Impeachment

5 Profiles in Courage and Cowardice in a Trump-Dominated GOP

Here is how Mitch McConnell, Mike Pence, Liz Cheney, Ted Cruz, and Josh Hawley responded to the president's election delusions.

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.), who steadfastly resisted Donald Trump's first impeachment and did not acknowledge President-elect Joe Biden's victory until more than a month after the election, is reportedly pleased by today's vote to impeach Trump a second time. McConnell "has concluded that President Trump committed impeachable offenses and believes that Democrats' move to impeach him will make it easier to purge Mr. Trump from the party," The New York Times reports, citing "people familiar with Mr. McConnell's thinking."

McConnell's striking turnaround after four years of unquestioning loyalty to Trump is a hopeful sign that the Republican Party may eventually stand for something other than the whims of an authoritarian demagogue. But the fact that McConnell's "thinking" about the merits of tying the GOP's future to Trump did not change decisively until his own workplace was attacked by the president's deluded followers suggests it would be foolhardy to bet that his party can salvage any principles that are worth defending.

Even before last week's deadly invasion of the Capitol, McConnell, to his credit, forcefully rejected efforts to challenge duly certified electoral votes for Biden. "If this election were overturned by mere allegations from the losing side, our democracy would enter a death spiral," he warned less than an hour before he was forced to flee the president's enraged fans. "We would never see the whole nation accept an election again," he added, and "every four years would be a scramble for power at all cost."

Based on "sweeping conspiracy theories," McConnell noted, "President Trump claims the election was stolen," but "nothing before us proves illegality anywhere near the massive scale…that would have tipped the entire election." He added that "public doubt alone" cannot "justify a radical break" from historical practice "when the doubt itself was incited without evidence."

These were strong words, but they came two months too late. From the moment that Trump began insisting that he actually won the election by a landslide, it was clear that the president's conviction had no basis in reality. Yet McConnell humored Trump, neither backing nor rejecting his wild claims, based on the premise that Biden's victory should not be conceded until the president had exhausted his legal options and the Electoral College had met. In the meantime, the fantasy underlying last week's riot grew and spread, unchallenged by all but a few Republican legislators.

One of those honorable exceptions was Rep. Liz Cheney (R–Wyo.), the third-ranking Republican in the House. Cheney, like McConnell, initially said "it's the responsibility of the courts" to address election fraud claims. But by November 20—the day after the president's legal team held a bizarre press conference highlighting the loony conspiracy theory promoted by Trump, Rudy Giuliani, and Sidney Powell—she was losing patience.

"The President and his lawyers have made claims of criminality and widespread fraud, which they allege could impact election results," Cheney said. "If they have genuine evidence of this, they are obligated to present it immediately in court and to the American people."

In an interview with NBC News after the Capitol riot, Cheney did not mince words about the threat it represented or about Trump's role in it:

We have very deep and clear political differences in this country, but we don't resolve those differences by mob violence. It doesn't matter what side of those issues you stand on. The president of the United States' statement [after the riot started], in my view, was completely inadequate. What he has done and what he caused here is something that we've never seen before in our history. It has been 245 years, and no president has ever failed to concede or agree to leave office after the Electoral College has voted. I think what we're seeing today is a result of that—a result of convincing people that somehow Congress was going to overturn the results of this election, a result of suggesting he wouldn't leave office. Those are very, very dangerous things. This will be remembered and this will be part of his legacy, and it is a dangerous moment for our country.

Cheney was one of several Republicans in the House who supported Trump's impeachment today. "The President of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack," she said in a press release on Tuesday. "Everything that followed was his doing. None of this would have happened without the President. The President could have immediately and forcefully intervened to stop the violence. He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution."

Vice President Mike Pence's role in all of this was closer to McConnell's than Cheney's. Like McConnell, he did not challenge Trump's fantasy until it was too late. And like McConnell, he eventually sided with the Constitution rather than the president.

"I do not believe that the Founders of our country intended to invest the Vice President with unilateral authority to decide which electoral votes should be counted during the Joint Session of Congress, and no vice president in American history has ever asserted such authority," Pence said in a statement he issued shortly before he presided over the joint session of Congress convened to affirm Biden's victory. "It is my considered judgment that my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not." But that came after weeks of dithering as Trump repeatedly pressured Pence, in public and in private, to exercise a power he does not have.

"Pence had a choice between his constitutional duty and his political future, and he did the right thing," University of California, Berkeley, law professor John Yoo told The New York Times. "I think he was the man of the hour in many ways—for both Democrats and Republicans. He did his duty even though he must have known, when he did it, that that probably meant he could never become president."

Yoo is a vigorous and controversial champion of executive authority who opposed Trump's first impeachment but has criticized the president for asserting nonexistent powers. He was one of the legal scholars Pence consulted as he decided whether to do Trump's unconstitutional bidding, which should not have been a hard call.

Rep. Tom Malinowski (D–N.J.) was less impressed than Yoo by Pence's courage. "I'm glad he didn't break the law, but it's kind of hard to call somebody courageous for choosing not to help overthrow our democratic system of government," Malinowski told the Times. "He's got to understand that the man he's been working for and defending loyally is almost single-handedly responsible for creating a movement in this country that wants to hang Mike Pence."

Former Sen. Jeff Flake (R–Ariz.), a longtime Trump critic, split the difference. "There were many points where I wished he would have separated, spoke out, but I'm glad he did it when he did," Flake said. "I wish he would have done it earlier, but I'm sure grateful he did it now."

Even McConnell and Pence are models of bravery compared to Sens. Ted Cruz (R–Texas) and Josh Hawley (R–Mo.), who led the legally groundless objections to Biden's electoral votes in the Senate. In doing so, they cynically and recklessly reinforced the twin delusions that gave rise to last week's violence: that Trump won the election and that Biden's inauguration could still be prevented.

At the same time, neither Cruz nor Hawley had the guts to explicitly endorse those beliefs. They calculated that they could reap the political benefits of kowtowing to the president's supporters without paying the political cost of looking like kooks. It apparently never entered the minds of these two Ivy League lawyers that they might pay a cost for so blatantly trying to advance their careers by sacrificing their supposed devotion to the Constitution. The crucial question for the Republican Party now is whether they were right to ignore that possibility.

[This post has been updated with additional comments by Cheney.]

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  1. After just one article, Sullum’s severe case of TDS has quickly returned.

    1. Joe Manchin still opposes impeaching Trump and eliminating the filibuster (which would make it impossible for Senate Dems to pack the SCOTUS, add more states, or ban natural gas fracking).
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          1. McConnell “has concluded that President Trump committed impeachable offenses and believes that Democrats’ move to impeach him will make it easier to purge Mr. Trump from the party…

            Trump can be purged from the party. But Trumpism, cannot. Trumpism, is the party going forward. Republicans will gravitate towards counter culture warriors who are willing to fight. Willing to make a scene. Willing to make a ruckus. That is not going away.

            McConnell’s striking turnaround after four years of unquestioning loyalty to Trump…

            TDS garbage. Unsubstantiated assertion. McConnell disagree with Trump on lots of things, and it was more about a commonality of culture and principles than "loyalty." Jacob "Sullen Dick" has been watched too much mainstream media mass programming. And when I say "programming" I mean literally and programming the verb. Not programming the noun.

            …is a hopeful sign that the Republican Party may eventually stand for something other than the whims of an authoritarian demagogue.

            They have always stood for things, before Trump. During Trump. And after Trump. And it was NOT a authoritarian Demagogue. If anything he was angry libertarian who enjoyed trolling the media, playing golf, and putting on instant/fake tanning lotion to his face.

            Compare the power grabs of Trump vs. Obama. Compare the power grabs of Trump vs past republicans. Yeah - not a authoritarian Demagogue. You have to look at his actions. At his policy. Not at his twitter trolling. This is Sullen Dick revealing his TDS here.

            1. One of those honorable exceptions was Rep. Liz Cheney (R–Wyo.), the third-ranking Republican in the House. Cheney, like McConnell, initially said “it’s the responsibility of the courts” to address election fraud claims. But by November 20—the day after the president’s legal team held a bizarre press conference highlighting the loony conspiracy theory promoted by Trump, Rudy Giuliani, and Sidney Powell—she was losing patience.

              Reason, and some of these republicans are detached from reality. We are tired of eating the left's stinky ideological shit. They want detachment from their rule. They don't want to accept the government used as a bludgeon to conquer them, to subjugate them, and assimilate them. So they want separation. And "honorable" Cheney will not survive that. Her constituency are outraged and have flooded her office with calls and mail. They feel betrayed, and I'm telling you right now, she will be primaried out of existence come the end of her term next January, if she isn't recalled before then. Cheney and other republicans voting against Trump haven't accurately measured the force of this movement. And thus they will be consumed by it.

              https://www.dailywire.com/news/wyoming-republican-party-slams-liz-cheney-over-recent-vote-remarks-on-trump-impeachment

              1. “The President of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack,” she said in a press release on Tuesday. “Everything that followed was his doing. None of this would have happened without the President. The President could have immediately and forcefully intervened to stop the violence. He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution.”

                Yep. Bad move. Her ass is gone next election. Maybe even sooner.

                “The President of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack…

                That didn't happen. He said directly in his speech, that it was his expectation that they be peaceful. After they rioted, he gave a speech where he told them to be peaceful, go home, respect law and order. This is delusional TDS bullshit.

                “Everything that followed was his doing.

                No. That's not reasonably or logically sound. We don't run on the butterfly effect here. Take a red pill

                None of this would have happened without the President. The President could have immediately and forcefully intervened to stop the violence. He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution.”

                Again. He gave the expectation they would protest peacefully. When they started rioting, he gave a speech - in the speech he requested they be peaceful, and go home. Respect law and order. Her statements are antithetical to reality. Which is a common problem, on articles, here at reason.com.

                1. I do not believe that the Founders of our country intended to invest the Vice President with unilateral authority to decide which electoral votes should be counted during the Joint Session of Congress, and no vice president in American history has ever asserted such authority,” Pence said in a statement he issued shortly before he presided over the joint session of Congress convened to affirm Biden’s victory. “It is my considered judgment that my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not.” But that came after weeks of dithering as Trump repeatedly pressured Pence, in public and in private, to exercise a power he does not have.

                  Okay. so Jacob, Sullen Dick gets it majorly wrong again. NO, it isn't about Pence unilaterally rejecting electoral votes. Wrong. No. Certified electoral votes must be counted - per the constitution. No buts. Pence has no authority to reject them. Pence should have rejected non-certified electoral votes from states in dispute regarding the election. He should have done that. He isn't determining the result for them. He isn't overturning them. He isn't choosing Biden or choosing Trump. He is simply rejecting them back to the states, so they can formally provide which slate of electors have been officially chosen in the manner the state legislature has provided, as 6 states were currently in dispute at that time.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHMsnRFX3DI&t=1s

                  But no. Like almost all republicans. When we needed him, his spine disappeared, and he went limp. The democrats would have ruthlessly fought for it. Because that's what they do. They are fighters. They are ruthless. They have no problem ignoring hundreds of riots across the nation for an entire year, while 50 people were killed, and a billion dollars of damage was incurred. They have no problem when democrats storm the oregon state capitol. But when republicans storm the national capitol then perform antics (like sitting in representatives chairs and taking selfies, then it's called "insurrection." And that's because democrats are aggressive and ruthless. Which is why people like Trump. He is aggressive and ruthless. Like democrats. But diametrically opposed, ideologically. And pence was a giant disappointment. For his lack of sacrifice, he is likely gone. The voters are done with him. As well they should be.

                  1. Republicans wanted fighters. And in Pence, instead, we got people negotiating the terms of surrender. As a result, he is likely done.

                    1. “Pence had a choice between his constitutional duty and his political future, and he did the right thing,” University of California, Berkeley, law professor John Yoo told The New York Times. “I think he was the man of the hour in many ways—for both Democrats and Republicans. He did his duty even though he must have known, when he did it, that that probably meant he could never become president.”

                      Right. And democrats would never do such a thing. Which is why they always win, and republicans always negotiate and compromise. And of course, leftists at Berkeley, would praise Pence for surrendering. Of course. Of course they would call him the man of the hour. And once again. Instead of being the right's hero, another republican, was the left's hero in their time of need. Now we can enjoy leftist equity extremism (aka communism:)

                      https://twitter.com/kamalaharris/status/1322963321994289154?lang=en

                      And we can immediately raise the minimum wage to $15/hr. Getting government (armed with guns) in the faces of negotiations between employer and employee. And we can get rid of Trump's tax cuts. Gun control. Tax hikes. Reinstate obamacare mandate. We can get rid of the filibuster. We can pack the supreme court. We can make DC, Guam, and PR states, that way forever from this point, the GOP can be the minority party. Congrats everyone. Congrats reason.com. You thought Trump's trolling rhetoric on twitter was worse than commie pinko policy, enacted by law. Bad move. We shall all suffer now. We could have chosen the path of "more" freedom. Not total freedom. But "more" than the opposition. Now we will all suffer.

                    2. Even McConnell and Pence are models of bravery compared to Sens. Ted Cruz (R–Texas) and Josh Hawley (R–Mo.), who led the legally groundless objections to Biden’s electoral votes in the Senate. In doing so, they cynically and recklessly reinforced the twin delusions that gave rise to last week’s violence: that Trump won the election and that Biden’s inauguration could still be prevented.

                      Yeah - no. No. Cruz suggested, because a large constituency of the nation were in doubt regarding the security of the election, that an election commission be created, just like it was created before, in 1877. It was to be a bi-partisan body to investigate the election and present findings. That is all. It was solely to quell the people's insecurities. Since the election results were obvious- that Biden won. There was no reason not to commission them. Yet surprisingly, given the great confidence in elected democrats that Biden won the election, they were totally horrified when someone mentioned an election commission who would investigate it, thus undermining the American people's confidence the election even more. So much for "unity and healing" right?

                    3. So I was disappointed in the extreme bias of Jacob, "Sullen Dick's" provided details of the events that transpired. So as I result - I give him a... F+. Not like a 25% More like a 57%. F+. Jacob. Sullen Dick. Still has TDS, severely. And probably because he has been literally "programmed" by leftist media, and this is simply unaware of the all details that have been purposely omitted by mainstream media. This piece was marginally better than his blatant hit pieces. But was still terrible. So... it's cock time.

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    2. He must have escaped his captors, Liam Neeson style.

    3. Your Sullum Derangement Syndrome, however, never wavered.

      1. Pretty weak white-knighting attempt, Chipper. Do your powers only activate when your sock’s enabled?

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    4. Is Jacob Sullum Reason’s version of Julius Streicher?
      He’s just as eager to punish the Reichstag fire perpetrators, as he was to have the fraud allegations suppressed.

      Sorry Jacob, they’ll never let you be Gauleiter of Palm Springs no matter how hard you incite.

    5. After just one article, Sullum’s severe case of TDS has quickly returned.
      I, for one, am glad to see him back to trolling you. It’s the most entertaining part of this comment section.

    6. Yes, anyone who criticizes Trump has TDS.

      Is he now God? Are you planning to worship him?

      1. Yes, anyone who criticizes Trump has TDS

        Usually.
        Not always; but as soon as their eyes roll back and their saliva gets frothy, and they start blaming him for tempting Eve, you know.

      2. Is he now God?

        Given the outsized threat he supposedly poses to the Republic, yeah. John Wilkes Booth? Jefferson Davis? Hitler? Stalin? Morons!

        Are you planning to worship him?

        Are you?

      3. You missed the *always* part of your anyone statement.
        Yes, anyone who *always* criticizes Trump has TDS.

    7. It’s true, no one can prove that there was massive fraud in the election.

      However, it is equally true that no one can prove there was NOT massive fraud in the election.

      There simply is no auditable record of every vote that was cast. Thus, neither side can ever be proven to be right.

      To prevent further occurrences of what we have seen in 2000, 2004, 2016, and 2020 we should have a standard for acceptance of electoral college votes that requires states to have fully auditable records of every vote that was cast in that state before the EC votes are accepted.

      1. That would be an outstanding result from all of this, T. Which is why it will never happen.

      2. The term ‘stole’ implies someone took something. I’ve seen 2-LiveTV broadcasts of Trumps votes getting subtracted by the screen shot. And we’re still playing the, “”If they have genuine evidence of this, they are obligated to present it immediately in court and to the American people.”

        The American People HAVE seen the evidence — THAT’S THE PROBLEM… The fact that politicians think sweeping it under the rug and calling it names CANCELS that evidence is a whole other bowl of worms.

        If votes are going to show a 90% favor in a swing state (also shown to the American People) there HAS to be a legitimate and proven reason for it. Not just a bunch of run-around, name-calling and NOTHING GETTING DONE ABOUT IT.

        But; Since obviously NO-ONE but a few independent corporations (who coincidentally agreed with Trump that there was serious signs of election fraud and multiple red-flags of security risk) wants to DO A THING ABOUT IT but turn it into a bigger CLOWN-SHOW. The standing that our own government could care less about election authentication stands.

    8. It’s clear that Trump Cultist Syndrome and Trump Derangement Syndrome are both pretty awful diseases. By the way, how’s your TCS these days?

    9. TDS. Ha.

      Hey, how do you get a Trumpist kill himself in 10 steps or less?

      (Wait for it!)

      Make the fat fucker walk up the first flight of steps to the Capitol!

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  2. “Cheney was one of several Republicans in the House who supported Trump’s impeachment today.”

    Cheney was/is an opportunistic never Trumper neocon.

      1. Martyrdom? You mfers sound more and more like jihadists.

        1. They issued a fatwa on DEMOCRACY!

        2. That’s what they are, jihadists. There is a very strong overlap between fervent religiosity and Trump support. Agnostics For Trump was never able to muster more than a handful of members.

          1. Tell us again about “amen and awoman” and how “The whole point of protesting is to make people uncomfortable”, and “Go to the White House & throw Molotov cocktails” and “we go for all the Republican voters, Homeland Security will take their children away” isn’t fervent.

          2. Agnostics For Trump was never able to muster more than a handful of members.

            Now do non-violent/secular/modern Islam.

        3. God, you are a dolt. It’s possible to make such an observation and also not to think it’s a good thing. It will make him a martyr to a significant minority of the electorate. If Democrats were the least bit honest about healing divisions and improving the political situation, they should also want to avoid making him a martyr. Just wait a week, say “good riddance” and get on with life.

          1. Leftarians have a hard time understanding that (lookin’ at you, Chipper).

          2. And this is why Ford pardoned Nixon. To continue to pursue Trump will only deepen the divide and create a very dedicated underclass of people – like those who stormed the Capitol – who will be anxious to get payback. And woe are we if these folks get their acts together, a la antifa, and organize using guerilla tactics. Because there are literally millions of them and they got the guns, big ones.

        4. “You mfers sound more and more like jihadists.”

          “Go to the White House & throw Molotov cocktails”
          “we go for all the Republican voters, Homeland Security will take their children away”

          You have a much easier job dissembling here, if only the damn memory hole was operational now, Jeff.

      2. It will make him a martyr? Hmm…..

        DEAL!!!!

    1. Fuck off. You’re spamming and jerking yourself off by responding to your own posts. Like Trump, you’re a LOSER, you fat fuck!

  3. “He’s got to understand that the man he’s been working for and defending loyally is almost single-handedly responsible for creating a movement in this country that wants to hang Mike Pence.”

    Except that the left has been calling for that – and violently dragging Trump out of the office – essentially since day one.

    Reason, you’ve jumped the shark when you praise Liz Cheney as a profile in courage.

    1. That paragraph quoting Cheney is EXACTLY what outlines the constitutional problem here even at personal risk. What everyone else would call courage.

      It is YOUR derangement about Cheney – related to something else entirely – that blinds you to anything/everything else about that person.

      1. What personal risk, exactly?

        1. A Republican going against the President of their own party re impeachment?

          The last (and only) R who did that was – drumroll – Mitt Romney. Justin Amash was independent by the last impeachment but was drummed out of the R precisely because he went against the Prez. both have been lambasted by most everyone in their party – and commenters here (many of whom claim to be ‘libertarian’).

          How are you people so comfortable crawling up Trump’s butt to nibble on his dingleberries? No wonder you don’t recognize courage.

          1. Yeah, nothing says “courage” like a highly-connected political legacy electee going with the mainstream narrative for media asspats.

            Almost as brave as blocking funding to prevent pulling troops out of Afghanistan!

            1. Mainstream narrative for media asspats? OK. Well whatever.

              Here are the ten R House critters who voted for impeachment.

              Beutler, Cheney, Gonzalez, Katko, Kinzinger, Meijer, Newhouse, Rice, Upton, Valadao.

              I guess we’ll see how many of them get squeezed by their R’s in reapportionment, primaried using this as a main talking point, eliminated from various subcommittees by their minority ranking members, eliminated from future party jobs outside the House, etc

              Ooh golly. Lookie here. Three GOP critters have already called for Cheney to resign as House Republican Conference Chair. Took about 10 minutes. Fortunately, the 200 ‘profiles in real – patriotic – all American – YOOGE – courage’ that comprise the GOP House will demonstrate that courage means compliance.

              1. Mainstream narrative for media asspats? OK. Well whatever.

                “Whatever” is right.

                Three GOP critters have already called for Cheney to resign as House Republican Conference Chair. Took about 10 minutes.

                Ok. Well whatever.

          2. A Republican going against the President of their own party re impeachment?

            You missed the part about “the President of their own party who already wasn’t going to be in office in a week”. You really have hit rock bottom when you’re citing Liz Cheney as a profile in courage.

            1. You missed the part about “the President of their own party who already wasn’t going to be in office in a week”

              And you apparently missed the part about sending off an angry mob to stop that from happening.

              You people are all simply worthless lying assholes. You welcome the sedition regardless of outcome. You would have welcomed the specific outcome had the act succeeded. And when the act failed you rationalize that it was never going to happen.

              This is like a textbook example of useful idiot in public – but fully venal and evil in understanding what you are saying.

              1. And my apologies for the tone.

                I really don’t like what anonymous commentary becomes but I am now part of that and engage in it and am part of the problem even if I don’t like it.

                1. Your tone isn’t the reason you’re part of the problem.

                  1. I’m not talking to you you dingleberry munching tool

                    1. Fuck off, fascist shill.
                      Go blow your corporatist masters.

                    2. Weak, dude.

              2. And you apparently missed the part about sending off an angry mob to stop that from happening.

                Oh, and what did he say that caused that, J(ew)Free, you lying fascist sack of shit.

                I’ve yet to see you fomenting demagogues quote Trump’s supposed incitement.

                1. Show us where the bad orange man hurt you:

                  https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-speech-save-america-rally-transcript-january-6

                  “The media will not show the magnitude of this crowd. Even I, when I turned on today, I looked, and I saw thousands of people here, but you don’t see hundreds of thousands of people behind you because they don’t want to show that. We have hundreds of thousands of people here, and I just want them to be recognized by the fake news media. Turn your cameras please and show what’s really happening out here because these people are not going to take it any longer. They’re not going to take it any longer. Go ahead. Turn your cameras, please. Would you show? They came from all over the world, actually, but they came from all over our country. I just really want to see what they do. I just want to see how they covered. I’ve never seen anything like it. But it would be really great if we could be covered fairly by the media. The media is the biggest problem we have as far as I’m concerned, single biggest problem, the fake news and the big tech. Big tech is now coming into their own. We beat them four years ago. We surprised them. We took them by surprise and this year, they rigged an election. They rigged it like they’ve never rigged an election before. By the way, last night, they didn’t do a bad job either, if you notice. I’m honest. I just, again, I want to thank you. It’s just a great honor to have this kind of crowd and to be before you. Hundreds of thousands of American patriots are committed to the honesty of our elections and the integrity of our glorious Republic. All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical left Democrats, which is what they’re doing and stolen by the fake news media. That’s what they’ve done and what they’re doing. We will never give up. We will never concede, it doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.

                  Donald Trump: (04:42)
                  Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about. To use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal. Today I will lay out just some of the evidence proving that we won this election, and we won it by a landslide. This was not a close election. I say sometimes jokingly, but there’s no joke about it, I’ve been in two elections. I won them both and the second one, I won much bigger than the first. Almost 75 million people voted for our campaign, the most of any incumbent president by far in the history of our country, 12 million more people than four years ago. I was told by the real pollsters, we do have real pollsters. They know that we were going to do well, and we were going to win. What I was told, if I went from 63 million, which we had four years ago to 66 million, there was no chance of losing. Well, we didn’t go to 66. We went to 75 million and they say we lost. We didn’t lose.

                  Donald Trump: (06:08)
                  By the way, does anybody believe that Joe had 80 million votes? Does anybody believe that? He had 80 million computer votes. It’s a disgrace. There’s never been anything like that. You could take third world countries. Just take a look, take third world countries. Their elections are more honest than what we’ve been going through in this country. It’s a disgrace. It’s a disgrace. Even when you look at last night, they’re all running around like chickens with their heads cut off with boxes. Nobody knows what the hell is going on. There’s never been anything like this. We will not let them silence your voices. We’re not going to let it happen. Not going to let it happen.

                  Crowd: (07:11)
                  Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!

                  Donald Trump: (07:11)
                  Thank you. I’d love to have, if those tens of thousands of people would be allowed, the military, the secret service, and we want to thank you, and the police law enforcement. Great. You’re doing a great job, but I’d love it if they could be allowed to come up here with us. Is that possible? Can you just let them come up, please? Rudy, you did a great job. He’s got guts. You know what? He’s got guts, unlike a lot of people in the Republican party. He’s got guts, he fights. He fights, and I’ll tell you. Thank you very much, John. Fantastic job. I watched. That’s a tough act to follow, those two. John is one of the most brilliant lawyers in the country, and he looked at this and he said, ” What an absolute disgrace, that this could be happening to our constitution.” He looked at Mike Pence, and I hope Mike is going to do the right thing.

                  Donald Trump: (08:09)
                  I hope so. I hope so because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. All he has to do. This is from the number one or certainly one of the top constitutional lawyers in our country. He has the absolute right to do it. We’re supposed to protect our country, support our country, support our constitution, and protect our constitution. States want to revote. The States got defrauded. They were given false information. They voted on it. Now they want to recertify. They want it back. All Vice-President Pence has to do is send it back to the States to recertify, and we become president, and you are the happiest people.

                  Donald Trump: (09:08)
                  I just spoke to Mike. I said, “Mike, that doesn’t take courage. What takes courage is to do nothing. That takes courage,” and then we’re stuck with a president who lost the election by a lot, and we have to live with that for four more years. We’re just not going to let that happen. Many of you have traveled from all across the nation to be here, and I want to thank you for the extraordinary love. That’s what it is. There’s never been a movement like this ever, ever for the extraordinary love for this amazing country and this amazing movement. Thank you.

                  Crowd: (09:44)
                  We love Trump! We love Trump! We love Trump!

                  Donald Trump: (09:59)
                  By the way, this goes all the way back past the Washington monument. Do you believe this? Look at this. Unfortunately, they gave the press the prime seats. I can’t stand that. No, but you look at that behind. I wish they’d flip those cameras and look behind you. That is the most amazing sight. When they make a mistake, you get to see it on television. Amazing, amazing, all the way back. Don’t worry. We will not take the name off the Washington monument. We will not. Cancel culture. They wanted to get rid of the Jefferson Memorial, either take it down or just put somebody else in there. I don’t think that’s going to happen. It damn well better not. Although with this administration, if this happens, it could happen. You’ll see some really bad things happen.

                  Donald Trump: (10:54)
                  They’ll knock out Lincoln too, by the way. They’ve been taking his statue down, but then we signed a little law. You hurt our monuments, you hurt our heroes, you go to jail for 10 years and everything stopped. Did you notice that? It stopped. It all stopped. They could use Rudy back in New York City. Rudy, they could use you. Your city is going to hell. They want Rudy Giuliani back in New York. We’ll get a little younger version of Rudy. Is that okay, Rudy?

                  Donald Trump: (11:25)
                  We’re gathered together in the heart of our nation’s Capitol for one very, very basic and simple reason, to save our democracy. Most candidates on election evening, and of course this thing goes on so long, they still don’t have any idea what the votes are. We still have congressional seats under review. They have no idea. They’ve totally lost control. They’ve used the pandemic as a way of defrauding the people in a proper election. But when you see this and when you see what’s happening, number one, they all say, “Sir, we’ll never let it happen again.” I said, “That’s good, but what about eight weeks ago?” They try and get you to go. They say, “Sir, in four years, you’re guaranteed.” I said, “I’m not interested right now. Do me a favor, go back eight weeks. I want to go back eight weeks. Let’s go back eight week.” We want to go back, and we want to get this right because we’re going to have somebody in there that should not be in there and our country will be destroyed, and we’re not going to stand for that.

                  Donald Trump: (12:34)
                  For years, Democrats have gotten away with election fraud and weak Republicans, and that’s what they are. There’s so many weak Republicans. We have great ones, Jim Jordan, and some of these guys. They’re out there fighting the House. Guys are fighting, but it’s incredible. Many of the Republicans, I helped them get in. I helped them get elected. I helped Mitch get elected. I could name 24 of them, let’s say. I won’t bore you with it, and then all of a sudden you have something like this. It’s like, “Gee, maybe I’ll talk to the president sometime later.” No, it’s amazing. The weak Republicans, they’re pathetic Republicans and that’s what happens. If this happened to the Democrats, there’d be hell all over the country going on. There’d be hell all over the country. But just remember this. You’re stronger, you’re smarter. You’ve got more going than anybody, and they try and demean everybody having to do with us, and you’re the real people. You’re the people that built this nation. You’re not the people that tore down our nation.

                  Donald Trump: (13:45)
                  The weak Republicans, and that’s it. I really believe it. I think I’m going to use the term, the weak Republicans. You got a lot of them, and you got a lot of great ones, but you got a lot of weak ones. They’ve turned a blind eye even as Democrats enacted policies that chipped away our jobs, weakened our military, threw open our borders and put America last. Did you see the other day where Joe Biden said, “I want to get rid of the America first policy.” What’s that all about, get rid of …? How do you say, “I want to get rid of America first?” Even if you’re going to do it, don’t talk about it. Unbelievable, what we have to go through, what we have to go through and you have to get your people to fight. If they don’t fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don’t fight. You primary them. We’re going to let you know who they are. I can already tell you, frankly.

                  Donald Trump: (14:39)
                  But this year using the pretext of the China virus and the scam of mail-in ballots, Democrats attempted the most brazen and outrageous election theft. There’s never been anything like this. It’s a pure theft in American history, everybody knows it. That election, our election was over at 10:00 in the evening. We’re leading Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia by hundreds of thousands of votes, and then late in the evening or early in the morning, boom, these explosions of and bullshit, and all of a sudden. All of a sudden it started to happen.

                  Crowd: (15:25)
                  [inaudible 00:15:25]

                  Donald Trump: (15:35)
                  Don’t forget when Romney got beat. Romney. I wonder if he enjoyed his flight in last night? But when Romney got beaten, he stands up like you’re more typical. Well, I’d like to congratulate the victor, the victor. Who was the victor, Mitt? I’d like to congratulate. They don’t go and look at the facts. Now I don’t know. He got slaughtered probably, maybe it was okay. Maybe it was that’s what happened. But we look at the facts and our lecture was so corrupt that in the history of this country, we’ve never seen anything like it. You can go all the way back. America is blessed with elections all over the world. They talk about our elections. You know what the world says about us now? They said we don’t have free and fair elections and you know what else? We don’t have a free and fair press.

                  Donald Trump: (16:25)
                  Our media is not free. It’s not fair. It suppresses thought. It suppresses speech, and it’s become the enemy of the people. It’s become the enemy of the people. It’s the biggest problem we have in this country. No third world countries would even attempt to do what we caught them doing and you’ll hear about that in just a few minutes. Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. It’s like a boxer, and we want to be so nice. We want to be so respectful of everybody, including bad people. We’re going to have to fight much harder and Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us. If he doesn’t, that will be a sad day for our country because you’re sworn to uphold our constitution. Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.

                  Donald Trump: (18:16)
                  We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period. We’ve set it on a much straighter course, a much … I thought four more years. I thought it would be easy. We created-

                  Donald Trump: (19:03)
                  Four more years, I thought it would be easy. We created the greatest economy in history. We rebuilt our military. We get you the biggest tax cuts in history. We got you the biggest regulation cuts. There’s no President, whether it’s four years, eight years, or in one case more, got anywhere near the regulation cuts. It used to take 20 years to get a highway approved. now we’re down to two. I want to get it down to one, but we’re down to two. And it may get rejected for environmental or safety reasons, but we got it down the safety. We created Space Force. Look at what we did. Our military has been totally rebuilt. So we create Space Force, which by in of itself is a major achievement for an administration. And with us, it’s one of so many different things.

                  Donald Trump: (19:52)
                  Right to try. Everybody know about right to try. We did things that nobody ever thought possible. We took care of our vets. Our vets, the VA now has the highest rating, 91%, the highest rating that it’s had from the beginning, 91% approval rating. Always you watch the VA, when it was on television. Every night people living in a horrible, horrible manner. We got that done. We got accountability done. We got it so that now in the VA, you don’t have to wait for four weeks, six weeks, eight weeks, four months to see a doctor. If you can’t get a doctor, you go outside you get the doctor, you have them taken care of. And we pay the doctor. And we’ve not only made life wonderful for so many people, we’ve saved tremendous amounts of money, far secondarily, but we’ve saved a lot of money.

                  Donald Trump: (20:49)
                  And now we have the right to fire bad people in the VA. We had 9000 people that treated our veterans horribly. In primetime, they would not have treated our veterans badly. But they treated our veterans horribly. And we have what’s called the VA Accountability Act. And the accountability says if we see somebody in there that doesn’t treat our vets well, or they steal, they rob, they do things badly. We say, “Joe, you’re fired. Get out of here.” Before you couldn’t do that. You couldn’t do that before.

                  Donald Trump: (21:24)
                  So we’ve taken care of things. We’ve done things like nobody’s ever thought possible. And that’s part of the reason that many people don’t like us, because we’ve done too much, but we’ve done it quickly. And we were going to sit home and watch a big victory. And everybody had us down for a victory. It was going to be great. And now we’re out here fighting. I said to somebody, I was going to take a few days and relax after our big electoral victory. Ten o’clock, it was over. But I was going to take a few days.

                  Donald Trump: (21:52)
                  And I can say this, since our election, I believe, which was a catastrophe when I watch and even these guys knew what happened, they know what happened. They’re saying, “Wow, Pennsylvania’s insurmountable. Wow, Wisconsin, look at the big leads we had.” Even though the press said we were going to lose Wisconsin by 17 points. Even though the press said Ohio is going to be close, we set a record. Florida’s going to be close, we set a record. Texas is going to be close. Texas is going to be close, we set a record. And we set a record with Hispanic, with the Black community. We set a record with everybody.

                  Donald Trump: (22:36)
                  Today, we see a very important event though, because right over there, right there, we see the event going to take place. And I’m going to be watching, because history is going to be made. We’re going to see whether or not we have great and courageous leaders or whether or not we have leaders that should be ashamed of themselves throughout history, throughout eternity, they’ll be ashamed. And you know what? If they do the wrong thing, we should never ever forget that they did. Never forget. We should never ever forget. With only three of the seven states in question, we win the presidency of the United States.

                  Donald Trump: (23:21)
                  And by the way, it’s much more important today than it was 24 hours ago. Because I spoke to David Perdue, what a great person, and Kelly Loeffler, two great people, but it was a setup. And I said, “We have no back line anymore.” The only back line, the only line of demarcation, the only line that we have is the veto of the president of the United States. So this is now what we’re doing, a far more important election than it was two days ago.

                  Donald Trump: (23:59)
                  I want to thank the more than 140 members of the House. Those are warriors. They’re over there working like you’ve never seen before, studying, talking, actually going all the way back, studying the roots of the Constitution, because they know we have the right to send a bad vote that was illegally got, they gave these people bad things to vote for and they voted, because what did they know? And then when they found out a few weeks later… Again, it took them four years to devise history. And the only unhappy person in the United States, single most unhappy, is Hillary Clinton because she said, “Why didn’t you do this for me four years ago? Why didn’t you do this for me four years ago? Change the votes! 10,000 in Michigan. You could have changed the whole thing!” But she’s not too happy. You notice you don’t see her anymore. What happened? Where is Hillary? Where is she?

                  Donald Trump: (24:57)
                  But I want to thank all of those congressmen and women. I also want to thank our 13 most courageous members of the US Senate, Senator Ted Cruz, Senator Ron Johnson, Senator Shadowless, Kelly Loeffler. And Kelly Loeffler, I’ll tell you, she’s been so great. She works so hard. So let’s give her and David a little special head, because it was rigged against them. Let’s give her and David. Kelly Loeffler, David Perdue. They fought a good race. They never had a shot. That equipment should never have been allowed to be used, and I was telling these people don’t let them use this stuff. Marsha Blackburn, terrific person. Mike Braun, Indiana. Disinvested, great guy. Bill Hagerty, John Kennedy, James Lankford, Cynthia Lummis. Tommy Tuberville, to the coach. And Roger Marshall. We want to thank them, senators that stepped up, we want to thank them.

                  Donald Trump: (26:04)
                  I actually think though it takes, again, more courage not to step up. And I think a lot of those people are going to find that out, and you better start looking at your leadership because the leadership has led you down the tubes. “We don’t want to give $2000 to people. We want to give them $600.” Oh, great. How does that play politically? Pretty good? And this has nothing to do with politics. But how does it play politically? China destroyed these people. We didn’t destroy. China destroyed them, totally destroyed them. We want to give them $600, and they just wouldn’t change. I said, “Give them $2000. We’ll pay it back. We’ll pay it back fast. You already owe 26 trillion. Give them a couple of bucks. Let them live. Give them a couple of bucks!”

                  Donald Trump: (26:57)
                  And some of the people here disagree with me on that. But I just say, look, you got to let people live. And how does that play though? Okay, number one, it’s the right thing to do. But how does that play politically? I think it’s the primary reason, one of the primary reasons, the other was just pure cheating. That was the super primary reason. But you can’t do that. You got to use your head.

                  Donald Trump: (27:19)
                  As you know the media is constantly asserted the outrageous lie that there was no evidence of widespread fraud. You ever see these people? “While there is no evidence of fraud…” Oh, really? Well, I’m going to read you pages. I hope you don’t get bored listening to it. Promise? Don’t get bored listening to it, all those hundreds of thousands of people back there. Move them up, please. Yeah. All these people don’t get bored. Don’t get angry at me because you’re going to get bored because it’s so much. The American people do not believe the corrupt fake news anymore. They have ruined their reputation.

                  Donald Trump: (27:57)
                  But it used to be that they’d argue with me, I’d fight. So I’d fight, they’d fight. I’d fight, they’d fight. Boop-boop. You’d believe me, you’d believe them. Somebody comes out. They had their point of view, I had my point of view. But you’d have an argument. Now what they do is they go silent. It’s called suppression. And that’s what happens in a communist country. That’s what they do. They suppress. You don’t fight with them anymore, unless it’s a bad. They have a little bad story about me, they’ll make it 10 times worse and it’s a major headline. But Hunter Biden, they don’t talk about him. What happened to Hunter? Where’s Hunter? Where is Hunter? They don’t talk about him.

                  Donald Trump: (28:34)
                  Now watch all the sets will go off. Well, they can’t do that because they get good ratings. The ratings are too good. Now where is Hunter? And how come Joe was allowed to give a billion dollars of money to get rid of the prosecutor in Ukraine? How does that happen? I’d ask you that question. How does that happen? Can you imagine if I said that? If I said that it would be a whole different ball game. And how come Hunter gets three and a half million dollars from the Mayor of Moscow’s wife, and gets hundreds of thousands of dollars to sit on an energy board even though he admits he has no knowledge of energy, and millions of dollars up front, and how come they go into China and they leave with billions of dollars to manage? “Have you managed money before?” “No, I haven’t.” “Oh, that’s good. Here’s about 3 billion.”

                  Donald Trump: (29:29)
                  No, they don’t talk about that. No, we have a corrupt media. They’ve gone silent. They’ve gone dead. I now realize how good it was if you go back 10 years. I realized how good, even though I didn’t necessarily love him, I realized how good it was like a cleansing motion. But we don’t have that anymore. We don’t have a fair media anymore. It’s suppression and you have to be very careful with that. And they’ve lost all credibility in this country. We will not be intimidated into accepting the hoaxes and the lies that we’ve been forced to believe over the past several weeks. We’ve amassed overwhelming evidence about a fake election. This is the presidential election. Last night was a little bit better because of the fact that we had a lot of eyes watching one specific state, but they cheated like hell anyway.

                  Donald Trump: (30:27)
                  You have one of the dumbest governors in the United States. And when I endorsed him, I didn’t know this guy. At the request of David Perdue. He said, “A friend of mine is running for Governor, what’s his name.” And you know the rest. He was in fourth place, fifth place. I don’t know. He was way… He was doing poorly. I endorsed him. He went like a rocket ship and he won. And then I had to beat Stacey Abrams with this guy, Brian Kemp. I had to beat Stacey Abrams and I had to beat Oprah, used to be a friend of mine. I was on her last show. Her last week she picked the five outstanding people. I don’t think she thinks that anymore. Once I ran for president, I didn’t notice there were too many calls coming in from Oprah. Believe it or not, she used to like me, but I was one of the five outstanding people.

                  Donald Trump: (31:17)
                  And I had a campaign against Michelle Obama and Barack Hussein Obama against Stacey. And I had Brian Kemp, he weighs 130 pounds. He said he played offensive line in football. I’m trying to figure that. I’m still trying to figure that out. He said that the other night, “I was an offensive lineman.” I’m saying, “Really? That must’ve been a really small team.” But I look at that and I look at what’s happened, and he turned out to be a disaster. This stuff happens.

                  Donald Trump: (31:50)
                  Look, I’m not happy with the Supreme Court. They love to rule against me. I picked three people. I fought like hell for them, one in particular I fought. They all said, “Sir, cut him loose. He’s killing us.” The senators, very loyal senators. They’re very loyal people. “Sir, cut him loose. He’s killing us, sir. Cut him loose, sir.” I must’ve gotten half of the senators. I said, “No, I can’t do that. It’s unfair to him. And it’s unfair to the family. He didn’t do anything wrong. They’re made up stories.” They were all made up stories. He didn’t do anything wrong. “Cut him loose, sir.” I said, “No, I won’t do that.” We got him through. And you know what? They couldn’t give a damn. They couldn’t give a damn. Let them rule the right way, but it almost seems that they’re all going out of their way to hurt all of us, and to hurt our country. To hurt our country.

                  Donald Trump: (32:40)
                  I read a story in one of the newspapers recently how I control the three Supreme Court justices. I control them. They’re puppets. I read it about Bill Barr, that he’s my personal attorney. That he’ll do anything for me. And I said, “It really is genius,” because what they do is that, and it makes it really impossible for them to ever give you a victory, because all of a sudden Bill Barr changed, if you hadn’t noticed. I like Bill Barr, but he changed, because he didn’t want to be considered my personal attorney. And the Supreme Court, they rule against me so much. You know why? Because the story is I haven’t spoken to any of them, any of them, since virtually they got in. But the story is that they’re my puppet. That they’re puppets. And now that the only way they can get out of that, because they hate that, it’s not good on the social circuit. And the only way they get out is to rule against Trump. So let’s rule against Trump, and they do that. So I want to congratulate them.

                  Donald Trump: (33:41)
                  But it shows you the media’s genius. In fact, probably, if I was the media, I’d do it the same way. I hate to say it. But we got to get them straightened out. Today, for the sake of our democracy, for the sake of our Constitution, and for the sake of our children, we lay out the case for the entire world to hear. You want to hear it?

                  Crowd: (34:04)
                  Yes!

                  Donald Trump: (34:06)
                  In every single swing state, local officials, state officials, almost all Democrats made illegal and unconstitutional changes to election procedures without the mandated approvals by the state legislatures, that these changes paved the way for fraud on a scale never seen before. And I think we’d go a long way outside of our country when I say that.

                  Donald Trump: (34:34)
                  So just in a nutshell, you can’t make a change on voting for a federal election unless the state legislature approves it. No judge can do it. Nobody can do it, only a legislature. So as an example in Pennsylvania or whatever, you have a Republican legislature, you have a Democrat mayor, and you have a lot of Democrats all over the place. They go to the legislature, the legislature laughs at them. Says, “We’re not going to do that.” They say, “Thank you very much.” And they go and make the changes themselves. They do it anyway. And that’s totally illegal. That’s totally illegal. You can’t do that.

                  Donald Trump: (35:13)
                  In Pennsylvania, the Democrat Secretary of State and the Democrat State Supreme Court justices illegally abolished the signature verification requirements just 11 days prior to the election. So think of what they did. No longer is there signature verification. Oh, that’s okay. We want voter ID by the way. But no longer is their signature verification, 11 days before the election! They say, “We don’t want it.” You know why they don’t want it? Because they want to cheat. That’s the only reason. Who would even think of that? We don’t want to verify a signature? There were over 205,000 more ballots counted in Pennsylvania. Now think of this. You had 205,000 more ballots than you had voters. That means you had 200… Where did they come from? You know where they came from? Somebody’s imagination. Whatever they needed. So in Pennsylvania you had 205,000 more votes than you had voters! And it’s the number is actually much greater than that now. That was as of a week ago. And this is a mathematical impossibility, unless you want to say it’s a total fraud. So Pennsylvania was defrauded.

                  Donald Trump: (36:35)
                  Over 8000 ballots in Pennsylvania were cast by people whose names and dates of birth match individuals who died in 2020 and prior to the election. Think of that. Dead people! Lots of dead people, thousands. And some dead people actually requested an application. That bothers me even more. Not only are they voting, they want an application to vote. One of them was 29 years ago died. It’s incredible.

                  Donald Trump: (37:05)
                  Over 14,000 ballots were cast by out-of-state voters. So these are voters that don’t live in the state. And by the way, these numbers are what they call outcome determinative. Meaning these numbers far surpass… I lost by a very little bit. These numbers are massive. Massive. More than 10,000 votes in Pennsylvania were illegally counted, even though they were received after Election Day. In other words, “They were received after Election Day, let’s count them anyway!” And what they did in many cases is they did fraud. They took the date and they moved it back, so that it no longer is after Election Day. And more than 60,000 ballots in Pennsylvania were reported received back. They got back before they were ever supposedly mailed out. In other words, you got the ballot back before you mailed it!

                  Donald Trump: (38:03)
                  … they were supposedly mailed out, in other words, you got the ballot back before you mailed it, which is also logically and logistically impossible. Think of that one. You got the ballot back. Let’s send the ballots. Oh, they’ve already been sent. But we got the ballot back before they were sent. I don’t think that’s too good.

                  Donald Trump: (38:23)
                  Twenty-five thousand ballots in Pennsylvania were requested by nursing home residents, all in a single giant batch, not legal. Indicating an enormous illegal ballot harvesting operation. You’re not allowed to do it. It’s against the law. The day before the election, the State of Pennsylvania reported the number of absentee ballots that had been sent out. Yet this number was suddenly and drastically increased by 400,000 people. It was increased. Nobody knows where it came from by 400,000 ballots. One day after the election, it remains totally unexplained. They said, “Well, we can’t figure that.” Now that’s many, many times what it would take to overthrow the state. Just that one element. 400,000 ballots appeared from nowhere, right after the election.

                  Donald Trump: (39:16)
                  By the way, Pennsylvania has now seen all of this. They didn’t know because it was so quick. They had a vote, they voted, but now they see all this stuff. It’s all come to light. Doesn’t happen that fast. And they want to re certify their votes. They want to re certify. But the only way that can happen is if Mike Pence agrees to send it back.

                  Donald Trump: (39:43)
                  Mike Pence has to agree to send it back. And many people in Congress want it sent back, and take of what you’re doing. Let’s say you don’t do it. Somebody says, “Well, we have to obey the constitution.” And you are, because you’re protecting our country and you’re protecting the constitution, so you are. But think of what happens. Let’s say they’re stiffs and they’re stupid people. And they say, “Well, we really have no choice.” Even though Pennsylvania and other states want to redo their votes, they want to see the numbers. They already have the numbers. Go very quickly and they want to redo their legislature because many of these votes were taken as I said, because it wasn’t approved by their legislature. That in itself is illegal and then you have the scam and that’s all of the things that we’re talking about. But think of this: if you don’t do that, that means you will have a president of the United States for four years, with his wonderful son.

                  Donald Trump: (40:50)
                  You will have a president who lost all of these states, or you will have a president to put it another way, who was voted on by a bunch of stupid people who lost all of these things. You will have an illegitimate president, that’s what you’ll have. And we can’t let that happen. These are the facts that you won’t hear from the fake news media. It’s all part of the suppression effort. They don’t want to talk about it. They don’t want to talk about it. In fact, when I started talking about that, I guarantee you a lot of the television sets and a lot of those cameras went off and that’s how a lot of cameras back there. But a lot of them went off, but these are the things you don’t hear about. You don’t hear what you just heard. And I’m going to go over a few more states. But you don’t hear it by the people who want to deceive you and demoralize you and control you, big tech, media.

                  Donald Trump: (41:48)
                  Just like the suppression polls that said, we’re going to lose Wisconsin by 17 points, well we won Wisconsin. They don’t have it that way because they lose just by a little sliver. But they had me down the day before Washington Post, ABC poll, down 17 points. I called up a real pollster. I said, “What is that?” “Sir, that’s called a suppression poll. I think you’re going to win Wisconsin, sir.” I said, “But why do they make it four or five points?” “Because then people vote. But when you’re down 17, they say, ‘Hey, I’m not going to waste my time. I love the president, but there’s no way.’” Despite that, we won Wisconsin, you’ll see. But that’s called suppression because a lot of people, when they see that, it’s very interesting. This pollster said, “Sir, if you’re down three, four or five people vote. When you go down 17, they say, ‘Let’s save, let’s go and have dinner, and let’s watch the presidential defeat tonight on television darling.’”

                  Donald Trump: (42:49)
                  And just like the radical left tries to blacklist you on social media, every time I put out a tweet, even if it’s totally correct, totally correct. I get a flag. I get a flag. And they also don’t let you get out. On Twitter, it’s very hard to come on to my account. It’s very hard to get out a message. They don’t let the message get out nearly like they should, but I’ve had many people say, “I can’t get on your Twitter.” I don’t care about Twitter. Twitter is bad news. They’re all bad news. But you know what? If you want to get out of message. And if you want to go through big tech, social media, they are really, if you’re a conservative, if you’re a Republican, if you have a big voice, I guess they call it shadow ban. Shadow ban. They shadow ban you and it should be illegal. I’ve been telling these Republicans get rid of Section 230.

                  Donald Trump: (43:47)
                  And for some reason, Mitch and the group, they don’t want to put it in there. And they don’t realize that that’s going to be the end of the Republican party as we know it, but it’s never going to be the end of us, never. Let them get out. Let the weak ones get out. This is a time for strength. They also want to indoctrinate your children in school by teaching them things that aren’t so. They want to indoctrinate your children. It’s all part of the comprehensive assault on our democracy and the American people to finally standing up and saying, “No.” This crowd is again a testament to it. I did no advertising. I did nothing. You do have some groups that are big supporters. I want to thank that Amy and everybody, we have some incredible supporters, incredible, but we didn’t do anything. This just happened.

                  Donald Trump: (44:39)
                  Two months ago, we had a massive crowd come down to Washington. I said, “What are they there for.” “Sir, they’re there for you.” We have nothing to do with it. These groups, they’re forming all over the United States. And we got to remember, in a year from now, you’re going to start working on Congress. And we got to get rid of the weak congresspeople, the ones that aren’t any good, the Liz Cheneys of the world, we got to get rid of them. We got to get rid of them. She never wants a soldier brought home. I’ve brought a lot of our soldiers home. I don’t know, some like it. They’re in countries that nobody even knows the name. Nobody knows where they are. They’re dying. They’re great, but they’re dying. They’re losing their arms, their legs, their face. I brought them back home, largely back home, Afghanistan, Iraq. Remember I used to say in the old days, “Don’t go into Iraq. But if you go in, keep the oil.” We didn’t keep the oil. So stupid. So stupid, these people. And Iraq has billions and billions of dollars now in the bank. And what did we do? We get nothing. We never get. But we do actually, we kept the oil here. We did good. We got rid of the ISIS caliphate. We got rid of plenty of different things that everybody knows and the rebuilding of our military in three years, people said it couldn’t be done. And it was all made in the USA, all made in the USA. Best equipment in the world. In Wisconsin, corrupt Democrat run cities deployed more than 500 illegal unmanned, unsecured drop boxes, which collected a minimum of 91,000 unlawful votes. It was razor thin the loss. This one thing alone is much more than we would need, but there are many things.

                  Donald Trump: (46:29)
                  They have these lockboxes and they pick them up and they disappear for two days. People would say, “Where’s that box?” They disappeared. Nobody even knew where the hell it was. In addition, over 170,000 absentee votes were counted in Wisconsin without a valid absentee ballot application. So they had a vote, but they had no application. And that’s illegal in Wisconsin. Meaning those votes were blatantly done in opposition to state law. And they came 100% from Democrat areas, such as Milwaukee and Madison, 100%. In Madison, 17,000 votes were deposited in so-called human drop boxes. You know what that is, right? Where operatives stuff thousands of unsecured ballots into duffel bags on park benches across the city in complete defiance of cease and desist letters from state legislature. The state legislature said, “Don’t do it.” They’re the only ones that could approve it. They gave tens of thousands of votes.

                  Donald Trump: (47:37)
                  They came in in duffel bags. Where the hell did they come from? According to eyewitness testimony, postal service workers in Wisconsin were also instructed to illegally backdate approximately 100,000 ballots. The margin of difference in Wisconsin was less than 20,000 votes. Each one of these things alone wins us the state. Great state, we love the state, we won the state. In Georgia, your secretary of state, I can’t believe this guy’s a Republican. He loves recording telephone conversations. I thought it was a great conversation personally, so did a lot of other … people love that conversation, because it says what’s going on. These people are crooked. They’re 100% in my opinion, one of the most corrupt. Between your governor and your secretary of state. And now you have it again last night, just take a look at what happened, what a mess and the Democrat party operatives entered into an illegal and unconstitutional settlement agreement that drastically weakened signature verification and other election security procedures.

                  Donald Trump: (48:53)
                  Stacey Abrams, she took them to lunch and I beat her two years ago with a bad candidate, Brian Kemp. But the Democrats, took the Republicans to lunch because the secretary of state had no clue what the hell was happening, unless he did have a clue. That’s interesting. Maybe he was with the other side, but we’ve been trying to get verifications of signatures in Fulton County. They won’t let us do it. The only reason they won’t is because we’ll find things in the hundreds of thousands. Why wouldn’t they let us verify signatures and Fulton County? Which is known for being very corrupt. They won’t do it. They go to some other county where you would live. I said, “That’s not the problem. The problem is Fulton County.” Home of Stacey Abrams. She did a good job. I congratulate her, but it was done in such a way that we can’t let this stuff happen.

                  Donald Trump: (49:53)
                  We won’t have a country of it happens. As a result Georgia’s absentee ballot rejection rate was more than 10 times lower than previous levels, because the criteria was so off, 48 counties in Georgia with thousands and thousands of votes rejected zero ballots. There wasn’t one ballot. In other words, in a year in which more mail-in ballots were sent than ever before, and more people were voting by mail for the first time, the rejection rate was drastically lower than it had ever been before. The only way this can be explained is if tens of thousands of illegitimate votes were added to the tally, that’s the only way you could explain it. By the way, you’re talking about tens of thousands. If Georgia had merely rejected the same number of unlawful ballots, as in other years, there should have been approximately 45,000 ballots rejected, far more than what we needed to win, just over 11,000.

                  Donald Trump: (50:59)
                  They should find those votes. They should absolutely find that just over 11,000 votes, that’s all we need. They defrauded us out of a win in Georgia, and we’re not going to forget it. There’s only one reason the Democrats could possibly want to eliminate signature matching, oppose voter ID and stop citizenship confirmation. Are you in citizenship? You’re not allowed to ask that question. Because they want to steal the election. The radical left knows exactly what they’re doing. They’re ruthless and it’s time that somebody did something about it. And Mike Pence, I hope you’re going to stand up for the good of our constitution and for the good of our country. And if you’re not, I’m going to be very disappointed in you. I will tell you right now. I’m not hearing good stories. In Fulton County, republican poll Watchers were rejected in some cases, physically from the room under the false pretense of a pipe burst.

                  Donald Trump: (52:03)
                  Water main burst, everybody leave. Which we now know was a total lie. Then election officials pull boxes, Democrats and suitcases of ballots out from under a table. You all saw it on television, totally fraudulent. And illegally scanned them for nearly two hours totally unsupervised. Tens of thousands of votes, as that coincided with a mysterious vote dump of up to 100,000 votes for Joe Biden, almost none for Trump. Oh, that sounds fair. That was at 1:34 AM. The Georgia secretary of state and pathetic governor of Georgia … although he says, I’m a great president. I sort of maybe have to change. He said the other day, “Yes, I disagree with president, but he’s been a great president.” Oh, good. Thanks. Thank you very much. Because of him and others. Brian Kemp, vote him the hell out of office, please.

                  Donald Trump: (53:05)
                  Well, his rates are so low, his approval rating now, I think it just reached a record low. They’ve rejected five separate appeals for an independent and comprehensive audit of signatures in Fulton County. Even without an audit, the number of fraudulent ballots that we’ve identified across the state is staggering. Over 10,300 ballots in Georgia were cast by individuals whose names and dates of birth match Georgia residents who died in 2020 and prior to the election. More than 2,500 ballots were cast by individuals whose names and dates of birth match incarcerated felons in Georgia prison. People who are not allowed to vote. More than 4,500 illegal ballots were cast by individuals who do not appear on the state’s own voter rolls. Over 18,000 illegal ballots were cast by individuals who registered to vote using an address listed as vacant, according to the postal service. At least 88,000 ballots in Georgia were cast by people whose registrations were illegally backdated.

                  Donald Trump: (54:18)
                  Each one of these is far more than we need. 66,000 votes in Georgia were cast by individuals under the legal voting age. And at least 15,000 ballots were cast by individuals who moved out of the state prior to November 3rd election. They say they moved right back. They move right back. Oh, they moved out. They moved right back. Okay. They miss Georgia that much. I do. I love Georgia, but it’s a corrupt system. Despite all of this, the margin in Georgia is only 11,779 votes. Each and every one of these issues is enough to give us a victory in Georgia, a big, beautiful victory. Make no mistake, this selection stolen from you, from me and from the country. And not a single swing state has conducted a comprehensive audit to remove the illegal ballots. This should absolutely occur in every single contestant state before the election is certified.

                  Donald Trump: (55:21)
                  In the State of Arizona, over 36,000 ballots were illegally cast by non-citizens. 2000 ballots were returned with no address. More than 22,000 ballots were returned before they were ever supposedly mailed out. They returned, but we haven’t mailed them yet. 11,600 more ballots and votes were counted more than there were actual voters. You see that? So you have more votes again than you have voters.

                  Donald Trump: (55:51)
                  150,000 people registered in Maya Copa County after the registration deadline. 103,000 ballots in the county were sent for electronic adjudication with no Republican observers. In Clark County, Nevada, the accuracy settings on signature verification machines were purposely lowered before they were used to count over 130,000 ballots. If you signed your name as Santa Claus, it would go through. There were also more than 42,000 double votes in Nevada. Over 150, 000 people were hurt so badly by what took place. And 1500 ballots were cast by individuals whose names and dates of birth match Nevada residents who died in 2020, prior to November 3rd election. More than 8,000 votes were cast by individuals who had no address and probably didn’t live there. The margin in Nevada is down at a very low number. Any of these things would have taken care of the situation. We would have won-

                  Donald Trump: (57:03)
                  Any of these things would have taken care of the situation. We would have won Nevada also. Every one of these we’re going over, we win. In Michigan quickly, the secretary of state, a real great one, flooded the state with unsolicited mail-in ballot applications, sent to every person on the rolls, in direct violation of state law. More than 17,000 Michigan ballots were cast by individuals whose names and dates of birth matched people who were deceased. In Wayne County, that’s a great one. That’s Detroit. 174,000 ballots were counted without being tied to an actual registered voter. Nobody knows where they came from. Also in Wayne County, poll watches observed canvassers re-scanning batches of ballots over and over again, up to three or four or five times. In Detroit, turnout was 139% of registered voters. Think of that. So you had 139% of the people in Detroit voting. This is in Michigan, Detroit, Michigan.

                  Donald Trump: (58:08)
                  A career employee of the Detroit, City of Detroit, testified under penalty of perjury that she witnessed city workers coaching voters to vote straight Democrat, while accompanying them to watch who they voted for. When a Republican came in, they wouldn’t talk to him. The same worker was instructed not to ask for any voter ID and not to attempt to validate any signatures if they were Democrats. She also told to illegally, and was told backdate ballots received after the deadline and reports that thousands and thousands of ballots were improperly backdated. That’s Michigan. Four witnesses have testified under penalty of perjury that after officials in Detroit announced the last votes had been counted, tens of thousands of additional ballots arrived without required envelopes. Every single one was for a Democrat. I got no votes.

                  Donald Trump: (59:10)
                  At 6:31 AM, in the early morning hours after voting had ended, Michigan suddenly reported 147,000 votes. An astounding 94% went to Joe Biden, who campaigned brilliantly from his basement. Only a couple of percentage points went to Trump. Such gigantic and one-sided vote dumps were only observed in a few swing states and they were observed in the states where it was necessary. You know what’s interesting, President Obama beat Biden in every state other than the swing states where Biden killed him. But the swing States were the ones that mattered. There were always just enough to push Joe Biden barely into the lead. We were ahead by a lot and within the number of hours we were losing by a little.

                  Donald Trump: (01:00:03)
                  In addition, there is the highly troubling matter of Dominion voting systems. In one Michigan County alone, 6,000 votes were switched from Trump to Biden and the same systems are used in the majority of states in our country. Senator William Ligon, a great gentleman, chairman of Georgia Senate Judiciary Subcommittee, Senator Ligon, highly respected on elections has written a letter describing his concerns with Dominion in Georgia.

                  Donald Trump: (01:00:40)
                  He wrote, and I quote, “The Dominion voting machines employed in Fulton County had an astronomical and astounding 93.67% error rate.” It’s only wrong 93% of the time. “In the scanning of ballots requiring a review panel to adjudicate or determine the voter’s interest, in over 106,000 ballots out of a total of 113,000.” Think of it, you go in and you vote and then they tell people who you’re supposed to be voting for. They make up whatever they want. Nobody’s ever even heard. They adjudicate your vote. They say, “Well, we don’t think Trump wants to vote for Trump. We think he wants to vote for Biden. Put it down for Biden.” The national average for such an error rate is far less than 1% and yet you’re at 93%. ” The source of this astronomical error rate must be identified to determine if these machines were set up or destroyed to allow for a third party to disregard the actual ballot cast by the registered voter.”

                  Donald Trump: (01:01:44)
                  The letter continues, “There is clear evidence that tens of thousands of votes were switched from President Trump to former Vice President Biden in several counties in Georgia. For example, in Bibb County, President Trump was reported to have 29, 391 votes at 9:11 PM Eastern time. While simultaneously Vice President Joe Biden was reported to have 17,213. Minutes later, just minutes, at the next update, these vote numbers switched with President Trump going way down to 17,000 and Biden going way up to 29,391.” And that was very quick, a 12,000 vote switch, all in Mr. Biden’s favor.

                  Donald Trump: (01:02:31)
                  So, I mean, I could go on and on about this fraud that took place in every state and all of these legislatures want this back. I don’t want to do it to you because I love you and it’s freezing out here, but I could just go on forever. I can tell you this…

                  Speaker 1: (01:02:52)
                  We love you. We love you. We love you. We love you. We love you. We love you. We love you. We love you.

                  Donald Trump: (01:03:03)
                  So when you hear, when you hear, “While there is no evidence to prove any wrongdoing,” this is the most fraudulent thing anybody’s… This is a criminal enterprise. This is a criminal enterprise and the press will say, and I’m sure they won’t put any of that on there because that’s no good, do you ever see, “While there is no evidence to back President Trump’s assertion,” I could go on for another hour reading this stuff to you and telling you about it. There’s never been anything like it. Think about it, Detroit had more votes than it had voters. Pennsylvania had 205,000 more votes than it had more, but you don’t have to go any… Between that, I think that’s almost better than dead people, if you think, right? More votes than they had voters, and many other States are also.

                  Donald Trump: (01:03:56)
                  It’s a disgrace that the United States of America, tens of millions of people are allowed to go vote without so much as even showing identification. In no state is there any question or effort made to verify the identity, citizenship, residency, or eligibility of the votes cast. The Republicans have to get tougher. You’re not going to have a Republican party if you don’t get tougher. They want to play so straight, they want to play so, “Sir, yes, the United States, the constitution doesn’t allow me to send them back to the States.” Well, I say, “Yes, it does because the constitution says you have to protect our country and you have to protect our constitution and you can’t vote on fraud,” and fraud breaks up everything, doesn’t it? When you catch somebody in a fraud, you’re allowed to go by very different rules. So I hope Mike has the courage to do what he has to do. And I hope he doesn’t listen to the RINOs and the stupid people that he’s listening to. It is also widely understood that the voter rolls are crammed full of non-citizens, felons and people who have moved out of state and individuals who are otherwise ineligible to vote. Yet Democrats oppose every effort to clean up their voter rolls. They don’t want to clean them up, they are loaded. And how many people here know other people that when the hundreds of thousands and then millions of ballots got sent out, got three, four, five, six, and I heard one who got seven ballots. And then they say, “You didn’t quite make it, sir.” We won. We won in a landslide. This was a landslide.

                  Donald Trump: (01:05:43)
                  They said, “It’s not American to challenge the election.” This is the most corrupt election in the history, maybe of the world. You know, you could go third world countries, but I don’t think they had hundreds of thousands of votes and they don’t have voters for them. I mean, no matter where you go, nobody would think this. In fact, it’s so egregious, it’s so bad, that a lot of people don’t even believe it. It’s so crazy that people don’t even believe it. It can’t be true. So they don’t believe it. This is not just a matter of domestic politics, this is a matter of national security. So today, in addition to challenging the certification of the election, I’m calling on Congress and the state legislatures to quickly pass sweeping election reforms, and you better do it before we have no country left. Today is not the end. It’s just the beginning.

                  Donald Trump: (01:06:37)
                  With your help over the last four years, we built the greatest political movement in the history of our country and nobody even challenges that. I say that over and over, and I never get challenged by the fake news, and they challenge almost everything we say. But our fight against the big donors, big media, big tech and others is just getting started. This is the greatest in history. There’s never been a movement like that. You look back there all the way to the Washington Monument. It’s hard to believe. We must stop the steal and then we must ensure that such outrageous election fraud never happens again, can never be allowed to happen again, but we’re going forward. We’ll take care of going forward. We got to take care of going back. Don’t let them talk, “Okay, well we promise,” I’ve had a lot of people, “Sir, you’re at 96% for four years.” I said, “I’m not interested right now. I’m interested in right there.”

                  Donald Trump: (01:07:33)
                  With your help we will finally pass powerful requirements for voter ID. You need an ID to cash your check. You need an ID to go to a bank, to buy alcohol, to drive a car. Every person should need to show an ID in order to cast your most important thing, a vote. We will also require proof of American citizenship in order to vote in American elections. We just had a good victory in court on that one, actually. We will ban ballot harvesting and prohibit the use of unsecured drop boxes to commit rampant fraud. These drop boxes are fraudulent. There for, they get… They disappear and then all of a sudden they show up. It’s fraudulent. We will stop the practice of universal, unsolicited mail-in balloting. We will clean up the voter rolls that ensure that every single person who cast a vote is a citizen of our country, a resident of the state in which they vote and their vote is cast in a lawful and honest manner. We will restore the vital civic tradition of in-person voting on election day so that voters can be fully informed when they make their choice. We will finally hold big tech accountable and if these people had courage and guts, they would get rid of Section 230, something that no other company, no other person in America, in the world, has.

                  Donald Trump: (01:09:10)
                  All of these tech monopolies are going to abuse their power and interfere in our elections and it has to be stopped and the Republicans have to get a lot tougher and so should the Democrats. They should be regulated, investigated and brought to justice under the fullest extent of the law. They’re totally breaking the law. Together we will drain the Washington swamp and we will clean up the corruption in our nation’s capital. We have done a big job on it, but you think it’s easy, it’s a dirty business. It’s a dirty business. You have a lot of bad people out there. Despite everything we’ve been through, looking out all over this country and seeing fantastic crowds, although this I think is our all time record. I think you have 250, 000 people. 250,000.

                  Donald Trump: (01:10:05)
                  Looking out at all the amazing patriots here today, I have never been more confident in our nation’s future. Well, I have to say we have to be a little bit careful. That’s a nice statement, but we have to be a little careful with that statement. If we allow this group of people to illegally take over our country, because it’s illegal when the votes are illegal, when the way they got there is illegal, when the States that vote are given false and fraudulent information. We are the greatest country on earth and we are headed, and were headed, in the right direction. You know, the wall is built, we’re doing record numbers at the wall. Now they want to take down the wall. Let’s let everyone flow in. Let’s let everybody flow in.

                  Donald Trump: (01:10:52)
                  We did a great job in the wall. Remember the wall? They said it could never be done. One of the largest infrastructure projects we’ve ever had in this country and it’s had a tremendous impact and we got rid of catch and release, we got rid of all of the stuff that we had to live with. But now the caravans, they think Biden’s getting in, the caravans are forming again. They want to come in again and rip off our country. Can’t let it happen. As this enormous crowd shows, we have truth and justice on our side. We have a deep and enduring love for America in our hearts. We love our country. We have overwhelming pride in this great country, and we have it deep in our souls. Together we are determined to defend and preserve government of the people, by the people and for the people.

                  Donald Trump: (01:11:44)
                  Our brightest days are before us, our greatest achievements still wait. I think one of our great achievements will be election security because nobody until I came along, had any idea how corrupt our elections were. And again, most people would stand there at 9:00 in the evening and say, “I want to thank you very much,” and they go off to some other life, but I said, “Something’s wrong here. Something’s really wrong. Can’t have happened.” And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.

                  Donald Trump: (01:12:21)
                  Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun. My fellow Americans for our movement, for our children and for our beloved country and I say this, despite all that’s happened, the best is yet to come.

                  Donald Trump: (01:12:43)
                  So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give… The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

                  Donald Trump: (01:13:19)
                  So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I want to thank you all. God bless you and God bless America. Thank you all for being here, this is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you.

              3. The guy with an anonymous handle is complaining to the guy who gives his name about internet anonymity. Gotcha.

                And thank you very much for telling me what my reaction would or wouldn’t have been. Otherwise, I might have assumed my attitude of amused dismissal at the whole affair as ridiculous LARPing was genuine. Now, I’ve been informed of what I really think.

                The thing is, though, you’re acting just as much of ridiculous LARPer as those members of the Society for Creative Insurrection. A guy in a Viking costume parades around the capital and you think we’re in the middle of a revolution. A couple of idiots take selfies in somebody’s office and you think it’s the Beerhall Putsch. This wasn’t even the first or second most serious breach of US capitol security in living memory. Are you really so bored, is your life so empty, that you have to try to find some meaning in being a valiant warrior in the name of the political establishment?

      2. Next up, JFree tells us how the Iraq war was “courageous”.

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  5. Free Minds, Free Markets, and the Cheney family.

    Fuck you, Reason.

    About “Whataboutism”
    When turnabout is never fair play
    https://www.city-journal.org/about-whataboutism-and-political-hypocrisy

    …In any case, debating which rioters are more aggrieved only compounds the underlying problem: contending that any grievance qualifies the otherwise categorical rejection of rioting puts us on a slippery slope to a dangerous place. Perry inadvertently conveys how dangerous by claiming that the BLM riots were not really all that riotous. “The Black Lives Matter protests had no intention of being destructive,” he says, citing a study that determined that “93% of the 7,750 demonstrations . . . were peaceful.” In other words, 7 percent—some 543 demonstrations—were not peaceful. Because the report, by the Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project, examined an 89-day period from May 26 to August 22, 2020, that works out to an average of more than six violent events per day during last summer’s mostly peaceful BLM demonstrations. It appears that the property damage from these austere, placid gatherings totaled between $1 billion and $2 billion, and that some two dozen people were killed amid the prevailing tranquility….

  6. This is an insurrection, too. Fuck you, Reason. How badly would Sullum have wet his pants if this was a Dem president getting taken to a bunker for safety. Fuck you, Reason.

    Secret Service agents wounded outside White House, car bombs feared; official says Trump was taken to bunker
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-took-trump-to-underground-bunker-amid-george-floyd-protests

    Numerous Secret Service agents were injured, fires set by rioters blazed near the White House and authorities were searching for car bombs late Sunday as protests over the death of George Floyd continued to roil the capital just two days after President Trump had to be taken to a bunker for his safety.

    A senior official in the direct chain of command for defending Washington D.C. told Fox News of the injuries to Secret Service agents, some of whom were hurt by rioters throwing bottles and Molotov cocktails in Lafayette Park, just across from the presidential residence. The official initially put the number of agents injured at over 50, but that may have referred to the weekend toll; the Secret Service has since said the number injured on Sunday was 14….

    …The developments came as it emerged that the Secret Service took President Trump to the White House’s underground bunker on Friday night, when protests outside the complex intensified….

    1. That nobody here at Reason saw fit to express outrage, or even concern over that incident says they are ok with double standards.

      And also says they have no leg to stand on should anyone return the favor in the future.

      They have no credibility

      1. For the Reasonista, double standards are the best standards. You get to have twice as many as less principled publications.

    2. There were people in left wing media actually laughing that Trump had to go into the bunker.

  7. If they had a clear statement from Trump inciting a riot, they would be posting the video on every article.

    https://twitter.com/TastyChad/status/1349419477486731264
    Imagine how petrified they’d be if somebody stoked on by the media caught them off guard at a recreational activity… Like a congressional baseball game.

    They’d probably be talking about it for years and pass all sorts of new legislation to crack down on those dangerous ideas.

    1. https://twitter.com/toddstarnes/status/1349366183024349184

      If President Trump had told his supporters to attack Biden supporters in supermarkets and diners and gas stations, if he had told them to “absolutely harass” Democrats – I would endorse impeachment. But he didn’t say that — Maxine Waters did.

      1. It’s okay.
        The magic (D) absolves one of any sin.

        1. That used to be a joke we made. Now it’s part of the accepted rules.

  8. https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1349382841751252993

    If you are not responsible for a crowd burning down a police station after you told them that racist cops are hunting and killing black people, then Trump is not responsible for what happened on Wednesday. There is no getting around this. You can’t have it both ways.

    1. They can, and they will. Now shut up before someone shuts down all your bank accounts.

  9. Fuck you, Reason

    https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1349359860350124033
    Lead impeachment manager Jamie Raskin objected to Florida’s electoral votes in 2017.

  10. The threats and violence Twitter won’t police
    https://nypost.com/2021/01/12/the-threats-and-violence-twitter-wont-police/

    Twitter hosts a #KillTrump hashtag. In all of the glorious English language there is no clearer, plainer, or shorter way to call for violence than the word kill followed by someone’s name. But there it is. One of these tweets reads “#ArrestTrump not enough #KillTrump.” And this isn’t new, back in June the hashtag #AssassinateTrump was bouncing around the website with gems like “Someone take this clown out NOW.” That tweet is still up.

    Twitter
    And while Trump’s alleged calls for violence, in fact he explicitly called for peaceful protest, got him banned, the Ayatollah Khamenei tweeted this in November, “. . . Palestine will be free, while the fake Zionist regime will perish. There’s no doubt about this.” So encouraging a completely legal challenge to election results gets our President banned, but the leader of Iran’s brutal state threatening to wipe out Israel is no problem at all.

    Twitter
    There is a Twitter account that calls itself “Pigs In A Blanket, Fry Em Like Bacon,” a call to kill police that is also found in myriad tweets. There is currently a tweet up from the day of the Capitol riots that reads “I hope the Trumpers out there all die of Covid. When Congressman elect Luke Letlow did die with Covid there were tweets celebrating or calling it justice.

  11. Since this is just another sullum article that rehashes his own biases let’s instead talk about how Apple will be sending money to only promote certain favored people and not anyone else. Is that Tim’s white supremacist guilt or something else.

  12. https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1349424270712168448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    This is how fake news works. They’re all partisans waiting to attack Republicans which makes them incapable of an objective thought process before they jump to get outrage clicks. Rep. Gohmert was quoting Nancy Pelosi when she tried to whip up rage in 2018.

  13. One of those honorable exceptions was Rep. Liz Cheney (R–Wyo.), the third-ranking Republican in the House. Cheney, like McConnell, initially said “it’s the responsibility of the courts” to address election fraud claims. But by November 20—the day after the president’s legal team held a bizarre press conference highlighting the loony conspiracy theory promoted by Trump, Rudy Giuliani, and Sidney Powell—she was losing patience.

    This is a fucking new low for this website. Praising Liz. Fucking. Cheney. This is fucking disgusting. We going to get the libertarian case for the destruction of Iran and authoritarianism next?

    1. destruction of Iran

      Local story.

  14. Biden calls for unity, so impeaching Trump, pursuing all Trump supporters to the ends of the earth, and denying them any outlet for speech should do the job. Unity the way it is done in China.
    You won, so let it rest.

    1. They won’t let it rest because it’s not about winning. It’s about power for the sake of power.

      1. ^THIS EXACTLY — And it’s been about *power* from the very beginning. The taking of the Power from the people and giving it to the federal government. The Power that has grown so LARGE it’s become a steak between dogs.

    2. When Orwell wrote “If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever”, he wasn’t being metaphorical.

      The DNC modus operandi has always been “In defeat, malice. In victory, revenge”.

  15. I don’t even need to read past the headline to know that anti-Trump=courageous and noble and good while pro-Trump=cowardly and nasty and evil.

  16. “But the fact that McConnell’s ‘thinking’ about the merits of tying the GOP’s future to Trump did not change decisively until his own workplace was attacked by the president’s deluded followers…”

    Similar to how Democrats “thinking” about how attacking government buildings and causing property damage therein didn’t change from being “not violence” (it’s insured, isn’t it?) to being “sedition” until their own government building was attacked by those who also believed their actions were somehow justified.

  17. Just remember rand Paul voulenteering at a hospital to take care of chink flu patience, and getting bricks thrown at him because he actually proposed criminal justice reform (explain that on blm counts) while calling out the survalance state. Tom Massie standing up and saying that he voted against the chink virus relief package and showing that all of congress is liars for saying it was unanimous… Those 2 people are not heroic. Nope the only heros are the ones who agree with the author. Next we will get an article about the heroic libritarian socialists.

    1. There was nothing impeachable about Obama overseeing the mass surveillance state, starting a war in Libya, knowingly and falsely blaming some Youtube moron for instigating the embassy debacle, spying on journalists, and the list goes on and on…

      1. Chocolate Jesus heroically drone-killed 2 American citizens, one only 16 yrs old.

    2. It’s only heroic to stand with the crowd and authorities

  18. I don’t think a Pence presidency is necessarily unreachable. Considering the neocons and vainglorious fools most likely to run in 2024, Pence may prove the most bearable of the field to primary voters.

    1. The way things are going, Manchin could be the Republican frontrunner in 2024.

    2. Pence is the front runner to be honest. These people are delusional if they think he has no chance at the nomination.

      1. He certainly conducted himself well in the vp debate. The media obviously spun his performance negatively, but he came across as calm, measured, informed, and presidential. Was never a fan of his pick until then

        1. I was impressed by his calm, reasonableness. But America don’t want that, they want flashy, loud, ‘charisma’. Pence will get trampled.

  19. Liz Cheney is good now? What the hell is going on in the Reason offices?

    1. She’s a GBLT, and reminds ENB of he college days…

    2. If it weren’t for double standards, TeenReason would have no standards at all.

  20. It’s like the media can feel it slipping through their fingers.

  21. “Whataboutism” is a logical fallacy, arguably a version of tu quoque. I know this will be shocking to some readers, but the rules of logic and reason are similar to the rules of mathematics. Logical fallacies are invalid, even when authors find them really appealing, i.e., “but what about the Black Lives Matter protests?” In no small measure the rules of logic ensure we are talking about “the issue” rather than say, the person (the ad hominem fallacy). Arguing with people on the Internet who fail to recognize any rules of logic is like playing chess with someone who eats the pieces. It may be amusing for a moment, but it’s not a very productive use of time.

    One of the tasks of journalism is writing the proverbial first draft of history. Sullum’s piece is almost entirely editorial but it does document what some people said and did. It seems nearly impossible to have a rational dialogue about anything political, but maybe in 100 years, historians can take a more measured view of the Trump years. Maybe.

    1. Special pleading is a logical fallacy, too.

    2. “Logical fallacies are invalid, ”

      Nope. They’re fallacious but sometimes also valid. Only people who learned about them on the internet think they are blanket invalid

    3. It is not a logical fallacy when the issue is the breakdown of rule of law via the application of double standards. Commenters here and elsewhere have made that clear for some time.

      Labeling this “whataboutism” is just your way of defending double standards.

    4. So putting an event in context is a logical fallacy? WTF!

  22. FuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYou

    Your group sets off a bomb in the Senate building, and Bill Clinton pardons you Jan
    13

    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/01/13/bad-thing-set-off-in-senate-building-bill-clinton-pardons-the-perp/

    “[M19 member Susan] Rosenberg, sentenced to 58 years on explosives charges, was pardoned by President Bill Clinton on his last day in office. [M19 member] Judith Clark, convicted of murder in the Brinks case, had her sentence commuted by Gov. Andrew Cuomo…”

    And now, for an even further punch line, let’s go to Snopes, who readily acknowledges…concerning Susan Rosenberg…

    “Susan Rosenberg [long after Bill Clinton pardoned her] has served as vice chair of the board of directors for Thousand Currents, an organization that provides fundraising and fiscal sponsorship for the Black Lives Matter Global Movement.”

    Revolutionary group, bombers, Senate bombing, pardons from Bill Clinton and Andrew Cuomo, board of directors for a group that does extensive fundraising and administration for Black Lives Matter, BLM/Antifa-led riots of destruction in cities across America.

    Ho-hum. No problem.

    Again, try to imagine what would be happening if, during the recent Capitol break-in, a bomb had been set off, and the FBI blamed a Trump supporter…

  23. Stop. There were ZERO profiles of courage from Republicans during Trump’s tenure…other than guys like Rick Wilson, Steve Schmidt…a handful.

    All those people you think showed courage were silent during the last 4 years when Trump TOLD them exactly who he was and where this all would lead. Nary a complaint from them when children were separated from mothers, when Trump instructed his AG to arrest and prosecute his political rivals, when Trump cozied up to every dictator, when Trump tried to excuse white nationalists, when Trump said the first election was rigged until he won, and when Trump asked Russia for dirt on his opponent.

    All of them had a chance to avert this catastrophe in the first impeachment, and all declined. All were afraid then.

    You have a low bar for courage profiles.

    1. You doth protest too much for arresting and prosecuting political rivals.

      1. Aye, that’s the rub.

        1. You’re a villainous monster, we get it.

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  24. Jesus Christ, Reason. Just fucking change your name to Vox already. This publication gets worse every day. Liz Cheney is neocon garbage political opportunist, just like the rest of them, and they’re all just jumping back in line, hoping to get their fucking corporate sponsors back. Jacob Sullum is the new Shikha.

    1. Jacob Sullum is the new Shikha.

      But will KMW have the guts to can this fool?

  25. Getting on Pence is bullshit.

    In the last week, Pence has withstood immense pressure from Trump, his allies, and his supporters to violate the Constitution and influence the election result. Trump apparently kept Pence in his office for several hours relentlessly hounding him to do what Trump wanted, and Trump is a guy that knows how to tongue lash.

    And he’s has withstood public pressure from Pelosi, the media, “experts” and so on to abuse the 25th amendment to remove Trump. Pelosi, who can’t impeach Trump frequently enough, doesn’t give any shits about the Constitution and tried to use that on Pence.

    So credit to the guy. He seems to be one of the few people in DC who have any regard for the document.

    1. He has solid principles. I don’t necessarily agree with some of them, but god-damn, the guy is steady.

  26. “McConnell “has concluded that President Trump committed impeachable offenses and believes that Democrats’ move to impeach him will make it easier to purge Mr. Trump from the party,” The New York Times reports, citing “people familiar with Mr. McConnell’s thinking.””

    McConnell is on the record saying this is false. I understand that you will take an anonymous source from the NYT’s word over McConnell’s, but you should at least mention it. Pure garbage from the get go.

  27. It is negligent to slight the guy that was first, even when he had to go it alone, and if he had been heeded would have prevented Trumpy Treason:

    Mitt Romney

    “The simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie. One word of truth outweighs the world.”
    ~ Alexander Solzhenitsyn

    1. God you try so hard but always totally fail.

    2. You were one of the same fucks who called Romney a Nazi when he ran against Obama, weren’t you?

      1. No, I complained that Romney was not my ideal conservatarian; but I donated to and voted for him because I thought Obama a horror, much like Trump. Too many let their difference is style blind them to their vast similarity in substance.

        Obama and Trump took America to the edge of an anti-American surrender of the American Experiment in growing liberty and prosperity to statist squabbling for slices of a zero sum pie.

        Trump was Obama’s third term.

  28. “authoritarian demagogue” Just cite one example of his having been authoritarian. Utterly delusional and unhinged commentary

    1. Pick him up and set him down in the middle of Africa, and you’ll see it.

  29. Ah yes, another Cheney pissed because the president stoped them from bombing brown people — SCREW HER.

  30. Still waiting for Sullum to get on the Ashli Babbitt story.

  31. More like “Profiles in Sewage”

  32. McConnell’s striking turnaround after four years of unquestioning loyalty to Trump is a hopeful sign that the Republican Party may eventually stand for something other than the whims of an authoritarian demagogue.

    No, it’s just a sign that McConnell is a savvy swamp creature who is remarkably adept at threading the needle. It’s wholly unprincipled and deceitful, but you have to admire the skill…

    1. Yeah, the only thing McConnell cares about is being Senate Majority Leader, and all the perks that come with that. Since this will likely be his last term of office, if not penultimate (the guy is 78 years old, and I expect a Feinstein/Biden-like mental decline before too long), his main concern is figuring out how to get that position back no later than 2023.

  33. Sullum voted for Jo Jorgensen, who handed control of the US Senate to Biden in Georgia.

  34. We are all so wound up that everyone is the enemy. Maybe we should all be a little more charitable in our responses to people we disagree with. Just saying.

    1. Die in a fire you candy-ass piece of sheet!

      /sarc

  35. Reason toeing the line so they don’t get deplatformed over gun control.

  36. Every Reason writer is fucked in the head. Apply at the Daily Kos where you belong.

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  38. Jacob Sullum’s language such as “last week’s deadly invasion of the Capitol” shows a detachment from reality and un-Reason that is sad to see in this one-time libertarian journal.

    True, the state did murder several citizens, but indications that the election protestors were infiltrated by antifa terrorists such as those burning down police stations elsewhere in the country don’t indite President Trump or those who were outraged by the election fraud that installed a demented fraud in the White House and handed control of the Senate to the American Communist Party, i.e. Democrats.

    We used to expect better from Reason.

  39. Sens. Ted Cruz (R–Texas) and Josh Hawley (R–Mo.)
    FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    If the media hates them I know they’re the cream of the crop.

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  41. “These were strong words, but they came two months too late. From the moment that Trump began insisting that he actually won the election by a landslide, it was clear that the president’s conviction had no basis in reality. ”

    Two months investigation would be very quick in a criminal case. Two months for a congressional investigation would be unprecedented.

    While I personally have difficulties with the notion that there was voter fraud on a massive enough scale to alter the election, two months is not an extreme amount of time to investigate and litigate.

    I do however believe that there are incidents of voter fraud and believe that confidence in elections has been diminishing for years. I support a thorough post election investigation resulting in a very public report of the failings of the our elections in general.

    1. Just requiring voters show a State ID card would be a big step at this point.

  42. why does reason even pretend anymore? this is a left wing rag!

  43. The author is very poorly informed. As the events unfolded Trump went straight to Twitter to tell people to go home in peace. You could have seen this yourself on NDT. He also called the National Guard himself. The author should edits his article to reflect this.

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