Have We Lost Track of the Trump Indictments Yet?

Plus: Why don't journalists support free speech anymore?

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Have We Lost Track of the Trump Indictments Yet?

In this week's The Reason Roundtable, editors Matt Welch, Nick Gillespie, and Peter Suderman welcome special guest Elizabeth Nolan Brown as they unpack the latest indictment against former President Donald Trump. They also check in on the ongoing legal saga of the classified advertising site Backpage in the wake of founder James Larkin's untimely death.

0:46: The latest Trump indictment

21:21: The legacy of free speech warrior James Larkin

46:25: Weekly Listener Question

53:27: This week's cultural recommendations

Mentioned in this podcast:

"Trump's Prosecution Could Be Stymied by the Blurry Line Between Deceit and Self-Delusion," by Jacob Sullum

"Did Trump Really Believe the Election Was Stolen? Here Is Why It Matters." by Jacob Sullum

"2 Reasons It's Not Clear That Trump 'Corruptly' Obstructed an Official Proceeding," by Jacob Sullum

"Should Trump go to prison?" by Zach Weissmueller and Nick Gillespie

"Don't Jail Trump for January 6," by Robby Soave

"Why the Press Conflates Prostitution with Sex Trafficking—and Why That's a Threat To Free Speech," by Nick Gillespie and Elizabeth Nolan Brown

"FCC Head Ajit Pai on Section 230 and Free Speech," by Nick Gillespie

"Emails show CDC policed COVID speech on Facebook," by Zach Weissmueller, Nick Gillespie, and Robby Soave

"The 26 Words That 'Created the Internet'—and Why They May Be on the Chopping Block," by Nick Gillespie

"Why the Government's Legal Assault on Backpage.com Backfired," by Nick Gillespie

"The War on Backpage.com Is a War on Sex Workers," by Paul Detrick

"Politicians Want To Destroy Section 230, the Internet's First Amendment," by Paul Detrick and Elizabeth Nolan Brown

"'Je suis Charlie'? No, You're Not, or Else You Might Be Dead," by Matt Welch

Send your questions to [e-mail]. Be sure to include your social media handle and the correct pronunciation of your name.

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Audio production by Ian Keyser; assistant production by Hunt Beaty.

Music: "Angeline," by The Brothers Steve

What are we consuming this week?

Nick Gillespie

• Filthy Rich Politicians: The Swamp Creatures, Latte Liberals, and Ruling-Class Elites Cashing in on America by Michael Lewis

Peter Suderman

• Hijack

Elizabeth Nolan Brown

• Naked Came the Detective by Glendale C. Jackson III

Matt Welch

• Nick Gillespie's 60th Birthday Celebration

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Comments

[Minadin]

"Why don't journalists support free speech anymore?"

Because they're assholes. Short-sighted, low-intelligence, incompetent assholes. Generally speaking.

[Social Justice is neither]

Post Modernist leftist activists, but your definition stands.

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[Medulla Oblongata]

Your comment seems redundant to the previous comment. You just said what he said using synonyms.

[Marshal]

Nah, that's not it. "Journalists" are really political activists and since they know their allies decide which speech should be suppressed they support it as benefitting their political preferences.

[R Mac]

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[mad.casual]

This is what I was going to say. Aside from themselves and their comrades, propagandists have never supported free speech.

[CE]

Because they were once taught to find the truth.
Now they are taught to disseminate the "truth" (aka the narrative).

[Nardz]

"Have We Lost Track of the Trump Indictments Yet?
Plus: Why don't journalists support free speech anymore?"

There's a connection that nobody at Reason is intelligent or honest enough to make.

[damikesc]

They're convinced the government is on THEIR side.

In spite of the people they support whining about how mean they are, they are convinced that they are their allies.

[Dillinger]

>>Why don't journalists support free speech anymore?

Tony's world was much much easier for Moltisanti

[JesseAz]

special guest Elizabeth Nolan Brown

No comment.

[Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo]

Those first two words don’t really apply.

[JesseAz]

"Special" might.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

We have to wait for more damning Biden laptop news before we can get new indictments.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

I think the trans dude in lipstick sums this situation up extremely well. That may be the most libertarian picture in the last 8 years.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

"The War on Backpage.com Is a War on Sex Workers," by Paul Detrick

I thought ENB was working this corner.

[mad.casual]

I thought she was busy holding up the "Honk if you think he's guilty" sign.

[Medulla Oblongata]

[Golf clap] Well done.

[Unicorn Abattoir]

Have We Lost Track of the Trump Indictments Yet?

Sullum's office walls are covered with post-it notes and string.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Well it’s obvious that a person’s guilt is determined by how many charges they have against them.

[Social Justice is neither]

That was Robby's standard for the Kavenaugh accusations.

[damikesc]

Still the most infuriating moment on this site.

"Highly credible" = anti-corroboration (all her "witnesses" said it did not happen) and no clue where or when it occurred. I do not care if Kavanaugh was establishment --- that was a bullshit incident and Reason played along.

[Dillinger]

I'm kinda vampiring the hope should I feel bad about it?

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

To be fair, on my wall, I have two push pins with one string between them. One has Fauci's face on it, the other has the Wuhan lab.

[Unicorn Abattoir]

It's like a Venn diagram with one circle.

[Cyto]

The list of "really important shit" that is getting completely ignored in this country is astonishing.

The lies coordinated out of Fauci's office should be a Nixon level scandal. Millions died - and these ass-hats lied about some really important stuff.... and successfully recruited the help of a very compliant media and political machine.

And that is just a tiny scandal next to the *really* big scandals.

But sure, let's spend another $40 million prosecuting a politician saying he thought he won. That's genius! Zero democrat losers in the last 40 years have failed to do the same thing. Zero republican losers have used the CIA and FBI to spy on and frame their political opponents, attempting to overturn the elections.

Yet....

Wall to Wall UFO coverage.

[CE]

Well to be fair, the UFO story could be the biggest story of the millennium.

[Zeb]

It's really something to see. There are like 10 things going on that should be major scandals. I'm probably undercounting. All being studiously ignored by the legacy media.
I listen to NPR from time to time to see what's on the regular news. Apparently all that's happening is a writers strike, some hot weather and Trump getting indicted.

[CE]

Can you at least add some pictures of the puppies?

[A Cynical Asshole]

Why don't journalists support free speech anymore?

Because they're authoritarian clowns.

[Cyto]

“Why don’t journalists support free speech anymore?”

Well, you guys should know. Every single one of you cheered this every step of the way. The only voices at Reason who were even reluctantly opposed to the rising tide of censorship and cancellation were Robby and the Jacket.

You guys were particularly vocal in your support of censorship. You were over the moon at the deplatforming of Alex Jones and another handful of conservative voices. You guys supported the notion that "private companies" should be policing wrongthink.

Why don't reporters support free speech..... Sheesh. Why don't you tell us exactly why *you* didn't? You know, back when it might have made some small measure of a difference.

Now the battle has moved on. Free speech is over for the largest swath of the public. Now the final battle is at hand. Access to the banking system. We see Europe moving quickly to "unbank" their political enemies... and in Australia it looks for all the world like they are on the precipice of eliminating cash transactions - something the left has been auguring for here for years.

No access to the public. No way to pay your bills, get paid, or even buy food. Good luck being a dissenting voice. Heck, we have even seen group punishments here in the US with companies like AirBNB and VRBO refusing service to *relatives* of disfavored individuals.

But good job. You pointed out that the barn door needs closing after the horse is gone. Heck, you helped hold it open. But sure, cluck your tongues as if you are not part of the problem. Being a defender of free speech doesn't count for so much if you only do it when you agree with people.

[mad.casual]

Why don't journalists support free speech anymore?

This is usually the exact sort of thing that happens several years to several decades after you give up having integrity, reporting the facts as you know them, researching a story...

[CE]

If you fling enough oatmeal at the wall, eventually some of it sticks. But it doesn't mean the wall deserved the oatmeal.

[Jones M. Murphy, Jr.]

Why doesn't Reason support Free Speech any more? Haven't seen a word about Kaepernick's Free Speech in 6 yrs of open segregation

[damikesc]

Kaepernick has free speech.

He just does not have the right to a job as QB in the NFL when he lost his starting position to Blaine Gabbert and has not played pro football in, what, six years?

His supporters seem to forget how terrible he was before his "look at MEEEE!" attention whoring.

[Liberty Lover]

The number of indictments let's even morons and imbeciles figure out this is totally political. Of course idiots will never figure that out, they don't have the mental capacity for that.

[raspberrydinners]

For "loving liberty" you seem to support someone too much who would gladly take it away.

I would say get your head out of your ass but I'm afraid it's permanently affixed.

[damikesc]

LL does not seem to love Biden, who is happily limiting free speech, choice in products, etc.

Mussolini would tell Biden to, maybe, pump the brakes a little.

[raspberrydinners]

Most indicted president ever. Bigly.

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[TrickyVic (old school)]

They are not journalists. They are mouthpieces for the party.

Look at how many worked in a political capacity before taking the news job. Stephanopoulos is a top news personality for example.

[cravinbob]

Democrats tried to stop a candidate.
Candidate wins and Democrat candidate loser has a long list of who is to blame.
Democrats try every trick possible to overthrow that election and the first term of the President.
Term is up and no prediction has proven to be fact and President is not re-elected.
Democrat candidate wins despite mental issues and age and losing incumbent is still attacked in effort to disqualify him from future elections.
The media has been relentless and still love freedom of press regardless of truth or facts. Washington DC represents itself, corruption and incompetence cannot be hidden.
Indictments are issued several years later in effort to disqualify and imprison said candidate. Balance of power is gone and the court is corrupt and nobody denies that fact.
What is the ultimate goal of the Democrat party? To rule forever? Nobody asks, yet the JFK theorists have much less REASON JFK was assassinated, of course none are correct or true.
But nobody asks what the hell are these Democrats really doing and how do they get their supporters to speak with one tongue in unison? How does America fail? We do not know as it hasn't before but we may be taking that ride now. And we are