Politicians Say They Want To Fight Climate Change. So Why Are They Fighting China on Electric Vehicles?
Rather than posing a national security threat, the growth of China's E.V. industry is an opportunity for global innovation.

Much of the banter surrounding the rise of China's electric vehicle (E.V.) industry and the implication for the global economy is misleadingly alarmist. When our government gets involved in such narratives, it calls into question the sincerity of its insistence that E.V.s are essential to an existential battle against climate change. If China's foray succeeds, the world gets cleaner cars and non-Chinese automakers are obliged to improve their own products.
A common concern among government officials is that while China faces strong headwinds, the country still might have what it takes to firm up its position and maintain dominance as an E.V. producer and exporter. Such worries aren't confined to U.S. officials. Governments around the world are melding to cut China out of the E.V. market.
I find it bizarre. We are constantly reminded of the importance of investing in green technology as the world faces a pressing need to reduce carbon emissions and combat climate change. By dispensing gargantuan subsidies to support both U.S. electric car production and purchases, the Biden administration clearly wants American voters to believe that it's taking climate change seriously and that more E.V.s are part of the answer.
We should rejoice in China's increased focus on electric cars, which reflects the global shift toward cleaner and more sustainable transportation. Better yet, Chinese E.V. manufacturers seem to have moved beyond merely imitating American and European automakers. Chinese automakers are now producing vehicles that can compete with top-tier Western competitors in large part because their cars are so much cheaper.
Of course, there are questions about whether China will be able to maintain its dominance in E.V. production. For one thing, its heavy-handed approach, known as industrial policy, has never improved the overall economy of any country. A myriad of subsidies and support to the Chinese E.V. industry could end up hurting it by making it less flexible and subject to mal- or overinvestment. Beyond a self-inflicted economic slowdown and major fiscal and demographic troubles, China is also facing rising hostility from foreign nations, which could cause real troubles for its E.V. industry.
Yet the question remains: Does China's current dominance in the E.V. market truly hurt us? After all, China is now producing lower-priced, decent-quality cars for consumers who, unlike Chinese citizens, aren't shouldering the costs of the subsidies propping up the industry. If anything, Americans should be upset that their access to these E.V.s is obstructed by a 27.5 percent tariff on Chinese-made cars imposed by former President Donald Trump's administration and maintained by President Joe Biden.
Rather than posing a national security threat, the growth of China's E.V. industry is an opportunity for global innovation. Its engagement in the sector adds significantly to the international exchange of ideas, technology, and expertise. Cross-border collaboration can accelerate the pace of innovation, benefiting not only China but the entire global electric car ecosystem. U.S., Japanese, and European innovators have successfully done this for decades but have not yet delivered enough affordable clean vehicles. This approach is far more constructive than viewing China's strides as a strategic problem and resorting to protectionist measures.
Furthermore, any related national security concerns are often rooted in misconceptions about the technologies themselves. It's important to differentiate between civilian and military technologies. E.V. manufacturing primarily involves civilian tech that's unlikely to have significant national security implications. The focus should instead be on enhancing international cooperation and dialogue to ensure that technologies with security implications are managed appropriately.
Finally, for all the alarmist talk from politicians about the threat of China's E.V. dominance, many of their own policy inconsistencies make truly cutting ourselves off from these vehicles unlikely. E.V. batteries require a lot of lithium. While the U.S. is home to huge lithium reserves, new mining here is frowned upon by local communities, leaving America with only one active mine producing a whopping 1 percent of the global lithium output.
Even if it weren't an uphill battle to mine much more, it would never be enough to satisfy all our needs. As such, we will likely continue to rely on some Chinese lithium batteries. China is also a manufacturing hub for many Western brands that rely on it to export to the rest of the world. All of this means that even if it were desirable, decoupling our economy from China is unlikely.
There are plenty of reasons why treating China's growing E.V. industry as a strategic problem is a narrow and counterproductive perspective, especially if we claim that fighting climate change is a priority.
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They don't want to fight climate change; they want to use climate change as cover to implement fascist economic models.
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Yep; That’s exactly how solar and wind and EV stays in business. They can’t survive/exist in an actual free-market because their solutions are a step down.
Anyone who thinks electric cars are the answer to anything is a fool.
Nonsense. China has rid itself of tons of open space by parking millions of unused and unwanted - often brand new - EVs there. If you're a fan of graveyards, it's a must see tourist attraction!
And in America, EV owners are quickly abandoning their little flight of green fancy to return to evil gas guzzlers, because... turns out there's no reliable infrastructure for EVs! Kinda like we had this really nice idea, and tried to force-birth it into reality without laying ANY of the groundwork that might make it feasible.
(Also, pay no mind to how destructive EVs actually are to the environment. The point is that you feel good - and you replace all that nasty smog with some nice clean green smug instead.)
Also, EVs tend to burst into flames far more often than gas guzzlers, and the fires tend to occur at such a rapid rate that escape becomes less likely. Really kind of ironic that EVs are a bigger fire danger than internal combustion engines, which literally rely on controlled combustion to create energy.
Also, EVs are burning fossil fuels. They're just doing it one-step removed instead of directly. Because screw the power grid.
That’s a problem with electricity generation, not electric cars. Would you change your tune if the power plants were nuclear? Or if wind and solar technology progresses to become a reliable power source?
My biggest problem is charge time. Then again how often do I drive more than 300 miles at once? As well as the cons people have listed, there are advantages like quiet running, instant torque, and the heater doesn't require the engine to warm up.
Democrats are opposed to nuclear on religious grounds.
Tell that to the people who work in the plants.
Those idiots need to change how they vote.
The democrats are making it very clear that actual votes no longer count.
Yes, I would change my tune if the power plants were nuclear. If the EV needs can be met without disrupting America's existing energy needs, great.
Solar and wind too. (But we both know that's a pipe dream for the foreseeable future.)
4 TWH of pure electricity produced yearly in the US.
30 TWH of energy equivalent produced by various IC sources. Planes, trains, automobiles, trucks, etc.
So... to convert all of that to pure EV, you need 6.5 times as much more electricity generating capacity, and notionally all the fossil fired electricity needs to go as well.
Nuclear is flat out the only possible option, and there's no chance of it happening.
My biggest problem is charge time. Then again how often do I drive more than 300 miles at once?
It's not only driving long distances, charge time also impacts working vehicles. Towing, snow plowing, winching, etc. The Ford Lightning F-150 lasted 90 miles pulling 6000 lbs. Pathetic.
Which means it’s not a great idea for those applications. They’re shit where I live because of the cold winters. Even then it’s only a dozen or so days a year if that when it’s that cold. But that doesn’t mean they’re impractical for everyone.
"Which means it’s not a great idea for those applications."
And yet the Biden administration is trying to convert the long haul trucking industry (semi trucks) to EVs
I figure at some point innovations in the technologies for electric vehicles, electric storage, and power generation from wind and solar will converge, and something practical will result. But we’re not there. Yet.
In the mean time it looks like governments are going to subsidize it. Why not let China take the lead in taxing it’s people to pay for technology that we benefit from?
And when it gets cold, 300 miles towing nothing also plummets nicely.
Funny you say that. Car and Driver documented that phenomenon in their testing of EV’s. The Rivian pickup is a good example.
From CD’s road test…..
“One of our biggest questions, and likely yours, too, is how far an electric pickup truck packing one of the biggest batteries currently on sale can travel on a charge. The EPA says to expect a range of 314 miles, but that’s with the highway tires, not the all-terrain rubber. In our 75-mph highway test, we found the R1T’s range to be 220 miles. Hook up a trailer and the range is halved [see our towing test]. Our observed efficiency, 35 MPGe, was half the EPA’s combined estimate of 70 MPGe. Some of this low score is attributable to the off-road-ready Pirellis; some may be due to near-freezing ambient temperatures. To see how the cold affected the battery, we’ll have to get an R1T back to test in a more temperate season. (It’s worth noting that this battery is the R1T’s medium offering. A larger battery with an estimated 172.0-kWh capacity will reach customers in 2023 and be followed by a smaller pack of undisclosed size.)”
I would post the link, but Reason doesn’t like it.
What sort of energy is used to build the EVs and everything that goes into building them all up, down and across all the lines.
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no. where do you brainwashed low IQ sheep come up with such stupidity?
what propaganda site told you that lie?
What propaganda site are you trolling from?
It's also nice to see that salt water seems like it might cause significant problems with the batteries in those cars.
Apparently, most of the EVs China makes have a range under 100 miles as well. China’s a big country with few charging stations, most getting their electricity from fossil fuel.
If the Chinese cars are junk let the market decide. I don't recall the Yugo putting any U.S auto makers out of business. Though they almost did a well enough job of that on their own.
I wouldn't go that far. Electric cars (at current technology) are a perfectly valid answer to some situations. If, for example, you're running vehicles in an enclosed space (warehouse, underground systems, etc), a battery-based system makes a lot of sense. Likewise, if you're in a very sound-sensitive environment (certain high-energy physics experiments), not depending on internal combustion could be the right answer. And there are perhaps some hazardous environments where avoiding combustible fuels might be a good idea.
But for general transportation? And especially for freight transportation? Not yet. The technology is still not ready. (If it were ready, they wouldn't need to keep subsidizing it.)
But for general transportation? And especially for freight transportation? Not yet. The technology is still not ready. (If it were ready, they wouldn’t need to keep subsidizing it.)
Yup.
Exactly...... It's not even an infrastructure problem it's a lack of ability. As-if no one has ever noticed their battery mower/chain saw/ or weed wacker was a F'En joke power/weight performance wise against it's gasoline competitor.
USPS couldn't even make their Ford Explorer sized EV usage competitive on a purely fuel-to-mile cost. Gasoline was cheaper than the cost of electricity per mile. What is happening is limiting SUVs to only 60hp EV while their gasoline equivalent model runs 270hp+. The push will end up being a bunch of tail dragging lawn mowers all struggling to go anywhere.
Going to push back here a bit... I converted all my small lawn equipment (push mower, line trimmer/edger, leaf blower, etc.) to battery electric about 6 years ago and it's been fantastic. Probably not great for commercial outfits, but for my garage, it's been way better to charge a few batteries than to do annual (4x) small engine maintenance.
Riding mower and snowblower are still gas though.
"But for general transportation? And especially for freight transportation? Not yet. The technology is still not ready. (If it were ready, they wouldn’t need to keep subsidizing it.)"
Obviously oil is not ready yet as they subsidize it still. And BS EVs are not ready for general transportation. They are ALREADY doing it, stupid.
On paper in California, maybe.
The 'oil is subsidized' claim has been thoroughly debunked. Accounting treatments that are available to EV and oil companies alike are not subsidies. Please stop wasting our time.
And EVs for general transportation are clearly not ready because they're only doing it with direct subsidization.
Yea, but fighting climate change isn't a priority.
In fact, just the term "fighting climate change" is ridiculous on its face and draws to mind thoughts of The Ingenious Knight of La Mancha.
TOGETHER MY FRIENDS! TOGETHER WE CAN VANQUISH THE YELLOW FLAMING SKY MONSTER!
So stupid. I can't even with the climate wackos.
Control of critical natural resources has always been considered a national security issue. Has Veroniqua ever bothered to study why the Japanese chose to attack the US in 1941? If we have to convert to EVs allowing a a geopolitical rival to control 80%+ of a critical resource places us at their mercy.
Correction: intentionally places us at their mercy.
If we
haveknowingly choose to convert to EVs allowing a a geopolitical rival to control 80%+ of a critical resource places us at their mercy.It should be noted that this isn’t 1908 and we aren’t talking about Model Ts. We know *exactly* how many cars we’re going to have to build. We know *exactly* where the materials and fuels to build those cars is going to come from. We already went through the era, or several, of “Well, we built the cars, if we want to fuel them, we’ll have to help Iraq/Iran/Kuwait/Saudi Arabia/Libya.” China is no longer some land shrouded in the mysteries of the Far East, dominated by Ancient Chinese secrets behind a closed borders policy. The Mad Arab Abdul Alhazred no longer resides in the unknown corners of the ME and the Fremen waiting for their Lisan al Gaib don't reside there. Acting like this is unforeseen or unforeseeable is actively playing stupid.
"We know *exactly* how many cars we’re going to have to build. We know *exactly* where the materials and fuels to build those cars is going to come from. " Sounds like a central planners wet dream Frederick Hayek on line 1.
by Ancient Chinese secrets
You mean Calgon, right?
The German Industrial might built in the 1930s posed no security threats to anyone either
"Control of critical natural resources has always been considered a national security issue."
That might make sense in an alternate reality where we weren't deliberately forgoing development of domestic sources of the relevant natural resource. But that's not the reality we live in.
China controls most of the rare earth minerals which go into making batteries, therefore they must be shut down. It makes for a convenient enemy to blame for when our unicorn fart powered future doesn't come to fruition. No flying cars, no teleportation, no immortality, and it's all China's fault. Not because these are all impossible dreams that you'd have to be an imbecile to believe.
It can be both. Critical resource control does impact national security and EV are all unicorn farts.
You don't have to be from La Mancha to confuse automotive and and windmill tech.
Unicorn farts are as vital to EV batteries as rare earth metals.
I wonder if unicorn farts could start an unstoppable inferno.
As both are rigid designators in the null set, neither can do either.
China also controls the Biden family. And why shouldn’t they? They’ve paid plenty for them.
>>opportunity for global innovation.
is it innovation if it's unnecessary?
Yes.
Is it wanted? Magic 8 ball says: Unknown.
Tucker Carlson should ask China to send over a dozen to spruce up his yard in Maine.
Because of this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs&ab_channel=HuffPostEntertainment
I don't find it "bizarre" at all. I find it to be evidence that climate change was never the real goal, only a convenient excuse. As soon as it becomes inconvenient, it gets jettisoned.
As noted, Veronique doesn’t find it bizarre either. She can’t. It’s been noted too many times around these parts both in the magazine and the comments and on the global political stage that it’s a top-down social control program.
The only way you would think it’s bizarre is if you were of the mind “Of course the Chicoms should sit atop of and supply the world's (green) energy and transportation needs. Why shouldn’t they?”
I find it bizarre.
Of course you do, because despite your "Am I a Reason Editor wearing a Libertarian mask or a Libertarian wearing a Reason Editor mask?" Mott-and-Bailey, you're pro-Globalism and pro-China.
If you weren't, you could flatly just say that EVs and the Green movement is about top-down control and that the move to cut China out is to keep them out of control like a libertarian, or even just a moderate objectivist would. That, whether the EVs are made in China or Japan or Europe or the US, they're the result of subsidies and top-billing anti-industrial policy *everywhere*. You, however, for some reason, feel the need to play up to their pretenses. The only rational reason is that you either actually support a Communist Dictatorship at the head of a global regime, or you're happily paid by someone who does.
"as the world faces a pressing need to reduce carbon emissions and combat climate change."
I notice the lack of evidence to bolster this claim.
Only gov-guns can STOP the weather from changing. It's funny; if they could actually succeed it'd actually be the very demise.
It's all just Nazi-Propaganda which is exactly why MORE [Na]tional So[zi]alism is always needed and can never stop being expanded until the weather stops changing.
Hmm, from the "HEY, RIG COUNTS IS UP!!" department ---
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-administration-announce-cancellation-alaska-wildlife-drilling-leases-2023-09-06/
More of that unleashing of the American economy...
EVs make no sense for “fighting climate change”. You could magically replace all US cars with electric vehicles and magically power them with clean energy, and the impact on the climate would be nil. In reality, once you take manufacturing and the need for a new electric grid into account, EVs will result in massive new carbon emissions.
So, the argument “if Chinese can make EVs better than American companies, it’s good for the world” is out of touch with reality.
EVs are a US government boondoggle for certain (mostly Democrat) lobbyists. The boondoggle loses its value if the EVs are supplied by Chinese companies.
As a US tax payer, I prefer if my government boondoggles that I pay for to at least go to American companies and the American stock market; sending my tax dollars directly to the CCP is even more ridiculous than sending it to US companies with powerful lobbyists.
Yup. If you really want to go green, walk and bicycle more, and tune up your old beater car so it pollutes less, drive it less, and keep it another 10 years.
If ‘green’ has anything to do with plant life then noting that CO2 is the very substance required to maintain plant life then the narrative is entirely *ss backwards. A war on CO2 is a war on ‘green’.
Especially when you figure in that AGW is utter bullshit. On the order of phrenology.
Just going to leave this here:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-emissions-per-country?country=CHN~USA
Solar cells and EVs are a way of exporting carbon emissions to China; the emissions are simply embodied in the manufactured goods and the energy needed to produce them.
And you can be that Chinese lobbyists are contributing heavily to the climate hysteria in the West because it gives China more power.
The absurd level of credulity exhibited in this article is either evidence of Veronique's now indusputable propeller headed ivory tower encased idiocy, or complicity with the authoritarian statists and their trojan horse tactics.
China's E.V. 's are junk. Take a look on youtube of the type of 'quality ' that's turned out. The companies are just sucking up CCP subsidies and throwing them together in large numbers. Now thousands are rotting in 'graveyards' like was said above. De Rugy has no idea what his talking about.
Did you really expect better of her?
Aren’t thier batteries more likely to explode?
Because politicians promising to "address" climate change are really just hoping to win the votes of the gullible while lining the pockets of their financial backers by funneling large "green technology" projects to them? And their backers aren't based in China.
Our betters don’t want us driving cars, electric or otherwise, or probably even e-scooters. They want us all to walk, bike, or take mass transit. But they’ll tolerate EVs for now if it gets more people to think they’re doing something.
Can't build a [Na]tional So[zi]alist empire without taking over all the resources first.
Eventually we will live in stick huts and wipe our asses with our hands. Progress…
And once again.... The message is....
ONLY China makes "nice things" and ONLY China "innovates".
I be thinking many Reason writers should MOVE to China.
EV's will be a disaster. Just like everything else the government tries to STUFF DOWN OUR THROATS. It'll make energy emergencies (enter Europe's 'emergency). It'll cause electrical shutdown (oh yep; check). And it'll make travel and shipping unaffordable JUST LIKE government ran everything else.
But oh yes; Please keep lying to us. I'm sure this government initiative will be different. After all; You just plug it into that magical wall outlet right?/s
The subsidies for the oil industry are tax breaks.
The subsidies for EV's are tax breaks and paying customers to buy their products.
And all are unacceptable.
Yikes.. A pro open/free market in a pro-china context article is quite a bad look.
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