COVID-19's 'Patients Zero' May Have Been Wuhan Lab Scientists, Report Finds
Plus: Grand jury indicts Jack Teixeira, Congress pursues A.I. regulation, and more...

The first three people to contract COVID-19 were scientists working at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), claims a new report—a finding that could confirm the lab leak theory of COVID-19's origins, if verified.
The report—authored by independent journalists Matt Taibbi, Michael Shellenberger, and Alex Gutentag, and published on Substack—names Ben Hu, Yu Ping, and Yan Zhu as "three of the earliest people to become infected with SARS-CoV-2" in fall 2019. Not only did these three scientists work at the WIV, but they worked specifically on gain-of-function research; Hu in particular was considered a "star pupil" of Shi Zhengli, dubbed the "bat woman" for her work studying coronaviruses in bats.
"Ben Hu is essentially the next Shi Zhengli," molecular biologist Alina Chan told the Substack authors. "He had been making chimeric SARS-like viruses and testing these in humanized mice. If I had to guess who would be doing this risky virus research and most at risk of getting accidentally infected, it would be him."
The report's authors spoke with multiple sources inside the U.S. government who provided the information. These sources, whose names were withheld to protect their anonymity, said there is little doubt that the laboratory is where the pandemic started.
The findings have not yet been confirmed by other journalists, though several government agencies—including the FBI and the Energy Department—have stated that the lab leak is the most likely theory of COVID-19's origins. In February, FBI Director Christopher Wray told Fox News that COVID-19 most likely resulted from "a potential lab incident in Wuhan, China."
In March, President Joe Biden signed bipartisan legislation requiring the federal government to declassify all intelligence relating to the pandemic's origins. The deadline for declassification is June 18, which means whatever information caused the FBI to reach its determination should become publicly available in a few days.
"The clock is ticking," said Rep. Mike Gallagher (R–Wis.) in a statement.
If the names of the 3 sick WIV scientists had been made public in May 2020, I doubt that many in the scientific community and the media would have spent the last three years raving about a raccoon dog or pangolin in a wet market. https://t.co/YxsW8NYeRD
— Alina Chan (@Ayjchan) June 13, 2023
FREE MINDS
A grand jury indicted Jack Teixeira, the 21-year-old Air National Guardsman who released classified documents onto a Discord server with the aim of impressing his friends. According to The New York Times:
The filing of criminal charges in Boston federal court against Airman Teixeira, 21, comes about two months after F.B.I. agents arrested him at his home in North Dighton, Mass., and paves the way for a trial stemming from one of the most damaging national security leaks in recent history. If convicted, he could face up to 60 years in prison.
The evidence presented in the 10-page indictment represents a distillation of the immense trove of secrets Airman Teixeira is accused of taking from computers at an intelligence unit at the Cape Cod air base — and sharing with online friends he was hoping to impress in chat groups on Discord, a social media platform popular with gamers. But it was not immediately clear how many of the vaguely described incidents that underlie the charges had been previously disclosed and which ones were being made public for the first time.
Airman Teixeira's disclosures — exposing secrets of the United States, its allies and its adversaries — have bared rifts between the United States and its allies and given Russia information about intelligence-gathering methods, as news organizations have divulged some of the material. And Justice Department lawyers have said the extent of the information he leaked "far exceeds what has been publicly disclosed."
The Times adds that Teixeira's superiors within the Air National Guard also made serious errors in how they handled him.
"Air Force officials caught Airman Teixeira taking notes and conducting deep-dive searches for classified material months before he was charged with leaking a vast trove of government secrets, but did not remove him from his job, according to previous filings in the case," notes the Times.
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Sens. Josh Hawley (R–Mo.) and Richard Blumenthal (D–Conn.) have introduced a bill that would deny Section 230 protection to works created by artificial intelligence (A.I.).
Under Section 230, internet platforms do not take on liability for content created by third-party users on those platforms. This arrangement has infuriated many Democrats—who think it provides license to social media powers to allow harmful and false content to flourish—and also many shortsighted Republicans, who want to punish the platforms for taking down right-wing content, even though the platforms' incentives to take down content would actually increase without Section 230.
According to Axios:
Legal experts and lawmakers have questioned whether AI-created works would qualify for legal immunity under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, the law that largely shields platforms from lawsuits over third-party content.
- It's a newly urgent issue thanks to the explosive of generative AI.
- The new bipartisan bill bolsters the argument that Section 230 doesn't cover AI-generated work. It also gives lawmakers an opening to go after Section 230 after vowing to amend it, without much success, for years….
Section 230 is often credited as the law that allowed the internet to flourish and for social media to take off, as well as websites hosting travel listings and restaurant reviews….
Hawley and Blumenthal's "No Section 230 Immunity for AI Act" would amend Section 230 "by adding a clause that strips immunity from AI companies in civil claims or criminal prosecutions involving the use or provision of generative AI," per a description of the bill from Hawley's office.
- The bill would also allow people to sue companies in federal or state court for alleged harm by generative AI models.
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So who’s going to pay for the global cost of the pandemic to humanity?
The Chinese whose ineptitude released it?
Or the US, Obama, who shipped the gain of function research to China and kept up the funding and oversight?
It was done for the profit motive after all.
As much as I might dislike Obama's politics, I do not believe that he's directly responsible for the funding of Gain-of-function research that the criminal bureaucrats under his wing actually controlled.
It was simply under his watch. He did take the credit for “ending” gain of function experimentation when he shipped it to China.
Planned, approved, coordinated and funded by the US government.
Emper9r Xi, the Chinese Comminist Party, the People's Liberation Army, and Dr. Anthony Fauci all need to be on trial for Crimes Against Humanity...Australia like your fellow Nazis for the Holocaust you deny.
Fuck Off, Emperor Xi & Minions,
Fuck Off, Dr. Fauci,
and Fuck Off, Nazi!
Trash pandas are getting smarter every year.
The English name should really be Raccoon faced fox. They are pretty much just little foxes with the face markings of a trash panda. But yes, they should stop allowing wild animals to do science.
Are the doing science or The Science?
Only humans think highly enough of themselves and have the conflicts of interest to do "The Science".
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but they worked specifically on gain-of-function research
Fake news. Fauci said that the things they were doing there don't count as "gain-of-function," and if you disagree with him, you must be anti-science. There is no science except what he says is science.
“I am the science”
/I should be in jail Fauci.
Jail? Public execution is more apt.
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I'd have been sorely tempted to go kill him with my bare hands, had I been there when he uttered that crap.
Also, it came from raccoon dogs.
And don’t even allege that a novel corona virus leaked from the Institute of Corona Virus Research. That’s racist.
The nonracist reason us that a bunch of peasant Chinamen couldn’t stop eating raw bats from a wet market. Nothing racist they’re.
I'm just glad it's safe to eat raw Chinese bats again.
Raccoon dogs??? You're letting Mickey Mouse & Randy Marsh off pretty lightly.
But did he say it in Chinese, hmmmmm? Anybody can just proclaim themselves to be The Science but if they don't do it to everyone, everywhere, all at once in every native tongue and even in a language that children can understand, then how can The Science possibly redeem all those poor, lost souls? We can't really know The Truth about The Science unless it's handed down by unequivocal and universal edict from our Public Health Daddy. - Not an atheist anymore than you could call someone an a-Easter Bunnyist.
What would be the point? This coronavirus didn't even exist and if it did it's just the sniffles.
Are you turning into sarcasmic?
Because that ain’t a good look.
Your ilk was arguing like this back in 2020.
If covid is created in lab, then it is a biological warfare attack by China and close to a casus belli.
If covid has some other source, then it is a nothingburger and probably not even the flu.
Same covid.
So what if I thought the gun was loaded when I pointed it at you and pulled the trigger? It wasn't loaded, so no harm, no foul.
Right?
What if it was loaded and you accidentally ridded us all of one of this board's most annoying sophists?
What if the gun isn't loaded, but you've got a bear in the trunk of your car?
Legal experts and lawmakers have questioned whether AI-created works would qualify for legal immunity under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, the law that largely shields platforms from lawsuits over third-party content.
It's a newly urgent issue thanks to the explosive of generative AI.
Crap, AI is writing their sentences already!
Every single day this week there has been a failure of basic editing. Some of it- like this- is just unprofessional. But the stuff on Ron Bailey's article actually confused the maths, and that 2Chili headline about Cable News "Cope" was downright embarrassing.
This is essentially why I am not a Torchbearer any more. For years, I have disagreed with many of the takes of Reason Staff, but continued to support the foundation. But KMW has failed so utterly to do basic editing that I couldn't continue to fund them. She has a clear, basic job and she fails it- embarrassingly- every day. Something needs to change at this Rag before I support them again.
Speling and grammar is raciss!
Totes racist!
Ditto. The topics are pedestrian, copy reading and editing are absent, the concept of "liberty" seems to be a distant thought, even farther back than "utility", both pushed back by TDS.
I have found that when you stick to your liberty principles, such as self-ownership, you are almost always in tune with your pragmatic principles, such as Don't Hurt People And Don't Take Their Stuff. Or start with the pragmatic; it almost always leads to principles of liberty too. But when you concentrate on Mean Tweets and start believing Opposition Politicians, no matter how much they violate your pragmatic and liberty principles, you become a partisan hack.
* Fire KMW
* Get out of DC
* Remember liberty
Mostly a bunch of fucking hipsters at this point. If they want to be the libertarian flagship publication, they really need to better reflect the diversity of thought among libertarians.
Diversity in libertarian thought is fine as long as we don't have to air the views of anyone in the Mises Caucus.
Except to misrepresent and mock them.
It would be good if The Mises Caucus didn't misrepresent Von Mises.
Again- I am not even taking issue with their stances. I can argue for or against the viewpoints these people take. But in order to have that dialogue, the article needs to be coherent. The headlines need to be a decent summary. And even a biased argument, edited properly, will attempt to confront likely counter-arguments. These are all the duties of a good editor.
And Reason does not have a good editor.
Agree it has declined quite a bit under KMW.
“She has a clear, basic job and she fails it”
This assumes her job is editing and not helping to push along whatever Charles Koch’s agenda is.
This assumes her job is editing and not helping to push along whatever Charles Koch’s agenda is.
Even at that, you are mutually exclusive assuming these are.
Did anybody figure out what "cope" was supposed to be?
It's rumoured that Robby Soave has been dead for three weeks but a rougue AI continues to write the daily links. There is literally no way to verify this claim.
Just ask Snopes. After all, they quickly updated all of their COVID origin fact checking to admit that the lab origin theory is at least as likely as the natural origin theory. Oh wait, no the didn't....
Huh, imagine that. The most obvious and plausible potential source of the virus is the actual source.
“It’s not verified! It has to be verified! Nobody knows for sure!”
/white Mike
We didn't know at the time!!!!
Facts changed!
It's just a conspiracy theory. There was absolutely nobody in the US who was funding this and then desperately tried to control the narrative.
Of course today's conspiracy is tomorrow's sanctioned official news.
Q: What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth?
A: Six months.
I think they've got that down to 4 weeks, these days, Progress!
With AI maybe it can be done in hours.
There was absolutely nobody in the US who was funding this
That may be the case. Recent reporting points toward the Chinese military running the secret research that created the SARS-CoV-2:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0
The best detail of the story is that the Chinese military's head liason with the Wuhan lab is rumored to have fallen off the roof of the lab.
You are so gullible
Accidentally brutally cut his head off while shaving.
Oh look, it's Mike Laursen parachuting into the thread with his brand of smug, know-it-all, sniping.
Mike is a perfect example of the assholes who spent the past three years trying to shame people for not hewing towards The Science! (tm) as proclaimed by Team Blue.
For years, he insisted that masking works to slow or stop the spread. He insisted that Vaccination would stop the spread, or reduce transmission, or prevent the emergence of variants. Typically he would just spout these "facts" as uncontroversial, while trying to shit on Team Red. And yet, time and again, he was wrong.
One might wonder how Mike can live with himself. He hasn't once apologized for being so shamefully wrong for 3 god damn years. Nope, he is just back again dropping little factoids, without an ounce of contrition or humility.
It's either TDS or CDS, and sometimes both.
Stupid little bitch needs a rifle butt to the face.
Wrong end of the implement.
It’s just a conspiracy theory.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm a "This shit doesn't add up and it's obvious theorist." *and* a "This other shit adds up so simply and plausibly an 8 yr. old could understand it." theorist.
Occam's Razor.
today's "well of course, duh" is chemjeff's "Uncle Fester's conspiracy theory he heard on Dr. Joe Rogan".
My my, another "conspiracy" proven completely true
Looks like you got lucky. Your partisan-based beliefs are turning out to have emerging evidence supporting them. Congratulations!
Caw!
Got lucky for the N-th time in a row, again.
Curses!
What are some of other examples of the n lucky times? Because I would estimate the n for conservative conspiracy theories working out is about n = 2.
Oh, which is the other one you're implying to give them credit for? The gas stove ban? The Hunter Biden Laptop? Burisma? Vaccine passports? Twitter censorship collusion?
Wait? What?
The gas stove ban is a conspiracy theory?
Burisma is a conspiracy theory?
Vaccine passports are a conspiracy theory?
Twitter censorship collusion is a conspiracy theory?
All of those matters have been publicly known and well-documented from their inception.
We have always been at war with eastasia.
Media and Democrats: Gas stove ban is just a right-wing culture war dog whistle conspiracy theory:
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1654439385754992640
You can find a Democratic pundit saying all kinds of stupid shit. It doesn't change that the gas stove ban idea has always been publicly known and well-documented.
How about the actual administration?
https://reason.com/2023/06/08/democrats-gaslighting-republicans-temper-tantrum-endanger-americas-gas-stoves/
"The White House insists it doesn't want to ban gas stoves but still needs the power to do so."
Or the Senate Majority Leader:
https://reason.com/2023/05/03/gas-stove-bans-promoted-from-baseless-conspiracy-theory-to-new-york-state-policy/
"In response to the backlash, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D–N.Y.) assured everyone that government gas-grabbing was a MAGA conspiracy theory. Mainstream media fact-checkers said much the same thing. In the senator's state, at least, the conspiracists did have something to worry about."
These just some randos on cable news?
You still don't get it.
Just pointing to some Democrat gaslighting about some issue doesnt' make believing differently from that gaslighting a "conspiracy theory".
To be a conspiracy theory, you have to believe in something without full evidence and there has to be a claim that some of the evidence you need is being kept secret. There's none of that with gas stove banning. It's all out in the open and always has been.
Same thing with Burisma, vaccine passports, and "Twitter censorship". It's all been out in the open all along.
"You still don’t get it."
Oh we get it, Mike. You are trying to argue minutia and semantics because Team Blue (and yourself) aren't looking very good here.
"To be a conspiracy theory, you have to believe in something without full evidence"
No one is arguing about "believing a conspiracy theory". We are pointing out that people, like yourself, have a terrible track record of dismissing these things as conspiracy theories. For example, even though the Twitter Collusion was "out in the open", here was YOU insisting the exact opposite- that there was no evidence of Twitter conspiring with the government on the Hunter Biden Laptop story:
https://reason.com/2022/12/02/twitter-files-elon-musk-matt-taibbi-hunter-biden-laptop-censorship/?comments=true#comment-9819633
That's Mike, RIGHT THERE. He is literally arguing that the Taibbi Twitter Files prove no external coordination with Twitter. He was wrong of course, because he misread the threat Taibbi had posted. But nevertheless, there he is as one of those people trying to push the "it's nothing but a conspiracy theory" angle.
Mike is a lying shill, and he has no respect for anyone on this thread. Here he is contradicting his own words from a few months ago, and he doesn't care. He will lie to your face, gaslight you, and act morally outraged- because his sole purpose is to WASTE YOUR TIME dealing with his bullshit dissembling and red herrings.
That is a super convenient way to define 'conspiracy theory' - at least for your purposes. Everything that turns out to be true was never a conspiracy theory? Even with all the national media shouting that exact term from the rooftops. 'Oh, that's nothing, they were just all lying in unison, it was a well-known fact'.
I guess we can chuck that term into the same rubbish bin as others, like 'debunked' or 'bi-partisan', which have lost all meaning when the Left and the media (but I repeat myself) employ them these days.
'You can find some idiot saying anything'
[Actual Democrat leaders saying the same]
'Let's change the definition so I can act like I'm right'
Another 'conspiracy theory' that you deny:
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669716952200146952
Proven true. Again.
Goddamn Mike, you are a consummate shitweasel. You NEVER give up the con, do you?
Here we go people! Mike Laursen busting out his tried and true Liarson Maneuver.
https://reason.com/2023/05/07/will-2024-bring-the-return-of-the-neocons/?comments=true#comment-10051072
For those who don't know, the Liarson Maneuver is when Mike tries to quibble semantics of a tangential point in order to distract from a bigger truth. I really like Mike's efforts today, because he is actually doubling up on the Liarson Maneuver. Let's take a look at what he is doing:
LARGER TRUTH: Since 2020, we have seen numerous actual, real news stories dismissed as "conspiracy theories" before actually being confirmed as real. Many examples exist:
1) COVID-19 was leaked from a Chinese Lab
2) Censorship of the Biden Laptop was coordinated across the industry by government and Dem Party operatives
3) Governments are coming after gas stoves
4) Governments are going to force people to carry vaccine passports.
5) The government was engaged in censorship by proxy with Twitter and other big tech companies.
LIARSON MANEUVER: You need to understand that Mike gets very cranky when Team Blue starts looking bad. So he tries to get people arguing minutia in order to distract. If he can get people rat-holed on tangents, we are no longer talking about the Larger Truth, and he gets to feel good that once again Team Blue is not looking foolish.
In this case, Mike does two things. The first is that he tries to get us arguing about the definition of a conspiracy theory. Let's be clear: Team Blue repeatedly tried to smear people with the "Conspiracy Theory" charge. Not Minadin. And yes- that charge was disingenuous, sloppy and untrue. But notice that Mike has tried to get Minadin to defend what Team Blue was saying. This is textbook Liarson Maneuver.
But even further, Mike doubles down. Not only is he demanding we create an acceptable standard definition of "Conspiracy Theory", he is trying to gaslight us. We all know that many people were insisting that "No one is coming for your gas stove." I mean, even Reason's Billy Binnion made this argument. It was not a fringe statement.
And even Mike was out there denying that the Government was involved in censorship by proxy.
https://reason.com/2022/12/02/twitter-files-elon-musk-matt-taibbi-hunter-biden-laptop-censorship/?comments=true#comment-9819633
Of course, a few weeks later he was arguing the opposite- that everyone knew that government censorship was involved. This is Mike's basic tactic: He just spouts shit that isn't true, and distracts with meaningless digressions. He will never admit to being wrong, because he doesn't care about the people who know him. He is here to sow discord and chaos, and to shit up the threads with lies and disingenuous trolling- anything to make sure that Team Blue doesn't look bad.
“DARVO”
FFS, dude. What is partisan about thinking that the virus that emerged right next to a lab that was studying that kind of virus probably came from that lab? Lots of people of all political stripes could see that as the likely source from the beginning. Is Jon Stuart a Trump loving partisan?
"Lots of people of all political stripes could see that as the likely source from the beginning."
That may be true, but it was pretty remarkable (if unsurprising) how a certain stripe dismissed that theory because they were told to.
Right, but still far from being an obervation that only right-wing partisans made.
Looks like you got lucky. Your partisan-based beliefs are turning out to have emerging evidence supporting them. Congratulations!
This is what we call projection.
"Your stupid partisan-based beliefs won out over my Science-based ones"
Everytime.
"Science" = a guy on TV wearing a white coat told me what to think and I accepted it without question or critical thought
"The Science" = a government official on TV told me what to think and I not only accepted it without question or critical thought, I took it as confirmation of holy doctrine and so put up another yard sign.
"Your partisan-based beliefs"
probably your biggest reveal, my brother.
Occam's razor "sky is blue, grass is green" thoughts are "partisan beliefs" when the opposition party is trying to gaslight me that the opposite is true.
Very telling
""Your partisan-based beliefs ..""
Says a lot right there. You think it was a partisan belief, not a possible hypothesis.
How is that not admitting you thought it was a right-wing talking point.
It is admitting that. It’s also admitting he believed the racist left wing lie.
The stages of CDC Apologia:
Stage I (2022): “We’re right, you’re wrong.”
Stage II (Early 2023): “We were right to be wrong”.
Stage III (today): “You were wrong to be right”.
What are you planning for Phase IV, Mike?
And notice that our usual suspects are nowhere to be seen. Usually they are here to chide us for doubting The Science! (tm). And yet whenever their priests are left wanting, they disappear rather than show an ounce of contrition for trying to shame doubters for 3 years.
It is fun to go back and see the Very Serious and Smart People snidely insisting they had a handle on The Science! (tm).
https://reason.com/volokh/2020/05/06/was-the-new-coronavirus-accidentally-released-from-a-wuhan-lab/?comments=true#comments
Funny to see all the smug one-offs congratulating themselves for being so much smarter than all the people who ended up being proven right.
That was a very interesting trip down Memory Lane.
It's gratifying, sure, but the people responsible for propagating this bullshit need to face consequences.
I never hung out at the Volokh side, it always seemed a little... 'just bake the damned cake, racist' to me.
I wish I could say the same, but I have a 3-year-old comment about 5 down in the linked thread.
BTW, comments are still open on that?
At the very least, the lawyer-oriented nature lends itself to the, IMO, more reprehensible "I'm not saying whether you should or should not bake the cake, I'm just saying the law says you should bake the cake." 'stance' more frequently.
To be fair, most of the people that post on Volokh, especially the left leaning ones, are even bigger smug douchebags than the ones we have here.
On the other hand, at least they are open about being leftists.
Great stuff. Squirrelloid was spot on. Even mentioned the dude who is now ID'ed as patient zero. The "I believe The Science" folks never considered The Scientists were lying.
"Texas bans transgender women from college sports."
Texas restricts women's sports to women.
How bigoted!
Segregation!!!111!1!
I'm sure transgender women can still compete in college sports. As members of the men's team. Seems fair seeing as they're, you know, men.
There is no men's team. There's an 'open' division and a 'women only' division. Women have never been banned from playing on the so-called 'men's' teams.
+1
Even further, if/when/where women were banned it wasn't "You can't compete because you're a woman." it was "You can't compete because the last time we tried this someone like you lasted one season and/or got absolutely demolished."
Because somebody, somewhere is going to find a coach who cut 30-40 guys from his team or the league every year for a decade but when a woman showed up and he said, "You aren't going to play." it was suddenly sexist and representative of the universality of the patriarchy even if the next team over allowed women to play.
https://twitter.com/Trad_West_Art/status/1669630420453928960?t=fthwVwoLzAt1hoDM_J60YQ&s=19
'The women that run Fox News' - EVERYTHING is now micromanaged by crazy chicks. They insist that the WORLD talks and thinks like they do. A kind of inane, upbeat emotional exchange of credentialism and conformism. So where you don't have malignant 'money-power' intentionally destroying things, you have this irrational, bossy chaos. A perfect feedback loop - a spiralling drain...
https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1669506088532598784?t=TStIvPdiIhZgB1LKpDTqCw&s=19
Article 1, Section 5, clause 2 of the US Constitution:
Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member
RINO Cowards: “Giving Adam Schiff a fine is uNcOnStItUtIoNaL”
Schiff should receive the death penalty. He’s a traitor. As should most congressional democrats.
This is either pure stupidity, or shameless lying. I suspect the latter.
Personally, I am wondering how much of politics now is only about super rich folks determined to sink Biden because he wants to raise taxes on the extraordinary fortunes they’ve amassed under the low-tax regime of the past 40 years.
That's superstar #Resistance historian Heather Cox Richardson still operating under the illusion that Democrats are a working class, drink-billionaire-tears party.
Even better: the thread she finds so insightful is by none other than Lincoln Project scumbag Rick Wilson. 🙂
I mean, I have to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she knows how many billionaires supported Biden? She can't be that clueless can she?
Yeah, more likely she's just a cynical hack telling her gullible audience what it wants to hear.
#OBLsFirstLaw
Or, like all good Alinsky-style Marxists, she excels at claiming the enemy is doing exactly what she is doing.
Oh, I'm sure all those billionaires who support Democrats are selfless angels who only became super rich by accident.
Most of them tripped over a big box of high value bearer bonds.
Wasn’t it all but one billionaire that supported democrats in 2020?
Don't forget Peter Thiel.
Personally, I am wondering how much of politics now is only about super rich folks determined to sink Biden because he wants to raise taxes on the extraordinary fortunes they’ve amassed under the low-tax regime of the past 40 years.
Zero.
Can you, Mr. Robby Soave, please stop repeating this blatant falsehood?
Cubby v. CompuServe (1991) predated Section 230, and it doesn't go away if Section 230 goes away.
Given the choice of a censorious takedown regime that requires simultaneously paying lots of moderators and results in liability for everything left up, and a free-for-all where large social media sites neither need to pay moderators nor have any legal responsibility for content, only the second is financially viable.
You’re not factoring in the difference in incentives between a subscription service and an advertiser-supported service. Advertisers don’t want their ads appearing alongside a bunch of crap user posts.
They want traffic.
It's something I'm aware of; it's just irrelevant to the question of whether there'll be incentive for more moderation.
If Section 230 is repealed, the first possible outcome is discovering that Section 230 was fundamentally irrelevant, because current social media moderation levels don't involve the knowledge necessary for liability under pre-230 precedents like Smith v. California. In that case, there is no incentive for tighter moderation as a result of repealing Section 230 . . . and there's an ongoing risk that tighter monitoring will result in a court finding liability.
The second possible outcome is discovering that Section 230 was important, because current moderation levels are enough to convince the courts they prove the knowledge necessary for liability under pre-230 precedent. In that case, every time a teenage girl suggests that a local rival is slutty, that'll be a lawsuit under which the platform is liable under a regime of the current or stricter moderation. Given the number of posts social media platforms handle, there will be no way in hell that a sufficiently strict moderation regime can be adopted to effectively mitigate that sort of liability, and any social media site that moderates at all will go bankrupt under a flood of a hundred thousand libel suits. In that case, there is no incentive for tighter moderation as a result of repealing Section 230; the only way to survive is to go to looser moderation.
In that second scenario, it is entirely possible that the sites that reduce/stop moderating in order to avoid being bankrupted by libel suits will be progressively abandoned by advertisers until they can no longer stay in business. Those sites' slow death by loss of ad revenue will not, however, change the fact that anyone trying current-or-stricter moderation will be destroyed by libel lawsuits, and accordingly the incentive will be to find the level of moderation that the courts find loose enough to avoid liability while still being good enough that advertisers will be willing to advertise.
In a sub-scenario, we go along much like either of the other two, but while the resulting general moderation level isn't itself enough to trigger liability, courts impose liability if the site has been informed by a report mechanism.
It will then take about five minutes for trolls to render any report mechanism less onerous than the current DMCA takedown process flooded and useless. A DMCA-like process might result actually in a slight uptick in takedowns, but the major target (after sanctions for abuse of process shake things out) of the takedowns will be the sorts of materials that are plausibly actionable under US law. Which, of course, has truly minimal overlap with the sort of posts that Republicans are complaining about Big Tech moderating into oblivion.
So, insofar as Soave's claim is to any degree not literally false, it's a deliberate conflation of different types of speech to create a false impression of hypocrisy and/or foolishness on the part of Republican lawmakers.
Let’s go back to your original statement: “Given the choice of a censorious takedown regime that requires simultaneously paying lots of moderators.”
Why do you assume a social media company would hire more moderators instead of using more automated moderation (especially with the current AI vogue)?
Can you, Mr. Robby Soave, please stop repeating this blatant falsehood?
You're reading it as a statement of fact when there's nothing to indicate that it's not a statement of intent, is/ought.
https://twitter.com/extradeadjcb/status/1669699947158024197?t=OEhKL56oki_Z_91ZqNImqQ&s=19
All boomer politics, left & right, is organized around the idea that charismatic dictatorship is the Bad Ending, & our decentralized impersonal institutions keep us free
The buried lede here is that a headless autonomous robo-state converged so precisely on the same outcomes
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Why is it ok to say everyone in a given generation all act the same way, but you can’t say that about any given race or gender?
I find both pretty annoying.
So we Gen Xers generally abstaining from it, or not acting like that, is a breath of fresh air, right? Both sides. 🙂
It’s the same way all people from, say, Alabama can be branded as White Supremacists, although a large percentage of Alabama’s population is Black.
I hate it when everyone generalizes everything all the time.
I loathe anyone who disparages other people’s cultures, and the Dutch……
Don't they make a decent paint? Or is that done with child labor?
Aged gouda and their herring are pretty good. (Pro tip: aged gouda has a more favourable protein/calorie ratio than most protein bars).
(Pro tip: Herring is only good if you're a seagull)
Or if you're Jewish (schmaltz herring) or English (kippers) - hence both, in my case.
Being Jewish or English (or even Danish if you're lucky) doesn't make herring any good. It might make it something traditional that you enjoy, but so do seagulls.
Texas bans transgender women from college sports.
This is inaccurate. Any male player who likes to cross-dress can still play on the men's team. The headline should say
"Texas bans men from playing on female college sports teams"
Nicely put.
https://twitter.com/MaxAbrahms/status/1669685938765611008?t=1JQS8i_Unm9bqm5WZfBTBQ&s=19
The 51 intel leaders who lied to Americans that Hunter’s laptop was Russian at the behest of the Biden campaign to help him debate Trump are now the go-to authorities on the Ukraine war. Having a track-record of lying and inaccuracy and overall foolishness is not disqualifying.
Having a track-record of lying and inaccuracy and overall foolishness is not disqualifying.
This is how the Democratic Party operates. Gaslighting 101.
And the media-DNC-industrial complex always prefers sources proven to supply Grade AAA bullshit.
They sure do!
Now do the Republican Party. No gaslighting there?
Not on the same order of magnitude.
Republicans are more of the same old traditional political lying and manipulating. They haven't yet grasped the new age concept of telling the public that red is green or up is down, and they don't have a 99% compliant media or literally EVERY SINGLE 'FACT-CHECKER' employee on their side, so their game is lagging.
(Cite: https://freebeacon.com/media/fact-check-nearly-100-percent-of-political-contributions-from-fact-checkers-go-to-democrats/)
I've notice some of the "fact-checkers" only check things that go against the democrat's narrative.
Funny that.
Kind of like Mike in a way.
Thanks. I was hoping for an answer from Idaho Bob.
Answering you sometimes falls into a grey area.
Minadin's response was 100% accurate, yet you refused to respond.
Instead you continue stalking me.
I did respond: I thanked him.
“Stalking” — rolling my eyes at your hipocrisy on that one:
https://reason.com/2023/06/16/covid-19-patients-zero-wuhan-lab-leak-shellenberger/?comments=true#comment-10112714
“Mommy! Mommy! Mike is hitting me!” “Now, Bobby, did you do anything?” “No, mommy, I was sitting here all innocent, minding my own business.”
They sure do!
Now do liberal victimhood narratives. Never seen one?
Having a track-record of lying and inaccuracy and overall foolishness is not disqualifying.
Not only is it not disqualifying, it's grounds for a promotion.
The media still put Paul Ehrlich out there as an authority on population issues.
https://twitter.com/AetiusRF/status/1669685100647182339?t=ys18bbEjJW1zNQVjtv9jfA&s=19
There’s a cult of “niceness” that will sacrifice its own children just to prove how nice they are
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The mother of Barnaby Webber told the crowd: 'Please hold no hate to any race, colour, sex or religion in your heart... My beautiful boy - you have my, your dad and your brother's heart forever.'
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cult of weaponized 'tolerance' is more apt
https://twitter.com/Babygravy9/status/1669633090744987648?t=QeE9c6sLknZ88vIyEH6ykw&s=19
This happens with such regularity -- the parents of some poor slaughtered innocent telling the world, before their child's blood is even cold, not to be angry or vengeful -- that you have to wonder whether they've been given a script. It's the opposite of a normal response.
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“Turn the other cheek”.
'Burn this MotherFucker Down!' - Michael Brown, Sr., November 2014, Ferguson, MO
Consider that most news outlets aren't going to put a ranting pissed off person that might say something...well...nuts. Plus they might want to look sympathetic.
People can be charitable, although in fairness the cynic in me also realizes that this kind of 'polite' behavior also probably generates more revenue with a GoFundMe.
The only hate I hold in my heart is nondiscriminatory and directed at the human race, a bunch of retards really.
We need more men like Gary Plauché.
https://twitter.com/Con_Tomlinson/status/1669610110946091008?t=v2ClV7DoNk9FJhKOLmN9NA&s=19
The past must be pathologised so that the Progressive dissolution of traditions looks preferable and inevitable
The truth is: normal families and normal people have always outnumbered drug addicts and sexual deviants
(In fact, the way that Progressive permissiveness generates this class of perverts and substance-dependents makes it a self-fulfilling prophecy.)
But although this absurd caricature of the 50s doesn't correspond to reality, it does betray a fundamental error in the Progressive worldview
Inherent to this typically-dreadful Leftist meme is the conflation of involuntary illness (polio) and physical abuse with social obligations
The inability to abandon ones' family for sexual gratification (a la Phillip Schofield...) is falsely equated to being disabled or raped
This is because, to the Comprehensive Liberal focused solely on "consent," anything that limits hypothetical autonomy (like the duty a father has to his children) is oppression
When individual ambition is all that matters, but freedom cannot be quantified, you embark on a crusade of demonising the past and hutting for bigots beneath every rock in the present
After seventy years, has less dependency on people, and being less embedded in families we are accountable to, made us happy?
The endless pusuit of self-actualisation won't make you feel better
Some constraints are good, actually
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"COVID-19's 'Patients Zero' May Have Been Wuhan Lab Scientists"
..."the patient was a racoon dog, who got it from eating bats at the wet market, and snuck into the lab to bite a scientist"
- Wapo, NPR, CNN, etc
Reason was 100% on board calling the idea of a lab leak a baseless conspiracy theory, misinformation, fake news, etc
Did you really expect them to contradict The Narrative, and risk getting disinvited from the cool cocktail parties?
Of course not, and they should be savaged for it at every opportunity
And this is why thinking and reporting in probabilistic terms - which pretty much all media entities are incapable of, like almost all people - is the way to go.
I thought that the wet market explanation was somewhat more likely than the lab leak explanation, but at no point did I rule out the lab.
Why would you have “thought that the wet market explanation was somewhat more likely”?
Gullible fucking cracker.
The lab leak is not news. It's been known for years that WIV workers got the 'rona and spread it.
Why is it that people who wait for facts and then make up their minds are the bad guys, while people who make up their minds and ignore the facts are the good guys?
Given the facts of the situation that were known from the beginning, lab leak was at the very least a reasonable working hypothesis.
There were two main competing hypotheses (I think we could safely rule out the inevitable IZC) and one could not rule out either.
This is how you know that at least some of the public are beyond helping.
How it could be considered less likely that the virus escaped from the literally-next-door lab studying that exact disease is the product of a fundamentally illogical or indoctrinated mind.
Given that most people swallowed that line whole, it tells us there isn't really any hope of improvement in the United States. Public education has done it's job far too well by telling people the indoctrination is education when it's nothing of the sort.
Given that most people swallowed that line whole, it tells us there isn’t really any hope of improvement in the United States.
Nah, there is. It's just going to involve a culling that makes The Great Leap Forward look like the flu.
"Given the facts of the situation that were known from the beginning, lab leak was at the very least a reasonable working hypothesis."
I applaud the understated politeness of your reply.
Reserving judgement is a character flaw, don’t you know. A virtuous man is he who is faithful to the Republican Party catechism.
Amazingly, you always seem to reserve judgement and give the benefit of the doubt to Democrats, But it’s totally everyone else who’s a partisan.
LO Fucking L
Why is it people who ignore the facts until they become so overwhelming… never mind.
I mean, saying "nuh uh" isn't "waiting for the facts", it's taking a position.
And who did that? Who said, "nuh uh"?
LOL
Not sure if sarcasmic did, but you and Jeff 100% did in so many words.
Of course, I don’t keep a database of all the times you chucklefucks shit on anyone you collectivize as being republicans or right-wingers so you’ll just dismiss this.
You did make up your mind, you dismissed the lab as conspiracy.
Stop talking about yourself.
Stop talking about yourself.
Stop acting like a twelve year old.
I assume you meant to say, "you dismissed the lab [leak theory] as conspiracy". Did sarcasmic ever actually make any such dismissive statement, or are you just attributing it to him without basis?
I'll admit that it might be confusing for people who don't have the stooges muted. When they see every post of mine having a half a dozen replies filled with accusations, they might interpret my failure to defend myself as implicitly conceding to their lies.
The people claiming three years ago it was a lab leak DID have facts on their side. But Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, WaPo, NYT, and all the other DNC-sycophants hid that, called it fake news.
You were one of them, sez memory.
As always you are confusing your memory with the voices in your head. Not that I'd ever expect you to do anything different because then you'd have to respond to what I actually say instead of spouting off some rehearsed rebuttal to an argument I never made.
Still always nice to hear, "You were right" and more importantly this hopefully leads to changes at the NIH. R Paul had a policy he was trying to enact to defuse and limit the power that Fauci was able to wield.
and more importantly this hopefully leads to changes at the NIH
LOL, sure.
Well they obviously need a bigger budget to do a better job! Lol changes are coming! This new normal is pretty cool.
The article on substack - and its links to other research are very much both news and investigative journalism.
Of the three people named as 'Patients Zero' - two of them are named as co-authors of a Feb 3 2020 study that quite clearly denies anything but wet market origins and also denies that the virus itself could have any connections to anything even similar to coronaviruses studying in the WIV lab. IOW - they are both already infected and recovered - and covering up the origins of this virus - and covering up their own jobs/work. I remember scanning that study back then because of its claim about the % genetic relation (96%) to known bat coronaviruses.
Two of them are cited in an Apr 2019 study about the geographic distribution of bat coronaviruses that they have been studying.
A really interesting and well-sourced article. Still not sure the specific names identified are anything but a troll to compel an explanation from the Chinese. But that's worth it.
Alina Chan has been outstanding on all of this. Her Twitter is a great read. So is her book with Matthew Ridley -- Viral. She took a lot of heat professionally and stood up to all of it.
+1 for their book.
I've never heard of her but I just read her interview with MIT TechReview from awhile back describing how she first started questioning the origin. It was based on simple possibilities (an escape of the virus from a lab) and absence of barking dogs (where is any infected animal from that market?) not an already-assembled-but-half-baked conspiracy.
"If the names of the 3 sick WIV scientists had been made public in May 2020, I doubt that many in the scientific community and the media would have spent the last three years raving about a raccoon dog or pangolin in a wet market."
Alina Chan may doubt this, but I don't. The media, CDC, NIH, NIAID,etc. have no disincentive to lie to the public whenever it suits their purpose.
Sure they had incentive. Instead of blaming the ChiCommunist Party, they blamed the disgusting eating habits of the Chinese people. I'm sure the victims of all that alleged increase in hate crimes against Asian-Americans appreciate getting the media fingers pointed at them instead of at the Chinese government.
Well, you have to remember that it's racist to suggest that there was possibly an accident at a highly sophisticated scientific research facility, and that it's much more politically correct to blame it on a bunch of dirty foreign peasants with their weird ethnic foods and lack of sanitation habits.
Then it all makes sense.
Either way it reflected badly on China, and could be construed as racist.
The animal market theory did have the advantage of deflecting any possible blame from the NIH funding.
However, there is recent evidence that the research that led to the SARS-CoV-2 was funded by the Chinese PLA and kept secret from the outside world, so the NIH funding wasn't to blame:
https://reason.com/2023/06/16/covid-19-patients-zero-wuhan-lab-leak-shellenberger/?comments=true#comment-10112881
Of course, if that turns out to be the truth, we can't get all angry with Fauci. And that's no fun if you are a liberal-hating partisan.
Stop trying to deny reality.
Like all True Libertarians(tm), Mike thinks unelected bureaucrats should be shielded from public criticism, even if they illegally funded experimental research, unleashed a deadly virus, then spent three years gaslighting the public while avoiding any accountability for his wrongdoing.
Mike thinks unelected bureaucrats should be shielded from public criticism, even if they illegally funded experimental research, unleashed a deadly virus, then spent three years gaslighting the public while avoiding any accountability for his wrongdoing.
Not entirely true. Mike only wants accountability when the GOP gets caught. Even after all of the revelations, he still defends his demigod, Fauci. And calls everyone else partisan.
HIlarious. You guys are so far off on what "Mike thinks".
I'll make it easy for you. I'll tell you what I think, even though you never bothered to ask me:
First of all, recent evidence points to the Chinese military's being the ones who funded the research that created SARS-CoV-2, which means the NIH's funding likely wasn't at fault. So, right there, the long-standing right-wing grievance theory is undermined.
Second, I think Fauci deserves some level of shaming, approbrium, censure, criticism, whatever -- but right-wing talk about hanging him over it is nuts.
Third, I am not a Republican or Democrat, so Bob's theory that it matters to me whether some government official who pulled shit was a Democrat or Republican is just flat wrong.
Fourth, Fauci pulled his shit as part of both Republican and Democratic administrations. Yes, it is true that Democrats lauded him and Republicans vilified him, but he himself has never shown any signs of partisan allegiance to either major party.
They only used the China money to make bad virus, they used the NIH money to only buy lunch.
/mike
HIlarious. You guys are so far off on what “Mike thinks”.
What "Mike thinks" is trivial nonsense, because even Mike doesn't know what Mike thinks. Liarson eagerly parrots lefty shit.
Mike is incapable of "thinking".
— but right-wing talk about hanging him over it is nuts.
Why is execution nuts? This clown helped destroy the economy, pushed an experimental drug on the entire planet, (how many injured and dead?) and established diktats that were crimes against humanity.
Example - My father died alone because of Fauci policy. He was in ICU for six days, but wasn't allowed visitors. There are thousands of people with the same story. Loved ones dying alone because Fauci sold fear and lies.
He should die by sand fleas in Tunisia.
“Why is execution nuts?”
That you don’t see it is nuts says something about you. Your comments keep revealing more and more that you are a potential violent threat to society.
“how many injured and dead?”
Very few. Remarkably few compared to other vaccines.
“My father died alone because of Fauci policy.”
I’m sorry about your father. If I recall correctly, and I apologize if I am misremembering, you said your father was in a Coeur d’Alene or Spokane-area hospital with a heart attack. The hospital had a no-visitors policy at the time because of the COVID-19 pandemic. When in the complex COVID-19 timeline did this happen?
Why would the timeline matter?
Man lying just comes super easy to you.
That you don’t see it is nuts says something about you. Your comments keep revealing more and more that you are a potential violent threat to society.
Hilarious. Only a DNC operative would say that about my commentary. FYI – I’m only a threat to those who would threaten me and mine. The NAP is my moral compass.
Very few. Remarkably few compared to other vaccines.
Typical non-quantifiable response. The S Korean study says 5 in 100,000 have vax myocarditis. Considering the jab did not work at all, I stand by my crimes against humanity comment.
.005 % myocarditis rate? Not death, just having myocarditis at all? Let it go — that’s a wonderfully low level of side effects.
And from which of the vaccines? I had heard it was the most traditional,
non-mRNA vaccine that had a few cases of myocarditis.
And didn’t work at all? That’s not true.
“…..right wing grievance theory”.
God, what an asshole.
The first part is a fair point, but the second is not.
Consider that the same project may have been receiving funding from multiple sources. They can both be guilty.
Have you read the article about the Chinese military’s involvement? It addresses whether funding from multiple sources was involved, specifically talking about how the Chinese military kept its activities secret from everyone in the international virus research community.
Why don’t you wait for more evidence on that.
oh my.
You always try to have it both ways. Why shouldn’t we? We won’t, but I’m just illustrating how hypocritical you are.
And there’s plenty to hate about Fauci that is firmly established fact.
“Either way it reflected badly on China, and could be construed as racist.”
No, only one way could be construed as racist and it’s the one the racist media and Democrats pushed (but i repeat myself).
We know for a fact that this specific research was funded by a NIH grant to EcoHealth Alliance. There was never an argument that this funding existed. Rather, the argument was whether this constituted "gain-of-function research" as defined. That the project was also funded by the PLA does not negate this fact. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Yeah, the statement “the scientific community and the media would have spent the last three years raving about a raccoon dog or pangolin in a wet market” not only assumes facts not in evidence but also contradicts several other behavior patterns around other facts that are in evidence.
Oh boy! Less raving about raccoon dogs and pangolins, more raving about our need to sanitize surfaces, remain 6 ft. apart, stay indoors and sedentary out of the sun, keep kids out of school and bars and churches closed, mask up, MOAR TESTING!!!, vaccine passports, social obligation to get vaccinated, lock old people in their homes, etc., etc., etc.
But BLM protests are totes okay!
The media, CDC, NIH, NIAID,etc. had every incentive--and moral imperative--to lie. 2020 was the Most Important Election Year Ever, and nothing was more important than defeating Trump, including surviving the pandemic.
The first three people to contract COVID-19 were scientists working at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), claims a new report—a finding that could confirm the lab leak theory of COVID-19's origins, if verified.
No! No way! Who could have possibly imagined except anyone with a fucking functional brain?
Who could have possibly imagined except anyone with a fucking functional brain?
Paging Mike Laursen. He continues to rail on about all things false in the DNC covid narrative. He's either paid or genuinely stupid.
Why not both?
OK, that was super vague. What exactly did I say that was false?
LOL
Crickets.
Why do you suppose you go pot the nick “Liarson”?
This entire board knows gaslighting is your go to technique.
Why waste my time giving examples?
What a copout. You’ve got nuthin’.
How would you know, you have half the board muted and refuse to click most people’s links.
https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1669710057964179457?t=4OYBN6jQIA04SBg7ZDvzEw&s=19
The radicals are so pissed off about Moms for Liberty. They're enraged and terrified that normal people could get together and get this influential against them. Therefore, they have to pressure hotels to cancel event contracts.
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Activism for me but not for thee.
Remember in the late 80's and early 90's when decency groups tried to do this against porn conventions and libertarians were outraged?
That was (D)ifferent.
TX is not banning trans anybody from sports.
They are banning them from not participating in the sport of their actual sex.
There is a massive difference.
They are banning them from not participating in the sport of their actual sex.
Which is going to put their women's teams at a huge disadvantage against teams from other states that allow men pretending to be women to compete against actual women.
But on the plus side, if you're a female athlete you'll be far less likely to be raped or have some tranny shove their ladydick in your face in the locker room if you go to a Texas college. So there's that, I guess.
And considering how many lesbians are in college sports leagues one might wonder how this stacks up on the victim pyramid. Turns out lesbians are the least important letter of the victimnym.
Which makes sense because women have no agency. Men are so much better than women they actually make better women that women do despite not being able to actually be a woman in any meaningful way.
Gotta love how the trans issue has effectively exploded the lefts own dynamics. Just sit back with some popcorn and watch them tear themselves apart.
FBI Director Christopher Wray told Fox News that COVID-19 most likely resulted from "a potential lab incident in Wuhan, China."
I'll bite. What is a "potential lab incident"?
Whatever it is it makes Trump-tards jump around like monkeys.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Not even trying. C-
I think that to get a job in law enforcement you need to take a special course on awkward phrasing and weird word choices.
Yep. Awkward phrasing courses were taken, potentially by Wray.
A new report says the very first guy who died of Covid 19 was the guy in charge of the gain of function research at the Wuhan lab.
If true, this means he was a colleague of the guy at UNC who funneled the money to the lab. He would have known from day 1. The samenis true of Fauci, if less directly.
This means they knew before any of the spread here. They knew the wet market monkey meat story was a lie, because a co-investigator on their grant died of Covid 19. Nobody would miss the connection under those circumstances.
What difference, at this point, does it make?
FBI-speak for “alleged” or “probable”?
But if it resulted from a lab incident, it resulted from a lab incident, not from a potential lab incident.
A couple days back SRG used “potential” to mean not-yet-officially recognized by the FBI. Retaining classified documents after you leave office is a “potential crime”, only if the FBI decides to call you on it does it transition to just a “crime”.
I think it’s the same usage here. Wray is (esentially) saying that the FBI knows it was a lab incident, but they have elected not to declare it one.
I believe that really is their attitude: everyone commits three potential felonies a day, but they are only crimes if the FBI decides they are crimes. Their decision is a required element of every offense, and by far the most important one.
The FBI does investigation. The DoJ decides whether to prosecute or not.
Riiiiiiight.
Conservatives are seeking Muslim support on social issues and wokeness.
Natural butt buddies.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
But they will have to work hard to catch up to Minnesota liberals.
Such homophobia...
A lawyer relative bounced this tweet thread about the Trump indictment to me:
https://twitter.com/willscharf/status/1669333151569543168?t=K_DDVjlaGkPdOCzZZXRkAw&s=19
Pretty good takedown.
My independent observation: this is the third time they have broken attorney client privilege targeting Trump. This is something that is nearly sacrosanct. Yet they raided and prosecuted Cohen for the sole purpose of forcing him to cooperate against Trump. They raided and prosecuted Giuliani with the exact same intent. And now this.
These are once-in-a-lifetime exceptions. Yet lighting has magically struck the same place 3 times. If this is not evidence of corrupt intent, I don’t know what would be.
Also, they went all the way to northern Europe to pull in a "special prosecutor" who has already been smacked down in the Supreme Court 9-0 for a purely partisan political prosecution.
That they are not even pretending to hide their partisan motives is one thing.... but the intense public pressure for everyone to maintain the pretense is even more amazing.
TDS is a fact. And those who feel they are on a holy crusade against evil accept no limits on their actions.
Yeah, those deranged Trump supporters accept no limits in their holy crusade against evil Democrats.
It's unfortunate that these incidents keep feeding Trump's paranoid delusions about how the justice system is out to get him.
It's unfortunate that he ignored his own lawyers' advice for years, and instead stubbornly held onto those boxes like a petulant man-child.
On TRUTH Social, Trump has posted two rants about how he is not guilty because of the Presidential Records Act. He needs to sit down with his lawyers so they can explain to him that none of the charges against him are based on the PRA.
It's one thing to be an idiot. It's a whole nuther thing to be an obstinate idiot.
Someone needs to sit down with Mike and explain to him that rules specific to presidents in one act can override general rules another.
It’s one thing to be an idiot. It’s a whole nuther thing to be Mike.
Did they finally let you on Truth?
I don't it's so much him being an idiot as being so used to doing what the wants that he didn't think anything was going to happen.
Imagine if Sarcasmic knew what he was talking about instead of offering barely remembered talking points he heard on CNN.
Is it still paranoia if they really are out to get you?
Additionally, they're threatening to disbar any attorneys who take him on as a client
Thanks for sharing that. This entire prosecution is nothing but smoke and mirrors. The PRA gives the president the sole and unique authority to determine what are Presidential records and what are Personal records. Classification status and NDI status do not trump that authority. This has already been adjudicated. A president cannot possibly be guilty of failure to return documents that he has determined to be Personal records. The judge in Florida needs to halt the criminal proceedings and force the DOJ to defend the charges, hopefully in the Supreme Court on an expedited basis.
Indeed, like Mark Levin, who many people here appear to be fans of, your relation shows that lawyers are trained to advocate for a position, not to present the truth.
Who?
""lawyers are trained to advocate for a position, not to present the truth."""
Of course. Now consider how many lawyers are in politics and activism.
Should have been under SRG's post.
"who many people here appear to be fans of"
Now, I'm not on this site everyday, but I have never even seen his name uttered once in the comment sections. Who are the "many people" you are talking about?
When Mother’s Lament first cited the Judicial Watch case I thought it highly unlikely that he had developed the argument himself and I wondered where he got it from – people are fond of presenting an argument that they did not originate as though it was their own work. Two or three other active posters picked up on the same argument, thus making me suspect that this had originated somewhere in the bubble, and then in the Volokh comments, someone explicitly mentioned Mark Levin and the puzzle was solved.
Now, I’m not on this site everyday,
You mean, not under that handle.
"When Mother’s Lament first cited the Judicial Watch case I thought it highly unlikely that he had developed the argument himself"
No shit.
Alan Dershowitz and Jeff Barnes were the two lawyers who I saw mention it first, but I'm sure many thousands of lawyers across America can remember a famous and relevant case also involving a president and NARA that happened just eleven short years ago.
So no, not Volokh.
Also, the fact that you seem to think this is some sort of esoteric narrative conceived at Trump Tower tells me that your Oxfordian legal education may be a fabulism.
"Now, I’m not on this site everyday,
You mean, not under that handle."
Pretty gutsy allegation coming from a sockpuppeting fifty-center.
"...Also, the fact that you seem to think this is some sort of esoteric narrative conceived at Trump Tower tells me that your Oxfordian legal education may be a fabulism..."
On the internet, most anyone *CAN* tell you're a lying pile of shit.
For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/
The part which Reason still has yet to acknowledge, but which most intelligent people already know anyway, is that "Doctor" Anthony Fauci has committed multiple felonies against the American people. First he violated the federal ban on gain of function research outsourcing all the work to our "friends" in China, then he committed perjury in sworn testimony about said work on multiple occasions.
They have him (and several of his colleagues) drop-dead slam dunk dead to rights on these crimes, with emails, paper trails, and everything else you need for convictions. He should have been arrested, charged, and indicted a while ago. And he might have been if we didn't now have the most throughly corrupted, rotten, hyperpartidan Department of Justice we've ever had in American history thanks to Barack Obama and his nasty little cabal of America-haters.
The Swamp is now a vile, disgusting sewage treatment plant that needs a total scrubbing more than it ever has.
You got Fauci by the balls, Mikey!
Defending Fauci? How low can you go?
Well, turd is a liar.
And a pedophile.
And probably a child molester.
Certainly a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
I'm not defending Fauci. I don't care about him.
Uh huh
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit, a TDS-addled asshole and a pederast besides.
Remember that Trumpistas have the same grasp of "logic" as Tony who thinks inaction is action. So if you're not attacking then you're actively defending.
Yeah, because you're definitely the acme of logic and reason, drunky.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
That is an extremely odd twist of the new era.
Caught red-handed no longer means caught.
Biden bragged about getting some Ukrainian prosecutor fired. His son gets millions from the Ukrainian company the prosecutor was investigating. He is caught. Red handed. There is no innocent explanation.
"Hunter was just trading on his dad's name".
I suppose you could follow it back to Clinton. Not just the dress (in an era when merely talking about sex at work would get you fired, suddenly banging the intern in the office was merely a private matter) ... no, going back to the campaign.
Clinton's draft status was an issue. He claimed he never got drafted. This was a lie.
He got caught. Someone found his draft notice.
The press immediately pivoted to "this is old news. We have always known he got a first notice. But he never got a second notice. That is the one that counts "
Someone produced the second notice.
"We have always known about that... but he never asked for special treatment..."
Letters to senator Proxmire are produced.
"But he got a deferment for grad school"
Documents are produced that show that he lied, and never showed up at the university of Arkansas, opting to go to England instead, in a program not eligible for a deferment.
Every step, caught red-handed. And the press pretended like he was not caught.
It is the first instance of this that I was ever aware of. Gary Hart had to drop out because of a single photo with a pretty girl on his lap on a boat dock.
It really stood out to me at the time.
Now? We have contemporaneous notes of the FBI director suggesting that they frame someone for a crime, and Obama approved it.... and the frame job happened.
And everyone pretends like they didn't get caught. It just never happened.
What do you expect? turd lies; it's what turd does. If turd posts something which isn't a lie it's accidental; he intended a lie and made a mistake.
turd lies.
The DNC is an arm of the press. -Michael Malice.
More like two sentient ventriloquist dummies, each with its arm up the other's ass.
No, they don't. It depends on what the legal definition of "gain-of-function research" is, and they'll lawyer the crap out of that.
Funny how people who believe Trump was peed on, the lab leak theory was a Trump lie, Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation think Trump fans are falling for disinformation.
Trump showed up at a Miami restaurant and promised food for everyone but left without paying for anything: report
Typical Con Man Donnie known for stiffing vendors and ripping off customers.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-promised-free-food-no-one-got-anything-2023-6
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
I saw that article. It’s a too-good-to-be-true story for Trump haters like you and me.
If you read the original story from the food column of a local Miami paper it is based on hearsay and doesn’t actually say he stiffed the bill. What the original story says is that he didn’t stay at the restaurant long enough for any of his fans to order anything before he left.
Trump walks into a restaurant = big news to analyze.
Biden rambles on about building a train across the pacific = crickets.
Is Mike trying to post about Trump offering to pay everyone's tab at the restaurant and then skipping out on the check?
Because the restaurant owner has already come out and clarified that his aides did indeed pick up everyone's tab...
Yeah, see? Trump didn’t actually pull the cash out his own pocket, so there.
And turd lies about it.
""Trump walks into a restaurant = big news to analyze.""
Did he get a taco salad?
At a Cuban restaurant?
Fact don't matter to the TDS crowd.
Trump did something awful: Report
More accurately:
"Trump did something awful: Claim by lefty rag"
"Trump Did Something: Lefty Analyst Explains Why It's Awful"
^+1
"How Dare That awful Donald J. continue engaging in oxygen respiration! The nerve! He did it right at me!"
"COVID-19's 'Patients Zero' May Have Been Wuhan Lab Scientists, Report Finds"
Fauci hardest hit.
Make it a baseball bat; it's what he deserves, the lying pile of shit.
He was only lying to protect you. Can't you see that?!
#TrustInTony
OH NO! FAKE SCANDAL UNRAVELING!
‘Maybe they don’t exist’: Republicans question legitimacy of alleged audio recordings of Biden bribery scheme
...
The tapes are the latest unverified allegations Republicans have raised as they’ve launched investigations into the Biden family’s business dealings as well as the work of the FBI. While Republicans have used their subpoena power to go after the Biden family’s foreign business dealings, they have still not established a direct link to President Biden.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/15/politics/republican-reaction-alleged-audio-recordings-biden-bribery-scheme/index.html
Remember that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
My second take on this was that it fits their pattern of putting out credible negative information ahead of a story, then undermining the credibility.
The Dominion guy was backed up by the intelligence community. Until Trump took the bait. Then they outed him as a kook.
These tapes sounded similar. They seem to be intended as a poison pill, to be easily discredited, thereby discrediting all accusations.
It is just too on-the-nose
""The Dominion guy was backed up by the intelligence community. Until Trump took the bait. Then they outed him as a kook.""
Intel screwing you 6 ways to Sunday? Schumer warned Trump.
https://twitter.com/jhalderm/status/1669088766718541824?t=8zkMe8tcf7USUJQPs2f3aw&s=19
Today, the Federal District Court for the Northern District of Georgia unsealed a 96-page report that I wrote w/ Prof. @_aaspring_ from @AuburnU. It describes serious vulnerabilities we found in Georgia's Dominion ImageCast X ballot marking devices.
[Link]
Nothing about Walker today?
That's OK. Found another "Black body" stepping out of line. Maybe even more deserving of your Southern good ol' white boy rage.
Cornel West's Presidential Run Could Be Joe Biden's Worst Nightmare
Go ahead. Call him "Uncle Tom" for demonstrating insufficient loyalty to the great Joe Biden.
Brother Cornel a little bit "teuched in the haed".
Don't forget that turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
It's weird how the left and their allies are always the racists. Uncanny.
I would love to see Trump/West debates.
CNN pretending that "Republicans" are "question(ing) legitimacy"????
Yeah, you got yourself a real scoop there, Pluggo.
Not like running cover for Biden hasn't been their mandate or anything. Neat to see how the bank records and text messages + witness testimony somehow isn't "a direct link to President Biden."
Republicans pounce!
Why not have a nice snap impeachment and find out?
First you have to get the votes in the House.
A conspiracy to deprive people of their civil rights.
Dershowitz: Why Donald Trump Cannot Get a Top-Tier Lawyer
"There is a group that calls itself The 65 Project that has as its goal to intimidate lawyers into not representing Trump or anyone associated with him. They have threatened to file bar charges against any such lawyers.
When these threats first emerged, I wrote an op-ed offering to defend pro bono any lawyers that The 65 Project goes after.
So The 65 Project immediately went after me, and contrived a charge based on a case in which I was a constitutional consultant, but designed to send a message to potential Trump lawyers: if you defend Trump or anyone associated with him, we will target you and find something to charge you with. The lawyers to whom I spoke are fully aware of this threat -- and they are taking it seriously.
You'll never guess who's funding them. Rhymes with Bedia Batters and Beorge Boros.
Well, that and the FBI will raid your office, steal all your work product and violate all of your privileged case information, including other clients. Who wants to sign up for the DOJ threatening decades in prison if you don't implicate your client?
Every lawyer in that group should be disbarred.
They are usurping a citizen's right to counsel. They admit they are doing it.
Every person in that group should be strung up by their toes.
And it’s totes both sides that are a problem in this country.
I am sure it has nothing to do with the fact that he is a terrible client who doesn't listen to his lawyer's advice or that his actions often end in the lawyers getting sanctioned.
Did you read the Axios article? Obviously not.
Maybe R Mac is right and you really are a parody.
I did not see anything in this thread about and Axios article. Perhaps you could reference it.
It was in my link, but here it is directly:
https://www.axios.com/2022/03/07/trump-election-lawyers-disbar
First the link you referred to was a link within a link and never identified as an Axios article, so finding it was hard.
Second the Axios article was not about Donald Trump finding lawyers to defend himself. I still believe the reluctance for lawyers to work for Trump defense is his own behavior creating difficulties for his lawyers. Another lawyer, Jim Trust, resigned the other day citing “irreconcilable differences” with Trump.
The Axios article focused on lawyers who were involved in litigation against 2020 election results. Now if those were good faith efforts I think the 65 Project is wrong. If they target lawyer engaged in frivolous lawsuits or illegal activity, like fake electors, I support the 65 Project's efforts.
Teve Torbes?
USA TODAY forgets to interview any of those Nazis protesting outside Disney World
When the protest is real, the media will report the names of the protestors or ask readers to identify them.
When the protest is fake, they will not.
The only named people in that piece are the 6th generation Floridians who miraculously appeared on the scene with the exact form of outrage that the press wished to report.
"We talked to Lisa Gause, the only living descendant of the original settlers of Florida. She just so happened to be here exactly at the same time we were, and she blames Gov DeSantis for the Nazis we forgot to identify."
Life is full of these little serendipities.
This is the 4th or 5th time the national media has reported about white supremacist nazi supporters of Trump, now disantis protesting outside Disney. It is always a half-dozen people. And NBC is always there.
It is so obviously fake.... yet nobody bothers to even ask them who they are or what they believe. Because they are in on it and all they need is a photo and a headline.
Notice that they will dox anyone who dared oppose them.... except these various protesters who have tiny protests and look like a caricature.
Kind of reminds me of the Lincoln Project play-actors with tiki torches in front of Youngkin's campaign bus. They didn't even bother hiring all white guys to play their white supremacists, and the media just ran with it uncritically.
I mean they convinced Mike and Jeff, so it works.
Rep. Jordan: We deposed Jack Smith in 2014 during the IRS targeting scandal.
He wanted to prosecute conservatives then.
And he’s still at it now.
By 19 points, more voters think the Trump indictments are a bad thing.
Democrats still say it's a good thing, but only 57% of them. That's 20 points less than how many wanted Trump jailed over J6.
Jeff smiles benevolently
The Mayor of Hoboken, NJ & other elected officials are teaming up with a public library to offer a drag show and “banned books read-a-thon”
Kids can win “banned books” some of which teach about gay sex, promote kink and sex apps, and depict sex scenes
The next generation of twisted gender activists does not grow on trees (or come from actual procreation of the current generation).
Why not offer copies of poronographic magazines while they are at it?
How many male high school students want copies of Hustler?
Or story hour with a bunch of female strippers?
Is Hustler still a thing?
My dog ate my geofencing data, Miss.
J6 Pipe Bomber Story Goes Boom
The FBI conducted a halfhearted inquiry, at best.
Now we know why.
Literally every day people in CIA, FBI, DHS leak classified info to their corporate media friends: the ones feigning outrage over Trump. Nobody cares.
The worst leak under the US Code is leaking NSA intercepts: that's what was done to destroy Michael Flynn. Nobody cares.
That is because that leak was authorized by the director of the FBI. Or CIA. Or DOJ.
Totally different.
Anyone who thinks this is all about a very serious, dispassionate prosecution over some very important classified info is not gonna make it.
Nobody cares and, in fact, the media revels in so and so "requested anonymity because they weren't authorized to talk about" such and such.
Hundreds of times each day, Washington (and the whole world) whispers to reporters "you didn't hear it from me 'cause I'll get in big trouble, but here's the inside poop."
I'm not gonna hold my breath waiting for them to look into this story.
So, they're gonna apologize to everyone they accused of being "racist conspiracy theorists" as recently as a couple of years ago for even suggesting that a lab leak was a possibility, right?
I like the orwellian ministry of truth connections.
Remember, suggesting a lab connection wasn't just wrong. It was dangerous. Misinformation.
One must not be allowed to spread it.
YouTube would ban you for even talking about it.
I don't think "sorry" covers it.
"Sorry" has been in the rear-view mirror regarding several issues for quite some time.
I don’t think “sorry” covers it.
No, but I figured I'd set the bar ridiculously low, and we won't even get that.
I’m not gonna hold my breath waiting for them to look into this story.
You might be able to hold your breath, though, for this (from the blog post above):
In March, President Joe Biden signed bipartisan legislation requiring the federal government to declassify all intelligence relating to the pandemic's origins. The deadline for declassification is June 18, which means whatever information caused the FBI to reach its determination should become publicly available in a few days.
The just-revealed report from Biden's Director of National Intelligence - on how CIA, NSA and others are *buying* extremely invasive information about Americans which they'd be barred from collecting.
Muh private companies
Yeah, if the Nazi's had only out-sourced their final solution program.
"We not killing the Jews, it's IG Farben and Mauser."
African Leaders Bring Peace Proposal to Ukraine as Kyiv and Moscow Vie for Support.
Looks like "African leaders" are about to become the next hitlers. Colour revolutions incoming.
American flag causes ‘anxiety’ for Marquette professor
Retard.
Springfield College tells students to avoid using terms 'mother' and 'father'
More retards.
Trump got a bit of good legal news:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/westchester-da-quietly-closes-trump-investigation-without-charges
“The Westchester County District Attorney’s Office conducted an investigation regarding certain properties owned by Donald J. Trump and/or the Trump Organization located in Westchester County, New York. Our investigation is now closed.”
Speaking of retards...
Space Force General Says She’d Prioritize Gender Surgery Access Over Hiring Qualified Officers
It amazed me how quickly the US military fell. When Obama dismissed all those generals, he really knew what he was doing.
From the thread:
"4. We're in a dark place when Generals start weighing in on state laws to protect children. What are the implications of "national security concerns"? What does LTG Burt want Space Force DoD to do about this?
She does not have her rank demoted...why?
Her commander in chief dictated that diversity and equity were the top priority from the time he took office.
Why on earth would she be demoted for following the orders of her commander in chief?
Because this is what the brass want, these days.
It amazed me how quickly the US military fell.
It was pretty much the last institution they had to march through, and now it seems they've completed that.
This is how he, quietly and noticed by few, most damaged the country, intentionally and with malice aforethought.
Burlington, MA, Shocked After Middle School Kids Rebel Against School’s LGBT Pride Celebration
“…groups of students were heard chanting, ‘U.S.A are my pronouns,’ and students glared intimidatingly at faculty members showing pride”
Josh Homme looks like he’s selling fried chicken.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vbt9O7sZz4E
Got tickets yay!
Hey Dillinger, you going to QOTSA?
I'm not on the tour list. why play OKC and not DFW?
One of my favorite bands, Phantogram, is opening. I'd recommend the show just to see them.
there are handful of bands I have traveled 3 hours+ for ... we'll see about QOTSA
Ouch. That's a trek. Opposite here. Normally I have to go to Boston to see a show but they're playing in Portland which is a lot closer.
they know you're a fan
I took this last time I saw Phantogram.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isNwpxdPe9M
They’re not for everyone. But I like ’em. And I'm always in the front row at House of Blues in Boston.
sweet
People don’t seem to know this even though it’s painted on the bricks. But if you have a meal at the restaurant next door that’s part of the House of Blues and spend twenty bucks, you can go in the skip-the-line line. VIP people who spent more on tickets go in first. Then you. Then the shmucks who’ve been waiting for an hour. 😀
So I show up an hour before the doors open. Then I leisurely enjoy and sandwich and a beer with whoever my concert-buddy is at the time, step out the door through the line of people reaching around the block, stroll over to the skip-the-line line, get inside before all of them, and once I park myself in the front row I turn around and laugh at people.
mme dillinger is routinely late to things so an hour early is unlikely for me lol
… once I park myself in the front row I turn around and laugh at people.
What a beautiful soul.
So, here are four of Trump's talking points rebutted.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-makes-legal-claims-classified-documents-experts-push/story?id=100113660
So now you know why the commenters here were talking so much about the PRA and the JW v. NARA decision. Because that is what Trump cited.
Nice of them to quote a partner from Perkins Cole. Funny that they do not mention what PC has done.
Laundered money from Hillary for the Steele dossier was one.
They are a law firm for the Democrats.
You'd think that would be relevant when seeking their analysis.
It's relevant, in that it suggests extra caution in reading their analysis. However, it doesn't automatically wipe out the possible validity of their analysis.
Perkins Coie is burned as biased. sorry.
As I said above, Trump keeps ranting about how the PLA absolves him on TRUTH Social.
Strange how they failed to mention how Trump's lawyers interpretation of JW v. NARA has been binding guidance issued by the Justice Department itself in 2012.
Why did they forget to mention that, and instead take the interpretation of an ex-NARA lawyer who now works for the Democratic Party?
"NARA, in a June 9 statement, said the law requires a president to separate personal and presidential documents "before leaving office."
Gosh. What's this about then?
The Obama Foundation keeping the presidential documents instead of NARA and only giving them digital copies?
Looks like a couple of different groups have been telling whoppers.
Spoiler: Arguing with TDS-addled dipshits like Mike and Jeff about competing interpretations of what the law actually says is a waste of time. Their side is not operating in good faith. The conclusion is to put Trump in prison, come up with an obviously pretextual reason, then put people who care about justice or fairplay constantly on the defensive.
Yep, that’s the only explanation. Couldn’t possibly be reasoned analysis of past cases and a knowledge of history. Nope, it’s just cause they’re trumpist.
You should really take the individualist out of your name.
Okay well, fine, but here's the thing: Even if the Lab Leak theory becomes the accepted narrative, it is going to be framed as an accident.
I don't think it was an accident.
Enh, maybe, maybe not, but lying to the world about it definitely wasn't an accident.
If you don't believe the CCP you are racist!
I don’t think it’s going to be framed as an accident. It is looking like it is going to be blamed on the Chinese People’s Liberation Army. (Rightfully.)
It will be interesting how the Chinese people react when they get wind of the evidence against the PLA.
This is the new story that Mike latched onto while he waits for evidence.
He's praying it's true so he can constantly refer to it to distract and deflect from his embarrassing acceptance of the official wet market narrative.
Either way, the world wide spreading of the virus was a deliberate act by the CCP.
If their economy was going down, every other one in the world was going down too.
That is why international travel was allowed/encouraged from Wuhan, while all internal travel was locked down as tight as men with guns can do it.
And, so let's talk about this Shellenberger/Taibbi story about 'patient zero'.
Note that they did not do any medical or scientific testing of their own. Their sources of information were (a) anonymous government officials and (b) official government documents.
And it may wind up being that their hypothesis may be correct, that the virus really did start from the lab.
But for all of you who are now claiming 'SEE I TOLD YOU SO' - no, not really. Because we all know what would have happened, had they been reporters that you do not regard as friendly - suppose they were reporters from CNN or MSNBC - using anonymous government sources and official government documents to come to a different conclusion. Your response absolutely would have been to (a) trash the reporters as hacks, (b) trash the anonymous sources as likely fake and made up, and (c) trash the documents as propaganda from the 'Deep State'. Because that is what you all routinely do when the result doesn't go your way.
So the complaint about 'conspiracy theories' is only partly about the theory itself, in this case, whether the virus came from the lab or not. The complaint is also about the type of thinking that accompanies the theory. In this case, the type of thinking is results-oriented - it takes the desired conclusion ("the virus definitely came from the lab!") and then twists the facts around it to try to prove that conclusion, RATHER THAN the proper way to form a conclusion, which is to let the facts guide what the conclusion ought to be.
And given your uncritical acceptance of this report, the standards of which you would have rejected had the result been anything different, it is clear you are still engaging in the type of conspiracy-theory thinking, of twisting the facts to fit the conclusion.
So, it may yet turn out that the virus started in the lab, but this report doesn't prove it. To do that, we would have to know more information that went in to the documents and the sources that are the factual foundation behind this report, and maybe the release of declassified info will shed some more light on that. But the critical thinker should reserve final judgment until more information appears.
Silly. The validity of anonymous sources hinges on whether the anonymous sources are supporting or undermining one's partisan beliefs.
KEEP THIS POST FOLKS. JEFF AND MIKE FINALLY ADMITTED IT.
That's your view, not mine.
Yep, if an anonymous source said anything about Trump, Trump haters would believe it. They have been proving it since 2016.
The pee tape for example.
>>But for all of you who are now claiming ‘SEE I TOLD YOU SO’
how many voices do you hear?
Yeah, it's also possible that the sun might rise in the west tomorrow, but at some point you just have to go with what seems extremely likely and plausible.
""So the complaint about ‘conspiracy theories’ is only partly about the theory itself, in this case, whether the virus came from the lab or not.""
I think the compliant is if you put forth the idea that the lab leak was a possibility you were shouted down by people claiming it was a Trump conspiracy then ridiculed you for spreading disinformation. Perhaps even having your social media posts removed for disinformation.
Jeff never saw that happen so it didn’t.
The radical individualist arguing that the government determined narrative continues to be pushed on the public. The radical individualist doing all he can to shield the giant bureaucracy's immediately generated narrative based on no evidence about the origins of COVID.
And you have to love the added portion of, "it may be true, but you all are being partisan with info just like I was" deflection. Even though lab leak was simply obvious and intuitive, but apparently it required being partisan to see the obvious.
Marlboro Adds Puberty Blockers To Cigarettes To Make Them Legal For Kids
RICHMOND, VA - Cigarette maker Marlboro has announced that they have added puberty blockers to cigarettes to make them legal for kids.
"Now that our smooth Marlboro cigarettes can block puberty, 13 and 14-year-old kids should be able to use them legally, without parental consent," said a spokesperson for the company.
Cited as "lung-affirming care," the cigarette manufacturer's decision to supplement their products with puberty blockers has caused progressives to praise Marlboro as a true advocate for children's health.
Becomes reality in 3...2...1...
even though the platforms' incentives to take down content would actually increase without Section 230
A rather brazen admission that the hyperlitigious trolls who would destroy the internet without section 230's protections are you.
Talk about non sequitur.
>>hyperlitigious trolls who would destroy the internet ... are you.
lol
>>Christopher Wray told Fox News that COVID-19 most likely resulted from "a potential lab incident in Wuhan, China."
when Chris Wray is forced to tell the truth ...
>>A grand jury indicted Jack Teixeira
why? they gonna put him against the wall?
Do you think they're trying to walk the line of indicting him without validating the intel that the US had knowledge that the Ukraine planned to attack NS1&2 or they just don't give a shit that NATO is in a proxy war with Russia because Russia's enemy, a non-NATO nation, attacked NATO?
if there was a way to chuckle w/o text it would be appropriate here
Yeah, of all the Civil War, 80 yrs. war, WWI, WOT, WWIII narratives, WWII and its "Racial supremacist bent on world domination." narrative is the best narrative.
>>States that implemented abortion bans post-Dobbs have seen almost 94,000 fewer abortions between July 2022 and March 2023.
fuck yeah. go babies.
You're assuming the abortions didn't happen. All the statistic says is that the abortions didn't happen within those states.
bro if it was 93,999 down and only one not aborted I would still be all fuck yeah. life rocks.
What if that one grows up to be a progressive, transgender, supporter of open borders or gun control? Still celebrating their life?
I think dill would be consistent. Like you are with your idiocy.
It’s only you on the left who cheers the death of those you disagree with politically.
But you are saying a lot of the quiet parts out loud today. So good on you for that.
It probably didn't even occur to you that rather than get pregnant, suffer a lifestyle crisis, and resolve it with a murder, 94,000 women simply exercised some agency and chose to use contraception did it? You patriarchal, anti-feminist bigot.
But seriously, given the last several years, and ENB and women like her's general grasp of, The Science I'm going to wait to be sure that the same States didn't also experience a boom of 94,000 ectopic pregnancies before breaking out the party hats.
Mission Accomplished banner on wall.
The first three people to contract COVID-19 were scientists working at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), claims a new report…The report…names Ben Hu, Yu Ping, and Yan Zhu as "three of the earliest people to become
While I would have put money on a lab leak from day one, and have only seen more confirmation since, “The first three” and “three of the earliest” are not the same thing.
So now what? Does the ass cancer of the planet that is the CCP get held accountable? Does the anal fissure of the planet that is Fauci get an episiotomy?
A lot depends on how well the Chinese government is able to prevent the Chinese people from finding out about it.
It's funny how you think the Chinese people will care or even be allowed to care. It's also funny how much you are grasping at this narrative to deflect from your blatant partisan absurdity.
>>Texas bans transgender women from college sports.
Ricky Williams was known to wear dresses.
Did he every steal luggage?
Not on the coach's time, though.
"The report's authors spoke with multiple sources inside the U.S. government who provided the information."
What worries me about reports like this is that it has become impossible lately to evaluate the veracity of sources. Just like "deep fake" technology has made it increasingly difficult to evaluate images and video evidence, the deep state has proven itself increasingly adept at fabricating disinformation - or outright lies - to suit the government narrative of the moment. A couple of years ago the official narrative was almost diametrically opposed to the current one; and not coincidentally at about the same time as detente with the Chicoms is taking a dive. The drumbeat in the media is relentless and the sudden shifts can cause logical whiplash.
Huh. I guess the Lab Scientists were hungry from all their hard work, and went to the "Wet Market" (CIA-created term) to get some tasty raw meat for lunch.
it's racist to imagine that this virus leaked from a high tech lab run by chinese scientists but it's NOT racist to believe it was spread by a bunch of barbarians eating raw bats in an open food market down the street.
I mean, c’mon. Fucking Rice Niggers are gonna Rice Nigger.
They’re obviously not capable of SCIENCE. Don’t be daft.
Thinking they could possibly be capable of science is RAYCISS!
"The findings have not yet been confirmed by other journalists.."
Here's Robby bleating the state media line. What other journalists do you expect to confirm this Robby? They've spent the last three years running interference, now you expect them to come clean? Give me a fucking break.
They also haven't confirmed their role in knowingly pushing the Russian collusion hoax. I'm sure they'll fess up and apologize any day now.
They're still waiting for the COVID amnesty they beg-demanded. How can you expect them to fess up and own the things they knowingly did when a hostile populace can't even forgive them for the things they accidentally did? Baby steps. Quid pro quo.
He made a factual statement. The story has not been independently confirmed.
It’s so weird when someone here goes off on a rant spurred by someone else stating a fact. Even more ironic when the person’s handle has “truth” in it.
By 'independently' you mean the White House or Fauci, right?
Only government officials tell the truth.
If I had to guess who would be doing this risky virus research and most at risk of getting accidentally infected, it would be him.
We're three years away from evidence that it wasn't an accident.
If the names of the 3 sick WIV scientists had been made public in May 2020, I doubt that many in the scientific community and the media would have spent the last three years raving about a raccoon dog or pangolin in a wet market.
The past three years have shown journalists and scientists to be open minded and communicate facts and not at all be captured by money or ideology.
Air Force officials caught Airman Teixeira taking notes and conducting deep-dive searches for classified material months before he was charged with leaking a vast trove of government secrets, but did not remove him from his job...
Why do I get the feeling this guy is a patsy.
Legal experts and lawmakers have questioned whether AI-created works would qualify for legal immunity under Section 230...
Just like Capone being brought down on taxes, Skynet will be stopped with copyright violations.
States that implemented abortion bans post-Dobbs have seen almost 94,000 fewer abortions between July 2022 and March 2023.
Those poor people, all forced to be born into possibly less-that-ideal circumstances.
Conservatives are seeking Muslim support on social issues and wokeness.
Only Nixon could go to China, and only one protected group can move Democrats off of another protected group.
Texas bans transgender women from college sports.
They can't compete with their birth gender groups? They can't even form their own leagues? Jeez, Texas.
Chinese leaders are worried about slow economic growth.
It was all worth it to accomplish whatever it was Wuhan accomplished for them.
You wake up like way too early. It's Saturday, have a mimosa and a bacon omelette.
Yeah all we need is other "journalists" to "confirm", and then Robby will feel more confident. Lmfao. What a clown show
Please Read and Understand this RNA code
T403R RATG13
Spike protein chimera shift to enable it to enter the ACE-2 receptor !
Hillary Clinton arguably violated the Espionage Act by improperly copying, removing and retaining classified information on a non-secure server ... one that was also hacked.
Trying Teixeira for committing the same sin could help to focus attention on the Espionage Act's major flaw: it confuses actual acts of espionage or treason with stupid acts of mishandling classified documents.
And Russia, Russia, Russia.
The claim "Texas bans transgender women from college sports" is inaccurate for the reason you stated. "Texas bans men from playing on college women's teams," on the other hand, is 100% accurate. Isn't accuracy an important goal in journalism?