in circles again as the basis of facts isn’t on your current arguments.

            Here is a good summary from Jonathan Turley.

            https://jonathanturley.org/2021/04/05/prosecutors-ask-jurors-to-dismiss-george-floyd-autopsy-findings/

            No. It isnt open and shut based on the evidence.

            1. There are actually three autopsy reports JesseAZ, isn’t that the case? And they do not all agree on cause of death, do they?

              The jury will be the trier of fact.

              (I read your cite)

              1. Yes and we need to differentiate autopsy, the pathologic physical findings which is one piece of medical evidence, from a report from the medical examiner, which is forensic pathology and takes into account all of the evidence.

                A forensic pathologist completes a fellowship for one year following residency, three years in general pathology and board certification.

              2. Two of the “autopsies” never touched the body, Moron.

          2. Btw, take the emotion out. Youre arguing from there instead of reason.

          3. Is Chauvin guilty of at least manslaughter (if not more)? Yes…I believe an act like that deserves the needle

            Rearranging your thoughts a bit. You believe a man should be executed for manslaughter?

            1. I believe a person who displays deliberate and utter indifference for life and kills a person certainly should get the needle.

              1. Like George Floyd? He certainly did not value his life or that pregnant woman’s fetus. He brought on his own death through his own actions. You ghetto shits can’t even take responsibility for your own ghetto crotch dropping gunning each other down daily. We don’t expect you to take responsibility for your actions.

              2. A Sanhedrin that puts a man to death once in seven years is called a murderous one. Rabbi Eliezer ben Azariah said, ‘Or even once in 70 years.’ Rabbi Tarfon and Rabbi Akiba said, ‘If we had been in the Sanhedrin, no death sentence would ever have been passed’; Rabban Simeon ben Gamaliel said, ‘If so, they would have multiplied murderers in Israel.’

                Mishnah Makkot 7b

                My outlook is based on this.

                It just makes sense to me.

          4. Deserves the needle? Your grasp on the justice system is infantile. Actual murderers in Minneapolis don’t get the needle. Why would Chauvin? It isn’t even on the table.

            “Had Chauvin’s utter depravity not been deadly, we would not even be having this discussion.”
            Had George Floyd chosen not to do Heroin, Meth, Fentanyl, while covid positive and with a bad heart, we would not be having this conversation. Had stoned George Floyd not passed a bad bill, we would not be having this conversation. Had George Floyd not resisted, he would have never seen Chauvin that day and we would not be having this conversation.
            Your version burned, looted, and destroyed thousands of businesses.

          5. Slow down. Trial ain’t done, Tex.

    3. This line of argument is crucial in a lawsuit seeking monetary damages against the city.
      Not so much in a murder trial.

      Sullum is basically CNN on this. Its like he doesnt even see the giant holes in the prosecution

      1. Sullum is basically CNN

        FIFY

  3. “Medaria Arradondo says”

    I don’t fucking care what he says, he has several perverse incentives here.

    Show the training material. What some (biased) guy says is worth fuck all.

  4. “Police Chief Refutes Derek Chauvin’s Claim”

    He did?

    I didn’t see any of that. I did see a guy trying to save his own ass, and looking like a self-serving piece of shit. And probably, also trying to engineer a future for himself after law enforcement.

    1. Imagine what would happen to him if he swore the other way.

    2. There does appear there might be a little “I don’t want to get killed, so I will say popular things” going on with the testimony.

    3. Journalists often have trouble distinguish “disputes” and “refutes”. They sound alike, after all.

  5. I think you mean “contradict,” not “refute.”

    Anyway, letting someone off because he was trained that way is too much like “following orders.” Focus on whether the restraint was objectively reasonable, if not, then go to the issue of causation.

    “In addition to condemning Chauvin’s use of force, Arradondo suggested that it was not even necessary to take Floyd into custody for a petty, nonviolent crime. He said such an offense is ‘typically not’ enough to justify a custodial arrest.”

    Wouldn’t you *love* to have this guy as your police chief? Presiding over small businesses getting nickel and dimed out of existence by “petty” shoplifting and phony notes?

    1. Cal, there is a difference between the two. “He was trained to do this as a non-lethal hold” does refute the murder charges. After all, he thought it was non-lethal.

      Now, even if we accept this, the manslaughter still applies, since he was holding down Floyd, he needs to check on him continuously. Chauvin was responsible for him and did not stop the hold or attempt to render aid as Floyd stopped breathing, even when the worsening condition was pointed out to him. Note: This still applies even if the root cause was overdose as Chauvin’s defense claims.

      1. ‘“He was trained to do this as a non-lethal hold” does refute the murder charges. After all, he thought it was non-lethal.’

        Interesting point, fortunately they don’t consult me on the jury instructions.

        If the pressure on the neck was lethal for a regular person, I’d be skeptical of a “he would have died anyway” defense.

        Wait long enough, and everyone dies anyway. But anyone who without legal justification hastens the process should be punished.

        But a few years down the line, some appeals court may “discover” that Chauvin was denied a fair trial because of the mob atmosphere – not meaning he’s not guilty, of course.

        1. If the pressure on the neck was lethal for a regular person, I’d be skeptical of a “he would have died anyway” defense.

          There is no evidence this is true at all.

          1. I said if, I’m going to rely on the jury and, later, on the court’s decision on whether the jury was biased.

          2. No evidence?

            Check this story out. California Navy vet died after police knelt on neck amid mental health crisis, family says

            No drugs.
            None of Floyd’s co-morbidities.
            Cops on his neck for only 5 minutes instead of the nearly 10 minutes that Chauvin was on Floyd’s neck.

            1. Lol. Youre using someone else’s death to prove Floyd’s and calling it evidence. Never change man.

              Now using the evidence from either coroner’s report, prove the level of pressure on the neck for floyd.

            2. The police chief admitted on cross that Chauvin was kneeling on Floyd’s shoulder blade. What happened to a different person when a different amount of force was applied to a different body part is of little to no relevance to this case.

              1. He believes “it could have happened” is some form of beyond reasonable doubt somehow.

              2. Actually that’s not what he admitted. He admitted that at one point, Chauvin was kneeling on his shoulder blade and not his neck, which was allowed by the department.

                That in no way refutes the video evidence of Chauvin earlier having his knee on his neck.

                You know that, but “narrative”.

      2. A) Floyd complains of not being able to breathe before any restraint other than cuffs were ever on him.
        B) The original coroner’s report listed heart failure as cause of death, not asphyxiation.
        C) Neither coroner’s report shows any stress or bruising or signs of asphyxiation. In fact the family report that the prosecutor is preferring to their own coroner’s report is claiming lack of breath led to the heart attack.
        D) Above shows no direct evidence of murder. Maybe you mean manslaughter?

        Also likely… it was the lethal levels of phytanyl in his system. I’m not sure how you can even claim manslaughter if this is the case. Video shows them calling for an ambulance as soon as they believe he is in medical stress.

        1. The argument for manslaughter even if we accept the overdose cause is that Chauvin was grossly negligent. He was holding Floyd down, did not monitor him, and didn’t even notice that he had died minutes earlier. He should have at least rolled him over, or at least tried CPR. By not even attempting any rescue attempts, they let him die.

          1. You didn’t list any crimes there asshole.

            1. Actually, he did, dumbass

    2. The knee to the upper back was actually instituted by the department, and nationally, as it was less of a risk of asphyxiation to prior restraint methods.

      1. The knee to the upper back was only for part of the video, we know for a fact Chauvin knelt on Floyd’s neck from video.

        Don’t be purposely obtuse just to advance your shitty narrative.

  6. Wait, I’ve seen this before. Isn’t this show called Brooklyn 99?

  7. So the police chief lied on the stand? Guess Reason has officially gone full ends justify the means on us. Facts don’t matter as long as the mob gets its blood.

    1. Trump supporters don’t get to complain about someone not following the facts.

      1. .50 cents.

        Now fuck off.

        1. Disaffected, desperate, vanquished, bigoted clingers are among my favorite culture war casualties.

          1. This has nothing to do with anything retard.

          2. When your head is on a pike, I will make sure to spit on it as I walk by.

      2. No sides everybody!

      3. My name is Chipper Morning Wood and I swear on my dogeared copy of Dreams from My Father that I’m totes neutral.

        1. Tulpa so thoroughly owned him for so long that he vanished. That long ass string of characters is because Chipper couldn’t figure out how to stop him.

  8. Sullum doesn’t understand the meaning of the word “refute.”

    1. Yes, but my narrative…

  9. So do the prosecution witnesses memorize their scripts, or do they just read them off a teleprompter?

  10. Chauvin’s casual cruelty was a reflection of what the left was doing to the country: asphyxiating businesses until they went bankrupt. Ironically, if they weren’t doing that, then Chauvin would be making money and could afford his cigarettes and would still be alive today. Thus if he supported covid tyranny, he was partly responsible for his demise.

    The result of his death was that people burst out into the streets by the millions. After months of oppressive lockdowns, we could finally breath again. For that reason, Chauvin will be remembered as a hero. I’m not saying he did it consciously. But it wasn’t entirely unintentional either. Probably an expression of frustration.

    It would be helpful to know more about the politics of both men.

    1. This is some crazy shit, even for you.

      1. I like to follow along … or try anyway this one is kinda everywhere

  11. Minn PD are incentivized here to lie. Less work for them later.

  12. Hopefully this means they canned that lying cunt Rommelmen.

    Of course lying mormon Chuck would love that lying far right cunt.

    1. Awww Chipper is mad!

      1. Keep thinking I’m a sock

  13. “Might Floyd have overdosed? ‘I didn’t feel there was a specific toxin for which we could give a medication that would reverse his arrest,’ Langenfeld said.”

    Doesn’t answer the question. He already said that Floyd was flatlined and there was no chance of resuscitating him. The questions was, could he have flatlined because of an overdose. There is a not-zero chance that the drugs were the cause of death. It’s a mush-mouth answer so his house doesn’t get burned down.

    Also, the MPD chief has every incentive to spout the party line, given the rampant violence that has been occurring in his city by Floyd rioters. He doesn’t seem credible here. He’s going to have a department wide mutiny on his hands after this, and I’m sure once The Party is done with him, he’ll get the Cindy Sheehan treatment.

    Sullum really sucks.

  14. “The chief’s testimony in Chauvin’s murder trial reinforced the evaluations of other police officials who rejected defense lawyer Eric Nelson’s contention that Chauvin “did exactly what he had been trained to do”

    Oh dear, imagine that. The men responsible for training says it isn’t their fault.
    I guess that settles that then.

    1. If Chauvin was a lone wolf who couldn’t follow training, then I guess the Minneapolis police aren’t systematically racist are they?
      I’m not sure what narrative we are supposed to believe: few bad apples or systemic racism.

  15. I don’t believe Chauvin, and I certainly don’t believe police chiefs in general nor this clown specifically … and neither do you. The police chief position combines the honesty of a corrupt cop with the honesty of a corrupt politician.

  16. I haven’t looked because reasons. Any toxicology results?

    It’s not impossible that a guy with CAD and HTN, who chronically mixed and abused opiates and amphetamines, was given the nudge over the cliff by his handling. Not an easy call to make.

    Floyd is not a sympathetic victim. He actually seems like a scumbag asshole. Actually, everybody involved seems like an asshole. But I think if there wasn’t so much political baggage tied to this, it might not be so easy to definitively prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was Chauvin’s actions and inactions, and exclusively those, that killed Floyd.

    The outcome here, however, is most definitely ordained.

    1. Yes. Toxicology report is found on the turley link above or the original coroner’s report.

      1. Thanks Jesse and Ben. I checked it out. Based on that alone the idea of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that Derek Chauvin committed murder is not feasible. At least it would be if Floyd hadn’t been used as a convenient sledgehammer because racism.

        I do not think I would go so far as to say that Chauvin bears no degree of culpability for Floyd’s death. He showed little concern or even interest in exactly what he was doing to Floyd. His attitude is pretty fucking appalling. Is failing to render aid on an unresponsive person defensible? I don’t think so.

        But is it murder beyond a reasonable doubt? Not based on what I have seen, heard, and read with my own eyes and ears. Maybe one of the lesser charges.

    2. Short answer. Positive for fentanyl, methamphetamines, and THC at high levels. One handwritten note on the autopsy said that if they had found him at home, it would have been labeled an overdose.

      1. And yet your cunt ass keeps bleating “IT WAS MURDER!!!”

  17. What a spineless mook. The Minneapolis police department made the decision years ago to adopt the knee on the neck restraint as their standard. (Many in law enforcement are not supporters of the tactic; and prefer using the older folded leg model because it doesn’t create the panic that comes from having your face ground into the pavement.) They trained new officers in its use and have previously defended it in court. Now, when they have to actually take responsibility for their decision, they will make Chauvin their human sacrifice, throwing him into the volcano of BLM activism in order to (perhaps) reduce the mayhem from rioting (which will come, regardless of the verdict). What a coward.

    1. I’m still waiting for the page of the training manual that says it’s standard policy to remain on the neck of a restrained suspect after the suspect stops registering a pulse.

  18. The Chief threw Chauvin under the bus to avoid his city being burned to the ground by mostly peaceful protesters.

  19. He’s a lying sack of shit murderer. Lock him up and throw away the key.

    1. The Chief? Probably.

  20. Of course the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

    The Minneapolis did teach the technique, but it was not intended to be held for the length of time that Dereck Chauvin did. Dereck Chauvin is trying to defend his actions and Medaria Arradondo is trying do some CYA.

    The reality is that the Minneapolis Police need to reform their training program and their policies. Instead there will be some virtue signaling by the “One Party” government in Minneapolis per usual, but nothing will actually be changed.

    I find it interesting that the “One Party” government and media in Minneapolis place the blame with Republicans however there have not been any Republicans in power in Minneapolis for decades.

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  22. I have read while this case was new that Derek Chauvin has had several disciplinary actions his record. If that is true why was he still working as a police?

  23. In MMA some of the holds are used only for a few seconds prior to submission. Using them for longer periods brings risk of serious injury or death. The same principle applies here. Any procedure which reduces oxygen uptake is usually all right for very brief periods, but the longer it goes the more lethal it gets.

  24. Yet, what is not in this article is that the police chief, when shown a side by side videos of the position of Chevin’s knee on Floyd, said the second one showed it positioned on his shoulder blade, not his neck. The length of the second video shown in testimony was not the length of the procedure, so Idk if it was there the whole time, or moved back and forth.

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