'15 Days To Slow the Spread': On the Fourth Anniversary, a Reminder to Never Give Politicians That Power Again
In the name of safety, politicians did many things that diminished our lives—without making us safer.

Four years ago, government officials told us, "Stay home!" We have "15 days to slow the spread."
Days turned into months and then years, while officials chipped away at our freedoms.
I have long been wary of politicians, but even I was surprised at how authoritarian many were eager to be.
Some demanded police to go after people surfing. They took down the rims of basketball hoops. Children's playgrounds were taped up like crime scenes. They told people in rural Utah and Wyoming to stay in their homes.
In the name of safety, politicians did many things that diminished our lives, without making us safer.
They complied with teachers unions' demand to keep schools closed. Kids' learning has been set back by years.
Politicians destroyed jobs by closing businesses. Some shutdown orders were ridiculous. Landscaping businesses and private campgrounds were forced to shut down.
Both former President Donald Trump and President Joe Biden sharply increased government spending. Trump's $2.2 trillion "stimulus" package, followed by Biden's $1.9 trillion "American Rescue Plan," led to so much money printing that inflation doubled and then tripled.
This week, the fourth-year anniversary of "15 days to stop the spread," my new video looks back at politicians' incompetence.
First, government probably killed people with its endless red tape.
At least the Trump administration broke Food and Drug Administration (FDA) rules to speed vaccine approvals. But FDA rules kept perfectly good American COVID-19 test kits off the market because they hadn't gone through its multiyear approval process.
Michigan's Gov. Gretchen Whitmer banned "public and private gatherings of any size." Residents were told they could not see friends or relatives.
Many of her rules seemed random. She banned motorboats and jet skis, but allowed kayaks and canoes. She closed small businesses, but exempted big-box stores if they blocked off aisles offering plant nurseries and paint. Why?
Even the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) "six-foot rule" under Trump was arbitrary, says former FDA commissioner, Dr. Scott Gottlieb. COVID travels in aerosols that flow much farther than six feet.
When some Americans became fed up and protested, they were vilified for "threatening the public." Some were fined. A few were arrested.
It's clear now that restrictive rules were not the best way to protect people.
Sweden took a near opposite approach. They mostly left people alone.
Swedish officials encouraged the elderly and other at-risk people to stay home.
But beyond that, they let life carry on as normal. Sweden didn't impose lockdowns, school closures, or mask mandates.
They followed standard pre-COVID wisdom that the best protection is what epidemiologists call "herd" or "collective" immunity. Once a critical mass of people are infected and recover, collective immunity will reduce the total number of infections.
Arrogant American politicians and media "experts" sneered at Sweden's approach.
NBC "reported" on what it called, "Sweden's failed experiment. How their dangerous Covid gamble went wrong."
CBS confidently stated, "Sweden becomes an example of how not to handle COVID."
Time magazine headlined: "Swedish COVID-19 Response Is a Disaster."
But the media's experts were just wrong. Swedish health officials were right.
Yes, at the beginning of the pandemic, Sweden suffered high numbers of COVID deaths, but as predicted, over time, herd immunity protected people. Sweden's excess death rate was the lowest in Europe.
Sweden's economy got through the pandemic much healthier than other countries. Because Swedish schools never closed, Swedish students didn't suffer the learning losses that American kids did.
Four years later, have media blowhards who were wrong apologized? Corrected their stories? No.
Have American politicians apologized and begged forgiveness for their arrogance, for destroying jobs, restricting our freedom, and needlessly pushing us around? No.
Let's not give politicians power like that again.
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mediaReason blowhards who were wrong apologized? Corrected their stories? No.Bailey is off to get his nth booster, while wearing a mask of course.
More testing needed!
The COVID phantom menace has created millions of shrill, hypochondriac, germaphobic, democrat nutjobs.
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Also fair.
Fair.
Like the rest of the lemmings in the media, they pretend it never happened. Reason was a regime cheerleader throughout the covid disaster. GFY.
Let next year be the 1 year anniversary of when we hanged Fauci.
I would prefer to out him on permanent solitary in a SuperMax facility. With no visitors allowed. Until he dies.
That’s like a living a hell right there.
Anthill. Stakes. Honey.
a natural picnic - so organic
Isn’t slow enough.
Bolstered by the pajama class, government has that power. Trying to retrieve the power could only be deemed insurrection.
Reminder to Never Give Politicians That Power Again
I did not give them that power. They just did it, and no one has ever been held accountable. We should have tribunals.
The tribunals should include the media as accomplices.
Perhaps prosecutor Jack will charge them all with conspiracy against rights.
Ha.
Haha!
The MSM is entirely complicit, in that LIE (it’s not a hoax)
The media should be charged with thousands of counts of violating Federal elections laws. Then attach RICO. This will make it possible to have everyone at MSNBC, CNN, etc. die in prison.
RICOH isnt a crime!! its a printer maker.... SIR
-AOC
No one did.
People that claim Trump will be the end of democracy seem to miss that democracy is votes by your elected representatives. Not orders issued by the executive branch.
The mandates were very anti-democratic. Yet they were applauded by people that don't understand what democracy is.
The mandates were very anti-democratic. Yet they were applauded by people that don’t understand what democracy is.
Yep, to them "democracy" is just a buzzword to signal to like minded people that they're one of the goodthinkful people, unlike those flyover country deplorables.
To be free, they needed to imprison you.
100%
And, to sAVe dEmoCraCY they need to make sure you can't vote for the opposition candidate.
Well, I can be pretty scary, with my tendency to speak my mind, do what I want, and not always share my stuff.
Hey, I'm a deplorable too!
In Missouri, we passed a state law prohibiting emergency mandates by our local executives in response to some of the more egregious examples of overreach during the pandemic response.
Now, emergency declarations can't last longer than 2 weeks without being approved by a representative legislative body, and can't be renewed without approval by the same.
So we won't have our (D) county executive (MD) and his toadie health department director (Fauci-style liar, too) issuing endless crazy restrictions unilaterally anymore. At least they booted the health department director finally. Now he's in charge of Seattle's health.
We the people could have stopped it if most people simply refused to go along. That's kind of the worst part of all this in my mind. I really thought that by summer 2020 people would have been done with it and stop complying with the stupid rules. I guess I knew that a lot of people were frightened sheep, but I didn't believe it was this bad.
And now people don't want to hear about it anymore so many people will never realize how badly it all failed (regarding the stated intention). Makes me sick thinking about it.
They only feign being ‘tired of hearing’ about it as a defense to not have to answer for their actions.
Here in BK NOONE says that word - despite the same people who were SCREAMING that we would all die, now out happily enjoying their lives and no one says ‘gee maybe we could have done this all along’ bc then they would look like idiots to themselves so they never wanna talk about it.
I'm thinking of the normal people here, not they so called "leaders". There is no excuse for them.
And then had "The Science" group rough up anyone who opposed. See, we didn't do it was your concerned neighbors.
There never was any science - 6’ distancing? Made up. Masks? Flip-flopped. Paragons? Faucci outright LIED (Rand Paul you were ALWAYS correct and we knew it!). “Vaccine? Lied - never tested it.
There. Was. No. Science.
They wanted President Trump at ALL costs and nose-diving the economy took away President Trumps golden ticket “best economy in the HISTORY of the world”
Reason was a "follow the science" shill.
Hey, there was plenty of science--just the kind that represents doctrinal narratives issued by the priesthood of our state government.
Rope and lamp poles are indicated.
Seconded.
lets not forget the fact that all of these nutty restrictions actively created the covid denial movement. all those refusing vaccines, all those proud of the ways they were not taking any precautions..... they all got their reason to be that way when those in government decided they wanted to force people to do things. government officials who had no idea how science works yelling "SCIENCE" while implementing rules that made absolutely no sense whether you thought covid was a risk or not. closing down outdoor parks and going after surfers are good examples. they were blocking and exerting force on things that didn't have any even theoretical impact on the rate of spread. work from home when possible, canceling of large events like concerts and sporting events, getting delivery or takeout instead of sitting in a restaurant, people washing their hands...... everything that could actually make a difference was happening on it's own (voluntarily) until the government gave people a reason to tell them to go fuck themselves.
Let's not forget BLM riots were perfectly acceptable but not GOP rallies.
I have two first hand accounts that bread my personal skepticism:
1) Giving blood in summer 2020 - They asked about AIDS risk, nothing about C19. I even asked about it.
2) My dad died of a heart attack in 2021. His death certificate says C19.
2) My dad died of a heart attack in 2021. His death certificate says C19.
My next door neighbor at the time died from complications due to heart surgery. But, he tested positive for C-19 so guess what his death certificate said? COVID19.
Guess what cause of death his life insurance didn't cover? "Pandemic illness." His widow got nothing.
Thats a lawsuit.
Yep, luckily their daughter is a lawyer. Not sure what the outcome was though and I don't live there anymore but I know they were suing.
I hope she tore the insurance company AND the hospital a new one. Bonus points if she went after state government too.
Washing hands does little to stop an airborne virus.
the point was more that people were doing it without any need for force.
government officials who had no idea how science works yelling “SCIENCE” while implementing rules that made absolutely no sense
At the direction of the NIH, CDC, and WHO who are the pinnacle of scientific expertise in epidemiology. Who tried to cover up the origins of COVID. Who changed the definition of vaccine. Who recommended the COVID shot for kids.
You fucking Marxist fruitcakes don't get to pretend that the people making recommendations didn't know exactly what they were doing. They were testing their ability to manipulate of the population at every level.
They were testing their ability to manipulate of the population at every level.
Said it before and will say it again, I was severely disappointed in the number of my "friends" that cheered on these restrictions.
Same - I lost respect for a few people that I know based on how easily they simply rolled over and did what Daddy Guv told them to do without even questioning it.
"But my job is non-essential", they said.
"Why would someone pay anyone to do something that wasn't essential?", I asked.
i often get along with cynics, because the end results are the same...... but i personally find Occam's razor dictating that stupidity is the more likely answer over nefarious plotting about 99% of the time. it starts with health officials trying to act like politicians, which they had no fucking clue how to do..... and it ends with politicians trying to pretend the understand the science, when they have no fucking clue.
There is, in this case, a third factor: panic. Although at least some of the politicians had nefarious goals and some were simply ignorant, going along with the edicts, some politicians panicked at the first death stats and demanded that somebody DO something! The unanimous and universal planned policies for a long time in advance of the novel coronavirus appearance was to protect the most vulnerable and otherwise avoid draconian responses that would damage the social and economic fabric. Politicians dread being criticized for failing to take decisive action in an emergency and would rather be blamed for over-reacting than failing to act.
i don't often see any real differentiation between stupid and panic. I'm not going to play the stupid game of trying to imagine "some" actions as being nefarious..... stupidity was the clearly dominate factor..... even if you want to label that stupidity as "panic,"
Yup.
People who (justifiably) disagreed with the policies rationalized their disagreement by believing the virus and vaccine to be a hoax.
I would bet there's significant overlap between them and people who (again justifiably) disagree with climate change policies and rationalize their disagreement by believing climate change to be a hoax.
0h please do expand on your climate change is a hoax assertion i can’t wait to hear your science on this.
As for covid and vaccines. You were literally wrong on every step. Those you are asserting thought it was a hoax were the ones linking to actual science and pointing out the issues with the data, same with climate alarmist science.
You were wrong but you feel the need to continue justifying being wrong. The biggest sources of misinformation on covid came from Fauci and the government. You were still defending masks earlier this year for fucks sake. Guess what the CDC finally now says?
Yesterday.
Breaking: Emerging Evidence Suggests COVID-19 Originated in a Lab
Can't really call it the 'lab leak theory' any more.
I think I’ve figured out one of your tactics. You lie about something, and when someone points out your lies you accuse them of defending what you were lying about. For example one of your favorite lies about masks was that the people promoting them claimed that they stopped individual viruses in the air, when they were supposed to stop droplets of saliva containing the virus. When I pointed out your lie you lied and accused me of defending mask policies. Or when I pointed out how you disrespected millions who died in the Holocaust by calling Australian quarantines “concentration camps,” you lied and accused me of defending forced quarantines. You do that a lot about a lot of subjects. Mendacity is your only strong suit.
Yeah, no.
That doesn't even remotely make sense, and also everyone here can read Jesse's posts and most are sober enough to actually remember them.
His posts are a great example of how lies become Truth when repeated enough, and how people are willing to believe anything about someone if they hate them enough.
Like this morning when I posted your words in totality?
You uses the word projection earlier. This is you doing it. Lol.
He usually quotes you verbatim with a link. It's not his fault you can't keep track of your drunkposting.
When did this happen buddy? I'm sure you have evidence.
You, dear Sarcasmic, are a disingenuous fuckwit.
Here you are just 2 days ago, proving that, no matter how many times something is explained to you, you will continue to use malapropisms to accuse your critics of the fallacies in which you engage.
https://reason.com/2024/03/18/bloodbath/?comments=true#comment-10489052
For example one of your favorite lies about masks was that the people promoting them claimed that they stopped individual viruses in the air, when they were supposed to stop droplets of saliva containing the virus.
Cite? Of course you can't. Nobody ever said that. It is shit-all stupid.
Cloth masks won't filter saliva droplets. N-95 masks can potentially filter particles, but are practically useless if not fitted or become soiled. Masks become completely moot when considering that they don't cover the eyes where the lacrimal ducts will flush the virus direct to the sinuses. Hint: COVID binds to receptors in the sinuses. This is why some hospital personnel wearing fitted n-95 masks and face shields still got COVID.
You are making shit up like you always do figuring that others are as incapable as you at remembering facts from 4 years ago. You should espouse your bullshit at an AA meeting. Drunks have a much harder time processing memory.
Sarc, you’re completely full of shit. As usual. You’re descending to Chemjeff levels of dishonesty.
Well, yes, but to be fair he doesn't remember half of it.
https://www.healthline.com/health/alcoholic-dementia
True. His alcohol abuse has caused significant brain shrinkage, and likely a number of other physiological deficits that affect both memory and cognition. And let’s be honest. Like Biden, Sarc was probably always something of an idiot, even on his best day. Which was decades ago.
the climate change narrative is mostly a hoax. True believers, and confirmation biased scientists contribute. The goal is total power over every decision we make in our lives.
I don't think climate change is a hoax. The planet is warming at a faster rate than it would naturally.
I don't buy into the computer models that predict the end of the world. Those are definitely bull. And the policies that take advantage of the fear those models create are definitely meant to control our lives. I agree with you there.
But that doesn't make the root of it, a warming planet due to human activity, false.
The planet is warming at a faster rate than it would naturally.
Please provide the evidence.
What is ironic is the staa used to show the rapid warming that this unnatural is based on... models. The global temp itself is based on models that homogenous and adjust temperatures.
You do realize how ignorant on every fucking topic you are right?
All you have to do is read through some actual science to understand how many guesses go into an atmospheric model. Scientists will admit that heat exchange between the ocean and the atmosphere is a chaotic system and then proceed to tell you how they model to compensate for it. Their mental gymnastics really kick in if you ask them about heat radiation into space. It is a model relying on modeled data generated from another model.
Don't get me started on the absolute lunacy of inserting "precise" temperatures derived from fucking tree rings and ice cores.
If you believe that Bill Nye's 6th grade science experiments demonstrate anything other than C02 causes the temperature in a bottle to rise, you are an idiot.
Sarc OS in fact an idiot.
“Don’t get me started on the absolute lunacy of inserting “precise” temperatures derived from fucking tree rings and ice cores.”
Just as bad maybe, the actual data, no matter how accurate it looks, isn’t. Start with taking the high and low for a day, and average them. Which isn’t anywhere close to representative of the temperature over the 24 hours. They could at least tried piecewise integration. Oh - forgot. The older temps weren’t taken at a consistent time of day. They fake temps from closed sites (approx 1/3 of the readings in the US are fabricated by NOAA). Then they interpolate around the world from several hundred point sources, many now interpolated themselves. All to a tenth of a degree accuracy, when the underlying data was often not accurate even to a single degree. And, not surprisingly, in this field, don’t show much of the underlying algorithms or data.
The vaccine wasn’t a hoax, it just doesn’t work the way they were touting it and they literally changed the definition of vaccine to suit their purposes.
I've said this many times before, so I'll try to be as pithy as I can.
The way I understand it our immune system has two layers. One prevents us from getting sick, while the other attacks what makes us sick.
Traditional vaccines strengthen the former, while mRNA vaccines strengthen the latter.
I suppose they could have come up with a different word, but the new vaccines do strengthen the immune system so I think it's apt. Once people understand what they actually do.
Your understanding is wrong.
Both rely on the immune systems basic response retard. MRNA teaches the body to create antibodies against a specific sequence of the virus. Natural response can create multiple pathways of recognition, why it is more broad.
Again. Instead of telling is what you think you understand, read some literature instead.
How about A Clockwork Orange?. They hope the MRNA teaches the body to target COVID instead of Beethoven's 9th symphony.
...and that specific sequence definitely caused Original Antigenic Sin (imprinting is another term) which in turn leads to the vaxxed/boosted having higher infection rates directly proportional to the number of shots....more shots, more likely to get infected. That study was performed by Cleveland Clinic.
I can see where Sarc is coming from. Why else would anyone need a 6th shot against the two Wuhan variant spike proteins? And, indeed, that is what all those jabs did - gave you fairly continuous immunity against the Wuhan variant spike proteins (by the time much of the ModRNA had broken down, after maybe 60 days, you got your next jab). And it kinda worked for a couple months. Maybe even 6 months. The problem was that SARS-CoV-2 is a reverse RNA respiratory virus, similar to those that cause the common flu. That means that it has a simple mechanism to enter cells, and thus tolerates a lot of mutations. And, as we should have expected, mutate it did. By the time of the Delta variant, the antibodies generated by the vaccines had low cross reactivity with the virus, and it went to negligible with Omicron six months later. The strategy worked decently well with Wuhan and similar early variants, but quickly became ineffective, as the Wuhan spike protein antibodies failed to match the spike proteins of later variants. The good news though was that the Wuhan spike proteins uniquely and optimally attached to human ACE2 receptors (one big reason it is highly likely that that feature was developed in a lab, and not naturally). Mutating those spike proteins to evade the Wuhan variant spike protein antibodies essentially meant that these later variants were not as deadly. So, we got the traditional respiratory virus trajectory of more infectious and less deadly as the virus progressed and mutated.
If Sarc’s strategy had worked, there still would have been problems with it, because keeping up those Wuhan variant spike protein antibodies, for maybe 60 days (thanks to the substitution of N1 Methylpseudouridine for Uridine) per jab is expensive, in terms of immune system resources. Very expensive. An immune system assay before the first jab, between jabs, and after the second jab, early on, showed that the entire immune system system essentially collapsed after the second jab, indicating that all of its resources were being directed to fighting those Wuhan spike proteins produced by the vaccines. This is very likely why opportunistic long dormant viruses like Herpes Zooster (Shingles) and cancers erupted in the multiply vaxed.
Meanwhile, as others responding to Sarc have pointed out, the massive over response to the Wuhan spike proteins from the ModRNA vaccines essentially prevented the forming of natural immunity to the virus, through what is sometimes termed Original Antigenic Sin, which essentially means that the immune system failed to imprint the newer spike proteins and the rest of the virus, into its memory. Which explains why those who keep catching the virus (like Dr Fauci, who has caught it at least 5 times) very strongly tend to be the most heavily vaxed.
No one said it was a hoax you moron. People said that it didn’t present the danger danger purported by your democrat masters, and that the precautions and protocols were useless, authoritarian bullshit.
And guess who ended up being right?
Sarc – as a scientist who believes firmly in the scientific method, I have developed what I consider to be a healthy level of skepticism concerning scientific reports. For example, I go immediately to “SkepCon4” whenever a new item starts with “Scientists say …” There is a very long list – which is growing longer almost every day – of reasons to doubt “The Science (TM)” when even scientists have difficulty detecting fraud in peer-reviewed research reports in the over three thousand scientific and pseudo-scientific “journals” currently cranking out “content.” To name just a few: reports generated partially or completely by artificial intelligence with no actual experimental data; official consensus reports that draw conclusions not justified by the evidence cited; scientific reports rejected by the government agencies that commissioned and funded them because the conclusions did not support the narrative of the government agency; conflict of interest between scientists and government funding; and the growing number of reports withdrawn after the fact by the less dishonest scientific journals when peer review clearly failed to detect fraud or sloppy study design.
I fully support the use of vaccines to mitigate the bad outcomes of contagious diseases while fully realizing the potential for bad outcomes from the immunizations themselves. I do not support the official mandates that REQUIRE immunizations to avoid punishment by government. I fully recognize that climate change is happening while continuing to question the “anthropogenic” narrative as unproven by the questionable methodology of linear modeling in a clearly non-linear natural system. I therefore reject the imposition of draconian restrictions on the burning of fossil fuels which are unlikely to prevent any of the downside effects of global warming while almost certainly causing disastrous economic effects on the poorest and most vulnerable populations.
Of course, if you insist on raising straw men to try to make people with whom you disagree look foolish, I doubt that there’s anything I can say that would stop you.
"I fully recognize that climate change is happening while continuing to question the “anthropogenic” narrative as unproven by the questionable methodology of linear modeling in a clearly non-linear natural system."
this statement has me needing to throw the BS flag on you. that is because it tells me you have NEVER actually looked at the basis of the models or how they work. the dumbed down versions of things you get in media reports might seem linear, but the actual math and modeling includes the positive feedback and therefore nonlinear aspects of the system. figuring that out is why we didn't have a good basis for modeling until the 60's despite knowing for hundreds of years that the CO2 in the atmosphere had an impact on the greenhouse effect.
it is just a damned odd thing for someone to say after claiming to be a scientist.... you are a scientist making assumptions about models you have never bothered to look at? the math can be heavy, and i could understand a non-scientist having a hard time with it...... but if you are actually a scientist, the only rational explanation for your claim is that you have never looked at the science behind the models.
you either have never looked at the underlying science, are not actually a scientist, or both.
Or don’t work. Amazingly, the climate models continue to do a horrible job of forecasting and hind casting. Not surprisingly, they all invariably run hot forecasting - unsurprising, since that is what they were paid to produce.
amazingly.... everything you just said is a lie. every model that has been wrong has included something to the effect of "if x happens or y does not happen," followed by x not happening or y happening.
the climate activists then use those models because they are more scary than reality, and you guys use them because they didn't happen...... and nobody ever bothers to look at the model completely to notice that the conditions they were modeling for were prevented. (the most common source is a report for congress in the 70's of where we would be if they didn't improve efficiency standards...... guess what congress did later that year.....)
I think a lot of what you characterize as "denial" is also pretty rational. For most young healthy people, there was never much reason to avoid gatherings or carrying on a normal life. Especially in the summer. If more people with low risk had been exposed in summer 2020, I suspect things would have been better in the following winter. The only thing that really would have made a difference in the long run was protecting the elderly and infirm. Which we generally did a terrible job of.
If more people with low risk had been exposed in summer 2020, I suspect things would have been better in the following winter.
Which is exactly what happened in Sweden.
The only thing that really would have made a difference in the long run was protecting the elderly and infirm. Which we generally did a terrible job of.
You mean deliberately sending elderly COVID patients back to their nursing homes wasn't a good idea? Whodathunkit!
Not "Dummer than a Box of Rocks" Cuomo.
even for the lower risk, there was still some argument for limiting spread. specifically limiting risk of overloading hospitals with those who had bad reactions. but they never tried to communicate this, or have the honest discussion that the limiting did not have to be as hardcore for the young. (maybe don't go to the club EVERY weekend) they just jumped straight into overbearing shit that didn't even make a difference most of the time.
Yeah, sure. And advising people against lots of big gatherings during the seasonal spikes in illness was likely a good idea. But pretending that the virus wasn't highly seasonal and that everyone needed the same precautions was stupid and likely made things worse. And forcing all of it on people, as you note, made the reactions much stronger. I'll admit that drove a lot of how I reacted to it. Everything comes down to a cost/benefit and for me the cost of the loss of many basic rights and the growth in government powers was far more of a concern than the risk of getting sick.
" But pretending that the virus wasn’t highly seasonal and that everyone needed the same precautions was stupid and likely made things worse."
without a doubt, this made things worse.
Seasonality was also disputed by The Science, when they knew it was true. Also those seasonal waves were self limiting.
Not really. Most didn’t need to go to the hospital at all, and with kids, most seemed to get it, no one knew, until much later, when they were tested. The hospitals never did fill up, and instead suffered significantly, as they froze “elective” procedures in anticipation of the deluge that never happened. My understanding was that the worry was for running out of ventilators. But then, it was quickly realized that ventilators killed more than they saved. And, of course, they knew this (summer of 2020) well before the vaccine rollout (Spring of 2021).
"Most didn’t need to go to the hospital at all....."
this is something a lot of people had a hard time grasping. the risk to any given individual was, indeed, small. but 0.1% represents a pretty big number when you start talking about daily cases approaching a million.
"The hospitals never did fill up...."
the main reason for this is the fact that we don't have socialized medicine. the US has much more excess capacity than any single payer system because we don't have that pressure to reduce capacity to the minimum average capacity needed. the calls by some to expand socialized medicine was the greatest irony of the pandemic, because that would have made things much worse.
that said, it is a bold faced lie to say hospitals did not fill up. quite a few did, and patients were being sent over an hour away to other hospitals because of it. many hospitals were driven well beyond capacity, just not by enough to completely collapse the whole system...... but we got closer than many of you want to admit.
".....and instead suffered significantly, as they froze “elective” procedures in anticipation of the deluge that never happened."
the impact on elective procedures is defiantly one of the biggest impacts of the pandemic. the irony of you recognizing this, is that the lower the rate of spread..... the lower the pressure would have been on hospitals to do so...... this was actually a good reason to try and slow the spread, not to do nothing. if the spread had been held lower, the hospitals could have gotten back to those procedures faster.
"But then, it was quickly realized that ventilators killed more than they saved."
i have started to see this talking point pop up, and i gotta say..... i don't get why you guys are trying to latch on to it..... first of all, it is a lie. the ventilators don't kill you, the odds of recovering are just very low once you get bad enough to need one. this argument is a bit like trying to claim paramedics kill people because some people die after the paramedics start trying to save them. second..... isn't this actually a good argument to try and avoid getting in that situation? especially in the beginning when other treatments were still being figured out (and the needed medications being manufactured)?
Sure - the hospitals filled up, but for how long? The country’s two hospital ships were setup, staffed, and sent to help, and never used. As was at least one temp hospital. Not a single patient to any of them. Good friend’s daughter, a fairly freshly minted RN, spent six months working in a space suit. And then her COVID-19 unit was disbanded as not needed. Turns out that she was in a demographic facing maybe 5/100k chance of death from the virus (at that time, it was probably (over) estimated at 10/100k). And less dangerous than some of her hobbies. By maybe June, 2000, the authorities should have known that hospital capacity was not going to be a problem, with not that high a percentage of the infected population needing hospitalization, but as with a runaway train, it took much longer for many hospitals to start allowing life saving elective surgery again.
“ ….. first of all, it is a lie. the ventilators don’t kill you, the odds of recovering are just very low once you get bad enough to need one. this argument is a bit like trying to claim paramedics kill people because some people die after the paramedics start trying to save them. second….. isn’t this actually a good argument to try and avoid getting in that situation? especially in the beginning when other treatments were still being figured out (and the needed medications being manufactured)?”
Love how the new argument technique here (at least used by some of the regulars against me) is that what I say is a lie.
But, yes. I have a good friend who spent his career as an ER Doc at a L1 Trauma Center in a big municipal hospital. He got sued for malpractice several times a year, because that was where a lot of people died. Many of his patients. Never lost a case though. So, I understand your point.
You are correct that we didn’t know how to fight the virus early on, and after we figured it out, the fatality rate (CFR) dropped by more than half in this country. One of the things that they figured out was that ventilators did kill, and should be a last resort, instead of used earlier. Most patients never needed them, even if they did end up in the hospital. Instead of a shortage of them, we ended up with a huge pile of unused ventilators, and, as I said, a much reduced CFR (not all, of course, from not using them). To some extent, the expected high usage of ventilators (and the early much higher CFR) helped drive the expectation that our hospitals would end up filled with vented COVID-19 patients, and elective surgeries were greatly limited, severely impacting the financial condition of many hospitals around the country.
"Sure – the hospitals filled up, but for how long? "
so.... you admit that your original statement was complete BS, that you know is false. i know you are trying to play some kind of stupid game with your "how long," but you have fundamentally admitted that your original assertion was complete BS..... and you are trying to shift the goalposts.
"Love how the new argument technique here (at least used by some of the regulars against me) is that what I say is a lie. "
i speak only for myself, and care nothing for "technique." what you said was a lie..... sorry if you don't have a better deference than this lame "they are all against me" BS.
"He got sued for malpractice several times a year, because that was where a lot of people died. Many of his patients. Never lost a case though. So, I understand your point. "
very odd to claim you are the victim of some "strategy" and then admit that your argument is fundamentally flawed..... that people dying is not the same as something trying to save those people killing them. (which was your claim.... that the ventilators killed people.... like those people suing your friend who didn't actually kill them.....)
Huh? Ad hominem attacks all the way down. All I understood about your rebuttal is that I somehow admitted that I had lied. And as most here understand (it’s run by a law prof), lying requires scienter, and not just falseness.
Maybe you need to break it down into small pieces for those, apparently like me, who can’t keep up.
"Huh? Ad hominem attacks all the way down. All I understood about your rebuttal......"
so..... start with a false claim about what i wrote, and then admit you were unable (unwilling) to understand it.
"......is that I somehow admitted that I had lied. "
you started with a claim that the hospitals never were overloaded. when it was pointed out that was false, you sought to move the goalposts to "how long." sorry if that is too complicated for you. you were trying to hold on to an argument you already knew was false...... no matter what your delusions are on meeting the "legal" definition of a lie..... that is still a lie. that is giving every indication that you knew the hospitals not getting overloaded was a lie when you first said it. (if you really didn't know it was a lie, you would have been too surprised by that information to have the goalpost move so ready to go.)
She was wearing the skirt. Her fault for being raped vibes from you.
Government locked down quickly. They shut down protests to re open.
you get that vibe because i think the gross government overreach is a big part of what caused the fanatic covid denial-ism?
you do know that your analogy makes you the rapist, right?
It is the fact you said government over reach went further because people pushed back. Hence the short skirt.
Sounds a lot like CJ Typical Collectivist. If people just did what we think they should then we wouldn't need the government to force them.
sounds like a typical dumb partisan hack who has to pretend i said the exact opposite of what i said. if the government had not decided to initiate force, more people would have stuck with the voluntary precautions they had already been doing.
Sounds like a typical pile of shit making noises. Fuck off and die, asshole.
SQUAWK!!!!
Fuck off and die, asshole.
fuck off and die.... fuck off and die.... SEVO want a cracker...
SQUAWK!!!!
not at all what i said, dip-shit. pretty much the exact opposite of what i said. the push back was greater because of the government overreach. the government overreach is the short skirt. the rapist is you.
I'm sure, in your imbecility, you thought there was a point in that word salad.
There isn't.
more than one sentence is too much for you to handle?
Let's not forget that Foo_DD is more than willing to find strawmen to justify government over-reach.
you are still the stupidest troll around.
Hell, I'm not anywhere close to as stupid as you, let alone 4 or five others I could name.
you are too stupid to understand that i was explicitly saying that the government overreach was wrong.
fact is that you are too stupid to know how stupid you are.
How could he leave Cuomo out of the line of headshots? He issued an emergency order that demanded that sick residents be returned to retirement homes while demanding millions lockdown to save his grandmother. Then he went on his brother's TV show and bragged about how he, personally, was saving lives.
And how many people killed by ventilators?
How many people were effectively murdered by democrat governors?
Hint: at least five figures worth
ZEB: "Hey, look over there!"
What the fuck is your problem, you cranky old weirdo? I'm adding, not deflecting. NY was also big on the ventilators. It's more shit that Cuomo bears responsibility for.
Same with Biden's Surgeon General, who did the exact same thing in PA --- but only AFTER getting his parents out of their nursing home first.
The Butcher of Albany.
And yet, not one legislature at any level has introduced legislation to restrict, or even limit the duration, 'emergency' declarations by executives, or worse, bureaucrats.
Not even in Florida.
Once enacted, legislation is sacred and inviolable, especially among conservatives. As my friend said a full decade before COVID: Democrats move the goalposts, and Republicans defend them no matter how far they have moved.
Depends on the legislation. COVID legislation not so much. Immigration legislation however was carved into stone and brought down from the top of a mountain.
Just posted 2 articles for you to ignore so you can continue defending democrat actions with boaf sides.
He loves open borders just like he loves his democrat masters. Although he obviously loves liquor even more.
TDS-addled shit-piles will drag a strawman all the way from home in an attempt to justify their TDS.
G.K. Chesterton couldn't have put it better.
Not true. The left even complains about it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/gop-legislatures-health-laws/2021/07/25/2455940c-db54-11eb-8fb8-aea56b785b00_story.html
And legislators stripping the power.
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2021/01/22/lawmakers-move-to-strip-governors-emergency-powers
Don't anyone dare touch immigration law. That's sacred.
You mean ‘don’t dare anyone enforce immigration law, illegals are sacred’.
People who question the current system are attacked, which tells me that the attackers consider the law as it is to be sacred and not to be changed.
What the fuck are you talking about?
I question the current system. I’m also against open borders because it’s destroying our country. YOU are FOR open borders, and constantly lie to try and justify your agenda, Drunky.
I’m for legal Immigration. I’m dead set against illegals, and anyone who enables them should be punished severely.
What a retarded non sequitur devoid of any intelligence or information.
NH has at least had several such bills introduced.
Government never lets a crisis go to waste, but the idea that there never was crisis is balderdash. It's just that government's response to it was horrible. But don't forget who as in the White House at the time (it wasn't Biden). While he did the right thing with Operation Warpspeed and getting a vaccine out the door, he also essentially followed the establishment lockdown mindthink. As the bully pulpit he could have done something. But he rushed into panic just like everyone who was in charge, or who wanted to be in charge. It was the Age of Karen.
And you loved it.
Now imagine what would have happened if Hillary had been in charge.
What I wonder is what have happened had Mike Pence been in charge. You might remember at one time Trump was going to make Pence the lead, but Trump was not going to give up the podium. I think that Mike Pence with a governor's experience could have done well.
By not stopping the states from doing their own thing?
When the states' "thing" is violating human rights, the federal government should stop them.
And deal with Democrats and the media (but I repeat myself) condemning him as a dictator?
Citizens have to press the issue. It should not be the job of the President to do it. We should not want the President to keep a heavy hand on all of the states.
This ^^
Waaaayyyy too many Americans have simply surrendered their autonomy in favor of decisions from outside influences. Be it government or their favored idiot on television, they don't think or act as individuals anymore.
^ And, way too many American congress people have also.
Then we need a tough non democrat to get rid of the democrats who are doing that.
Watching liberaltarians defend themselves from a lack of principles even 3 years later is amazing.
Funny you complain about Trump despite you being one of the ones complaining he left decisions up to the states.
Brandyshit is attempting to justify his juvenile inability to focus on policy and results, no matter what, the steaming pile of shit.
'I have long been wary of politicians, but even I was surprised at how authoritarian many were eager to be.'
I was not very surprised by authoritarian politicians. I was surprised, and very disappointed, by how many citizens fell into line and begged for more.
This. Really wrecked a lot of my faith in humanity. What the fuck is wrong with people?
What the fuck is wrong with people?
Fear.
Many people believed the propaganda and did what they were told out of fear.
Humans are tribal animals that are inclined to do what the rest of the tribe does out of fear of being cast out.
Fear of arrest.
I have no problem mocking you when you say something dumb. So, should do the same when you knock one out of the park.
This was as spot on an explanation as to why people globally went along with this nonsense.
Fear made them feel strong to attack people, unfortunately it also lowered my tolerance for compassion for the lifestyle choice unhealthy going forward.
Who attacked who?
The fat scaredy cats that wanted protection denied rightfully unafraid healthy people the ability to live freely.
Maybe that's what three decades of academic "research" in victim studies, and the resulting propaganda does to people (at least the ones exposed).
I still enjoy the idea that liberal kids have higher mental illness rates than conservative kids.
Agreed - all my Lefty friends in Brooklyn were happy to shame / yell at / mock everyone who bothered to question the narrative. They still arrogantly pat themselves on the back ‘they did the right thing’
Sickos
Leftist NY’ers are some of the worst filth on the planet.
The ones who are still alive.
I am a bit over sensitive there, having lost at least three friends over a short period, a year and a half ago, and the vaccines appear to have some culpability there.
The way I view the people in my community and our society in general was forever changed by watching their zealous embrace of COVID fascism. I knew there were many thoughtless sheeple, but I had no idea that 85-95% of Americans were authoritarians just below the surface. My personal and community relationships will never recover.
Same - it really showed you the “NPC/SHEEPLE side Conservatives have claimed really are terrifyingly willing to become immediately authoritarian jackboots!
What surprised me was how many MDs fell into the sheeple category. Some very bright, and one, a triple doc (MD, JD, PhD) one of the brightest. You would get into a conversation with them, and for the most part, it would stall when you would ask them the purpose of the 3rd jab. They were taught in med school that vaccines imprinted the immune system memory with the knowledge that the virus (etc) was an antigen. Most immune systems accomplished that with the first jab in the case of the COVID-19 vaccines.
The answer, of course, is that the mRNA shots are not vaccines. That's what they weren't allowed to say.
Well but they are now. Both the CDC and WikiPedia changed their definition of “vaccines” in roughly January, 2021, to accommodate the new paradigm.
Might need to thin out the collaborators soon.
+1
Apologizing and begging for forgiveness would require the assholes to admit they were wrong, something politicians are incapable of doing.
And if they did apologize and beg forgiveness, their apology should be accepted in much the same way Darth Vader accepted Captain Needa's apology.
Sorry, but Stossel is preaching to the choir here. We did not “give” politicians power like that. No one did. They appropriated that power gradually over time, using every available “emergency” as it came up as an excuse. We cannot “give” them the power “again” because they already have it and will not ask for permission from anyone the next time or the time after that; and our fellow Americans will cower in their safe spaces every time. The politicians know that, and they know that they will be able to pick off the few protestors at their leisure the next time as well.
"We did not “give” politicians power like that. No one did. They appropriated that power gradually over time, using every available “emergency” as it came up as an excuse. "
I disagree. American politicians sloughed off the covid response to private consultancy firms. In Sweden, covid policy was formulated in their Ministry of Health, and a smaller unit devoted to pandemics. Vietnam, recognized as one of the more successful nations dealing with covid, was also reliant on their health ministry.
Cool story bro. Got any other bullshit stories you want to spin?
Hey, he's good at it:
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
He needs to think that. Nonsense and outright lies is all he’s got.
Our "health officials" came up with bullshit ideas like "Social distancing" (which was based on literally nothing)
Quarantine and vaccine have traditionally been our responses to epidemics. Leper colonies go back to biblical times. The idea is that disease spreads from person to person and a physical distance will help to prevent the spread. It's been supplemented recently by remote work and contact tracing, computerized identification of people who've recently been in proximity to those afflicted.
In Sweden the older and infirm were encouraged to stay at home while in Vietnam more aggressive measures were taken. But all falling into either isolating, distancing or vaccinating.
trueman:
'Hey, look over there!'
Eat shit and die, asshole.
"Quarantine and vaccine have traditionally been our responses to epidemics. Leper colonies go back to biblical times. The idea is that disease spreads from person to person and a physical distance will help to prevent the spread. It’s been supplemented recently by remote work and contact tracing, computerized identification of people who’ve recently been in proximity to those afflicted."
"Stay six feet apart" --- which the government took VERY seriously --- was based on literally nothing. Just pulled out of Fauci's ass.
Ditto "The vaccine will prevent you from transmitting COVID". Vaccines HISTORICALLY did that --- COVID vaccine very much did not do so.
"You need to fervently clean all surfaces constantly" --- in spite of approximately zero cases of COVID transmitted in such a manner. Could it happen? Sure. But it did not. Ever. Not even at the start.
People had to die ALONE because the government fucked shit up with terrible advice. Weddings were fucked for the same reason. The government shut down fucking gyms --- where being fit was one of the core means of not having COVID issues --- but kept large corporate stores open.
If the government was trying to ruin lives, they would not have had to change their policies at all.
"“Stay six feet apart” — which the government took VERY seriously — was based on literally nothing. Just pulled out of Fauci’s ass."
Feet are the standard measure for distance in the US. In other parts of the planet where Fauci was not involved, 2 meters was the social distance measure. While 6 feet is slightly shorter than 2 meters, it is pretty close. I believe the 6 feet measure used in the US is based on the international 2 meter measure rather than arbitrarily pulled from Fauci's ass.
"Vaccines HISTORICALLY did that — COVID vaccine very much did not do so."
All the more reason to stress quarantines, contact tracing and other measures.
"But it did not. Ever. Not even at the start."
That's a good thing.
"People had to die ALONE because the government fucked shit up with terrible advice. Weddings were fucked for the same reason. "
At least when the next pandemic hits, you won't be taken by surprise and expect some inconvenience in your life, fucked weddings might be the least of your worries.
No, Sox feet Wa s just something Fauci made up. This is documented. You argue nonsensically. As usual.
Now fuck off, m’kay?
Liquor and cannabis stores got exemptions, but not gyms.
Democrats sure are the smart ones.
Or churches. Because Deplorables.
This article is like some kind of sick joke.
Sweden COVID deaths per 100,000 people SECOND HIGHEST AMONG DEVELOPED COUNTRIES overall and highest among those under 80!
They had more dead than everywhere in Western Europe except Spain and France. Both of which have more than 10X the population!
I can't put into words how disappointed I am to read these outright lies here on Reason. Keep the propaganda on Fox News or Newsmax or wherever conservatives have found to spread their nonsense these days.
I come to Reason for analysis and opinions grounded in FACT. Not ideology backed up by nothing but ignorance.
The only apology called justified is one from Reason to its readers for wasting their time with a bunch of untruths
It is you who is lying! Sweden was in the lower third of the list of European countries by death rate from COVID-19 per 100,000
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/
Please retract your outrageous assertion and then STFU!
Comments like this fuckwit’s make me glad we have a way to make the retardation go away.
*Clicks “Mute User” on Dipshit_Daddy’s comment*
Edit: Ah, that's better. Bye bye, grey box! You won't be missed.
I think it's worth rebutting things like this, though. Especially when it's a driveby comment and not one of the regulars.
True, but MWAocdoc already rebutted their stupidity. So I decided to go with mockery and scorn.
That commenter should be directed towards self harm.
your talking point was out of date about 6 months in.
It is amazing that there are still people who haven't updated their risk assessment or basic facts since spring of 2020.
When I encounter them I try and make them cry. I get bonus points if it’s a man.
A swift kick to the nuts does a good job.
It’s even better when you can make another man cry strictly through words. Especially in front of other people, especially a girlfriend or wife. It makes their humiliation complete.
They had more dead than everywhere in Western Europe except Spain and France. Both of which have more than 10X the population!
So what?
You’re a lying propagandist shill. And you’re in the wrong place for that.
You're 100% the biggest idiot.
Eat a bullet.
"...I come to Reason for analysis and opinions grounded in FACT. Not ideology backed up by nothing but ignorance..."
You come here to spread lefty talking points, lying pile of shit.
Probably some fifty center from Media Matters, or the equivalent.
Fuck off, you lying bag of shit:
‘Laissez-Faire’ Sweden Had the Lowest Mortality in Europe From 2020–2022, New Analysis Shows
NEVER FORGET IT WAS DEMOCRATS WHO DID ALL THESE THINGS AND DEMOCRATS WHO TRIED SILENCING DISSENT!
Never, ever forget who stole away freedoms in the pursuit of the ‘safety’ lie.
Never forget the Democrats trashed the economy and lied about COVID to harm President Trump - a taste of their bald-faced Lawfare and ballot removal to come.
There shouldn’t be a democrat party. Not anymore.
Stossel presumes that Americans “gave” leaders the power to curtail freedoms in an effort to protect them. Please. We didn’t give them anything. Politicians TOOK it. They seized that power and robbed us of our agency. And they will do it again.
By not standing up and saying "no", the power was given up.
People who disobeyed were punished. Lost jobs, businesses taken to court, denied entry, etc.
Others turned in their offending neighbors, Stasi-style.
I remember when the 'anonymous' snitch line for our county was found to run afoul of Sunshine / Open Records laws, and needed to be released publicly by court order. The Great Karen Freakout! of 2020.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/coronavirus-missouri-lockdown-breakers-details-online-st-louis-county-a9497271.html
There is little to suggest that Sweden did any better than similar countries. Sweden also had several advantages including universal health care, a good social safety net if you job was affected, and a population that generally followed recommendations from health professionals.
Countries that seemed to do the best had robust programs to test their population and isolate infected individuals quickly.
There is no doubt the US over did lockdowns, school closures, and government spending. There were a multitude of ideas to work with to improve the situation, but the country also had an administration too inept to address the situation.
There's plenty of evidence that they did better than their neighboring lockdown countries across several metrics, and nothing to suggest they did any worse.
Scandinavian countries which also had similar-sized populations and universal health care but decided to go the lockdown route instead of taking Sweden's approach did massive damage to their economies and their people, while only (barely) delaying the inevitable.
The 'cure' was worse than the disease, in this case.
I really don't think there is the evidence you think there is to show that Sweden did any better than surrounding Scandinavian countries. My reading of papers suggests that differences are small across the parameters one might look at to judge the success in Covid19 response. It is also worth noting that Sweden had a higher death rate among the more susceptible population (older) and that it did tighten down after an initially being more open. The problem for the Sweden as well as the US is that health care systems become saturated with patients.
If you look narrowly at just health outcomes, they didn't do any better. Or any worse. Broadly speaking.
If you look at other metrics, like the fact that they were not as much disrupted, didn't face a large public backlash, didn't shutter their schools, didn't close their economies, and don't have a giant political divide between the people who bent over and took the government mandates up the ass and those who resisted, Sweden comes out way ahead.
"and don’t have a giant political divide between the people who bent over and took the government mandates up the ass and those who resisted"
I think that's the key to it rather than whether or not a country adopted any particular policy measures. The most important factor was whether or not the population was all on the same page and ready to cooperate and or sacrifice to deal with the pandemic. The US which placed among the planet's worst responders to the pandemic, had a divided populace and a patch work or confusing and contradictory policies. It was a recipe for disaster.
Why saturated? The vaccines were safe and effective!
"The ‘cure’ was worse than the disease, in this case."
That's a good thing. The black death killed about a third of the population of Europe, and the only cure was to decamp for the countryside until it blew over.
Vietnam had some very draconian lockdown policies and yet were more successful at limiting excess deaths than Sweden, US or neighbors such as Taiwan or South Korea.
trueman, spouting nonsense and lies 24/7/365.
Factor in the admitted massive overstatement of US deaths from COVID due to financial incentives for hospitals to do so?
If US hospitals were announcing fraudulent figures, that's just one more indication of America's broken response to covid. As far as I'm aware, nobody is making the same accusations against the hospitals of Sweden, Vietnam, Taiwan or Korea, all places that suffered significantly less mortality. All places where the respective ministries of health led the fight against covid as opposed to the US where Trump and other politicians sloughed off the responsibility on to greedy and incompetent private consultancy firms. And for all the whining about the government response, large numbers of Americans are willing to vote for Trump or Biden again. You get the government you deserve.
So to you, a cute with a 50% fatality rate would have been better than the Black Plague, which had a 33% fatality rate?
Yes, that sounds like something you think. No wonder you’re a democrat.
The Black Death was a plague that struck in the middle ages. It was extremely lethal. Those with the means fled to the countryside hoping the isolation would save them from the disease. The countries with the most successful records at limiting covid, Vietnam, Korea and Taiwan, also implemented regimes of quarantine and isolation. Meanwhile in the US the pandemic was seen by corrupt politicians like Trump and Biden as a way to funnel public money to their cronies. It's a shameful record and apparently Americans learned nothing from the experience, choosing these crooks to lead them once again.
The relevant thing is that they didn't do worse without a massive assault on people's most fundamental rights.
There is little to suggest that Sweden did any better than similar countries.
Posted earlier, but worth repeating:
‘Laissez-Faire’ Sweden Had the Lowest Mortality in Europe From 2020–2022, New Analysis Shows
Now fuck off.
I will counter with;
A comparison of COVID-19 epidemiological indicators in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Finland
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1403494820980264
That time period was cherry picked. Fact is that when you look at area under the age adjusted mortality curve Sweden had the best results from 2020 - 2024.
Overall mortality is a much better metric for how well a place did. Restrictive policies had enormous negative effects and you need to account for that.
That was originally published on January 7 2021.
You are trying to argue against updated information by using old information. That's kinda funny.
Sweden. The land of the free.
USA. The land of tyrannical dictation.
My, my how the mighty have fallen. Now the USA is going bankrupt. It's currency is loosing purchasing power. It cannot even compete with China productive wise.
No. The two are not just a coincidence. They're literally a repeating track history of the [Na]tional So[zi]alist ideology.
If only Americans would rise up and cull the democrat scourge.
You first. Let us know how it's going.