A SWAT Team Destroyed an Innocent Woman's House. The Supreme Court Won't Hear Her Case.
Whether or not the government is required under the 5th Amendment to pay such victims will remain an open question.

The Supreme Court last month declined to hear a case from an elderly woman whose house was destroyed by a SWAT team, leaving open the question of whether or not innocent people are constitutionally entitled to compensation when law enforcement lays waste to their property in pursuit of public safety.
In July 2020, while chasing a fugitive, police arrived at Vicki Baker's home in McKinney, Texas. They threw dozens of tear gas grenades inside, used explosives to break the front and garage doors, and drove a tank through her backyard fence, although Baker's daughter, Deanna Cook, had supplied them with a key to the home, a garage door opener, and the back gate code.
The suspect, Wesley Little, had previously worked for Baker as a handyman and barricaded himself inside her home while on the run from police. He had kidnapped a teenage girl, whom he released after the cops arrived. But Little himself refused to exit, prompting law enforcement to ravage the house. (He ultimately killed himself.)
Baker, who was in Montana when her house was destroyed, never contested that police acted in the best interest of the community when it sought to extract Little from her home. She took issue, however, with the subsequent response from the government, which refused to compensate her for the more than $50,000 in damages. Her homeowners insurance likewise declined to pay, as many policies explicitly do not cover damage caused by the government.
"I've lost everything," she told me in 2021. "I've lost my chance to sell my house. I've lost my chance to retire without fear of how I'm going to make my regular bills." Baker, who was undergoing treatment for stage 3 breast cancer when we spoke, had been preparing to retire with her husband in Montana. After the house was ruined, a buyer predictably withdrew. The government said she did not qualify as a "victim."
She is not the only person with such a story. At the core of the case and those like hers is whether or not the Constitution legally obligates the government to repay people who are not suspected of criminal wrongdoing but whose property is nevertheless destroyed by police in an attempt to protect the community. The Takings Clause of the 5th Amendment promises that private property cannot be taken for public use "without just compensation," though some lower courts have ruled that actions taken by police in stories like these operate under an exception to that rule.
Baker's case has slogged through the courts for years. A federal judge rejected the city's attempt to have her lawsuit dismissed, describing the interpretation of the 5th Amendment that would prevent her from suing as "untenable," and in 2022 a jury awarded her $59,656.59 in damages. But the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit reversed that judgment last year, ruling there was a "necessity" exception to the Takings Clause that foreclosed relief under federal law.
Some previous decisions suggest that such an exception may exist, wrote Justice Sonia Sotomayor in a statement, joined by Justice Neil Gorsuch, concerning the Court's denial of certiorari. In Bowditch v. Boston (1879), for example, the high court said that the government did not have to pay a building owner after firefighters destroyed his structure in order to stop a fire from spreading. Yet the rulings on the books are not really analogous to Baker's "because the destruction of her property was necessary, but not inevitable," Sotomayor said. "Whether any such exception exists (and how the Takings Clause applies when the government destroys property pursuant to its police power) is an important and complex question that would benefit from further percolation in the lower courts prior to this Court's intervention."
In 2020, the justices declined to hear a similar case concerning a Colorado family who had to demolish their home and take out a $390,000 loan after a SWAT team blew up the house while seeking to apprehend a fugitive.
So for now, other victims will continue to meet a similar ending. In 2022, police ravaged Carlos Pena's California printing business and equipment after a fugitive barricaded himself inside; that same year, Amy Hadley's home in Indiana was ruined after a botched police investigation led them to her house in search of a suspect who had never been there. The government left them with nothing.
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Why no outrage in the media?
The mainstream media does not care even a little about the property rights of little people.
Only the nutty far left wants to restrain police.
Defund isn't restrain. The far left sees police as an extension of those who once chased fugitive slaves and wants that abolished.
Who the fuck chases a fugitive with a tank?
I am assuming this ruling is only about whether there is a right to compensation under federal constitutional law. It should not affect the homeowner’s right to pursue a claim under state law. However, it is likely that there are various state-law immunities that make it harder to sue under her state’s law.
It's hard to imagine what the basis for this police exception is. If the government desperately needs, say, cement and rebar to deal with a flood and takes it from a hardware store, it has to pay for it, doesn't it? If the policy argument is that the police will be reluctant to take actions that will cost the public money, you'd think that, if they were decent people, they'd be even more reluctant to take actions that would cost innocent private parties money since the public is better able to bear the expense.
police will be reluctant to take actions that will cost the public money
They're reluctant to take actions that could come out of their budget.
A work-around for that would be not to take it out of the police budget. Rather, have an "emergency expense" fund that it comes out of, which would also cover things like floods, unusually heavy snowfall, etc.
In Illinois all taxing bodies have a "tort immunity" fund that comes out of the property tax levy. It has been grossly abused by local governments as is typical of all things in Illinois but it is better than sovereign immunity. Pretty sure this lady would have gotten her 50k with a competent lawyer.
It’s the “fuck you that’s why” basis. We live in a feudal society with different costumes. Knights have never had to pay for destroying the homes of mere peasants. Don’t expect that to change now.
I feel like it's more of the "we need to knock down a whole bunch of houses quickly to make a fire break or *everyone* loses their house, and there's no way we can afford to compensate them" scenario that's of concern.
Even local governments have millions of dollars. They can afford it.
If a public emergency is too big for local government to pay fair compensation, that is what State and Federal disaster declarations are for (though current US disaster laws may need revision.).
"A SWAT Team Destroyed an Innocent Woman's House. The Supreme Court Won't Hear Her Case."
So, why do why do we even have a SCOTUS?
Oh, that's right.
To have nine under-educated, politically connected morons make a ton of money from the taxpayers for life.
Sorry, I forgot.
The USSC can hardly take every case, even if we think it has merit. It could also be a compromise, where some jurists agreed not to hear this case so they could get another case on the docket.
They can absolutely take every case. They are just lazy and don't want too.
Their job is to creatively interpret the constitution to mean whatever it takes to defend the government, and occasionally throw us a bone.
Not to defend the government, unless it is a Republican being defended.
SCOTUS does not take thousands of cases every year.
Because they are lazy, not because they can't.
It's an interesting legal question whether current law requires the government to pay such victims but there is no question at all that the government should be required to pay such victims.
Amen
Yet the rulings on the books are not really analogous to Baker's "because the destruction of her property was necessary, but not inevitable," Sotomayor said.
Since the cops had the keys to the front door, the opener to the garage, and the code to the back gate, how was the destruction of the house necessary?
He originally had a hostage, and sometimes a violent entry is required in such an instance. The shock value can cause the perpetrator to freeze momentarily, giving the officers time to save the hostage. But I don't know enough from this, as it states the hostage was released (doesn't specify when). Sometimes a violent entry is called for, even if you have the keys.
The article says he released the hostage when the cops showed up, then killed himself.
Yeah. I was mistaken. Still a barricaded, armed assailant can require a violent entry, depending on the circumstances. Not saying that's the case but sometimes that's the best option when negotiations fail. It really depends on the situation. Having the keys may or may not change the tactical options.
Legally, it was "necessary" because her lawyers conceded that point at the lower court. I think that was a mistake and it's probably that exact mistake that cost her the opportunity to get SCOTUS to hear the case.
Only an idiot Justice would make that matter.
Doesn't matter whether it's necessary or not. If I drive my care through your home I have to pay. The government is not different.
Today at Reason, "Libertarian" Billy Binion makes the case for taxpayer-based restitution. "MOAR TAXES" the "Libertarian," effectively screams.
You know why SCOTUS is refusing to hear this? Because she's already got her remedy in tort. Vicki Baker should be suing Wesley Little. Or, in this case, his estate. She could and would have primacy over any other claims to his estate - including creditors and the IRS.
Also, you know what else your examples have in common? Criminals doing crimey things. Where's your denouncing of Little's crimes? Where's your respect for the Rule of Law, which crimey criminals constantly flout, as you instead blame the police for having to deal with them doing so? Aren't criminals encouraged to barricade themselves inside houses by people like you, who encourage them to commit crime?
Also, let's not miss out on the Reason Writers Citing Their Own Articles *DRINK*.
You are clown town, Binion. You should be spending your time getting hummers from your fat bald girlfriend, instead of trying to lower the overall IQ of this website's readers.
If an individual destroys your property for no good reason, are they liable? Hold the individual police officers responsible. They can purchase insurance for that eventuality
That's bullshit in my opinion. I can see the department or city or such having insurance, but requiring the individual officers, that's almost as short sighted as defund the police. Two things will happen, police won't use force when necessary to avoid their rates going up, thus innocents will be harmed AND the ambulance chasers will use their insurance as an excuse to launch a bunch of bullshit lawsuits. In fact, we discussed something similar in nursing school, should nurses carry individual malpractice insurance or rely on their employers. The big argument against carrying individual insurance is you actually are more likely to be sued if you have your own insurance. You actually become a target for lawsuits, especially when something goes bad rather or not it was your fault. Oh, and juries love to say 'someone needs to pay even though no one did anything wrong, and they have insurance so no harm, no foul'. Furthermore, it isn't the police who are at fault. The damage was caused because of the criminal actions of the perpetrator, ergo, the correct responsible party should be the criminal. Going after the police is largely because the police are more likely have the means pay than the dead criminal.
In defense of the 'cop insurance' idea, your objections exactly parallel the objections raised by doctors when the idea of malpractice insurance was rolled out. The parade of horribles you describe didn't happen for doctors, leading me to be very skeptical about whether it would happen for cops. (I should also point out that many nurses do carry individual malpractice insurance.)
" The parade of horribles you describe didn't happen for doctors, "
Citation needed. Malpractice liability is frequently cited as the reason that we have very few individual practitioners anymore, and a completely different doctor landscape where hospitals and large health companies own all the doctor practices.
The police in this case had keys to the house and didn’t need to destroy it to get in. They were probably just happy to get to play SWAT, knowing that they could destroy with no liability. That’s a recipe for disaster.
I dare you to go and try to unlock a door with an armed assailant barricaded behind it. Telle how that works out.
You understand the issues.
""The big argument against carrying individual insurance is you actually are more likely to be sued if you have your own insurance.""
Maybe, maybe not. They tend to sue anyway. Daniel Penny didn't have insurance, didn't use a gun, will get sued anyway for an amount he can't possibly pay.
They're not responsible for a suspect barricading themselves in someone's home. They go where the crime is.
The suspect is responsible for that. And if they're hoping to take advantage of that in hopes that the cops will go mittens-on for fear of collateral damage, that's why they're directly liable to the property-owners.
As a thought experiment, what's the limiting degree on that? How much generalized police havoc can a suspect be held responsible for? If a police officer runs over someone with their car in pursuit of a suspect, is the criminal responsible? Is an officer immunized against all responsibility for firing blindly into a building because they hear gunshots? If police have no responsibility for their own actions, can anyone honestly expect them to behave with any kind of restraint?
Depends on where you are. In Arkansas the criminal would be responsible. IIRC there was a case where two guys broke into a house and the owner shot and killed one of them. They charged the other criminal with the death of his partner.
""If police have no responsibility for their own actions, can anyone honestly expect them to behave with any kind of restraint?""
No.
If a police officer runs over someone with their car in pursuit of a suspect, is the criminal responsible? Is an officer immunized against all responsibility for firing blindly into a building because they hear gunshots?
Those are highly specific circumstances of police dereliction. If a cop jumps a sidewalk and starts mowing down pedestrians in their chase of a suspect, obviously that's beyond. A jaywalker, on the other hand. If a cop is blind firing his weapon, obviously that's beyond. If a civilian walks into the active scene, on the other hand.
The cops have to play the hand they're dealt by the suspects. And even then, they have to play it conservatively. Which they often do. It's like the fourth rule of gun safety. You don't unload a magazine into a patch of drywall without being 100% certain of what's behind it. I, for one, wouldn't defend any cop or citizen that did.
But if you know a room is clear of anyone except hostiles, and you know that suspect isn't giving up without a fight - then yea, you might have to break some stuff. And the stuff's owner should take it up with the suspect.
Doesn't matter the reason, the government did it and has the money. They are obligated to pay.
Why? Why them and not the criminal?
You will not like the big tax increases needed to increase the salaries of individual police officers who have to pay for their own individual liability insurance.
If it means nuking police unions and switching to privatized police contracts I think we'll all come out ahead.
What makes you think they will have to buy their own. The doctors where I work are on our malpractice insurance. They do not have to buy it.
But point taken. The money has to come from somewhere.
As opposed to the big tax increases to pay for settlements?
Don't care. It's the right thing to do. We can cut other unneeded funding anyway to make up for it.
If the IRS doesn't take priority over other claims your taxes will increase
Why bother stopping at destroying the house? Maybe the guy slipped out without anyone noticing. Better to carpet bomb the city to make sure no criminal escapes.
Local law enforcement doesn't have access to that kind of hardware. Don't be silly.
Maybe they should, right? If it stops one shoplifter it's worth it.
You want the police to be able to bomb people?
The f.
Look, crime needs to be eliminated at any cost. And the police need to be protected at any cost. What better way to be sure you get your man than to get every man while keeping the police safe from violence? There are decommissioned bombers out in the Boneyard that can surely be repurposed for use by large municipal police departments. Many already have helicopters. Ramp up civil asset forfeiture, use the proceeds to purchase ordinance, and eliminate crime by eliminating the population. I suppose you could look into NBC options if you wanted too, just to make sure the criminal element is eradicated.
I think we should fight. Like, legit fist-fight. But I'm going to tie both your hands behind your back. And poke a finger in your eye. And hit you with a sap in the junk before we begin.
Ready? Let's fight.
Look, crime needs to be eliminated at any cost. And the police need to be protected at any cost.
Do you agree or disagree with those statements?
I think we should fight. Like, legit fist-fight. But I'm going to tie both your hands behind your back. And poke a finger in your eye. And hit you with a sap in the junk before we begin.
Ready? Let's fight.
Did I know about these rules in advance and step into the ring of my own free will anyway?
No.
And you didn't answer the question.
You really think this guy had anywhere near enough money to rebuild a house?
Get a judgment. Then garnish.
Garnishing the wages of a guy who killed himself.
BRILLIANT!
If he's dead, then make a claim against the estate.
Why is it you think you, and by extension I, should be financially responsible for this? I mean, if you're that guilt-ridden, donate to her GoFundMe.
And if he has nothing? The lady is out nothing?
You and me are finically responsible because we pay the cops to save lives no matter what, so they should pay to fix when they do that. Easy man!
Otherwise let's destroy your house after a criminal gets in there and see how you feel when you have a mortgage and no house now.
And if he has nothing?
Are you suggesting that we seek restitution from his heirs?
You and me are finically responsible because we pay the cops to save lives no matter what
That's not why we pay them.
Otherwise let's destroy your house after a criminal gets in there and see how you feel when you have a mortgage and no house now.
All the more reason to crack down - hard - on criminal activity, no? Everything from smoking a joint to serial murder. But yet, folks at Reason are strangely adverse to that. I can't figure it out. The conclusion always seems to come down to "I think they actually WANT crime." (Incidentally, you end up at the same place when trying to make sense of Democrats.)
Y'know, if you took the whole "policing criminals" thing more seriously, one might be more sympathetic to your position here. But when you encourage criminal behavior, and neuter the justice system's ability to do anything about it (which is what you're suggesting in the present case)... I mean, sucks for the random homeowner, but maybe she - and you, as her advocate - should be a little more engaged in helping address this sort of thing BEFORE the bad guys barricade themselves in some innocent bystanders home, no?
Why is it you think you, and by extension I, should be financially responsible for this?
Because the police, who are paid by you and I, made the decision to destructively enter the house when they were presented with a means of entry that didn't require it. The intruder didn't set off any bombs or drive a tank through the place, according to the story.
made the decision to destructively enter the house when they were presented with a means of entry that didn't require it.
Again with the MMQ. You guys are so good at this after the fact and from your armchairs! Have you ever considered taking this plethora of knowledge to an active crime scene?
No her remedy is to take it from the government who destroyed it and can pay. She'll never get the money from the estate.
Yes taxes for important government things is allowed in libertarianism, that's the difference from anarchists.
You call people names when you should look at yourself.
No her remedy is to take it from the government who destroyed it and can pay. She'll never get the money from the estate.
So, I'm just curious how you think all this should work. The cops have an emergent situation with an active hostile. The hostile has taken hostages - persons or property - and will not be brought down without force that might harm said persons or property.
Should the cops... I don't know, call a CPA to determine the perp's net worth before making a decision on things? Or do criminals sometimes genuinely screw over innocent people? People who have - perhaps unsatisfactorily - a civil remedy at hand? And if that's the case, then why are we blaming the cops for that?
Or is this all one big global MMQ where we say, "Well the cops should have gone in with their fairy wand and waived it in such a way that the bad guy would have immediately been transformed into a volunteer at a soup kitchen for retarded kids."
Bad guys do bad things to good people. This woman had her house destroyed. That's not the cops' fault. That's the bad guys fault. Put the blame where it belongs.
Should the cops... I don't know, call a CPA to determine the perp's net worth before making a decision on things?
Of course not. Clearly they should have nuked the house from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
You want cops to have orbital nuclear weapons?!
You don't?!
No.
Then obviously you want the bad guys to win. The surest way to eliminate crime while keeping the precious police safe is to evacuate police from the area and then go NBC on it.
I think it's been sufficiently illustrated that we can stop the bad guys short of that. You just... kinda don't want to, for some reason.
All it takes is wanton destruction, for which you seem to be cheerleading. Then let's go for maximum wanton.
It's not wanton. It's made necessary by the criminals.
Why not discourage the criminals from doing crimey-things, instead of always discouraging the cops from trying to stop them?
It's not wanton. It's made necessary by the criminals.
Are you saying destroying the house was the only option? If not, then it wasn't necessary.
Why not discourage the criminals from doing crimey-things, instead of always discouraging the cops from trying to stop them?
Nukes would stop criminals. Why are you against stopping criminals?
"Only option" and "best option" don't mean the same thing.
Look Chip, this is very simple: the criminals don't get to dictate the terms, and they certainly don't get to exploit collateral damage in order to try.
Stop pretending like they should.
Your contempt is misplaced. It belongs solely and squarely with Wesley Little. Same way the homeowner's should. Which is why the Court refuses to take up the subject.
So what's the best course of action when some nut case barricades hirself in your house or place of business?
Bob forgot how to spell "her." THAT's telling...
The only surprise is that the SWAT teams commander didn't send Vicky Baker a bill for "renovations".
I was at first read through on board with the police having to pay, but on further thought, whose actions are ultimately responsible? The police who were responding to a barricaded assailant who was armed or the armed assailant who barricaded themselves in this Lady's home? Oh they had the key. Doesn't really matter without knowing the situation and why they chose to use a violent entry. That's as big a red herring as 'he was unarmed'. Now, if you can show the police were negligent in opting for a forced entry, maybe the share at least partial culpability (but I still say the larger culpability is the criminal's actions). The reason you don't sue the criminal and sue the police department is specifically because the police department is more capable of paying off any settlement, but where does that money come from? If, however, the police were not negligent (Binnion doesn't do a good job explaining why they entered the way the do, just tries to imply it was unwarranted because they had the keys, I date Billy to try and unlock a door, with someone on the other barricaded with a gun oh any of the rest of you who are focused on the keys). Part of liberty is assigning blame correctly to the guilty party. It's possible both parties are guilty to a degree but which party shares the largest culpability, the criminal whose actions ultimately were at fault or the police responding to the criminals actions? Why should the police be the sole one responsible for paying damages, if their actions were in response to a criminals actions? Why shouldn't the criminal be the one held responsible? Oh, because criminals rarely have the money to pay settlements. That's all this comes down to, isn't it?
Now, in the case where the cops are acting on bad intelligence or get the wrong address they certainly should be held fully culpable.
Most of the time police storm in with intent to kill, and corpses can’t be sued.
Their estate can and no, they don't. It's amazing how you forgive the Capital police for killing a woman he stated he didn't fully see, and who was unharmed while blaming cops in every other situation. Funny that.
If I kill someone driving drunk and also die in the accident, they're next of kin most certainly can sue my estate. This is all about who can pay out. Not who is at fault. You even just basically admitted it.
In fact, many police agencies spend thousands of dollars in such situations trying to negotiate and avoid having to go in hard and use lethal force. And even when they do go in hard, it isn't to kill unless someone else's life is threatened.
And corpses can't sue but their families sure as hell can. Ask Daniel Penny.
Funny how you forgive everything the police do, citing the death of Saint Babbitt The Martyr Of January Sixth The Day Of The Steal, the worst act ever committed by the police, to which nothing can compare.
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There ya go. Kill them all, then break out the qualified immunity and everything goes away-with the Suprema People's Corte's own Nihil Obstat. It dowsn't get any more Christian and Nationalsocialist that that. See UK Foreign Minister Anthony Eden on the proper procedure. Or see if Aguinaldo left any writings on what it was like being invaded, shot and occupied whin Teedy Rosenfeld replaced the crool hand iv Spain!
I think you meant corpses can't sue?
The family can.
"The family of Jordan Neely is moving forward with a civil lawsuit against Daniel Penny after the Marine veteran was found not guilty by a jury on Monday.""
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/jordan-neely-father-suing-daniel-penny/6042538/
The point you're missing here is that the cops (neither individually nor collectively) are being asked to pay. The original request for payment was to the city.
Now, I will grant that the city (arguably) did nothing wrong - the criminal did. But the city (through its cops) decided that the best way to stop this criminal was by blowing up this lady's house instead of any of the other options they could have taken. Stopping the criminal was a public good. The government took her house (by destroying it) to accomplish that public good. Why should she have to bear the entire cost of the benefit accrued to the entire community?
Because Babbitt. That’s why.
I'm guessing you're not referring to the Sinclair Lewis novel. But the only other Babbitt that jumps to mind in Ashli Babbitt and I'm not seeing a connection there, either. Clarify, please?
Sarc is lost. Too many people live rent free in his head and he jumps to one of those things. This is his way of bringing up other people complaining about Ashli Babbitt being shot.
Um, who granted the peegs immunity so as to collect more asset-forfeiture looting? And they all being altruists, shouldn't they be sharing? Sharing was the ribbon with which G Waffen Bush wrapped up his Faith-Based EOs to kick in doors, shoot and rob people before the 2008 Crash, remember?
This case has nothing to do with QI or asset forfeiture. Even the plaintiff agreed that the police did nothing wrongful in the destruction of her house. The only wrong is that having taken and destroyed the house for the public good, the city government is now refusing to pay for it.
I date Billy to try and unlock a door, with someone on the other barricaded with a gun oh any of the rest of you who are focused on the keys
None of these cops were conscripted into the force. It's a job that entails some risk on occasion. They had the option of non-forceable entry from multiple points at once. Instead they basically decided to call in an air strike and sift through the rubble afterwards for remains.
So courage. Much heroic.
If you had to decide an equitable rate for proportional death of cops to criminals, how would you mark that? 60/40?
I mean, they signed up for the job. They should be cannon fodder thrown at criminal enterprise with total reckless disregard, right? And, obviously, because criminals can affect innocents, we should give the criminals a wide berth, right?
I honestly can't tell with you, Chip - do you hate cops, or do you hate the justice system itself?
Here's a fun thought experiment. Suppose we took your neutered version of law enforcement and applied it to this situation. Bad guy has take up occupancy of Innocent's home. Neutered Police are not allowed to take action against Innocent's home in an effort to bring down Bad Guy.
So now Bad Guy is effectively a trapped squatter. (Ooh, better yet, let's assume he's got Innocent as a hostage!) He's not getting out, but Neutered Police can't do anything about him, because it might cost Innocent some monies she can't recover.
Well, OK, I guess Bad Guy wins.
That the result you're aiming for?
Here's a fun thought experiment.
Ah, the inevitable "BUT WHAT IF?" line.
I'm talking about THIS SITUATION, where the cops were given every means of entry yet chose instead to use explosives and tanks, AFTER THE GUY HAD RELEASED THE HOSTAGE.
Let me know when you want to talk about that.
We are talking about that. That's the point of the thought experiment. It applies directly to the situation; it just makes it easier and puts it in simpler terms for armchair quarterbacks to work their little pea brains around.
Do you want the Bad Guys to win? Yes or no.
Let's just put a full stop on the conversation for a moment and address that singular point. Because I am perhaps foolishly making an assumption that, like me, you don't. If you do, that changes the analysis.
So, do you?
We are talking about that.
You are most definitely not. Want proof?
(Ooh, better yet, let's assume he's got Innocent as a hostage!)
There was no hostage when the police decided to firebomb the house.
Let me know when you want to discuss the actual situation as it happened.
It was a parenthetical afterthought that helps illustrate the idiocy of surrendering to the trapped squatter for fear of risking collateral damage. Take it out if you want.
And you didn't answer the question. Again.
Again, when we start talking about this actual situation I'll happily answer questions. But when your assertions include "Neutered Police can't do anything about him, because it might cost Innocent some monies she can't recover" then I know you're not talking about this actual situation.
Let me know when you want to talk about this actual situation.
Well, I mean, we are - but you're kind of avoiding it.
OK pop quiz hotshot, you're the Monday Morning Quarterback on this particular play. What did you do here instead?
You have means of ingress and presumably someone who knows the layout of the house. Once you have that knowledge, you can send in multiple teams at once to sweep the house. You have one armed individual, so obviously armor up. Flashbang grenades can disorient the suspect.
Or you can go with your preferred route: raze the house and sift the rubble for remains, then send the homeowner a bill for the overtime.
Great. In the meantime, he reconned all the ingresses, searched the house for further armament, set up traps, planned an egress, made a bunch of phone calls to his buddies to assist, opened all the gas lines, and then snuck out while you were priming the flashbangs.
See, I can MMQ using the same degree you have in Hollywood Movies 101.
Cornered dogs are desperate, dangerous animals. The last thing you want to give them is time and opportunity to come up with a plan for getting out of the corner, and then to act on it.
So we agree the nukes should be primed to drop at a moment's notice. Good talk.
It wouldn't've helped her because she was too far away, but if you can, it seems the best you can do is to deflect suspicion that the fugitive is there. "He went that-a-way!" It always seems the police do much more damage than the criminal, so you're best off helping to hide the criminal, albeit the criminal poses some direct danger to you.
Gee, that's big of you, considering he originally had a underage female hostage. So big of you to send the cops somewhere else and risk her life. Just really big of you.
I'm not saying we should have civil asset forfeiture, but if it exists, one of its ONLY uses should be to pay out in cases like this one. None of it should go to a slush fund or general budget.
Actually let's do that with traffic tickets and other such revenue-raising civil harassment as well, while we're at it. No more funding bloated local government on speed traps.
I'm not saying we shouldn't be robbed under color of law by goons with service pistols. But, then again, however, still...
DUH! So Christian National Socialists destroy property and find protection from the Christian National Socialist suprema corte, complete with Long Dong as Clayton Bigsby. What a surprise. Their MAGAt shills here are leading the cheering section--until subscribers notice the Mute Ubermensch button.
So why doesn't 'reason' cancel the Christmas party and instead donate the money to Baker?
The destruction of her home was never necessary. The bad guy released his hostage and was totally contained. He posed little to no immediate threat. Just observe the exits and wait until the dumbass surrenders or starves. (Or kills himself, as in this case.)
Seems like it's the insurance company that is the real root of the problem. I would say that damage by government is something that home owner policies should cover
I dunno if they refuse to cover that or it would cost more.
The insurance exception you propose becomes murky since it leads to questions about acts of war, and then is it a declared war or some terrorist act.
But if the town did this, then it seems that the town is liable for repairs.
Seems to me that the precedent in Bowditch is wrong and this would be another good time for Roberts to ditch his respect for stare decisis and at least hear the case.
a "necessity" exception
Not to be found in any US Constitution text I've read. Is this one of the super-secret clauses of the Constitution only judges are given?
"Baker ... never contested that police acted in the best interest of the community when it sought to extract Little from her home."
I, on the other hand, DO take issue with the notion that destroying a private home constitutes acting in the best interest of the community. Police apparently knew that the suspect was all alone in the house and that there were no innocent people at risk at the time. They could have simply kept the house under surveillance. But ... no ... the Rambo wannabes wanted to try out their paramilitary toys and this was the perfect opportunity for them to carry out their violent wet dreams in real time! One of these days I'd like to sit in on a post-action debriefing session with these swat-twats where someone asks them to explain why they just had to get their rocks off by destroying the community in order to protect it. Just once I'd like to hear what they have to say during the post-coital glow. "Was it good for YOU, Clem?" "Ooooooh yeaaah!"
"Here are the keys to the house, the code to the back gate, and the garage door opener."
"Too late, lady, we already brought the explosives and the Bearcat. LET'S GO BOYS!"