A SWAT Team Blew Up This Innocent Couple's Home and Left Them With the Bill. Was That Constitutional?
Mollie and Michael Slaybaugh are reportedly out over $70,000. The government says it is immune.

A federal court yesterday heard arguments in an appeal concerning an area of law that, while niche, has seen a streak of similarly situated plaintiffs pile up in recent years. At stake: When a SWAT team destroys an innocent person's property, should the owner be strapped with the bill?
There is what I would consider a commonsense answer to that question. But in a reminder that common sense does not always guide law and policy, that is not the answer reached by several courts across the U.S., where such victims are sometimes told that "police powers" provide an exception to the Constitution's promise to give just compensation when the government usurps property for public use.
It remains to be seen where the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit will fall as it evaluates the complaint from Mollie and Michael Slaybaugh, who are reportedly on the hook for over $70,000 after a SWAT team destroyed much of their home in Smyrna, Tennessee.
In January 2022, Mollie Slaybaugh stepped outside her house and was greeted by a police officer with his gun drawn. She was informed that her adult son, James Jackson Conn—who did not live with her but had recently arrived to visit—was wanted for questioning concerning the murder of a police officer, which she says was news to her. Although she offered to speak to Conn and bring him out of her house, law enforcement declined to permit that, or to let her re-enter at all, so she went to stay at her daughter's house nearby.
The next day, police broke down the door and launched dozens of tear gas grenades into the Slaybaughs' home, laying waste to nearly everything in the house. Their insurance declined to assist them, as their policy—like many policies—does not cover damage caused by the government. Yet both Smyrna and Rutherford County said they were immune from helping as well.
But despite Mollie Slaybaugh's offer to coax Conn out sans tear gas, her complaint does not dispute that it was in the best interest of the community for law enforcement to do as they did that day. It merely contests the government's claim that innocent property owners should have to bear the financial burden by themselves when police destroy their homes in pursuit of a suspect.
"Law enforcement is a public good. Through our taxes, we pay for the training, equipment, and salaries of police officers. We pay to incarcerate criminals. We pay for a court system and public defenders," reads her complaint. "When the police destroy private property in the course of enforcing the criminal laws, that is simply another cost of law enforcement. Forcing random, innocent individuals to shoulder that cost alone would be as fair as conducting a lottery to determine who has to pay the police chief's salary each year."
That hypothetical is absurd. And yet the spirit of it is at the heart of several court decisions on the matter. That includes the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Tennessee, which ruled last year that the Slaybaughs were not entitled to a payout because, in the court's view, the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment does not apply when the state seizes and destroys someone's property in the exercise of "police powers."
The Slaybaughs are unfortunately not alone. The notion that "police powers" immunize the government from liability is what doomed Leo Lech's lawsuit, which he filed after a SWAT team did so much damage to his home—in pursuit of a suspect that broke in and had no relation to the family—that it had to be demolished. In 2020, the Supreme Court declined to hear the case.
Similar claims are continuing to accumulate. The city of Los Angeles refused to compensate Carlos Pena after a SWAT team destroyed his North Hollywood print shop in pursuit of a suspect who barricaded himself inside, and the government in McKinney, Texas, turned away Vicki Baker after police ruined her home and much of its contents while, again, trying to catch a fugitive. After a legal odyssey of sorts, Baker was able to secure a judgment from a federal jury—though that was ultimately overturned by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit, which ruled there was a "necessity" exception to the Takings Clause. Most recently, the local government in South Bend, Indiana, rejected Amy Hadley's pleas for help after police mutilated her home in search of a suspect she'd never met and who'd never been to her home. An officer's botched investigation led law enforcement to her house, and she has been forced to pay the price of that blunder. Accountability should not just be for the little people.
"The plain text of the Just Compensation Clause contains no exemptions for the police power, for public necessity, or for damage done by law enforcement. And the government bears the burden of establishing that any such exception is grounded in our nation's history and tradition," Jeffrey Redfern, an attorney with the Institute for Justice representing the Slaybaughs, told the 6th Circuit yesterday. "But the government hasn't even tried to meet that burden. Instead it asks this court to blindly follow decisions from other jurisdictions—decisions whose reasoning the government isn't really defending."
In some sense, the government is throwing what it can at the wall to see what sticks. And a fair amount of nonadhesive material is successfully latching on—an exception to the laws of nature that few entities other than the government could reasonably hope to enjoy.
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You can’t mutilate a house.
You want progressive constitutional rulings, you get progressive constitutional rulings. Crazy what that parchment can do when it’s alive. Penumbras and emanations and such...
mutilate
transitive verb
2. To damage or mar (an object).
Since a house is an object, why, precisely, can't you mutilate a house?
Because it doesn't fit with his progressive-bashing diatribe.
These are not progressive rulings
And the parties switched, gotta get all your excuses out there
You're a fucking partisan clown.
Mutilate used to be applicable to mail. "Do Not Fold, Spindle or Mutilate" would be printed on the outside of certain kinds of letters, mostly from the government. So at least in the 80s and 90s it was used for inanimate objects. I think general usage today has been for news articles regarding corpses. But a journalism major learns emotional impact of words, not the actual definition.
Wait, so what the fuck happened here? They refused to let her back into her house, but the son stayed there for a whole day by himself waiting for the cops to come smash in the door?
My takeaway is that Billy Binion should be fired.
Conn was arrested the day after Puckett's death following an hourslong standoff with law enforcement at his Smyrna home. He was charged with first-degree murder and aggravated arson in connection with Puckett's death.
Dude stalks and then murders his ex-GF, a 22 y/o policewoman, shooting her 8 times and setting her house on fire. The killer returns to his own home and refuses to surrender in a standoff with police.
They have to use tear gas to extract alleged first degree murderer-arsonist and his mommy wants the police to pay for the damages.
Sure. Why charge her with the murder, too? After all, she let him hide out in her uterus.
Did she? Or did the Pro-Life power-mad mobsters make that choice for her? She asked the police if she could 'abort' him from the house and the power-mad mobsters said no.
Your drift off the cliff actually damages the point your pretending to make.
It's a good point. When I was a practicing locksmiting still I had some regular customers who had me out rekeying their locks frequently because their problem child would give out keys to irresponsible freinds and the parents would loose property.
The police wouldn't help since the son was the one granting access and the stuff stolen wasn't all that valuable monetarily speaking. It was a complicated situation. They couldn't throw the kid out until he was 18 or else the system would punish them.
The system had given up on trying to fix the kid. In a sense the parents had created the situation by being shitty parents but the government had stepped in and raised the kid as the voters had asked them to do. But when it all went to shit the system washed their hands and dumped the problem on the parents.
Some had "adult" children who lived at home and they couldn't manage to throw the kid out simply because the kid and his freinds would retaliate against the parents and again the cops wouldn't help.
Often times the system creates situations where the parents lose no matter what. It does reinforce the point that parents need to parent and keep the government out of their kids lives. But parents wind up losing on everything because of the system.
Again, it's a good argument for legal abortion. One wonders how many of these situations would have been solved if the mother hadn't of been pushed to "keep the child" by their superstitions or the superstitious waving pictures of dead babies in their faces outside the clinic.
That’s only effective if you legalize 81st trimester abortions.
Point flew over your head.
While this precise situation could not be solved now, since time travel is not yet an option, potential future situations like this are being formed right now.
Women who know they are not ready for motherhood are being guilt tripped by cross cultists to keep their children. Children they are not ready to raise properly, Children who will not have a father in the house. Children who are likely to grow up to be these monsters because the best predictor of future criminal behavior is a child growing up without a father in the home.
Sure, I get Christians think women need to be punished for having sex for reasons other than reproduction by being forced to become a mother. That punishment is creating the next generation of criminals. What do you prefer? Lots of criminals and zero abortions or fewer criminals and legal abortion.
I'd rather spend the tax money on abortions to reduce the number of criminals than spend the money on welfare programs, prisons and death penalty prosecutions. But that's just my view. Yours may differ.
This is just a longer form and less reasoned 'three generations of imbeciles is enough' statement.
So you think they should keep making new imbeciles? I suppose that would justify the efforts to turn the police into an occupying military force but it seems quite unreasonable. Not to mention rather costly. Isn't it better to spay and neuter your ghetto trash than encourage them to breed more criminals?
I think they should have the freedom to have or not have kids of their own volition, and it may come as a shock to you but the idea that Christians are somehow responsible for the choices of other people is basically telling us that you don't believe people have agency.
Certainly at least some Christians want to restrict abortion or do away with it entirely, but generally the 'no abortion ever' crowd is quite small as is the 'abortion until the seconds before birth' crowd.
This is how the government got into the permanent sterilization business in years past. By your logic, everyone should be temporarily sterilized and petition the government for a license to have kids and reverse the process, which isn't far off from what progressives want.
These stories always gloss over the details
You get that this is a site run by Libertarians who want to reduce the size and scope of government interference in the lives of we the people? What other spin do you expect? At least they are honest about the bias. It says so right on the front page. If you don't want that bias then try fucking off to a site that will practice police worship and leave out any details about the damage done to innocent people.
Principals, not principles.
We’re all familiar with your motto.
He DID NOT live there. Nor did the mommy know of the crime.
Cop defenders don't care about silly things like facts.
Learn to read, dumbfuck.
She was informed that her adult son, James Jackson Conn—who did not live with her but had recently arrived to visit—was wanted for questioning concerning the murder of a police officer, which she says was news to her.
Like I said, facts don't matter to cop defenders. Just like they don't matter to the cops.
They may not have needed teargas if they'd let her talk to him. Mom's can often peacefully do things police can't.
But the police have all this military surplus hardware the feds gave them. If they don't fuck up a house to get a single guy then they will have to pay to dispose of the hardware in a peaceful manner.
"The killer returns to his own home and refuses to surrender in a standoff with police."
It wasn't his home.
Mollie Slaybaugh stepped outside her house and was greeted by a police officer with his gun drawn. She was informed that her adult son, James Jackson Conn—who did not live with her but had recently arrived to visit—was wanted for questioning concerning the murder of a police officer, which she says was news to her.
Conn was arrested the day after Puckett's death following an hourslong standoff with law enforcement at his Smyrna home.
The lady cop spread her legs for this guy. If her kid was sleeping with a cop why should mommy think her son was doing anything criminal?
No matter how one spins this, the Reason headline is borderline journalistic malpractice. By the headline alone, I assumed this was a wrong-door raid.
There should not be a "police powers" exception to the takings clause.
A coirt can decide if the property owner is "innocent".
Exactly right. There certainly is not one written into the clause!
“Man Has a Disagreement With His Girlfriend, so the Police Burn Down His Mom’s House”
"Active shooter and serial killer runs into girlfriends house, cops kick door off hinges to arrest him. "
Headline: Cops rampage through neighborhood, kicking in doors, leave residents with bill.
So you think a kicked in door costs $70,000 to repair?
Wait a minute. Serial Killer has a fairly firm legal definition. Killing one cop doesn't fit the bill. Does this guy have a long Dexter like record of killing female cops he has fucked?
YOU assumed, but it is Reasons fault
Chicago cops fired 96 shots in 41 seconds and killed Dexter Reed, a black man, after pulling him over for failing to wear a seatbelt.
Yes, I assumed.
Sure it is, all I see is another apologist saying, "Govern me harder daddy."
How does the nature of his crime have anything to do with the tactics used to capture him? All this story tells me is that he did a crime. It doesn't even describe the standoff with police. Did he have hostages? Was anyone in danger?
Very true. One armed asshole in a house calls for a SWAT team to attack like the Israeli Army going after a house full of armed terrorists?
There aren't other options?
Recently we had to leave our apartment building because SWAT was going after one guy in an apartment. They were a non-resident family member of a downstairs neighbor, and were not even a resident of the state.
No shots were fired at any point, and it was described as a 'stand off' in local news reports despite it being entirely peaceful. Of course, an APC parked out in the front parking lot may have had something to do with that, along with the helicopter and drones they deployed.
The people using the crimes of the kid to justify the punishment of the parents should take a long hard look in the mirror.
If the government gets a free pass on private property destruction while 'chasing down suspects', you are encouraging local PD to use the most destructive possible option in every situation. Burn down a whole city block to take out one bad actor? Totally justified. After all, why would they do anything else? It ensures they all 'go home safe' when all that's left is a smoking crater.
Guilt isn't hereditary nor is it transferrable outside of very narrow special circumstances and one should be incredibly wary of all those special carve outs since, as this shows, they tend to grow like cancer over time.
If the police figured the mom knew about the crime her son committed, they would have charged her as an accessory after the fact or harboring a fugitive in a heartbeat. There is little question of that, yet there seems to be no indication that happened.
Well, we got through the whole day with ENB writing an article about the Drizzle Drizzle trend on Tik Tok. This reviewer is disappoint.
Totally unacceptable! When I was a 20 year old kid my roommate called maintenance about a fan out in the bathroom. He left a bag of old school weed in the bedroom. I got home from my job and cleaned up a bit. Suddenly I hear the world’s loudest noise. A SWAT Team broke through the front door , broke the closet doors behind the door, had machine guns and shields up telling me to ‘put my fucking hands up’ which I certainly did. They destroyed the house dumping out every piece of food, tearing up every mattress and couch. At the end I (which was not mine) got a $25 ticket for possession of a small amount of marijuana. Then the property management company gave us a leave in seven day notice to vacate or go to housing court. Not okay.
Yet again the drug war destroys another person's life for a victimless crime. Go figure. You can't have a police state without police.
Would that cop really have shot Mrs. Slaybaugh if she insisted that she WAS going back into her home, and did so? I sure hope and pray not. Ideally, citizens should have the courage to quietly stand up to abusive authority like that. I hope I would. But I guess that's asking a lot.
Shot her? Probably not. Arrested her and charged her with assaulting his fists, feet, knees, side of his car, sidewalk and butt of his rifle? Most certainly.
Can't have a police state without police.
Why didn't 'Conn' just walk out the door and get handcuffed? How's this zero responsibility of the owner? Does allowing someone to stay at your house void you of any responsibility for that decision? Why isn't 'Conn' being held liable for the damage? Especially If he resisted?
Cases like these are exactly why a judicial system exists. But I'm not buying the authors premise that just because a person owns a home they are void of any responsibility of those who are invited into it to stay. $70,000 on the fact-less face of it sounds like a retaliation case more than an actual charge of damage.
$100 says the house was the killer's legal address.
Legal address in what respect? The "permanent address" that credit card companies and banks want on your account? His mailing address because he was sleeping with his girlfriend most of the time? Or just the last address that was on his driver's license?
Conn was arrested the day after Puckett's death following an hourslong standoff with law enforcement at his Smyrna home.
Likely all three, and where his court summons were sent after he stalked and beat his previous victims. The cops knew where to find Conn, they had his address.
The address on the driver's license is the one that you are legally required to keep up to date. But the parent's weren't responsible for that.
Probably because he had shitty parents who raised a monster. But being a shitty parent isn't prosecutable, and it should not be prosecutable. Having a monster for a child is punishment enough.
Allowing someone to stay at your house WHEN YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE THEY COMMITTED A CRIME does pretty much mitigate or eliminate your responsibility.
True. If we are to say the family is responcible then we are to assume every time a child returns home to visit the parents need to do a warrant check before letting them inside. That could get old real quick, and mothers are always complaining their kids don't visit enough.
And that's something that will need to be proven in court. Do you think Conn had no knowledge he committed a crime? If not then you know where the responsibility sits.
I guess you could make the case that if this woman is the owner and was completely ignorant of her son's actions she should get some compensation. But it would require legislation to that effect. I think the courts are probably right that the takings clause is not applicable. Bit of a stretch to claim that apprehending murderer is a "public use". But the article is so dishonestly written I'm predisposed to scoff at the entire argument.
According to the facts con ceded by the City, this was a taking, as they had damaged the plaintiffs' property, and apprehending a murder suspect is definitely a public use. That is was justified is not relevant in a Takings claim, as the Taking Clause is strict liability. There should not be a police powers exception to the takings clause.
Some have pointed out that the suspect was the plaintiffs' son, and they let him have a standoff in their home. I am open to a defense that the property owners were complicit, while undecided as to whether a contributory negligence standard or an assumption of risk standard should apply.
I do not know if the plaintiffs would be entitled to compensation under state law. If that question is unsettled, I would, if I were a judge, vote to certify the question to Tennessee's highest court. Otherwise, i would reverse the district court, and remand. the lower court can hold an evidentiary hearing to determine the plaintiffs' own culpability.
Not my understanding of public use but I could be persuaded otherwise. Other than that I have no problem with your argument.
If the government destroys your house, they are obligated to pay to fix it. That is takings 101 man.
*sigh*
I thought for sure you were talking about this story, and that we'd have a productive discussion:
https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/dynamite-found-in-holladay-home
Literally, they blew the entire place to smithereens.
Instead we got this lame article about an alleged cop killer barricaded inside a potential abettor's home who ultimately had to be flushed out. Laaaame.
Now, obviously the Kryptonian's weren't chasing an alleged cop-killer, but I'm kinda reminded of the scene from Man of Steel. Zod flips the family pickup into the second story of the Kent house. After a fight, Clark shows back up to see Martha picking through the remains. She dusts off a couple photo albums, and despite palpable irritation, ultimately tells Clark, "It's just stuff."
The irritation is not unwarranted. What I truly love about it is the recognition that the "stuff" was destroyed for a reason beyond their control - but really not worth getting upset about. I'm glad we never had to endure a scene of her complaining to insurance adjusters about evil aliens wrecking her home.
All right, sophistry aside - ultimately, this is an insurance question. Not a legal question. Whose insurer is liable for the unforeseen catastrophic events that occurred? I think the home insurer is correct - especially if they had evidence to suggest that she knew her kid was on the lam and harboring him in the property.
Which, sorry not sorry - I'll bet they do.
Which means they'll punt it to the city's insurer to make a coverage determination. Who will do the exact same thing the home insurer did.
I'm not a psychic, but I'm willing to bet a handful of jack that what we're NOT being told about this story is that Mama Slaybaugh knew that the moment young(/adult) Jimmy came into her home he was on the run. Or he informed her, and she didn't call the cops. Or she called the cops, but then tried to intervene in his arrest.
All of which would negate policy claims for her property damage.
Again, I'm not a psychic, so I can't say for sure - but here's what I CAN say:
1) If someone you know is wanted by the police, DO NOT HARBOR THEM.
2) If someone you know is suspected of a crime by the police, COOPERATE WITH THE POLICE in facilitating their arrest.
(You might be thinking she did that with her, "offered to speak to Conn and bring him out of her house" - but, suspected killer. So... y'know, that's not going to happen because they can't put her in danger to try and resolve the situation.)
3) Your insurer will not cover damage to your stuff that you helped cause.
I guarantee insurance would be picking up the tab for any damages if there were a 911 recorded call that said, "My son just showed up at my house and he's wanted by the police for killing a cop."
But we don't have that call, do we. Which suggests complicity. Which suggests assumption of risk.
I’m not a psychic, but I’m willing to bet a handful of jack that what we’re NOT being told about this story is that Mama Slaybaugh knew that the moment young(/adult) Jimmy came into her home he was on the run. Or he informed her, and she didn’t call the cops. Or she called the cops, but then tried to intervene in his arrest.
All of which would negate policy claims for her property damage.
The lower court did not make such a determination, but instead ruled that the destruction of the property was not a taking due to it being a "police power".
Property owners whose property is damaged due to police action should ordinarily be entitled to just compensation. The costs of law enforcement is a cost that is properly socialized.
Perhaps there is an argument that just compensation is zero is the property owner were sufficiently complicit in the wrongdoing that gave the state justification to damage or destroy the property. That is something that would be determined in an evidentiary hearing, which the district court did not hold.
Well, see – here’s the thing.
Suppose you just committed an armed robbery. At gunpoint, you get into my car and force me to drive you from the scene. Along the way, the cops PIT me (which is a move they really shouldn’t be doing in the first place, but decide to anyway), and in doing so my car is damaged.
My personal auto insurance would probably pick that up, because I’m just a hapless bystander under duress who had nothing to do with anything. And if they didn’t, the city’s likely would.
Now, flip it to a situation in which you and I are driving around, we stop for snacks, and suddenly you come running to the car with a sackful of cash because while I was out pumping fuel, you were robbing the place. You’re screaming, “Go go go!” and I comply.
The cops catch up, PIT, auto claim. The auto AND city insurer might not consider that covered, due to my complicity. At this point, there IS no legal consideration – it’s all insurance decisions.
But, let’s say there IS legal consideration (ie. I file a bad faith complaint, or a complaint against the city or something). I don’t see how one avoids getting 12(b)(6)’d out of that if they had ANY part in facilitating the underlying crime (even if not charged for said crime) that resulted in the property damage.
Which, again, I suspect is the part of the story that Reason isn’t telling us. (They almost unilaterally omit criminal wrongdoing/complicity in their reporting on these kinds of subjects.)
Does your mother do a warrant check every time you visit?
No, but she has no reason to. I'm not a criminal delinquent that's hot on the local newsfeed for being a cop-killer.
I don’t see how one avoids getting 12(b)(6)’d out of that if they had ANY part in facilitating the underlying crime (even if not charged for said crime) that resulted in the property damage.
A 12(b) 6 motion assumes the truth of the opposing party's non-conclusory allegations.
Thus, any claim of complicity by the plaintiffs would be irrelevant in a 12(b) 6 motion against them.
Your "logic" wouldn't pass 4th grade. You PLAY psychic, but make a bad scam artist look good in comparison.
Hypothetically, I operate a junk removal business. I am hired to clear out 123 N Main St. My crew mistakenly clears out 123 S Main Ave.
By the logic the government uses to claim immunity, I should also have immunity.
Logic. ROFL.
I had that happen twice when I was doing bank forclosures for a few real estate agents in Colorado Springs when the real estate bubble was bursting in the late 90s and early 00s. Once it was a vacation home in the ass end of nowhere in the mountains. They gave the wrong address. I went back at the real estate agents expense to put it all back as it was. Another time the owner sold the house as a For Sale By Owner to a young couple but the bank didnt get their money so they still foreclosed on the property. I was in the process of rekeying when the couple drove up. That was some excitement I assure you. The old owner probably went to prison for fraud if he didn't make it out of the country with the cash.
I predict that the Federal Court and the Supreme Court will dodge a clear ruling against this travesty and will do nothing to prevent future such travesties. I also believe that, despite the common-sense position that the entire community shares the costs of law enforcement, that it is almost NEVER in the "best interests of the community" to destroy a building just because a suspect or possible witness is hiding inside. Police do not use any more logic in pretending to justify their Rambo wannabe thug instincts in this than they do in pretending there's some magic exception to the Just Compensation Clause. It's so because they say it's so and you have no say in it!
If the police want to play smash room with someone's house then they should pay up, the judge just changed a word here and is letting the police off the hook.
I doubt that CS Gas comes out of fabric easily. Everything having to go through the washing machine, including furniture, won't be cheep.
Constitutional is whutever you can get Palito, Long Dong, KKKavanaugh, Gorbasuch and Mutterkreuz Mom to say is consta2chanel.