Trump's Actions Contradict His Avowed Commitment to First Amendment Rights
The president has launched a multifaceted crusade against speech that offends him.

On the first day of his second term, President Donald Trump signed an executive order aimed at "restoring freedom of speech." But judging from his administration's policies and his actions as a private litigant, Trump's commitment to that principle is highly selective at best.
Last week, Secretary of State Marco Rubio announced that he was "taking a crucial step toward keeping the president's promise to liberate American speech" by ending his department's misbegotten crusade against online "disinformation." This was a welcome development, since that amorphous mission had become an excuse for suppressing constitutionally protected speech.
Still, Rubio's ringing defense of First Amendment rights is hard to reconcile with his determination to expel foreign students, including legal permanent residents, whose opinions he unilaterally deems contrary to U.S. foreign policy interests. Although Rubio and Trump seem to think the First Amendment applies only to American citizens, the U.S. Supreme Court disagrees.
Another Trump appointee, Federal Communications Commission Chairman Brendan Carr, likewise pays lip service to free speech while working to undermine it. Carr, like Federal Trade Commission Chairman Andrew Ferguson, seems bent on overriding the editorial choices of social media companies in the name of fairness and balance—a form of meddling that the Supreme Court has recognized as a threat to First Amendment rights.
Carr also aspires to police journalism, including the editing of a 60 Minutes interview with Kamala Harris, which he thinks is a legitimate subject of regulatory review. Trump himself argues that CBS News committed consumer fraud under Texas law by making Harris seem less "CRAZY" and "DUMB," which he risibly claims caused him "at least" $10 billion in damages.
Trump is pursuing a similar lawsuit against The Des Moines Register and pollster Ann Selzer. He claims they violated the Iowa Consumer Fraud Act by reporting the results of a pre-election poll that erroneously gave Harris a three-point lead in that state.
It is hard to overstate the threat that carving out a "fake news" exception to the First Amendment would pose to freedom of the press. If Trump had his way, journalists would be exposed to daunting legal expenses and potentially ruinous civil liability whenever their reporting was arguably misleading or inaccurate.
Trump's hostility to freedom of the press is also apparent in his frivolous defamation lawsuits, his threats of regulatory retaliation against broadcasters, and his ridiculous dispute with the Associated Press, which he sought to exclude from the White House because it did not fully embrace his new name for the body of water between the United States and Mexico. "If the Government opens its doors to some journalists," a federal judge ruled in that last case, "it cannot then shut those doors to other journalists because of their viewpoints."
Trump likewise engaged in viewpoint discrimination, which is presumptively unconstitutional, when he issued executive orders targeting law firms that have represented clients or causes he does not like. Lawyers at those firms, he decreed, would lose their security clearances, government contracts, and access to federal buildings.
Trump also has targeted leading American universities, which he portrays as hotbeds of antisemitism and ideological indoctrination. While conservatives may be sympathetic to that critique, schools like Harvard plausibly argue that Trump's attempts to impose his preferred reforms by threatening to withhold federal funding amount to "unconstitutional conditions," requiring the surrender of First Amendment rights in exchange for a government benefit.
Trump's attack on "diversity, equity, and inclusion" (DEI) programs also extends into the private sector. He has threatened businesses with "civil compliance investigations" aimed at rooting out "DEI discrimination," a nebulous concept that is apt to have a chilling impact on employee training that promotes ideas the president considers "immoral."
Rubio avers that Trump is determined to oppose "the weaponization of America's own government to silence, censor, and suppress the free speech of ordinary Americans." Yet that seems like an apt description of the president's multifaceted crusade against speech that offends him.
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If Trump had his way, journalists would be exposed to daunting legal expenses and potentially ruinous civil liability whenever their reporting was arguably misleading or inaccurate.
Ummm yeah. Accuracy matters.
Nick Sandmann says hi.
Look, the "media" accurately described Sandmann as white, and his oppressed opponent as red. Therefore Sandmann was wrong. Why are you confused?
Is this JS admitting that he is concerned his daily lying might have consequences? I guess that settles it. He knows he is a propagandist and is constantly defaming people.
If the reporting in question constitutes an in-kind donation to a political campaign, it is not protected by the First Amendment.
I haven't understood how the news media has been given a pass on that. They are dishonest activist partisans for one side and yet don't get hit with campaign violations
Must suck to...have to do one's job well.
No one with a brain believed that Trump cared at all about freedom of speech. Or any part of the Constitution.
It’s so sad we’re no longer funding your racist speech.
Poor Molly, imagining what it must be like to have a brain, and failing so miserably.
Ah... Jar-jarhead the Jinx reregistered under a cloaking device email. Activate shields! Fire moot lewser torpedoes!
Hanky panky, rotten brain so stanky.
Not sure what you're on about, as usual, but my registered email (along with my username) has never changed.
Do you have trouble spelling Harisiades?
"No one with a brain"
Speaking from experience?
>The president has launched a multifaceted crusade against speech that offends him.
No, he's just questioning why we are funding all this.
Harvard is still free to say what anyone in power there will allow them to say - on their own dime, not mine.
Same goes for every other public institution or one that takes a single penny of government money.
Indeed. I do not care what Harvard says. It is beyond offensive that I have to pay for it.
Public funding of colleges is a completely different issue. Try to stay on topic.
They are not. Both are free to say whatever they want as long as our tax money isn't used.
That isn’t even remotely the way things work. Accepting grants doesn’t mean the government can dictate policies or expression by the college receiving the funds.
You understand that, right? It’s a simple concept.
If you want to discuss giving grants to universities, I would end up on the same side as you, just not as extreme.
“ Harvard is still free to say what anyone in power there will allow them to say - on their own dime, not mine”
If the government offers funding to universities, it cannot deny one university such funding just because their policies or viewpoints are disfavored by the government. That’s the principle.
Changing it based on whether you agree with the policies/viewpoints exposes hypocrisy and a lack of principles on your part.
Now if you want to discuss whether colleges should be funded at all, that’s a different topic. But as long as the status quos remains the status quo, what the Trump Administration is doing is wrong. And probably violates existing legislation.
“ Same goes for every other public institution or one that takes a single penny of government money.”
That’s not how the law works. There are things that you cannot require people or institutions to surrender. The right of free expression is one of those. Nor can you retaliate against people or institutions for expressions you don’t like.
Just because the government provides grants doesn’t mean they can dictate policy to the recipient.
That rubicon was crossed at least two presidents ago.
When and where?
I see you never heard of the 2011 Dear Colleagues Letter.
DCL’s are an implied threat of funding removal (if not worse) for not following the current administrations interpretation/implementation of Title IX.
You have no right to public funding, period.
If Harvard took the position that "Jim Crow must come back", no one would say one damn thing if the federal government pulled funding. The government would not grant contracts to any weapons manufacturer that expressed support for Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
Do you understand the difference between "all illegals should be deported" and "killing Israeli civilians is justified as means of resistance"? Both ideas are offensive to some people. Only one of them is disqualifying for any institution that gets government funding. If the DMV or Google let Hamas protesters occupy their building and intimidate customers in plain view, denying them nonessential funding would be the least of their punishment.
Colleges like Columbia and Harvard almost certainly broke the law, including their own policies, when they allowed terrorist sympathizers to harrass and target other students and take over building. So this was never even about "free speech". Joe Biden forbade trade with a city that sends Muslims to concentration camps. Is he violating China's right to viewpoint?
Do you seriously believe funding, permits, and approvals has never been dependent on viewpoint? Really? I think Chick Fil A would like to have a word with you.
“ You have no right to public funding, period.”
Agreed, if there is no public funding at all. Which is the preferred system, from my perspective.
If there is a system in place, however, the distribution of funds has to be viewpoint neutral because it is the government doing it. Discrimination by the government on the basis of disfavored viewpoints or policies is a big no-no, legally.
Ideally colleges would operate in the same way businesses do. Loans wouldn’t be student loans (which, by their very nature, drive up the cost of education), but personal loans based on banks deciding on the risks they’re willing to take. Any and all grants would be private, given by the University itself, or provided by nonprofits.
But we don’t live in that world, so the government can’t be allowed to discriminate on the basis of viewpoint or expression.
“ If Harvard took the position that "Jim Crow must come back", no one would say one damn thing if the federal government pulled funding.”
I would. Sure, it’s a horrible thing to say or support, but that doesn’t make it acceptable to discriminate against the speaker. Loathsome speech is more important to protect than nice speech, not less.
“ The government would not grant contracts to any weapons manufacturer that expressed support for Putin's invasion of Ukraine.”
You’re muddling things. That’s a commercial contract to purchase goods, not public funding.
The government isn’t obligated to buy from every provider of defense equipment equally if they meet certain standards. They are with public funding. It’s comparing apples and cluster bombs.
“ Do you understand the difference between "all illegals should be deported" and "killing Israeli civilians is justified as means of resistance"?”
Yes. I agree with the former and disagree with the latter. On a less-personal level, however, I don’t think either rises to the level of one of the exceptions to the freedom of expression. But there are lawyers here who would know better than I.
That said, I would be shocked if a university said anything about killing civilians being justified.
“ Only one of them is disqualifying for any institution that gets government funding.”
Which institution said that?
“ Colleges like Columbia and Harvard almost certainly broke the law, including their own policies, when they allowed terrorist sympathizers to harrass and target other students and take over building.”
That is, to be charitable, a biased presentation of the facts.
“ So this was never even about "free speech".”
Of course it is. Saying you think terrorists are justified is a sickening and disgusting thing to say, but it isn’t illegal. And it’s perfectly Constitutional.
I think people sometimes forget that free speech covers awful and shitty and psychotic expression as well as “You are such a wonderful person”. There are very few exceptions to the freedom of expression, as there should be, and none have to do with how cruel or mean that speech is.
“ Joe Biden forbade trade with a city that sends Muslims to concentration camps.”
You’re muddling issues again. Foreign policy is a very different subject than public funding of universities. Not to mention that it’s governed by a completely different set of rules. I’m curious as to why you think a President couldn’t impose such a ban.
“ Do you seriously believe funding, permits, and approvals has never been dependent on viewpoint? Really? I think Chick Fil A would like to have a word with you.”
Yes, I’ve noticed that the five new Chick-Fil-As that have opened near me had a really hard time getting permits … oh, wait. They didn’t.
If you’re talking about the religious discrimination that Chick-Fil-A forced on their employees, that’s also a different subject. The idea that a person’s religious beliefs can be forced on someone else is abhorrent enough. The idea that a company has superior religious freedom claims than a human being is insane. But they weren’t discriminated against at all for their speech. It was their actions that were the problem.
JS; shouldn't read
But for the 80th time, it's not the poor students opinions that matter, it's the illegal activity and denying other students their civil rights. oh, and coordinating with genocidal terrorists on the timing of a massive barbarous attack. And leaving the country to attend terrorists funerals.
And the interfering with social media companies editorial stances ( who are anti- free speech) to Increase free speech is - you guessed it, Not anti- free speech.
Campus anti-free speech activities must be protected at all costs. If we can't protect the attacks on academic freedom, what can we protect?
How long did we hear "Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences"? Oh, right, that comes from the same people who declare silence is violence, YOUR speech is violent, THEIR violence is speech.
Fucking hypocrites.
"Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences"
Uh...yes, that's exactly what it means. If you can be punished for speech, then we don't have free speech. In North Korea, you're free to say whatever you wish against their rulers. They'll kill you and enslave your family, but you may say what you wish. The only legitimate government-sanctioned consequences for speech are civil actions for defamation or other tortious speech.
"Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences"
The people who say this the loudest are those most eager to impose consequences for speech with which they disagree, and would whine the loudest if others imposed consequences for their speech.
You imbecile, even as you try to defend no consequences for ANYTHING you say you still add consequences. The government isn't punishing them for their speech but their actions, you leftists just conflate the two because you have no other defense.
If leftists didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all.
Just a reminder that double (triple, quadruple) standards are the essence and purpose of woke ideology, including the Serious Scholars at Harvard and other universities with grievance study departments and critical theory experts.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/opinion-dni-releases-secret-biden-plan-raising-serious-civil-liberties-concerns/ar-AA1DswwT?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=7bcc9a22940449a0886fd2f85b556f68&ei=36
Having a MAGA paleocon complaining about anyone else’s grievance studies is rich. You folks are the biggest lovers of grievance in today’s world.
According to you, everything is unfair, you are mistreated, others are always causing you to suffer, your rights are being taken away, you are oppressed … it’s a nonstop litany from the hard right about how badly the world treats them.
Look at Trump (and this thread). Nothing but whining about how unfair and oppressive everyone is to the poor conservatives. With a healthy dose of “that justifies our cruelty and oppression” thrown in for good measure.
Grow up, snowflakes. Someone else’s free speech means you will inevitably be offended and angry. It doesn’t mean you get to wreak illegal retribution on them for pissing you off.
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I am having some cognitive whiplash at how antisemitism and racism became pro free speech causes since 10/07/23.
They haven’t. That’s a you problem.
They certainly have. There's a reason why multiple university presidents resigned after a hearing.
If anyone else wants to refute Nelson elsewhere in this page, go ahead.
Reason's actions contradict their avowed commitment to... nevermind.
Still, Rubio's ringing defense of First Amendment rights is hard to reconcile with his determination to expel foreign students, including legal permanent residents, whose opinions he unilaterally deems contrary to U.S. foreign policy interests. Although Rubio and Trump seem to think the First Amendment applies only to American citizens, the U.S. Supreme Court disagrees.
Surely Jacob Sullum has heard of Harisiades v. Shaughnessy, 342 U.S. 580 (1952), which was decided after Bridges.
Carr also aspires to police journalism, including the editing of a 60 Minutes interview with Kamala Harris, which he thinks is a legitimate subject of regulatory review. Trump himself argues that CBS News committed consumer fraud under Texas law by making Harris seem less "CRAZY" and "DUMB," which he risibly claims caused him "at least" $10 billion in damages.
There is probable cause that it was a campaign finance violation.
The First Amendment does not extend so far as to cover in-kind contributions to political campaigns.
It may have been protected speech, it may not. It depends on specific facts.
Lawyers at those firms, he decreed, would lose their security clearances, government contracts, and access to federal buildings.
There is no right to a security clearance nor government contract.
Trump's attack on "diversity, equity, and inclusion" (DEI) programs also extends into the private sector. He has threatened businesses with "civil compliance investigations" aimed at rooting out "DEI discrimination," a nebulous concept that is apt to have a chilling impact on employee training that promotes ideas the president considers "immoral."
Hostile work environment.
While conservatives may be sympathetic to that critique, schools like Harvard plausibly argue that Trump's attempts to impose his preferred reforms by threatening to withhold federal funding amount to "unconstitutional conditions," requiring the surrender of First Amendment rights in exchange for a government benefit.
Dear Colleague
If Reason accurately referred to DEI as what it is then they would expose their actual ideology. DEI is race, sex, and ideologically based discrimination that is incompatible with meritocracy.
And incompatible with freedom.
And as Harvard scholars then tell us, "Meritocracy and freedom have to go. Cuz "justice"."
(s) It's racism, but GOOD racism. (/s)
"DEI discrimination" is a "nebulous concept" in what reality?
It is overt discrimination in favor of supposed "oppressed" minorities on the non falsifiable notion of systemic racism and sexism, which shoukd be considered a Civil Rights Act violation. If we were talking about junking th3 Civil Rights Act, that woukd be one thing, but we are talking about applying it selectivelyl
"DEI discrimination" is a "nebulous concept" in what reality?
DEI discrimination is nebulous, but if you fire a gay employee for soliciting people to play in his gay softball league at work you are de facto and without evidence firing him because he's gay and not because he's literally harassing people at work about their sexuality.
It's exploitative ambiguity. When the law favors them it's clear and good and right, when it opposes them they don't understand and it should be repealed. And when this is pointed out they'll say "Whataboutism!" and "MUH ROOL OF LAW!".
Equal standing and application of the law are racist!
“ There is probable cause that it was a campaign finance violation.
The First Amendment does not extend so far as to cover in-kind contributions to political campaigns.“
In what alternative universe is this true? If inaccurate reporting is campaign contributions, NewsMax and Fox would be shut down tomorrow. There’s a whole goose/gander thing you’re ignoring with your complaints.
“ Hostile work environment”
Agreed. But Trump is creating that environment on purpose. It’s part of his plan to shrink the government in erratic and frequently-erroneous ways. The first part of that plan is a good idea. The second part is incompetence.
Oh yeah? Well you didn't complain about Biden censoring Twitter and Facebook you hypocrite. That means you can't criticize Trump and make whatever he does ok.
He has threatened businesses with "civil compliance investigations" aimed at rooting out "DEI discrimination," a nebulous concept that is apt to have a chilling impact on employee training that promotes ideas the president considers "immoral."
Libertarianism was offered the option of having their gay wedding cake or having it crammed up their ass with a cactus. You chose this option.
For decades you've said that black people are too stupid to know how to get ID or use their cell phones. You *still* say it about immigrants. Trump has empowered those people to recognize their own ability to kick you in the dick. Claiming to be a woman and hiding in the women's restroom isn't going to save you from the consequences of your own stupidity.
Reason was firmly in the "Bake the cake" crowd.
Still is.
Probably because we saw how great the Jim Crow South was for disfavored groups.
Your religion is your problem, not anyone else’s. If you don’t want to serve someone in a protected class due to the particular version of fairy tale you believe, don’t start a retail business.
You have the right to your own religious beliefs, not to inflict them on anyone else. You don’t, in any way, shape, or form have the right to open a business.
Shorter: Get over yourself. You aren’t more important than anyone else.
Every single bit of that argument can go both ways. Multiple people used lawfare against a baker purposefully after they had already won in court once.
They won on animus by the board, not the right to deny service to gay customers. A typical SCOTUS dodge-the-issue move.
There has, as far as I know, never been a SCOTUS case that greenlights religious discrimination against customers by business owners. But I’m not a ConLaw lawyer, so I could be wrong. I do know, however, that Masterpiece Cakeshop didn’t result in that ruling.
Personally, I think anyone who discriminates against customers based on the business owner’s religion is a terrible person and completely anti-American. Your religion is yours, but your religion is irrelevant to everyone else unless they choose to join you. Religion should never be forced on anyone.
"Probably because we saw how great the Jim Crow South was for disfavored groups."
Jim Crow?
No one was denied service.
They were told that the baker did not want to make their wedding cake.
There is a difference between walking in and buying what's for sale and trying to compel service.
Hey--wait, isn't compelling service something that the folks behind Jim Crow supported? There was this war.....
Who were those people? The same ones that tried to compel service from that baker.
You lefties just can't stop wanting to make people into slaves, can you?
“ No one was denied service”
Really? I believe that was the point of the lawsuit, that the business owners refused to sell to a gay couple.
“ They were told that the baker did not want to make their wedding cake.”
So they were denied service? I could have sworn you said that didn’t happen.
“ There is a difference between walking in and buying what's for sale and trying to compel service.”
If they had contract and non-contract cakes, I could get behind that argument. But they didn’t contract with the straight couples, they just added decorations to a retail cake. That they refused to do so for a gay couple is denying service.
I actually support the idea of having contracts and individual pricing, like if you were buying a furnace or a piece of art. That would, in my mind, make a clear distinction between a unique, individual item and a retail item.
Sure, they would still be shitty people doing shitty things for shitty reasons, but by going through the effort of differentiating between generally available products and custom products they would cover their asses. Contracted work has always been treated differently than retail products and services.
“ Hey--wait, isn't compelling service something that the folks behind Jim Crow supported?”
Sorry, you’ll have to be more specific. Jim Crow was beaten by the Civil Rights Act. And I’m not sure what service you think they compelled, so you’ll have to elaborate.
Unless this is the “Dems are racists” trope. Then, yawn.
“ You lefties just can't stop wanting to make people into slaves, can you?”
Personally I support a small, less intrusive government. But I’m also not a leftist.
Two dozen orangopox Trumpanzees leapt into action to fling ordure at Sullum's insensitive revelation of a hitherto-doublethought yet clearly distinguishable fact of reality. Let THAT be a lesson to any other heretics conspiring at lèse-majesté!
Sullum's constant lies about Trump contradict his claim to be a sentient human being and prove him to be a lying pile of TDS-addled shit,
Funny Sullums principles got lost here.....
https://reason.com/2023/03/01/foxs-excuses-reinforce-dominions-defamation-case/
There is no RIGHT to "security clearances, government contracts, and access to federal buildings".
There is no RIGHT for foreigners to invade the USA.
Once that's cleared up ... What's left of this article?
Sullums party-partisan-shilling BS?
Once again sullum lies, omits and distorts the reality in order for him to screech and bleat.
If Trump had his way, journalists would be exposed to daunting legal expenses and potentially ruinous civil liability whenever their reporting was arguably misleading or inaccurate.
And I am here for it.
Bullshit. You're all for it if the journalists are not on your team.
If they say misleading or inaccurate things like the 2020 election was stolen, that Trump's tariffs are good for the economy, or that illegals can be deported based upon a wartime law, then you'll defend both the journalists and their lies.
Self-projection 101.
That's what you do sarc.
And that is exactly what Sullum did here; link above.
My "team?" Who pray tell would that be?
See this all just goes straight back to your ignorant, and frankly contemptable, perspective on rights and freedoms and Constitutional protections.
Because you refuse to acknowledge that the Constitution created with virtue built into it - and it expected, if not demanded - a virtuous People to work.
Being that you are decidedly NOT one of those kinds of people in any way shape or form, you may struggle to understand. Freedom of Speech wasn't guaranteed with the goal of defending profanity and smut and intimidation. The Right to Bear arms wasn't guaranteed for the purpose of facilitating school shooters. Search and Seizure protections were not codified in order to facilitate and encourage criminal activity. And Freedom of the Press wasn't guaranteed with the hopes of having it become the Enemy of the People.
That kind of stuff is the direct result of unvirtuous people exploiting the virtuous people's goodness and propensity for truth and morality - and the codifying instrument they use to safeguard their freedoms - and weaponizing it against them.
We see this every day lately as you squeal like little stuck piggies whining about Tren de Aragua's "due process rights" - while everyone can plainly see it's nothing more than a smokescreen for your unvirtuous partisanship and desire to facilitate criminality and the undermining of our sovereignty. I mean, take Jakey Fakey here. Do you honestly - sincerely - believe for one second that anything he says is actually in defense of the 5th Amendment? No. It's in defense of Illegal Alienage. The 5th is just what he's exploiting to make his bogus argument.
Same thing here with Freedom of the Press.
Now, I'm not saying we need to impose any limitations on Speech or Press or Firearm Ownership or Privacy. I'm just saying that virtuous people will not tolerate the unvirtuous forever. And eventually they'll do something about them - and face the consequences from their peers and State if need be.
No different than I routinely tell folks about the LGBT Pedo. They can hide behind speech and tolerance and diversity and everything else good they exploit for their obsession with identifying themselves by sex kinks - but the more the push, the sooner someone's going to push back. (I actually think it's going to be the bathrooms thing. I think a dad - or dads - will see some pervert preying on their daughter, and he'll go full-on fugue state violent as he beats the sicko to death with his bare hands.)
It's not right, I don't agree with it, I won't support it - but I will understand it. We offered you a virtuous society. You ruined it. Always remember - whether it's a pedo being beaten to death or journalists hanging from gallows on the Capitol steps - you asked for this.
During the Biden administration, my left-leaning friends were pretty enthusiastic about the president's power to ban disfavored speech on the internet.
I told them that they might have a change of heart when a right-leaning administration took the helm.
Perhaps, someday, Congress will get some stones and do something to limit the President's ability to quash disfavored speech.
“ my left-leaning friends were pretty enthusiastic about the president's power to ban disfavored speech on the internet.”
You mean when the government (including the first Trump Administration, so hypocrisy alert) makes a request of a private company and, if the company refuses, the government does nothing? That’s your definition of “banning disfavored speech”? If so, you’re going to be enraged by what’s going on right now.
“ I told them that they might have a change of heart when a right-leaning administration took the helm.”
What Trump is doing is as different as apples and spaceships. Investigations by the DOJ? Trying to revoke their broadcast license? Filing frivolous and ridiculous lawsuits claiming damages 10x higher than his entire wealth?
What Trump is doing is what happens when the government is used to retaliate against those the President’s party disagree with, as opposed to just asking and moving on if they are refused. Do you see a difference?
“ Perhaps, someday, Congress will get some stones and do something to limit the President's ability to quash disfavored speech.”
You mean other than the First Amendment? Exactly what more would you like done?
Would I prefer it if there wasn’t a sizable contingent on the fringes who are hostile to free expression? Absolutely. Does that justify what Trump is doing? Absolutely not.
Why can someone not be an enemy of the U.S. just because they have a green card? Is this Monopoly and a green card is a get out of jail free card? Doesn't a naturalized citizen swear an oath that they will "bear true faith and allegiance to the [U.S.]? How is virulent anti-semitism and agitating for communist revolution bearing true faith and allegiance to the Constitution and the United States?
“ How is virulent anti-semitism and agitating for communist revolution bearing true faith and allegiance to the Constitution and the United States?”
Read the First Amendment and get back to me.
Advocating for loathsome or terrible ideas is exactly what the Constitution (and the United States) stands for. It isn’t “freedom of nice speech” or “freedom of speech I like”. It’s freedom of speech, period.
While there have been a few exceptions granted over the years, saying horrible and hateful things has never been one. And never will be. And absolutely never should be.
So we DO actually have to tolerate intolerance?
Absolutely. The First Amendment protects the right to be as hateful, ignorant, and offensive as you want to be, with a very small number of exceptions.
Any time someone complains that someone else’s speech hurts their feelings, so it should be banned, they are wrong.
This is a principle. It works with people who say shitty things no matter if it’s right-wing shitty kings or left-wing shitty things.
If you find yourself in support of banning only one type of shitty things people say, you are no longer supporting a principle.
In Sullum's view, it is immoral for a private company to be forced to hire or associate with bigots. But a government must be forced to accept known bigots and grant them citizenship.
He would rationalize this seeming discrepancy by making a distinction between and private and government. But there is none. The government can form contracts that concern speech, and apply their own speech code. There's no difference between Kahlil on a Green Card and me reporting to jury duty, where I'm told I must not engage in hate speech or use government computer to watch explicit material.
Yes, the process can be subjective. A deplatformed vaccine skeptic can argue that his position didn't violate Youtube TOS. A green card holder can appeal revocation for thinking a marriage is between two different sexes. But sympathizing with terrorists and urging violence is clear cut. It's disqualifying. We don't have to put this open and shut violation through "due process", just as the government doesn't have to actually prove a crime to impeach a president. Or at least, that was Reason's position. Right? It's a requirement of morality.
Again, move the Jew out of the question. Would you give green card holder to a white supremacist? One that says murdering immigrant civilians is acceptable in ANY way? Yes, that offends me as an immigrant. I'm offended! If you told me "Well we can't deport him just because YOU'RE offended" I'd just not want to talk to you anymore.
“ In Sullum's view, it is immoral for a private company to be forced to hire or associate with bigots. But a government must be forced to accept known bigots and grant them citizenship.”
I don’t remember him saying anything like that. Could you refresh my memory?
“ He would rationalize this seeming discrepancy by making a distinction between and private and government. But there is none.”
There is a huge difference between a private company and the government. Legally, structurally, and purpose-wise, they are vastly different.
“But sympathizing with terrorists and urging violence is clear cut“
Not at all. The first one, while awful, is protected by the First Amendment. The second, I believe, is one of the exceptions that have been created over the years by SCOTUS. I think it falls into the “threat” category.
“ We don't have to put this open and shut violation through "due process",”
We do, according to the Constitution. Due process is in there.
“just as the government doesn't have to actually prove a crime to impeach a president.”
That’s because impeachment isn’t a legal process, it’s a political process. It’s like saying that you don’t have to pass a driver’s test to write a term paper. Of course you don’t, the two are different things.
“ Would you give green card holder to a white supremacist?”
I have no idea if being a white supremacist is disqualifying to hold a green card. If it is, then no. If it isn’t, then as much as I hate it, you can’t use it as a basis to deny the green card.
“ Yes, that offends me as an immigrant. I'm offended!”
Me, too, and I’m not an immigrant. But me being offended isn’t a valid reason to deny anyone anything.
“ If you told me "Well we can't deport him just because YOU'RE offended" I'd just not want to talk to you anymore.”
Think about what you just said. If a single person, based on their individual, personal values and judgement, is offended, then the government should be able to take action. That gives carte blanc to the government because someone, somewhere, is offended by anything.
I find people who are virulently angry at only one side of the political spectrum for the exact same behavior to be dishonest and vile. As someone who loves his country, they deeply offend me. But as awful as Jesse and his paleocon friends are, my feelings are irrelevant to their rights. The point of having a nation of laws is to reduce, as much as possible, the impact of opinion and feeling in the law and making it, as much as possible, about the standards that the law sets.
For example, I understand the impetus and reasoning behind affirmative action. But I think it’s wrong. If the principle is that the government shouldn’t discriminate based on race (or gender, or religion, etc.), then they shouldn’t discriminate at all.
As much as I support Israel and am amazed and impressed with so many things they’ve done (the pager attack was the most brilliant and effective piece of espionage in history), people who hate them shouldn’t be prevented from expressing their hatred. While Hamas is awful and membership is a fantastic reason to label a person worthless and a cancer on the world, saying you support them is vile, but protected. As it should be.
Because that’s when it is hardest to live your principles, when you loathe everything about someone and know that what you believe is more important than your disgust.
Anyone can defend free speech when they agree. A true advocate will defend it when they disagree, even at a visceral level.
"I don’t remember him saying anything like that. Could you refresh my memory?"
Yes, that's essentially his position.
There is no difference between the government and private entities in their prerogative to form contracts that concern speech. Youtube can have TOS that says hateful content can be deplatformed. Our government can mandate that green cards holders must main good moral character and not negatively affect US foreign policy, which inevitably involve speech.
Kahlil is being deported because the offensiveness of his speech violated contract. A judge randomly ordered the Trump admin to prove that he was a supporter of Hamas. And they did in spades.
Because there are videos of him not only expressing hate, but also advocating violence. So the judge ordered him deported. Expressing support for Hamas is 1A protected. But it disqualifies you from green card. You don't need "due process" for impeachment because it's a political process, and we don't need one green card because it's a contract process.
1A is not a "I get to say whatever I want whenever I want" card. It only prevents the government from denying your rights based on speech. You have no right to a green card or pass out antisemitic pamphlets inside DMV building. And due process only mean legal protocols owed to you are observed, it doesn't mean you're guaranteed trial by jury. These misconception form your faulty "You can't deport just because it offends YOU or Trump" premise. When it comes to law, TOS, and contract, the conduct that offends only concern the agreed upon standard. If no one other than Trump is offended by a lynching video, it's perfectly kosher for YT to remove it.
Trump could have been constrained, but due to Sen. Thune's betrayal, Trump is running wild while backed by idiots like Pig Hegseth.
https://tinyurl.com/99Thune88 April 24, 2025, CityWatch, Sen. John Thune’s Perfidy, by Richard Lee Abrams