Is Trump's Latest Indictment About Defending Democracy or Attacking Free Speech?
Plus: More "manifesting prostitution" nonsense, U.S. loses top-tier credit rating, and more...

Former President Donald Trump is facing yet another criminal indictment. The latest set of criminal charges stems from Trump's actions in the aftermath of the 2020 election. Specifically, they focus on Trump's efforts to stop Congress from certifying the election results and his role in fomenting the U.S. Capitol riots on January 6, 2021.
Trump "widely disseminated his false claims of election fraud for months, despite the fact that he knew, and in many cases had been informed directly, that they were not true," states the indictment.
Trump had a right to challenge the election results in court, prosecutors acknowledge. And Trump "had a right, like every American, to speak publicly about the election and even to claim, falsely, that there had been…fraud during the election and that he had won."
But the indictment argues that Trump's actions went far beyond these protected activities. Not everyone agrees.
Targeting Speech or Fraud?
I've now read the new Indictment twice. It is criminalizing speech, thought, legal (right or wrong) positions, and disinformation. It also is shockingly manipulative of statutes and theories which require enormous legal wrangling.
— Brett L. Tolman (@tolmanbrett) August 1, 2023
Special Counsel Jack Smith is trying "to criminalize protected political speech and flimsy legal theories," suggest the editors at National Review:
The indictment relates in detail Trump's deceptions, but that doesn't mean they constitute criminal fraud. As the Supreme Court reaffirmed just a few weeks ago, fraud in federal criminal law is a scheme to swindle victims out of money or tangible property. Mendacious rhetoric in seeking to retain political office is damnable—and, again, impeachable—but it's not criminal fraud….As for obstruction, Americans, presidents included, have a right to attempt to influence Congress, even based on dubious or imagined evidence.
The Wall Street Journal editorial board is also skeptical. The indictment "offers no new evidence to establish a connection between the riot and Mr. Trump beyond his well-known tweets and public statements," it writes.
The allegations in the indictment constitute "a remarkably broad theory of 'conspiracy to defraud the United States,' and one with troubling implications far beyond the fate of Mr. Trump," the editorial board continues:
Mr. Smith's theory seems to be that if a President and his 'co-conspirators' are lying, and then take action on that lie, they are defrauding the U.S.
This potentially criminalizes many kinds of actions and statements by a President that a prosecutor deems to be false. You don't have to be a defender of Donald Trump to worry about where this will lead. It makes any future election challenges, however valid, legally vulnerable to a partisan prosecutor. And it might have criminalized the actions by Al Gore and George W. Bush to contest the Florida election result in 2000.
But conservative columnist David French suggests there may be enough in the charges against Trump to overcome First Amendment concerns:
There's little doubt that Trump conspired to interfere with or obstruct the transfer of power after the 2020 election. But to prevail in the case, the government has to prove that he possessed an intent to defraud or to make false statements. In other words, if you were to urge a government official to overturn election results based on a good faith belief that serious fraud had altered the results, you would not be violating the law. Instead, you'd be exercising your First Amendment rights….
Thus, it becomes all-important for the prosecution to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Trump knew he lost. Arguably the most important allegations in the indictment detail the many times that senior administration officials—from the vice president to the director of national intelligence to senior members of the Justice Department to senior White House lawyers—told him that there was no fraud or foreign interference sufficient to change the results of the election. That's why it's vitally important for the prosecution to cite, for example, the moment when Trump himself purportedly described one of his accused co-conspirators' election fraud claims as "crazy."
French adds that "the case is no slam dunk." But "if a prosecutor believes—as Smith appears to—that he can prove Trump knew his claims were false and then engineered a series of schemes to cajole, coerce, deceive and defraud in order to preserve his place in the White House, it would be a travesty of justice not to file charges," he writes.
In a televised statement, Smith encouraged everyone to read the indictment in full.
What the Indictment Says
The indictment lays out four counts related to three alleged criminal conspiracies. Trump is accused of conspiring to defraud the United States, to obstruct an official proceeding, and to disenfranchise people.
"You might think about the three parts of the indictment as a helpful breakdown of the three ways in which Trump and his allies—there are six unnamed and so far uncharged co-conspirators mentioned in the indictment—attempted to subvert the presidential election process," my colleague Eric Boehm wrote yesterday. "Taken together, then, Smith's indictment outlines how the plot to overturn the 2020 presidential election harmed voters, the state-level vote-counting process, and the country's democratic process at a high level."
The defrauding charge centers on Trump's attempts to have state lawmakers who would do his bidding appointed as alternate electors, in an attempt to get himself and not Joe Biden declared the rightful winner of the 2020 presidential election. The charges of actual and attempted obstruction of justice relate to his actions on and around January 6. And the voting rights charge relates to the ways in which his conduct could have deprived the American people of the right to choose their president.
"Each of these conspiracies—which built on the widespread mistrust the Defendant was creating through pervasive and destabilizing lies about election fraud—targeted a bedrock function of the United States federal government: the nation's process of collecting, counting, and certifying the results of the presidential election," the indictment alleges.
More Reactions
Many Republican officeholders and candidates have been quick to condemn the indictment as political shenanigans and "weaponization of government."
Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz tweeted: "DEFUND JACK SMITH'S WITCH HUNT AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP!"
House Speaker Kevin McCarthy called it an "attempt to distract" from charges against Joe Biden's son Hunter.
"When you drain The Swamp, The Swamp fights back," Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan tweeted. "President Trump did nothing wrong!"
Others have commended the indictment as a blow against corruption and conspiracy and a win for the rule of law.
"This presents anew a defining question for our country: law or men? Choose law," tweeted Heath Mayo of the reformist conservative group Principles First.
"Donald Trump must be held accountable for conspiring to overturn an election and inciting a violent, fascist insurrection. The American people deserve justice," commented Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D–Mich.).
"Today's federal indictment matters beyond the fact that a former president is accused. The conspiracies at the heart of the case are still being used to justify voting and election law all across the country," tweeted the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University. "Trump's lies about voter fraud and a rigged election drove the insurrection and continue to damage our electoral system—driving bids to undermine voting rights, interfere with electoral processes, and threaten election workers."
The Bigger Picture
The biggest takeaway of the indictment is that should Trump win in 2024, there is no way he is leaving office willingly and peacefully when his term is up
— David Freedlander (@freedlander) August 2, 2023
This indictment is the most serious one Trump faces to date, but the former president's legal troubles go far beyond it.
The new indictment follows another federal indictment, this one issued in June and added onto last week, in which Trump faces criminal charges related to his retention of classified documents. It also follows an April indictment from New York, where Trump was charged with 34 counts of business fraud related to payments he made to Stormy Daniels. And Trump is widely expected to face one more set of charges, related to his attempts to convince Georgia officials to commit election fraud.
FREE MINDS
More "manifesting prostitution" nonsense. Earlier this week in Reason Roundup, we covered the Dallas County appeals court decision that declared the city's law against "manifesting the purpose of engaging in prostitution" unconstitutional. We also noted that laws like this are common around the country. And some cities—including Phoenix—make ample use of these statutes. A July article in the Phoenix New Times explores just how unjust enforcement of the city's manifesting prostitution statute is, often leading to people being arrested for ho they are dressed. And in Phoenix, "manifesting an intent to commit or solicit an act of prostitution" comes with a mandatory sentence of at least 15 days in jail.
"More than 450 people in Phoenix…have been charged with manifestation of prostitution over the past eight years," notes New Times:
The ordinance, which has been called unconstitutional by the ACLU of Arizona, allows the act of flagging down a car or wearing provocative clothing to be used as grounds to cite someone.
In 2014, the city's prosecution of Monica Jones under the ordinance drew national outcry. Civil rights organizations condemned the arrest of Jones, a transgender activist and social work student. Even celebrities spoke out against the city's use of the law.
But Phoenix has not stopped using the ordinance, according to data obtained by New Times.
A review of the data showed that hundreds of people—including 90 in 2022—have been charged with manifesting prostitution since Jones' case. Over the last two years, the majority of those charged were Black.
FREE MARKETS
U.S. loses top-tier credit rating. On Tuesday the "US was stripped of its top-tier sovereign credit rating by Fitch Ratings," Bloomberg News reports. The country has been downgraded from a rating of AAA to AA+. Fitch blamed the downgrade on an "erosion of governance" that had "manifested in repeated debt limit standoffs and last-minute resolutions."
"The AA+ rating is one level below AAA, meaning the US no longer has what Fitch defines as the 'highest credit quality,'" adds Bloomberg:
While Fitch says that AA ratings denote "expectations of very low default risk," that's a step down from "the lowest expectation of default risk" for AAA borrowers. Similarly, the top rating is assigned only in cases of "exceptional strong capacity" to meet financial commitments, while AA tier credit scores indicate a "very strong capacity," according to Fitch. Globally, Fitch is considered the smallest of the "big three" rating firms which include Moody's Investors Service and S&P.
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Is Trump's Latest Indictment About Defending Democracy or Attacking Free Speech?
Democracy cannot survive free speech.
Free speech is definitely a construct of white supremacy.
And, damnit, free speech is not for everybody!
Not any more than fighter jets and guns. Only the good guys need free speech and weapons.
Are the good guys all government officials?
Only in fiction.
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It's about our rapid descent into 'Fall of the Empire' mode.
It's an attack on Trump. Free Speech is just a victim of the drive-by.
With Trump out of the way they can pull this shit on anyone at any time.
Nobody needs 26 letters of the alphabet.
Trump "widely disseminated his false claims of election fraud for months, despite the fact that he knew, and in many cases had been informed directly, that they were not true," states the indictment.
In the past three years especially, Trump is our our only institution that has proved itself untrustworthy. If we were told something was a fact by someone other than Trump, what kind of cretin would not take that at face value?
I mean who would spread lies like that. Next you know a major party could claim a president was in bed with russia for 5 years without consequence.
What's most important is government decides the truth and any disagreement with them is illegal.
I'm just glad our free press free-pressed and held his feet to the fire on that one. I don't want a president getting pissed on in a made up story without gettting beat over the head by it for years by our very important institutions and media.
Next you know a major party could claim a president was in bed with russia for 5 years without consequence.
Now that's just crazy talk. No one would ever make such a ridiculous claim. And if they did, surely there would be severe consequences for anyone making such an absurd claim as well as for any federal agents or bureaucrats who acted on such a claim.
Seems to me claiming that the 2020 election was rigged is a lot more plausible than claiming that a real estate investor/reality TV star is a Russian spy.
What does it mean for our future when we can replace "Trump" with "Hillary" or "Biden" in all the claims about official misbehavior, and be just as accurate?
That politicians are lying sacks of shit. Same as always; not sure about the future implications - Moody credit rating downgrade is more of indicator AFAIC.
I'm more afraid of the fact that a sleazy fucker like Tump is several levels above them in the moral high ground. There are currently hundreds in DC that have been elected that are worse than him. I'm good with running scumbags out of DC, but we better go get all of them, not the least scummiest one.
I’m good with cleansing them from this country.
And owes money all over town, including to known pornographers.
What about to properly empowered sex workers?
“….arrested for ho they are dressed.”
Lol. Great typo.
Freudian slip, so to speak?
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despite the fact that he knew, and in many cases had been informed directly, that they were not true,
And this is what's wrong with this indictment. Can you prove that Trump knew? Just because he'd been informed by people within his own party that these weren't true doesn't mean he believed them. Perhaps he believed they'd missed evidence he had seen, that they were wrong. Perhaps he worried that people he trusted were lying to him. He seems to have believed the election results weren't accurate and still does.
And he has the right to speak. As the President, his right to speak is perhaps even more important to protect because it's essential to fulfilling his role in office as an elected representative of the will of the people. He has the right to be wrong. So yes, this is an attack on free speech.
This is how reporters spread their lies.
It wasn't that Trump's people thought allegations of fraud "weren't true" it's that they thought there was no recourse because all our fucking institutions are irretrievably corrupt.
I imagine you could probably prove it if he's on record somewhere before the January stating the he knows he lost. Frankly, I don't think he ever believed he actually lost. He likely believed anything that supported that.
What is DeSantis? Chopped liver?
What is Mike Laursen? A stupid, lying, Marxist groomer douchebag.
Reason staff need be mostly peacefully protested
How peaceful? Rocks and bottles full of piss peaceful? Or windows broken and buildings set on fire peaceful?
David Dorn peaceful.
The timing if Jack Smiths filings are quite questionable. Always after a Biden issue was dumped into public. But there is also another aspect. Which judge would be assigned. In this case they were assigned the judge most harsh against J6 protestors often giving sentences longer than the DoJ even requested. The judge was also a lawyer for the legal form that employed Hunter Biden and had another lawyer from the firm sit on the board of Burisma with Hunter. Not questionable at all.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/courts/donald-trump-assigned-judge-tanya-chutkan-jan-6-sentences
James Lynch
@jameslynch32
Trump's D.C. judge worked for Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP, the same law firm that employed Hunter Biden and whose former partner Heather King worked with Burisma alongside Hunter
@DailyCaller
The latest indictments utilize language that Trump knew he lost, that his claims of election fraud were lies. They are the basis for the new charges. Yet Jack Smith was given a memo from Trumps legal team called the Kirek Memo showing as late as January 4th Trump was continuing to request states to investigate fraudulent election claims. Despite having Trump still believed the election was fraudulent concurrently woth January 6, Smith issued the indictments that require knowingly false statements by the individual, such as for fraud.
This is another example of government claiming that government is the arbiter of truth and to make it illegal to disagree woth then. A complete violation of the 1a. Criminalizing disagreements with government over what is true.
Here is the memo that undermines the basis for Jack Smiths claims.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/kerik-memos-prosecutors-show-trump-team-still-probing-election
conservative columnist David French
HAHAHA! Oh, wait, you're serious? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
The love their neocons they used to rail against.
My favorite is how WaPo pretended that Jennifer Rubin was a conservative for nearly a decade.
They still pretend that she is.
It seems like he's only described as "conservative columnist David French" when he's agreeing with Progressives. Funny that.
I'm waiting for the Bulwark to weigh in. They're ENB's other conservative source.
A surprisingly not bad take from ENB. But what is it with her and David French?
Matt Yglesias has a sad.
Maybe Matt, ENB, and David can turn the sad into a glad by making a sammich.
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gotta throw Masnick on the pile too.
ENB can be the ham, masnick the Swiss, yglesias the bread, and French the mustard and pickles?
That sounds delicious. Does that sandwich have a name?
— sarcasmic
Lol. Was hoping someone saw what I did there.
Maybe make Mark Cuban the olive on top?
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French has to be the mustard, of course. The pickle? I dunno….
The only acceptable conservative is one who bends the knee to the other party.
Agreed
"But conservative columnist David French suggests there may be enough in the charges against Trump to overcome First Amendment concerns"
David French is "conservative" in the same manner as Shrike is "child friendly".
Oh, turd is extremely "child friendly", such that you don't want children anywhere close to the lying pile of lefty shit.
I wonder if Shrike is busy stalking schoolgirls.
Fitch blamed the downgrade on an "erosion of governance" that had "manifested in repeated debt limit standoffs and last-minute resolutions."
If only our checks and balances were rubber stamps, the U.S. would be the epitome of financial stability.
Also ideological consensus.
But what about rig counts?
Love how she STILL holds David French up as a "conservative" in spite of everything. He's as conservative as Jennifer Rubin.
He works for the correct media and pushes the correct narratives.
He also hates you-know-who.
Lord Voldemort?
The real reason for another spurious political charge against Trump?
Fitch downgrades U.S. long-term rating to AA+ from AAA
Best economy ever. Have you seen the rig count?
Saw a great post somewhere about the "manufacturing boom". Almost exclusively green tech paid for by the "deficit reduction act".
So, government is paying heavily for items that the market does not want.
It is not significantly better than paying ditch diggers and ditch fillers to work on the same stretch of land.
At least the ditch racket doesn't cause any environmental harm.
Not true, the EPA would love to regulate ditches, and they would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling Supreme Court Justices (Sacket vs EPA).
The EPA and other State agencies evidently already think ditches are environmentally harmful, especially when they can classify a mud puddle in your yard as a protected "wetland" and forbid filling and development.
The EPA and other State agencies evidently don't think so, especially when they can classify a mud puddle in your yard as a protected "wetland."
it's going to get a lot worse than downgrading to AA+
There is no stopping this train.
Hmm, how can I short government debt?
Stock up on ammo?
How "trauma" became America's favorite diagnosis.
With great victimhood comes great power somehow.
But what if you are too traumatized to get out of bed to exercise that power?
The government will do it for you!
Everything Is So Terrible And Unfair.
The investigation was hampered by political battles, deep-seated local resistance to federal investigators and apparent apathy toward sex-worker victims...
As though actually finding a serial killer was anyone's primary goal there.
Indeed. Serial murderers and anti-sex crusaders share a common erotic desire to control other human beings and to eliminate "impurity" from the face of the Earth.
The anti-sex crusaders just carry out their evil by law and serial murderers carry it out as vigilantes.
Trump dead-enders are the stupidest people on the planet, Exhibit #551
Trump is one indictment away from winning the Black vote. Or at least a new high. Sounds like hyperbole, I know. But here's the winning message: "The legal system is broken for you and it's even broken for me. I'll fix it for all of us."
Dilbert says the guy who spent 4 years failing to deliver on key promises from 2016 (build the wall, drain the swamp) is going to eradicate SYSTEMIC RACISM if we give him another 4 years. Which even black Harvard Law genius Barack Obama apparently couldn't accomplish in 8 years.
In his defense, Obama had no desire to end systemic racism. He wanted to make racism worse. And he accomplished that amazingly well.
Your guy has dropped to single digits in Ohio.
Never Back Down is the worst, most corrupt campaign in American political history.
Good work, AWFL, you've helped destroy DeSantis' political future.
This comment feels a little half-hearted by the standards of your "Nardz" parody character.
Where's the trademark intensity? Where's the certifiably insane Trump cultist meltdown in which you admit Trump is a guaranteed loser in 2024 - but insist that's actually a good thing because it will trigger the literal breakup of the United States of America?
#DoBetter
^Pathetic midwit routine activated.
She reveals herself to be no more than a verbose sarcasmic or buttplug.
Still not passionate enough.
Tell us how awesome it will be after the US ceases to exist following Trump's inevitable second loss to a dementia patient:
How many smaller countries will emerge from the wreckage?
Will Trump seize control of a region containing 10 million people? 100 million? 200 million?
What happens to the US military? And our nukes?
Do the resulting smaller nations continue to use the US dollar? Some other currency?
No republican has a better chance of winning than Trump.
If you're still claiming otherwise, you're a complete moron.
Now go ahead and tell us why you so slavishly worship the current, rapidly declining status quo.
No republican has a better chance of winning than Trump.
2020 and "The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election" should have disabused you of this idea months ago. That's the establishment openly bragging about how they operated a color revolution and worked to tilt the election in Biden's favor.
Not sure that will work twice.
This is where we’re at; either there is a limit to the shit these assholes can pull, (and the number of morons who support them) or there is not, and authoritarianism is already here.
I remain somewhat hopeful that the Brandon family corruption combined with the lack of a backup plan will be too daunting for the “election fraud team” to overcome this time, and they will stand down.
We shall see. It’s gonna be ugly.
Ok, nobody that's even somewhat opposed to 100% corrupt, totalitarian, anti-American government has a better chance of being elected than Trump.
But go ahead and think electing George Bush 3 and a new war is a desirable solution.
This is a false dilemma and really shouldn't be taken seriously.
“…inevitable second loss….”
I don’t get this line of thinking. Do you not think the Brandon brand has taken a hit (with more to come) in the last 3 years?
I think recency bias will work against Brandon, and everyone that hates trump now already hated him 3 years ago. And hopefully there will be no pandemic or “summer of love” scaring the shit out of people next year.
Don’t know what will happen but I’m not convinced that anything is “inevitable” for next year.
"Trump dead-enders are the stupidest people on the planet, Exhibit #551"
Trailing TDS-addled shit piles by several leagues. Fuck off and die, pile of shit.
Trump has about a coin flip chance of being the next president.
He'll probably win the primaries. At this point it will take a miracle for him to lose his lead.
Once he's the nominee, it's a horse race. It will be the funniest political outcome in history if he wins. And there's a decent chance.
And the gnashing of teeth from the TDS-addled shits will be heard for miles!
The bigger question is, what will the neocons and progtards do should he win? I have a very bad feeling about this, given everything they've done to him, to others like him, and to us over the last 7-8 years. Do the progtards fire the proverbial Fort Sumter shot? I sincerely doubt they can let Trump or anyone like Trump become President ever again. If he wins, I have a bad feeling it'll be 44 BC all over again. If he loses by fraud, then the question is, will everyone else have had enough?
Maybe they will all move to Canadia.
maybe they will protest and storm the capital building in a feckless show of outrage? just a thought
Less Fort Sumter and more magic bullet if you get my meaning.
Really? A coin flip? His numbers are even worse than Biden’s, which are pretty much the lowest of all time. Lock Down Trump gets about 33% of the vote - tops. It’s not that the rest of the people think he would be a bad leader, it’s that they can fucking stand the guy, and viscerally hate the dumb bastard.
He is about the same as Biden.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
And this despite the legal warfare and media attacks.
But good you have bought into all the media narratives.
just as with the russian saying about not being the voters but who counts the votes....
its not about the poll question answers and breakdown but who asks and what\how they ask
If it weren't for "fortified elections," I'd agree with you.
"Trump has about a coin flip chance of being the next president."
I agree he's a virtual lock to win the GOP nomination.
I just think you're overstating his chances of beating Biden (or any other Democrat if Biden's handlers force him to step aside). Trump is much weaker in 2024 than 2020 for two obvious reasons. Lack of incumbent advantage is the first.
Second, and probably more damaging, post-2020 Trump cannot shut up about how the election was rigged. Even if you think he's correct, that message is downright toxic with voters. Democrats understood this in 2022, boosting Trump-like #StopTheSteal (R) candidates and contributing to a laughable GOP underperformance.
The best way to run against Biden would be to hammer him on the economy and present a contrast with his advanced age. Trump is barely younger than Biden (plus fatter!) and will likely center his campaign around his legal issues and the idea he was cheated 4 years ago. I can't see him cleaning up with Independent swing voters using that approach.
"It will be the funniest political outcome in history if he wins."
Agreed, because it would mean the Dems missed a layup even easier than the one they botched in 2016.
Your problem Sandra is you have some kind of blinders on when it comes to election integrity that does not comport to reality or even public opinion. At least half of the electorate believes that the 2020 election was fraudulent including a hefty chunk of Democrats. Does Trump spend too much time talking about it? Probably. But Trump also talks a lot about foreign policy and the economy. On those issues he is the hands down winner. If you think he's not it's because you aren't paying attention.
I see the possibility for lots of laughs here too.
There’s at least a path there considering he was able to get Republicans to pass the First Step Act.
Obama did nothing but stoke racial tensions for 8 years.
High school girls are drifting to the left while high school boys are drifting to the right.
EVEN THE TRANS ONES?
Does drifting mean drowning in clinical levels of anxiety and depression?
Soooo...scissoring to the Left and circle-jerking to the Right? With Trans kids stuck in the middle?
https://twitter.com/realEdwardSzall/status/1686724865733070848?t=PRznAfZKi5AXeG-pEYR2PQ&s=19
Turns out, Gonzalo Lira did NOT make it past the Ukrainian border.
Transgender American who left his wife and children to become a girl in Ukraine brags on Ukrainian state TV about capturing the political prisoner.
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And Trump is widely expected to face one more set of charges
Over here, it's widely expected that Trump will face as many sets of charges as it takes. Long after he's dead, they will still be propping his corpse up in order to bring more charges.
Attorneys rejoice (at least the ones his corpse doesn’t stiff)
"Is Trump's Latest Indictment About Defending Democracy or Attacking Free Speech?"
Neither. This indictment, and the others, and the world record flurry of attempted and completed impeachments, is about the establishment left asserting their claim to the only righteous view of the nation and the world, and using (and expanding) government power. A person with some mid-level conspiracy inclinations might think the DNC-media industrial complex invented Trump just so they could swat him down, and justify the totalitarian steps they claimed necessary.
DOJ trying to swing an election by gish galloping with indictments.
“….mid level conspiracy inclinations….”
Yeah, he could be the fall guy for a major economic collapse “justifying” a great reset. Heck, he might even be in on it.
This of course would require him winning next year.
Whatever the script call for.
Nothing about Lizzo being sued for...*snicker* weight-shaming her dancers?
If true, damn, that is the most pot-kettle story I've ever seen.
Leave Lizzo alone. She's got enough on her plate already.
Not for long.
Assloss has never taken a good hard look at her to think her plate currently contains anything.
Hey, "The World Is Her Cart."
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https://www.ispot.tv/ad/b9oZ/instacart-the-world-is-your-cart-featuring-lizzo
Based on the comments, I don't know for sure if this is her, but it sure mimics her ear-wormy singing and Lizzo is part of Apartment List's investor group:
Lizzo Apartment List Commercial
https://www.reddit.com/r/CommercialsIHate/comments/145jbx8/lizzo_apartment_list_commercial/
Maybe she should form a new group called Lizzo Eat World.
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That’s a whale of a story
BREAKING: Never before seen footage of Ashley Biden CONFIRMING the famed “Biden Diary” is hers!
"I so afraid of him coming in the shower with me that I've waited until late at night, to take a shower" - Ashley Biden pages 67-68
Yeah. The confirmation of it being hers undoes yet another declaration of conspiracy. The entire diary can be found online. Some creepy shit about Joe.
We've known it was hers since the FBI (or was it the SS) raided Veritas for it.
What would "late at night" be for her dad? 5:30?
So maybe Joe was sleep-showering.
I will offer this excuse to Karine Jean-Pierre as my national service this month.
This sounds like a more provincial service...like for the folks in Deliverance country.
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Joe was just checking the weather in her shower.
Wanted to know how dinner was.
Joe Biden is by far the most corrupt and deviant president in the history of the republic. This was pretty well known in 2019 but the New Koch libertarians at Reason endorsed him anyway.
Dude, put your self in their Gucci knockoff shoes. It's 2020, and all the cool left wing liberals have lost their minds, and anyone claiming to be libertarian was not only Trump-adjacent but practically a Nazi collaborator. Reason staff just had to promote Biden, or get uninvited from all the best parties.
In China, the Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC) is linked with citizens' Digital IDs.
High-tech speed cameras instantly dock driver license points and deduct fines from the digital wallet of those who speed.
Efficiency!
*burmp*
.....John Spartan you are fined one credit for violating the verbal morality statue.....
Look. Free fucking toilet paper.
It beats having to figure out that three shells shit.
Also never do anything with your left hand, except you-know-what.
Civilized people use enough toilet tissue to put distance between their hand and ass, regardless of which hand they use.
"Is Trump's Latest Indictment About Defending Democracy or Attacking Free Speech?"
It's about trying to steal elections, and no, not 2020's.
No, the prosecutor doesn't have to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that Trump knew he lost election fair and square. The prosecutor's role, in this case, is to keep flinging mud at Trump until enough independent voters in swing states conclude that voting for Dr. Jill's husband, or Kamala Harris is preferable to voting for a guy covered with mud.
^This^
And to force Trump to have to spend so much money on legal fees that he's unable to mount an effective campaign. "The process is the punishment."
I thought he had billions of dollars? Isn’t he one of the richest people in the world? Why would he use precious campaign cash for his personal bills?
He’ll just use the new indictments to do another round of fundraising from the MAGA faithful.
Pretty sure most of his wealth, like most rich people, is in his various business ventures, properties, etc. Or are you one those retards who thinks all wealthy people are like Scrooge McDuck swimming around in a giant vault filled with gold coins?
Ahhh. Defending government pushing lawfare as a means to an end. Need to harm the target somehow eh?
https://twitter.com/PhilippusArabus/status/1686531823080259584?t=_5eDUU5ymgf80BxdzcuGpQ&s=19
Democracy is when you're held hostage within an indissoluble political union where your captors have imported an overwhelming number of foreigners to constantly harass, denigrate, displace and overrule you.
The WEF approves.
Oh...Like Putin imposed on Ukraine?
🙂
The irony is that I have no idea if he's talking about the USA or the EU.
"High school girls are drifting to the left while high school boys are drifting to the right."
The current cultural zeitgeist is middle school girl bullies, and a herd, not a pack.
Anybody wanna start a pool on when the Reason server will go down next?
It's probably those Green-imposed rolling blackout beginning in California.
"Save Electricity! Fumble Around In The Dark With A Friend!"
🙂
😉
Facts that no reasonable person can deny:
1. Trump lost the 2020 election.
2. Any "voter fraud" was minimal and not any worse then previous elections.
3. Trump know 1 and 2. He was told my many advisors.
4. Some of his efforts to overturn the election were outside of the legal process, such as pressuring legislators to change the results, pressuring the GA SoS to "find" votes. Pressuring the VP to reject valid EC votes.
Thus the following can be concluded:
1. Trump did not have an honest belief that the election was stolen.
2. What he did was very wrong. he was not respecting the wishes of the electorate, and if he somehow managed to get it "overturned" using illegal methods, he would have successfully committed the first coup in US history.
3. What Trump did was criminal.
When have you ever had contact with a reasonable person?
October 12, 2015, in Fredrick, MD.
Almost 8 years ago. Far too long a time.
That certainly explains your hot takes then.
This country is unique in the history of the world in that it has had a peaceful transition of power for nearly two and a half centuries.
Trump and his followers did their best to end that. Shame on him and them.
Lol. This transition to pushing liberal narratives is hilarious.
I know that you know that isn't even remotely true. You're a disgrace, Sarckles.
"Peacefully and patriotically" is not peaceful Sarc?
1- Can't "deny". Can question.
2,3- No reasonable person thinks these are facts, instead of assertions.
4- Lying is "facts" now?
Molly and "reasonable" don't even belong in the same universe.
Molly and reality have yet to be introduced.
Hey, Molly has her own reality and you are morally wrong to challenge that.
Which of those is there any legitimate evidence that they are untrue. Note that Rudy recently admitted that he was lying about voter fraud. Also note that the 2020 election was probably the most scrutinized election in history, with hundreds of very partisan Republicans looking for any evidence of fraud, and they all came up with nothing significant.
The fact you are lying here makes the rest of your assertions questionable. Rudy admitted to one of many claims being false. You then stretch this to cover the entirety of the claims. This is dishonest and quite obvious to any rational person what you're attempting to do.
Don't forget Tucker Carlson admitting to lying about voting machines (though the Trump Faithful still believe he was telling the truth).
How have you gotten this wrong so many times despite given links? He was one of the only ones to go after Powell regarding voting machines.
"Don’t forget Tucker Carlson admitting to lying about voting machines"
Can the one or two people here not muted by this retard give him a citation showing that Carlson was the only talent at Fox who most definitely did not agree with Sidney Powell and prompt the Dominion lawsuit.
After a while you can't even laugh at this delusional drunk any more. You just have to shake your head and say "fuck".
Repeated ignorance is his super power.
I know I'll catch some flak from him for it.
Mother's Lament 2 hours ago
“Don’t forget Tucker Carlson admitting to lying about voting machines”
Can the one or two people here not muted by this retard give him a citation showing that Carlson was the only talent at Fox who most definitely did not agree with Sidney Powell and prompt the Dominion lawsuit.
After a while you can’t even laugh at this delusional drunk any more. You just have to shake your head and say “fuck”.
From Tucker's mouth:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-rudy-giuliani-sidney-powell-election-fraud
For more than a week, Powell has been all over conservative media with the following story: This election was stolen by a collection of international leftists who manipulated vote tabulating software in order to flip millions of votes from Donald Trump to Joe Biden. The other day on television, Powell said of Trump that when the fraud is finally uncovered, "I think we'll find he had at least 80 million votes." In other words, rigged software stole about seven million votes in this election.
That's a long way of saying we took Sidney Powell seriously, with no intention of fighting with her. We've always respected her work and we simply wanted to see the details. How could you not want to see them? So we invited Sidney Powell on the show. We would have given her the whole hour. We would have given her the entire week, actually, and listened quietly the whole time at rapt attention.
But she never sent us any evidence, despite a lot of polite requests. When we kept pressing, she got angry and told us to stop contacting her. When we checked with others around the Trump campaign, people in positions of authority, they also told us Powell had never given them any evidence to prove anything she claimed at the press conference.
Powell did say that electronic voting is dangerous, and she's right, but she never demonstrated that a single actual vote was moved illegitimately by software from one candidate to another. Not one.
"I know I’ll catch some flak from him for it."
Nah, he'll just ghost the thread. It's his usual trick when he's given incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.
*7 hours later*
See.
Except he straight up called out Powel:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-rudy-giuliani-sidney-powell-election-fraud
Not really dealing with reasonable people here - a sad number of them think Trump is JFK Jr. No evidence will convince them otherwise.
I think Trump was a dramatically better President than the "Well, At Least He Died While Attractive For a Politician" JFK.
What about the sad number of gullible idiots who think he's Hitler or the Devil, and that the Dem's aren't deploying political prosecutions?
Does anyone really believe he is the Dark Lord incarnate? Never heard that before. Or Hitler for that matter - he would be 134 years old today; well, just slightly older than Trump is now, so I guess it’s plausible, but still haven’t heard anyone actually say that. Are there still people in Dallas waiting for Trump to transform into JFK Jr?
Take It From A Civil Liberties Professor – Trump And Hitler Have A Lot In Common
and
10 Ways That Trump Is Like Hitler
An American Führer? Nazi Analogies and the Struggle to Explain Donald Trump
and
Just How Similar Is Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler?
Let’s Actually Compare Trump to Hitler
and
Is Trump the new Hitler? Here's what a historian of Nazi Germany has to say
Leading Civil Rights Lawyer Shows 20 Ways Trump Is Copying Hitler's Early Rhetoric and Policies
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Here’s how Trump and Hitler are alike
Would Donald Trump supporters follow Hitler?
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Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
Trump ‘obviously admired Hitler,’ says Anne Frank’s stepsister
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The Uncanny Resemblance of the Beer Hall Putsch and the January 6 Insurrection
If 1920s Germany could punish Hitler for leading a coup attempt, why can’t America go after Trump?
The Scary Parallels Between Trump and Mussolini
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How Hitler’s Rise to Power Explains Why Republicans Accept Donald Trump
Trump, Christian 'Values Voters,' And The Nazi Comparison
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Is it wrong to compare Trump to Hitler? No.
Donald Trump is behaving like 1930s fascist dictator, explains Yale historian
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THIS IS WHY DONALD TRUMP SOUNDS AND ACTS LIKE ADOLF HITLER
In 2016, I identified four future developments that justify the Trump-Hitler comparison.
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Louis C.K. Compares Donald Trump to Hitler: ‘He’s an Insane Bigot’
I could go on and on for days, but I've made my point.
Lots of thread ghosting today.
Comparisons, yes - pretty much daily. Actual Lucifer or Hitler in the flesh? Haven’t heard that. Have heard from people being serious that he is JFK Jr., but those folks probably would say Harold Camping could predict the future. Or the brightest people.
"Comparisons, yes – pretty much daily. Actual Lucifer or Hitler in the flesh? Haven’t heard that."
Oww! Fuck!
I rolled my eyes too hard.
Haha. I appreciate when people make it obvious they’re not to be taken seriously though, so thanks conch.
he was not respecting the wishes of the electorate
Electorate? TRUMP DON"T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE GODDAMN ELECTORATE!
Power is all he cares about.
Neither did the Justice Department when they gave the illusion of credibility to the Cunt's®™ fairy tale about Trump colluding with the Russians®™ to steal the 2016 election.
The Durham Report exposed that.
Payback against these people is legally and ethically justified.
By the way, is your keyboard sticky from spanking it to underage porn?
"Power is all he cares about."
Which is why you guys were forced to lie, cheat, steal, corrupt, collude, fraud, extort, manipulate, exploit, spy, censor, and violate the constitution in a hundred thousand different ways just to keep him away from it.
You're like "Democracy's" heroes.
""Power is all he cares about.""
That's why a geriatric man with diminished mental and physical capacity is still in the Whitehouse. Can't let go of the Power. And it's probably not Biden that can't let go but whomever is propping him up.
And yet he left on the appointed day at the appointed time.
Fuck off, lying sack of shit.
Wrong woman, wrong hole. You sound like Hillary's cunt.
Jimmy Carter said Trump lost the 2016 election.
All of that is protected by the First Amendment.
That is beside the point.
The real coup was the Justice Department using its resources to provide the illusion of credibility to the Cunt's®™ (legally known as Hillary Rodham Clinton) fairy tale about how Trump colluded with the Russians®™ to steal the 2016 election.
Trump's actions were a counter-coup and payback!
Payback can not possibly be wrong.
I agree with you on everything up to “ 3. What Trump did was criminal.” I need to see some convincing evidence he did something that went outside his free speech rights.
There are many crimes that can be committed by words alone.
OK, then cite them.
Can't. They don't exist in the US.
Murder for Hire, Extortion, Blackmail, Terroristic Threats, Bribery, Many others.
Don’t disagree, but I’m reserving judgement to see if the prosecutor has something more.
Like what?
misgendering
Since when did that become a crime?
Don't you prog?
For an engineer with a post-grad degree this is little disappointing in it's presentation.
I don’t believe Molly is either of those.
Facts that no reasonable person can deny:
1. The 2020 election was like no “previous elections”.
2. The fog of covid hysteria and all the new election rules made it incredibly easy to cover the tracks of any potential foul play.
3. The 4 years prior provided zero evidence that the dems would not stoop to anything to get their way.
Thus, the following can be concluded:
1. Molly is a gullible idiot.
Or a partisan liar.
^This!^
At this stage I think it is self evident
https://twitter.com/tpinnock/status/1685385778254213122?t=ccWGOf2Yz9X_kx-uhtUIFg&s=19
This is such dangerous rhetoric.
How would you feel if someone started dragging corporate journalists into the street and causing them grievous bodily harm?
Meh
Are "giddy" and "ecstatic" synonyms?
Are these government-sanctioned journalists or heretics?
How would you feel if someone started dragging corporate journalists into the street and causing them grievous bodily harm?
About like this.
"Erect"
I will be interested to see if the former President's lawyers approach the defense in the same way it is being portrayed in public as a first amendment right. The prosecutor has claimed the former President knew he lost the election. The indictment suggests the thrust of this argument will be that trusted advisors told the President he lost. Also, that the President was inconsistent in his claim, accepting loss in private while not in public. I wonder if the defense can refute these without direct testimony from the accused? If so, would they risk allowing their client to testify?
All he has to say is "Oh yeah? Democrats did it first!" and he's absolved of any guilt.
Oh, wait. You mean that doesn't work in court? Rut ro.
Stunning political analysis sarc. Trump bad therefore guilty. Government decides the truth and you must be punished for disagreeing.
The 14th amendment requires equal application of the law. Showing the law is being applied unequally would be a valid defense.
Which statute that he is being charged with has been applied unequally, and to whom?
Be specific. Vague whining about Hillary or Hunter doesn't count.
So you ask who has not been charged. Then you dismiss the very people you ask about in the first question? Lol.
Espionage act: Obama, pence, Hillary, Comey, Biden.
Election Fraud: any election suit ever submitted to the courts. They all seek to change the outcome of elections. So Gore, Elias, Kerry, etc.
Obstruction of Congress: BLM riots, Kavanaugh hearings, and others.
Destruction of evidence: Hillary and her team, Mueller and his team.
Are you truly this much of a leftist simp you won’t even admit to obvious political execution of the law? Even Mike is hedging on that claim above.
When even Laursen has doubts, take pause. He typically has TDS with the worst of them.
Difficulty. The vast majority of states refused to investigate claims. Stating there is knowledge without investigation is putting blind faith in government to determine truth. Then again you and sarc are loyal soldiers of government institutions.
Imagine applying this to all citizens. Appeals courts aren't needed. The government decided guilt. So stop complaining.
This is simply nonsense. Claim after claim was investigated, ballots were counted and recounted. This is heart of the prosecution argument. Trump was told time and again that his claims of fraud did not hold up. Not by Democrats, but by his own people and in some cases his own family. Your problem is not that claims were not investigated, but that the investigation did not find the answers you wanted.
Yes. Your entire post was nonsense. Recounting ballots doesn’t investigate legality of said ballots. The majority of trumps claims were regarding illegal votes. Such as stated on the call to Ga that you’ve been given the transcripts to. In the same call Raffensburger declines to investigate. The same thing happened in Wisconsin, PA, Nevada. Arizona did it somewhat.
So again your post was nonsense.
My problem is morons like yourself. And especially you defending the criminalization of someone disagreeing with the government which is what these charges are.
If you bothered to read the transcripts you so often refer to, you would see that Raffensperger repeatedly explains to the former President that the fraud charges have been investigated and found to be false and that the count is good. And if you actually read the transcripts you will see it is Brad Raffensperger, not Brad Raffensburger.
Az had the CyberNinja audit that found that Biden had more votes than first reported.
In Wisconsin the 2020 election was audited by the Wisconsin Legislative Audit Bureau, investigated by the Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty both found Biden won.
The fact that you don't like the results of the investigations does not mean they were not done.
Why do you continue to lie when anyone can read the fucking transcript?
Anyone can read them and yet it appears you have not done so. Read them yourself and then you can get the right spelling of Raffensperger. You will also see that he told the President that the count was correct.
Oh ho!
Couldn't get him on substance, but he misspelled "Raffensperger"!!! You got him now!
Anyone who misspells such a common, easy name like "Raffensperger" obviously hasn't read the transcript!
The fact is that JA doesn't seem to know what is in the transcripts. He doesn't realize that SOS Brad Raffensperger is trying to explain that the count is correct and Trump's allegations are false. The misspelling of the Raffensperger name is just the tell.
The only thing misspelling "Raffensperger" tells, is that German names are awkward.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Hey retard. I've posted from the transcript directly to you and provided you the link a half dozen times. Lol.
"Claim after claim was investigated"
No they weren't. Judges refused to even hear the merits let alone allow an investigation.
"ballots were counted and recounted."
But almost never audited. Counting phony ballots a second time won't change the fact that they're phony.
This was the most secure, fair election ever. This was widely reported right after the election before anyone could actually verify that. Sure believe the media. They are totally fair and arbitrary. /S
Thats a great narrative you wrote.
That is because these charges violate the First Amendment.
“I wonder if the defense can refute these.”
Oh, is that the rule now? Cuz I wonder if the prosecutor can prove it that he didn’t believe what he said he believed.
Idiot.
The biggest takeaway of the indictment is that should Trump win in 2024, there is no way he is leaving office willingly and peacefully when his term is up
When did Trump discuss the 22A (presidential term limit)? This has to be the biggest dumbass takeaway.
You might want to hold off on the dumbest take award. Jeffy, strawcasmic, and the pedo haven't submitted their entries yet.
Checkmated! I concede.
When did Trump ever give a shit about the Constitution?
He once used a copy to wipe his ass after eating some tainted fish at Mara'Largass.
Other than that? Never.
I said about, not to.
Spiritus Mundi was right, SaGN. The dumbest takes were yet to come.
You got a cite for that, pedo?
He never took over state control during covid which really angered you.
On January 20, 2021. Just to name one.
*You know what really ticks me off? If I don’t preface any comment regarding this asshole with some “I don’t like the man and didn’t vote for him” someone (not going to name names) will come along and call me a Trump cultist or whatever. And if I do preface it, it just looks like virtue signaling. Fuck everyone that has brought dialogue to this point.* end rant
So you’re saying you support Biden.
"...Trump "widely disseminated his false claims of election fraud for months, despite the fact that he knew, and in many cases had been informed directly, that they were not true,"..."
Misek approves the indictment. Those of us who understand A1 agree Smith is full of shit.
The case against Trump: Solid
The case against Hunter Biden/Joe Biden: Nuanced, complicated, always juxtaposed with Trump.
That has been Sullum's beat lately.
Nah. As was explained in a recent podcast with Nick the Jacket, Hillary knew how to play the D.C. game, Hunter knew how to play the D.C. game, but Trump was a Bull in a China Shop, and did not follow the D.C. norms.
And it's all his fault. He had all the time in the world to return the documents, for example. Repeated requests and subpoenas and everything.
Even so, he's still being treated with kid gloves, because anyone else outside of the D.C. cultural sphere would already be in jail for similar acts.
"...Even so, he’s still being treated with kid gloves, because anyone else outside of the D.C. cultural sphere would already be in jail for similar acts."
See what TDS does to a half-wit?
Who knew facing 240 years was kids gloves.
Brandybuck wanted summary execution.
1. Why should anyone need to play the DC game? It's a shitty game that is hurting the American public for DC's own gain.
2. The DC norms deserve a bull in the proverbial china shop. They need to be broken, permanently.
3. How is not playing the crap-ass DC game Trump's fault? Fuck their game.
4. The documents were, at best, a dispute between NARA and Trump, and did not need interference from the FBI or any other DC agency.
5. He's hardly being treated with kid gloves. Compare Trump's treatment to the Biden scandal.
Exactly why we need a raft of Trumps in DC.
The swamp critters have been living off rent for years and they are terrified that someone like Trump could show up and de-rail the gravy train.
There are billions of dollars at stake here and the critters are scared.
More than money is at stake here. It's better than any and all the money. It's power.
The gravy train is what keeps those in power, in power.
Also literally TRILLIONS of dollars at stake
> The DC norms deserve a bull in the proverbial china shop. They need to be broken, permanently.
Sure, I agree. But the law is still the law, and one should not be breaking the law to point out that the DC norms are bad. What Hillary did is NOT an excuse for Trump breaking the law. What Hunter did is not a free pass for Trump.
Surely there's a way to drain the swamp without having to add more crocodiles to the swamp.
Brandy literally just endorsed political use of the law. Lol.
But brandyshit is a Libertarian! Just ask the asshole.
Libertarians for selective application of law!
Nah. As was explained in a recent podcast with Nick the Jacket, Hillary knew how to play the D.C. game, Hunter knew how to play the D.C. game, but Trump was a Bull in a China Shop, and did not follow the D.C. norms.
By the way, I agree with that, and that has been repeated by others-- I can't remember the podcast, but that was the argument that was put forward. Hillary/Biden/Clinton corruption was erudite, learned, Trump was crude, outsider's corruption and he failed to hire DC lawyers who would get on the phone with another DC lawyer and make deals. Explain how that doesn't make us a 3rd world banana republic?
"...Explain how that doesn’t make us a 3rd world banana republic?"
If for nothing else, we should be thankful to Trump for exposing this sort of systematic corruption.
We are definitely well on "The Road to Banana Republic", starring Bob Hope and Bing Crosby.
The way out of this mess is to hold people accountable for their actions, and not to keep excusing Trump by saying "but they did it too!"
One sided execution of the laws based on political party is the way out of a banana republic? Tell us more.
At least someone at Reason plugged in the server this morning.
Sullum took the gerbil out of his pants.
LO-fucking-L
Yeah (NSFW).
One of the best typos in a long time.
Also, “black women hardest hit.”
I worked night shift in an industrial area adjacent to the Phoenix red light district (such as it is) for years.
The hos are all black down there, ENB. Please stop with the “disparate affect” bullshit. It’s not helping.
Trump has not been found guilty. And of course these indictments are political.
But they are still real and serious charges. That there is a circus perpetually going on around him (both by him and by those foes who choose to orbit about him) does not negate that fact. A day in court is fully warranted.
It doesn't matter what Hunter did, what Hillary did, these indictments are not against them. If Trump is found guilty of these crimes, then he deserves just punishment. As a former president prison time is unwarranted. But disbarment from ever holding office again would be appropriate. But ONLY if found guilty.
I'm not sure he's guilty. I think he genuinely believes the inner monologue inside his head, genuinely believes the shit his idiot lawyers told him, that his narcissist personality leads him to the delusion that he rightfully won the election, that he rightfully owns the documents he took from the White House, that there is a Grand Conspiracy against him personally, and that life just is not fair. So I think he's not guilty on this basis. So legally he might not be culpable. In either case, he's unfit to ever serve in office again.
“But they are still real and serious charges.”
TDS-addled shit admits to TDS. Fuck off and die.
The problem is, the alleged acts in the indictment are not crimes.
This is just like the indictment of Rick Perry.
Obstruction of Justice is not a crime? Since when?
Process crimes are celebrated by libertarians? Since when?
Special counsel charges Trump with conspiracy to defraud the U.S.
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The indictment accuses Trump of taking part in three criminal conspiracies: "to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud and deceit" to obstruct the electoral vote process; to "impede the January 6 congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified;" and "against the right to vote and to have that vote counted."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-indicted-jan-6-grand-jury-2020-election-rcna95199
No "incitement to riot" at all.
Donnie's crimes consist of what he does best - fraud and conning people as the most corrupt president in US history.
Georgia will use its RICO law to convict the Con Man. It was recently used to convict a rapper named Young Thug. Just call Fatass Donnie "Old Thug".
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
That's funny since you defend the biggest con man to ever occupy the White House.
Nothing the indictment alleged Trump did actually constitutes fraud against the United States.
By the way, is your keyboard sticky from spanking it to underage porn?
In a sane world our treasury bonds would be considered junk bonds.
Yeah, between IL, CA, and Ukraine's bond ratings and the FedGov's directly and rather inextricably tying themselves to those entities, the people doing the ratings have a pretty clear case of pro-State optimism.
"If you continue to throw away unprecedented amounts of money without even the faintest illusion of making it back, if not, with all the documented systemic corruption, openly admitting that you're knowingly just flushing it down the toilet, we'll be forced to downgrade your credit rating from perfect to slightly less than perfect."
The people doing the ratings seem to know that the US government would do anything, regardless of legality or ethics, to avoid default.
I think SCO Smith and others are skipping a few steps in tying Trump to defrauding the government and conspiracy to violate rights.
Like it or not, there's no right for Americans to elect a President.
The actual election happens in the electoral college. States can certify whichever electors they choose. Hell, the latest scheme by Democrats to try to take control of the Presidency in perpetuity (NPVIC) relies on this very fact.
Yet SCO Smith has transferred a right to vote for a slate of electors (which Smith doesn't even allege was violated) into a right to choose a president. Not only that, but he then morphed this into a 'Defrauding the United States', with the US gov't as a stand-in for the people's non-existent right to elect a President.
The leaps that SCO Smith has taken to get here looks more like talking points from the DNC.
It'd be funny if this wasn't an actual indictment. Instead, it's just sad.
Like it or not, there’s no right for Americans to elect a President.
Correct, but there is a Constitutional process that must be followed. That is what Fatass Donnie tried to intervene and obstruct. His acts were blatantly criminal.
Hardly, pedo dork. You have any actual citations and evidence, or are you just #DefendingBidenAtAllCosts?
Every election lawsuit is an attempt to intervene retard. They have been happening for 200 years. That is what the courts are for.
turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Correct, but there is a Constitutional process that must be followed
And Trump followed it by challenging the outcomes in various state and federal courts. He followed it by have alternate electors on standby if courts or states would award electoral votes to him.
No, he illegally replaced the legitimate electors with the fraudulent ones and tried to force Pence into reading them into the record.
He needed 4-5 states to pull off the fraud and had the electors lined up for the day.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
And again you are 100% wrong as usual. The alternate states were never signed by the state SoS and were not officially asserted forms.
turd is not only dishonest, he's a stupid fuck besides.
You got a cite or evidence for that, Pluggo? I want actual fucking links.
No, he didn't replace anybody.
In order to challenge a Presidential election, you have to have your alternate slate of electors cast their ballots when Congress says that ballots must be cast. Votes cast on other days are not valid.
Back in the 1800s, candidates even sent conflicting slates of electoral votes to Congress. Congress merely picked one set of votes and didn't count the other. What Trump did was challenge the election outcomes in various states and had his alternate electors cast their ballots. These electors were not valid unless Trump won in court. However, if he did win, the only way his electors could be counted is if they had already cast ballots that would then be counted.
"Fraudulent electors" is not a correct way of describing them. Contingent electors is.
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No, he didn’t replace anybody.
In order to challenge a Presidential election, you have to have your alternate slate of electors cast their ballots when Congress says that ballots must be cast. Votes cast on other days are not valid.
Back in the 1800s, candidates even sent conflicting slates of electoral votes to Congress. Congress merely picked one set of votes and didn’t count the other. What Trump did was challenge the election outcomes in various states and had his alternate electors cast their ballots. These electors were not valid unless Trump won in court. However, if he did win, the only way his electors could be counted is if they had already cast ballots that would then be counted.
“Fraudulent electors” is not a correct way of describing them. Contingent electors is."
Well put
Of course, Americans have a right to elect our President. We do it every four years.
What you probably meant to say is that we don’t directly elect the President.
Of course, Americans have a right to elect our President. We do it every four years.
No, you don't have a right to vote at all, nor do you have a right to elect any particular President. There's no right to vote in the Constitution, and even today voting is extended by the kind grace of various state and federal laws. Some states have voting rights in their own state constitutions, but not even a state can override the Constitution's commandments on whom can actually cast ballots for the President.
What you mean to say is that I'm technically correct- the best kind of correct, btw! You have an indirect vote for President because the state you're in allows for it, but this isn't a right recognized by the Federal constitution.
… voting is extended by the kind grace of various … federal laws
Exactly! That protect your right to vote!
You have a cite for that, sealion?
So you understood nothing of what he wrote.
The vote privilege has been modified many times. Age, sex, land owning status, criminal status.
this would be a fun game to play with covid claims
I watch Fox News for entertainment and they did not disappoint last night.
It was hilarious watching them furiously pedal the fake JOE BIDEN PHONE CALL SCANDAL! to avoid/counteract Fatass Donnie's multiple felony indictments.
Hannity was gulping for air in between his lies.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
peddle
You're an idiot, and the word is "peddle", not "pedal". One is to sell something, the other is what you do with a bicycle.
Let's not forget the guitarists who thrive on distortion.
A good wah-wah pedal is always fun.
How does it compare to CNN and MSNBC's "Joe just REALLY loved his son, ya know"?
Also, any thoughts on the diaries where it was discovered that Joe insisted on showering with his daughter inappropriately to the point she had to schedule her showers at times she thought might prevent him from doing that --- being shown to be 100% hers?
Joe loves his son so much he constantly calls him at dinner ti make sure the weather is okay.
I wait until my son's at dinner to call and tell him I'm at dinner. It's kind of an inside family joke like "Who's on first... on their way to committing treason?"
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ashley-biden-diary-afraid/
“That said, for good measure we skimmed through all 112 pages of the PDF file that is alleged to be a reproduction of that diary and found nothing resembling this quote.”
Hey Mikey boy. You know the pdf is available. You can go read the actual words from the diary and not rely on someone else to tell you what to think.
I notice this is a habit of yours. To not read the primary source but then repeat the second hand opinion of a favored journalist instead.
You did it yesterday too trying to dismiss video and transcripts of the PP CEO and mammograms by citing a WaPo narrative around it instead.
Before of after the GOP ratfuckers like O'Keefe alter the files?
You should know that the files on Hunter's "laptop" were altered well after it was found?
You got a cite and a link for that, pedo-boy?
We might need to inquire about the absurd abuse of power to even have the FBI involved in selling of property left behind at a location.
She was not a government official. There was zero claims that it was stolen.
So why were they involved --- at all?
“There was zero claims that it was stolen.”
Yes there were. Please read the Snopes links I provided.
Ashley admitted she left it behind in a room she was staying in. How does that claim even change the words in the diary white Mike?
Pages 67 and 68 are the pages relating to the showers by the way.
Can I read something factual? They also never said it was stolen. Which is the only thing that might give one pause. Given that Snopes would not know the truth if it shit in their mouth.
The FBI never claimed once it was stolen. Nobody ever claimed it was stolen.
Whatever, dude. You aren’t interested in facts.
Provide the verbatim quote in the article you are jerking off over about it being stolen.
It.
Is.
Not.
There.
Here’s the quote from the second of the two Snopes articles I cited, which you would have seen if you had read it:
“In October 2021, the FBI had opened an investigation into ‘stolen property,’ including a journal, belonging to Ashley Biden after "a representative of the Biden family reported that several of Ms. Biden's personal items had been stolen in a burglary."
Mike, that doesn’t prove it was stolen. Just means an investigation was opened. And hilariously right after it was posted online and used to go and grab everything Projecg Veritas owned before a judge stopped the FBI.
Who would have thought a druggie in the Biden family would forget things and leave them behind....
Snopes is far less credible than it once may have been.
Who in their right mind would click a link sent by spb
Keep your inane conspiracies to yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy
In November 2022, CBS News published a forensic analysis it commissioned, which examined a "clean" copy of the data obtained directly from the repair shop operator. That analysis concluded that the "clean" data, including over 120,000 emails, originated with Hunter Biden and had not been altered, contrasting that to other copies circulated by Republican operatives, which "could have been tampered with".[2] The Washington Post reported that experts at their request had authenticated a number of emails, including one that was the subject of the New York Post reporting.[3] The drive analyzed for The Washington Post lacked a clear chain of custody, and was considered "a mess" and "a disaster" from a forensic standpoint by the two analysts.[3] It contains emails marked to and from Hunter Biden[4] and other digital files relating to him.
Two forensic analysts who independently examined the data for The Washington Post[3] authenticated 1,828 and 22,000 emails, respectively, of the almost 129,000 emails on the hard drive in 2022. Neither analyst could verify the vast majority of the data, nor could they find clear evidence of tampering but they note "key pieces of evidence useful in discovering tampering were not available." In some cases, The Post matched content to other sources "that the experts were not able to assess". The unverifiable emails included some prominently reported previously by other news outlets. The analysis found that people other than Hunter Biden had created six new folders on the drive over a week after the original report by the New York Post and months after the laptop had been taken into FBI custody. It also found that data had been accessed and copied off the drive by people other than Hunter Biden over the course of nearly three years.
So shrike was wrong. Why did you reply to damisek?
So maybe more GOP ratfucking than "Russian misinformation"?
Or are the two terms synonymous?
Okay, BOTH IT IS!
Do you not know what a primary source is shrike? The laptop is an example of one.
The verbatim quote was "Hyper-sexualized @ a young age … I remember somewhat being sexualized with [a family member]; I remember having sex with friends @ a young age; showers w/ my dad (probably not appropriate)"
Shocking that Snopes did not find a quote that nobody ever alleged she wrote.
You didn’t read the Snopes links, did you?
Imagine relying on snopes as the arbiter of truth.
It's pretty clear you did not.
A three-year-old’s reply.
No, a three-year-old's reply is to put both fingers in his ears and ignore the evidence around him and provided for him. Just like you do when you mute 95% of the commentariat, Laursen.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/03/27/ashley-biden-diary-officially-confirmed/
“Claims that a court or special master have made statements that confirm the diary's authenticity are a misreading of legal documents.”
Ashley is literally on tape admitting it is hers. What the actual fuck?
Yeah, it's one of those fact checks that says "It's true, but since it hurts Democrats, it's misleading."
Because Democrats can't deal with the stress of being wrong about something, these 'fact checkers' have to contextualize things so they don't get hurt feelz.
Sure thing. You have given no refutation to their fact checking.
The video of her stating it is hers is proof dumdum.
Recordings exist of her saying it was hers.
Cite please.
Nah. You ask for cites for things like election returns. I do not take your requests for cites as serious or sincere.
So you are copping out. Got it.
Did you notice I provided two cites. Because I gladly provide cites when asked, and often before being asked.
The cite you are asking for is already provided you retarded shit.
No, I am not humoring a disingenuous troll.
LOL, you copped out.
The cite was posted above by ML but you hide behind mutes to remain ignorant, playing your sea lion games.
LOL, you think cites from snopes are valid.
You deserve to be clubbed like the sea lion you are
It is cited in this morning's comment section you retarded shit. You've been given your fucking cite already.
“she had to schedule her showers”
Can you provide a cite on this part? Wasn’t it past of the accusation that she a little kid at the time? Do little kids typically schedule their own day?
Yes. Her fucking diary.
Imagine writing 3 posts to rush to defend Joe biden on this.
Yeah. Her diary.
https://reason.com/2023/08/02/is-trumps-latest-indictment-about-defending-democracy-or-attacking-free-speech/?comments=true#comment-10180385
So intellectually dishonest he prefers a narrative to a primary source. Never change Mike.
Dishonest or just not very intelligent?
Both.
You’ve got nuthin so you resort to personal insults.
That wasn't exactly an insult. An insult would've been calling you a fucktard or something like that.
I REFUSE TO BELIEVE! LA LA LA LA LA!
The good news for America and Americans is that Trump will almost certainly win the election in 2024. Hopefully, DeSantis will accept Trump's offer to be VP on the winning ticket.
Can't do it.
Both from Florida, thus Florida's electoral votes wouldn't count.
And DeSantis has proven himself to be 100% swamp.
Crazy that an Ivy League lawyer who's spent his whole career on the public dime and is totally reliant on establishment donors would turn out that way, I know.
A (theoretically, in a non fortified election) unbeatable ticket would be Trump with RFK Jr as VP.
• High school girls are drifting to the left while high school boys are drifting to the right.
Do I need to guess which group represents a problem?
I clicked through the article and wasn't TOO horrified, although it had to explain the reason for young boys drifting right as a nefarious online algorithmic plot of indoctrination, whereas female leftward drift was an honest reaction to mean tweets and misogyny.
But then as I scrolled to the bottom of the page, I saw this article.
Sex trafficking victims or sex-workers? You decide.
Sex trafficking is a qanon myth.
It depends on the nature of 'tip' involved.
Just the tip?
Not to jump on the Qanon bandwagon with both feet, but after the recent CP charges against the lead investigator, not to mention the general background of male feminism, I'm inclined to go at least 70/30 between "teen girls actually are drifting left"/"Daniel De Vise is simping/luring teen girls left".
Wasn't one of the primary qanon "debunkers" just arrested for child porn/molestation?
Um, yes, now that you mention it.
https://nypost.com/2023/07/21/ex-abc-news-reporter-james-gordon-meek-faces-minimum-5-years-in-child-porn-case/
Disgraced former ABC News reporter James Gordon Meek is facing at least five years in prison after pleading guilty to child pornography in a Virginia federal court Friday.
Meek, a once-acclaimed national security journalist, was hit with the federal charges in February roughly 10 months after the FBI raided his Arlington, Va., home April 27, 2022, seizing his electronics.
In one troubling message, Meek allegedly asked someone on a chat app, “Have you ever raped a toddler girl? It’s amazing.” And in another message he shared a perverted fantasy of “abducting, drugging, and raping” a 12-year-old girl.
Meek served as a senior counterterrorism advisor and investigator for the US House Committee on Homeland Security starting in 2011.
BTW, Pluggo, they're coming for you next!
the reason for young boys drifting right as a nefarious online algorithmic plot of indoctrination, whereas female leftward drift was an honest reaction to mean tweets and misogyny.
Of course it is. Although I'd be curious how much boys are "drifting to the right" versus staying roughly as "right" or "left" as they've always been while the Overton window shifts further left.
“High school girls are drifting to the left while high school boys are drifting to the right.”
This gives me some hope.
Not to worry, those boys will lurch to the left once they realize they need to simp harder if they want to get any pussy and the easiest way to get laid is to pretend to be a "male feminist."
Then watch the women demanding men to be beta cucks complain about men not having the same characteristics of conservative men.
They could be smart and look overseas for wives. American women for collecting loads and foreign women to be actual wives.
Hey...young American women happily say they do not need men. So...good luck with that.
American women for collecting loads and foreign women to be actual wives.
"You can't turn a ho into a housewife." - Tupac Shakur
this is absolutely incorrect.
These right wing boys who work out and act bold will get all the girls even the ones who think they hate non-feminist men. Those ones especially actually.
These right wing boys who work out and act bold will get all the girls
There’s a lot of truth to that in high school, for sure. Which may also explain some of the “drifting to the right” among HS boys (although I still question how much they’re actually drifting to the right vs. the Overton Window shifting leftward, but whatever).
However, once they reach college, some of the guys who were “nerds” or just didn’t workout or play sports in HS will realize that there’s an easier way to get at least some pussy, maybe not all the pussy but at least some. And that’s to pretend to drink the left wing cool-aid* and act like “male feminists” so they can get some. Granted, they won’t be banging the really hot chicks – they’ll still be fucking the guys who “work out and act bold” – but they’ll be able to at least get some of the blue haired fugly leftovers. Although why they would want to, I don’t know.
* Of course, some of those guys will end up drinking the cool-aid for real (college is still where the indoctrination really gets ramped up to 11, after all), and basically become little Joss Whedon clones.
Edit: Also, since when did working out and acting bold become a right wing thing? Didn't they used to just call that "learning to be a man?"
Some headlines from my local paper:
In current, sitting Presidential news:
Fact check: Biden said his son earned no money from China. His son says otherwise.
That's it.
you think you hate journalists but you dont hate them enough.
+1 Masking kids and keeping them out of school was the symptom, not the disease.
"...‘Dishonesty, fraud, deceit’: Read the newest indictment of Trump..."
"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"
Obama looks at the ceiling and whistles softly...
>>But the indictment argues that Trump's actions went far beyond these protected activities. Not everyone agrees.
I hope you're serious enough about your job to not agree.
Given that their job is to push the preferred media narrative with a thin veneer of libertarianism, prepare for disappointment.
You don’t have to spend your life’s precious minutes hanging out at a website you don’t like.
Likewise, Laursen. You don't have to spend your life’s precious minutes hanging out in a comment section that doesn't like you.
Saying shit that is obviously, blatantly false.
>>... tweeted the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University.
Centers are people too. ~~Citizens United
Hey, now! Don't make me come over there and inflict some damage Butkus-style. - Bill Swerski
DITka!
>>often leading to people being arrested for ho they are dressed.
Sigmund Freud on line 2 ...
Forget the historic crimes of Donnie!
What about the HUNTER BIDEN PHONE CALL SCANDAL! HE WAS ON THE PHONE WITH JOE, NIGGAS! ON THE PHONE!
(using Chapelle voice)
Remember that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Well, I guess we've gone from "Joe Biden didn't know anything about his son's business dealings with a company under investigation by a Ukrainian prosecutor that Joe Biden personally had removed" to "Ok, he was on the phone during the call, but just 'cause he was on the phone doesn't like, mean anything, man"
And:
“Yes, he was on the phone, but he was just offering the appearance of access and he never had any monetary interest.”
I got controlling interest in the north anchorage of a bridge and can offer you really good terms!
They’re just following the standard script:
1. It’s not happening, that’s just some crazy righ-wing conspiracy.
2. OK, it is happening, but it’s not as bad or as much as much you think.
3. OK, OK, it is happening as much as you think, but it’s actually a good thing.
Right now they're on step 2.
When does it turn into "That's old news"?
I guess I forgot a couple of steps:
4. Find something else to distract people with (like, say, some rich assclowns in a poorly built submersible dying, or congressional UFO hearings).
5. Yell "That's old news!" at anyone who still brings it up.
So, step 5.
According to Archer it went something like this:
Hunter is in a meeting with Burisma people.
Joe calls Hunter.
Hunter - "Just a minute guys. Its my dad"
Niceties are exchanged.
Call ends.
Meeting resumes.
OMG OMG! INFLUENCE PEDDLING!
yes.
Anybody who has ever been in a professional situation of any sort:
Did ANYBODY ever have anybody in a meeting call their parents? EVER?
You can sit this one out, SPB, because pedos cannot have actual professional occupations.
Joe calls Hunter.
Work on your reading skills, shit-head.
Again, why would Joe call over 20 times when Hunter is in the middle of a "business call"? He was om speaker phone and spoke to the business associates all of those times. Why in the hell would anybody do that REPEATEDLY?
Take the 5 year old dick out of your mouth and try and think, pedo.
20 times over 4-5 years?
You're an idiot.
Nobody can name ONE time they had their parents on speakerphone talking to their business associates.
One time --- ever.
This happened 20 times...bare minimum.
I know you've never had a job, but that is, literally, never done.
Well, unless you're peddling influence.
None of us had a dad who is Vice President.
Yes, it was scummy and unethical for Hunter Biden and to trade on his dad’s name, and, yes, it was scummy and unethical for Joe Biden to not quash it.
And there may have been bribery, but to get Joe a smoking gun must be produced. One hasn’t.
Sealion, oh sealion. Evidence has been given many times over for those who pay attention and listen. Obviously, you're not among them.
There also have been many who've had fathers as VP, but why would Joe call Hunter several times in the middle of a business deal?
Provided one ignores the comingling of bank accounts (meaning Hunter's money was Joe's)
The numerous SAR from banks.
The on-camera bragging of a quid pro quo from Joe.
Comments from the people paying them.
The bank accounts are a good point, and Comer should be able to find a smoking gun there if there is one.
The Oversight Committee moves so slowly.
“ The on-camera bragging of a quid pro quo from Joe.”
That you brought that one up shows your lack of seriousness. We all know that he was carrying out White House policy, backed by international allies.
WE don’t know that. You believe it because your masters told you so.
https://twitter.com/mazemoore/status/1686934857643950080
"That you brought that one up shows your lack of seriousness. We all know that he was carrying out White House policy, backed by international allies."
1) We do not know.
2) I thought the WH had no right to withhold ANY monies earmarked by Congress. Trump was impeached over an allegation he did that. He didn't, mind you, but he was impeached over it.
Joe should use the “perfect call” defense.
Might run afoul of his "I never once spoke to his business associates ever" defense he has used for years.
20+ times to discuss the weather. Sure. That sounds plausible.
Not credible at all. I don’t disagree with your.
I am one of those who disagree.
From the WSJ editorial.
Two of these constitute petitions to the government for the redress of grievances.
As others have pointed out, the Hawaii precedent allows for the substitute electors.
The legal case, as in the case that the alleged facts constitute an offense, has to be a slam dunk; otherwise there would be reasonable doubt which can not be overcome.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/08/02/doj-indictment-of-trump-is-a-declaration-of-war-against-american-voters/
but what do reputable qUaLiTy news sources have to say?
“And the voting rights charge relates to the ways in which his conduct could have deprived the American people of the right to choose their president.”
The American people do not have the right to choose their President. They have the right to choose the electors from their respective states, who in turn cast their votes for the President in accordance with the law of their respective states.
Does the President have the right to replace electors chosen by voters with his hand-picked electors?
It is not a crime to do so.
That does not mean he has the right, otherwise, his hand-chosen electors would be seated.
turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled asshole, a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
tylertusta hit the exact same talking point above.
It’s not a talking point, it’s just plain facts that a seventh grade civics class should have imparted on you.
Totally not a leftist.
in 2016 there was an entire ad campaign with hollywood celebrities urging electors to defect and pick Hillary.
No surprise commenters don't give a shit about govt spending via debt except as some sort of signaling.
Fuck you, cut spending.
WTF are you even talking about?
Orange.
Man.
Bad!
Not a Trump supporter but I wouldn't go to David French for an opinion. He can't think objectively when it comes to Trump.
Nor anything else. He's shown his "beliefs" are up for sale to the highest bidder.
He has no core beliefs at all.
He can’t think
objectively when it comes to Trump.FTFY.
Beyond belief that Trump has an army of apologits defending his right to lie constantly. And at the same time they are quite willing to nominate him for another term. I would understand their gripe if they were to defend free speech and then turn around and then clearly say they will not support his campaign. That would be a nod toward integrity.
And how shameful would it be to say he can't be guilty because he "believed" there was fraud and so it was not a lie and thus, it is protected free speech. How could anyone vote for a guy soo stupid as to believe something that everyone else knows is untrue and repeatedly told him? You would trust this guy to run your country? And yet they will vote for him because Hunter Biideen tried to scoore off his dad's brand. Hmmm, y'all think Ivanka and Jared are self-made? Or have they benefitted from someone else's brand?
Whatever. This is all just a waste of time right? Might makes....
lol if you think any of this is about actual crimes or what actually happened or not, y ou're not gonna make it.
The TDS is strong in this one.
"Beyond belief that Trump has an army of apologits defending his right to lie constantly..."
Beyond belief that TDS-addled steaming piles of lefty shit like this lie in this manner and are entirely too stupid to recognize it.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
imagine thinking that only the politicians you dont like are liars.
“How could anyone vote for a guy soo stupid as to believe something that everyone else knows is untrue and repeatedly told him?”
That’s the rub. He only gets about 30% of the vote. If the GOP wheels his fat ass out there as the nominee, they are going to get smoked. People don’t like to vote for losers.
Sad not pointing that the survey of high school kids showed that both political leanings are actually in a heavy minority compared to unaffiliated/independent. Seemed like a good opportunity to push another party/political philosophy but unfortunately I don't think the author's agenda/directive is that.
This is amusing.
Nina Burleigh, in the New Republic, is quite concerned about RFK Jr’s history of womanizing.
Nina, mind you, is the reporter who said she’d happily give Bill Clinton a blowjob for keeping abortion legal.
Consistency abounds.
Every single post-wall harpy who complains about a celebrity male's 'womanizing' is just jealous. That's it. It's that simple.
I thought Kennedy womanizing was supposed to be celebrated? (except when driving them off of a bridge)
As I wrote here previously, it's the manifesting of prostitution, not so much prostitution itself, that people object to. Maybe manifesting it could be made illegal while the act itself is legalized.
So outlaw dressing slutty? That might not pass constitutional muster.
Robert Bowers, murderer, sentenced to death for Tree of Life synagogue murders. Took too long. Now it will be an interminable wait until he gets the needle.
Schiff "widely disseminated his false claims of Russian collusion for months, despite the fact that he knew, and in many cases had been informed directly, that they were not true," states the indictment.
/fixed
But he's not guilty of being Donald Trump, so...
It’s ok when Congressmen lie.
Trump's latest indictment is because the DOJ claims to have evidence of crimes committed by the former president. People who commit crimes need to answer for them. No man is above the law.
The conservative position seems to be, so what if Trump tried to overthrow a legitimate election. That is his right & if he had succeeded we would have been perfectly ok with it. Now, if the Democrats had tried to do the same, well, that would be totally unacceptable & they should "lock her up."
BS. The Hillary “lock her up” was because of her blatant disregard for securing intelligence (open server) and blatant disregard to Benghazi victims.
It’s never been about locking her up for pretending a couple of Russia citizens ran campaign advertisements on Facebook somehow fraud-ed the election.
But gosh…. Don’t let simple realities get in the way of your delusions.
So what do you think was more a "legitimate election"? A couple dudes in Russia running Facebook ads or 80%+ contrast between In-Person and Mystery Mail ballot counts in every district in the nation? Any person without a brain full of sh*t should usually come to the same conclusion.
I will answer the title's question with a question. And since the left has been trying to ban Mr Trump from the universe with every stupid method they can dream up and truly look stupid and sound stupid while doing it the question is.: WTF is wrong with the democrat party besides all the obvious?
The DOJ has before it a long road and the are not going after regular Joe but they guy who will serve papers to all concerned and attorneys that are well versed in the DOJ corrupt games and you do not have Andrew Wiessmann on board anymore do you?!
I recall Obama sent in a janitor at one time to clean the DOJ up, Eric Holder hisself but he forgot why he was there. Now the chickens have come home to roost and this just might be the start of the end of corrupt D.C. politics. The People are about to speak and be heard. Schumer/Pelosi asked for it so bend over and spread 'em here come your subpoenas! And to AOC: run home and stay under your bed for 3 years. Pocahontas will join you shortly. Every one of you is a Public Servant do not forget that.
It is attacking your political opponent when you are in power. A true Banana Republic tactic. Dictators do it all the time. Nothing new here.
And when this witch is found to be a witch and hung then it'll be onto many more witches to find and hang.
...because; that's what Nazis do...