Obama Promises Not to Use Military Detention for U.S. Citizens—I Think
When he signed the National Defense Authorization Act on Saturday, President Obama issued a statement that addresses its controversial provisions regarding his authority to detain terrorism suspects (emphasis added):
Section 1021 affirms the executive branch's authority to detain persons covered by the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF)….This section breaks no new ground and is unnecessary. The authority it describes was included in the 2001 AUMF, as recognized by the Supreme Court and confirmed through lower court decisions since then. Two critical limitations in section 1021 confirm that it solely codifies established authorities. First, under section 1021(d), the bill does not "limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force." Second, under section 1021(e), the bill may not be construed to affect any "existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States." My Administration strongly supported the inclusion of these limitations in order to make clear beyond doubt that the legislation does nothing more than confirm authorities that the Federal courts have recognized as lawful under the 2001 AUMF. Moreover, I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation. My Administration will interpret section 1021 in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war, and all other applicable law.
Although it's true that the Supreme Court has interpreted the AUMF as implicitly approving certain detention powers, the extent of those powers remains unclear. Since the NDAA, unlike the AUMF, explicitly mentions detention "without trial" and broadens the category of people subject to "military force," it's not true that it "breaks no new ground." Notwithstanding the assurances cited by Obama, the NDAA favors a broad reading of the detention powers supposedly granted by the AUMF.
The promise in bold is interesting because it does not distinguish between American citizens captured on a foreign battlefield and American citizens arrested in the United States. In the 2004 case Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, the Supreme Court approved the indefinite military detention of an American citizen captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan, although it said due process required that he be given "a fair opportunity to rebut the Government's factual assertions before a neutral decisionmaker." It has not addressed the question of whether this detention authority extends to terrorism suspects arrested on U.S. soil or whether citizenship matters in that context. Obama therefore is saying he will not use a detention power that has been upheld by the Supreme Court while reserving the possibility that he will use one (relating to noncitizens arrested here) that has not. He does not actually say that indefinite military detention of U.S. citizens is not authorized by the AUMF or that it is unconstitutional, although he does say that it "would break with our most important traditions and values." Unless Obama has some sneaky definitions of indefinite or trial in mind, he is committing to avoid treating U.S. citizens suspected of ties to terrorism the way the Bush administration treated Yasser Esam Hamdi and Jose Padilla.
Obama's plans for noncitizens linked to Al Qaeda are less clear:
Section 1022 seeks to require military custody for a narrow category of non-citizen detainees who are "captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force." This section is ill-conceived and will do nothing to improve the security of the United States. The executive branch already has the authority to detain in military custody those members of al-Qa'ida who are captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the AUMF, and as Commander in Chief I have directed the military to do so where appropriate. I reject any approach that would mandate military custody where law enforcement provides the best method of incapacitating a terrorist threat. While section 1022 is unnecessary and has the potential to create uncertainty, I have signed the bill because I believe that this section can be interpreted and applied in a manner that avoids undue harm to our current operations.
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and other supporters of this provision argue that terrorism suspects are "captured in the course of hostilities" no matter where they are found, because the battlefield in the War on Terror is the entire world, including the United States. Attorney General Eric Holder seems to agree with that view. Obama demands the discretion to treat noncitizens suspected of ties to Al Qaeda as prisoners of war or as criminal defendants, and he does not say whether the location or context of their arrest matters. He does say that in implementing the NDAA's detention provisions he will seek to "provide the maximum measure of flexibility and clarity to our counterterrorism professionals permissible under law." The flexibility Obama wants does not seem consistent with the clarity required by the rule of law.
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Assuming, for the sake of argument, that this is true, what makes you think a future Romney or Santorum or Biden administration never would?
Even worse, with Obama's unparalleled ability to manipulate words, he will simply throw an American in GITMO and announce that he will be released "when the war is over." He will then say that is a definite time according to the way he defines definite, and will say the terrorists started it, blah, blah, blah...
Maybe he's planning to use drones instead, since all the world is now the battlefield. That would eliminate the need for detention.
+1
It shouldn't surprise me, yet it is still frustrating to read those words and know not one single 'journalist will ever ask or get an answer to the obvious question ...
Mr. President. If you have no intentions of using indefinite detention, then why do you need the law which allows you to do so?
Well, we can all rest easy, seeing as how Obama's never lied about anything before.
My first thought as well. Has there been a promise he's actually delivered on?
He did end the war in Iraq, or at least he was in office when it ended.
Yeah, but he started some other ones, so doesn't that cancel it out?
No, you idiot. Obama drops bombs on people to free them from oppressive regimes. ChimpHitler W. McHalliBushun did it for the oil and also the sheer pleasure of murdering people.
Oh, so he's a kinder, gentler machine gun hand?
That's right. He does it for those peoples' own good. It hurts him way more than it hurts any of the Pakistani wedding parties he blows up.
He sacrifices so that we don't have to. Basically, he's Jesus.
Wait, then what does that make Tebow?
Do you really want people to answer this?
What happened to the comments on Sanzhez's classic Santorum salty ham tears post?
http://reason.com/blog/2006/11.....mmy-and-sw
They finally got axed. You knew it had to happen at some point.
http://web.archive.org/web/201.....tcontainer
High Number be praised. Made it worth browsing through a second time.
It was an embarrassment that even Reason.com couldn't allow to live.
If this was George W. Bush or Ron Paul or Rick Santorum you would all be cheering on the President for taking the steps needed to protect this nation.
I don't recall saying anything in favor of GWB's Patriot Act. Please point out where I did. (Also, see my first comment above.)
Is this THE joe (from Lowell)?
More likely a troll using the same handle. Either way it's not really worth paying attention to.
You paid attention to me.
Oops.
You made a specific allegation as to my conduct - that I would support this from GWB or Santorum or Paul if they did this.
Support it.
Nah. I have shopping to do. But I might just keep this handle. People here seem to like it.
You're new here, aren't you?
I distinctly remember saying "We are fucked now." when congress stood on the steps and sang the national anthem after 9/11. I distinctly remember saying that Bush was wiping his ass with the constitution when the patriot act passed and that it was a supremely bad idea.
Go fuck yourself Joe. The 'you would do it too if you could!' excuse is standard for fascists and spoiled children.
Would that promise be in the sort of signing statement that Obama previously said had no legal effect?
He won't detain them. He'll have them assassinated.
Er,didn't Obama, like, "indefinitely detain" a US citizen using a drone attack recently?
+1 Hazel!
I think the phrase is "definitely de-brain".
I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens.
Well a promise from Obama is a s good as gold.
Seriously though, "Let me be clear" or "Let me clarify" is Obama's version of crossing his finger behind his back.
"Sure I'll wear protection, baby."
You ever seen the sob wearing any kind of hat?
I think his wife is an effective contraceptive.
This is the dumbest shit I have ever heard. Since when has the Fed Gov given itself a power and not used it, let alone abused the hell out of it?
The power to impeach doesn't seem to have been used all that much.
Also those checks and balances on executive power.
But BHO promissed to use his superpowers for Good, not Evil.
So did Superman. But Batman still keeps a chunk of Kryptonite handy.
With great power comes great responsibility...to make sure you use that power, because otherwise what's the point of having it?
USE IT OR LOSE IT
I promised a net spending cut.
He misread the prompter, it said actually said a pet spending cunt.
I bet the asshole had his fingers crossed.
I should trust him remember the patriot act http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n402DuyiV0U
'I will close the detention center at Gitmo'.... still waiting, Barry, still waiting.
Moreover, I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens.
An unusual sentence, if ever one existed. Does it mean that he will authorize the finite military detention without trial of American citizens (you can have a trial when "hostilities" have ended)? That he can indefinitely detain American citizens as long as there is a trial or the possibility of one?
There is the middle ground where I neither detain them nor allow for a court trial. I'll drone strike them when it gets too legalistically complicated.
Obama has established that the president can now imprison and execute Americans without trial anywhere in the world. What scares me is the next leftist douche that gets power. I fear we're heading toward a Venezuela socialist paradise.
Does that imply that you believe any GOP candidate other than Ron Paul wouldn't blatantly abuse that power as well?
This
Them bitches (Team RED) are chompin' at the bit to get their hands on this shit.
You know because of the terroistical eco-terroristocrats.
On the plus side, if a Republican does it hordes of liberal media commentators will go apeshit.
Whereas if a Democrat does it they will sit on their hands and look uncomfortable.
Obama Promises Not to let anyone know when he Uses Military Detention for U.S. Citizens
Thank you
The NDAA is a constitutional travesty. I'm glad to see this post, even if its framing reflects little concern for the constitutional values ignored by the NDAA and its proponents, if only because the mainstream media continues to ignore the mounting resistance across the country to its draconian detention provisions. See
http://www.constitutioncampaign.org/blog/?p=5341 for a review of some recent grassroots actions, which remain ongoing in cities including NYC, DC, Chicago and LA.
You know, given the probable candidate for Republican nomination for the presidency, I would have most likely voted for Obama during the next election... This one act has made me realize I can never vote for him again. Even if I have to "waste" my vote on a candidate that's not on the ballot, I'd do that before I'd vote for Obama again.
So you guys did notice the parts of the bill that state that it doesn't "limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force" or affect "existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States", right?