Supreme Court Refuses To Expand the 'True Threats' Exception for Free Speech
Plus: Maine prostitution measure becomes law, "significant misconduct" in jail where Epstein hung himself, Mike Pence defends free markets, and more...

SCOTUS ruling in Facebook threats case "neither the most speech-protective nor the most sensitive to the dangers of true threats." For statements to be considered true threats, unprotected by the First Amendment, the person making them must have some understanding the statements could be construed as threatening, the Supreme Court held yesterday. The caseāCounterman v. Coloradoāinvolves a defendant convicted of stalking after sending a bevy of Facebook messages to someone identified as C.W.
In a 7-2 ruling issued yesterday, the Court vacated the conviction and remanded the case back to the lower court. The court's three liberal justices were joined by Justices Brett Kavanaugh, Neil Gorsuch, John Roberts, and Samuel Alito.
"True threats of violence are outside the bounds of First Amendment protection and punishable as crimes," noted Justice Elena Kagan in the majority's opinion:
Today we consider a criminal conviction for communications falling within that historically unprotected category. The question presented is whether the First Amendment still requires proof that the defendant had some subjective understanding of the threatening nature of his statements. We hold that it does, but that a mental state of recklessness is sufficient. The State must show that the defendant consciously disregarded a substantial risk that his communications would be viewed as threatening violence. The State need not prove any more demanding form of subjective intent to threaten another.
In this case, Billy Counterman sent C.W.āa singer and musician who lived in his communityāhundreds of Facebook messages between 2014 and 2016. "Some of his messages were utterly prosaic ('Good morning sweetheart'; 'I am going to the store would you like anything?')āexcept that they were coming from a total stranger," notes Kagan. "Others suggested that Counterman might be surveilling C. W.," and some expressed anger at her.
"Fuck off permanently," said one message. Another read: "You're not being good for
human relations. Die."
Understandably, the messages frightened C.W., who worried that Counterman was following her and might hurt her. She contacted local police, who charged him under a Colorado stalking statute that prohibits "repeatedly . . . make[ing] any form of communication with another person" in "a manner that would cause a reasonable person to suffer serious emotional distress."
Counterman argued that his messages were not true threats and thus were protected by the First Amendment.
The trial court weighed whether Counterman's messages were true threats using a "reasonable person" standard: would some hypothetical, objective "reasonable person" find them threatening? It found that they would, meaning the messages were not protected speech. The case was put before a jury, which found Counterman guilty under the stalking statute.
The Colorado Court of Appeals then affirmed this decision, holding that "a speaker's subjective intent to threaten" is not necessary to convict the speaker for threatening communications. The Colorado Supreme Court declined to review the case.
"Courts are divided about (1) whether the First Amendment requires proof of a defendant's subjective mindset in true-threats cases, and (2) if so, what mens rea"āthat is, level of intent or knowledgeā"standard is sufficient," noted Kagan. Thus, the Supreme Court decided to hear Counterman's case.
The majority's opinion explains:
The law of mens rea offers three basic choices. Purpose is the most culpable level in the standard mental-state hierarchy, and the hardest to prove. A person acts purposefully when he "consciously desires" a resultāso here, when he wants his words to be received as threats. … Next down, though not often distinguished from purpose, is knowledge. Ibid. A person acts knowingly when "he is aware that [a] result is practically certain to follow"āso here, when he knows to a practical certainty that others will take his words as threats. A greater gap separates those two from recklessness. A person acts recklessly, in the most common formulation, when he "consciously disregard[s] a substantial [and unjustifiable] risk that the conduct will cause harm to another." That standard involves insufficient concern with risk, rather than awareness of impending harm. But still, recklessness is morally culpable conduct, involving a "deliberate decision to endanger another." In the threats context, it means that a speaker is aware "that others could regard his statements as" threatening violence and "delivers them anyway."
Among those standards, recklessness offers the right path forward. We have so far mostly focused on the constitutional interest in free expression, and on the correlative need to take into account threat prosecutions' chilling effects. But the precedent we have relied on has always recognizedāand insisted on "accommodat[ing]"āthe "competing value[s]" in regulating historically unprotected expression. Here, as we have noted, that value lies in protecting against the profound harms, to both individuals and society, that attend true threats of violenceāas evidenced in this case.
The recklessness standard gives enough "breathing space" to protected speech "without sacrificing too many of the benefits of enforcing laws against true threats," Kagan continued:
As with any balance, something is lost on both sides: The rule we adopt today is neither the most speech-protective nor the most sensitive to the dangers of true threats. But in declining one of those two alternative paths, something more important is gained: Not "having it all"ābecause that is impossibleābut having much of what is important on both sides of the scale.
As you can see, the Court does not take lightly the idea that speech can cause harm even when it is not explicitly intended as a true threat. But in considering a speaker's intent but also holding it to the lower recklessness standard, the Court attempts to balance the competing interests of protecting free expression (and avoiding overcriminalization) and protecting against the harms that can come from true threats of violence.
So, it's frustrating to see some portray this ruling as "gut[ting] protections for cyberstalking victims" or decree "that stalking is free speech."
In Counterman's case, he was not convicted for physically stalking C.W. but rather for his communications, so the idea that this reaches all sorts of stalking is wrong.
Nor does the fact that these were Facebook messages make a difference. The court's ruling turns on the intent of the speaker, not whether their messages were sent via social media or the Postal Service.
The ruling has been commended by civil liberties and First Amendment groups.
"We're glad the Supreme Court affirmed today that inadvertently threatening speech cannot be criminalized," Brian Hauss, a senior staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union's Speech, Privacy, & Technology Project, said in a statement. "In a world rife with misunderstandings and miscommunications, people would be chilled from speaking altogether if they could be jailed for failing to predict how their words would be received. The First Amendment provides essential breathing room for public debate by requiring the government to demonstrate that the defendant acted intentionally or recklessly."
"Today's Supreme Court decision in Counterman v. Colorado is largely good news for the First Amendment because it sets a higher bar for punishing speech as a 'true threat,'" commented the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) on Twitter. "Fewer prosecutors will be able to criminalize speech tomorrow than was possible yesterday."
"FIRE and other civil liberties organizations had also advocated for an even stricter First Amendment test beyond recklessness to ensure that Americans would not face prosecution for parody or political commentary that unintentionally seemed threatening to a 'reasonable person,'" notes the organization. "While the Court did not adopt the stricter standard, we are heartened by the Court's statement that hyperbole will not constitute a true threat and that recklessness sets a high bar for any prosecution."
There was some divide among the justices over what mens rea standard to embrace.
"Two justicesāSotomayor and Gorsuchāthink that the recklessness standard is sufficient for this case, because it involves repeated unwelcome contact, but that true threats more generally should require intent to threaten," notes First Amendment lawyer Ken "Popehat" White. "Two justicesāBarrett and Thomasāthink the First Amendment doesn't require a subjective component to the true threats test at all."
White himself worries that "the recklessness standard merely repeats the problems of the so-called 'objective standard.'"
Let's take the familiar example of Justin Carter, a stupid kid on a gaming forum trash-talking, whose trash-talking is observed by a middle-aged mom from, say, Canada. I'm not picking on Canada, that's a real-world example. Under the Supreme Court's decision today, to punish the trash-talking Justin for a true threat the government would have to prove that (1) a reasonable person would take the trash-talk as a sincere expression of intent to do harm, and (2) Justin consciously disregarded a substantial risk it would be taken that way.
But how is that danger evaluated, exactly? Is Justin required to assume that people outside the League of Legends forums (a dump site of arrested adolescence and jibbering mother-shamers) are going to read his post, and therefore assess how his post will be taken by Canadian mothers? Or is he only required to consider his intended or likely audience? Is it enough that Justin can introduce evidence about his expectations of how the unbathed denizens of his forum would understand him, perhaps through expert testimony? Is it enough to argue to the jury that idiot manchildren rarely comprehend their words may land differently on different ears? I know how "reckless disregard" would work in a monoculture, but what about in a swarm of violently disputing subcultures?
Ultimately, the court's decision in Counterman was "neither as speech-protective nor as censorship-friendly as it could be," White suggests.
FOLLOW-UP
Maine Gov. Janet Mills, a Democrat, has signed into law a measure to partially decriminalize prostitution. The measure removes criminal penalties for people selling sex in some circumstances, while continuing to criminalize anyone who attempts to pay for sex as well as sex workers found guilty of "publicly soliciting patrons." It also keeps in place criminal penalties for "causing or aiding another to commit or engage in sexual conduct or sexual acts in exchange for a pecuniary benefit," "leasing or otherwise permitting a place" to be used for prostitution, and other activities surrounding sexual exchange even when consent is involved. And it redefines many of these activitiesāwhich previously fell under the banner of prostitutionāas acts of "commercial sexual exploitation."
We covered Maine's measure earlier this month, noting that this model of prostitution law has many critics among sex workers and human rights advocates:
Essentially, the Maine measure would institute what's known as "asymmetrical criminalization" or the "Nordic Model" of prostitution laws, a scheme criminalizing people who pay for sex but not totally criminalizing those who sell it. This model has become popular in parts of Europe and among certain strains of U.S. feminists.
But keeping sex work customers criminalized keeps in place many of the harms of total criminalization. The sex industry must still operate underground, which makes it more difficult for sex workers to work safely and independently. Sex workers are still barred from advertising their services. Customers are still reluctant to be screened. And cops still spend time ferreting out and punishing people for consensual sex instead of focusing on sex crimes where someone is actually being victimized.
A recent study of prostitution laws in European countries found full decriminalization or legalization of prostitution linked to lower rape rates, while countries that instituted the Nordic model during the study period saw their rates of sexual violence go up.
The nonprofit advocacy group Decriminalize Sex Work (DSW) noted in a statement that "Maine is now the first and only state to enact the policy model referred to as the Nordic model, the Entrapment model, or the End Demand model." While pushed "as a means of curtailing prostitution and combating trafficking… evidence from around the world shows it does neither," the group adds.
"Lots of supporters of Entrapment model legislation are feminists who support bodily autonomy as it relates to abortion but do not think people should have that same right to bodily autonomy should they choose to engage in sex work," commented Rebecca Cleary, a staff attorney at DSW. Such laws "are misguided and misinformed, driven by harmful and stigmatizing ideology and the false promise that they will abolish the sex industry."
FREE MINDS
No foul play, but Epstein was "provided with the opportunity" for suicide. A new investigation into Jeffrey Epstein's death found "significant misconduct and dereliction of their duties" by federal jail staff at the Manhattan facility where Epstein hung himself while awaiting trial for sex trafficking. The investigators "did not uncover evidence" to contradict the finding that Epstein killed himself. More from The New York Times:
Jeffrey Epstein, who was found dead in a cell with a bedsheet tied around his neck in 2019, died by suicide, not foul playāafter a cascade of negligence and mismanagement at the now-shuttered federal jail in Manhattan where he was housed, according to the Justice Department's inspector general.
In a report released on Tuesday after a yearslong investigation, the inspector general said that leaders and staff members at the jail, the federal Metropolitan Correctional Center, created an environment in which Mr. Epstein, a financier awaiting trial on sex trafficking and conspiracy charges, had every opportunity to kill himself.
The inspector general, Michael E. Horowitz, referred two employees, including one supervisor, for criminal prosecution by the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York after they were caught falsifying records. But prosecutors declined to bring charges, the report said.
The inspectors did not uncover evidence to suggest any foul play, but did find what the Times describes as "a remarkable, at times unexplained, succession of circumstances [that] made it easy for him to kill himself." Despite an earlier suicide attempt by Epstein, staff allowed him to stockpile blankets, linens, and clothing. And they left him without a cellmate for a full day, contra a jail psychologist's recommendation that he always have one. "The combination of negligence, misconduct and outright job performance failures documented in this report all contributed to an environment in which arguably one of the B.O.P.'s most notorious inmates was provided with the opportunity to take his own life," the new report states.
FREE MARKETS
Former Vice President Mike Pence has some words (in Reason) for conservatives who are abandoning free market principles. "Today, some conservatives are losing confidence in themselves, our movement, and our fellow Americans and are instead looking to government to be the solution to problems in the free market," Pence writes:
This stunning about-face is of great concern to traditional conservatives like me who remain unabashed advocates of the free market, the greatest engine for prosperity in human history. Free markets have done more than any other system to raise standards of living, generate broad-based wealth, spur technological innovation, cure debilitating illness, and improve quality of life for billions of people around the globe. The entirety of American history proves that the free market, not government, has the ultimate power to shape society for the better.
QUICK HITS
ā¢ The government's crackdown on flavored vaping products hasn't stopped their proliferation; it simply led to relatively regulated and safe products being replaced by "unauthorized disposable vapes from China," notes the Associated Press. Since 2020, the number of different electronic cigarette devices sold here has nearly tripledāa surge that "stands in stark contrast to regulators' own figures, which tout the rejection of some 99% of company requests to sell new e-cigarettes."
ā¢ State legislatures can't ignore the Constitution or evade judicial review when it comes to election rules, the Supreme Court ruled on Tuesday.
ā¢ An update on the court proceedings concerning the government's attempt to block Microsoft from acquiring Activision Blizzard:
Quick FTC vs. Microsoft-Activision catch-up:
FTC's take: Microsoft privately plans to squeeze rivals, actions around ZeniMax, Minecraft prove it
Microsoft's take: We're trying to grow market, not crush rivals, actions around ZeniMax, Minecraft prove ithttps://t.co/MfqhLdrQPM
— Stephen Totilo (@stephentotilo) June 27, 2023
ā¢ President Joe Biden is rolling out a $42 billion Broadband Equity, Access, and Deployment (BEAD) plan. "That is an obscene amount of money to invest in technology that will be obsolete by the time it's built," Reason's Ronald Bailey writes.
ā¢ Artificial intelligence is wreaking havoc on all sorts of digital platforms and processes, writes Platfomer's Casey Newton.
ā¢ The U.K.'s Online Safety Bill "poses a serious threat" to end-to-end encryption, Apple says.
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The government's crackdown on flavored vaping products hasn't stopped their proliferation...
They simply need to ban the black market.
They simply need to ban the black market.
Racist!
Black Bribes Matter!
So a black market for black markets? That's meta, man! š
State legislatures can't ignore the Constitution or evade judicial review when it comes to election rules...
Looking at you, Pennsylvania.
THAT'S (D)IFFERENT!
But the state courts can.
They clearly don't understand democracy.
That thread died, but could someone explain to me how the original map drawn by the legislature ACTUALLY violated the constitution?
I posted the line from the NC ruling. They didn't explain. They just said free elections required it.
It was the FYTW Clause.
Again.
Very popular!
Is there nothing it CANāT do?
Former Vice President Mike Pence has some words (in Reason) for conservatives who are abandoning free market principles.
MAGA-Communists are just not into you, Pence.
What about Antifa-Fascists?
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; itās all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled asshole, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know heās a liar.
If anything he posts isnāt a lie, itās totally accidental.
turd lies; itās what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
President Joe Biden is rolling out a $42 billion Broadband Equity, Access, and Deployment (BEAD) plan.
Hopefully it results in internet as a public utility.
The full name is the American No Access Limits Broadband Equity, Access and Deployment (ANALBEAD) plan. Not sure why they keep shortening it.
Constipation?
Sounds more like diarrhea of the mouth and keyboard. š
Probably trying to clean it up a bit.
It is a bit irregular. š
I once had the thought about opening a Web store and calling it:
E-regular.com: The Web Site That's Full Of Crap!
Take it for free if you want, folks. I've got a million of 'em! š
Well done. Beat me to it.
It's kind of a shitty name.
... monopoly. Isn't that what those are?
Artificial intelligence is wreaking havoc on all sorts of digital platforms and processes...
Code havoc and let slip the nets of sky!
*golf clap*
The U.K.'s Online Safety Bill "poses a serious threat" to end-to-end encryption...
Can you imagine what goes on behind the government's back?
I think they are just crossing their fingers back there.
Former Vice President Mike Pence has some words (in Reason) for conservatives who are abandoning free market principles.
He's running.
Pence us the new Polis.
Pence-Polis, the Reason dream ticket?
That's what, the McDreamy and McSteamy ticket for Reason?
Could promising to pardon Trump be a winning campaign strategy, even for a wet rag like Pence?
It would reinforce the perception that Pence, for most of his term as Vice President, went along with non-conservative acts by Trump and turned a blind eye to Trumpās malfeasance and reprehensible personal behavior.
Pence is the one candidate who should not promise to pardon Trump.
Maine Gov. Janet Mills, a Democrat, has signed into law a measure to partially decriminalize prostitution.
Guess which half of the half-and-half you are allowed.
(I may have made a variation of this joke before.)
Are there any hookers in Maine?
Only those looking to trap Lobster Girl.
She can pull me to the bottom of the bucket, tie me down, and torture me with readings of Jordan Peterson anytime! š
Rampant alcoholic incels, so guessing yes.
Literal LOL. Thanks!
Sarc will give you a handy under the bridge for a bottle.
Yep. Spose is their biggest-spending customer. š
Here's Spose rapping what I've long regarded as the new U.S. National Anthem:
Spose--I'm Awesome
https://youtu.be/OYws8biwOYc
Maine Gov. Janet Mills, a Democrat, has signed into law a measure to partially decriminalize prostitution. The measure removes criminal penalties for people selling sex in some circumstances, while continuing to criminalize anyone who attempts to pay for sex as well as sex workers found guilty of "publicly soliciting patrons." It also keeps in place criminal penalties for "causing or aiding another to commit or engage in sexual conduct or sexual acts in exchange for a pecuniary benefit," "leasing or otherwise permitting a place" to be used for prostitution, and other activities surrounding sexual exchange even when consent is involved. And it redefines many of these activitiesāwhich previously fell under the banner of prostitutionāas acts of "commercial sexual exploitation."
What the fucking fuck is all this shit?
If the hooker can't offer wares, and the John (or Jane) can't offer money, and no one can provide the hook-up or the place for the deal to go down, then how the Hell is this decriminalizing prostitution??
Does the hooker just happen to go to a hotel that happens to offer rooms-by-the-hour and happens to get naked and splay the wares on the bed and the John/Jane just happens to go to the same room and happens to drop money on the bed and just happens to slip a tongue, penis, or strap-on in the hookers orifices and just happens to have a happy ending???
Stop it! Stop it! This hideous facade!!!
The Libertarian Sex Worker slogan should be:
"$54.40 FOR FUCK, OR FIGHT!"
āā¦while continuing to criminalize anyone who attempts to pay for sexā¦ā
So it doesnāt actually legalize prostitution, it just decriminalizes SOME prostitutes.
Basically, it legalized politicians running their whore mouths and making us think there changing things.
Oh, and it did create the new offense of "commercial sexual exploitation."
So is the National Airlines Ad Campaign is verboten?
National Airlines Commercial: "Fly Me" (1971)
https://youtu.be/TiYoWQt1xQs
1972 National Airlines "I'm National, Fly Me" Commercial
https://youtu.be/zp5xUjq9rIM
Parody is obsolete, Exhibit #719
The ācoming for your childrenā chant has been used for years at Pride events, according to longtime march attendees and gay rights activists, who said itās one of many provocative expressions used to regain control of slurs against LGBTQ people.
That's NBC doing its best to put a positive spin on the worst elements of the gay community.
#WithFriendsLikeThese
So controlling it is confirming that "coming for your children" is not a slur?
lol!
"How dare you be worried about our chant, we've always been coming for your children!"
"Of course we're coming for your children, but don't dare call us groomers!"
Those fucking people have multiple screws loose = chanters
No, I'd say they know exactly what they're doing. A community that's obsessed with open displays of kink is going to naturally attract predators who see children as sexual beings, and they've gotten increasingly bold about their intentions as their side has gained political power and advocates within the Democratic party and mass media.
Is "We are coming for your children" protected speech under 1A, or is a clear threat? Is it simple parody, sarcasm, or a statement of fact and intent?
Yeah, I ran across that.
That appears to be the āOk, itās happening, but itās not as bad as you sayā part of the equation weāre entering into.
Rod Dreher explains, āThe Law Of Merited Impossibility is an epistemological construct governing the paradoxical way overclass opinion makers frame the discourse about the clash between religious liberty and gay civil rights. It is best summed up by the phrase, āItās a complete absurdity to believe that Christians will suffer a single thing from the expansion of gay rights, and boy, do they deserve what theyāre going to get.'ā
The only suffering Rod Dreher is doing is locked in the closet of his Benedictine compound screaming: āSTOP ME BEFORE I GAY MARRY!"
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Doesn't Dreher know that Orban is already married?
American Mind:
Which brings us to the Law of Salutary Contradiction, whose formulation is: āThatās not happening and itās good that it is.ā While the Law of Merited Impossibility applies to the future, this one is about the present. Itās what the ruling class immediately switches to after what they insisted would āneverā happen is happening before everyoneās eyes.
Is the NSA spying on Tucker Carlson? Thatās an insane conspiracy theory ā¦ which is also warranted by Tuckerās treasonous contacts with Russian officials as he seeks an interview with Putin.
Is the Biden Administration inviting in illegal immigrants, then putting them on military planes and shipping them to the heartland? Absolutely not ā¦ and these future Nobel Prize winners deserve their shot at the American Dream.
Once you learn to recognize this pattern, you see it everywhere. It is the cornerstone of ruling class rhetoric in the current year.
As I've said, homosexuals (men, in particular) spent YEARS trying to demonstrate that they did not want underage boys.
That's been undone quite effectively...by their compatriots.
At the next St. Patrick's parade, should I and my fellow Micks chant:
We'll drink,
Then drive.
We'll also fight,
And fuck your wife.
just to show that we're not the violent, drunken, lecherous bastards that everyone thinks we are.
According to Thomas Sowell, it was mass migrations of the Irish and Welsh that carried the grifter mentality to the Southern states which has since migrated to the ghettoes. He isn't wrong. My ancestors, may they burn in hell, are prime examples.
Why transition behind parents' backs?
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/06/28/children-should-not-be-transitioning-at-school/
Britainās [ed-U.S. as well] schools, aided and abetted by doctors and social workers, have fallen under the influence of gender ideology. This is putting youngsters at risk from the very adults charged with their care.
For Callum and Susan (not their real names), this ideological bias hit home after their autistic 16-year-old daughter told them that she was really a boy.
In response to the schoolās decision to call in social services, Callum and Susan hired lawyers to help them access the schoolās records. Shockingly, these records revealed that a doctor had prescribed testosterone to their daughter behind their backs. They also learned that sheād been given advice on gender identity by a local youth project which works closely with the local council and has provided classes for children in schools across the region.
Callum and Susan clearly do not believe that at age 16, their autistic daughter is able to self-diagnose gender dysphoria or, as they put it, ācommit herself to potentially compromised fertility and sexual functionā.
They rightly feel that the professionals whose job it is to safeguard children may not have acted in her interests. Instead of looking out for her, Callum tells The Times, they have been āenabling, encouraging and facilitating life-changing medicalisation with irreversible consequencesā.
Parents and tiny, unfunded support groups have been left trying to shield their children from the influence of giant trans lobby groups. They should not have to. The government must remind schools, medical professionals and local councils that they are supposed to protect the children in their care. Parents, like Callum and Susan, need the government to step up now.
Parents, like Callum and Susan, need the government to step up now.
No they donāt. This level of child abuse requires parental vigilantism, as the government is complicit in the abuse.
Demand a jury trial.
Not sure how easy that would be in the UK as opposed to here in the US.
I was thinking here in the US. The UK is lost
Both might be lost. Try Poland or maybe that marvelous country Ukraine.
No, the US is lost, the UK is pushing back. The Tavistok clinic got shut down. No such thing has happened in the US.
Not true. Some States have passed laws to shut that shit down when kids are involved.
have fallen under the influence of gender ideology.
Clearly define what you mean by "gender ideology".
Fuck off.
Yes yes we know. Biology and DNA dictate that men wear tuxedoes and women wear ball gowns at formal events. It's right there in the "Formalwear Gene".
If gender was "just a social construct," trannies would simply wear the clothes and wouldn't need the radical reconstructive surgery of their perfectly normal and developed bodies.
They are choosing to live their lives as they see fit and they don't require your permission to do, despite your impotent threats to 'shove them back in the closet'.
Just because adults like to chase after children because "they are living their lives as they see fit" and claim that "gender is just a social construct" while validating that same construct, doesn't mean it's automatically good.
Your position is nothing more than justifications for your hedonistic self-indulgence.
There we go, conflating all transgenderism with pedophilia.
That's the only way your team can win - is if you can convince people that trannies are really just pedos.
That is your clear agenda here, it is sick and demeaning and offensive, but that's your plan.
This you, claiming that lewd sexual contact is not sexual assault of kids?
https://reason.com/2023/06/26/federal-judge-blocks-floridas-anti-drag-law/?comments=true#comment-10127667
chemjeff radical individualist 2 days ago
Here specifically is the game that you are playing.
You state:
Until you acknowledge lewd sexual contact with a minor constitutes assault
So you donāt even bother to try to prove that ālewd sexual contactā is a type of assault. You just want me to try to answer āyesā or ānoā.
And if I answer āYesā, you will say: Well then duh, itās a violation of the NAP, because assault! And HOW DARE YOU support sexual assault of kids!
And if I answer āNoā, you will say: Well OF COURSE youāre wrong, lewd sexual contact is a type of assault, and HOW DARE YOU support sexual assault of kids!
So how about this again. Why donāt you actually try to prove your case, that you think ālewd sexual contactā is a type of assault that falls within a violation of the NAP. Go ahead, make your case. But I donāt think you can. You would much rather play these games and yell HOW DARE YOU.
Yeah. That is a terrible statement from him. Just a week after finally relenting and admitting pedophilia is a violation of the NAP. But he can't help himself because his goal is to actually fuck kids.
Neither ML nor you even bothered to try to prove that claim.
You are even dumber than ML, just following along with the right-wing narrative currents, saying the 'right' things and insulting the 'right' people and just being a blind conformist.
Why don't you try some independent thought for a little bit. Why don't you try to prove a claim for once instead.
But we both know that the only reason you brought up that comment in this discussion is as an attempted 'gotcha' moment.
Not at all, Inceljeffy. It was brought up as you made this comment just 3/4s of an hour ago.
chemjeff radical individualist 42 mins ago
There we go, conflating all transgenderism with pedophilia.
Thatās the only way your team can win ā is if you can convince people that trannies are really just pedos.
That is your clear agenda here, it is sick and demeaning and offensive, but thatās your plan.
You do also realize that one of the pushers of āgender ideologyā was a pedophile, John Money?
Let's discuss David Reimer, shall we. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
You know, one of Money's victims.
Oh bullshit. You're lying about me to try to slime me as a monster. Because you like ML is all you know how to do - follow the right-wing narrative herd, and attack anyone who disagrees as a bad person.
I don't care about John Money. Dennis Hastert was a pedophile, does that mean all Republicans are pedophiles too?
1. Those are your words above, not mine.
2. Nice try at a redirect there by mentioning Dennis Hastert.
3. Nice try at changing the subject with the "Republicans" comment. Nowhere did I mention political affiliation here.
If they based an entire movement to change the concept of biology on the back of his "work", you might have a claim that they are.
Republicans, however, did not.
Progressives, though, DID do that with Money's "work"
Look at Lying Jeffy take advantage of my travel day to tell lies.
ā So how about this again. Why donāt you actually try to prove your case, that you think ālewd sexual contactā is a type of assault that falls within a violation of the NAP. Go ahead, make your case. But I donāt think you can.ā
CONTACT of a sexual nature cannot be consented to by a minor. Youāre not seriously trying to argue that children can give such consent, are you?
CONTACT of a sexual nature cannot be consented to by a minor.
I think you all need to be precise in your definition of the terms "lewd", "sexual", and "contact".
Because I don't trust any of you to be honest or reasonable with those terms when it comes to drag queens or kids. Frankly, based on what I've seen, the fact that a drag queen is in the same room as a kid would cause some of you to think that that alone is "sexual assault".
I think you all need to be precise in your definition of the terms ālewdā, āsexualā, and ācontactā.
And just how do you define them, NAMBLA-man? Please, enlighten us with your definitions first as you are asking us to be precise there, Inceljeff NAMBLA pederast.
I'm not the one making the claim. You and your pals are.
Iām not the one making the claim. You and your pals are.
Nice try at a redirect, Inceljeffy, but a total and complete failure.
So, um, how do you define these, Inceljeffy? Since you're the one who wants the definition, and you're the one quick to bring out that 1912 dictionary.
I think you all need to be precise in your definition of the terms ālewdā, āsexualā, and ācontactā.
Fucking squirrels ate my post with links to the legal definitions of lewd and sexual contact, so instead hereās a panda explains sexual harassment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=ap_XoAVvbQg
You just defended pedophilia the other day, Pedo Jeffy:
https://reason.com/2023/06/26/federal-judge-blocks-floridas-anti-drag-law/?comments=true#comment-10127667
"There we go, conflating all transgenderism with pedophilia."
THEY (and, mind you, it seems to be all men pretending to be women) are the ones claiming that all anti-grooming laws are "anti-trans".
Clearly THEY believe they are tightly tied to pedophilia.
Take up your whining with the people who are making the case.
His position doesn't even make sense. If it is a naturally occurring social construct he doesn't need to advocate for it to be taught to children through indoctrination.
If gender can be determined by things like fashion choices, then it it pretty much meaningless and why the fuck are we spending any time thinking about it?
If gender just means doing things that were once considered to be things only done by the other sex, then nearly all women today (in the West anyway) are transgender.
Gender is one's own conception of how strongly one identifies with the social conventions associated with one's biological sex. It is analogous to the distinction between citizenship and patriotism. Citizenship is objectively determined (one is either a citizen or not), but patriotism is a more subjective feeling of pride in one's own country. One can be a citizen with low amounts of patriotism, or one can be a citizen with high amounts of patriotism.
There's nothing analogous to it all, actually, but you do love to indulge in these dumb attempts out of a pretense that they make you seem clever.
>>Gender is oneās own conception
strike one.
If it is a self conception why does jeff need to advocate for it to be taught?
dude don't bring logic. people will get hurt.
Gender is oneās own conception of how strongly one identifies with the social conventions associated with oneās biological sex.
Most of what you so blithely label "social conventions" have long been proven to be biologically driven imperatives. Expecting 99.7% of the population to accept what causes them psychological distress is every bit as unacceptable as the vast majority oppressing .03% of the population.
If they would shut the fuck up and understand that they have no right to force the rest of us to acknowledge their deviance as normal behavior, we could all go back to arguing about things that actually improve society.
What is the "biologically driven imperative" for a man to wear a tuxedo at a formal event?
Alpha signaling.
You must be an omega to not know that.
So 300 years ago, the "biologically driven imperative" for a man at a formal event was to wear a wig, makeup, and tights. Also for "alpha signaling"?
How did this "biologically driven imperative" change? Was there some burst of biological evolution that occurred in the last 300 years?
Dude, you still don't get it. That's social and cultural. News flash, Inceljeffy, fashion changes with time. Biological sex does not.
How did this ābiologically driven imperativeā change?
It didn't. Fashion is transient, but signaling ones status remains the same.
That is one of many possible reasons for a man to wear a tuxedo at a formal event.
Another one might be that it is because that's what he is expected to do by social convention. He may not want to wear a tuxedo but he doesn't want to appear rude or inconsiderate.
He may not want to wear a tuxedo but he doesnāt want to appear rude or inconsiderate.
How stupid are you? Men are wearing a tuxedo because they won't be let in without one. It is without question status signaling.
My brother got married in a church. I wore a tuxedo because I was in the wedding party. I got married on a riverboat. I didn't wear a tuxedo because why the fuck would anyone wear a tuxedo on a riverboat even if it is it is expected at weddings?
I don't think you even know what "status signaling" means. It means, literally, to signal one's status. If the venue requires a tuxedo for men, then they aren't signaling anything except compliance with the rules. Not status.
And why is this so hard to get across?
MEN WEAR TUXEDOS BECAUSE SOCIETY TELLS THEM TO. IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE BIOLOGICALLY PROGRAMMED TO.
Why do you think that clothes are the primary expression of gender norms? Clothes are the least relevant thing. How about they way people behave in sexual relationships? Or risk tolerance, or child rearing instincts? There are a lot of large behavioral differences between the sexes (with much overlap, but the differences are significant). Fashion preferences have very little to do with it. And cross dressing doesn't make you another sex or gender, it's just some clothing.
Because Jeff has put himself in a corner and canāt admit he might be wrong?
I don't think clothes are the primary expression of gender norms. It is just an easily demonstrated example of one. In all of those things, there is no "biological imperative" that a biological man or a biological woman must conform to any specific social convention for any of those.
Because Jeff has put himself in a corner and canāt admit he might be wrong?
It wouldn't be a day without Inceljeffy doing exactly that.
There may not always be a biological imperative, but there are a lot of biological strong tendencies.
And yes, there is a lot of variability within each sex. Which is exactly why it's stupid to say that not expressing in a stereotypical way for one's sex means that you have a gender that doesn't align with your sex. You can be a woman into hunting and football, or a man into frilly pink things and talking about feelings.
And yes, there is a lot of variability within each sex.
Hush, now you are sounding like those "57 genders" people.
What is the ābiologically driven imperativeā for a man to wear a tuxedo at a formal event?
Is that the best you can do today? Obvious non sequiturs?
Fashion is transient, but signaling ones status remains the same.
See, it is easy if you try.
"Gender is oneās own conception of how strongly one identifies with the social conventions associated with oneās biological sex."
Chopping off one's dick or tits is not fighting against "social conventions". That is a patently absurd assumption.
Chopping off oneās dick or tits is not fighting against āsocial conventionsā
I am pretty sure that for most kids "how strongly one identifies with the social conventions associated with oneās biological sexā is directly proportional to the amount of positive attention they receive from their peers and family.
It's hilarious how gender essentialist the trans community is.
Inceljeffy, you're conflating biological sex with clothing. Nice strawman, pedo.
youāre conflating biological sex with clothing.
No, that is your team with its insane 'biological essentialism', by insisting that the words 'man' and 'woman' must ONLY be used to refer to biological sex, and any other use is illegitimate.
Wrong again. What you are describing is simply the reaction to people who insist that "misgendering" is a thought crime. When you say something shit-all stupid, you are the instigator.
Sorry, dude, but that's what a man (human male) and woman (human female) are. It matters not if both are wearing dresses or jeans, they still are two different sexes defined by their biology as they have been for millions of years. I'd suggest a remedial biology class, Inceljeffy, but somehow I figure it would be wasted on you.
That's what the words mean. The terms "trans-woman" and "trans-man" are necessary because the unmodified terms refer to biological sex.
What do you expect from someone that doesnāt think lewd sexual contact with minors is assault:
https://reason.com/2023/06/26/federal-judge-blocks-floridas-anti-drag-law/?comments=true#comment-10127667
"No, that is your team with its insane ābiological essentialismā, by insisting that the words āmanā and āwomanā must ONLY be used to refer to biological sex, and any other use is illegitimate."
They HAVE a specific definition that worked just fine for, literally, thousands of years.
YOU now want to change it to make the word meaningless.
Don't make me break out the 1912 Oxford Dictionary again.
There are at least a dozen definitions of both the word "man" and the word "woman".
Oh, go for it, dipshit. We've shown you, using other definitions in that very same dictionary edition, that you're conflating things.
If that is only a social construct, then how can one have an innate identification with a social construct?. It is the paradox of transgender ideology.
You have it backwards. Gender ideology eliminates biological sex from any consideration of what makes a person male or female. But having eliminated biology, all the gender ideologues are left with to define gender is stereotypes. Women wear dresses and makeup and like to feel pretty, or at least those are the tropes most TIMs associate with being female. Whereas those who oppose gender ideology would just say a woman is an adult human female, who can dress however she likes, wear makeup or not, and feel pretty or not. Whatever she does, she's a woman. Men can do the same, dress how they like, wear their hair as they like, wear makeup or whatever, it just doesn't make them literally women.
Your team's "biological essentialism" denies free will. Human beings have a choice to decide the types of lives they wish to live. Biology does not DEMAND that men wear suits and women wear skirts. It is our CHOICE to do so or not. By denying this reality, you are in effect denying the ability of human beings to choose their own direction in life.
Your team's demand that we accept the denial of biological reality as perfectly normal and healthy promotes social maladaption and mass delusion. Which is why you're trying to tie radical reconstructive surgeries, and encouragement of children to cut off their sexual organs and take puberty blockers that they don't actually need, to simply "wearing tuxedos and dresses."
You are predators, you are dangerous, and you will be treated as such from here on out.
denial of biological reality
Your team is the only one who is denying biological reality. Take your team's favorite trick question, "what is a woman?"
Your team is the only one who is denying biological reality. Take your teamās favorite trick question, āwhat is a woman?ā
Doubling down on your team's denial of biological reality with a "I know you are but what am I" rejoinder doesn't refute the criticism of your deviance.
You are the only one here who is calling LGBTQ folks "deviant", wanting to "shove them back in the closet", and making not-so-veiled threats. Please, do go on. The world should know how much of an authoritarian dickhead that you are. Your team here can only win if you can convince a large majority of people to be authoritarian dickheads just like yourself in order to use state force and violence against the LGBTQ community. So, go ahead, please go on.
Gosh, you mean that plainly stating "we're coming for your children" might have consequences? That openly bragging that you're targeting a vulnerable demographic for your own sexual predilictions might not endear you to people?
You just don't want to face those consequences, fat boy, and it's because you're a pederast yourself who's desperate to have your own fetishes normalized.
Oh give it a rest. You've been advocating violence against the people you disagree with for a while now. One chant from one parade didn't provide you with any more justification than you already had.
Pedo Jeffy doesnāt think lewd sexual contact with children is assault:
https://reason.com/2023/06/26/federal-judge-blocks-floridas-anti-drag-law/?comments=true#comment-10127667
You are the only one here who is calling LGBTQ folks ādeviantā, wanting to āshove them back in the closetā, and making not-so-veiled threats.
Nobody has done that. The discussion has been exclusively about the gender dysphoric, which with an incidence in the general population of about .03% is without question "deviant" behavior.
You added L, G, B and Q. You are the only one talking about closets. You are the only one acting like threats have been made. You are in full gaslight mode today and making zero valid points.
dude, read what RRWP has written
dude, read what RRWP has written
All I see is how far jeffy has moved the fucking goalposts from the original discussion with his continued whining.
Nobody is threatening homosexuals with torches and pitchforks or implying they should hide their relationships. People are reacting incredulously to public displays of hostility toward the majority of the population. "We are coming for your kids" is not funny.
Take your teamās favorite trick question, āwhat is a woman?ā
Thatās only a trick question for idiots.
Okay then.
So what is a woman?
A female human, species homo sapiens sapiens. Lacks a Y-chromosome; has a vagina attached to a cervix, uterus, and ovaries that contain eggs*; breasts that lactate milk for infants; ability to carry a fetus to term and give live birth. Has a wider pelvis than a human male, but is typically of shorter stature and body weight.
*Unless removed for some medical reason, i.e. hysterectomy.
Okay, so this is why it's a trick question.
So when the drag queen puts on a dress and says "this dress makes me feel like a woman", to what feeling is the drag queen specifically referring to?
I know this one!
The drag queen is delusional. He will never be a woman.
Says the guy who believes in ladydick and that men can get pregnant.
Sure, āmenā can get pregnant ā if we use the definition of the word āmanā to mean the social conventions associated with the male biological sex.
But a āmanā cannot get pregnant ā if we use the definition of the word āmanā to mean a biological male.
Language can be confusing sometimes!
No it is not that confusing.
The usage of "man" in the former context conveys little important information other than an eccentric clothing preference.
This definition of āmanā corresponds to the social conventions to which one chooses to conform.
If you go into a room and you see three complete strangers, who are all conforming perfectly to the social conventions associated with men, mentally you would label them all as āmenā, EVEN IF you later found out that they were all biologically female. That is the meaning of the word here.
The point is, the word 'man' does not have an EXCLUSIVE meaning of 'biological male'.
FYI, I changed your primary name from Lying Jeffy to Pedo Jeffy after you claimed that lewd sexual with children isnāt assault:
https://reason.com/2023/06/26/federal-judge-blocks-floridas-anti-drag-law/?comments=true#comment-10127667
Youāve exposed yourself as someone making arguments to justify fucking kids. I hope your neighbors know about you and keep their kids away.
Actually, there is quite a good chance that the female identifying as a man would set off an uncanny valley response and be mentally categorized as female or cause some anxiety as the signals are wrong.
And again, classifying that person as a man conveys little useful information to me. What they think about themselves is unimportant to me.
there is quite a good chance that the female identifying as a man would set off an uncanny valley response
I don't see it. There are too many archetypes in our culture of the woman masquerading as a man for it to be seen as uncanny or repulsive: Calamity Jane; the "tomboy"; the whole "Annie Hall" look, "GI Jane", and on an on.
Now, on the other hand, a biological male presenting as a woman. That still gets a reaction, and I think you would have a point.
What they think about themselves is unimportant to me.
But that is not relevant even in this example. What is relevant is how YOU thought of THEM. They āfooledā you into thinking they were men, when they were actually biological women.
Maybe that is the issue ā you donāt appreciate being āfooledā?
"That's not a woman. It's a man, baby."
Oh great you are trying to read minds so you do not have to deal with the argument being made.
*In the hypothetical situation that I posed*, if you enter a room and see three individuals who appear outwardly to be indistinguishable from men, you would mentally label them as 'men', even if you later found out that they were biological females.
Since in polite company we normally don't go around doing genital checks on complete strangers, we assign gender labels to people based on how they present themselves, which may or may not correspond to their biological sex.
Utter bullshit. We do not assign "gender labels" to anyone. Usually, the clues are obvious to all but the utterly clueless, like yourself. Size, facial roundness, waist/hips, facial hair (including shaved stubble), voice, even smell.
Even if both males and females dressed in a fucking potato sack, the differences should be fucking obvious.
We do not assign āgender labelsā to anyone.
Yes you do. When you see someone, you assign labels to that person. Tall, short, fat, thin, bald, bespectacled, well dressed, slovenly, dark-skinned, light-skinned, etc., etc. We all do. And that includes "man" or "woman".
You are predators, you are dangerous, and you will be treated as such from here on out.
Of the two of us, you are the only one who has advocated using violence against people with whom you disagree.
You are the dangerous authoritarian asshole here who, if you are not merely a dickless keyboard warrior (like Nardz), will be the one initiating violence against people who have not harmed you.
Of the two of us, you are the only one who has advocated using violence against people with whom you disagree.
Your support of child molesters and defense of gender radicalists in schools who support convincing kids that they were "born in the wrong body" and should destroy their perfectly normal bodies puts lie to the statement that you don't advocate using violence.
You are the dangerous authoritarian asshole here who, if you are not merely a dickless keyboard warrior (like Nardz), will be the one initiating violence against people who have not harmed you.
Coming from a fat boy who can't even get laid, and has an unhealthy obsession with being an apologist for groomers and college administrators who slander innocent businesspeople for political purposes, I'll take that as a compliment.
Right. Your team can only win by convincing the people that those on the other team are 'bad people' - deviant groomers, etc. That is why the whole discussion of gender ideology is entirely besides the point. They are just a platform for you to call people names and vilify them as deviant sick fucks. That's why you instantly launched into the personal attacks against me. That is the only way you can win. Truth is not on your side, only demagoguery and ad hominem appeals are all you have.
Yes, Pedo Jeffy, you are a bad person. Only bad people think that lewd sexual contact with children isnāt assault.
https://reason.com/2023/06/26/federal-judge-blocks-floridas-anti-drag-law/?comments=true#comment-10127667
Biology does, however, demand that you are an idiot. Or you're deliberately misrepresenting the argument because you're a liar.
Okay, so what is the actual argument that I am supposedly misrepresenting?
You're conflating clothing styles with actual biological sex.
totes on purpose too.
All as a means to justify his pederasty.
https://reason.com/2023/06/26/federal-judge-blocks-floridas-anti-drag-law/?comments=true#comment-10127667
not my bag.
No one is saying that people aren't allowed to dress how they want and present themselves how they want. Only that doing so doesn't change basic biological facts. In the case of biological sex, biological essentialism is just a fact. You can't change that. Even if you take hormones and cut your dick off, you still haven't changed it.
People have a right to behave as they see fit (within reason, respecting the rights of others). They do not have a right to be perceived as they wish by everyone else.
No, they don't have a *right* to be perceived as they wish by everyone else. Each individual also has free will to make their own decisions and judgments as they see fit. And other individuals around them are free to exercise their own free will to make their own decisions and judgments on that.
Well, good. That seems to be what's happening.
"Your teamās ābiological essentialismā denies free will. Human beings have a choice to decide the types of lives they wish to live. "
You DEMAND the world go along with their delusion.
You are an unbelievably self-obsessed narcissist.
Exactly. Trans people can dress however, have whatever surgery, take whatever hormones, and identify however the fuck they wish.
What they can't do is insist that I participate in their cosplay.
Fine, then don't participate.
Problem is, asshole, we're saying no, and they're telling us we must or else.
āā¦. denying the ability of human beings to choose their own direction in life.ā
I once tried to identify as a bear. Just wound up getting locked in a trunk.
Playing pretend can be dangerous.
Well it was good you were locked in. Otherwise there would have been a violation of NAP.
No one who opposes gender ideology believes biology demands men or women dress a particular way. You don't even understand your own side or the side you oppose.
Is it merely "gender ideology" to claim that gender and biological sex are different? Or is it objective reality?
It's definitely not objective reality because "gender" as it's being used is not an objective concept.
The concept of 'gender' is not fully objective because it is based on one's subjective feelings. Nevertheless it can still be considered an objective fact that there is a distinction between sex (biologically determined, objectively observable) and gender (socially determined, subjectively created).
Sure, there's a distinction. You just made it. That doesn't mean it's an interesting or particularly useful one. Or that actual transgender activists make the distinction. One could argue that the insistence that medical transitioning is a necessary thing for trans people means that they don't really believe in that distinction. Specific ways of expressing gender may be culturally dictated. That doesn't mean it is an entirely distinct phenomenon from sex.
Again: Pedo Jeffy is advocating that lewd sexual contact with kids isnāt assault. Thatās really all you need to know about his arguments on these topics.
https://reason.com/2023/06/26/federal-judge-blocks-floridas-anti-drag-law/?comments=true#comment-10127667
The concept of āraceā is not fully objective because it is based on oneās subjective feelings. Nevertheless it can still be considered an objective fact that there is a distinction between skin color (biologically determined, objectively observable) and race (socially determined, subjectively created).
Is that how it works? Why is it that we're supposed to 100% ignore biology for the sex/gender argument, but no one is ever to be allowed to "identify" as a different race? Odd, since the genetic difference between sexes is vastly larger than the genetic differences that code for the things associated with "race".
Again. Premises and words mean what jeff says they mean. Alice in Wonderland argumentation.
Men can get pregnant if you redefine "man" to mean "a woman calling herself a man and wearing clothing that, in 21st century western society, is typically worn by men." /jeff
That is not a "redefinition". That is ONE OF the definitions of the word 'man' that has been around for hundreds of years.
Again it's your team who insists on this insane 'biological essentialism' where one's biological sex determines the entire person's future, including the conventions and clothing that the person *must* wear.
Biological sex does indeed determine oneās sex. Call it "essentialism" if you want; I don't view it as a pejorative here. It was neither complicated nor controversial until retards and marxists started trying to groomer and castrate children.
No one fucking cares what clothes you wear or social conventions you follow. Putting on a dress doesnāt turn a man into a woman.
Biological sex does indeed determine oneās sex.
That's not the item of contention here. The issue is that of gender.
Biology does indeed dictate one's sex. But biology does not dictate one's gender. That is determined by one's free will.
Gender, as a concept, only existed in the linguistic fields until recently. It was then, somehow, applied to ābiological sexā as a euphemism for biological sex. (My best guess is people offended that āsexā was used for both the being and the act.) In linguistics, there are different genders depending on the language. English currently has one. Spanish has two. Others have three. However, they only get used due to biological reality. We are not amoebas with no separate sexes, nor are we specific species of fish able to switch between male to female when needed. We aren't reptiles either, whose sex is dependent on the temperature of the eggs in the nest. We're placental mammals and use fixed chromosomes for that. Your horse, cat, and dog all use the same chromosomes we do. Oddly, they're never confused as to male and female.
Horses and dogs and cats also don't have free will like human beings do.
Bullshit, Inceljeffy. You've never been around other animals much, have you? They have as much free will as we do. Yet, they seem to have issues defining male and female.
Youāve never been around other animals much, have you? They have as much free will as we do.
Now I know you are just a dishonest troll.
Inceljeffy, you're confusing a master-subservient relationship for a lack of free will. Of course, it fits with everything else you fail to understand.
It was neither complicated nor controversial until retards and marxists started trying to groomer and castrate children.
This. 1000x this.
50 years ago this conversation would be unintelligible. They are changing the language to moot logic. "Biological essentialism" is pure nonsense. The classification as MAMMAL is predicated on 2 sexes. What rational person would argue that sealions have gender separate from sex?
So why are these arguments happening? It is an orchestrated effort to undermine family groups. Separate children from parents and have everyone raised by the state. There will be exceptions for the elite ruling class, of course. They will be raised in the sure knowledge that people must be ruled.
Sea lions don't have free will like human beings do.
It is an orchestrated effort to undermine family groups. Separate children from parents and have everyone raised by the state.
This is paranoid nonsense. I am sure you can probably find some radicals somewhere who believe in the collectivist we-are-all-one-family utopia. But that is not at all mainstream.
If there is any "orchestrated effort", it is to free individuals of cloistering or restricting social conventions that no longer serve any useful social purpose.
50 years ago, if you are a man, you were expected to get married (to a woman of course), have children, raise a family, be the primary (if not sole) breadwinner of the family, be strong and emotionless in the face of tragedy, do stereotypically manly things like go hunting or drink beer or fix cars or watch football or be athletic. And now these social expectations are changing, some for the better and some for the worse. But at the end of the day, it's up to individuals to decide who they want to be, and while everyone else around them can offer advice and perspective on this, it is not their call, it is the individual's call.
Sea lions donāt have free will like human beings do.
Horseshit, Inceljeffy. Where the fuck do you think we get our free will from? There's no magic moment where humans got free will and other animals did not.
This is paranoid nonsense. I am sure you can probably find some radicals somewhere who believe in the collectivist we-are-all-one-family utopia. But that is not at all mainstream.
The fuck it isn't. They publish their screeds in Vanity Fair. That is mainstream.
HUNDREDS OF YEARS, YāALL
Which needs to be followed up with the laconic reply "If".
It is gender ideology to claim that gender identity is the only one that has any importance. Furthermore, I increasingly notice that LGBT ideologues use "gender" when they are actually referring to sex. Your side is not using these terms as you describe them, that sex is seen as having no actual meaning. Your argument is about a decade behind where that ideology is now.
I agree that the terms 'sex' and 'gender' are often used sloppily and inappropriately interchangedly. I have tried to be consistent in how I have used the terms.
Sex = determined by biology (male, female, very rarely intersex)
Gender = determined by one's own conception of adherence to social conventions
And even more confusingly, the terms 'man' and 'woman' can refer both to sex and to gender.
I can't speak for anyone else but myself. If a person claims that sex and gender are the same, then that person is wrong.
It is gender ideology to claim that gender identity is the only one that has any importance.
When it comes to interpersonal interactions, one's gender identity should have PRIMARY importance, don't you think?
Sex = determined by biology (male, female, very rarely intersex)
Gender = determined by oneās own conception of adherence to social conventions
Why does behavior which fall outside one's own conception of adherence to social conventions require medical intervention, now called "gender affirming care"?
Further to this point, why is āgender affirming careā required at all if gender is merely manifestation of one's free will?
I have to challenge your framing in using the word ārequireā here.
Iām sure you can find examples of people, especially within the psychatrist profession, who might use the word, ārequireā, or equivalent. But even among that profession they would tend to speak in more reserved terms, such as āoffer gender-affirming careā.
Setting that aside, the questions that are relevant on this libertarian site are ones of whether certain freedoms should be allowed:
ā Should an adult be allowed to seek gender-affirming care, regardless of whether you personally approve of their doing so?
ā Should parents be allowed to approve gender-affirming care for their child, regardless of whether you personally approve of their doing so? Secondary question: Are there types of gender-affirming care that should be denied to minors while others are allowed?
1) Yes, adults can mutilate themselves. As long as it is listed as totally cosmetic and not anything I am required to cover financially.
2) No. Parents should also not be allowed to starve anorexic children, for what it is worth.
Mind you, there is nary a difference in anorexia and "transgenderism" outside of one not being celebrated while the other very much is.
I think the only people who really *require* gender affirming care are the ones who are mentally ill and the care is to attempt to fix this disease state.
But at the end of the day, we are all different. We all choose to express ourselves in different ways.
But it doesnāt āfixā anything because, as weāve known with anorexics and bulemics for a good 30 years, you canāt fix mental issues with cosmetic surgeries.
This anorexia/bulimia analogy is quite stupid. For a disease like anorexia, the patient is underweight and believes that he/she is not. There is an objective standard for what is a healthy weight for most people and treatment for anorexia is to bring the patient into alignment with this standard.
For a disease like gender dysphoria, the patientās conception of gender is not in alignment with the patientās biological sex, and believes that they should be. Since there is no objective standard for what a personās gender āshould beā, the goal is to get the two into alignment by either changing the personās gender identity, or changing the personās outward appearance due to biological sex; OR to convince the patient that it is okay if the two are not in alignment. Which is the more ācorrectā approach, I would imagine, depends on the individual patient and the individual circumstances.
There is an objective standard.
It's that thing between your legs.
There is FAR more wiggle room on "healthy weight" than there is on "Am I REALLY a boy?"
One more time:
Just because a man has a penis, he is not biologically compelled to wear tuxedoes at formal events.
Just because a woman has a vagina, she is not biologically compelled to wear gowns and high heels at formal events.
Just because a man has a penis, he is not biologically compelled to wear tuxedoes at formal events.
He is required by the venue to signal his status.
Just because a woman has a vagina, she is not biologically compelled to wear gowns and high heels at formal events.
Again, required by the venue, but also why is she wearing heels if not to make her ass stick out? Oh, you never noticed that?
Hahahahahahahahahaha
No. Because making it of primary importance violates other peopleās rights. Such as, compelling women to undress in front of a male. Forcing women to compete in a womenā sports division against a male. Putting incarcerated women at risk of rape by housing male sex offenders claiming to be trans in womenās prisons. Telling people that they are bigots for only wanting a sexual relationship with a person of particular sex.
Those people I refer to are not so much claiming gender and sex the same, as claiming sex has no importance at all.
Telling people that they are bigots for only wanting a sexual relationship with a person of particular sex.
And when that argument is presented to children, which it is more and more every day, it is grooming.
Why is everyone letting Pedo Jeffy take up this much of their time?
Give him the finger while sneering and then ignore his fat groomer ass and idiotic expectorations.
Dude really knows how to stretch out threads. Particularly around his waistline.
Oh no, I di-ent! ā¦ā¦ Thank you, Iāll be here all week. Late, as usual but here just the same.
Why is everyone letting Pedo Jeffy take up this much of their time?
For my part, it is because I can't say this shit to my nephew, Coleen, without ostracizing the rest of my family. jeffy is my proxy for a once neglected child who has been encouraged to make decisions that will most likely prevent him from ever prospering.
Likewise, I have a number of people I'd like to say this to as well, but I'd ostracize friends and get my ass a perma-ban from Facebook, which I use to connect with other friends.
Clearly define what you mean by āgender ideologyā.
The belief that the terms "woman" and "man" are mere social constructs, divorced from biological sex, that gender is nothing more than an expression of stereotypical behaviors loosely associated with the social construct of "man" and "woman" and if your child displays any of these behaviors which are not "normative" to their physical body, that is evidence of non-conforming behavior, and immediate medical procedures must take place which are called "gender affirming care" which include but may not be limited to puberty blockers, chemical castration, and eventually surgical intervention, which preferably can take place outside the purview of the unsupportive parental unit.
Didn't we spend like the last 50 years-up until seemingly just very recently--trying to convince society that it was okay for boys to play dolls, for girls to play sports...that non-conformance to "gender-appropriate" behavior was okay?
Today, those kids will be fast-tracked into "gender-affirming care".
And didn't we learn over the last 50 years or so that homosexuality was "the way you're born" and not simply a lifestyle that people can choose?
Now in a world of transgendered individuals and gender fluidity, it seems more and more that choice plays a huge part in it, rendering a lot of pride events little more than recruiting. This totally belies the notion that "they're born that way".
Try to follow along...
Tommy Dorfman "was" a gay male actor (in some TV show I never heard of, but that's beside the point). He had been married to another man for some time.
About a year ago, Tommy decided that he was "non-binary" and started using "they" pronouns. "They" has since then divorced "their" husband.
And now "they" decided "they" are actually a transgender woman, with "she" pronouns. It is not clear to me whether there has been any surgery to complete that transition, but "she" decided to stick with the name Tommy.
And now "she" has decided that "she" like girls, and is in a relationship with a lesbian.
Not to mention, gay men spent decades trying to separate themselves from pedophiles, because one does not imply the other? And now the activists are pushing Minor Attracted People as a euphemism for pedophiles, and we know that changing the language is usually the first step.
Another reminder that Pedo Jeffy doesnāt think lewd sexual contact with children is assault:
https://reason.com/2023/06/26/federal-judge-blocks-floridas-anti-drag-law/?comments=true#comment-10127667
Reference to that comment seems to trigger Inceljeffy.
Why do you get so triggered by a spiked article?
Former Vice President Mike Pence has some words (in Reason) for conservatives who are abandoning free market principles.
And? Does anybody whether they be leftists, conservative or libertarian care what Mike Pence thinks? It's like with the Soave articles that involved Christie and Barr, Reason gives more credence to these has-beens than anyone in the conservative movement ever will again.
Christie has some sort of odd appeal for certain people. Decent chance he overtakes DeSantis for 2nd in a couple months if the DeSantis campaign doesn't make some big changes.
Those certain people being grifters.
CNN viewers who only like Republicans if they are has-been losers who attack effective Republicans.
Let's stay in the same zip code as reality.
Unlike Christie, DeSantis has accomplished stuff.
And unlike Trump, he did not give his power to trolls like Fauci.
DeSantis poll numbers have been cut in half by his campaign
Pence is right up there with Cheney for slavish adoration by leftists.
I care -- a little.
By Washington, D.C. standards, which are admittedly low, Pence is a man of principle. Although I disagree with some of his beliefs, I have a bit of respect for his (D.C.-level) integrity and sometimes want to hear his opinion.
Afraid of women with opinions.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/06/27/the-witch-trials-of-davina-mccall/
It was more often than not āloud and opinionated womenā who were targeted by witchfinders, wrote John Putnam Demos, the great Yale historian of Americaās 17th-century meltdown over witches. And so it is today. Nothing riles the right-thinking mob of our own era more than a woman with an opinion, especially if itās an opinion that runs dangerously counter to their own. Exhibit A: the flapping hysteria that followed Davina McCallās mild, polite expression of a point of view at the weekend.
For the speechcrime of describing a podcast as ābalancedā, McCall was denounced as a TERF. āChrist, sheās one of themā, cried a thousand men who think theyāre women. The witches of 17th-century New England were accused of āentertaining Satanā, said Putnam Demos; McCallās offence is to entertain Joanne Rowling, the great she-devil of the woke era, the morally fallen woman about whom no favourable opinion may be expressed. The poor women of Salem were supposedly seen consorting with the devil. Davina made the moral error of consorting with Rowling, of failing to damn her as an unspeakable bigot in the fashion of the digital mob.
Note the typically Orwellian abuse of language. āAnti-transā, they say, about women who are actually āpro-womenā. The rebranding of womenās rights campaigning as anti-trans agitation, and feminism as hate speech, and belief in biology as bigotry, is one of the grimmest achievements of the linguistic manipulators of the trans lobby. It creates a situation where anyone who says āI think women should have their own spacesā can be instantly denounced as a destroyer of identities, eraser of souls. Where even saying a podcast is ābalancedā can become a suspect utterance, leading to a written warning from the self-styled guardians of correct-think.
Whatās going on here? Maybe ātranswomenā have so thoroughly imbibed the sexist, surface-driven idea of what a woman is that they think they have to behave like dainty, fainting wallflowers to prove their āwomanhoodā. āSee how weak I am ā told you I was a lady!ā There is a delicious irony in the fact that men who masquerade as women are wailing over an opinion they donāt like, while real women will just calmly read McCallās tweet and think to themselves: āInteresting. Iāll have a listen to that pod.ā Itās almost as if the trans setās caricature of womanhood is just that: a caricature. Fellas, no amount of Victorian-style hankie-sniffing will disguise the fact that you have more testosterone than sense.
Whatās going on here? Maybe ātranswomenā have so thoroughly imbibed the sexist, surface-driven idea of what a woman is that they think they have to behave like dainty, fainting wallflowers to prove their āwomanhoodā.
Most Current Year trannies are little more than porn-addicted coomers who think that a vagina is nothing more than a hole to stick a dick or piss out of. They don't think it's an actual functioning part of a woman's body with its own physiology. That's why they get these ax wounds and end up having to dilate for the rest of their lives so it doesn't close up on them when they get the frankenvag.
What's going on ultimately is furthering an agenda to tear down existing social and political systems and replace them with Marxist utopia, run by the people who have anointed themselves as the woke, queer elite.
As a practical matter I'm not sure what possible use these people have for these things. If they want to eliminate their male genitalia it's not complicated. But to create an open wound would only seem useful for penetration presumably by a penis or sex toy. Again the population of males, gay, straight or otherwise, willing to participate would seem to be incredibly tiny. Also as I understand it it's impossible to actually reconstruct the nerve endings down there that biological women are born with and most of these people will never have an orgasm. These are sad mentally disturbed people. I have no problem with adults mutilating their bodies as long as they can pay for it. These people have always been with us. But sending a child down this road to a lonely pathetic life is criminal.
They donāt think itās an actual functioning part of a womanās body with its own physiology.
This is what I simply cannot fathom.
How can any ethical surgeon justify removing a perfectly functional organ to replace it with a marginally functional substitute that will require a lifetime of medical intervention to maintain? Conditions that create constant discomfort and pain have a very high correlation to suicide.
And the role of a psychiatrist should be to assist a patient in coming to terms with the body they are born with, not advocate for them to use drugs and surgery to obtain the body they wish they had. Does the APA advocate for HGH off-label use for youth who are suicidal because they are not as tall as they imagine they should be?
There affirming care you bigot!!!1!1!1!! - jeff
The 'well-behaved women rarely make history' canard has surfaced in yet another iteration, I see. McCall being dogpiled is bs, this said, using the Salem trials is some typical emotive horseshit, and not up to O'Neill's normal standards. The fact that he manages to omit the fact that there's a damned good chance that at least some of the girls at Salem were faking, and pointing out innocent people, which would detract from his take, is something I would expect from reasonmag.
I'm not the only person thinking about "Brace for the upcoming war between trans activists and biological female homosexuals. ", but apparently biological male homosexuals have some issues too.
"The civil war among the LGBTQ community is seemingly escalating after a survey showing that support towards the community is reducing by 7% from last year. Furthermore, some of the lesbians, gays and bisexual individuals are stating that this is the fault of the trans and queer community. They are stating that the trans and queer community is hijacking their cause for equality.
Fred Sargeant
Ā·Jun 19, 2023
@FredSargeantĀ·Follow
10% drop in support for LGB relationships can be tied right to the excesses of gender/queer ideology. All our decades long hard work undone by the unworthy. Time to end the forced teaming. LGBāļøTQ+
First Johns Hopkins and now Planned Parenthood, starting to tickle the ire of folks inclined to be on their side...
Planned Parenthood announced that abortions arenāt just for the ladies:
āLabeling abortion as only āwomenās rightsā or a āwomenās issueā erases the experiences and identities of queer, nonbinary, and trans folks who also have abortions and downplays the additional barriers they face when accessing care. Abortion access affects us all, period.ā
Planned Parenthood isnāt the only organization that uses interesting language to describe women. Instead of āwomen,ā organizations and individuals have started using any of the following:
pregnant people
people who get abortions
birthing parent
birthing people
[Flashback: remember the Canadian transgender activist who sued several gynecologists for refusing to give "her" a PAP smear? Poor doctors didn't know how to get past the penis and testicles to try to locate a cervix.]
Not everybody is on board with this new wording, even those on the left. New York Times columnist Pamela Paul said of changing women into people that it:
āā¦isnāt just a semantic issue; itās also a question of moral harm, an affront to our very sense of ourselves.ā
And The Atlanticās Helen Lewis said:
āBy substituting people for women, we lose the ability to speak of women as a class. We dismantle them into pieces, into functions, into commodities.ā
Ok, so, gay men actually do get pap smears done (yes, of the bung) to check for things like HPV. I used to work for a medical group that dealt with pap records and we had some honest biological males in there, for that reason.
Now, I'm not sure a gynecologist is the right physician to see for that, but the concept of an individual with a twig and berries getting a pap smear isn't as completely insane as it sounds.
But for Johns Hopkins, the definition of lesbian is all about men, with āwomanā barely earning a passing reference.
āLesbian [sexual orientation]: A non-man attracted to non-men. While past definitions refer to ālesbianā as a woman who is emotionally, romantically, and/or sexually attracted to other women, this updated definition includes non-binary people who may also identify with the label.ā
"Lesbian was literally the only word in English language that is not tied to man- as in male- feMALE, man- woMAN," tennis star Martina Navratilova, who is a lesbian, tweeted Monday. "And now lesbians are non men?!? Wtf?!?"
Arielle Scarcella, a YouTuber and self-proclaimed lesbian, called the move āprogressive misogyny.ā
"What is a non-man though? If a non-man includes potentially anything, then is it possible that this is just complete erasure of what it means to be gay or lesbian? Or even bisexual for that matter."
"Trans ideology is inherently homophobic."
"What the actual f....? So now we're not just reduced to being body parts or bleeders or a mere subset of women, we're now "non-men". ļæ½ļæ½ļæ½ļæ½ļæ½ļæ½
"Right, so the term "man" doesn't need to be updated to include the make-believe "non-binary" gender, but "woman" does. Classic sexism."
"Itās 100% about erasing women."
"Iām a lesbian! How insulting is this?! FFS! ļæ½ļæ½
"If you donāt agree, youāre obviously a bigoted transphobe.
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Barry, the lying sack of shit.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/06/28/what-obama-gets-wrong-about-race/
Former president Barack Obama no longer believes that non-white Americans can be successful in the US.
I am being a bit glib, but only a bit. During a podcast interview last week with former Democratic Party apparatchik David Axelrod, Obama criticised Tim Scott, black Republican senator for South Carolina and 2024 presidential candidate. Scott is well-known for his optimism and belief in the American Dream, previously stating that āI know America is a land of opportunity, not a land of oppressionā. Taking a clear swipe at Scott, Obama said: āI think thereās a long history of African American or other minority candidates within the Republican Party who will validate America and say, āEverythingās great, and we can make itā.ā
Beyond the sheer bizarreness of a former national leader describing his own country as a racist hole, Obama is just plain wrong. Evidence shows that it is simply not true that non-white Americans canāt make it in the US.
This claim is quickly disproven by a look at the Census Bureauās lists of household income by ethnicity. The wealthiest population group in the US is not white Americans, but rather Indian Americans. This group brings in a median household income of $142,000 annually, in comparison to just under $75,000 for Caucasians. The second-richest group is Taiwanese Americans, who pull down $119,000 per year for each household. In fact, most of the top 10 highest-earning groups (and all of those consistently averaging six figures per year) are racial minorities ā Indians, the Taiwanese, Filipinos ($101,000), Pakistanis ($102,000), Sri Lankans ($97,000), Iranians ($96,000) and Chinese Americans ($93,000).
In contrast, one of the poorer groups listed is white Appalachian Americans, at $50,000 per home per year. On the other hand, black immigrants tend to do fairly well, with the Guyanese, Ghanaians, Barbadians, Trinidadians and Nigerians all coming in at above the $70,000 per year mark. Jamaicans ($66,000) and other West Indians ($64,000) also come close. Nigerian immigrants are one of the best-educated groups in the US, ahead of both Asian and white Americans.
African Americans do quite a bit worse. However, the median black household income as of 2021 ā an Appalachia-like $47,000 ā still ranks higher than the median household incomes for the UK, Austria and Italy. In any case, the high earnings of African and Caribbean immigrants demonstrate that African Americansā low performance cannot be due to racism. Rather, it is largely down to the fact that black households tend to have fewer people in them.
Obamaās ācannot succeedā claim is strange given the reality of modern America, and given his own background and path through life. Simply put, Obama is not a descendant of American slaves. His mother was an upper-middle-class white woman from Kansas and his father was a prominent Kenyan economist. Obama grew up primarily in well-off enclaves, such as in upscale districts of Hawaiiās Honolulu and Indonesiaās Jakarta. Young Obama was surrounded by other wealthy non-white groups and expats. While this might be a little politically incorrect to say out loud, watching him try to explain the US black experience to Scott, a scion of the Carolina cotton country, borders on the surreal.
Good example of why no one trusts wingnut "news" - Obama never said that a minority cannot succeed in the US today.
All you wingnuts have is lies.
Did you bother to read the article, Shrike, or did you do your usual and comment without reading?
Listen, you moron. There are two quotes attributed to Obama in the article.
āI think thereās a long history of African American or other minority candidates within the Republican Party who will validate America and say, āEverythingās great, and we can make itā.ā
and
āWe canāt just ignore all that and pretend as if everythingās equal and fair. We actually have to walk the walk and not just talk the talk.ā
I went to Axios (reputable) and found nothing like "black people can't succeed today".
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; itās all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know heās a liar.
If anything he posts isnāt a lie, itās totally accidental.
turd lies; itās what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Hasn't Sen. Scott "walked the walk?"
You mean Senator Beetlejuice?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetlejuice_(entertainer)
Don't forget that turd lies. turd lies when he knows heās lying. turd lies when we know heās lying. turd lies when he knows that we know heās lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Nope. Mayor Lori owns that one forever.
The real Beetlejuice is smarter than Lori.
Chicago voters have replaced Beetlejuice with a Sleestak. Harvard has hired Beetlejuice, " she will teach a course tentatively titled āHealth Policy and Leadership,ā drawing heavily on her experiences steering the city through the COVID-19 pandemic and grappling with health equity issues." Because the seat for Rioting and and Looting Policy and Leadership" was awarded to someone else.
Yes, yes, let your racism flow. Fucking shitbag.
The author didn't submit that as a quote. He made a statement
"Former president Barack Obama no longer believes that non-white Americans can be successful in the US. I am being a bit glib, but only a bit.
By saying "I am being a bit glib", the author is stating that he is making a superficial interpretation of the former President's words.
So no one so far has ever said that Obama said āblack people canāt succeed todayā, just that that's how the author interpreted--glibly--Obama's words.
Nonetheless, Obama's words do say that he thinks Tim Scott's words--which Obama glibly represented as "Everythingās great, and we can make itā (I searched and found no evidence that Tim Scott ever said any such thing)--are wrong. That can reasonably lead to the interpretation of "Everything's NOT great, and we CAN'T make it".
SPB...read?
Not sure it has the capacity to do and understand much.
ITL actually posted more than the headline and leader, so I understand why a hicklib Democrat pederast like you would find that confusing.
Tim Scott is a fucking lying step-n-fetch-it Beetlejuice (from Howard Stern Show) pimp-boy.
I saw his town hall where he berated Washington DC for their "big-spending Biden caused" inflation.
Guess what? That little POS voted for the BIG Spending of The Dotard's - both CARES Act and PPP.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows heās lying. turd lies when we know heās lying. turd lies when he knows that we know heās lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
And you're a hicklib pederast that deserves the Joseph Rosenbaum treatment.
Shut the fuck up, you lying redneck Trump trash. I tell the truth.
Quote Obama saying black people can't succeed today. At least that moron ITL tucked his tail and ran.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; itās all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know heās a liar.
If anything he posts isnāt a lie, itās totally accidental.
turd lies; itās what he does. turd is a TDS-addled asshole and lying pile of lefty shit.
Shut the fuck up yourself, you hicklib pederast. You haven't said a single true thing in your entirely slack-jawed existence.
I don't have time or energy, or even the desire to combat every little niggle you have, you pederast piece of crap.
1. You never bothered to read the article as you never do with any of them, whether we post it, or you post it (which is an even bigger bit of stupidity on your part).
2. Obama has made these claims in various terms over the past 4-6 years. You are so blinded to it by your own racism and idiocy.
3. Your racist hatred of any black politician who doesn't toe the Democrats' line is showing once again.
4. For you, it seems to be #DefendDemocratsAtAllCosts.
Or simply "lie constantly".
Quote Obama then, moron. You're lying.
If Obama has really said that a black person cannot succeed in the US today that would be a truly reprehensible thing to say.
But you post lies.
Let's start, dork.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/06/16/race-republicans-obama/
āI think there is a long history of African American or other minority candidates within the Republican Party who will validate America and say everythingās great and we can all make it,ā Obama replied. Celebrations of success, he continued, instead need to be āundergirded with an honest accounting of our past and our present.ā
āIf a Republican who may even be sincere in saying 'I want us all to live togetherā doesnāt have a plan for how do we address crippling generational poverty that is a consequence of hundreds of years of racism in the society and we need to do something about that,ā Obama said, āif that candidate is not willing to acknowledge that, again and again, weāve seen discrimination in everything from getting a job to buying a house to who the criminal justice system operates for, then I think people are rightly skeptical.ā
āThere may come a time where thereās somebody in the Republican Party that is more serious about actually addressing some of the deep inequality that still exists in our society,ā Obama told Axelrod, inequality āthat tracks race and is a consequence of our racial history. And if that happens, I think that would be fantastic. I havenāt yet seen it.ā
Nowhere did Obama say blacks "cannot succeed" in the US today.
But wait, there's more!
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/16/935475339/obama-on-racial-issues-during-his-presidency-through-lens-of-his-new-memoir
BARACK OBAMA: Here's one thing I never believed - right? - was the fever of racism being broken by my election. That I was pretty clear about. I never subscribed to the, we live in a post-racial era. But I think that what did happen during my presidency was, yes, a backlash among some people who felt that somehow, I symbolized the possibility that they or their group were losing status not because of anything I did but just by virtue of the fact that I didn't look like all the other presidents previously.
OBAMA: Well, because I think the police are given a task in our society of keeping a lid on communities that are suffering from broader injustices. And we don't like talking about those broader systemic injustices. We don't like talking about the fact that if you grow up in a certain ZIP code, you're much less likely to be able to get a good education. You're much less likely to be able to be part of the networks that allow you ultimately to get a good job. You're much less likely to get good social services in those areas. And that's the responsibility - that's not the police's fault. That's society's fault.
Nowhere did Obama say blacks ācannot succeedā in the US today.
After Obama's election and even before a majority of Americans of all races believed that race relations were good and improving according to polls. Obama destroyed that good will because progressives and leftist grifters need racial division to justify their existence.
Then, we'll see his wife, Michelle.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/30/politics/michelle-obama-george-floyd-statement-trnd/index.html
āIt just goes on, and on, and on. Race and racism is a reality that so many of us grow up learning to just deal with. But if we ever hope to move past it, it canāt just be on people of color to deal with it,ā she wrote. āItās up to all of usāBlack, white, everyoneāno matter how well-meaning we think we might be, to do the honest, uncomfortable work of rooting it out.ā
Looks like Obama said that black people cannot succeed in the US today at least as much as trump said that nazis are good people.
Actually more.
And for comic relief this morning:
"...I tell the truth..."
That's great, turd! You're a laugh a minute!
turd'll be here all week, lying through his teeth.
And SRG claims he isnt a shrike sock. Yet the same epitaph used for both socks lol.
Because I'm not a shrike sock. What "epitaph" are you talking about?
Lol.
JesseAZ: "both SPBP and SRG used the word 'liar'" so they're the same person.
BTW I think you confused "epitaph" with "epithet" - those spirochaetes playing up again?
Shrike. Do you know what the word means?
you lying redneck Trump trash.
You realize you have verbal tics right? No matter how often you try to hide them.
That is very funny.
First, āepitaphā is typically an inscription on a tomb or memorial, while āepithetā meant, generally, an adjective but has now come to mean insulting language.
Second āyou lying redneck Trump trashā is clearly not me I might call you a lying redneck ā though I use āredneckā rarely, preferring ācrackerā, but āTrump trashā is alien to me. I have used the term āTrumpsuckerā, and āTrumpista/Trumpistā and even on occasion āTrumpenproletariatā, which, while ingenious, is probably wasted on you. And I donāt use the word ātrashā like that ā itās not commonly used in Britain, and since living here itās still not a regular part of my vocabulary in context ā Iād say ārubbishā or āgarbageā
Or, for short, youāre a fucking idiot.
No, youāre a lying racist, sexist piece of subhuman filth.
And to top it all off, youāre such a colossal ducking moron that you still donāt understand that NOBODY FUCKING CLAIMED HE DID.
So did Schiff who even said it wasn't enough yet you were praising him yesterday... what's the difference... oh black conservative.
Schiff has pointed out the many meetings and discussions the Trump campaign had with Kremlin officials.
You deny that fact. The House lied about Schiff.
Own it.
You're still sticking with Russiagate even though it has been proven a hoax and false multiple times over. Schiff lied about everything, and you, for some fucked up reason, just can't get over or past it.
There he goes again. Thereās nothing Pluggo hates more than a black man thinking for himself. Get back on the Democrat plantation, Uncle Tim. Amirite, pedo?
You sound triggered.
Racist.
Wow, racist much?
"Tim Scott is a fucking lying step-n-fetch-it Beetlejuice (from Howard Stern Show) pimp-boy."
I so love the tolerant left.
Goddamn. What a prick. Hopefully Pluggo will plug himself at some point.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows heās lying. turd lies when we know heās lying. turd lies when he knows that we know heās lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled asshole, a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
All you have is weird little nit-picky criticisms that totally miss the point. Of course he hasn't declared that it is literally impossible for a black person to succeed in the US. That would be an absurd and obviously false thing to say as there are clearly successful black people. The author even acknowledges that he is being glib with his opening claim. And here you are insisting that people back up a claim that was never intended literally.
What is the point then?
The lying asshole says:
Evidence shows that it is simply not true that non-white Americans canāt make it in the US.
Which Obama never claims.
Since Obama never said "black people can't succeed", then the entire article is arguing against a strawman.
And people wonder why I criticize Brendan O'Neill.
the entire article is arguing against a strawman
You STILL don't understand what a strawman argument is, you pathetic shill.
Obama followed up, "...we can make it'" (i.e., African Americans can succeed) with "No" and then further expounded that, "we canāt just ignore all that and pretend as if everythingās equal and fair."
Explain why his comments together should not be inferred to mean "African Americans can't succeed because everything is not yet equal and fair."
Show your work.
inferred
Inferred, yes. That is not a dirty word or a rhetorical trick. It is something that intelligent people rely on so they don't have to explain everything as if to a child like I seem to have to do for you.
Obama made a statement about the way republicans emphasize the success of black people and then responded to it in the negative signaling his disagreement. If he did not want people to infer anything from his comments he should have stated his point directly.
You are being purposefully obtuse in your attempt to score points with the same argument you are constantly peppered with. Engaging in extended logical fallacies.
Not a strawman, and OāNeil is more of a libertarian than you will ever be.
The entire article is arguing against this strawman:
Former president Barack Obama no longer believes that non-white Americans can be successful in the US.
which Obama did not say.
Yes he did, you disingenuous cunt.
I have to go across the pond to find out what the stakes are just because someone is having a personal "promethean transformation".
Och, aye, Eire; I weep for thee. I don't foresee the emerald isle coming back from the hole they've fallen into, it's too deep and the fuckwits are too deeply entrenched.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12240089/Trump-sticks-story-showing-newspapers-not-classified-doc.html
'I did nothing wrong': Trump sticks with his story that he was showing off newspapers and magazine articles after CNN releases damning audio of him flaunting 'highly confidential' and 'secret information' about Iran
Former President Donald Trump said Tuesday in New Hampshire that he had 'done nothing wrong'
He was responding to the CNN release of an audio recording in which he's heard discussing 'highly confidential' and 'secret' Iran documents
Trump continued to say the comments were about 'newspaper articles, copies of magazines, copies of different plans, copies of stories'
It is the Principle of the Infallible Trump. Everything he says is correct.
Now tell us about the principle of the Satanic/Hitler Trump.
That is the principle that OTHER morons believe that Trump is Literally Worse Than Hitler.
Trump isn't infallible and he isn't Worse Than Hitler.
if you think this is all about some mishandled documents then you're not gonna make it
You saying he would have been charged anyway if he'd given the documents back instead of dodging people and making excuses for years?
They probably would have found something. 3 felonies a day and all that.
surely you're not this dense
New here?
The Espionage Act has a whoopsies clause?
Maybe it's like that parade chant.
You know, satire.
Also, he's been saying it for years so why is it a problem all of a sudden now.
And oh yeah, context.
For sound economic perspective please go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/
Fuck no.
I keep telling the son-of-a-bitch that as nice as I can and he won't listen.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12241783/Elon-Musk-shows-throw-technique-ahead-fight-Mark-Zuckerberg.html
It's on! Elon Musk shows off his throw-down technique in 'epic' sparring session with Lex Fridman who lauded his 'strength and power' as Twitter CEO gears up for $1BN Vegas cage fight with rival Mark Zuckerberg
The Twitter CEO, 51, has been training with Fridman, who holds a black belt
It comes ahead of $1billion Vegas cage fight with the Facebook founder, 39
I'd pay a dollar to see that.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12242131/Godzilla-Ramen-featuring-crocodile-leg-hangs-edge-bowl-hit-Taiwan.html
Godzilla Ramen - featuring a crocodile leg that hangs off the edge of the bowl - is a monster hit in Taiwan
The Witch Cat restaurant said no one has been brave enough to try the ramen yet
Such a big hit that nobody has tried it. That makes a lot of sense.
Investigating Fauci.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_680d45d4-152a-11ee-81c3-e3a594ad1023.html
A U.S. House Committee tasked with delving into the origins of COVID-19 plan a new hearing to discuss an investigation into whether the federal government suppressed information related to the theory that COVID-19 came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology lab in China.
Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic Chairman Brad Wenstrup announced the hearing, which will be held July 11. The committee has conducted transcribed interviews with every U.S. contributor to the now infamous āProximal Originsā document, a paper Wenstrup says was pushed by Dr. Anthony Fauci, former head of the federal COVID response, to discredit the Wuhan lab theory.
Since then, though, more evidence has emerged backing the Wuhan theory, including more details into Chinaās response as well reports from the FBI and U.S. Department of Energy saying that the Wuhan lab is the most likely source of COVID.
āThese scientists have essential information to share with Americans about the cover-up of the origins of COVID-19 and the potential suppression of the lab-leak hypothesis by Dr. Fauci, Dr. Collins, and other public health authorities,ā Wenstrup said. āA complete look at all the facts is necessary, and the truth is nonnegotiable.ā
Toss Fauci off a fucking rooftop.
I'd favor from the top of the Sears Tower, personally.
If you did it that way, you'd only get one chance.
love it.
I approve. Instead of dropping him 1454 ft a single time, drop him 10 ft 145 times.
I was thinking something two or three story, so we could do it more than once.
I was thinking more of the explosion he'd have hitting the pavement at the bottom.
SPLAT!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12241211/Carlson-mocks-worlds-foremost-democracy-advocate-Zelensky-attacks-Bidens-support-Ukraine.html
Tucker Carlson launches scathing attack on Biden's support for Ukraine in new Twitter show - and mocks 'world's foremost democracy advocate' Zelensky for refusing to hold elections while country is at war
Tucker Carlson on Tuesday night posted the seventh episode of his Twitter show, entitled: 'Irony Alert: the war for democracy enables dictatorship'
Carlson questioned once again why the United States was involved in the Ukraine conflict
He accused Zelensky of veering towards dictatorship for refusing to promise elections next year while the country is under martial law
I didn't read too much into the details but it looks like Ukrainian law says no elections during martial law, and Tucker's angry that Zelensky is following his country's law. How dare he? What a bastard!
Literally parroting the take of others about martial law. Well played.
Also, he was mocking the US establishment politicians who claimed we must support Ukraine to "defend Democracy". He even played a montage of US politicians saying exactly that in exactly those words.
So the suspension of democracy kinda underlines how ridiculous that justification is.... And more importanty, the immediate pivot to justifications as to why it doesn't matter also underscores the thin pretext that is "defending democracy".
Not that it isn't a tried and true pretext. I don't think we have a single war or "police action" since WWII where we didn't quote defending democracy as a reason.
But you gotta admit, suspending democracy during a war to defend Democracy is pretty heavy with irony.
But you gotta admit, suspending democracy during a war to defend Democracy is pretty heavy with irony.
I can see that point of view, but I donāt agree with it. How do you hold an election during wartime? Do you give ballots to refugees outside the country who plan to return, or just people left in the country? How do you know the elections are legit in the middle of a war zone? And is it worth it to potentially disrupt the government in the middle of a war? There are all kinds of practical reasons to not have an election while foreign invaders are destroying cities.
Sure... But it is still ironic.
Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus to defend freedom... So not unprecedented. But still ironic.
And Lincoln got slapped by the courts... and Lincoln was a tyrant, so there wasn't a lot of "irony" there at all.
As RFK who is by my latest estimation, literally worse than Josh Hawley said in his speech to the right wing Nazi libertarians at the Free State Project's Porcfest, "The constitution was put in place for hard times, not for easy times" when specifically noting Lincoln's suspension of Habeas.
There are all kinds of practical reasons to not have an election while foreign invaders are destroying cities.
Yeah, like that the populace might not approve of the way you are prosecuting a war and refusing to negotiate an armistice.
Or they may think you are foolish to take military aid from NATO when your enemy's implicitly stated intention is to keep you from forming a military pact with NATO, which the nation agreed to by treaty.
Or that they saw through your chickenshit playacting about being a soldier while flying to the other side of the world to beg for money that never seems to trickle down to the people.
Or...
Especially given that we managed to pull an election off in 1944. We had a little problem to deal with.
Also did so in 1864. Also had a small problem to deal with.
Elections in the UK forced Churchill to resign prior to Potsdam, which certainly emboldened Soviet expansion into Eastern Europe. Stalin openly bragged that he was the only one of the wartime leaders still standing when the agreement was signed.
A leader committed to democracy and fair elections and certain that he has support would suspend martial law long enough to hold the election. The criticism is well founded.
The inspector general, Michael E. Horowitz, referred two employees, including one supervisor, for criminal prosecution by the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York after they were caught falsifying records. But prosecutors declined to bring charges
, because they were *reasonable* prosecutors.
Crimes should be judged solely on race and ideology.
And when they are, Reason will stick it in a Brickbat. Meanwhile, let's spill 3000 words on sex work.
NBC defends Pride parade saying they're coming for the children
https://twitchy.com/sarahd/2023/06/27/brian-krassenstein-defends-himself-and-digs-own-grave-even-deeper-n2384877
"The ācoming for your childrenā chant has been used for years at Pride events, according to longtime march attendees and gay rights activists, who said itās one of many provocative expressions used to regain control of slurs against LGBTQ people."
Leftists are now so entangled in LGBT getting close to children they're condoning outright statements of child targeting and gay men being fully naked around children.
This whole thing is a Rorschach test.
The chant is either:
- a sarcastic, mocking chant intended to trigger the normies
- a genuine threat proving that gays are grooming kids
If you already think gays are pedophiles grooming kids, then of course the chant confirms your fears.
If you think that gays are just normal people like you and me, then of course the chant is just mocking their critics, not a genuine plan of action.
And if you're like chemtard who claims that plainly stated words aren't what they really mean, and have a history of being an apologist for grooming of minors and child molesters, then of course you claim the latter to try and deflect the criticism.
And if you're an authoritarian asshole like RRWP here, you'll interpret any statement made by the 'enemy' in the worst possible light in order to justify one's own authoritarian impulses to 'shove them back in the closet'.
And if you're a special pleading sack of shit like chemtard, you'll act like Humpty Dumpty and claim the words you say mean whatever you want them to mean at any given time to deflect from criticism and consequences for saying it.
This.
By the way if you havenāt read the abridged version to see all the references to to see the symbolism of the words as an attack against post modernist changes to mathematics by Carrol I highly recommend it.
Please, continue to let your hate flow.
Your team loves to claim that they don't "hate" transgender people or LGBTQ people, that they just "hate the sin" (if they are the religious type), or that they are "just protecting kids".
Every day when you open your mouth, you refute your own team's fake arguments. It is not about "protecting kids", it is about using state violence against a minority because you hate them.
So mutilating a kid's genitalia is now a good thing, Inceljeffy?
1.5M in lifetime costs and permanent disfigurement for a child who doesn't have informed consent is not a violation of the NAP according to jeff.
Gee, ITL, that kind of comment sure sounds 'provocative' to me. Maybe I should apply the RRWP standard to your comment.
chemtard radical deathfat hates accurate descriptions of what he supports.
If only Hitler had called his death camps Jewish Affirming Camps.
Your team loves to claim that they donāt āhateā transgender people or LGBTQ people, that they just āhate the sinā (if they are the religious type), or that they are ājust protecting kidsā.
Your team loves to claim that they are providing āgender-affirming careā while convincing minors to undergo permanent mutilations of their normal, healthy bodies, while also claiming that children should be exposed to sexuality as early as possible as a liberating exercise.
Itās not my team thatās the sick fucks here. And yes, there's nothing wrong with hating people who openly admit they target kids. There's also nothing wrong with hating pedophiles and child molesters. You're the only one here arguing otherwise.
And if youāre like chemtard who claims that plainly stated words arenāt what they really mean...
Or every Trump follower who defends him by saying "He didn't really mean that, he was just trying to trigger the left."
Yes, I realize you have to defend the fat pederast because he's one of the few people who doesn't yell at you on here, but playing the "but Trump" card doesn't invalidate that criticism of him.
So Trump can say stuff his followers know he doesn't mean, just to rile up the people who don't like him, and it's totally ok. Not only is it ok, but people who take him seriously are fools.
But when people you don't like do the same thing they're to be taken totally seriously, and anyone who says different is a fool.
Understood.
Deflecting to Trump doesn't make the open declaration of targeting children for sexual grooming any less wrong.
Just wanted to be sure you're fine with applying different standards to people doing the same thing, depending on how you feel about the people doing it. I'll take your deliberate dodge as confirmation.
I mean the opposite could be said of every Tweek that thought his tweets were literal violence, but are giving these chanters the benefit of the doubt.
chemjeff, by definition, being gay is not normal; heterosexuality is normal. That is just biology, not a value judgment.
As for the tranny chanting, it is just deliberately provocative. You know. I know it. When you deliberately provoke someone, don't bitch at the response you get. Maybe exercise a little circumspection?
Well, one might argue that the label 'normal' is itself an inescapable value judgment.
As for the provocation - yes, it is provocative. I agree. If this were a formal Oxford debate it would be inappropriate.
But it's not, and lots of rallies and protests have lots of provocations in them. Gun rights rallies have all sorts of people proudly displaying all sorts of guns. Abortion rights rallies have people with signs saying things like "tweet your abortion" or whatnot. That is part of the protest. To be a little bit provocative.
chemjeff, by definition, being gay is not normal; heterosexuality is normal. That is just biology, not a value judgment.
Except that for them it is normal. They don't choose to be gay. Could you? Didn't think so. Being attracted to the opposite sex is as unnatural to them as being attracted to the same sex is to you.
If 3% of the population could shove food up their ass and shit out their mouths, while the other 97% had to do it the other way, the 3% would obviously be āoutside the normā, even if the 3% thought it was crazy to do it the other way. Because itās not a perspective thing, itās just a numbers game.
Being attracted to the opposite sex is as unnatural to them as being attracted to the same sex is to you.
Yeah, that is not the way it works.
XY, groups made up of people who believe that are incapable of being wrong are not likely to be big on either introspection or circumspection.
Yeah, I know. Still though, we have to try.
I first read that as "XY groups", as in - women. Whether talking about Karens or the woke, the comment is on point either way.
AP News, from 1994:
Gay Groups Try to Put Distance Between Themselves and Pedophile Group
Now, it would be tempting for conservatives to say "see? They're wrapped up with NAMBLA!". But the subtext here is the LGB community in the 1990s was working overtime to make sure they WEREN'T associated with NAMBLA.
There is a sense-- and a legitimate sense in my estimation-- that the interest in disassociation from MAPs has take a bit of a back seat. For instance, if Drag Queens (in particular) are NOT "coming for your children" why is Drag Queen story hour even a thing? Why can't the drag queens go back to doing what they used to do best: Do baudy shows in little urban cafes, allowing straight white people in attendance to feel like they're doing something edgy and naughty?
And if you read your Queer Agrippa, you will discover that there has long been a movement within the deepest, most academic part of the Queer movement to sexualize children. But at least as recently as the 1990s "gay normies" (and yes, I think I can pretty confidently say such a thing as a testament to how far we've come on gay rights) weren't super comfortable with that end of the movement.
Oh, by the way, the above article has been memory holed by AP News.
https://apnews.com/article/c64e816cac5b0fa1194dd40f576813b2
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Had to go to the Wayback machine to get it. I believe it was up on the AP News website as recently as April 23, so the conspiracy theorist side of me says, "someone or something is on the move here".
For instance, if Drag Queens (in particular) are NOT ācoming for your childrenā why is Drag Queen story hour even a thing?
You know just as well as everyone else here advocates of such story hours say they are to promote acceptance. To pretend youāve never heard that justification is disingenuous.
Now, you may disagree with them, but donāt pretend youāve never heard a quite common, standard explanation from drag queen story hour advocates.
And you claim cutting off breasts of minors is to promote Healthcare.
Why do Drag Queens (who are not transgender) need acceptance from minors?
Now, it would be tempting for conservatives to say āsee? Theyāre wrapped up with NAMBLA!ā. But the subtext here is the LGB community in the 1990s was working overtime to make sure they WERENāT associated with NAMBLA.
So they tried to appease their conservative critics. Did it work? Did they get credit for disassociating themselves from NAMBLA? Or did their conservative critics continue to call them pedophiles and groomers anyway?
So I'm quite certain that many of them thought that they ought to disassociate from NAMBLA because they thought pedophilia was rightly abhorrent. But to the extent they did it because their critics were accusing them of being in league with pedophiles, then the strategy failed badly.
The fundamental truth is that a very large number of people who are opposed to "the gay lifestyle" is because they believe that homosexuality ITSELF is immoral and an abomination, regardless of if they are associated with NAMBLA or not; and they don't want homosexuals associated with kids because they view it as *morally no different* than pedophilia - just as sinful, just as abominable - regardless of any formal association with NAMBLA or not.
For instance, if Drag Queens (in particular) are NOT ācoming for your childrenā why is Drag Queen story hour even a thing? Why canāt the drag queens go back to doing what they used to do best: Do baudy shows in little urban cafes, allowing straight white people in attendance to feel like theyāre doing something edgy and naughty?
Why should drag queens be treated like they are doing something naughty by just stepping out in public?
Yes, they did get credit, which is why vast majorities of the American Public (even those icky conservatives you hate so much) had been changing their views on acceptance of gays and lesbians right up to the point the bathroom antics started up in 2015-2016.
The fact you think distancing themselves from a group of people who think itās okay to be attracted to minors is appeasement of anybody instead of just plain goddamn common sense is fucking weird.
The LGBTQ community got more acceptance generally, but not because of any position they took on NAMBLA. Look at the year, 1994. What was happening about that time? Clinton was putting "gays in the military" and Republicans were having a fit. That is also about the time that Clinton imposed his "don't ask don't tell" rule. Two years later, Republicans and Clinton approved DOMA. It was right AFTER all of this when Republicans started pushing their "sanctity of marriage" laws.
As I said, I'm sure many of them opposed NAMBLA because of principled opposition to pedophilia, but to the extent they did it as a tactical matter to appease their critics, it completely failed.
Appeasement just doesn't work. The critics will take the appeasement as weakness and just shift the goalposts to some other criticism and demand some other change. It is the equivalent of "give an inch and they'll demand a mile".
since many queers ARE grooming kids, we know what is going on with this chant dont we
Care to explain the intent of fully naked men riding bike with little children in public?
https://www.newsweek.com/seattle-lgbtq-pride-parade-nudity-outrage-1809620
And it is not an isolated event.
https://nypost.com/2023/06/27/bud-light-sponsors-toronto-pride-parade-attended-by-naked-men-children-2/
They were nudists. I understand they have different laws regarding public nudity in Canada than they do here. And besides there was nothing sexual going on there.
Do you know what nudism is? Do you know that there are nudist camps in the US where people, including family, including little children, can run around completely naked, and it's totally legal?
And the bottom line is, you are going to criticize them for who they are no matter what they say or do. So why not let the nudists and the twerkers march in their parades?
It could be both.
The reality is that some gays are normal people who just want to live their lives. I like to think that it is most. But that's not what the noisy activists are about these days. If normal gays want to be seen as normal people with no special agenda, then they would do well to do more to distance themselves from the current crop of activists.
You don't fuck with people's kids, and to say "we're coming for your kids", whatever the real intent, is going to make you lots of enemies. I make no comment on whether that is good or appropriate. But that's what happens.
Given that all anti-grooming laws are an "assault on the LGBT community" --- they certainly seem to be quite for the process of grooming kids.
Might be time to shove these freaks back in the closet.
Note that the NAMBLA types were a prominent part of the gay rights movement in the late 70s, up until the AIDS crisis blew up and they had to be shoved to the background during the 80s-90s so that normies wouldn't associate gay rights with grooming. The sexology movement in particular has long targeted children for their freakish experiments and studies.
It's not really an accident that leftists have been sending out feelers to try and normalize pedophilia for the last 20 years or so, and are now in full-blown groomer mode thanks to Current Year enablement of their views.
Have you ever known any gay people?
That's irrelevant to the actual history of the movement.
"All the gay people *I* know are good people, it's just all those other people who are dangerous deviant pervert predators!"
I hear that one all the time
Got a cite for that, Inceljeffy?
IncelTrollLogic has a nice ring to it. A Juggalo who can't get laid. Do you like that?
Please demonstrate where I have been misogynistic or shown hatred towards women anywhere in these comment sections. That's a main part of the definition of "incel". Jeffy, on the other hand, has been misogynistic and shown hatred towards women many time over, here in these comment sections.
Incel is short for involuntarily celibate. I looked it up when your girlfriends were gleefully projecting themselves onto me a while back.
While you were busy burning steaks?
Still trying to score points with your girlfriends I see.
Go down a 40.
Your pathetic attempt at deflection still doesn't change the actual history of the movement, chemfat.
Ummmm, yeah. They're doing that to piss you off. That's it.
Well, it's working. And now they are going to be treated as the predators they are proclaiming themselves to be.
The KKK claims to be Christian, so I guess it's fair to say all Christians want to lynch blacks, right?
If you're comparing the Drag March to the KKK, you might be on to something.
If you claim the people in the march represent all gays, then it's only fair to say the KKK represents all Christians.
Hey, if you're okay with cracking open the skulls of actual pedophiles, what's the complaint?
You're saying all gays are pedos because the people in the march represent all gays.
Do you then agree that all Christians are racial bigots because the KKK represents all Christians?
Same principle.
If the KKK was going around having parades and chanting āWeāre coming for your children.ā, I think most people would view that as a threat and I donāt think many Christians would be acting like it wasnāt a big deal and not trying to distance themselves from the assholes.
Coming after children has a way of doing that.
And if you want to be accepted by broader society, not trying to piss everyone off is a good place to start. Seems like they want conflict, not tolerance or acceptance.
That is not NBC defending. It is NBC quoting the subject of the story defending.
Round here that doesn't matter. Remember that reporting must come with opinion now. And an absence of the "correct" opinion equals support for the "other" opinion.
The "free speech" rulings will become more interesting as people consider the truth a threat.
The fog of war ā long read.
https://www.thefp.com/p/what-were-reading-about-russia
āSomething is happening in Russia.ā One of our colleagues at The Free Press dropped that note into Slack on Friday. We checked Twitter and suddenly understood the meaning of the phrase āthe fog of war.ā
Over the 48 hours that followed, we listened intently to āexpertsā who not 12 hours before appeared to have PhDs in deep-sea submersibles. It was a coup! It wasnāt a coup! Putin was hours from being ousted! No no, Putin orchestrated the whole thing! It went on like that for hours.
The more we read, the more questions we had. What is the Wagner Group, and why did Russia allow it to gain so much power? What was Prigozhinās grand strategy? How does something that appears like an attempted coup, with tremendous organization and momentum, rise and fall within 24 hours? What does this all mean for Putin? The future of Russia? Its war against Ukraine? And how should the events of this past weekend change U.S. strategy?
We figured that if we had these questions, you might too. So we wanted to share with you some of the pieces that helped us make sense of a bafflingāand still unfoldingāstory.
My thought is that Prigozhin was merely negotiating a new contract.
I think Prigozhin is a nut, but a useful nut who's ultimately harmless because Putin is extremely secure, so Putin let's him pop off every now and then.
Now 40k Wagner soldiers are in Belarus, just a short drive from Kiev.
I'll split that office at King's/Oxford that I don't have w/ you...
I'm gonna read that later but my current impression is that there is a lot less going on here than meets the eye. Prygozhin is a business man watching the oligarchs rake in millions. He's looking for his cut. And he'll get it.
Still reeling from Woke missteps.
https://nypost.com/2023/06/27/bud-light-still-reeling-from-woke-dylan-mulvaney-fiasco/
How badly is Bud Light still reeling from its disastrous move to partner with trans extremist Dylan Mulvaney?
The brandās literally having to give beer away in an effort to salvage 4th of July sales, with a $15 rebate on purchases of up to $15.
For those of you in Rio Linda, that means the beer is essentially free.
That follows months of falling sales that toppled the brew from its long-held No. 1 spot in the US and burned tens of billions in the market value for parent company Anheuser-Busch amid a ginormous (and funny!) backlash on social media and boycotts by big names.
All because a woke Ivy grad working in marketing decided to inject lefty politics into a smooth-drinking domestic lagerās image ā previously the purest distillation of nonpartisan, all-embracing good times.
Who wants to drink the gay trannie beer?
That is the question that people literally get asked when they have a Bud Lite in their hand.
If I liked Bud Lite, I would absolutely take them up on a free case.
But, not being a beer guy to start with, and finding Bud Lite to be watery swill, this is an easy boycott to support. Last time I ended up with a 12 of bud lite after a party, it sat around for months before I domped it on someone else.
Bud light and skim milk, is like having sex in a canoe.
It's fucking close to water
Personally, it's as much or more about the shitty attitude toward customers that Heinerscheid had. Products that demonstrate contempt toward their customers deserve to fail, and fail permanently. I suspect that this take, plus folks simply being tired of being told what and how to think has progressive world a bit surprised.
The Am-Bev CEO just totally blew it again today. He had a chance to try and extricate Am-Bev from the shit they are mired in....and whiffed. All he had to say was that this was a idiotic marketing effort that went off the rails and the staff responsible have been dismissed. There would have been a day or two of howling, and then it would be over, and Bud Lite would slowly get back to their #1 market position.
But no, the CEO just did not have the balls to say: I was wrong. His ego is too big. Am-Bev will continue to decline.
This CEO, in attempting to not look like a pussy, looks like an ass.
trans extremist Dylan Mulvaney
The tranny fad in America is bad enough but using the word "extremist" to describe Dylan is insulting to actual extremists.
You know, the people who believe in biology and hold conversative and libertarian ideals. The real extremists.
The tranny fad in America is bad enough but using the word āextremistā to describe Dylan is insulting to actual extremists.
IDK. You don't have to be The most extreme to be "extremist" and between apparent political/celebrity magnitude, devotion to the cause, and insanity... he's pretty well outside the norm of well outside the norm.
He's a terrible actor that has scammed his way into some serious cash.
He poses no threat to anything, except maybe himself.
Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. He is an extremist. He's not (necessarily) a fundamentalist or an idealist. The former doesn't require any particular motivation one way or the other.
I agree. Dylan Mulvaney is not a deeply ideological person. He's a fame-chaser who's the platonic example of a guy putting on "woman-face" and then riding it for millions in endorsement deals. If you were a committed trans ideologue, I would think that Mulvaney would be profoundly insulting.
However, to say that he's not 'useful' would be foolish. He is also the platonic ideal of why the trans ideology is fundamentally sexist by its very nature, and its own system of argumentation.
Dylan Mulvaney is a woman, because he talks like a woman, walks like a woman, acts like a woman, does ineffectual leg kicks and other physical activities, isn't good at being "outdoors", wears makeup and a dress.
'Acts like a woman, does ineffectual leg kicks and other physical activities, isnāt good at being āoutdoors.' W/ a bit of tweaking, changing 'acts like a woman' to 'doesn't act like an adult male,' and dropping the bit about leg kicks, this describes the vast majority of suburban & urban-dwelling 'laptop class' males. And too many remote-working transplants to rural areas.
dropping the bit about leg kicks, this describes the vast majority of suburban & urban-dwelling ālaptop classā males
Yeah. On Father's Day my BIL and his partner said they were taking a mini-vacation. They're "glamping". And by "glamping" they mean going to a state park that's within a 2 hour drive and staying in a hotel overnight. His sister (Mrs. Casual) was giving them a hard time for even calling it "glamping". Both as the destination, while nice, isn't glamorous and that staying in a hotel overnight isn't in any way camping.
Yeah pretty much all of that. I think the damage to Bud Lite will be permanent on some level mostly because once people get out of the habit of buying it they'll realize it's a crappy pilsner indistinguishable from dozens of others. But this kerfuffle will be forgotten pretty quickly. Meanwhile Dylan will never have to worry about paying the mortgage.
"The State must show that the defendant consciously disregarded a substantial risk that his communications would be viewed as threatening violence. The State need not prove any more demanding form of subjective intent to threaten another."
Bullshit.
Just like we have heard in countless corporate training sessions about "harassment", can we possibly maintain a free society when the standard for threatening speech is based on the interpretations and feelings of the listener? By this standard, every word ever uttered can be judged as threatening, and could be sanctioned. In fact, I have heard that in some contexts a person does not even have to speak but just be present (or just exist) to pose an existential threat to a "vulnerable" person.
Welcome to totalitarian nanny clown world.
Do you think in this specific case Counterman should not have been convicted of a crime?
Ignore and redirect.
https://nypost.com/2023/06/28/media-ignore-biden-corruption-but-cry-for-hunter-drug-woes/
After a high-level IRS agent blew the whistle on the Justice Departmentās attempts to protect Hunter Biden, and by extension, his presidential daddy, the media ā taking a tip from President Joe Biden himself ā quickly got to work trying to convince the public the real story isnāt the blatant corruption but that Hunter is a tragic drug addict and his father still loves him anyway.
Sorry, but the fact that Hunter is an admitted cokehead and prostitute hound is just a salacious side story; the obviously more urgent matter is that he, using his fatherās high-government connections, raked in money by doing favors for foreign actors.
And that instead of any serious prosecution to see if he broke the law, DOJ gave him a junk plea deal wherein Hunter gets probation and must pinky promise to stay sober and never buy another gun.
Itās one of the biggest scandals of recent years, yet ignore it all: Nicholas Kristof of The New York Times writes that the āmain takeawayā is that the president offers the country āa fine model of the love and support that people with addictions need.ā
The media want this to be a sob story about drug addiction. If only it were.
"The media want this to be a sob story about drug addiction. If only it were."
And one particular user on this site wants it to be about dicks.
The real story behind Watergate wasnāt the coverup, itās Nixonās loyalty to his staff
I think DARVO is more apropos than ignore and redirect, as the people in question behave like classic serial abusers.
Pretty much every story I see about this degenerate gives a nod to his "struggle" with drug addiction. It doesn't look to me like he's struggling. Looks like he's living it up.
'Essentially, the Maine measure would institute what's known as "asymmetrical criminalization" or the "Nordic Model" of prostitution laws, a scheme criminalizing people who pay for sex but not totally criminalizing those who sell it. This model has become popular in parts of Europe and among certain strains of U.S. feminists.'
Well, this is certainly not going to help the anti-equity and anti-fairness imbalance of male vs. female ratio of people in prison.
'Feminism means equality for everybody, that much everybody who isn't an X should agree on.' The Nordic model is one of the easiest arguments that this canard is bullshit; feminism in its current form does not mean equality under the law.
where Epstein hung himself
Hanged, not hung.
Obnoxiouly arrogant piece of shit is grammar nazi also!
Thatās āgrammandoā.
Hanged, not hung.
GOP prefers the latter - as in HUNTER BIDEN HUNG, BOYS!
Remember that turd lies. turd lies when he knows heās lying. turd lies when we know heās lying. turd lies when he knows that we know heās lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Him Terrance yeeke and Seth rich all tragic suicides
Either way, you mean he did? š
'The government's crackdown on flavored vaping products hasn't stopped their proliferation; it simply led to relatively regulated and safe products being replaced by "unauthorized disposable vapes from China," notes the Associated Press.'
Unintended consequence, or tin foil hat conspiracy level plan by our CCP adjacent overlords?
Backfire, and a warning.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/norways-wealth-tax-backfiring-are-americans-paying-attention
āMore than 30 Norwegian billionaires and multimillionaires left Norway in 2022, according to research by the newspaper Dagens Naeringsliv,ā reports wealth correspondent Rupert Neate. āThis was more than the total number of super-rich people who left the country during the previous 13 years, [the paper] added.ā
Did you catch that? More āsuper richā Norwegians left Norway in 2022 than during the previous 13 years combined. The reason wealthy Norwegians are fleeing the country is not a secret.
Following its 2021 electoral victory, the Nordic nationās Labor Party made good on its promise to soak the rich. Norway is one of just a handful of OECD countries that still taxes net wealth, and the Labor Party increased the countryās wealth tax to 1.1 percent despite warnings that such a move would ātrigger capital flight and threaten job creation.ā
Capital flight is exactly what happened, and it has left the Norwegian government with less revenue.
every damn time.
pretty soon they will be soaking the middle class because, as always, that's where the money is. First, you claim you will soak the rich, which is literally impossible. Next you redefine "rich" to mean "owns a home"
They already do, don't they? Middle class income tax rates in many European countries are well above 50%. At least, unlike American socialists, they seem to understand that you can't pay for your generous welfare state just by "soaking the rich".
Seems especially nuts from a country that has enormous reserves of money from all their oil. Why soak the rich when you have all the money you could need already? Seems like it must be entirely ideological or envy based.
We must save democracy by sending tens of billions to Ukraine. Also zalensky is fine suspending elections.
https://redstate.com/brutalbrittany/2023/06/28/zelensky-says-ukraine-wont-hold-elections-signaling-another-extension-of-martial-law-n768367
Iran document of Trump proving he had classified information is oddly missing from the charges.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-memo-not-among-the-31-records-underlying-charges-in-trump-federal-indictment/
And how does AUDIO actually show what POTUS Trump was referring to?
Sullum knows they were Iranian nuclear documents.
The list of things sullum knows is fairly short. That item is not on it, but is on the extremely long list of biased assumptions. Not to be confused w/ the similar list long list of ridiculous false assertions.
Fourier analysis of the audio recording allows for reading the text off the waved page.
EV demand sags.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/vw-curbs-ev-production-eu-demand-falters-amid-gloomier-economic-picture
German newspaper Nordwest-Zeitung reports Volkswagen has temporarily reduced the production of electric vehicles at one of its plants.
Volkswagen's Emden plant in Lower Saxony has reduced production of the electric ID.4 compact SUV and ID.7 sedan for the next two weeks because of weakening sales.
Industry blog Autocar reported Manfred Wulff, head of the works council for the Emden plant, told German Press Agency in an earlier article published by the North West newspaper that while EV production was being reduced, production of combustion-engine models, including the Volkswagen Passat, are unaffected.
New York Times confirms IRS whistlebkower claims. In the 21st paragraph. But who wants dick pics in the first paragraph?
https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-york-times-buries-the-lede-confirms-hunter-biden-probe-whistleblower-claims
Another watssapp message containing dick pics is released regarding foreign bribes.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2023/06/27/house-oversight-just-went-nuclear-on-the-bidens-n1706685
Why did Joe have a phone paid for by Hunters company with a global plan?
https://www.dailywire.com/news/secret-global-phone-biden-used-as-vice-president-could-reveal-tight-communications-with-foreign-nationals-report
WHY ARE YOU OBSESSED WITH HUNTER BIDEN'S PENIS??!!11!111?1111/1//11111
To be fair Reason didn't bury the lede. They're just ignoring the story all together.
āFuck off permanently,ā said one message. Another read: āYouāre not being good for human relations. Die.ā
If C.W. thinks thatās bad, I hope she stays as far away from reasonās comments section as possible.
Damn, those are downright mild compared to some of what I've seen here. Especially with the woodchipper incident.
Especially with the woodchipper incident.
Not to mention the old days when John and MNG (MiNGe, as he was often called) would verbally hate fuck in the comments.
Fucking Minge.
BRAVE BOOKS
@BraveBooksUS
???? 1/ BREAKING: We have obtained exclusive evidence that the taxpayer-funded American Library Association
@ALALibrary
is circulating guidance to sabotage conservative or Christian parent groups from gathering in public libraries on August 5th. One ALA director gave suggestions on how libraries could block public meeting room use under the pretext of the space already being taken for other activities.
House Democrat Worked for Epstein's Tax and Political Fixer
Court filings reveal that the Del. Stacey Plaskett, D-V.I., misled the public about her deep ties to the powerful pedophile.
https://www.leefang.com/p/house-democrat-worked-for-epsteins?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1239256&post_id=131448615&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
The DeSantis campaign
https://twitter.com/reeseonable/status/1673976017730387969?t=6jr9e4OMi2RHEOtvlxa0jQ&s=19
Trump voters are in a cult. They do not care about winning. They know trump will lose the general election.
They donāt care about our children & how theyāre going to suffer when Biden wins a second term. Itās obvious theyāve already put Trump before even their own children. They donāt care about effective leadership that actually gets things passed & done.
They make pathetic excuses for the hypocrisy.
They have these out of shape Batman villain looking incels for grifter influencers calling women names & constant crying victim when they receive pushback. None of these losers are married w/ children. Trump himself has shamed up w/ Kari Lake, who has put trump over her own family. Trump canāt even be loyal to his family. You think heās going to be loyal to them? Lol
Idk how you look at this group of completely inept losers, knowing this is the losing side & choosing them over our children if youāre in an objective reasoner.
I have yet to hear one coherent & reasonable argument for trump. They have the most pathetic arguments against DeSantisālike absolute hypocrites. It doesnāt matter that heās been the most effective fighter against woke culture & COVID lockdowns & mandates & the indoctrination of children. They donāt want an effective doer. They want drama & to whine.
They donāt care. They donāt care about winning or saving our culture & children. They have put trump first, while he doesnāt give AF about any of them, & he proves that daily.
Theyāre a cancer to our nation just like the left is.
TDS-addled shits should fuck off and die, TDS-addled shit.
LOL
"LOL" and no twitter link? Gee, did you finally celebrate your 16th birthday?
Fuck off and die.
Poor, syphilitic sqrlvo
So not quite 16?
Fuck off and die, asshole
Wonder why DeSantis is down 50% from before his social media campaign got started...
https://twitter.com/SwissWatchGuy/status/1673812428860141569?t=ISpbkDBlC6Pi6357eB5_ag&s=19
Since losing in 2020 Trump has:
- lost a sexual assault case
- got indicted for keeping classified military documents
- launched an NFT line
- did whatever the hell J6 was
- then abandoned the J6ers
None of this stuff makes him MORE likely to win. Can we stop pretending?
So persuasive
https://twitter.com/SwissWatchGuy/status/1674085092069634051?t=t83uB_29BRj9W2zsQvF-tw&s=19
Trump/MAGA has attracted the worst people to their cause.
They donāt even really bother with policy or results. They are entirely dedicated to and driven by a desire for degradation and personal destruction. Thatās what excites them.
There are no ātwo sidesā to this.
Heās not wrong
Some fine pearl clutching here
https://twitter.com/davereaboi/status/1674080775728185345?t=d45nqQFhAynMhwwBoRoE0A&s=19
This is disgusting.
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Iām going to go out on a limb and say that I donāt think this Rosario person has a very high opinion of Trump.
https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1674034978198355970?t=YMOqIbUvuHKbQQJECIGQkw&s=19
Bill Barr on Hunter Biden investigation: āAnd to this point I have seen no reason to appoint a special counsel, and I see no reason to do so before I leave. I thought a special counsel was the right tool, I would name one, but I haven't."
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Let us never forget that Bill Barr's dad hired Jeffrey Epstein to teach at a private school for girls at the same time that he wrote a sci-fi novel about galactic elites trafficking young girls for sex.
Wait what?
https://twitter.com/profstonge/status/1674027421903863811?t=0UyvM0pQsap3oerk0Azvgw&s=19
Apparently the Covid lesson the British government learned was lock down harder. ????
"Britain must prepare for wider, earlier and more stringent lockdowns in the face of future pandemics, Matt Hancock has claimed."
If those responsible aren't punished, it will be worse next time.
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1984 is only a couple of crises away.
While 1984 is there, I suspect the end result looks more like Brave New World.
Fuck it, just give me the soma now.
https://twitter.com/simonateba/status/1674059997414563843?t=Z7oClQRgGNuKLuugKmjyww&s=19
BREAKING: President @JoeBiden says Russian President Vladimir Putin "is clearly losing the war in Iraq" WATCH
[Video]
To be fair, Putin has absolutely no held territory in Iraq...
Oh, look. The SCOTUS just blew up jeffy's argument that reading books to children about sex & gender that cause psychological distress or constitute grooming is not a violation of the NAP.
Jeff takes a liberal idea and tries to formulate a libertarian framework around it. Which is why he rarely uses NAP correctly. He says the Capitol officers could kill a trespasser one moment or then claim providing GAC surgeries and an estimated lifetime cost of 1.5M in Healthcare are not violations. But he will squeeze NAP into arguments he requires it to defend against criticisms like laws against grooming kids.
He is wildly inconsistent because he doesn't believe in the NAP as a principle.
No foul play, but Epstein was "provided with the opportunity" for suicide.
Oh. He was provided all right. I think the correct way is to say he was snuffed.
"Tomorrow we are going to move you into a cell with Biggy Pfisterman. Now I am going to get a cup of coffee..."
And turn off the surveillance system before you go on break!
It's really getting to be worse than badly-written detective-noir, gangster-style not-even-really-euphemisms. The sort of thing that would be parodied a dozen different ways elsewhere.
In the specific context, "provided with opportunity" *is* foul play. Presumably they mean no evidence of conspiracy or larger collective or motivated action, but he wasn't being watch when he was supposed to be watched, that's a foul. To say 'no foul play' is inaccurate and/or dishonest in a pretty deliberate fashion.
O'Brien to Winston Smith: "Everyone is cured sooner or later. In the end we shall shoot you."
Smith thought: Stupidity was as necessary as intelligence, and as difficult to attain.
"Former Vice President Mike Pence has some words (in Reason) for conservatives who are abandoning free market principles."
Uh;
'A staff member of former VP Mike Pence wrote some campaign boiler-plate regarding De Santis and Reason published it.'
Fixed
Look, the important thing is that he criticizes Trump and DeSantis. Sure, Reason was relentless in their attacks on Pence while he was governor of Indiana and didnāt support gay pizza weddings. And sure, he was Hitler Jr. while serving as Trumpās VP. But heās obviously a good guy now.
Of course. TDS and DSDS makes people do the damnedest things. TDS by itself has broken more than a few even in this comment section.
Riiiight... just a "remarkable, unexplained, succession of circumstances." Sure, uh-huh.
anyone who believes this is not gonna make it
Otherwise known as "A Series of Unfortunate Events".
EXPOSED: Secret Government Effort To Regulate Your Mind
Congress must defund and dismantle the corrupt Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) and fire its director, Jen Easterly
https://public.substack.com/p/exposed-secret-government-effort
That question appears to have been answered with a resounding yes by the House Judiciary Committee. Yesterday it released its report, "The Weaponization of CISA: How a 'Cybersecurity' Agency Colluded with Big Tech and 'Disinformation' Partners to Censor Americans,ā on government censorship.
āItās only a matter of time,ā wrote a former assistant general counsel for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in an email to a colleague, ābefore someone realizes we exist and starts asking about our work.ā
These articles kill me.
"We need the government to stop the government."
The definition of futility.
This has whut to do with the ENB article?
LT does not understand why the morning links would have people talking about government censorship by proxy. That's a serious libertarian there, folks.
https://www.michaelpsenger.com/p/uk-covid-inquiry-reveals-just-how
Earlier today, former UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock, who advocated and led the use of terror messaging to drive support for and compliance with lockdown measures throughout 2020, choked back tears as he told the Governmentās official COVID Inquiry that he is āprofoundly sorryā for each and every COVID death and hopes lockdowns will be āmuch earlierā and āmore stringentā during the next pandemic.
UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock, who advocated and led the use of terror messaging to drive support for and compliance with lockdown measures throughout 2020, choked back tears as he told the Governmentās official COVID Inquiry that he is āprofoundly sorryā for each and every COVID death and hopes lockdowns will be āmuch earlierā and āmore stringentā during the next pandemic.
And the Oscar goes too...
I kinda like the idea of naming your bullets "Oscar" for the euphemism.
Every once in a while a group of people does something that deserves special recognition and everyday men and women might feel compelled to set aside their normal activities and celebrate them by handing out some Oscars. I think we can all agree that, while Matt Hancock is no Anthony Fauci, he's certainly earned himself at least one Oscar.
leaders and staff members at the jail, the federal Metropolitan Correctional Center, created an environment in which Mr. Epstein, a financier awaiting trial on sex trafficking and conspiracy charges, had every opportunity to kill himself.
But all of those people were definitely not part of any conspiracy.
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1672308679729635331
Newsmax's @JamesRosenTV reads the entire text Hunter Biden sent to a Chinese businessman which stated Joe Biden was "in the room" in an effort to get him to pay them.
Kirby refuses to answer and then walks away from the podium
https://twitter.com/rncresearch/status/1674059108486615040
Biden: "[Putin] is clearly losing the war in Iraq"
jfc
Yeah. That was incredibly bad. To the point that I could be readily convinced that it should say ā[Bush]ā and not ā[Putin]ā.
Putin is becoming a pariah from NATO? From the EU?
"It is on Fox" makes the thing as reliable as would "it is on CNN." The looter media is what it is.
>>"True threats of violence are outside the bounds of First Amendment protection and punishable as crimes,"
words are violence? nonsense.
>>Epstein was "provided with the opportunity" for suicide.
"assisted suicide" still suicide.
Letting Hillary visit him during that window of opportunity was probably a mistake.
>>removes criminal penalties for people selling sex in some circumstances, while continuing to criminalize anyone who attempts to pay for sex
equal protection?
https://twitter.com/wallstreetsilv/status/1674066321103880194
1) Bill Gates company released billions of mosquitoes in Florida & Texas.
2) Malaria now in Florida & Texas for the first time in 20 years.
3) Bill Gates has a malaria vaccine almost ready.
>>Bill Gates company released billions of mosquitoes in Florida & Texas.
how is that allowed to happen?
Bill Gates + Democratic Party = FYTW.
neither usually operates in Florida & Texas ... bio-war?
Yes, and federally permitted.
a conspiracy theorist is just someone who connects data points together and comes to the most obvious conclusion.
It was foretold.
You will get the top-down (non-)solution forced on you, at cost, and Ron Bailey will cheer for (the death of) your liberty.
what could possibly go wrong?
also, lol Bailey is a purchaser of bridges too
We needed more testing.
Wow. I didn't know this story.
https://futurism.com/bill-gates-funded-genehacked-mosquitoes
That is insane.
https://twitter.com/realdailywire/status/1674076464675794948
Michigan Hate Speech Bill Would Make It A Felony To Cause Someone To āFeelā Threatened
Hmm...I feel threatened by people who say they are coming for my children.
I'm guessing prosecution will only go in one direction.
If you do, you are letting them manipulate you, since the chant was intended to get a rise out of conservatives.
bridge for sale.
Wait, wait. Are you saying you believe they were publicly announcing their pedophilic plans with no sarcasm at all?
Mikey excuses a statement that insinuates kidnapping, spoken by deviants marching in S&M gear.
Fuck you groomer.
I didnāt excuse them at all. I thought their chant was rude, offensive and ultimately self defeating.
What I didnāt think, though, is that it was literal. It was clearly sarcastic mockery intended to get a reaction from people like you and Dillinger ā and it worked. That it worked is on you; you have control over that.
I don't give a fuck what you think.
My risk analysis tool does not factor in "we were just kidding!" by deviants chanting about children.
I'll always default to an offensive/defensive posture when kids are the subject of a threat, real or imagined.
Cool! Enjoy your outrage.
Mike. What does the word clearly mean to you? It seems to mean what most aligns to leftist narratives.
>>Dillinger
lol I'm mocking you for pushing their bullshit party line. "oooh it was intended to get a rise out of conservatives chuckle snort"
I donāt really care.
you do though it's pretty clear
How do you figure that?
You can't honestly be this stupid.
Democrats get small majorities in state legislature, go full insane authoritarian.
Nobody cares.
I feel threatened by this law. Arrest the legislators!
"Lots of supporters of Entrapment model legislation are feminists who support bodily autonomy as it relates to abortion but do not think people should have that same right to bodily autonomy should they choose to engage in sex work," commented Rebecca Cleary, a staff attorney at DSW. Such laws
If you're behind on your rent-payment, honey buns, I'm sure we can come to an understanding. After all, sex work is work.
Every single "bodily autonomy" feminist is a hypocrite. Every single one of them
Thank you for sharing your fave Pornhub genres.
projection every time with this guy
(Cues porno guitar)
*Wah!-Oh!-Wah!-Oh!*
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Can we still say "sex work", or do we have to call it "gender work"?
No foul play, but Epstein was "provided with the opportunity" for suicide.
Can you imagine the level of normie NPC you have to be to believe this nonsense?
Breaking911
@Breaking911
BIDEN: "It was inappropriate for Barack to spend time with [Xi Jinping] but I spent a lot of time with him. I met alone with him, just he and I... 68 times, 68 hours, 68 times ā more than 68 hours ā by the way, I turned in all my notes.ā
Good ENB recap. So the Bush-Trumpanzee Court that knocked over the Roe adaptation of the 1972 LP platform plank to repeal girl-bullying (wait for it...) STILL encourages other forms of girl-bullying too? Color me surprised. And tightly closed eyelids see no evidence that the Epstein suspect-awaiting-trial was murdered in jail. Whut? Another surprise? Wow!