Another Analysis Suggests Mandatory Reporting Laws May Be Doing Children More Harm Than Good
Plus: Virginia lawmaker wants to criminalize parents who don't affirm child's gender identity, inflation is up 8.2 percent over the past 12 months, and more...

A new investigative series looks at child welfare system deficiencies, from mandatory reporting laws to child protective services search policies. It finds that policies meant to protect kids may be putting them and their families in harm's way.
Mandatory reporting laws say that certain classes of professionals are legally obligated to report suspected child abuse and neglect to authorities. Federal law requires states to have such laws in place.
While mandatory reporting might seem at first rather uncontroversial—one hopes that any adult, mandated or not, would report suspected child abuse—the nature of these laws leads to a lot of unfounded reporting. Mandatory reporters who fail to do so face penalties ranging from criminal charges to professional sanctions and loss of occupational licenses, so it behooves them to report liberally. ("Mandatory reporters are required to report the facts and circumstances that led them to suspect that a child has been abused or neglected" but "do not have the burden of providing proof that abuse or neglect has occurred," notes a report from the U.S. Children's Bureau.) This can lead to a lot of false reports of abuse that cause major headaches and heartaches for the families involved.
The problem is exacerbated by states perpetually expanding the list of people considered mandatory reporters.
In Pennsylvania, "the vast expansion of the child protection dragnet ensnared tens of thousands of innocent parents, disproportionately affecting families of color living in poverty," reported NBC News and ProPublica on Wednesday. Their investigation found that "while the unintended and costly consequences are clear, there's no proof that the reforms have prevented the most serious abuse cases….Instead, data and child welfare experts suggest the changes may have done the opposite."
Reason has long been warning about the downsides of mandatory reporting laws. "Last year, mandatory-reporting laws led to more than 3 million child-abuse 'reports' in the United States," noted Lisa Snell in a post two decades ago for Reason Foundation, the nonprofit that publishes this website. "Yet child-welfare agencies managed only to substantiate with evidence fewer than one-third of these cases."
Since then, states have drastically expanded the bounds of these laws. Mandatory reporters now include not only groups like social workers, teachers, health care professionals, and child care providers, but also computer technicians, drug counselors, parole officers, employees and volunteers at day camps and recreation centers, film processors, animal control officers, clergy, and college staff in some states. "In approximately 18 States and Puerto Rico, any person who suspects child abuse or neglect is required to report," notes the Children's Bureau report.
In Pennsylvania, "in the five years after the reforms took effect, the state's child abuse hotline was inundated with more than 1 million reports of child maltreatment, state data shows," report ProPublica and NBC News:
More than 800,000 of these calls were related not to abuse or serious neglect, but to lower-level neglect allegations often stemming from poverty, most of which were later dismissed as invalid by caseworkers.
The number of children reported as possible victims of abuse or serious neglect increased by 72% compared to the five years prior, triggering Child Protective Services investigations into the well-being of nearly 200,000 children from 2015 to 2019, according to a ProPublica and NBC News analysis of federal Department of Health and Human Services data. From this pool of reports, child welfare workers identified 6,000 more children who might have been harmed than in the five previous years. But for the vast majority of the 200,000 alleged victims — roughly 9 in 10 — county agencies dismissed the allegations as unfounded after inspecting families' homes and subjecting parents and children to questioning.
The expanded reporting requirements were even less effective at detecting additional cases of sexual abuse. Some 42,000 children were investigated as possible sex abuse victims from 2015 to 2019 — an increase of 42% from the five years prior — but there was no increase in the number of substantiated allegations, the analysis of federal data showed. In other words, reforms enacted in response to a major sex abuse scandal led to thousands more investigations, but no increase in the number of children identified as likely victims.
And Pennsylvania is far from alone in expanding its mandatory reporting requirements:
Over the past decade, at least 36 states have enacted laws to expand the list of professionals required by law to report suspicions of child abuse or imposed new reporting requirements and penalties for failing to report, according to data compiled by the National Conference of State Legislatures, a group representing state governments.
Some legal experts and child welfare reform activists argue these laws have created a vast family surveillance apparatus, turning educators, health care workers, therapists and social services providers into the eyes and ears of a system that has the power to take children from their parents.
Being investigated by child protective services can be a disturbing experience for parents and children alike, and even lead to children being temporarily removed from their parents' homes. It can also lead to a range of other invasive measures.
Social workers frequently search homes without a warrant, according to another report from ProPublica and NBC News. New York City's Administration for Children's Services (ACS) "obtains an average of fewer than 94 entry orders a year to inspect homes, meaning it has a warrant less than 0.2% of the time" it conducts searches, they reported yesterday.
And it's not just New York City:
Across the nation, child protective services agencies investigate the home lives of roughly 3.5 million children every year, according to statistics from the federal Department of Health and Human Services. Only about 5% of them are ultimately found to have been physically or sexually abused.
With rare exceptions, all of these investigations include at least one home visit, and often multiple, according to a review of all 50 states' child welfare statutes and agency investigative manuals.
Yet in a ProPublica and NBC News survey that drew detailed responses from 40 state child welfare agencies, all said they would only obtain a warrant or court order to search a home — or call the police for help — in rare cases when they are denied entry. None said they keep any data on how often they get an entry order.
It's a staggering reality — likely millions of warrantless searches a year — and one that has not been reported before.
Last year, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court held in In the Interest of Y.W.-B. that orders for social worker home visits require a showing of probable cause similar to that which would be required for a police search. "We expressly hold that there is no 'social worker exception' to compliance with constitutional limitations on an entry into a home without consent or exigent circumstances," wrote the justices.
But many families comply with warrantless searches because they don't know their rights, or worry that exercising them will lead to worse consequences. In New York City, report NBC News and ProPublica, "caseworkers frequently say things that are coercive and manipulative in order to get inside homes without going to a judge, according to interviews with more than three dozen former ACS workers, New York City Family Court judges, parents, children and attorneys."
Social workers are often thought of as altruistic public servants. But all too often they act like cops who aren't required to play by constitutional rules.
That was the gist of a recent piece in The New Republic, by Emily Cooke. "Since mid-2020, as outrage over police violence reached an apex and calls to defund police departments gained momentum, it has seemed obvious to many on the left that social work is the solution," notes Cooke.
"It seems like common sense, the idea that you could reduce violence by diverting money from bloated police departments and sinking it into programs populated by social workers," she writes. But critics of this idea—including some social workers—"suspect that any substitution of their colleagues for police would amount to dressing wolves in sheep's clothing.…The concern is that if you measure in terms of the power to coerce, surveil, and inflict lasting harm, social workers are, thanks to very nature of the job, cops by another name."
Cooke's piece also delves into the problems of mandatory reporting, noting that "only a quarter of children end up in foster care because of abuse; the majority are put there because of alleged neglect"—a vague category with a subjective definition.
"Nationally, the families of more than half of Black children will be investigated by child protective services before those kids turn 18; in much of the country, more than one in 10 Black kids will be removed from their home," she writes. "In New York City, Black families are six times more likely than white families to be investigated and 11 times more likely to experience a separation. If social workers are by and large earnest, gentle, well-intentioned individuals, they are also unavoidably narcs, bound by laws demanding that they rat on the very communities they're supposed to help."
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Virginia lawmaker wants to criminalize parents who don't affirm child's gender identity. Yesterday, Reason reported on an atrocious Michigan bill that would define gender transition treatment for minors as child abuse. Virginia is now considering a bit of ridiculous overreach in the opposite direction. WJLA reports that "Virginia parents could face a felony or misdemeanor charge if they do not affirm their child's sexual orientation and gender identity, according to a state lawmaker with plans to introduce the legislation in Virginia's upcoming legislative session."
The lawmaker, Virginia Delegate Elizabeth Guzman (D–Woodbridge), said her bill would define failing to affirm a child's sexual orientation or gender identity as child abuse. "If the child shares with those mandated reporters, what they are going through, we are talking about not only physical abuse or mental abuse, what the job of that mandated reporter is to inform Child Protective Services," Guzman told WJLA.
"And then that's how everybody gets involved. There's also an investigation in place that is not only from a social worker but there's also a police investigation before we make the decision that there is going to be a CPS charge."
"What could the penalties be if the investigation concludes that a parent is not affirming of their LGBTQ child? What could the consequences be?" 7News WJLA-TV Reporter Nick Minock asked Guzman on Thursday.
"Well, we first have to complete an investigation," Guzman answered. "It could be a felony, it could be a misdemeanor, but we know that CPS charge could harm your employment, could harm their education, because nowadays many people do a CPS database search before offering employment."
"What would you tell your Republican colleagues who say this is criminalizing parents? What would you tell them?" Minock asked Guzman.
"No, it's not. It's educating parents because the law tells you the do's and don'ts," Guzman answered. "So this law is telling you do not abuse your children because they are LGBTQ."
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New inflation report confirms what consumers know.
The CPI rose +0.4% in September, and is now running at 8.2%, down from 8.3%.
Excluding food and energy, prices rose +0.6% in the month, so core inflation is 6.6%.
Inflation is proving to be more resilient -- and more troubling -- than many had hoped or forecast.
— Justin Wolfers (@JustinWolfers) October 13, 2022
The cost of everything from food to health care continued to go up last month, according to the latest Bureau of Labor Statistics data. Overall, prices were up 0.4 percent last month, putting the overall price increase at 8.2 percent for the past 12 months. In some categories, the climb has been ever more steep. For instance, "food prices have climbed by 11.2 percent in the past year, while energy prices are up by a whopping 19.7 percent despite falling by about 2 percent in September," notes Reason's Eric Boehm.
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Venezuela has oil, we need oil. It's not that hard to guess that Biden's sucking up to Venezuela.
Isn't our rig count way up now though?
Virginia lawmaker wants to criminalize parents who don't affirm child's gender identity.
"My child identifies as anti-vax gender."
We must, we must,
we must remove our bust.
In our clown world, it is going to be a felony in one state to cut your daughters boobs off and a felony in another state to nor cut your daughters boobs off.
Talk about perils around crossing state lines.
Evolution affirms your gender. You can no more "affirm" your gender than you can make yourself an Olympic 100-meter sprinter. Biology is biology..now you can imitate the other sex but you are NOT the other sex. Regarding kids, it is very apparent these are kids mostly screaming for attention with self-esteem issues. They seem to be the kids who don't fit in..not good at sports not having many friends. Like the "goth" kids or "emo" kids of the last few decades. They want to stand out, to be part of something, to be given attention. The last think you need are groomers convincing them to join the "team" and get sexual mutilated. They want to be heard...it is all about attention and these kids are not getting any. End of story.
Let's not go overboard. Being dismissive will only make people ignore you. I will agree that young children do not know who they are yet, and the vast majority of children involved in this are misunderstanding their feelings.
We have seen numerous cases of depression and even schizophrenia misdiagnosed as dysphoria. The UK shut down their main transition clinic earlier this year over this. However, there are countless cases that turned out to be normal stress or angst. "Gender Affirming Care" in these situations does not remove dysphoria but creates it.
Additionally, the focus on gender transition ignores the overall unimpressive psychiatric results. To my knowledge, there has never been a study comparing transition treatment versus standard therapy. Indeed, given the current political situation, trying such a study would be illegal. Standard medical practice is to start with the least invasive treatment, but that does not even seem to be in play anymore.
Finally, I do not believe that people, children especially, are getting properly informed about the potential negatives of transitioning as only positive information is allowed. Many de-transitioned people speak about how they felt lied to by the community because they were literally not allowed to hear negatives. This is magnified exponentially as we talk about younger patients, with preschoolers or even toddlers being transitioned by their parents before they can possibly express themselves. On that last one, I think we can definitely agree that this is abusive.
"Affirm" doesn't mean what it used to mean.
"Virginia lawmaker wants to criminalize parents who don't affirm child's gender identity."
This assumes that it's actually the child's chosen gender identity, and not the parent's. I'd suspect that many parents want to be cool with a transgender child. If the conservative thing is kiddie beauty pageants, the Liberals have to go farther.
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The Biden administration is extending the pandemic emergency designation through January 11, 2023—despite President Joe Biden recently declaring that the pandemic is over.
Big surprise.
Gotta cover the student loan taxpayer payoff scheme.
The cost of everything from food to health care continued to go up last month...
I prefer to think of it as my money being worth less.
“Inflation is profit”
This was actually stated here by our resident idiot.
Resident idiot is not quite descriptive enough.
Remember when the WaPo published the piece on how a recession could be financially beneficial?
7 Ways a recession could be good for you financially
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1575161697978941442
Recession? What recession?
Let's just start calling it a depression and watch Biden's head explode.
"The Brandon Depression of the 2020s"
"Depression" implies something of limited duration that will end in a recovery. What we're heading into is more properly called a "collapse".
OOh, that's a good one.
I also remember when CNN did the full "it's not happening, but it's a good thing" on inflation.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/01/economy/inflation-good-bad-winners-losers/index.html
It's happening, but it's a good thing.
It's funflation.
"The
costprice of everything from food to health care continued to go up last month…"That would be more accurate.
Costs and prices have both gone up.
PPI is still higher than CPI which is a precursor to higher CPI.
Sarc has never read an economics book.
I was trying to agree with FoE. It's as if I could say the sky is blue and you'd call me a liar because it's black at night.
Gosh, wonder why? It must be because everyone here is a bully, right?
More like cliquey girls.
More like cliquey girls.
It's amusing he criticizes this even as he, CJ, and Laursen ally themselves.
Standards are those things sarc creates for other people, never for himself.
He didn't call you a liar anywhere in the post. He simply said that both costs and prices have risen. That's not an accusation, it's a correction.
How you went from that to inferring that he called you a liar is absolutely baffling.
He isnt intelligent. He continues to show he can't actually comprehend posts as written.
"isnt"
If you're going to insult me you could at least use proper grammar. Jeez.
You mean spelling?
Mistyping isn't bad "grammar", you retard. It's an accidentally skipped text object where an apostrophe should be. Not erroneous structural constraints in his composition.
This from a guy who insisted last month that capitalizing a proper noun was a grammatical error.
If you’re going to insult me you could at least use proper grammar.
Just a couple of days ago sarc criticized someone for focusing on his misspelling which he characterized as irrelevant. That's yet another standard he applies only to other people.
Holy shit sarc doesn’t even know what grammar means!
Or understand people on phones don't bother with apostrophes relying on auto correct.
But he is probably furiously one finger typing his rants.
...my pediatrician dad says was physically incapable of committing the crime for which he's doing up to 60 years in prison…
To be fair, that's not really relevant in the jobs program that is our criminal justice system these days.
Mainstream media has portrayed PCP as a substance that makes people violent and erratic—but that's not the whole story...
It's being a terminator that does that. See this scar...?
It also makes them super strong and immune to pain. Just ask Tyrone Biggums.
Yesterday, Reason reported on an atrocious Michigan bill that would define gender transition treatment for minors as child abuse. Virginia is now considering a bit of ridiculous overreach in the opposite direction. WJLA reports that "Virginia parents could face a felony or misdemeanor charge if they do not affirm their child's sexual orientation and gender identity, according to a state lawmaker with plans to introduce the legislation in Virginia's upcoming legislative session."
Ladies and gentlemen, the Red vs Blue Team culture war in all its glorious overreach and stupid fixation on opposing the other team!
Which position is more likely to cause harm to children?
Depends on which political party you belong to.
Why are rightoids only okay with parents making choices about their children when its the choices they agree with?
Because if the left supports it, it's a good reverse barometer.
Why does everyone think that if you disagree with Democrats/progressives that automatically makes you a “rightoid”?
Because the leftists here are free to call anyone disagreeing with them and the left trump cultists, but don't you ever call them leftists for defending the left.
It's honestly because I don't know what other term to use, certainly not "conservative". Obviously, every person is unique, but there seems to be a strong concentration of people who hang off whatever Donald Trump says (whatever it may be at any given moment, it changes like the wind) and obsess about "fighting back" or "winning" without any coherent idea what that looks like aside from opposition to "the enemy"; so it is simply The Right.
You know, when I was growing up, "conservative" meant the government keeping its nose out of people's private affairs and that parents were the ultimate authority over their own children, up to and including mutilating their private parts if they so choose, I suppose. It's sad and immoral, but either the parent has that choice or the state has that choice, and I would never trust the state with my child's family jewels.
Wow, standing in support of child manipulation and mutilation is apparently a leftist value these days. Sorry, but if someone was beating their kid to change their behavior that would be wrong too, that you cannot see that because your marxist masters say child mutilation is good would be is sad.
One has to do with protecting children from sterilization and sexual mutilation. The other has to do with protecting children's feelings.
That they aren't morally equivalent should be obvious to anyone. Parents do not have a right to irreversably maim their children to "treat" a body image disorder.
Mike's always "Both sides!" whenever team blue is doing something undeniably fucked up and horrific. He's impartial like that.
The comment I read was about how the two sides see what the other is doing, do the opposite, and then take turns raising on each other.
You saw correctly.
Don’t even want to know what biased, distorted reading Mother’s gave to my comment.
"biased, distorted reading"
You misspelled "accurate".
Sarc misses jeff. Now seeking attaboys from Mike. Lol.
Dee was his first love.
Aren't you girls going to sing about us in a tree?
There are quite a few men who hang out here in the commentariat who identify as mean girls.
Everyone becomes a mean girl when Sarc and Mike start getting punched back.
Haha. There goes mike with his “victim narrative” again.
Tell us more about how the cons always do this, hypocrite.
Haha. There goes mike with his “victim narrative” again.
That can't be, Laursen hates people playing victim.
Basically what I said below. Your comment means you support the most despicable positions of the other.
No it doesn't retard. You're like a three-year-old, making up weird rules and insisting that they apply to reality.
"The comment I read was about"
Basic reading comprehension skills were never your strong suit, Sarcasmic, but then again you also enjoy lying.
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That’s some terrible grammar there sarc.
Here are our Lefties in a nutshell:
1) When Team Red plays the culture wars, blame them for their intolerance and evil. Hate the players.
2) When Team Blue plays the culture wars, complain about the culture wars as problematic. Hate the game.
How glorious.
I love how rolling back excesses from the Left is bad but allowing the Left to continue doing what they've been doing is A-OK.
Here's our righty-tighties in a nutshell:
1) When someone says anything about "both sides" assume they support "the other."
2) Take the most despicable position of "the other" and claim that's what the person saying "both sides" supports.
Yesterday, commenters (mostly Inquisitive Squirrel) were trying so hard to catch me in a “gotcha”. If they had been willing to have a discussion rather than trying to jump on everything I said in order to “own” me, they’d discover I have a lot of the same misgivings about the left’s gender fluidity politics that they do.
You don't tell them what you think. They tell you what you think.
It's like a Yakov Smirnoff joke.
It's like you two imagine that somehow nobody can still see what was written.
It's like you can't tell the difference between an observation, a joke, and an opinion. You lump them all together as "This is exactly what this person truly believes about everything! That guy's such a moron he thinks chickens cross the road! Look at him!"
And there is Sarc trying to play his games. Take him seriously, and you don't understand the joke. Dismiss him as being unserious, and he harrumphs about no one being interested in actual conversation around here. What a shock.
https://reason.com/2022/09/02/trump-disregards-democracy-while-biden-ignores-its-dangers/?comments=true#comment-9684070
Here's what you don't understand. I'm not giving my point of view. I very rarely give my point of view. You assume my point of view, and you're wrong 100% of the time.
But I thought you were just about sharing "ideas". Now you're saying that you're what, trolling?
You can't discuss ideas without inserting opinions? That's really sad.
"You assume my point of view, and you’re wrong 100% of the time."
I don't give a fuck about your point of view. I am commenting on your behavior. You do understand the difference right? As that link shows, your shitty behavior is roughly:
1) Respond to my threads with crappy troll bait
2) If I respond seriously, you tell me to lighten up.
3) If I dismiss you as unserious, you lecture me about how I should consider your point of view if I really want to have a conversation.
But your shitty behavior demonstrates (again and again) that you and I won't have a conversation. You'll bail the second things start getting interesting in order to post YET ANOTHER "Here's my caricature of JesseAz, hur durr!" thread in YET ANOTHER article.
None of that requires me to understand your point of view. If I were to guess about your point of view, based on the information you've shared with us here, it would be that you behave this way as a way to distract from your mess of a life. You could man-up and take accountability for your decisions in life- whether that is in these threads or in reality. But instead, it is much easier to piss everyone off so that you can claim to be a poor, poooooor victim. And that's why you will never stand behind anything you say, and will probably never stand behind any of the decisions you've made in life.
But that is just my assumption. It matters little to me either way. I'll keep calling out your perfidy when I see it- especially when you are replying to my threads. If you don't like it, go reply to someone else.
But when you assume things that are not there and call people names it's all good, right?
More often than not, your response it to refute an argument I did not make. How am I supposed to respond to that? If I tell you you're wrong you get mad. If I respond in kind you get mad. If I try to have a conversation you get mad.
For fuck sake, did you even actually read what Overt just wrote, Sarcasmic?
"But when you assume things that are not there and call people names it’s all good, right?"
I didn't call you names. I pointed out your behavior. You admit that you are rarely obvious about your beliefs. You proudly exclaim that most of what you say is sarcasm. Then you act like a victim when people misunderstand you. That's all behavior. The self destructive behavior of someone who is too much a coward to really stand up for their beliefs.
"More often than not, your response it [sic] to refute an argument I did not make."
Not true. But even if it were true, perhaps you could own up to your own behavior. You admit that you are vague, sarcastic, and often argue things you don't believe. Maybe if people are addressing an argument you did not make, it is because you are being unclear.
I don't believe that, mind you.
"If I tell you you’re wrong you get mad. If I respond in kind you get mad. If I try to have a conversation you get mad."
I have never gotten mad at you, Sarc.
That said, any time you have told me I am wrong, I have corrected my conversation- assuming you are willing to clarify. But I can't remember off the top of my head the last time you actually tried to correct me. The last time I tried engaging with you- I took issue with a george carlin quote you posted, and rather than actually clarifying, you played the trickster and told me to get the stick out of my ass (I guess because I wasn't supposed to take you seriously).
Then when I wouldn't engage with you the last time, you derided me for being unwilling to have a serious conversation. So it seems to me you want to have it both ways. *shrug*
I'll call you on that every time you respond to my posts.
If I try to have a conversation you get mad.
This is pretty amusing considering all his "conversations" begin with insulting everyone else. Which is unsurprising since he's admitted he's only here to troll other commenters. But apparently he thinks people will forget that if he just pretends he's a serious person.
Too bad every thread proves that false.
I took issue with a george carlin quote you posted, and rather than actually clarifying, you played the trickster and told me to get the stick out of my ass (I guess because I wasn’t supposed to take you seriously)
Can you tell the difference between seriousness and humor? The George Carlin quote was a joke. It was not meant to be taken seriously. It did however contain a grain of truth (all jokes do) in that conservatives want government to punish abortions, but don’t want government to do anything to help the kid once it is born. You interpreted that to be a defense of social programs. It was not. It was a joke. That’s it. A fucking quote from a fucking comedian.
"This is pretty amusing considering all his “conversations” begin with insulting everyone else."
Only if you take my generalizations personally. If so that's you, not me.
The other day I was listening to a comic, Jim Jefferies I think, and he made a rape joke. Then he had to go into a long, obligatory disclaimer about how he doesn't support rape before telling his next rape joke. I think it was about Bill Cosby. And it was funny. I laughed.
I kinda figure that you and your buddies would be fuming about how this guy promotes rape, then you'd go into a long diatribe about his politics, and call him a liar if he disagreed with anything you said.
Considering Jeffries is a bog-standard shitlib, assuming he's a liar as a matter of course is probably a pretty good bet to make.
Right. Everyone who disagrees with you is an evil liar. *yawn*
Right. Everyone who disagrees with you is an evil liar. *yawn*
Jeffries certainly is.
Really? You can listen to one of his bits and determine from it which parts are jokes, which parts are serious, and what he truly believes? That's pretty cool. Or do you just assume that everything is a lie because you don't like his politics? I'm going to assume the latter.
Really? You can listen to one of his bits and determine from it which parts are jokes, which parts are serious, and what he truly believes? That’s pretty cool.
Yeah, I'm pretty fucking talented.
Sweet shout out.
Orrrrrrr, you can and you pretend not to so you can call people names.
I'm not sure which. I don't think you're an idiot, but I'd never call you honest.
If I'm not honest I invite you to provide even one example where I lied to you. Me. Not other people, but where I lied to you.
You don't even have to provide a link, just mention an example.
Meanwhile, I will still say that you're a retard, a troll and a liar, and if you want citations I'll be happy to oblige.
You lie about me all the time when you and the girls get into your little sewing circle and trade snipes at the kids who aren't in your clique.
Like when? I asked you for an example, you stupid fuck.
"Basic reading comprehension skills were never your strong suit, Sarcasmic, but then again you also enjoy lying."
"Dee was his first love."
"It’s amusing he criticizes this even as he, CJ, and Laursen ally themselves.
Standards are those things sarc creates for other people, never for himself."
I suppose it's not a lie if you think it's the truth. Or maybe you're just showing off your maturity.
Yeah, I remember when we all held a summit and formed our alliance. Sarcasmic made these awesome lobster canapés.
I am a bit concerned that sarcasmic didn’t disclose his Cuban sandwich issue before the alliance documents were signed.
Yeah, I remember when we all held a summit and formed our alliance. Sarcasmic made these awesome lobster canapés.
The reveal here is that sarc has made this accusation against the right a thousand times without criticism from Laursen. But the second someone applies the criticism to them it is transformed into a conspiracy theory. Their process is the same when commenters criticize the left generally.
Scott Alexander from Slate Star Codex wrote an excellent essay on In-group vs Out-group evaluations noting this exact practice. Noting how their standards change from out group (right) to in group (left) is how we recognize who they (perhaps subconsciously) consider their in-group allies.
Me:
provide even one example where I lied to you. Me. Not other people, but where I lied to you.
Sarc:
“Basic reading comprehension skills were never your strong suit, Sarcasmic, but then again you also enjoy lying.”
“Dee was his first love.”
“It’s amusing he criticizes this even as he, CJ, and Laursen ally themselves.
Standards are those things sarc creates for other people, never for himself.”
The fact that you attribute the last two examples to me, demonstrates that your first example was definitely not a lie, you ferocious moron. Your reading comprehension absolutely sucks.
He will lie 3 posts apart lol.
It's got to be trolling. Nobody could be that oblivious.
I remember Yakov. Didn't he and Sam Kinison both die--by pure coincidence--in head-on collisions? ...almost like rich guys in Putin's Russia?
"Misgivings" is a euphemism for, "I'm not comfortable with this, but I'm not going to make a fuss about it."
Funny how with White Mike, it only goes in one direction while he claims to be bothered by "both sides."
“Misgivings” is a euphemism for, “I’m not comfortable with this,
I think this is better summarized as "I don't want to have to defend this". If he wasn't actually comfortable with childhood genital mutilation he would make that point to the people who push it. He has literally never done this. Instead he only asserts this to opponents of CGM to protect himself from criticism.
No. You were trying to parse the discussion to a minimal aspect of the conversation to defend the entirety of the trans medical movement. Despite given actual examples from hospitals saying bottom surgery for kids as young as 15 and new guidance from WPATH supporting it.
Your entire stick is cutting off breasts is fine as long as it's not dicks and then ignored the actual citations of kids as young as 15 and the changing guidance that will soon promote it.
It was entirely dishonest to protect the views of the left and their support of "gender affirming surgery."
If they had been willing to have a discussion
I love when commenters whose only purpose is stirring shit with other commenters pretend they want a discussion. It's like they think people can't recognize what they are.
The best part is he admitted most everyone on that thread he had muted, but claims he wants a conversation. Lol.
"Yesterday, commenters (mostly Inquisitive Squirrel) were trying so hard to catch me in a “gotcha”. If they had been willing to have a discussion rather than trying to jump on everything I said in order to “own” me"
Mike pretends that he is interested in having a discussion, while ignoring all the people trying to converse with him. Because he is a liar. He doesn't want to discuss anything, as IQ found yesterday. He will worm around constantly and gas light about what he said.
If everyone else can see the problems in your posting style and rhetoric, the problem isn’t with them…
“…. I have the same misgivings….”
Lol. Really, mike? Cuz this one seems like a slam dunk, buddy. Leave the kids out of it.
One doesn’t have “misgivings” about this kind of sick shit. Or CRT, or covid hysteria. All things that you have supported, tepid “misgivings” aside.
Yup. Sealion.
Oh look, Sarc is replying to me again to try and turn my replies into a shit flinging fest. Again. I wonder which Sarc we will get- "Just Joking Around Sarc" or "I'm trying to have a real conversation here" Sarc?
My guess is both.
Who is flinging shit? Did Mike single out anyone in particular? Did he say which side he agrees with? Did he offer judgement?
No. He was observing how both sides see what the other is doing and go full retard in the opposite direction.
Then the shit started to fly.
Did Mike single out anyone in particular?
"Yesterday, commenters (mostly Inquisitive Squirrel) were trying so hard to catch me in a “gotcha”."
That answer your question?
I’m referring to his original comment today. I thought that was so obvious that only a liar would intentionally take a comment that does not relate to what I said and say that’s what I was referring to.
And in that original comment, Mike singled out IS specifically.
This is what he said:
"Ladies and gentlemen, the Red vs Blue Team culture war in all its glorious overreach and stupid fixation on opposing the other team!"
You read that as supporting team Blue because it doesn't praise Republicans while condemning Democrats. I read it as both sides going full retard in their attempts to do the opposite of the other.
Then the shit started to fly.
"Then the shit started to fly."
sarcasmic
September.10.2021 at 12:14 pm
I like to stir shit up. So what.
https://reason.com/2021/09/10/two-big-new-ways-the-biden-administration-plans-to-overstep-its-pandemic-authority/#comment-9095036
If I was flinging shit at anyone, it was “Virginia Delegate Elizabeth Guzman (D–Woodbridge)”. Isn’t that who pretty much everyone here wants me to be flinging shit at?
Oh look, Sarc, who doesn't understand the point of my response to Mike, would now like to ask me to clarify.
So it's the "I'm trying to have a real conversation here", sarc. But don't worry everybody, you can go up a few posts and see the "I'm not serious" sarc too. It's almost like Multiple Personality Disorder, but more banal.
Are you going to explain how
"Here are our Lefties in a nutshell:
1) When Team Red plays the culture wars, blame them for their intolerance and evil. Hate the players.
2) When Team Blue plays the culture wars, complain about the culture wars as problematic. Hate the game.
How glorious."
Follows from
“Ladies and gentlemen, the Red vs Blue Team culture war in all its glorious overreach and stupid fixation on opposing the other team!”
?
I'm genuinely curious. Because I don't see anything in support for either team in that comment. I see an observation that both teams are escalating in opposite directions.
You don't think that Mike's post was condemning the "Culture Wars", i.e. The Game?
oooookay.
I think you are reading things that are not there.
Absolutely. There was no support for Team Blue in that comment. It was meant to be critical of Team Blue.
Even if he is condemning the “Culture Wars,” why not? That’s not taking a side. It’s observing how contrarian and reflexive politics has become. Opposing the enemy is the only guiding principle anymore, and it’s stupid. It's why I don't vote. Both sides suck. That isn't saying they're equal or that one side sucks more or less than the other. It means that I'm not going to choose between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich. Sure, the Giant Douche at least serves a purpose, so I suppose it's better than the Turd Sandwich, but that doesn't mean I'm going to vote for it.
Is opposing Female Genital Mutilation a "culture war " issue? I've never seen any leftist or libertarian poser assert this.
In truth abstracting the facts to the generic "culture wars" is an attempt to hide that these things are very different and that one is clearly worse. This is one of the key benefits of abstraction which is why one of the key methods of defeating propaganda is returning to the specifics.
Is opposing Female Genital Mutilation a “culture war ” issue? I’ve never seen any leftist or libertarian poser assert this.
You're telling me it is not? The people who support this are living in their own weird-ass culture that I do not understand, but it is definitely a culture. Likewise the people opposing it are also a culture. Unfortunately the way things are going I think the former is going to win. Which really sucks. In my opinion the people who support this gender-reassignment are mental, but they truly believe they are in the right. The practice is relatively common (the manager with boobs at my local grocery store was born a man) which means it is less and less shocking. It's gotten into film at tv. Hard to find a recent show that doesn't have some gay or trans theme in it, which frankly is gross.
So I would say the issue is indeed a culture war, and both sides are going full retard.
There. You owe me a nickel. Inflation and all that.
You really want to know what I think?
I think mental illness has become mainstream in part because medical science is able to give these people what they want. I don’t believe it is right or natural. I never supported redefining marriage. I certainly don’t support doing these medial procedures to kids. Kids by definition aren’t able to make these kinds of decisions. That’s what juvenile means. I’ve got friends who are dealing with this shit directly, and it sucks. I oppose this shit tooth and nail. However I think banning the discussion of things in school sets a slippery slope precedent that can be used by both sides against each other.
Probably not what you thought, eh?
There's a couple posts that the girls won't be quoting from. Goes against the narrative.
You’re telling me it is not? The people who support this are living in their own weird-ass culture that I do not understand, but it is definitely a culture.
This is not the way the term is used however. The term culture war is used to describe support for cultural values that libertarians believe should remain free choices. In fact it generally covers conflicts within a culture, so the assertion it includes any conflict between cultures is obviously wrong. Further we oppose FGM not because it comes from a different culture (as your comment dishonestly frames) but because it violates the NAP. Accepting a definition of culture war that includes mutilation means defining essentially everything as a culture war issue which invalidates the general assertion that culture war issues should not be legislated. For example under your theory honor killings could not be criminalized. Thus we can prove FGM is not considered a culture war issue because essentially no one argues it should not be criminalized.
There. You owe me a nickel.
All you proved is that you're willing to say anything to win the argument of the moment without regard to principle or consistency. Show me one single comment referring to FGM as a culture war issue before the comment you're responding to.
You really want to know what I think?
No. People like yourself who are only here to be assholes and ruin the board for everyone else shouldn't be welcomed when they pretend to be something else. That only encourages them to continue their asshole behavior.
As an independent, non-partisan I absolutely despise the culture wars. I hate how they try to make every topic under the sun into a divisive issue where even independents are expected to take a side. I hate how it makes Americans stupid, mean-spirited. I hate how both teams perceive themselves as victims, justifying uncivil behavior.
Poor sarc.
I hate how it makes Americans stupid, mean-spirited. I hate how both teams perceive themselves as victims, justifying uncivil behavior.
This is unconvincing. To understand lets consider one recent culture war item fitting this supposed opposition to culture wars: The 1619 Project.
Anyone opposed to the culture wars should oppose the 1619 Project. It is literally fake history, asserted not because there is any evidence to support it but rather because it is useful to achieve political goals (reparations, race preferences, marginalizing non-leftists). The primary tactic to promote and defend this project is demonizing other Americans (as well as the country itself) as racist both then and now. Anyone claiming to oppose divisiveness or mean-spirit would recognize and oppose this as fitting their targets exactly. Yet on this board none of the left "libertarians" opposed the 1619 Project or even criticized it in any meaningful way. In fact they attacked those who criticized it, supporting the very mean-spiritedness they pretend to oppose.
This is true for essentially every issue, those who initiate culture wars from the left are ignored, only opposition to these culture wars is criticized.
While the left "libertarians" claim to be independent and oppose the normal sorts of things moderates and centrists oppose we see their actual position on issues conflicts with those asserted generalizations. To borrow the concept from economics this is a Revealed Preference which is far more accurate than self-labels which are more marketing gimmicks than accurate summaries.
One is for the non mutilation of children under care of an adult. The other allows mutilation of children under care of the state.
But both sides equal.
Still waiting reasons endorsement of diets for anorexic, female circumcision, Chinese foot binding, decriminalization of munchausen syndrome, etc.
It's worse than that. One criminalizes wrong actions. The other criminalizes wrongthink.
The Republican laws don't criminalize *affirming* your child's gender identity. You can change their pronouns, names, and socially transition them. You just can't subject otherwise physically healthy children to irreversible experimental treatments that permanently alter their normal, healthy development and render them sterile, permanently disfigured, unable to have healthy adult sexual relationships, and subject them to a lifetime of constant medical and psychological treatments. And I'm pretty sure zero people who support the Republican laws would be in favor of abuse or neglect of kids with gender dysphoria.
The Democrat bill goes beyond just criminalizing physical and mental abuse. It dictates what you *must* think and say, and what ideas you're allowed to have. It's not only a violation of parental rights, it's a violation of 1A rights- it compels speech. It also violates religious liberty. Are Christian parents going to be forced to "affirm" their children's gender identities, even though it's against their religious beliefs? And what does "affirm" even mean? Do you just have to use the prinouns, or are they going to compel you to medicalize your kid's mental illness? If you DON'T consent to puberty blockers, are they going to come take your kid?
They're groomers. The end. They are coming for your kids. If they can't sneak around and grab your kids in school, they'll just use the state to come take them.
+1000
Don’t forget the Castrati. Make Boys Choirs Great Again.
Ladies and gentlemen, the Red vs Blue Team culture war in all its glorious overreach and stupid fixation on opposing the other team!
One side wants to criminalize permanent sexual mutilation on children similar to Female Genital Mutilation while the other side wants to criminalize resolving a mental health crisis.
Laursen: "The Same, The Same!"
Newsflash: it's not the same.
He didn't say same. He didn't offer any judgement at all. He was pointing out how both sides are escalating in the opposite directions of each other.
Newsflash: his observation is correct.
He didn’t say same.
Liar. The framing of Both Sides-ism inherently asserts equivalence.
Yeah. They both suck. There's your equivalence.
To summarize: one prevents permanent sexual mutilation of children (similar to FGM which essentially everyone accepts should be illegal) while the other prevents resolving a mental health crisis (which should not be prevented at all).
Sarc and the other fools pretend these are the same.
Scroll up a little bit if you want to know my opinion. Or don't if you'd rather assume.
So note what sarc did here. His own summary is literally "they both suck". But when his own words are addressed he claims his own summary is "an assumption".
Does he speak English? He clearly does not know how to recognize an assumption, it's just what he says to pretend people are wrong.
Then he whines that others should be addressing his more explanatory position as if we were somehow supposed to divine that he meant something different than what he wrote.
It's just absurd.
The Biden administration is extending the pandemic emergency designation through January 11, 2023—despite President Joe Biden recently declaring that the pandemic is over.
Not really sure what what Biden says has to do with what the Biden administration does.
Remain calm; the Easter Bunny is in charge.
I thought the Easter Bunny was over only the Department of Transportation.
The U.S. Department of Justice announced today that the Orange County Sheriff's Department (OCSD) and the Orange County District Attorney's Office (OCDA) in California routinely violated civil rights and tainted numerous criminal cases...
I sure would be hate to be those two organizations right about now.
I'm glad we finally got 'em.
Is it just me, or does it seem like are there are even more mistakes since the edit function was added?
Inflation is proving to be more resilient -- and more troubling -- than many had hoped or forecast.
Akshually, not many at all. Just those involved in the spittin tobaccy industry.
Inflation just keeps happening no matter how much money we throw at it!
"I've cut the spending power of the dollar three times and it's *still* too small!"
At some point we’re just going to lop of a zero like third-world shitholes.
How many CPS calls were over teaching you kids about Columbus?
We need more resources to correct this, don't we?
I had CPS called on me because I said sometimes dragged my kid's feet off the bed to get her to get up. CPS said it was reported that I was "Laying hands on my child in a concerning way."
The CPS person eventually laughed it off, but that's then I realized that Mandatory Reporting has little to do with reporting child abuse. It's more about giving power to social workers and others who take sides in parental disputes and use their power to further their personal agenda.
"I had CPS called on me because I said sometimes dragged my kid’s feet off the bed to get her to get up. CPS said it was reported that I was “Laying hands on my child in a concerning way.”
Holy smokes, Sarcasmic!
See what your stomach does when you answer the phone and the person says they're following up on a report of child abuse.
I barfed in my mouth a little bit.
And yet he is defending mikes support of mutilating children above. Weird.
You don't even have to go that far a friends child has a medical condition, not terrible, but he needs to use a sleep apnea machine. Well kids being kids he doesn't always do as needed the problem is the machine sends a message to a monitoring group that then called CPS. CPS visited but luckily realized it was just a kid being a kid not parents denying their child medical treatment
Anyone who uses the word "concerning" as an adjective, when there are perfectly good words like "troubling," "worrisome," "objectionable," "inappropriate," and "objectionable" available, should be banished to some non-English-speaking country, where they can corrupt someone else's native tongue.
I find this post problematic.
I find it objectionable X2.
"" It’s more about giving power to social workers and others who take sides in parental disputes and use their power to further their personal agenda.""
Totally agree.
Wasn't there a social worker in Atlas Shrugged?
"Virginia lawmaker wants to criminalize parents who don't affirm child's gender identity."
Good. 🙂
In fact I'd like to see this go even further. For example I have family members who don't respect my they / them pronouns. I should be able to sue them for $10,000 each time they misgender me.
#LGBT2SQIA+
why not sue them for a 100 million, there is no award big enough to cover such a slight
Exactly, if one is LGBTQWTFBBQ+
Does BBQ indicate they're Jeffrey Dahmer inclusive now?
If so, how long before BBQ becomes BBQAnon and then we really have a dilemma.
Nah, it's not like that. The alphabet people are all about their sexuality, and the BBQ+ group are just extra saucy.
Youre the PayPal ceo???
Have you or a loved one been misgendered by a relative?
Call our office and help us help you get the ju$tice we both deserve.
Why?
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-63254878
Footage showed two people in Just Stop Oil T-shirts opening tins and throwing the contents on the masterpiece before gluing their hands to the wall.
The Metropolitan Police said two people had been arrested.
The gallery said the painting was covered by glass and therefore not damaged.
Not the way to win friends and influence people.
The dumbasses didn’t see the glass?
Birdbrains.
Wasn't there a story here, or linked here, where someone explained it as narcissism?
Called them Climate Narcissists, and related the behavior to the sort of tantrum a toddler throws.
Please tell me that the cops just left them glued to the wall until they died of thirst!
Leave them as an art installation. Over here are two dumbasses that installed themselves.
Leave then there long enough to code brown, then send pics to the press.
Not the way to win friends and influence people.
Between this and the blocking roads it's hard to imagine what a false flag operation intended to discredit the Climate movement would do differently.
Light themselves on fire?
They can't afford the carbon tax and environment impact study of their action.
Don't forget Greenpeace fucks going out and screwing with the Nazca lines. Honestly, what would they do differently if they were out to discredit themselves?
From NPR in 2014
Protestor at NFL game runs onto field with apparent incendiary device, gets tackled by NFL football player, files police report against player:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/protester-who-rams-bobby-wagner-tackled-during-game-vs-49ers-files-police-report/
...the most eventful part of the Monday Night Football game between the San Francisco 49ers and Los Angeles Rams came when a protester... an onto the field with a smoke bomb. The protester was eventually taken down by a pair of Rams players, and he has now filed a police report over the incident...
If Newsom were on his game he would give the linebacker some kind of medal for protecting the fans.
Midterms are coming...
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-biden-inflation-business-elections-a359717a7edd2e609701d03328b55418
Saudi Arabia said Thursday that the U.S. had urged it to postpone a decision by OPEC and its allies — including Russia — to cut oil production by a month. Such a delay could have helped reduce the risk of a spike in gas prices ahead of the U.S. midterm elections next month.
Biden's looking for help anywhere, it seems. How bad is their internal polling?
Looks like an impeachment is needed, based on precedent.
Isn't getting elected the current precedent?
Help everywhere but Texas.
"The Biden administration is extending the pandemic emergency designation through January 11, 2023—despite President Joe Biden recently declaring that the pandemic is over."
Whatever.
From a left-libertarian POV there's no contradiction between praising Biden for shutting down the virus and wanting him to retain emergency powers as long as possible.
#LibertariansForBiden
got to extend the pandemic so you can control the voting method. its emergencies from now till eternity
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Elites suddenly realize they need blue-collar workers they derided
“What did socialists use before candles? Electricity!”
My favorite part.
This is actually a really good analysis:
Reich is about the closest thing to a living Ayn Rand villain I've ever come across.
Way back when I was a regular NPR listening, he used to do these little essays for them. He said the most jaw-clenchingly stupid things. And always in that snooty NPR I'm-so-deeply-intellectual voice...
NPR and CNN seem to be the epicenters of saying incredibly stupid things in very serious voices.
Paulie Krugnuts gives Reich a good run for his money.
Or Dr. Miguelito Quixote Loveless.
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Yes, but if they don't do it the (domestic) terrorists win.
Bloomberg to Deese: Aren't you endangering national security by draining the SPR for the midterms?
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The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia confirms Biden attempted to coerce them to postpone oil cuts until after the midterms, announce they have rejected his quid pro quo
"The Government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia would also like to clarify that based on its belief in the importance of dialogue and exchange of views with its allies and partners outside the OPEC+ group regarding the situation in the oil markets, the Government of the Kingdom clarified through its continuous consultation with the US Administration that all economic analyses indicate that postponing the OPEC+ decision for a month, according to what has been suggested, would have had negative economic consequences."
As I asked above, how bad is the Democrats' internal polling if they have to go crawling to the KSA?
According to the dems, this is an impeachable offense.
Funny how the Big Brains in Biden’s staff thought that flexing against one of the biggest oil producers on the planet, all over a personal rivalry between a foreign glowie mouthpiece and the Saudi royal family that culminated in the mouthpiece’s murder, wouldn’t have any negative consequences.
We’re basically seeing the failures of about 2.5 generations of child-rearing in action, except these ones have strategic geo-political and economic implications.
And doing it while publicly saying their intent is to forever to stop buying their product in the future.
How many years have we had to suck Saudi dick for oil, and now the big tough Democrats are going to make sure we no longer have to? The idiocy of these people is unbelievable. There isn't a swingable voter alive that really believes the shit we are dealing with is the fault of the Saudis or that the Democrats will force them in line with their newfound toughness.
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Alejandro Mayorkas has no shame. The DHS secretary is clearly the winner of this week’s Best Lying Despot Contest
“Email reveals Mayorkas was alerted by DHS’s top public affairs official that the ‘whipping’ narrative behind horseback BP photos wasn’t true, but at a WH press conference 2.5 hours later, he didn’t refute that narrative, instead calling the images ‘horrifying.’”
"New inflation report confirms what consumers know."
That the Biden economy is the best ever? That inflation is just wingnut.com disinformation? That spittin' tobaccy is literally the only item to rise in price since January 2021? That anyone with investments is far better off now than at any time under Trump?
These are the things I know because I pay attention to Reason's leading economic expert.
#DefendBidenAtAllCosts
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Rep. Angie Craig (D): "I will never stop standing up for big pharma and standing against my constituents."
JFree and White Mike nod approvingly
Wtf? This had to be taken out of context, right?
That had to be sarcasm and mocking of her opponent.
I think she just wixed her mords, intending to say the opposite.
She accidentally became the most honest politician in the world for a moment though.
What have those constituents ever done for her? You go grift, Girl.
LMFAO, talk about a Freudian slip.
This was so stunning, I had to look to see what the context was… while there is no wider context-- she said what she said-- I believe this was a gaffe. She MEANT to say, “I will never stop standing up for my constituents, and standing against Big Pharma.”
It was just a little Biden moment for her.
It is, however, one of the funniest gaffes I’ve ever heard.
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Chemjeff looks confused, rifles frantically through sheets looking for a narrative.
VIDEO: Hundreds of Muslims Shut Down School Board Meeting Over LGBTQ+ Book Controversy.
That's different. They are peacefully protesting for the right religion.
Turkey finds its own way.
https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-business/ap-turkey-russia-to-study-putins-gas-hub-proposal/
NATO-member Turkey, which depends on Russian for its energy needs and tourism, has criticized Moscow’s actions in Ukraine but has not joined U.S. and European sanctions against Russia.
It has maintained its close ties with both Moscow and Kyiv and positioned itself as a mediator between the two. Ankara recently helped broker key deals that allowed Ukraine to resume grain exports and led to a prisoner swap between Ukraine and Russia.
America has a hammer and all problems are nails, the rest of the world does not have a hammer and looks for simpler ways to solve problems
The USA found out in the space program that ballpoint pens do not work without gravity, and invented the gas filled cartridge (Fisher Space Pens).
Russia used pencils.
I think it was at the Seattle air and space museum that I saw a Gemini capsule and a Soviet capsule side by side.
The Gemini capsule had a little engraved plaque labeling each and every control. The Soviet had what looked like a last-minute instruction scrawled in marker on a lever by the entry hatch saying something like “NYET TOUCH”.
This is an urban myth. Both NASA and the USSR used pencils in their early missions. But both quickly found out that broken pencil tips and flaked graphite floating around the capsule can be dangerous. The original "Anti Gravity" pen was invented by Fisher- unsolicited- who saw the problem and created it with his own money. Both the Russians and the Americans purchased these pens going forward for about $3 each.
I had a Fisher Space Pen when I was a kid. Coolest pen I ever owned.
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Post Editorial Board: The FBI framed Trump and saved Hunter Biden: it’s time to clean house, for good
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DC's deputy mayor for public safety resigns after being charged with assault
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Pandemic Side Effect? Kids Bombing College Admissions Tests at ‘Particularly Alarming’ Rate
But wait...is it also disproportionately affecting students of color? I feel like its obligatory to include
Skin color is the most important thing.
Everything works like that, JJ. Everything.
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TENNESSEE COURT OF APPEALS: Public Housing Complexes May Not Ban Gun Possession by Tenants.
finally some common sense. soon they will realize you can't ban them anywhere
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As 'ESG' Falters, the Left Seeks to Rebrand
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Mi'kmaw astronomer says we should acknowledge we live under Indigenous skies
'We've barely scratched the surface' when it comes to including Indigenous perspectives in astronomy
You really need the photo of "Mi'kmaw" as probably *The Whitest Guy You Could Possibly Imagine* to really do this post justice. Seriously, with the hipster glasses, the guy makes Jim Gaffigan look ethnic.
I look far more indigenous than he does.
No shit, I'm Sammy Davis Jr compared to this guy.
This. I look like a fucking viking and that guy looks whiter than I do.
That, IMO, is the funniest part about the whole thing. His actual ancestors who were actual natives traversed a planet that would starve and drown them if they wandered astray and settled from Greenland to Scandinavia using the stars. His non-native ancestors circumnavigated the globe, landed on the moon, and deciphered near-light-speed telecommunications using the stars. But we should forget all of that and focus on his adoptive ancestors, that he in no way resembles, and how they used the stars to tell each other stories of how they beat each other and the surrounding wildlife with rocks while they walked back and forth on dry land.
It's like Killmonger from The Black Panther movie saying, "Bury me in the ocean with my ancestors who jumped overboard rather than live as slaves." THEY"RE DEAD AND THE ONLY REASON THERE IS A STORY IS BECAUSE YOU"RE A FREAKING WAKANDAN PRINCE WHOSE MOM"S PARENT"S PARENTS DIDN"T JUMP OVERBOARD YOU FUCKING MORON!
"If peeing your pants is cool, then I'm Miles Davis."
that is funny
Can we respond to these white guilt ridden losers with "just kill yourselves already and get it over with, no one fucking cares"
You can respond any way you want, but they need to fix the climate and end white privelage before they consider snuffing it.
This is important stuff….
What this idiot doesn't realize is that most tribes once they had a new ruler would destroy all past documents so they could re write history in their favor, much like todays democrats. they were George O'rwell long before he existed
Reminds me of a Norm Macdonald quote - "It says here in this history book that; luckily, the good guys have won every single time. What are the odds?"
Mi'kmaw astronomer Hilding Neilson
Scandinavian guilt complex is truly the most renewable resource on the planet.
Bonus word salad shitlibbery:
Yeah, and you know, in all honesty, when we talk about colonization of space in the industry and academia, we are still really talking about colonization in the same way as was done in North America. You know, I've heard CEOs and academics actually brag that we're gonna do space exploration and colonization the same way we settled and, you know, tamed the wild North America. Except now, instead of displacing Indigenous people on land, we're displacing whatever on Mars. And maybe there's life, maybe there isn't, maybe there's life that we don't recognize or do recognize, but you know, we don't know what's there. And as we're continuing out there, we're just using the same colonizing behaviours and efforts as we have for the last few centuries in North America and around the world.
Yeah, colonizing Mars is going to be JUST LIKE that Evil White Colonization.
"I’ve heard CEOs and academics actually brag that we’re gonna do space exploration and colonization the same way we settled and, you know, tamed the wild North America."
Ill file that under things no one actually said to this person.
"maybe there’s life that we don’t recognize or do recognize,"
Really one or the other. And its pretty obvious which one it is.
"we’re just using the same colonizing behaviours and efforts as we have for the last few centuries in North America and around the world."
Except one involves red dirt and the other involved red people. But sure, its exactly the same.
Was this word salad lifted from Kamala btw?
Yeah, colonizing Mars is going to be JUST LIKE that Evil White Colonization.
I really am getting kind of tired of White Christian Colonizers being responsible for problems that pre- and post-date White People, Christianity, and colonialism even in places white people didn't and haven't yet colonized.
“Space, the final frontier.” <— TRIGGER WARNING!!!
I look forward to his Lutefisk recipe in the next edition of Pow Wow Chow. Ugh.
It's even worse. He's Scanadanavian.
Reason Rundown
They're the privileged they pretend to rail against
The Democrats’ Contempt for the Poor
OH NOES! SQRLSY hurt most!
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3687315-fda-warns-of-adderall-shortage/
Teva Pharmaceuticals, the largest U.S. supplier of Adderall, has been dealing with an ongoing supply disruptions since at least August. The FDA on Wednesday said the company was “experiencing ongoing intermittent manufacturing delays.”
Reason Rundown
Chemjeff smiles
AMA, CHP, AAP want to imprison those who disagree with childhood genital mutilation
Mike Liarson ignores.
Cite?
"So this law is telling you do not abuse your children because they are LGBTQ.""
Getting actual medical care = abuse
Mutilating children = adequate care to this ghoul.
I read that and the Bill Burr sketch about the wife-abuser slamming the silverware drawer closed on his wife's head popped into my mind. Like there's someone out there slamming their kid's head in the silverware drawer who's going to go "Oh, I thought that was OK because they were gay!" And, to be clear, even if that were the case, fuck passing a law to send a message.
The bill is bonkers.
One thing I’ve learned over the years, though, reading political news is not to react too much to stories that start with some legislator “has introduced a bill…” Lots of crazy shit gets proposed in legislatures across the country, and most is it dies in committee.
In this case the nutcase legislator is holding press conferences before even submitting the bill.
Funny that this "Let's be temperate here" response comes from Mike when the bonkers bill being proposed is Democrat in origin. Yesterday, when a right-leaning bill was proposed, Mike was happy to jump right into the fight.
Am reminded of the Naked Gun scene: "Move along. Nothing to see here."
Which I did not say.
“Am reminded of”
No, you just decided to try and swing your dick around, harrumphing at anyone who didn’t disagree with the Michigan bill.
Because you’re TOTALLY principled and non-partisan.
its a pattern that is repeated amongst all the left wingers that frequent
Reason Rundown
The FBI would be right on it but they're busy swatting Grandma's house for dangerous 'Choose Life' signs
‘Kill All Christian Nationalists’: Vandals Trash Michigan Catholic Church With Pro-Abortion Graffiti
‘Kill All Christian Nationalists’
Someone has been reading too much recent Reason Magazine apparently.
Sounds like a Buttplug rant,
Wait, how can Catholics be nationalists? I thought the usual anti-Catholic ranting was that they were beholden to the Pope.
And isn't the Pope globalist now?
we are talking about not only physical abuse or mental abuse
Child-on-parent temporal abuse has run in my family for generations.
“Oil protesters throw soup on Van Gogh's Sunflowers painting”
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-63254878
These protestors are majorly confused about how things work: they are simultaneously protesting the continued use of oil, and that people are having trouble staying warm.
Tomato soup on sunflowers? If they're going to do that they should at least try a flavor combination that won't suck. Like squash soup. That tastes good with sunflower seeds on top.
I would have liked to be a fly on the wall during the brainstorming meeting where they came up with this plan.
It would take a loose definition of brainpower to call any planning for that stunt brainstorming.
There was a fly on the wall, but it got covered by the glue and the hand of one of those idiots. Is that really what you want?
You weird, man.
next up, sunflowers on Warhol's soup
I noticed that too. It was next level crazy.
"No more oil! People can't even afford to heat a can of soup!"
"After this, let's go sit in the road and block trucks trying to bring supplies to stores!"
Was it an oil painting?
Just saw a video of the protestors. They look remarkably like Team Rocket from Pokemon.
Ctrl+F "desantis" = 0
Come on, Koch-funded libertarians. There must be some damaging news about our least favorite governor. There must be some way we can hurt him and boost Liz Cheney — and restore the GOP to its far more respectable early 2000s neocon incarnation.
#LizCheney2024
No news from Florida because no one is there. Everyone is either dead from the hurricanes Desantis caused through his climate denial or they've been bused out to one of the major cities to be later picked up by the military, detained and forgotten.
"disproportionately affecting families of color"
"reported NBC News and ProPublica"
how...expected
UN Deletes Article Touting ‘Benefits’ of World Hunger: ‘Hungry People Are the Most Productive People’
https://www.mediaite.com/news/un-deletes-article-touting-benefits-of-world-hunger-hungry-people-are-the-most-productive-people/
You will own nothing and be happy!
Yes, we are in a famine, and that's a good thing
Hungry People Are the Most Productive People
Cheaper, too.
https://pjmedia.com/culture/megan-fox/2022/10/13/watch-hundreds-of-muslims-shut-down-school-board-meeting-over-lgbtq-book-controversy-n1636713
The title to the above article will not post, with or without the link. Wonder why?
Oh man, it’s a woke-off! Who will emerge champion as the progressive’s most oppressed group? Which side will check its privilege first?
Trans is top of the totem at the moment. More money involved.
Democrats taking another chance for a hard alliance with big pharma to rake in money
Look forward to Pelosi's husband getting in on the ground floor with whatever company gets the new expensive hormone drug going.
There is a massive untapped market of kids NOT taking hormone drugs plus whatever else big pharma can get them on, and the dems want a piece of that pie
The first question is interesting. The second question is not.
One side is all about their cause unless it means they'll miss a parade or brunch at a cafe. The other side is about their cause even if it means going to a parade or visiting a roadside cafe.
I wonder whether they'll be called "terrorists."
Inflation is proving to be more resilient — and more troubling — than
manyonly Biden's handlers and Blue-Anon had hoped or forecast.For pretty much everyone else, inflation is about as bad as expected and the dubiously named Inflation Reduction Act predictably did nothing.
Biden has recently assured me that we have to keep the democrats in office because R's would make inflation worse.
Because apparently the main product of the WH is dirty diapers and gaslighting
That sounds like an explosive combination.
National engineering licensing board goes woke.
The following excerpt is from an e-mail sent by the Florida Board of Professional Engineers on 10/13/22:
"A Message From the Florida Board of Professional Engineers
An article titled “What Exactly Is DEI?” was issued by Board staff in the FBPE October 2022 quarterly newsletter. This article discussed a recent change to policy at the annual convention for the National Council for the Examination of Engineers and Surveyors (NCEES) where the existing position on encouraging diversity without discrimination was replaced with a new position regarding diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI), and mentioned this is a good and necessary thing.
This article does not reflect the official position and the content included therein is not supported by the FBPE.
The article failed to mention that FBPE led the opposition and voted against the DEI position and the new language. The mission of NCEES is to advance licensure for engineers and surveyors in order to safeguard the health, safety, and welfare of the public. The proposed DEI position added a commitment to advancing licensure through equity and inclusion while removing its mission of “safeguarding the health, safety, and welfare of the public."
FBPE presented the following position:
That DEI is a highly politicized item in the current social and political climate, and that the NCEES organization should strive to remain politically neutral from these types of current influences.
A commitment to equity and inclusion without maintaining its own mission does not safeguard the health, safety, and welfare of the public.
FBPE encourages diversity, providing equal opportunities for all without any type of discrimination, while maintaining the mission to safeguard the health, safety, and welfare of the public.
The majority of the other state boards voted against Florida’s position and in favor of the proposed language, so the DEI position was ultimately adopted by NCEES."
Great, DEI is now a more important goal in the licensing of Engineers than the public's health, safety and welfare. The latter being the only semi-justifiable reason to have licensure at all.
They spelled DIE wrong - - - - - - - - -
where the existing position on encouraging diversity without discrimination was replaced with a new position regarding diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI)
I know I'm pointing out the obvious, but it's still so strange to see it just written out that the without discrimination part of the statement was so offensive to them.
You should read that again. It was the *removal* of the "diversity without discrimination" in favor of the DIE language that was objected to.
So you're not really pointing out the obvious.
That’s nuts.
Wonder if DeSantis is aware this occurred under his watch. Too busy flying asylees from Texas to Massachusetts.
DeSantis was the pilot?
You did notice the Florida Board opposed the language change in the national organization but were outvoted?
Doesn’t matter. She saw a chance to attack Desantis and took it.
Yes. I read that part.
Unless DeSantis is on the Florida board or something, how is it relevant to my taking a cheap shot at DeSantis?
Explain why you took a cheap shot at him when you now say he had no involvement.
Hint. This is why you're called a Democrat.
Your cheap shot wasn’t even relevant you absolute knob.
Because your cheap shot made no sense as I expect DeSantis broadly agrees with the Florida Board's stance on this issue.
The cheap shot, which I admit was just a silly cheap shot, is that he didn’t do anything to head it off.
I am at a loss at what you could possibly mean by this. This is about the vote taken by the national organization. I have no idea what DeSantis "heading it off" would look like.
Show-trial continues:
"Trump to Be Subpoenaed by Jan. 6 Panel as the ‘Central Cause’ of Capitol Insurrection"
https://www.govexec.com/oversight/2022/10/trump-be-subpoenaed-jan-6-panel-central-cause-capitol-insurrection/378441/
Liz Cheney says the walls are closing in. And it's a left-wing report; they can't spell "protest".
Bombshell!
Seriously, though, do they really think giving Trump a national podium is a good idea?
I think they expect he'll either (1) refuse to show up, in which case they can bring contempt charges and Garland will give him the perp-walk or (2) they'll get three hours of him pleading the 5th over and over.
I think #1 would backfire spectacularly, just as the raid on Mar-a-Lago did. However, if Trump does show up, there's no guarantee he'll actually answer any of the questions asked. He could just respond with completely unrelated diatribes and insults, in usual Trump fashion. That won him the presidency back in 2016.
"Seriously, though, do they really think giving Trump a national podium is a good idea?"
Hard to tell; the only people watching this are the TDS-addled late-night TV hosts, hoping to get some dirt.
I don't know, if Trump did show up, I might tune in just to watch him run his mouth and drive them all bonkers.
You won't get a chance. They never put the witnesses up in front of the cameras until the staff has taken their deposition (i.e., interrogated them out of public view) so they know exactly what the witness will say when they turn on the cameras, and so they can decide whether public testimony would be harmful to their narrative.
When the Watergate Committee deposed G. Gordon Liddy, they started by swearing him in, and when Chairman Ervin asked him "Do you solemnly swear that the evidence you will give the Committee will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?", Liddy simply answered, "No." (Threatening him with a contempt charge was a waste of time, as he was already serving a 20-year sentence for the Watergate burglary.) That was a witness that the Committee decided they didn't want testifying publicly. I suspect Trump would be the same.
" (1) refuse to show up, in which case they can bring contempt charges and Garland will give him the perp-walk"
They're DYING to arrest him for anything, and this is all they have- a thin hope that he won't show up. As if contempt of Congress would somehow damage him. Everyone holds Congress in contempt these days.
isnt Eric Holder still in contempt of congress?
Yes, so is Louis Lerner and Clinton aide Bryan Pagliano.
Hell, he basically ran on his contempt for Congress and it worked out swimmingly for him.
They had to do something to boost ratings on their crappy tv show.
Trump could respond with questions of them like
why don't you ask Nancy why she wouldn't allow the NG like i requested
or
the police were informed of potential problems why didn't they prepare
Trump could really make them into the clown show that they are
If he did show up he would most likely go apeshit. It would be a festivus level airing of grievances being that he has been relatively quiet for so long.
I dont think he would respond to a single thing asked, most likely a mix of the 5th, privilege, and ranting about the corrupt democrats.
Probably would be the only time this hollywood production would get any ratings. And god knows the MSM desperately misses their trump-era ratings
Yeah, that's what I think would happen, though I doubt he would take the 5th at all. The Democrats desperately want him on video, even once, taking the 5th or doing anything that would suggest criminality. If he shows up, it will be to call out their bullshit until they cut his mic.
I thought they were cancelling that show after the ratings last season where it got beat by several local-access cable channel shows broadcast from basements.
JTF.ORG from Queens was one of my favorites. Completely bonkers. A real treat.
DO IT.
Trump with a microphone facing the junta's puppets will be glorious.
It's like they can't somehow can't remember the 2016 debates. They'll be cutting his mic every 30 seconds.
Virginia lawmaker wants to criminalize parents who don't affirm child's gender identity.
Fortunately, Virginia's legislature and governor both went red in the last election, so idiot bill by random progressive retard from Woodbridge has zero chance of becoming law.
A new investigative series looks at child welfare system deficiencies, from mandatory reporting laws to child protective services search policies. It finds that policies meant to protect kids may be putting them and their families in harm's way.
Biden's fault.
Yesterday, Reason reported on an atrocious Michigan bill that would define gender transition treatment for minors as child abuse.
Also Biden's fault.
Virginia is now considering a bit of ridiculous overreach in the opposite direction. WJLA reports that "Virginia parents could face a felony or misdemeanor charge if they do not affirm their child's sexual orientation and gender identity, according to a state lawmaker with plans to introduce the legislation in Virginia's upcoming legislative session."
Also Biden's fault.
The cost of everything from food to health care continued to go up last month, according to the latest Bureau of Labor Statistics data.
Also Biden's fault.
For 2+ years I’ve been researching the case of CJ Rice, whom my pediatrician dad says was physically incapable of committing the crime for which he’s doing up to 60 years in prison…
The injustice is actually much worse than I thought:
Also Biden's fault.
Insightful and hilarious! You are a true asset to the Reason comment section!
Weird how nobody mentioned Biden with any of those stories except you.
Obsessive?
BIASED!
BIASED!
Again, too long. You're reaching SQRLSY territory with overly-long trolling posts. Trim it up. Brevity of the soul of wit and all that.
This comment is biased.
Goddammit, chemjeff, you just don't get it.
All that is bullshit. What will really decide this election is tranny policy, girls restrooms, and the price of Jello shooters.
BIDEN DONT LET US DRILL FER ORL !!!!!
Of course, not your rig count.
Or smokeless tobacco inflation.
Buttplug is fighting inflation by only using child size sex dolls.
Lying Jeffy goes full sarc. Sad.
Not really sad, in fact I'm having a bit of a chuckle.
I was going to say put a sock in it but that would be redundant...
Wow, who broke you lil buddy?
Ain't it great that the mystical prohibitionist girl-bullying Trumpanzees can always find someone else to blame for stirring women voters to defenstrate Republican National Socialists? Shouting WE WUZ ROBBED is their best virtue.
After making up a very small number of new deportation cases, Venezuelans saw dramatic month-over-month increases from the start of the Biden administration to now, from 363 in January 2021 to nearly 15,000 in a single month at the end of the year.
But remember, Biden supports open borders.
Well, they got deported from MV awfully quickly. Maybe they were sent to other sanctuary localities.
But Biden totally supports open borders, right?
Biden, like all of the establishment, supports *illegal immigration*.
He literally invited illegals to start coming in his acceptance speech.
He has the power to change the immigration quotas at a whim. Yet he does not.
Neither did Obama.
Both parties establishment candidates appear to strongly favor huge influxes of illegal immigrants who cannot legally work.
This is not something to be praised. It is an undeniably evil policy. And the left has been the prime movers on getting more illegals here and keeping them here, so they get the lions share of the blame, even though the establishment right has absolutely no interest in changing it either (as we saw when Bush attempted to fix it when he was president. Both parties shunned his plan like it had leprosy)
Real libertarians like it when Guatemalans drown in the Rio Grande.
I'd like to know how anyone *manages* to drown in a river that wouldn't get my shins wet.
Maybe the real Mexicans sneaking in are using them as stepping stones.
2 million illegals can't be wrong, right?
certainly they were sent to NYC, San Fran, or Chicago. All those lefties clamoring for sanctuary status and unlimited immigration must have welcomed them with open arms.
They definitely wouldn't IMMEDIATELY declare it an emergency after 5 minutes, say it was an unsustainable strain on their safety net, and ship them into military cages. That would be an icky republican thing to do. Imagine the AOC tears!
Not all that quickly. The asylees were there nearly 48 hours, being fed free pizza and put up overnight in a church.
Even if true people of Martha’s Vineyard are posturing hypocrites, they were savvy enough to know a lot of attention was being paid to how they responded to DeSantis’ stunt.
Kicking them out under military pressure within 2 days is not exactly a good look. Definitely showed what a fraud "sanctuary city" laws are,
Quite easy to profess support for something that has no bearing on you. The moment it DOES impact, they change their views.
In most eyes, that'd be textbook hypocrisy.
most people can tolerate their inlaws for a weekend too.
They only wish they could evict them with the military as fast as the dems did the immigrants they swear should get sanctuary status (in a border state that foots the bill, of course)
“military pressure”?
The National Guard sent out three buses to take the asylees to a different location where there were social services. Seems a bit spinny yo call that “military pressure”.
If you are an illegal and the national guard tells you to do something, what would you call it.
"Gentle military suggestion" ?
Were they offered a choice or told to get on the bus?
If told by the National Guard to get on the bus it would be military pressure.
"The asylees were there nearly 48 hours"
There goes White Mike, conveniently ignoring the meaning of the word "sanctuary".
That doesn’t actually make them look better. But then you’re White Mike, so no enemies to the left.
Oh. That totally counters the 2.5 million who have been known to cross this year.
Wonder why Venezuelans?
Hmm. I wonder
https://youtu.be/za1Nk7g-bgY?t=58
NOT TO PEOPLE WITH PLANT LEAVES HE DOESN'T.
The Biden administration is extending the pandemic emergency designation through January 11, 2023—despite President Joe Biden recently declaring that the pandemic is over.
So, this is actually Biden's fault. But expect the usual brigade to focus on culture war crap and blaming Biden for everything rather than focusing on the important issues.
Hmm, the ability of his student loan forgiveness decree to hold up to legal challenges probably depends on the emergency designation continuing. I wonder what other Executive actions hinge on this.
The student loan forgiveness program is craftily designed to be nearly impossible for a plaintiff to have standing. Legal groups have been pretty hard pressed to get past that hump.
Theyve changed it twice already to deny standing.
Possibly. Or he doesn't want the bad PR that comes from an announcement that the emergency powers are over, because that means he's ignoring everyone who dies from COVID or something.
Yup, that is why. He does not like having extra powers --- he just worries about the COVID deaths the press has stopped covering since about 1/20/21.
What ever happened to that daily ticker? I wonder when they took that off...(seriously, when did they?)
It took them about as long to take it down as the daily Iraq/Afghanistan soldier death ticker when Obama was sworn in.
My thought too. The student loan program is tied to the emergency order.
Only person blaming Biden for stuff like that VA legislation is, well, you.
Notice chemtard's typical desperate deflection from "culture war crap," because he absolutely hates it when the right pushes back against the left in any facet in that arena.
If the left is complaining about "pointless culture war issues," that means it's time to hammer them even harder on those issues, not agree that it's pointless, because they never argue in good faith. Ever.
and its always crickets when the left is desperately pushing a culture war issue, but when the right reacts and says cut it the fuck out, thats when its a moral panic, thats when all of a sudden lets not focus on the culture war, thats when its an over reaction.
Always in one direction
If the left is complaining about “pointless culture war issues,” it also means they are losing on those issues. The left is always the aggressor in the culture wars. Then whenever the right pushes back, the left either claims the right started it or if they are losing say it is pointless and just the right pouncing on insignificant issues.
It is as pathetic as it is transparently dishonest.
“The left is always the aggressor in the culture wars.”
Not buying that.
Show me a case where they are not. Name one culture issue that doesn't involve the left trying to destroy an existing cultural norm and replace it with something more to their liking. There isn't one.
You don't buy it because you don't like it. Too bad.
The supposed “War on Christmas”. Totally made up bugaboo started by Bill O’Reilly.
Reaching back a long ways for this one.
Separation of church and state. The long-standing norm in American society is that government should be secular, with a “wall” between church and state.
Now we have culture warriors such as MTG saying we should be a Christian nation with no such separation.
It's fucking hilarious that, in the same comment section, chemtard is complaining about the right being "reactionary" while Laursen is claiming that the left isn't the aggressor.
The left has installed the Church of Woke as the de facto national religion. You can't recognize it as such because you believe the left to be resolutely secular, one of the many received ideas you'll never question. But sure, MTG, a person who embarrasses many Republicans, is the greater threat to the separation of church and state.
Replacement theory. It has long been an American norm belief that part of our national greatness is our welcoming of immigrants and the “melting pot”. Now, the right has come up with the culture war idea that non-whites are being brought in the country to outnumber them and wipe out white culture.
Now, the right has come up with the culture war idea that non-whites are being brought in the country to outnumber them and wipe out white culture.
Probably because the left has openly bragged about doing so.
For decades.
The right didn't come up with this idea. The left did, aeons ago. Also, are you really unaware the new left think the "melting pot" idea is white supremacist?
Note the framing: Biden does something stupid, people on the right at fault. The consistent theme of all leftists is to minimize the left's culpability and focus attention on the right. This is how propaganda works.
Jeff has explicitly said that he's "anti-rightist," which is why he gets so pissed off when the right pushes back against his lefty boos. See the Oberlin judgement, for example.
But he’s not a lefty! And he’s also very honest.
I wonder what he was pretending to be at Ace of Spades where he was eventually booted?
You know who else did an Anti-Rightist Campaign?
Tulsi Gabbard, who supports Bernie Sanders on all economic and spending issues, is now #3 in the odds for the GOP presidential nomination for 2024.
And you fucking Peanuts still think the GOP isn't a Big Government party?
GOP motto = "Big Government for me but not for thee".
"is now #3 in the odds for the GOP presidential nomination for 2024."
Where is she the #3 possible choice?
I was just reading a novel from 25 years ago that touched on this very topic. Two characters were debating the evils of dictatorship, and the point was made:
Look around you at the results of democracy! The people vote.. last election they chose between (two candidates).... But the compliant press told the people who the two serious candidates were. Everyone else was excluded and eliminated as "unserious". So the people were given a choice between two candidates who would do the bidding of the rich and powerful. And look at the incompetence that results. Do you really think (leader) is the best leader in the country?
************
It was a pretty prescient argument, having been written long before we learned that the national parties were working with the media to choose candidates and rig debates. Long before we saw the extreme manipulation of press and debate coverage to eliminate strong non-establishment candidates like Gabbard.
What was the novel?
Tulsi Gabbard has overtaken former Vice President Mike Pence as third favorite to win the Republican nomination for the 2024 election after leaving the Democratic Party, bookmakers have said.
Gabbard, a former congressman for Hawaii who unsuccessfully ran for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020, announced she was leaving the party on Tuesday, branding it an "an elitist cabal of warmongers."
Her comments prompted speculation that she would soon declare her intention to run for president as a Republican candidate, or even join Donald Trump as his running mate for his expected attempt to return to the White House.
Newsweek
Mike pence is a favorite for the Republican nomination?
Are they high?
Wow. The establishment - media complex is arrogant. They really think they can pull that off? I suppose they still think they can get Harris on the top line of the ticket too.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/usa-presidential-election-2024/republican-nominee-betting-1.178163916#!
Feel free to find her name.
Betfair is specifically who Newsweek cited, in case you didn't read your link.
I didn't visit Betfair to see since I have no interest in a bet.
There is no telling what kind of Roy Moore lunatic or Herschel Walker dumb-ass the GOP finds before 2024.
In other words, you parrot and do no research on your own.
"I didn’t visit Betfair to see since I have no interest in a bet."
When somebody posts a link that is lying, they might feel a bit of irritation that their trusted source lied to them. Not you, though.
I even provided the exact site for you. Literally could not make it easier for you.
"There is no telling what kind of Roy Moore lunatic or Herschel Walker dumb-ass the GOP finds before 2024."
Oh, the "SQUIRREL!" approach. Better than "Want to get in my van? I have candy" approach you've used traditionally.
Yet you posted this link and spewed bullshit about it.
Do you realize the entire commentariat thinks you’re a joke? And that you were banned for posting links to child pornography.
She would've made a great candidate for something like the 2016 LP.
Yeah, the modern Team Red is just angry and reactionary. They yell and shout and vote for the candidate who also is as yelly and shouty as they are. Policy and principles don't matter. All that matters is that THEIR righteous anger be heard and THEY are in charge.
Did you see your attempted strawman a few posts up? Lol.
When you are shouting 'amen' to the only known purveyor of child porn on the commentariat, maybe consider its not the best choir to be a part of.
Like if I found myself in full agreement with Misek on any topic at all, I dont think I could give him a high 5 just based on principle.
Given what chemtard thinks of child genital mutilation and Buttplug's child porn, they kind of fit together as peas in a sick pod.
Particularly his support of allowing child molesters to claim refugee status.
Not just claim asylum status but claim it and be released into public on a promise to show some day for a hearing.
Not to worry—When Herr Misek raises his right arm it is NOT to give anyone a high five.
Yeah, the modern Team Red is just angry and reactionary.
chemtard HATES it when the right pushes back against his lefty boos. You'd think someone who studied chemistry would be aware that an intense reaction doesn't happen without a catalyst.
That his link is a lie and that I posted the link to the exact betting site Newsweek falsely claimed stated this, I assume, will not impact your take here, will it?
Haha, his link was a lie, so of course Lying Jeffy agrees with it. Good job Lying Jeffy.
And you fucking Peanuts still think the GOP isn’t a Big Government party?
Literally nobody here thinks that. Many believe that the GOP is currently a more liberty-oriented party than the LP or the Democrats, while recognizing that the GOP and many of its high-ranking members are also enemies to liberty.
Maybe you should stop spending so much time at NAMBLA meetings and learn to read instead, pedo.
Many believe that the GOP is currently a more liberty-oriented party than the LP
lol right
the GOP is more "liberty-oriented" than the libertarians, right after they ban gay talk in schools, ban transgender therapies, ban abortions, ban even talking about abortions, ban travel across state lines to get abortions, and have a complete hard-on for making life as difficult as possible for those dirty brown migrants who come here to steal jobs, mooch on welfare, and vote for Marxists.
yeah, totes more "liberty-oriented"
Just say you support Team Red because they are socially conservative like you are, at least that would be honest. Don't try to gaslight people into delusions like they are "liberty-oriented".
Gop actually supports transgender therapy. They don't support transgender mutilation. Are you ever honest?
GOP is coming down on the more rational side on all the issues.
On climate the dems, like the EU, want to completely fuck our energy grid and energy independence because their religion demands sacrifice to mother Gaia. The R's are coming around to pushing nuclear as it would greatly increase energy independence and its just an all around good idea.
On the trans insanity, the dems are pushing for child mutilation and grooming. The R's acknowledge that gender dysphoria is real, and that permanent changes should wait until the person is an adult and can make a rational decision, and also they should get therapy/counseling.
There is a reason the left is bleeding independents. They have taken up the most activist extreme positions while the R's remain closer to the middle.
There is a reason the left is bleeding independents. They have taken up the most activist extreme positions while the R’s remain closer to the middle.
Blacks and Hispanics, especially black men, are leaving the Democratic party in droves. It must be all that white supremacy in the Republican party that is enticing them.
Men as a group will be leaving the democrats more, as so much of their bullshit activism demonizes men and masculinity and glorifies femininity.
Hispanic men are fleeing fast. A lot of hispanic women still have conservative values and arent on board with the white leftist insanity.
Black men are starting to see the dems arent their friends. But itll take some time, as subservience to democrats is so baked in at this point.
Black women likely wont be moving much, as they are basically given god status by the dems. The level of fetishizing of women of color (as the ultimate victim) is too flattering, too tempting after frankly getting a bad shake. They wont be leaving the plantation
I agree to an extent. But I think many women of color are beginning to see more and more often lately how the congregants of the CoW react if they put even a toe out of line. Many women of color are no more down with gender/queer ideology than other women. Also, many women of color find the fetishization to be creepy and dehumanizing. A couple things keep many women (of color or not) on the res. One is the idea that however atrocious the left is, the right is far worse. Even that idea, however, has begun to erode. The more powerful factor is dependence on other people's money.
I forgot a third factor: the tendency of women to be very friendly to a security state that appears to privilege their safety and security (regardless of whether it actually does).
It isnt just the GOP. Most of Europe is also pulling back from surgery and drugs as a first resort as longer term studies are showing more harm than good. That is why people like jeff and other leftists keep pushing minimal time improvements on suicide rates, ignoring they increase in longer timeliness studies. Britain and Sweden who were at the forefront of the movement are drastically going back to therapy first.
The first study that showed improvements for suicide and depression used long term therapy and selection for their study. To ensure kids were actually transgender. It shows even then that improvements in mental health were minimal the longer they monitored.
But the US policy of drugs and surgery first is showing no improvement after just a few years post treatment while also seeing regret rates push into the 30% rates. There is a reason so many detransition stories exist now, but the media seeks to silence this fact.
Oh heavens! They talk about banning baby murders! How unlibertarian!
Jeff is mostly upset this is denying kids the ability to fuck adults under the same methods of argumentation.
ban gay talk in schools
Didn't happen
ban transgender therapies, ban abortions
My bad. Mutilating kids and dismembering babies are the most fundamental of all rights.
ban even talking about abortions, ban travel across state lines to get abortions
I've criticized both of these policies as stupid, counterproductive, and unconstitutional. Even in my above comment, I said they are more liberty-oriented than the useless party and the marxist party, not that they were actual libertarians.
have a complete hard-on for making life as difficult as possible for those dirty brown migrants who come here to steal jobs, mooch on welfare, and vote for Marxists.
As opposed to the beneficent human-trafficking, fentanyl-trafficking, and kids in cages that Biden and his old boss promote?
It is Democrats who have moved to ban talking about abortion across the country.
They are fighting to ban anti-abortion organizations who arrange adoptions. They don't want women who face "their choice" to know that this is a viable option.
Elizabeth Warren has made it her personal crusade to shut down every pregnancy crisis center in the country. Apparently, if you can't kill the baby inside of you, you can't any other form of charity, either.
To be fair, I heartily encourage all people who vote Democrat to abort their children, so the human race isn't polluted by their cloven-hoofed spawn.
They can make the process a lot faster and more permanent by simply aborting themselves as well...
You notice jeff still can't be honest about the arguments against rampant illegal immigration. About it being about costs? Absent a welfare state most would be fine with worker migration. That's not the current state of society. Jeff never brings up the welfare issue while screaming for open borders.
He also (deliberately) makes no distinction between legal and illegal immigration in order to confuse the issue. Legal immigration is fine; illegal is not. It’s not difficult. Even most legal Hispanic immigrants agree with that.
I don’t call him Lying Jeffy for nothing.
Which is more liberty-oriented: banning speech, or not banning speech?
Which is more liberty-oriented: stopping freedom of association, or protecting freedom of association?
Which is more liberty-oriented: more government regulation of health care, or less government regulation of health care?
That is the problem with you social conservatives - you talk yourselves into thinking that "liberty" only means "the freedom of people to do things that I don't find to be immoral". To defend liberty for its own sake means defending the liberty of people to make choices that you personally disapprove of. And social conservatives, by and large, just can't do that. Because their entire conception of liberty rests within an inherently moralistic framework.
Because their entire conception of liberty rests within an inherently moralistic framework
In your words, Jeff. Isn't this the very definition of the NAP?
So why can't I choose to my moralistic views for my children and also refuse to adhere to your views of how my children should be informed if I have to foot the bill for it?
Okay, groomer.
right after they ban gay talk in schools,
The way CJ lies is revealing. The conflict is about gender dysphoria and fake genders. But the left knows their fake gender nonsense doesn't convince the public so they pretend it's about being gay. CJ repeats this because however much he denies being a leftist he instinctively accepts their propaganda even when it is obviously false.
You can learn a lot about people just by paying attention.
“ban gay talk in schools”
When you start off with a giant fucking lie, it’s hard to take anything else you say seriously.
is now #3 in the odds for the GOP presidential nomination for 2024.
Whose odds? What does this even mean, Pluggo?
Third place means nothing.
What the hicklib pederast avoids in trying to pimp what the Democrat-voting media has been spouting lately, is that if the Surf Mommy actually ran, she wouldn’t get the nomination. She’s been really good at hiding her powerlevel, but that would come out if she did decide to run. About the only thing the right really agrees with her on at the moment is non-interventionism, and even her complaints about wokeism come off as Democratic deflections about the culture war. The odds of her being named as a VP candidate are pretty high, though.
The hilarious part is that this is all just part of the great realignment taking place that I’ve been pointing out here for several years now, with nationalists lining up against globalists. “Conservative” and “liberal” are dead labels now, because the right finally broke from the gentleman’s agreement to only focus on easily-engaged issues like tax cuts, defense spending, and gun ownership to focus on the effects of broader socio-economic issues wrought by public-private partnerships and globalist social engineering schemes.
"Globalist", WEF, and "Soros" are code words for Jew bankers so you're not fooling anyone.
You John Birchers never change.
But this time you added Bill Gates to your CT. You know, all those vaccines he is buying is really a plot to cull human population.
“Globalist”, WEF, and “Soros” are code words for Jew bankers so you’re not fooling anyone.
If you hear a dog whistle, you hicklib pederast, that means you're a dog.
The rest of your post is just the same old shitlib cope.
For Shrike the phrase "dogwhistle" does all the work.
It allows him to attribute (lie) a position to someone at odds with what they actually said.
The ultimate bad faith argument.
Totally predictable; turd lies.
Is Buttplug peddling antisemitism to go with the child porn now? Bitching about "Jew Bankers" like that? Yikes. Not a good look, Buttplug.
Klaus Schwab is Jewish? His father was a Nazi collaborator. George Soros ALSO was a Nazi collaborator.
Weird how you side with Nazi collaborators.
Not just a collaborator, George Soros had a Nazi Party Youth membership. He was an actual Nazi. And he's who Shrike idolizes as a purported mentor.
Schwab's family were actual Nazi too.
But look at Shrike pretend it's antisemitic to criticize Nazis. He's a living joke.
And of course, he vanished in a poof of coom after I owned him like a Turk in the Balkans.
“Globalist”, WEF, and “Soros” are code words for Jew bankers
No they aren't, you lying kiddie fucker.
Standing in the room flicking the light switch up and down right in front of you while telling you that you are crazy if you think the lights are flickering. That is a bold move.
Those are all real people that exist independent of race. The person asserting they are code words is the one being racist.
Nobody believes your lies.
Things have certainly changed since my youth, when the right was thought to have a powerful hard-on for intervention abroad, and it was the left who was saying, “Come home, America!” Maybe Tulsi Gabbard is just a McGovern Democrat who hasn’t gotten the memo on how the party has moved on.
She was a Bernie supporter who resigned her DNC post after the email dump showed how the DNC had deliberately undermined Bernie's campaign in 2016. She ironically showed what a fucking jobber Bernie actually was with that move.
DeSantis/Gabbard would make a pretty strong ticket. Lots of appeal.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
OOOh! You'll have to change your moniker.
"If social workers are by and large earnest, gentle, well-intentioned individuals, they are also unavoidably narcs, bound by laws demanding that they rat on the very communities they're supposed to help."
Excellent ending line by Elizabeth Nolan Brown
Except they are, by and large, fascists who hate everyone in the world except themselves and their masters.
Weird that all these articles about child protective services are appearing now. Every news organization has a version of this story in the last 2 days.
NBC had a big piece yesterday about reforms in Connecticut (?). They heaped praise upon the new administrator who had instituted reforms that reunited families and reduced the number of kids in foster care by 40%. This was presented as an unalloyed good.
Here is the problem: they have zero information indicating that this is either good or bad. The did zero reporting on the criteria being used or how it had changed, just that too many kids were in foster care, it was hurting families. They were too eager to intervene and it was probably because of systemic racism.
And the new reforms are truly new. She basically reduced the caseload in half during the last year. So we do not know how many of those kids are being returned to abusive and dangerous conditions. Is it zero? If so, how many more should never have been in the system? Is it hundreds? If so, she is a monster.
But NBC has her pegged as a national hero, a person of unquestionably great character who should be emulated everywhere.
This is obviously a coordinated campaign. These news organizations all prepared these stories over weeks, leading up to a coordinated release yesterday.
Who? Why? How?
Forgetting that I am on their side on this one, I find it more interesting that there is a puppet master out there who is able to mobilize national news outlets to do a coordinated propaganda push on a social agenda item.. successfully... Without any of them reporting on "the National Children's Network is pushing 'child awareness week ' ".
Laying groundwork for a German-style orphanage-to-pedophile pipeline?
Right up chemtard's and Buttplug's alley.
Similar accusations were made against England when London kids were transported to the countryside and small towns to escape Nazi blitz bombings.
better thousands of innocent parents be hassled by the state than one abusive parent go free.
I love the concept of "core inflation".
Just take out the two biggest expenses every single person HAS to spend money on, and inflation goes down.
So I guess next we take out housing, then clothes?
If we take out everything, inflation will be zero, right?
Because those two components are so volatile.
Since crude oil peaked at $147/bbl when Dumbya was president and his war on drilling was in place we have oil DEFLATION with Biden and $89 oil.
BUSH WAS FER HIGH ORL PRICES !!!!!!
Next time, open your mouth a little wider when you rant.
Why did Dubya hate oil and make the price go so high?
Was it his Green New Deal?
GODDAMN BIDENS GREEN NEW DEAL MAKIN ORL GO SO HIGH.
Maybe you should do some real research on it rather than attending NAMBLA meetings and fapping off to some kid.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
I wonder how the courts would rule if a parent charged with not "affirming" their delusional child would rule about a DNA sample being introduced into evidence.
Would a judge have the balls to rule DNA evidence is not reliable?
My gender is “citizen of a headless legislature”. I demand surgical affirmation of my gender. I’m still working on my pronouns.
I probably should ask over at the VC, but has any "mandatory reporter" ever sued about compelled speech?
>>The Biden administration is extending ... despite President Joe Biden recently declaring
other Administrations did things exactly opposite than their namesakes said out loud?
Joe Biden versus Joe Biden's Handlers. He goes off script rather often.
one Alexander Haig was terrifying enough.
Instead, we have Ron Klain, Shadow President.
Which explains why the total annihilation of Trump is so critical. Everyone else knows to stay in their lane. Make the speech. Say the words. Raise the funds. Do as you are told.
Remember the foreign policy functionary who reported trump having a problematic phone call... He said the president did not follow his instructions for what to say.. and they literally quoted this as a reason to remove him from office.
You do like Bush. You go to war for regime change even though you were personally against exactly that sort of thing. You do like Obama... You sign the bill, regardless of what it says. You personally kill Constellation, then proudly sign SLS into law, despite being worse and more expensive. Because they told you to.
You do like Biden. Let the kids handle the details.
You do not pull a Trump and start doing things that are neither left nor right, but are in opposition to the gravy train. What did he do day one? Cut tens of millions in profit for Boeing on the new Air Force One. Just walked in and said "you guys are robbing us blind, we ain't paying anywhere close to that.".
You do not do this. Defense contracts include fat kickbacks. Do not touch.
See how happy they all are with Biden? $70 billion for defense contractors without debate, detail or accountability.. because Ukraine. Shut up and pay. Happy defense industry. Happy congress critters. Happy defense consultants.
Dude has been caught taking bribes as red-handed as anyone since Marion Barry... And not one of his Democrat rivals dared mention it. Why? Ponder that one.
With these defense contractors it seems congress critters fall into a few groups:
- on the gravy train
- trying to get on the gravy train
- smart enough not to derail the gravy train, for their own careers
"You do not pull a Trump and start doing things that are neither left nor right, but are in opposition to the gravy train."
Also, this. You cant come into this system as an outsider and expect to operate within it. It will treat you as a virus and attack you. Its main goal is to protect the people in it so they can continue grifting. Any opposition to this will be met with unrelenting resistance.
Like other societies that were rendered bloated and completely non-functional due to the decadence and corruption of their ruling classes, this is no different. You cant fuck with their grift and expect they will allow you to continue.
^^This^^
The more time passes the more I realize that the answer to every question in politics is "money".
Nice summary. +1
agreed
one hopes that any adult, mandated or not, would report suspected child abuse
Unless you know how CPS operates.
So there’s been a lot of interesting COVID lockdown news lately that seems to have gone unnoticed here in America.
So I thought I’d turn to some of my favorite libertarian sources to link for you kids in the comment section here.
This is what most of my British and European libertarian sources have been talking about, which is the explosive revelation that Pfizer essentially “knew” that their vaccine never stopped, nor slowed transmission of the virus.
So why did we have vaccine mandates?
*deer in the headlights*
From what I've read and heard this week, it's not so much that they 'knew' it didn't stop transmission, it's that they didn't test for that.
Basically, in their trials, they were only counting symptomatic people as being sick. Which is the opposite of what the government was doing to count people with Covid.
But, it's probably closer to what most of us here (Ron Bailey excluded) thought they should be doing, rather than worrying about asymptomatic people, or counting people who died in car accidents as Covid deaths when their corpse tested positive.
From what I’ve read and heard this week, it’s not so much that they ‘knew’ it didn’t stop transmission, it’s that they didn’t test for that.
That is correct, but if extrapolated from there, the mandates continued (and continue) in many countries and political districts now that we have real-world data that shows it doesn't stop transmission. The people producing these mandates never asked the pharmaceutical companies if this data existed, because they didn't care. Once it became obvious that the vaccine wasn't an inoculating vaccine but little more than a therapeutic, that should have been explored by policy makers, it should have been probed by journalists. But because both policymakers and journalists had turned entirely ideological on this subject, they were not only uninterested in the facts, but directly opposed to them, because at some point between zero day of the vaccine and now, it became OBVIOUS that the vaccine didn't stop nor slow transmission, yet policies persisted.
Oh, and it seems clear we did know fairly early on because Rochelle Walensky said that the vaccine stopped you from getting and transmitting the virus, and then the CDC had to quietly walk that back some days later, declaring that Walensky was "speaking broadly".
I think two things happened. First, a good part of society and nearly all of the governing class really did suffer from mass formation psychosis and didn't ask the questions you list because they had gone nuts. Second, it was pure greed. This vaccine is an enormous money maker for the companies who make it and asking those questions and taking a rational approach to its use would have cost them billions. Don't think for a moment that some of that enormous amount of money didn't work its way into the hands of bureaucrats and politicians.
So why did we have vaccine mandates?
We all know why
So why did we have vaccine mandates?
Because if you could get everyone to take the vaccine, there would not be a control group to prove the vaccine ever caused any harm. Oh, people are having all of these heart problems? Must just be bad luck or global warming or something. Without a large group of unvaccinated people to compare to those who were vaccinated, it is going to be virtually impossible to establish any firm correlation between harms and the vaccine.
Luckily, a bunch of people refused to take the vaccine. So, I don't think the plan worked. We likely are going to find out just how harmful or safe this vaccine is over the coming years.
Hasn't there been a rise in unexplained deaths lately, particularly in young people who are having severe health issues or cardiac arrest for no apparent reason?
Yes there has. And it has been all over the world in countries that gave out the vaccine. The vaccine wasn't safe. I don't think there is any doubt about that. It should have only been given to people over 60 or people who had other health problems that made them susceptible to serious cases of COVID. Giving it to children, a group that was virtually in no danger from COVID, when they knew it wasn't safe and didn't even bother to look if it would actually prevent the spread of COVID was a crime against humanity as far as I am concerned.
They did have studies showing a 44% miscarriage rate among pregnant women who took the vaccine, but I guess they figured that wasn't information that anyone would really be interested in hearing.
Abortions without having to go to Planned Parenthood.
Free healthcare for all womyn.
We didn’t have vaccine mandates.
Then why were all those people fired from their jobs when they refused to vaccinate?
We did for the military. We did for the vast majority of health care workers. We did for plenty of local government employees, like cops and firefighters. They even had them for professional athletes. Was Kyrie Irving not experiencing a vaccine mandate?
There was also a vax mandate for federal government employees, as well as vax passports required to go out in public in a number of cities, including New York, Washington DC, New Orleans.
Public schools across the country were requiring kids to get vaccinated.
https://nypost.com/2022/02/14/over-1400-nyc-workers-fired-for-refusing-covid-vaccine/
https://theathletic.com/2885561/2021/10/12/kyrie-irving-and-his-vaccine-stance-clarified-why-the-nets-star-has-made-a-decision-that-will-sideline-him/
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-covid-hochul-orders-national-guard-to-fill-hospital-shortages-20210927-eqm7blbxxfd7fhcigsnd7f5rga-story.html
https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2022-04-06-cms-updates-guidance-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-health-care-workers
Any facility that receives patients on medicare or medicaid is required to have their staff fully vaccinated. Nationwide.
International travelers arriving in the US (by air) are required to show proof of vaccination:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/proof-of-vaccination.html#:~:text=If%20you%20are%20a%20non,States%20from%20a%20foreign%20country.
(Apparently if you swim or walk your way in, it's fine)
Another lie from Mike Liarson.
He's stupid enough he doesn't have to play dumb, but clearly lying about this one.
Smart enough not to respond, apparently.
Somebody's talking about it.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/this-is-not-a-drill
Nearly all covid rules proved that government didn’t give a fuck about you. It shut down your businesses and told you that you couldn’t see your friends — or your grandmother in the nursing home. It printed trillions and trillions of dollars to rain down the politically connected, while we pay for their extravagance via (predictable and predicted) inflation. It assumed power that it didn’t have and told you that if you would just get a shot two shots three shots ‘up-to-date’, you could have your life back.
Even though the data NEVER ONCE suggested that covid vaccines would ‘stop the spread’, government more than suggested said vaccines — in many cases firing the very nurses who had been treating patients all along (and in many of THOSE cases, nurses with acquired immunity). And if this results in a huge reduction in available healthcare — even after 16 months of forced sacrifice to save the healthcare system — consider this just another example of government not giving a fuck about you.
“Mandatory reporters who fail to do so face penalties ranging from criminal charges to professional sanctions and loss of occupational licenses, so it behooves them to report liberally…This can lead to a lot of false reports of abuse that cause major headaches and heartaches for the families involved.”
Nobody could’ve possibly foreseen this, could they?
I spent two days on a jury recently listening to the fantasies of a disturbed teen who claimed her father had sexually abused her. 15 minutes into her testimony was enough to tell me that her claim was unlikely, but we had to listen to another 4 or 5 hours listening to her stories followed by a like time with other witnesses. The three professional (social worker, psychologist and a cop) all basically said her stories were somewhat malleable. It took us less than an hour to not just go around the room (at which point, I learned that I may have been slow in realizing the story was a crock – not having had a daughter myself), as well as eat the (not too shabby, catered from an excellent deli!) lunch provided to sequestered juries.
What a waste of time and money! 30 plus jurors screened, big name lawyer for the defense, court staff, cop time, and the best the Assistant DA could come up with in summary to explain the obvious issues with his case was “Life can be complicated” – against a standard of guilt beyond reasonable doubt.
Mandated reporting is BS!
p.s. As jury foreman, I made sure to speak very clearly and make the "NOT" of "Not Guilty" strong and loud enough that everyone knew we were pissed at having had our time and the taxpayer's money wasted on this foolishness.
Virginia lawmaker wants to criminalize parents who don't affirm child's gender identity.
This person is demonic. They are coming for you kids. They've tipped their hand on this for a long time coming but now they're not even pretending. They are coming for your kids.
> This person is demonic.
QFT.
So was Hitler. 11 September 1936: Hitler thanked all German women for bearing "him" hundreds of thousands of children each year…. "When I drive through Germany like this, I see in all the millions of children exactly what allows all this work to make any sense at all. I see in them the children who belong to the mothers just as, at the same time, they do to me."
"The U.S. Department of Justice announced today that the Orange County Sheriff's Department (OCSD) and the Orange County District Attorney's Office (OCDA) in California routinely violated civil rights and tainted numerous criminal cases by operating a jailhouse informant program that flouted multiple amendments to the U.S. Constitution," reports The Appeal.
aaaaaaaand literally no one will lose their job over this.
Muslims doing the work Christians won't do. It is just fucking glorious.
https://twitchy.com/mikel-313136/2022/10/14/intersectionality-breakdown-liberals-shocked-to-learn-muslims-in-dearborn-mi-dont-want-lgbtq-content-pushed-in-schools/
A gay man said books don’t make people gay. He calls for unity between Muslims and gays. “The far right in this country” hates both of us. He is booed and laughed at by crowd.
Hundreds of protesters packed a Dearborn Public Schools board meeting this week and shut it down with cries of anger over certain LGBTQ books they said are too sexually explicit for children. And now, some community leaders anxiously await a rescheduled meeting set for Thursday night as others call for calm.
A heavy police presence failed to prevent the Monday night meeting from descending into chaos as demonstrators took it over and then various factions within them jostled for control, shouting at each other. Protesters often ignored the requests of police officers to stop interrupting board members.
Pro-LGBTQ speakers are being booed at Dearborn Schools board meeting. A union rep called for unity and tolerance. Crowd booed her, shouting out insults.
Good for them. If this keeps up, Reason is suddenly going to decide open borders are not such a great idea. Xenophobia will be cool again.
That story didn’t mention immigration. You know, we have American-born Muslims. They didn’t all come in as immigrants.
But, yes, a lot of Muslims are socially conservative. There may be people on the left who don’t realize that.
I can guarantee you that all of those people are either immigrants or the children of immigrants. Those are not American converts. The Arab and Muslim population in this country was miniscule prior to the 1965 immigration reform.
People on the left don't realize that Muslims are socially conservative because they are racist morons who see Muslims not as human beings but as pets and potential players in the victim Olympics that goes on in leftists' heads.
As opposed to conservatives who view them as towel-heads to be used for target practice, eh?
Yeah because all of our wars in the Middle East stopped when Democrats took over. Obama didn't take Bush's drone strike program beyond anything anyone ever imagined or anything. Nope.
You really need to work on your understanding of current affairs.
You say that, but how many conservatives risked their life or died to protect Muslims from other Muslims?
Deflect.
They view them the same way they view hispanics and black. Thus the "we should all be friends because of the far-right!" comment.
Bingo.
And most Arabs in this country were Arab Christians, like Danny Thomas and Najeeb Halaby.
“children of immigrants”
Who would be … not immigrants.
Their being here would be the product of immigration. I really don't know how to discuss a point with someone who either willfully or just out of shear stupidity doesn't understand the point being discussed.
Mike Liarson is a squawking bird named Dee and should be treated as such.
I’m not the one labeling native-born Americans as immigrants. They are quite literally not immigrants, and your personally insulting me doesn’t change that reality.
First, it's not clear whether they are immigrants or not. So your counter assumption that they are not immigrants is just as valid or invalid as Briggs.
Second, the reaction to the school board is clearly a byproduct of the mores that are cultural, whether immigrant or not. The Muslim part is the important label here.
Briggs just assumed they were immigrants, and used it as the basis for a dig against Reason’s generally positive stance on immigration, which he apparently doesn’t like. I pointed out that he was assuming they are immigrants.
I was commenting on his dig at Reason, not what went on at the school board meeting.
And I have made no assumption about whether anyone is an immigrant or not.
So you were just squawking.
That story didn’t mention immigration. You know, we have American-born Muslims. They didn’t all come in as immigrants.
Right, the fact that their parents came in as immigrants play no role in their upbringing.
give them a couple generations of their kids in the public school and university indoctrination system. Then they can be as whiney, useless, and victimized as our white elites
Maybe. I think Muslims might be a little more hard nosed about things than your typical white person.
Why, oh why, do you always, always, always change what is being discussed mid-stream.
Of course, people’s parents have influence over them. As does popular culture, going to public school and college, friends and boyfriends and girlfriends. And religious leaders.
Don't conservative and fascist both mean mystical fanatic?
Most of the pro speakers were clearly very Americanized and went through the university indoctrination system. That's going to clash with traditional Muslim practice every single time.
Good for these people. I don't care what religion they are. They have a right and obligation to stand up against the grooming and sexualization of their children.
Well now, this is an interesting quote out of the Twitchy story.
Don’t vote for Rashida Tlaib, said speaker Hassan Aoun, who’s against LGBTQ books. Tlaib is booed loudly by crowd of 600, which appears to be majority Arab. He calls for removal of certain books. He insists he’s not anti-gay.
She's one of the Gang of Four.
Yes she is. And I don't think many actual Muslims and especially Muslim men are too down with her.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/oct/13/joe-biden-campaign-john-fetterman-pennsylvania-nex/
Joe Biden is going to campaign for John Fetterman next week. I shouldn't want to watch that but I can't help but want to do so. It is going to be the most epic train wreck in the history of politics. The two of them put together do not have an even moderately functioning brain.
At this point I have to wonder if the White House has become some kind of long con or has just said to hell with it. They just thought, "we will never have the opportunity to see something like this again, we owe it to ourselves to send the old, dumb bastard out there to see what happens".
Fuck I wish it was a debate between the two. Talk about a cripple fight
Or a joint, unscripted town hall. Just let people ask questions and watch them both try and answer them.
"WELCOME TO THE DUMBERDOME!"
Two idiots enter,
one man poops his pants.
That's optimistic of you.
Biden is in Oregon today, shilling for Tina Kotek. In Oregon. A month before the election. Because they're worried about Oregon. This is almost unthinkable.
Because they’re worried about Oregon. This is almost unthinkable.
You may be looking at it backwards. They would be idiots to let any contested constituency get a close look at Biden. They need to show him offering support to the Dems, but they are only sending him to places that trotting out a demented stutterer can't affect race.
https://crowdwisdom.live/us-politics/oregon-governor-race-polls-2022/
Oregon Governor Race Polls 2022: Observations and Insights
The latest poll released by Clout Research, a Republican-leaning polling agency has GOP nominee Christine Drazan leading by 6 points, the highest since the start of the election campaign. Drazan has been predicted to win the Oregon race by the last 8 polls.
Second source with slightly different numbers. Regardless, the Democrats are FREAKING OUT around here.
https://www.koin.com/news/politics/christine-drazan-takes-2-point-lead-over-tina-kotek-in-oregon-governors-race-emerson-poll-shows/
PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) – Republican gubernatorial candidate Christine Drazan has taken a two-point lead over Democratic nominee Tina Kotek, a new nonpartisan poll conducted by Emerson College shows.
The nonpartisan poll, published on Tuesday, states that 36% of Oregon voters are favoring Drazan in the election. Kotek is reportedly close behind, drawing support from 34% of polled voters. Unaffiliated candidate Betsy Johnson trailed the poll with 19% of respondents giving her their support.
I suspect when the actual election hits the third party candidate support all goes to one or the other (or possibly both) of the main candidates. And I'd be a bit surprised if it was the R in OR.
Could be enough sane people have decided to stop letting idiots run the state, though.
He probably hung out in Oregon a lot back when he … worked in the paper industry…
Or in the logging industry beside that great Notioner Harry Fonda.
At this point I have to wonder if the White House has become some kind of long con or has just said to hell with it.
I was thinking of this the other day and then it came to me. The Biden administration promised to be the most transparent ever and clearly they have taken that promise to heart by revealing all that is behind the curtain. With a big FU
Unlike the Trumpanzees...
Another Analysis Suggests Gov "planning" enforced by GUNS May Be Doing Everyone More Harm Than Good...
That might only surprise the Gov-GUN fan-club.
Guns fix everything.... /s
Ukranian ambassador tells Elon Musk to fuck off on Twitter.
Elon Musk fucks off:
“Elon Musk’s Starlink says it can no longer afford to give Ukraine free service and asks the Pentagon to pay for it. Starlink had been a game changer in the war.
This comes days after Ukrainian Ambassador @MelnykAndrij told Musk to ‘fuck off.'”
https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1580782290849759232?s=20&t=PCczoai78OMrOM6_srRHKw
Dumb asses trying to be diplomats is not just something that happens to America. That is good to know at least.
You would think a country fighting a war of national survival's diplomats would have more important things to do than get into pissing matches on Twitter with celebrity billionaires. But that is just me.
Considering Zelenski has fought the war from the cover of Vogue and gets to demand billions from every country in the world, dumbass diplomat probably thought he could say whatever he wanted to whomever he wanted to.
The Biden administration has dramatically ratcheted up the deportation of Venezuelans...
Of course. They may not reliably vote for more socialism, having seen it first hand.
Not with South Americans. No matter how often they see the problems of socialism first-hand, it seems they simply cannot help it.
social workers are, thanks to very nature of the job, cops by another name
Shhh! They are secret police. It is hard to maintain the narrative that Democrats support minorities when the people who oppress them the most are identified for what they really are: agents of the state who are free to call upon those other agents of the state mandated to carry guns.
When you hear a social worker hoofing it down the hall, think donkeys, not elephants.
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Another good law the left has screwed up, weaponized to hurt parents and kids. To steal the kids from their families and indoctrinate the in woke ideology. Yet TReason.com prints a lot of fancy words that says nothing and avoids the truth.
Doesn't "mandatory this" and "mandatory that" inevitably require gunmen pointing loaded guns at people to make them obey this and that?
That's how the Democrats want it!
That is exactly what “fundamentally changing America” means. A woke liberal Democratic dictatorship. That is why Biden wants everyone’s guns, and actually said he is willing to “F-15 and nuke” American citizens. Dictatorships are not established peacefully.
And to pay their taxes?
Face it, at the end of the day, the only reason many of us continue to pay taxes that support deadbeats is because there is a gun pointed at us.