Will 2024 Bring the Return of the Neocons?
The GOP nominee can forge a humbler path on foreign policy—or turn back to failed neoconservatism.
The 2024 Republican presidential primary has largely been framed as a referendum on former President Donald Trump. He's expected to face at least half a dozen serious rivals, with one possible contender, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, sometimes—but not always—outpolling him in head-to-head matchups.
But Trump's fate isn't the only big question this primary could settle for Republicans. Arguably more important is the future of the party's foreign policy. No consensus has emerged since Trump's surprise 2016 victory, the drawdown of America's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the turn toward great power conflict, which was accelerated in 2022 by Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the pattern of reciprocal provocations around Taiwan by Beijing and Washington.
Two decades ago, the Republican perspective on military engagement abroad was unified and clear. Then-President George W. Bush had come to office promising a "humble" foreign policy, saying during the 2000 campaign that he was "not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say, 'This is the way it's got to be.'" But in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, he swiftly dropped the humility talk to govern as if, in fact, that were exactly the United States' role.
Neoconservatism—or at least an interventionist mindset contiguous with longstanding right-wing assumptions about the American prerogative to serve as a virtuous hyperpower—became the prevailing stance. In his 2002 State of the Union address, Bush named Iran, Iraq, North Korea, "and their terrorist allies" as a new "axis of evil."
At that point U.S. boots were on the ground in Afghanistan already, and soon the U.S. would invade Iraq as well. The global war on terror was underway, understood to be a project unbounded by chronological or geographic limits. There was a real optimism about the United States' ability to militarily dominate distant societies and remake them in our democratic image. Iraq, recall, would be a "cakewalk," advocates of the invasion told us at the time.
With the added insight of 20-odd years, such optimism is hard to come by even in Republican circles. Then-Rep. Ron Paul's opposition to the post-9/11 wars failed to win over most GOP voters in 2008 and 2012, but in 2016 Trump found a receptive audience for his critique of those poorly aging occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Trump's more intellectual supporters praised "his ability to identify America's national interest clearly and pursue it without regard to outdated ideological investments," as Modern Age editor Daniel McCarthy put it in The American Conservative. This proved a generous way of describing a chaotic and contradictory approach to foreign affairs. Trump didn't end any wars—even the exit from Afghanistan his administration sought was left incomplete when he exited the Oval Office—and his diplomatic achievements were far more discussed than realized.
Thus, Republicans come to the 2024 race as a party without a dominant foreign policy. The pre-Trump GOP establishment, with its neoconservative lean, has diminished. Yet a coherent Trumpist approach never fully took root. The party remains at a crossroads on this issue, and the 2024 presidential nominee may become its new navigator for years or generations to come.
The Old Guard
Our first faction will be the most familiar. These are Republicans whose foreign policy is more consonant than not with the interventionist model of the Bush-era GOP. Circumstances are different, but the basic standpoint is about the same: The U.S. is the leader of the free world and has not just the right but the responsibility to guide the international order, including through military intervention.
Members of the old guard "support U.S. overseas bases, foreign-assistance programs, and a strong American military," as George Mason University political scientist Colin Dueck put it in an article for the American Enterprise Institute. "They back the idea that the U.S. stands at the head of an American-led order of partnerships overseas. They are open to working through international organizations and are generally unyielding toward American adversaries. They tend to favor open trading arrangements with U.S. allies."
In the Republican rift over U.S. aid to Ukraine, then, this is the faction eager to keep the guns and dollars flowing east. It is critical of Russia, in continuation of Cold War–era habits and in sharp contrast to Trump, who last year called Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine "pretty smart." China is seen as a rising problem with which America must actively contend to retain worldwide dominance. But Beijing isn't given quite the priority in the hierarchy of foreign threats it tends to receive from Trump and the Republicans attempting to systematize his impulses, nor is the threat from China so often linked to "globalization" and the culture war.
Crucially, the old guard does not join the majority of Americans in regretting the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Some may venture a few tactical criticisms, but more often their reflections on the post-9/11 years blame a lack of "resolve" or "credibility" or "commitment to victory." The U.S. failed in the Middle East, in this telling, not because our projects of regime change, nation building, and long-term asymmetric warfare were doomed from the beginning, but because we did not try hard enough to win, did not spend enough money, did not surge in enough troops.
Though rather sprightly by the standards of American gerontocracy, at 75, Sen. Mitt Romney (R–Utah) seems unlikely to reprise his 2012 campaign. But if he did, he'd land in this camp. So would former Sen. Ben Sasse (R–Neb.), who resigned from representing Nebraska to be a university president in Florida, and so would Sen. Marco Rubio (R–Fla.), should he decide to seek the White House again. Sen. Tim Scott (R–S.C.), who has launched a presidential exploratory committee and traveled to early primary states, has a fairly thin foreign policy record. (His 2022 campaign website, for example, featured only domestic topics in its issues section.) Yet details such as his charge that the Biden administration has been too slow and stingy in its aid to Ukraine and his history of opposing U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan suggest he may be best located here, too.
Most likely to represent the old guard on a debate stage in 2024 are former Vice President Mike Pence and former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley. Though both were members of the Trump administration, their foreign policy records aren't really in a Trumpian vein.
Pence is the more characteristically old guard of the two, as observers in venues from National Review to Slate have noted, despite his longer tenure in Trump's retinue. "Pence was a George W. Bush neoconservative in the mid-2000s," the Stimson Center's Emma Ashford recalled at Foreign Policy in 2020. "In fact, he was far more extreme; when he was a congressman, he sponsored a bill that would have prevented Bush from withdrawing any troops from Iraq," she added. "A Pence administration would continue Trump's harsh approach to China and Iran, but probably ramp up tensions again with North Korea and potentially commit more troops to the Middle East."
Pence's expansive vision of American military power was on full display in a commencement speech at West Point in 2019. "It is a virtual certainty that you will fight on a battlefield for America at some point in your life," he told the graduates, launching into a revealingly long list of possible theaters of war: the Middle East, the Korean Peninsula, the Indo-Pacific, Europe, and the Western Hemisphere. A Vice President Pence could envision near-term wars for the United States on nearly every continent. A President Pence, convinced it's Washington's job to restrain evil worldwide, might take those wars from vision to reality.
Haley's foreign policy record, meanwhile, comes largely from her two years as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, a role widely regarded as preparation for her now-launched presidential run. Her 2018 resignation allowed her to escape the Trump administration before its late-stage theatrics and to remain in apparently good stead with much of the old and new guard alike.
Indeed, pursuing a mostly conventional GOP foreign policy without overtly angering Trump became something of a specialty for Haley, who has compared herself to the neoconservative Reagan administration diplomat Jeane Kirkpatrick. "Whenever President Donald Trump says something that veers outside the Republican foreign policy mainstream, you can count on Nikki Haley, his ambassador to the United Nations, to soothe the terrified establishment," Politico foreign affairs correspondent Nahal Toosi wrote in 2017.
She "emerged as the security blanket that Republicans and even some Democrats—not to mention America's allies—can cling to when trying to grasp where the Trump administration stands on global affairs," Toosi continued. "Haley is not only pro-America, pro-Israel, and tough on terrorism—she's also wary of Russia and attuned to human rights concerns. It's pretty much traditional Republicanism, with a glint of neoconservatism."
Other old-guard candidacies may come from two Arkansas politicians, former Gov. Asa Hutchinson and Sen. Tom Cotton. Hutchinson, who has launched a campaign, has argued it is "naïve" to propose decreasing U.S. aid to Ukraine, and he wants to use U.S. "strength [abroad] in the cause of freedom." Formerly an undersecretary of homeland security in the George W. Bush administration, Hutchinson's approach to foreign affairs has been compared to that of Ronald Reagan and George W. himself: He wants the U.S. to "assert global leadership," work closely with allies, and reject what he dubs the "isolationist" posture of the post-Trump Republican Party.
But Hutchinson broke with many others in his party in welcoming refugees from Afghanistan to his state in 2021. And a decade prior, welcoming refugees the Constitution Project's task force on detainee treatment at Guantanamo Bay, which concluded "it is indisputable" that the U.S. engaged in torture at the facility and assigned responsibility for that torture to some of "the nation's highest officials."
Cotton, who favors Ukraine aid, has called the 2007 surge in Iraq Bush's "finest hour." He believes, as he told The Wall Street Journal in 2017, "there is always a military option. That is the case everywhere in the world."
A pal of the neoconservative commentator Bill Kristol, Cotton has argued the U.S. could win a war against Iran in "two strikes," and he regurgitates the Bush-era "kill them there before they kill us here" line verbatim. He is, however, more attentive to China than the average old guarder—in 2021, he issued an 82-page report entitled "Beat China" in which he called for a long-term strategy of "the 'breakup or the gradual mellowing' of the Chinese Communist Party's (CCP) power," directly inspired by Cold War antagonism with the Soviet Union and starting with "targeted decoupling" in the economic realm.
The New Guard
Eight years in, the reality of a philosophical Trumpism—not merely an aggregate of the man's own choices but a systematic policy perspective—remains debatable. But that failure of fulfillment is not for lack of trying, especially where military intervention is concerned.
Members of this Trumpist (or, if you prefer to gussy it further, Jacksonian) new guard "favor a robust U.S. military and strong presidential leadership together with aggressive counterterrorism," writes George Mason University's Dueck. "They have no difficulty believing that a dangerous international environment requires a punitive attitude against numerous threats. At the same time, they recoil from global governance projects, multilateral pieties, and extended nation-building missions overseas."
In broad strokes, this group is ambiguous in its stance toward Russia and Ukraine and wary of international alliances that could constrain American options. It takes a dimmer view of the post-9/11 war on terror than the old guard, but not because of principled noninterventionism. On the contrary, the new guard tends to be militaristic and possessed of a patriotism that verges on chauvinism.
The new guard mostly supported bringing U.S. combat missions in Iraq and Afghanistan to a close over the last few years. But that wasn't about being opposed to war; it was just tired of these wars and ready to move on to great power rivalry with Beijing. Countering a rising China—with protectionist economic policies and culture war posturing, but perhaps also with military force—is the new guard's overwhelming concern now.
Fox News host Tucker Carlson is the cable news spokesman for this camp, and Sen. Josh Hawley (R–Mo.), a congressional wunderkind frequently mentioned in the same breath as Cotton, is a prominent representative on the Hill. But the most prominent new guard figure is, naturally, Trump himself. If he wins the GOP nomination again, we can anticipate more of the signature combination of the instincts displayed in the 2019 episode in which Trump authorized a military strike against Iran in the wake of the downing of a U.S. drone but backed off at the last minute. Those instincts will be applied, however, to a new mix of challenges abroad.
In his first term, Trump was often a voice—if not an effective force—for scaling down the American military interventions of which he had wearied, overseeing drawdowns in Syria, Iraq, and Somalia. At the same time, Trump vetoed a drawdown of U.S. involvement in Yemen, while escalating intervention in Venezuela and Nicaragua and increasing drone strikes in Africa.
If he returns to office in 2025, quite possibly on the heels of three years of escalation in U.S.-China tensions over Taiwan, Trump is likely to be much less interested in restraint. A confrontation with China might produce another "endless war," but it could be one Trump would relish.
If Haley is on the new edge of the old guard, former CIA chief and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo—who has signaled interest in campaigning or at least positioning himself as an option for vice president—is on the old edge of the new. As a member of the Trump administration, Pompeo more than many of his colleagues echoed his boss's bombastic rhetoric and defended him to the bitter end. He left office with tweeted boasts of "swagger," a juvenile but accurate summation of his indelicate mode of diplomacy.
Though he paid lip service to "realism, restraint, and respect" as guiding principles in foreign affairs, Pompeo's own foreign policy record shows little of the sort. He has advocated preventive war and forcible regime change in North Korea and is reliably hawkish on Iran, pushing the "maximum pressure" policy and nuclear deal abandonment that together brought U.S.-Iran relations to their present dismal state.
Pompeo is also known for "his support for Guantanamo Bay and the brutal interrogation of terror suspects," as Alex Ward wrote at Vox in 2017, and is more hostile to Moscow than Trump tends to be. He reserves special antagonism for China, and he gives his arguments a culture-war edge by speaking often of "the Chinese Communist Party" rather than "China" or "Beijing."
Entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy, who entered the Republican race in February, has a short policy record across the board. What little he has said about foreign affairs, however, suggests a new guard lean. "The main thing should be the main thing: focus on China," he tweeted shortly after launching his campaign. "China wants the Ukraine war to last as long as possible to deplete Western military capacity before invading Taiwan. It's working: we think we *look* stronger by helping Ukraine, but we actually *become* weaker vs. China."
Ramaswamy has accused Beijing of "violating our sovereignty" with its spy balloons and repeatedly called for military intervention in Mexico, in the style of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, to wage the drug war. He would "limit any further funding or support to Ukraine," he told Carlson, and would scale down the overall U.S. commitment to European security. As for the Mideast, he argued in 2021 that the Taliban's takeover in Afghanistan was a problem of American " wokeness" and that the U.S. only should have withdrawn with "a credible threat…to completely decimate the Taliban if the latter reneged on its prior agreements"—that is, with a plan to return.
The Oddballs
Dueck's analysis of GOP foreign policy factions included a third category, but it's a category which may go unrepresented in the 2024 lineup: noninterventionists. The only remotely plausible candidate in this vein, so far, is Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.), who sometimes sounds like the new guard but remains far more skeptical of military intervention. Paul is also willing to break ranks on issues like Yemen and China, arguing against saber rattling at Beijing in 2022 while other Republicans couldn't rattle hard enough. "Abandoning that policy [strategic ambiguity about Taiwan] in favor of strategic clarity discards a successful strategy for a reckless one that makes war [with China] more likely, not less," Paul warned.
"Saudi Arabia's air and naval blockade of Yemen is an abomination," Paul wrote in 2021, introducing "legislation to cancel an American arms sale to Saudi Arabia that aids and abets the subjugation of the Yemeni people." He has also written against sacrificing U.S. troops "in every war on the planet, even when the call for war is sought by fellow aspirants for liberty," an argument made in the context of the war in Ukraine but clearly applicable to Taiwan as well.
Yet Paul, who reportedly guided Trump in a less bellicose direction on Iraq and Syria and may wish to remain in that sort of advisory role, seems unlikely to run for president again in 2024.
Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of former National Security Advisor John Bolton.
Bolton is a hawk's hawk, maybe the one declared presidential contender of whom Trump could say, honestly and without qualification, "I'm the one that tempers him." He's known for admitting to plotting covert coups (including an unsuccessful effort in Venezuela), for arguing for a preemptive attack on a nuclear North Korea, for wanting to bomb just about everything.
He is, as The New Yorker put it in the most neutral description imaginable, "the Republican Party's most militant foreign-policy thinker—an advocate of aggressive force who ridicules anyone who disagrees." Or more vividly, as Seth Harp wrote in Rolling Stone, "a war criminal, a man better described as a black-pilled, death-worshipping ghoul drenched in the blood of Muslim children than compared to an elegant specimen of the family Accipitridae." And he said in early January that he just might want to be president.
The Bridge?
A Bolton candidacy is a long shot on grounds of the mustache alone—America hasn't elected a president with facial hair in more than a century—but his all-purpose aggression is also out of line with much of the Republican base. Recent polling suggests the average GOP voter is far from anti-war but closer to the new guard than the old, let alone to someone like Bolton.
Republican voters increasingly want to focus on domestic problems instead of pursuing an activist foreign policy. Their top three foreign policy priorities, per Morning Consult numbers from January 2023, are immigration, terrorism, and drug trafficking—all about as domestic as foreign affairs can get. The same data set reports that seven in 10 Republicans want U.S. global engagement, including military intervention, to stay at current levels (28 percent) or decrease (45 percent). Only 15 percent want it to rise.
No single policy issue will decide the GOP's 2024 primary, of course—not even one as important and central to presidential power as foreign affairs. Still, if current voter trends hold, the candidate best positioned to herd the Republican Party to a new foreign policy may well be one who can lead the new guard without alienating the old. And though it's too early to make any confident predictions, at this stage that sounds an awful lot like Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.
Though best known for helming the state government in Tallahassee, DeSantis spent nearly six years in the U.S. House of Representatives, building the foreign policy record many governors lack. He also served as a legal officer at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp in 2006 and in Iraq in 2007. That history, plus his more recent culture war battles and commentary on Russia and China, would allow him to straddle old and new.
On the old guard side of the balance sheet: DeSantis has been doggedly anti-Iran, outdoing Trump in his haste to demolish the nuclear deal and insisting, over and over during his congressional tenure, that Tehran is a major threat to the U.S., an "enemy of our country" and "terror state" with whom "we do not share any interests." (Not even peace?)
DeSantis has recently followed Paul and new guarders in pushing for boundaries and accountability for U.S. aid to Ukraine, opposing a "blank check" to Kyiv and a great power "proxy war" over the Crimean Peninsula. In a March statement to Carlson, he said "becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not" a "vital national interest" and opposed any U.S. aid to Kyiv "that could require the deployment of American troops or enable Ukraine to engage in offensive operations beyond its borders."
Despite the moral equivocation in his "territorial dispute" phrasing (which he later walked back), DeSantis is also markedly more negative toward Russia than Trump is, criticizing the invasion of Ukraine and accusing Moscow of attempting "nefarious…espionage or influence operations" in Florida. He has dismissed Putin, whose strength Trump openly admires, as an "authoritarian gas station attendant."
DeSantis hasn't repudiated the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan—in fact, he has barely commented on these wars at all. What little he has said of the post-9/11 conflicts could place him in either camp: Americans aren't "war weary," he claimed in 2014, only "weary of missions launched without a coherent strategy and are sick of seeing engagements that produce inconclusive results rather than clear-cut victory."
On China, however, DeSantis has a noticeably newer feel. He speaks of U.S.-China relations in ideological terms, describing the "Communist Party of China…worming its way" into America and linking Chinese communism to "woke corporations."
"I don't see how anyone could've lived through the last year and a half and not come to the conclusion that there's something fundamentally wrong with how [Beijing] is influencing so many institutions and industries around the world," DeSantis said in summer 2021. "There is no single entity that exercises a more pervasive nefarious influence across a wide range of American industries and institutions than the Communist Party of China."
A DeSantis administration, without doubt, would make opposition to China the centerpiece of its international engagement. And that prospect, coupled with a foreign policy record that would fit as comfortably within GOP norms in 2004 as in 2024, may be precisely what Republican voters want. After a scrambled decade—and despite real shifts on matters including nation building, alliances, and regional focus—the new consensus might look a lot like the old one.
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his diplomatic achievements were far more discussed than realized.
Um, Abraham accords ring a bell?
Never happened.
I have no idea how long the discussion back and forth about whether Tel Aviv or Jerusalem was the capitol of Israel went on. I know when the conversation ended.
Foreign countries recognizing each other have nothing to do with the US.
They did in 1918, when Anatasia screamed in vain, and again in 1936. It was just easier to pretend otherwise back then. In 1962, not so easy...
"They did in 1918, when Anatasia screamed in vain"
Not just obtuse but pretentious.
Also more accurate than 'free minds and free msrkets.'
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"Free minders and free merkins"
Please explain to me how bribing a few Arab countries into nominally playing nice with Israel did anything to advance American interests.
"Fox News host Tucker Carlson is the cable news spokesman for this camp"
Not anymore. 😛
But on the larger topic of "the return of the neocons"? They didn't exactly go away. They're just Democrats now. They want the same thing Koch-funded libertarians want: a pro-Iraq-War, establishment Democrat in the White House. Not terribly surprising if you recall Reason.com's editor in chief used to work with Bill "Israel First!" Kristol at The Weekly Standard.
The GOP can still get the old gang back together. Jeb can call Dick and Bolton and relive the glory days of 2001-2009. Cotton can replace Rummy at defense. Lindy Graham as Sec of State. Condi back at Nat Sec.
The old Bush charm will always delight the GOP faithful.
Dubya may even want a piece.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
You're saying put Turd Blossom on it?
Finally something intelligible out of your Tenderloin hole.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Shrike, you’re a pedophile. Why you keep coming to a site where everyone knows that is a mystery. Do you understand that the moment there is an opening that, you will be doxxed?
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I’m not sure he cares. He probably thinks his protectors will keep him from harm. He gets his fifty cents, spouts their garbage, and thinks they’ll save him in the end. They won’t. Push to shove, they’ll hang his ass out to dry.
He won’t have a seat at the table. He will be on the menu.
You repeatedly guaranteed Jeb would win the 2016 Republican nomination. Nobody takes you seriously.
I get it though. It upsets you that everyone now realizes your opposition to the neocons never had anything to do with their warmongering. It had everything to do with the fact that 10 to 20 years ago they were more comfortable in the GOP, which you hate for unrelated reasons (mainly abortion).
#AbortionAboveAll
40% of the abortions overall, now the largest single group getting abortions, are blacks.
BP is a good ol dixie democrat who can't stand an uppity black mouthing off to him. Its no surprise abortion is the most important thing, its keeping their numbers down.
Oh look, another post of him shitting on Herschel...literally the only place I even hear about him is from buttplug. I wonder why Herschel makes him so mad...
#skincoloraboveall
When Buttplug admitted he wasn't bothered in the slightest by Fetterman, a white Democrat with an obviously more damaged brain than Walker's, and who actually won his Senate race?
That must be in the top 5 credibility-torching displays of partisan hackery I've ever seen on this site.
#GodHasASickSenseOfHumor
Shrike is racist. Although I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t hesitate to sodomize a little black boy, if one was available to him.
Margret Stenger smiles and asks how do we get that to 100%
Sanger.
Wow, I guess the white slave-owner rapists just can't stay out of the darkie quarters.
Welcome to the Masked Puppetariat, where mystical Obama Bin Laden impersonators morph into fugitive-slave-catching female impersonators without changing a single spot. Is there nothing a Reason-supplied anonymizing Klan masque WON'T disguise? Ask Cleavon Little or Dave Chappelle.
"female impersonators"
I can't be a real woman because I don't obsess about abortion as much as this terribly programmed abortion spam-bot? I'll try to do better. 🙂
* cracks knuckles *
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I CANT GO 5 MINUTES WITHOUT BRINGING UP ABORTION
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That was entertaining. Cheers.
Stanning for ham leaves me cold and cramped. The two fisted taint tango twists tinglingly through the trees. A Siamese slam-dunk superstar screams for Sheilas. A razzle-dazzle to tum-tummy-rumdinkums.
Buttplug is pretty easy to understand. He's got that elitist white liberal mindset that puts groups into monoliths, and he demands the monoliths that owe the DNC fealty bend the godamn knee.
Blacks? We will sufficiently pander to you and shout DEI, equity, and reparations to the heavens, in exchange, you will vote blue no matter who as blue policies continue to ravage your neighborhoods and young people, and if you dare question it, you will get the Uncle Thomas / Hershel treatment, and we will go scorched earth on your uppity black ass. Stay on the plantation or else.
Women? I heard you like abortion, so here's an abortion, inside an abortion, to go along with your abortion! Its the best right? Ya WOMENS RIGHTS! You must like abortion, otherwise you hate women, you aren't a real woman / ally, and you must be a sexist bigot
Hispanics? Immigration! You all love immigration right? You are a caricature and its the only possible thing you could care about, because you probably came over illegally and want your pals to come too right?
Trans people? The best and most virtuous! Its so so great, everyone is the happiest, and they are wonderfully satisfied cheery people. If you detransition?...you are subhuman scum, and we dont need or want to hear from you, you are no longer a person to them.
The elite white liberal's avatar is Nancy Pelosi. Rich, in a gated community, and will wear the pussy hat, the kente cloth, take the knee, and will give lip service to every BIPOC / LGBTQ cause from the podium...but you better fucking keep her and her friends in power, and think/vote/act the way she says, or under the bus you go.
You described a progressive. I have ZERO progressive views. But I do know that lying about me is the only way you conservatives can attack me.
You’re a pedophile. So you support them. Supporting pedos is a progressive view. You also support Soros, who regularly supports progs. Like all those criminals he installed as DA’s in democrat cities.
Dubya Waffen, he of prohibitionist asset forfeiture and girl-bullying for Jesus fame, wore out his welcome after voters another round of Black Satan--with an egg in each mug--rather than Thud Blight flavored Canadian-style by Long Dong et alii. If it weren't for the Afd-financed Alabammy Anschluss putting the LP in the same anarcho-fascist camp as God's Own Pussy-grabbers, the next elections could beckon with perhaps 5 million pro-choice libertarian spoiler votes.
The Lightbringer's aerial swords of justice smiting the Aleppo anarchist and the Tripoli tyrant however, showed the Devil's own fetus eaters that salvation comes from an American scud.
Babbling back at Hank is fun, you guys should try it too.
I don’t like to let my mind go to places like that.
That’s not cool man, you shouldn’t mock people with Dementia.
But what about the Corn Laws, Hank?
Was about to say. Neocons never left. They formed groups like the Lincoln Projecy and demand all democrats gain power so they can once again become loyal opposition as a pretend form of opposition. See shrike and sarc.
It is also weird for Reason to ask this question as the only "conservatives" they link to are neocons, like David French.
Given the neocon topic, I thought that Buttplug might give this thread a miss, but I was wrong.
Sarc has stayed out. Yesterday was rough for him though.
He’s still hiding from me. I doubt Sarc will ever man up. He really is the epitome of the loudmouth drunk pussy.
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Exactly, the fact that the author doesn't know this proves how far reason has fallen. The writers are such retarded moronic simps I read until I hit a compleatly idiodic sentance then skip to the comments. I only had to read the headline this time
Why are we ignoring the current administration? Is there anything not "neocon" about our current administration?
Too dreamy.
They aren’t Republicans?
It’s like y’all don’t even partisan.
That photo montage above the article - how many of those guys are neocons? I would say approximately 2 of the 7.
Hush. Reason is pushing a narrative. Facts are racist.
And W isn't likely to run again.
Worse yet, nobody takes what he has to say seriously.
Seriously. How the fuck is Trump neocon? They were his mortal enemies.
He’s not,p, and this is a typical bullshit Reason article.
Well that's the problem with this article in general. It has a Boogey Man (the Neo-Con) and now that they are rather marginalized and fragmented in the Republican Party, they need to find a new way to pigeonhole the rest of the Republican Party into some replacement boogeyman.
Ms Kristian does her best to mush all these disparate people together into one group, which she calls the "New Guard". One might wonder how useful it is for a third party, like a libertarian, to cram a bunch of Non-Neo-Cons into a single group. Kristian herself has a hard time ascribing a consistent ethos to unite them.
If you haven't read the article, at least read these bizarre paragraphs describing the so called, New Guard:
"In broad strokes, this group is ambiguous in its stance toward Russia and Ukraine and wary of international alliances that could constrain American options. It takes a dimmer view of the post-9/11 war on terror than the old guard, but not because of principled noninterventionism. On the contrary, the new guard tends to be militaristic and possessed of a patriotism that verges on chauvinism.
The new guard mostly supported bringing U.S. combat missions in Iraq and Afghanistan to a close over the last few years. But that wasn't about being opposed to war; it was just tired of these wars and ready to move on to great power rivalry with Beijing. Countering a rising China—with protectionist economic policies and culture war posturing, but perhaps also with military force—is the new guard's overwhelming concern now."
Those two paragraphs pretty much explain why it is so important to collectivize all the Non-Neocons into one big amalgam. The simple fact is that there is no single ethos or philosophy that defines these people. There is no united "New Guard". It is a bunch of individuals who have varying positions based on various premises. And rather than really address each one individually, it is better to explain to Reason Readers that they aren't worth your time. Why, even if they don't like *actual* shooting war in Ukraine, some also speak (truthful) bad things about China, so we should probably look side-eyed at the lot.
The whole article ends with this convoluted statement:
"A DeSantis administration, without doubt, would make opposition to China the centerpiece of its international engagement...After a scrambled decade—and despite real shifts on matters including nation building, alliances, and regional focus—the new consensus might look a lot like the old one"
I'm calling shenanigans here. Nation building, alliances and regional focus are pretty much half if not more of foreign policy. So are we really different from Neo-Cons here or not?
And that is what is so silly about this article. Libertarians finally have GOP representatives who, despite their other many faults, are uninterested in starting new wars. Trump was the first president in my life who didn't invade or send troops into another country to fight. And many of the rising stars carry on that perspective.
The rest of this article is full of the smoke and mirrors that general collectivism brings. Don't trust THIS guy because he is similar to other people who have done other stuff. Even if this person advocated for good policies, they've said mean (and true) things about China, so it is all moot.
This article was doomed to be an objectionable mess because the entire premise that you could sum up the Non-Neo-Cons as a single group is insanity.
It reads as if Bonnie were more interested in dissuading libertarians from looking at the current crop of libertarians within the Republican Party than in reporting and editorializing truthfully. One gets the feeling the editors here would rather be the libertine wing of the Democratic Party than either the libertarian wing of the Republican Party or an actual independent Libertarian Party.
The democrats have been clearly neocon since Bill Clinton left office. Hillary is a straight neocon on foreign policy. Biden has not shifted anything. He finished Trumps disengagement from Afghanistan (badly) and that is it. Otherwise... just hand billions to defense contractors to drop bombs in random places. I wonder if they even care where, as long as they keep handing over the cash.
Could we just have them bomb the empty Nevada desert? At least we wouldn't make any *new* enemies.
Silly perlmonger, the Green Industrial Complex already called dibs on that land.
Can we drop bombs on them?
I think we've come up with a real solution here...
"since Bill Clinton left office."
I don't think they ever left. Bill Clinton's soiree into Bosnia wasn't some repudiation of the Neo-Con manifesto. It was all part of the larger foreign policy chess game trying to push Russia off the board.
The Democrats have never really stopped being Wilsonian interventionists. Describing their foreign policy preferences as "neocon" is plain weird.
None of them, actually. The "Neocons", New Conservatives, were a movement of Democrats who jumped to the Republican party over that party not taking the threat of communism seriously. They're mostly dead of old age at this point.
You might as well ask how many of them are Jacobins or Know Nothings.
The Democrats, being the racially and ethnically obsessed bunch they were, assumed that "Neocon" meant Jewish conservative, because a lot of the more conspicuous neocons had been Jewish. And out of their antisemitism, started using it as an epithet.
It's now lost all meaning, really, beyond "hawkish conservative a left-winger doesn't like".
So watch out if he shaves!
What about Sam Britton? He could be on the (D) ticket in a few years.
it's on the short list to head up the cdc
I'm waiting to see if AOC jumps in the race.
It makes no difference who runs, Biden will win even if he drops dead. The last two elections prove it.
Well, she is slightly more intelligent than Harris.
I should run for president, and destroy this trend with my luxurious and manly beard. I've got enough grey in it now to lend me some necessary gravitas.
I'm sure my comments here over the last decade+ won't harm my candidacy...
https://twitter.com/MattBraynard/status/1654905715776012294?t=-k35635FYx8PYOiUo0QAtQ&s=19
Women-In-Firefighting organization holds a woman-only meeting.
They do a controlled burn experiment to show off how they can handle themselves and don't need no man.
Specifically don't allow any men to be present as a display of female empowerment.
It burns out of control and turns into a massive forest fire that's still currently burning.
Media covers this up....
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Yaaaaaas, queens!
Probably a male tree conspiracy.
Another branch of the patriarchy.
There’s a spark of truth to it though.
"Well honey, at least your didnt burn the beer!"
I have an ex girlfriend who could probably burn water. But she had gravity defying tits and a playmate’s vpbody and looks. So that makes up for a lot, plus my cooking is well above average.
Talk about breaking through barriers . . .
Fucking Colorado Democrats are at it again, including that dreamy Reason-Libertarian Governor Polis.
We have a constitutional limit on the amount of revenue the state can collect from income tax each year. When collections exceed the limit, the state is required to issue refunds.
Now when I grew up, I learned that a refund is a return of money to the person who paid it. But like most other words, Democrats have a new definition.
Last year, our state congress and governor dreamed up a new plan. Instead of returning excess tax to the actual tax payers, they issued equal checks to everyone, thus "refunding" money to the people. This was totally not wealth redistribution, and totally not done to influence elections, even though the "refunds" came out in summer, not the following January as was typical.
This year, we have a new "refund" plan. Democrats will monkey with property tax rules, in ways that will proportionally benefit lower income people. They will then make up any net cumulative drop in property tax revenue, and more, by allocating excess state income tax to school districts and other local entities. This is another non-refund that redistributes wealth. And just today, some (D) state reps also want to reprise the equal check "refund" plan from last year.
Are we feeling extra dreamy yet?
ps. Just to keep pushing the woke-socialist Overton window, a Denver city council member has proposed taxing white people and enterprises more. Again, fuck these people.
This sort of convoluted shell game is how you legit break markets. Every If-then and Under-such-shall causes market distortion, and creates voids filled by cronies and waste.
California has done it for years, creating accounts and sub-accounts within its budget, some of which are limited, others mandated, and still others earmarked.
These democrats have been fighting against TABOR for decades. As a kid in the 80's I remember every year when some report from some think tank about the fiscal health of Colorado came out. We would always get dinged for TABOR because it prevented the state from raising necessary funds. But it is clear that it was a boon, and- as usual- democrats are dead set on killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
https://twitter.com/Black_Pilled/status/1654880283240599557?t=_h_AebjFVrlatVoJ1_NtoA&s=19
Look at the replies if you want to know what they want to do to you (and they will the first chance they get - with cooperation of the state).
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Here are summaries of the 16 jurors that convicted the Proud Boys, per @rparloff
The jury foreman, per @rparloff today, is juror #14, a lobbyist for @theAGU
Take a look at this DC jury of PB “peers”
It’s a [100%] lineup of leftists who were already biased vs the defendants
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The whole trial was an abuse of the system. From planting evidence, spying on the defense, forming the theory of implicit conspiracy. Yet the "true libertarians" here applauded along with it. Still surprised Sullum had some reservations even though he missed a ton of the issues.
How Tarrio can be convicted of destruction while not being in D.C. is astounding.
So much evidence was suppressed, including hundreds of text messages that were hidden that the defense found on accident, and the fact that there were at least 32 more informants + undercovers than the government disclosed. The jury didn't get to see the missing text messages include messages that dealt with destruction of evidence.
Well the foreman, a political activist, implied missing texts were evidence of guilt.*
*Does not apply to Hillary emails.
There is no alternative to ending the democrat party and purging them from government. I don’t know why everyone hasn’t come, to this inescapable fact yet.
Factio Democratica delenda est.
Even Sullum thought it was bullshit.
https://twitter.com/thuleanrevenant/status/1655170535699935234?t=BZ98WxDtCZeYsFdH_4evng&s=19
There’s no other way to say this: You are in a civil war, and have been for some time. The mainstream media is the propaganda wing of the Democratic Party and they’re currently mobilizing fringe criminal elements by catering to their grievances and stoking their anger.
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When control is retaken, the MSM should be immediately shut down. They do not engage in journalism and should be given no related protections.
Does that include Fox News, now?
"7th-grade student fights back after school told him to change his ‘There are only two genders’ T-shirt"
https://www.foxnews.com/media/7th-grade-student-fights-back-school-told-him-change-there-are-only-two-genders-shirt
Weird. Sarcasmic tells me that the LGBTQ people are the oppressed witches and the conservatives are the witch-hunting Puritans, yet if you wear a shirt saying "There are 50 genders, and there is no God" you would get celebrated and at a minimum, not punished or sent home, but a shirt with mundane basic science such as "There are only 2 genders" gets you punished and sent home. That's really odd that the witch hunters would go after one of their own and punish a line of thinking that is supposedly aligned with their own viewpoints. Huh. Any thoughts on this sarc?
I wonder what would happen if a teacher were to have a sign in their class that says "Jesus is good" versus the teachers that have 15 BLM/pride/transgender/motherGaia signs in their classroom. I wonder if they would be celebrated the same way for their opinions.
#sarcswitchhunt
#clownshow
Mass shooting at an outlet mall in Allen, Texas yesterday afternoon, my brother Mike, and tReason hasn’t written a word about it. I’m sure it’s because the shooter, described as a male, wasn’t really a male, because trans people are just running around committing shootings all over the place.
The important thing is to blame someone as soon as you can whip up a narrative.
Remember that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
"The important thing is to blame someone as soon as we can whip up a narrative."
You said your quiet bit out loud, Pluggo.
No, I waited until the shooter was identified.
Turns out he was probably one of your ilk - a Neo-Nazi domestic terrorist.
"Turns out he was probably"
Maybe, almost, might be?
Never change, Plugstick.
Just like everybody who questions Democratic authority and pretend libertarians.
Well, maybe he’ll turn out to be a trans neo-Nazi. I hate to see Mike Parsons disappointed.
Watch Laursen memory-hole this post if true.
what's a trans neo nazi?
So a trans woman is the opposite...a man.
So a trans neo nazi is...a jew?
Am I doing trans right?
No, you’re not. Which is surprising for someone who is as obsessed with transgenderism as you are.
The brown face of white supremacy.
"a Neo-Nazi domestic terrorist"
Turns out he was a Mexican American in his early '30's who still lived with his parents, and was kicked out out of the Army due to mental health issues. So close!
A Mexican-American in his early thirties who still lived with his parents --- and had a swastika tattoo. So, yes, very close.
Make a bet with me that it's not covered this week. There are almost no articles on Sunday here, as you know.
Something fun, like if I win you have to tell everyone I, your brother Mike, am a sexual tyrannosaurus and was right. You can pick what I say about you.
No, I’m not going to make a bet. Sometimes Reason mentions mass shootings, sometimes they don’t. I have no way of knowing whether they will mention this one or not.
Cmooooon. Its not for any money or anything. Are you worried they will instantly talk about it, despite their running and hiding from the tranny shooting?
Now they are “running and hiding from the tranny shooting” even though two days ago I met your goalpost of linking to a Reason writer’s referring to Audrey Hale’s mass murder of six people.
My brother Mike, that means they didn’t run and hide from it, so why do you keep up a line of criticism against Reason that has been discredited?
Go get some coffee , little intern.
"even though two days ago I met your goalpost of linking to a Reason writer’s referring to Audrey Hale’s mass murder of six people."
That was never the goalpost, as we have discussed 3 times now?
A one sentence mention that "A shooting happened in nashville" with a link to known left wing DNC propaganda outlet, never addressing anything about it.
"Yesterday there was some civil unrest in Tiananmen square or something, *link from CCP friendly news source*...anyways, lets have a conversation about something broader to keep you from thinking about this specific event too long"
If Desantis farts a little too loud I get a paragraph about it, you know damn well their non-mention wouldn't meet anyones bar for coverage
Lauren is a disingenuous cunt and I have no idea why y'all keep interacting with it.
People pay good money to watch the Globetrotters make fools of the Generals.
But most people don't pay money to *be* the Generals. And no matter how dumb y'all make him look, you're still the ones running around to his tune.
“That was never the goalpost”
So, you are trying to add gaslighting to your goal post moving.
Poor Mike
Ends up being a minority Mikey. Why no description of him. Family requested translators.
Ever wonder why?
WSJ labeled the shooter a white supremacist. Not likely. All mainstream media is corrupt.
Confirmation of media blackout about to happen.
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Allen, Texas mall shooter identified as 33-year-old Mauricio Garcia. More details emerge on the suspect.
Apparently had a gang tattoo also.
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Well Wapo is going for it.
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The gunman who opened fire on an outlet mall in a Dallas suburb Saturday, killing at least eight people, was a man in his early 30s who may have had white supremacist or neo-Nazi beliefs, people familiar with the investigation said Sunday.
They called the Proud Boys a White Supremacy group despite the leader having the last name "Tarrio". I think they're well beyond shame at this point.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Proud_Boy_Jeremy_Bertino_wearing_a_Right_Wing_Death_Squad_%28RWDS%29_patch_in_Raleigh_%282020_Nov%29_%2850658959032%29.jpg
Seriously, Buttplug, long zip-tie. Loop it around your neck and pull tight.
Neo-Nazi shooter wore 'Right Wing Death Squad' emblem.
Definitely one of Fatass Donnie's "finest".
Tranny in Nashville wore a red ballcap. I wonder why she chose that specific color...
She/SXe/ShXer was clearly MAGA
The Washington Post reported authorities believe Garcia may have held neo-Nazi beliefs, as he had a patch on his chest saying RWDS—short for “right wing death squad”—a term popular among white supremacists.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2023/05/07/suspect-identified-in-texas-shooting-that-left-8-victims-dead-heres-what-we-know/?sh=7b6e9f296581
Probably a Unite the Right "tourist" in Charlotteville.
I love that you believe that neo-Nazis are more diverse than antifa.
Trying to parse your thoughts here, damikesc. Are you saying a guy with last name of Garcia couldn't be a neo-Nazi?
The pronoun you’re searching for is “ShIt”.
Very weak effort. Slacking on the weekend?
The WSJ newsroom has gone to shit over the past year.
Not Right-Wing Nut--Job enough for you?
Not RWDS enough for the woodchipper brigade, apparently.
Really? I’m pretty sure I read all of the debate between you and sarcasmic, and I don’t recall him making any statement whatsoever that the left never oppresses anyone.
Perhaps you could link to where he said such a thing?
Well would you look at that. Mike apparently has sarcasmic muted too.
Hi Folks, it's a beautiful Sunday morning for some Troll Action! Overt here, and we're going to walk together through the Liarson Maneuver.
The Liarson Maneuver is a trolling tactic, eponymously named after Mike "Liarson" Laursen who perfected its use. In the Liarson Maneuver, your goal is to distract the poster and readers from their point by carefully constructing a defensible debate point that seems important, but ultimately is not.
The beauty of the Liarson maneuver it that it is a flexible starting move that allows a troll to pivot to multiple rhetorical fallacies as needed. Depending on how the play proceeds, the Troll leaves themselves the option to move to motte and bailey, strawmen, demanding that the poster prove a negative, or even complaining that the poster demands they prove a negative.
As we see in this post, the Troll has identified a situation that looks bad for the Left. That cannot stand. If people continue down this discussion, Mike knows that either lefty supporters will be in the position of defending school administrators infringing the expression of students, or just plain looking bad. On top of that, one of his allies may have to deal with a piece of evidence counter to an argument they were having the other day. Mike can't have that.
So let's lay out the playing field, shall we? This all started when the subject of Salem Witch Trials came up and, Sarcasmic claimed that "Now the Puritans [are the conservatives] going after trannies." People disagreed and said that the label fits better on the Woke crowd, who have been regularly mobilizing authorities to punish the beliefs of Conservatives. During that episode, Sarc attempted to provide no real evidence of "Witch-trial-like" behavior from Conservatives- just vague caricatures of their positions.
So the argument is "Which side better fits the definition of 'Witch-Hunter Puritans'?" Is it a kind of stupid argument with plenty of gray area? Sure it is. But it was the argument started by Sarcasmic and so here we are.
So let's look at Mike's first move in the Liarson Maneuver. "I don’t recall him making any statement whatsoever that the left never oppresses anyone."
Let's set aside how convoluted this double-negative is. That's just a little veteran razzle-dazzle Mike has honed in his years. He is trying to get us arguing about what Sarc said, in order to distract from the main argument. Of course, no one argued that Sarc insisted the Left never does things wrong. What Sarc *did* do was disagree with anyone who said that the Woke Left were the witch-hunters, and attempted to redirect to conservatives and DeSantis.
And that is the point of the Liarson Maneuver. Let's just say Mike is right- Sarc never said the Left "never oppresses anyone." That doesn't change the fact Sarc started with the argument that the Conservatives are the witch-hunter puritans. It doesn't change the fact that he disagreed with anyone who said it was liberals who are the oppressors. So whether Mike is right or not adds nothing to the debate of whether the Right or Left are the "Witch Hunting" oppressors, and whether Sarc was correct or incorrect by singling out Conservatives.
And that is the point of the Liarson Maneuver: to get people myopically focused on irrelevancies so that the broader point is not debated.
Get your wings and nachos ready folks, Laursen is showing us how it is done today!
Even though the Mike Liarson maneuver is simplistic and obvious, I still don't always catch it until someone like Overt lays it out.
Bravo!
And the people on your team who routinely lie about what people say and do, attack strawmen, switch the burden of proof, and otherwise behave with the manners of a goat, will never get a word of criticism from you.
Not.
One.
Word.
Ever.
No, you’ll say they’re the GOAT. Why? Because you’re all about the team. No principles whatsoever.
Hey another you comment which sarc never does! What was inaccurate about overts post?
Sorry you and Mike are so dumb as to not realize nobody buys your shit.
And which team is overt on? Team tired of your and mikes bullshit?
No, No, Sarc. That's not how you do the Liarson Maneuver. This is just straight "whataboutism". Try again.
"will never get a word of criticism from you."
I just want to get the record straight here. I have never lied about you, attacked strawmen, switched the burden of truth, or otherwise behaved with the manners of a goat with you. But I must be on their team because I don't criticize them enough? I mean, I have disagreed with them about DeSantis, Immigration, tariffs and numerous other things. But for some reason I'm on their team because I don't cary the burden of your grievances.
You are starting to sound like those people who say Reason is on Team Blue because they don't criticize democrats enough. You know the ones I'm talking about, right?
To be fair overt, sarc doesn't actually know what those terms actually mean. He mis uses those terms often.
Beautiful, +1, and you managed to trigger Sarc at the same time. Bravo, Overt.
He’s just a Juggalo, and everywhere he goes, no one cares what he’s sayin…
Yep, triggered.
Very triggered. He forgot his drunken democrat ramblings yesterday.
His argument was that the trannies are the oppressed and the people on the right are the oppressors / witch hunters.
Despite daily evidence to the contrary. Dylan Mulvaney racking up multi-million dollar endorsement deals from every company, got a sit down tongue bathing from the POTUS on TV, all for being an adult man who just completed “a year of girlhood”. Youtube channels that call him out are getting demonetized or flat out taken down.
The national/corporate/media policy is that if you are trans, you are brave, wonderful, virtuous, and great. The national/corporate/media policy is also that if you say anything critical of trans ideology, you are a bigot. To compare trans people to modern witches begs one to deny all of easily observable reality, such as the story I linked above.
Anyone critical of “the witches” is punished by society and institutions…if you or I went into work tomorrow and said "transgenderism is a mental health issue, and is not based in reality" we would have a guaranteed trip to see the HR rep, and potentially lose our jobs. Is that what happened to witch hunters in Salem?
He also changes the standards of his argument as Mike freely calls anyone criticizing democeats as trump cultists or conservatives. He uses this attack often. Yet if you dare apply the same standards sarc or himself they claim they are true libertarians just countering conservatives. It is a double standard used to hide their defenses.
Mike thinks he is full of rhetorical tricks and thinks himself clever. The problem is most people here are far more intelligent than him and see through his games.
He even went as far as to pretend he was not White Knight while propping up his own arguments as White Knight.
Mike thinks he is full of rhetorical tricks and thinks himself clever. The problem is most people here are far more intelligent than him and see through his games.
All true.
I believe when I made the exaggeration that the media spent 4 years of non-stop Russia/Mueller/impeachment coverage, brother Mike trounced my point thoroughly, stating that I was incorrect because the media did cover other stories during that time period.
Jeffy was the same way, they try to score a point for a technicality and pretend it negates the entire substance of the argument. Its a very immature form of argumentation, often found on Reddit. Its also very transparent here.
Mike has stated through rhetoric that as long as 1 person somewhere was able to sat something, government wasn't censoring anybody.
I believe I know which conversation you are referring to, and you are almost completing misremembering everything about the conversation: you were saying that the Democratic Congress or the Deep State spent four years doing nothing but pushing Russiagate, and I replied that there were two impeachments over matters that weren’t even related to Russiagate.
It wasn’t a conversation about the media at all. You made that change in the memory altering corner of your mind.
Cite?
"they try to score a point for a technicality and pretend it negates the entire substance of the argument"
Yes, that is the Liarson Maneuver.
Anyone critical of “the witches” is punished by society and institutions…if you or I went into work tomorrow and said “transgenderism is a mental health issue, and is not based in reality” we would have a guaranteed trip to see the HR rep, and potentially lose our jobs.
Accurate.
Start spouting about any political hot potato at work and someone will report you to HR. There's nothing special about transgenderism other than it being the hottest one at the moment.
So... the other day you say highlighting the issues with the trans culture is akin to witch hunts. Yet here you are witch hunter.
And nothing special except.... teachers telling students to not inform parents, indoctrination kids, sterilization of children, cosmetic surgery to remove body parts, sexualizatipn of children... other than that totally run of the mill.
Then it’s not the transgenders who are the oppressed here, it’s those who question them and the policies for them that are the hunted and oppressed. Your original argument was wrong.
So you didn't read the comment below.
I read the comment Friday.
Good. Then post the part where I said the left never oppresses anyone. I’d love to see it. Or you can apologize for being a liar.
Haaaaaa ha ha ha ha! That last part was a joke.
Since you cannot do either, I'm going to call it a day. Have fun with your troll circle-jerk.
Youre doing the same attempt at rhetorical tricks overt called out Mike for.
"Then post the part where I said the left never oppresses anyone."
As we have already ragged on my brother, Mike Laursen, for this, we will kindly repeat for you. No one was making this argument. Its what amounts to a strawman.
I called out your shitty analogy for saying the trannies were the oppressed witches and the religious right were the witch hunters. Me shitting on that argument (which I did, thoroughly) by proving it is the other way around here with the left oppressing anyone who dares question the trannies, does not equal that you said the left never oppresses anyone anywhere.
Sarc: This pen is blue
Me: No, you have it wrong, that pen is clearly red not blue
Mike/sarc: When did sarc say that all pens are blue and they are never red?! huh?! When did he say that?
Everyone: ......ya, no,
You do realize you just made exactly that logical error in the second paragraph of the comment firstly above this one.
You don’t, do you?
“It is the other way around”, you just wrote. Let’s see if you can come up with what is logically flawed about that statement.
"proving it is the other way around *here*...does not equal that you said...*never* "
Again, in case its too hard for your to follow.
Just because sarc is wrong about the pen being blue *here* doesn't mean anyone stated that sarc previously said all pens are *always* blue.
"Sarc said all pens are blue" - the strawman here...no one made this argument or said any such thing. We were discussing a single pen, or you could extrapolate the situation to one grouped box of pens, but no one ever said all pens, everywhere.
LOL, now you are playing games with the way metaphorical items are assigned to groups. “Oh, I didn’t mean the obvious grouping of pens … I was using this non-obvious grouping of pens that suits my purposes!”
Liarson continues to make a fool of himself.
I honestly love how meta we are at this point.
Sarc made a retarded analogy, not based on reality, and we spent a day making fun of that.
Then, in trying to defend sarc for being bad at analogies, you accuse me of making a logical misstep, and while not actually providing anything to back up your claim, then got confused about the analogy referencing you and sarcs dishonest strawman attempts. I guess maybe you and sarc should just skip over either making or trying to understand analogies at all.
Not letting you gaslight your way out of this one, dude. You committed a black-or-white fallacy, plain as day.
"Start spouting about any political hot potato at work and someone will report you to HR."
This is patently untrue. We have documentation of companies forcing people into DEI discussions with political "hot potatoes" such as insisting that people use pronouns or that certain people have "privilege" based solely on their race or ethnicity.
Those aren't being reported to HR. They are being pushed by HR. And objecting to highly contentious positions is punished swiftly. Almost like how puritans pushed their values by using authorities in government and the work place to shun, ostracize and intimidate others.
> “Start spouting about any political hot potato at work and someone will report you to HR.”
Fuck, I *wish* that were true. Then I wouldn’t have to listen to any of the three trannies that are often in my office (only one of them is actually based in the 3 person space, but the other two come by to collaborate) babble about their fuckin’ hormone levels. But if any of them brought the topic up, and *asked* me my position on it, and I answered honestly, no matter how polite I was about it, I’d be going to HR, and I’d probably be out of a job. Which is why my plan, should it ever come up, is “I’d rather not discuss it” and hope I get to keep my position.
OTOH, I suppose "manufacturing them out of guys" is one way to get more "women" in the computer industry.
We had two recent modules at work everyone had to complete. One obesity sensitivity module (with all the microaggressions listed as no-no's) and one gender sensitivity module.
The latter specifically talks about how you should address people's pronouns, how to ask them for their pronouns, and teaches about the many genders (including non-binary). Compelled speech is fine as long as its a private company right? A private company that works with govt and receives govt funds, but its still private right?!
Hell, I can safely state that my paycheck is absolutely made up solely of tax dollars (and yes, I feel bad about it) and I still have to put up with the compelled speech. And I'm not going into any further detail because I don't want some fucknugget collating data points and doxxing me to get me fired for not believing that any amount of cosmetic surgery can *actually* turn a man into a woman.
Goddamnit. And I was perfectly willing to be polite and even go along with the fiction ten years ago, until it became a case of "do it or die" at gunpoint compelled speech.
Depends on what you mean by "fine".
"Fine", as in whether, according to libertarianism, it should be legal for a company to tell its employees how they want them to communicate as part of the job?
Or "fine", as in nobody should be criticizing the company because they are on the moral high ground?
"OTOH, I suppose “manufacturing them out of guys” is one way to get more “women” in the computer industry."
That's certainly a quicker route than waiting for the women to get good at math.
Normally I'd feel sorry for someone stuck in corporate wokeness training. In your case, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy, my brother Mike, and I am laughing my ass off.
I dont appreciate you laughing at my suffering. That's sadistic brother
Want me to stop laughing at your suffering throughly corporate wokeness training? Stop being a jerk.
His argument was that the trannies are the oppressed and the people on the right are the oppressors / witch hunters.
In the context of DeSantis, Florida and Disney, yes. I was specifically thinking of Puritans as Christian conservatives going after things they feel to be scary or icky.
In the larger context, you are right. Sort of. If we went back twenty years the same argument was happening over gays and gay marriage. It’s the same argument, same Puritanical pushback, and in twenty years it won’t even be a conversation.
One thing I have not done is given my personal opinion on the topic, so anything you or the trolls say about what I think is just an attempt to goad me into responding to something I never said nor did. Homie don’t play dat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QhuBIkPXn0
1995 - "Love is love, we just want acceptance"
2005 - "We're just looking for equality"
2013 - "Bake the cake or get sued, bigot"
2018 - "Say my pronouns or lose your job"
2021 - "You're kids will watch transsexual strip shows and you'll like it"
2023 - "Misgender me and go to jail"
Sarcasmic - "I was specifically thinking of Puritans as Christian conservatives going after things they feel to be scary or icky."
There they go.
And there you go again.
You auditioning for Whitesnake?
Man you are full of shit Mike. How do you live with yourself being so full of it? Do you lie to yourself as well?
You know he does. It has to be the only thing that keeps him from suicide.
I’m pretty sure I read all of the debate between you and sarcasmic, and I don’t recall him making any statement whatsoever that the left never oppresses anyone.
That's because I didn't.
Just defended it and attacked those against the trans indoctrination of kids for a dozen posts.
Just like you didn't support mask/vaccine mandates but spent dozens of posts attacking those against mandates.
Just like you didnt support lockdowns, you just attacked those against lockdowns.
Just like you didnt support Australian covid camps, you just attacked those against those camps.
Very few people here are dumber than you Sarc. Youre trying to be cute rhetorically but it is obvious what side you fall on. On dozens of topics. I didnt even bring up J6, see you avoided the sullum article since you were ranting the 2 days prior on how great it was.
It would be very uncharacteristic of you if you had made such a statement.
It would be very uncharacteristic for people in the comments to NOT accuse me of making such a statement as their defense against a statement I actually made.
Alcohol induced amnesia must be a bitch.
I never once said that the left doesn’t oppress people.
But that’s ok. I would never expect you to read what I say when it goes against the narrative. You wouldn’t want your troll buddies to cast you out of the tribe.
Jesus fuck. You and Mike really think this bullshit works despite you calling everyone conservatives despite not stating any support. But based on their criticism of the left.
When you attack those constantly against something it is in fact support for the thing. Youre defending against criticism of the subject at hand. It doesn’t require explicit consent of said act.
You two are fully dumbasses. Jeff has done this for years as well. Instead of having an intellectual discussion of a topic you attempt these attempts at rhetoric.
And criticism of a policy can be done exclusively in isolation of a party. For example when those you called cultists criticized trump policies. Constantly attack all criticism of a topic is actually support of said topic unless you make a valid point against some criticism. But you didn’t do that here. You called those critical of gender affirming care witch hunters. You aren't defending said policy on any grounds but claiming those who are doing so to have political motives, an example of ad hominem.
Literally nobody claimed that you did, at least in context of the silly conservatives are modern day witch hunters conversation.
Article summary... Judge Trump by his words not his actions.
Oh you mean vote like a Demonrat?
All fuzzy warm talk while they rob and dictate the living tar out of us?
https://twitter.com/RobertPLewis/status/1654901091119792128?t=UVcREpSbDemAiknx86mWpg&s=19
Take the 15 mins to listen to Texas AG Ken Paxton talk about voter fraud.
Realize just how bad things are when the AG of one of the largest states in the nation admits:
1. Voting laws don't matter in some courts
2. Voter fraud was highly organized (and funded)...
3. He saw the voter fraud coming and was barely able to stop it (in his state only)
4. Even Trump didn't understand how bad it is
5. Mail in ballots allow them to simply count fraudulent votes until they get the result they want...
6. Soros DAs refuse to uphold the law for political reasons
Also remember that he and other AGs went to SCOTUS, who abjegated their responsibility and refused to even hear the case, despite the AGs having a clear picture of what was going on.
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It's hardly an "admission": it's his own hobby horse.
Even the SCOTUS bitch-slapped him down (I think that's the correct translation for "abjegated", but I'm never entirely sure with these new RightWingDoltSquad terms).
WHERE HERSCHEL? (part two)
Mother's Lament spent last week furiously covering for Herschel claiming the Half Mil HW pocketed for himself was a simple "mistake".
Dennis Washington, a billionaire businessman and friend of Walker’s, believed all of the $600,000 he transferred following a solicitation from Walker was for campaign funding, according to the complaint. But only $64,800 went to Walker’s campaign fundraising committee, while the rest went to HR Talent.
(The Hill)
Nope, old Dumbass really split the money up the way he wanted alleges CREW.
Bottom line - If Clarence Thomas had a son he could be Hershel Walker.
For real.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
What about his penis?
It’s all about the skin color with him.
Did you guys notice Shrike didn’t actually link to the story? That was deliberate.
“A spokesperson for The Washington Corporations told The Hill that it immediately requested and received a refund upon learning that some of the money went to a “non-political account.” They did not specify when the refund happened.
“The Washington organization has no comment other than to clarify that upon discovering that a certain portion of the political contributions went to a non-political account, the Washington’s immediately requested and received a full refund of such funds,” they said.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3990966-watchdog-urges-fec-to-probe-herschel-walker-campaign-over-535200-payment/
So just like last week, Shrike is lying about the story.
1. Washington transferred money to Walker’s company instead of his PAC. 2. It was illegal for Walker to then transfer that money from his company his PAC, so 3. they had Washington send a transfer request and the money was immediately transferred from Walker’s company back to Washington’s corp.
Why is this nothingburger getting pushed by Buttplug and The Hill? Same reasons that they both trafficked in a conspiracy theory about Clarence Thomas’s rental income a few weeks ago. To punish Blacks who left the Democrats reservation.
The Hill article mentions the group behind these phony allegations:
“Citizens for Ethics and Responsibility in Washington (CREW) filed a complaint to the FEC on Friday alleging that Walker and his company, HR Talent, LLC, violated federal election law in accepting $535,200 in donations a donor believed was being directed to Walker’s campaign.”
For those who haven’t already guessed, CREW is a Democratic Party affiliated PAC founded by David Brock (Yes, that David Brock, also founder of Media Matters) that is dedicated to lawfare and harrassment against Republican campaigns and those of the odd Democrat disfavored by the cathedral (Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr).
Their latest mission is targeting black conservatives, and they’re the ones who are also behind the phony Clarence Thomas attacks. Here’s their website: https://www.citizensforethics.org/
Normally I always say read Buttplug’s links because they’re self-refuting, and I guess that’s why he decided not to provide one this time.
It is amazing how financially retarded most leftists are. When someone wires money there is no acceptance. It just transfers. But they are trying to claim the money was accepted to use a firm of lawfare here.
And even if it was "Accepted" it was immediately given back.
But that's unimportant here. The real problem is that this is pure harrassment.
CREW knows that in both their Herschel Walker and Clarence Thomas allegations there's nothing illegal, unethical or even morally wrong in what occurred. CREW also knows nothing can come of their allegations, and they don't care. They're deliberately abusing the system as a weapon.
Buttplug obviously knows all this too, but look at him pretend it's legitimate.
Man, that shows such dishonesty on the part of BP. I usually take what he says with a grain of salt, but apparently that's even too forgiving.
https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1654982136015847424?t=EDmZPWZUhnpCl2Jm1qcDbA&s=19
#1 Between 2011 and 2019, the New York Times and the Washington Post increased their usage of the words "racist," "racists," and "racism" by over 700% and nearly 1,000%, respectively.
#2 In 2011, just 35% of white liberals thought racism in the United States was “a big problem,” according to national polling.
By 2015, this figure had ballooned to 61% and further still to 77% in 2017.
#3 In 2006, 45% of white Democrats and 41% of white Republicans knew someone they considered racist.
By 2015, this increased to 64% for white Democrats but remained 41% for white Republicans.
Notably, the % decreased among black & hispanic Democrats during the same period.
#4 Between 2013 and 2019, the New York Times and the Washington Post increased their usage of the terms "systemic racism," "structural racism," and "institutional racism" by roughly 1,000%.
#5 Between 2013 and 2019, the New York Times and the Washington Post increased their usage of "white privilege" and "racial privilege" by 1,200% and nearly 1,500%, respectively.
#6 "What the data presented here suggests is that editorial decisions made over the past decade at some of the most powerful media outlets in the world about what kind of language to use and what kind of stories merited coverage when it came to race—whatever the intention and level of forethought behind such decisions—has stoked a revival of racial consciousness among their readers.
Intentionally or not, by introducing and then constantly repeating a set of keywords and concepts, publications like The New York Times have helped normalize among their readership the belief that “color” is the defining attribute of other human beings.
For those who adopt this singular focus on race, a racialized view of the world becomes a baseline test of political loyalty...
The same media institutions that have promoted revanchist identitarianism and the radical transformation of American society along racial lines could instead have focused their attention and influence on improving the quality of life for all.
Working to ensure that Americans of any background aren’t unjustly victimized by the police and have access to quality health care, schools, and affordable housing doesn’t require the promotion of a “race-consciousness” that divides society into “oppressed” and “privileged” color categories.
To the contrary, it requires that we de-emphasize these categories and unite in pursuit of common interests.
This may not suit the media’s prerogatives, and it may not appeal to activists whose desire for cultural “recognition” trumps their devotion to material progress, but it does offer the potential benefit of improving the lives of ordinary Americans."
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Remember, skin color is not the most important thing. Marxism is the most important thing. Skin color is just a tactic.
Right. The recent resolution from the CO Educators Association bears this out. Capitalism has got to go BECAUSE it enforces racism.
Racism has emerged from the petrie dish of various class-schisms as the one that will work best in the US. In Europe it was about social class. But here in the US it is about race. Same plot points, just slightly different prose.
If things were run correctly, the members of the board that voted to approve that resolution would be in prison. No one has a right to practice Marxism, amd Marxism has no right to exist.
I'd have to question anybody's capacity to be a teacher who supports Communism as a better means of racial harmony than capitalism.
They support it because they know it will create racial tension, just like 'anti-racism". All of the anti-racist stuff that supposedly is there to fix race issues is designed to drive a wedge between races and worsen relations (so race grifters can keep raking it in). Communism was always about power through class war, CRT and anti-racism are just communism through race rather than class.
Its also no coincidence so many of these race grifters are trained marxists.
Well it works as activists demand 200 million for every black person in California.
You kinda have to give them some props for taking the ball and running with it.
When prompted with "what about 5 million per person", which would be absurd based on so many reasons, their response is "fuck off with that paltry amount, make it 200 million".
If you are going to clown world, might as well fully commit and show up with the big red nose, floppy shoes, and plenty of pies to throw.
They even call that 200 million just the start.
Not that it makes it any better, but the actual number is "only" 1.2 million per.
That was the result of the committee. Look at the demands from the speakers.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/05/07/greedy-activists-demand-200-million-per-person-in-calif-reparations-payments-1356891/
^this is what I thought he was referencing, and I saw yesterday.
I personally think no amount is high enough, when it comes to CA virtue signaling. Nothing would make me happier than Newsom signing a bill that all of the people in CA (that had nothing to do with slavery) have to have their wages garnished to pay a specific group of people (who had nothing to do with slavery) for the purposes of empty virtue signaling. 200 million? shit, make it a billion. Watching the mass exodus from CA would be wonderful.
Meanwhile, FL seeing huge influxes of people while CA loses more. I guess abortion isnt the most important thing to everyone
I wouldn't. They'd come *here* and fuck the place up even more than they already have.
Wow. OK. I stand corrected. WTF.
Like, I can **almost** imagine a slightly sane person thinking they might somehow get the 1.2 mil. But 200 mil, **each** is just... well, I suppose it's perfectly obvious innumeracy, actually.
Damn. Holy fucking shit. "What kind of crack have you been smoking?"
So, not that that number *needs* to have it's premise shat upon more, but where does that fucktard think anyone was *getting* those 40 acres? It sure as hell wasn't in the middle of a developed city. I could see 40 acres of San Francisco or Los Angeles costing 200 million. But 40 acres of West Texas is going to be a hell of a lot less than that, even in today's dollars.
Actually, that seems like a good solution to the issue. Buy all the black people in California 40 acre plots in West Texas, and let them go live there. "Here's your 40 acres. We even included a mule."
Nah, fuck. Even I don't hate Texans that much. Buncha goddamn Californians? They don't deserve that.
"perfectly obvious innumeracy"
They've lowered the standards so many times for equity, that it still amounts to a B+ for a graduating high school senior in CA though.
"2+2 can totally equal 5. And you're a racist if you say otherwise."
The US can’t exist with large populations who believe in that inane shit. They have to go. No more democrat party, no more Marxism.
Why use 2011?
Obama was elected in 2008. That's when I noticed the right's overt racism really kicking (back) into gear.
(Of course, by using 2011, they do capture Hillary's part of it, lol.)
America sets out to slay dragons because we are taught to be good people who abhor violence and slaughter of innocents. Very few would say, for instance, "Let's intervene in Sudan so that Lockheed and the MIC could earn more profits." But an appeal to stop the civil war bloodletting? Well, that's going to sit well with a lot of folks. Same with "We have to protect Taiwan." How, short of nuclear war, can the U.S. use its military to save Taiwan from a serious Chinese military takeover? Our politicians need to focus on protecting individual rights in the U.S.A. (which they are currently doing a poor job of) instead of throwing blood and treasure into foreign interventionist schemes.
My solution for Taiwan is to transplant the industrious liberty-leaning people here, along with their factory tools, and back-fill the island with CCP fans and the NBA.
Y'know, if we combine this with my "homeless people for illegal immigrants" scheme, we could really clean this place up.
You're welcome.
I'll add that anything we can't ship over from Taiwain to here in terms of infrastructure needs to be demoed. Leave the CCP nothing.
Taiwan, like Ukraine, has had plenty of time to abandon looter prohibitionism and add a Second Amendment to its constitution. With such an Amendment in place its government would be well-placed to approach Uncle Sam, Los Alamos, Hanford, Pantex and Dogpatch as a fellow Free State with an order for lightweight fusion warheads as kit for its well-regulated militia. The second advantage is that no looter government would--except in nightmares--dream of attacking them with those in place.
The GeeOhPee purveyors of continuing continental calamity know that the Comstockian concepts lack the Libertarian principles of 1966. Pushing Christofascist Corn Laws can't stop the parade of the damned and the damaged.
Well played.
China would find out how the US military could save Taiwan. And they wouldn't like the answer.
Walter Russell Mead has a much more intelligible model of how Americans have thought of foreign policy for 200+ years. Basically, there are four approaches:
Wilsonian – ideas, values, morals drive what we do.
Jacksonian – military drives what we do and how we discuss it (or decides what can’t be discussed while a war is ongoing).
Hamiltonian – business/trade drives what we do
Jeffersonian – focus on ourselves and let us be an example.
The value of this is it ain’t DeRp bs. Some people are more one than the other but it ain’t some perpetual internal war among Americans as to what to do re the rest of the world.
American foreign policy succeeds when all the different schools are engaged on an issue. It fails when one is dominant. Demonizing one group or the other – rather than dealing with particulars of an issue (say Taiwan) - is a good indicator that we are heading for failure.
https://twitter.com/iheartmindy/status/1654906009704603648?t=hXzLDLASNx-e3E7tFXhvpQ&s=19
Remember the time we caught corrupt Congress members and their FBI goon squad setting up Americans to get arrested for the petty crime of “trespassing” on property their taxes paid for, and who most were let in by the police on video…just so people would be too scared to protest about the election rigging our own government was committing?
Let’s not forget about J6:
• How were they able to find and convict every MAGA granny that walked into the Capitol to take pictures…but not the pipe bomb suspect, the BLM member that showed up with an illegal firearm, or Ray Epps who is the only person on video trying to convince people to go in?
• Why is no one talking about the 3 other protestors the Capitol police killed that day? They gave an older man a medical emergency by shooting flash bangs into the middle of a peaceful crowd, they refused to do CPR on another older gentleman because they were “afraid of covid”, and Officer Lila Morris is seen beating an unconscious Rosanne Boyland in the head to death on video. Then they rewarded Officer Morris with a trip to the Super Bowl and a national shout out for being a “hero.”
• Anyone who’s gone through the footage chronologically can see that the protest was peaceful until Capitol police started shooting flash bangs and tear gas into the middle of the crowd, forcing people to panic and push forward. The main police line actually broke because law enforcement accidentally dropped a can and tear gassed themselves…which is also on video below.
• Why hasn’t the US Constitution applied to anyone arrested at J6? How have they been sitting in jail, in solitary confinement, for years without bail? This is the same city that refused to prosecute any Antifa and BLM rioters that looted and burned buildings in the months previously. Is this supposed to be a fair and equal justice system?
• All we wanted was an audit…why not settle it once and for all with all the bizarre, suspect, and questionable things that happened during the 2020 election? Why not give the people the audit they wanted…unless of course, they couldn’t because they know what it would show? This is the equivalent to winning with a royal flush at poker…and not wanting to show your hand.
• Why did politicians and the media get away with lying? Sicknick was never hit with a fire extinguisher, no cops were killed at all despite the media and Biden saying so…does slander and libel just not apply to these people or something? What about the evidence Congress members faked for the impeachment trial?
J6 is why every good American is afraid to protest the criminals in DC. They were getting ready to go after ANYONE that was there, whether they did something or not. After years of screaming “Russia, Russia, Russia” over a knowingly fake dossier they decided to label anyone who so much as questioned the questionable 2020 election as a “domestic terrorist.” Even I got an at home FBI visit for no reason.
We cannot just “drop” this. This was an insane abuse of power, an egregious manipulation by the state-run mockingbird fake news media, and a desperate attempt to shut down talks and protests about this global crime syndicate we call a government. We have to hold these people responsible, we have to drop truth bombs and comments in every single one of these compromised Deep State puppet’s posts.
They want us to shut up about it…which means we never can, or they’ll just keep doing this shit and getting away with it.
PS. The video is on Bitchute, just hit “continue” to get pass the censors.
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If all this can happen during a Trump Administration, we can just imagine what could happen during another one!
"...Trump didn't end any wars—even the exit from Afghanistan his administration sought was left incomplete when he exited the Oval Office..."
This is what a raging case of TDS looks like. Eat shit and die, Kristian.
What's "deranged" about mentioning that Trump didn't pull the troops out of Afghanistan before he left office? You certainly know that is a true statement, Scato.
I, for one, would welcome a return to the classic Republican Party.
For sure, they are racist, sexist pigs who violate the norms of democracy, ruined our judiciary, and deserve nothing but scorn. Still, they could work across the aisle every now and then. For example: John McCain on campaign finance reform.
At least they never colluded with Russia to steal an election, or tried to violently overthrow our democracy.
You are truly a glass half full kinda guy Earnesto. Bravo sir.
A glass half full of shit.
EC is parody.
My bad.
Lately y I keep mixing up the NYT and the Bee, too.
Now do Democrats.
He did.
"For example: John McCain on campaign finance reform."
hahahahahahaha 😀
I see what you did there. 😀
This is a libertarian publication, dear. John McCain helping add more government laws onto what should be private contributions to campaigns is NOT a good thing.
So what exactly did Johnny the Human Torch do for campaign "finance reform" other than try to invade Vietnam and lick the blacking off of Dicky Nignew's Florshiems?
Swift boat comrades know that RINO sky pilots are the dastardly bit of Johnson's ginned-up jackrabbits.
Never tried to overthrow an election or collude with Russia…
Dude, you basically described the modern Democratic Party. They cheat at elections and attempt to start WWIII.
At least they never colluded with Russia to steal an election, or tried to violently overthrow our democracy.
Which side are you talking about again? The one colluding with Russia to fabricate evidence on their leading opponent? Or the one burning down cities, attacking federal courthouses, and declaring autonomous zones?
Don't worry. If Republicans don't restore neocons to prominence then Democrats will.
They already have.
Reason liberaltarians too. How many times have the Reasonista's given us David French, Bill Kristol and David Frum quotes in the last five years.
Don't forget wapos conservative.
It will never stop being funny that the Democratic Party, whose base pretended to be so outraged at the neocons because of the Iraq War, keeps producing Presidential tickets in which at least one candidate voted for the Iraq War.
Maybe they'll finally break that pattern in 2028?
Obama picked off the anti-Iraq War vote when it was hot 2008-2012.
Voters don't remember things older than eight years old.
All praise the Chocolate Jesus!
Will 2024 bring a return of libertarianism at Reason?
Quit with the hate speech and trigger words.
Like headlines that end in a question mark, the answer is "no".
Won’t be hard since it never left.
The question is whether libertarianism will return to the commentariat.
It’s here, oh white knighter of Democrats. Libertarianism is strikingly lacking in the articles, leadership, management, and editing of Reason.
I know it. They never criticize Democrats. Ever. They only criticize Republicans. They're always pushing for more government, a larger administrative state, and more laws. They oppose free trade, want higher taxes, and more government in our lives. Yep, tReason is definitely leftist. Totes.
Pam’s you never back up your threats, right pussy? Now run away like you always do.
Reason promotes zoning, opposes property rights, and supports business license for everyone including people who braid hair.
I could go on and on about how they're against everything libertarian.
You’re against almost everything libertarian. And you’re a pussy who won’t back up his threats.
Wow, that was a perfectly contradictory mish-mash of "I can beat you in reasoning with I'm an Internet tough guy."
Cite?
"You’re against almost everything libertarian. And you’re a pussy who won’t back up his threats." --just above^^
There you are. Happy to help.
DoJ asks judge for 25 year sentences for the unarmed insurrection.
https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2023/05/07/doj-seeks-25-year-prison-sentence-for-oath-keepers-founder-for-role-in-jan-6-attack-on-u-s-capitol-n742345
Reminder. BLM activists get less than 2 years, all the way to no jail time, for firebombing and arson. Including on government buildings.
And Trump gets prosecuted over a $130,000 payment, while Patrisse Cullors of BLM doesn't face any investigation over misplacing $42 million while she's buying $6 million properties.
Whataboutery aside, I'd be happy to prosecute her, too, if the evidence supports it.
Why is this so hard for you to accept? Do you really think everyone is as hypocritical as you are?
Looks like there is an active lawsuit where the “grassroots arm” of BLM is suing the BLM organization that Cullors is part of, so it’s not even certain there is no investigation of Cullors.
Anyone see Vice Media was bought out by Soros?
You're not allowed to mention that name. Levi's heir Dan Goldman says it's an antisemitic trope.
#OpenSecretsIsANeoNaziDisinformationSite
Ironically BDS is not.
So does that PoS ‘Shawn Dude’.
Bought by one of the world's last living Nazi Party members. That seems about right.
Yep, saw it on Friday. Of course, it triggered Pluggo.
The other black flag against the neocons is their rampant elitism.
The voters will never again rally behind an elitist.
Well... idiot leftists will.
So Bonnie obediently spells Christianofascist N-e-o-c-o-n. That has got to have former Third Reich colonies rolling in "the" aisle. Conservative Dems in 1856 defined conservatism as tender coercive regard for "reclaiming fugitives from service or labor" the Dred Scott way! Welcome to the MAGA Puppetariat, Bonnie.
Around here we call them MAGA Communists, Hank. Didn't Buttplug share the memo?
"we call them MAGA Communists"
I forgot about that gem. LOL. What a mix of cope and projection. Ya, we all believe you guys, that is definitely a thing for sure.
MAGAmmunists, for short.
I'm ok with being an Ammunist
Come to think of it, “Mag Ammunist” *does* have a nice ring to it.
"Yeah, I'm an Ammunist. I attend the Church of John Moses Browning."
God did not make all men equal, Sam Colt did.
I feel like im watching a Hicock 45 video
I find this hilarious. Everyone knows how many democrats are tied to the Atlantic Council. Many of the impeachment members from the State Department were members or former staffers. The left has been highly involved in pursuing corporate and hawkish military since Clinton. But this site rates the AC as center right.
Overall, we rate the Atlantic Council Right-Center Biased based on pro-corporate and hawkish military perspectives. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to mostly proper sourcing and a clean fact check record. (D. Van Zandt 7/6/2016) Updated (03/15/2022)
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/atlantic-council/
They literally describe Bidens, Clinton’s, and Obama views.
"pro-corporate and hawkish military perspectives"
Apparently they didn't see the military adds with the rainbow paint makeover, the DNC/Biden-admin moving in lock step with big pharma, every major corporation bending the knee to BLM and the pride/gender weirdos, Nike making the difficult decision of whether to put out Kaepernick's "the police and whites suck" adds or Dylan Mulvaney "im not a man, im a female-child so I need a sports bra" adds, and a Ukraine flag as the popular virtue signal of the left wing politician/activist, of course with a promise for unlimited support of war over a peace agreement, and unlimited funding of this proxy war.
This is not even to mention how comfortable, conveniently, the neocons have found themselves next to the political left as bed fellows. The left has actually put thought into a fucking Cheney on a democrat presidential ticket.
These people are desperate to keep the veneer of the left being the free speech, anti-war, party for the little guy while they loudly and proudly live in opposition to all of those things.
Thank god they have those fact checkers to gaslight for them to keep Joe Public from believing his lying eyes.
The gaslighting isn't working. Joe Public knows what is going on. Biden will get crushed in the election if the Repubs run someone not named Trump.
It’s nice you believe that.
Is it?
People like CE are, perhaps unintentionally, already running cover for a corrupt rigged election with that narrative, just like they covered the 2020 coup despite the glaring inconsistencies of the result (incumbent adding 20% more support than the previous election he'd won, losing candidate winning 18/19 bellwether counties, statistically impossible post election day vote ratios, PA & GA results diverging so drastically from Ohio and the entire rest of the south, etc).
Their inability to get over their own hatred for Trump then led to them investing legitimacy in the runoff and 2022 elections.
The best part of the narrative now for the totalitarians is it covers every scenario. That's why the media, Reason included, has been working so hard to push the "Trump candidates" lost explanation.
-If Trump is the candidate, he loses because he's so uniquely hated.
-If Trump isn't the candidate after losing a competitive primary, R candidate loses because Trump voters stayed home.
-If Trump loses the primary but then enthusiastically endorses the nominee, R candidate loses because of association with Trump.
There's no level of evidence that people like CE will accept as showing an illegitimate result.
Joe Biden literally said "We have the most extensive and inclusive vote fraud team in the history of American politics" (vote, not voter, fraud...) and followed up by winning an election via numerous statistical impossibilities... and even otherwise sane people still deny that the result was a transparent farce.
They invented a completely fictional story about Trump conspiring with Russia, and devoted the full force of government investigative (and propaganda) power to it.
They turned the flu into "a novel coronavirus" and completely reordered society while eradicating the concept of inherent rights.
They coordinated months of political race rioting that killed dozens and cost billions.
They unilaterally changed electoral procedures and installed a zombie into "the most powerful position" in the world. They even published an article about all our institutions conspiring to dictate the outcome.
And they're going to let themselves just be voted out of power now?
It was a color revolution and coup. They'd been working on it for over a decade (see the post about language use by media above).
Representative government was killed on 11/4/2020.
"Nike making the difficult decision of whether to put out Kaepernick’s “the police and whites suck” adds or Dylan Mulvaney “im not a man, im a female-child so I need a sports bra”
You really need to channel your inner neocon. America's enemies - Russia, China, Iran, India, Saudi Arabia, Brazil and others are getting closer and more powerful. And all you can do is whine about blacks and queers, and revel in your perceived victimhood. There's a lot wrong with the neocons, but at least they aren't blind to the bigger picture.
"You really need to channel your inner neocon. America’s enemies – Russia, China, Iran, India, Saudi Arabia, Brazil and others are getting closer and more powerful... There’s a lot wrong with the neocons, but at least they aren’t blind to the bigger picture."
RUSSIA!!!
Well, at least mtrueman isn't pretending to be libertarian and anti-war anymore.
I'm anti war and I've never pretended to be a Libertarian. I do appreciate their anti-war stance, from the Koch brothers on down. I'm anti-war but the bigger picture isn't. There's always going to be competition between larger states and the US looks set to lose a lot of what it took for granted on the international stage. Bickering over tranny toilets is only going to accelerate America's loss of stature.
He's still pretending to have some level of intelligence, hoping everyone will ignore the evidence.
I don't need to hope you'll ignore the evidence. It's a given.
C'mon, don't be so hard on Scato. He literally gives a shit.
"He would "limit any further funding or support to Ukraine," he told Carlson, and would scale down the overall U.S. commitment to European security."
Is this fitting with the neocon label? I would say that's much more aligned with the populists. The neocons would love nothing more than boots on the ground
Yeah, I've never ever seen a neocon demure on war. Particularly with Russia. Just more TeenReason gaslighting I guess.
Why bother to write stuff like this.
I am getting a little long in the tooth, so I have seen a few turns of the wheel. I don't think there has ever been a time where people (in the US) print such blatenly untrue things.
We even have a fact-check industry that tells us up is down. And nobody even bothers to correct it (on any large platform).
The other day the White House Spokesperson said illegal immigration was down 90% due to the administrations policies.
In real time nobody said a word. A day later fox asked about it and she pretended like they were being dishonest and dramatic, saying she was talking about a particular diversion program for 3 countries... but still declining to cite actual numbers.
And not a single soul in the press room stood up to her. They let Fox get their one question and everyone went along with the charade.
Some folks said Obama signaled a post racial society. And Trump signaled a post facts society.
We are so beyond that we are in a zero Fs to give society... even an outsider libertarian publication can't be bothered to give an F when huge and consequential lies are being told.
Lying without facing consequences is a huge problem.
It's going to get real bloody one way or another.
There is no avoiding this.
https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/1655232284440551425?t=vqNBaKks5ZbN3t-qlnkvMw&s=19
Jordan Neely, a beloved subway performer, grew up in a family of musicians who want him to be remembered as a "human being," a family lawyer said.
[Link]
Id like him to be remembered as a warning not to threaten people in public.
We can shorten it to something like "Fuck around, find out" if that helps the left
I bet his killer will be charged with (at least) manslaughter. There's no evidence that deadly force was warranted.
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1655292354712985600?t=bKfiNqAFgpr-LLT0l6JI9g&s=19
The gunman who opened fire on an outlet mall in a Dallas suburb Saturday, killing at least eight people, was a man in his early 30s who may have had white supremacist or neo-Nazi beliefs, people familiar with the investigation said Sunday.
https://twitter.com/KingsleyCortes/status/1655307952981409794?t=qYFhkAiJyWGuLbhboxcmNg&s=19
The “white supremacist”
[Link]
Must be one of those "White Hispanics" like Zimmerman.
"who may have had white supremacist or neo-Nazi beliefs"
They aren't wrong. He may have had those beliefs. He may have believed he was a chicken. He may have believed OJ didn't do it. He may have believed in reincarnation.
Who can say really? Probably best if we just assume he was a white supremacist then clean it up on page 11 with a retraction if he isnt...actually fuck the retraction, we will just move on to other topics.
- propaganda journo
We shall see. Did he leave a manifesto?
Hitler, after all, had "Aryan supremacist" beliefs, despite possibly having had Jewish and African ancestors (and having very little obviously in common with prototypical Aryans). Magical thinking can be overpowering for some.
"Is this fitting with the neocon label? I would say that’s much more aligned with the populists. "
Yes it is. Since Obama was president, the elite have been talking about the pivot to China, away from Europe and the middle east. It's a good neocon label, even if Trump, Carlson and others are following Obama's pivot to China.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine is deepening divisions within America. Someone like Kissinger would be doing the same against America's enemies.
"...even if Trump, Carlson and others are following Obama’s pivot to China..."
trueman = turd, a post = a lie.
The man is correct for once.
“ Biden Tells MSNBC We Can't Let Obama Run Again”
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Luckily, Libertarian foreign policy is much simpler. We will defend ourselves. Period.
Defend ourselves where, exactly?
I never thought I’d say this, but compared to the rest of the pack, Trump look decidedly less terrible. Like a crunchy three-day-old shit compared to a fresh one stinking up the room.
TRUMP CULTIST!!!!!
This was always the case against Biden you retarded fuck. Facts didnt even change in this case either. Biden executed his presidency as stated by his campaign site. Yet you’ve spent 3 years attacking those who do basic things like read campaign sites as cultists.
You can rightly fuck off now. No amnesty for you.
Your punishment for shreeking about Trump so much is 8 years of POTUS Jeb!
Nice article. The answer is obviously "yes."
The real question is which neocon will Reason praise effusively, before voting reluctantly and strategically to keep President Biden in office for four more years.
The answer is YES, Reason will again reluctantly and strategically endorse and vote to keep President Biden in office for four more years. If is not even a question.
On the other hand even a neocon is better than a Neo-liberal or woke liberal. And Biden is a woke Neo-liberal Democrat.
(Verse 1)
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BlackRock Corporation, here to tell the truth.
They hold the power, the puppet masters of the game,
Controlling money and assets, never feeling shame.
From New York City to every corner of the globe,
BlackRock's reach expands, no limits, they erode.
They pull the strings, manipulating markets with ease,
Creating wealth disparities, bringing nations to their knees.
(Chorus)
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Playing with fortunes, planting wicked seeds.
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(Verse 2)
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Exploiting economies, watching nations fall.
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While the average person struggles, they don't even care.
They preach diversification, but it's just a charade,
Consolidating wealth, their power never fades.
(Chorus)
BlackRock, the empire of greed,
Playing with fortunes, planting wicked seeds.
With money as their weapon, they conquer with might,
Leaving devastation, in their financial fight.
(Verse 3)
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Acquiring corporations, swallowing them up worldwide.
They create monopolies, crushing competition's hope,
Building their empire, leaving others on a tightrope.
The game is rigged, in their favor it's set,
Politicians and lobbyists, their interests they protect.
BlackRock's web expands, entangling the system,
A financial powerhouse, causing global schism.
(Chorus)
BlackRock, the empire of greed,
Playing with fortunes, planting wicked seeds.
With money as their weapon, they conquer with might,
Leaving devastation, in their financial fight.
(Outro)
BlackRock Corporation, a force hard to ignore,
Their influence grows, leaving scars and more.
But we won't stay silent, we'll rise up and resist,
Expose their tyranny, reclaim what they dismiss.
The fight for justice, we won't back down,
Against BlackRock's empire, we'll wear the crown.
Is this a parody of "Straight Outta Compton"? 😀
Not bad
ChatGPT?
I don't think Reason should allow such obvious NYSE:BLK pumping.
Yeah so...
Trans woman cleared of flashing penis at women in public after judge rules defendant is too fat for it to be visible
https://thepostmillennial.com/trans-woman-cleared-of-flashing-penis-at-women-in-public-after-judge-rules-defendant-is-too-fat-for-it-to-be-visible
That judge needs to be disbarred.
"Will 2024 Bring the Return of the Neocons?"
Assuming "Neocons" is code for TDS-addled shits hoping to advance a narrative, it seems you're forgetting 2020 and the rise of the Nocon Biden handing out US taxpayer money in a proxy war.
Tell us, Kristain, exactly how addled you are. Or, simply, STFU.
Will 2024 Bring the Return of the Neocons?
The GOP nominee can forge a humbler path on foreign policy—or turn back to failed neoconservatism.
You've got to be fucking shitting me with this article!
Bonnie... Ummm. welcome to 2017. Jesus H Fucking Keerist on a cracker.
What in THE fucking fuck is fucking going on in the halls of Reason's Barely Legal writing team HQ?
What is your specific complaint?
lol yes.
Mein Gott Reason is alseep AF.
A video, of course. With no explanation of which part to watch, or what you want us to pick up from it.
“I need instructions “
/mike
You know there’s an article attached to the video right?
good step
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neocons all went soft (D) when T got the 2016 nom.
The current GOP voters have little appetite for Bush era neoconservatism. Trump famously trashed the Bush family in the debates and won the nomination in 2016, which would have been unthinkable in 2009. Bill Kristol is despised by the center right and Trump supporters consider Pence as a traitor.
The foreign policy dilemma of our time is Ukraine. Nothing else matters. Given that most republicans would prefer the nation not involve itself Ukraine, the only question to ask the GOP is – will the nominee heed the base and actually seek peace? Will he or she stop giving unlimited amount of money to Zelensky, who plays the role of a tough guy as Russia pummels the nation’s infrastructure?
The EU and the Biden admin continue to poke the Russian bear as it seeks new alliances with China and Iran in the face of sanctions. China has its eyes on Taiwan. Can America survive sanctions on both Russia and China?
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Step back from proximate causes to more ultimate causes. Biden acted the lazy fool in the Afghan withdrawal and through fist-bumping Arab killers and letting Kamala the Incompetent ruin the border, the Biden hate club had to turn neo-con just to stay nationalist. He let Chinese torture go on so he could get a climate treaty and is now ignoring Falun Gong persecution (which he added to by his winking at Uyghur persecution),
Get someine in the Pres and VP offices that are not stupid lazy incompetents and the neo-con thing will dry up.
I only remember all those new wars we got into.
Well... Biden renegotiated to the worst withdrawal ever.
Classic Trump: make a huge, beautiful deal, then leave it to others to actually make it work. If Trump had still been in office when it came time to withdraw, I can't help but suspect the generals would have been able to bamboozle him into staying.
It's all rooted in toxic masculinity.
The female firefighters should stick to making sandwiches and coffee for the men. They should also bake some pies as well.
I thought Rodney Richpigge suicided by ordering his chaffeur to drive off a cliff.
Someday we may even have an AI capable of sorting out sophisticated spam like this.
and lots of deep seeded misogyny
World War III was horrible.
Which one?
Plus inviting Putin to invade Ukraine. No wait, that was Biden.
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Ash to Ashes.
Hey guys, quit needling them...
But making the tribe feel even more sure and self-righteous.
They should all be fired.
They should also bake some pies as well.
and burn down the house.
All five of them.
The one Bill Kristol lost.
He backed Jimmy Carter in '76.
Will he be running with him for President in '24?
Just waiting for when he claims he never defended the trans cult. He has provided far too many bookmarks lately.
Mike tries this same bullshit. Will spend a dozen posts defending something then claim he didn't make a personal opinion of anything. It is full retard.
They’re suffering from burnout.
He’s trying it below. Wonder how much of a bitch alcohol induced amnesia is?
Memory span of a goldfish.
Strawman deluge has started.
Or maybe just board.
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I'm stumped for a response.
As long as the pie isn’t burned.
It's one small step in a pram, from the axis of evil to the praxis of weevils.
If you're so sure about that (apart from having clicked on the link, downloading the content to your own computer in the process), why can't you provide any actual evidence of it? I've asked numerous times, and of course read Overt's idiotic attempt to insinuate what had happened, but as far as I know not one of you has ever provided a screen shot or even a quote showing WTF SPB actually did. What's the context?
Without that, to an outsider this constant refrain just appears like a juvenile smear campaign or a sick inside joke.
(But please don't include the actual KP link, thanks.)
At least he actually got it done, however poorly. It's one of the few truly useful things Biden has done.