Trump Disregards Democracy, While Biden Ignores Its Dangers
The president's attack on the "extreme ideology" of "MAGA Republicans" elides the tension between majority rule and individual freedom.

In his speech last night about "the continued battle for the soul of the nation," President Joe Biden said some things that are indisputably true. He noted that democracy requires candidates to accept the results of "free and fair elections" and that refusing to do so threatens the rule of law as well as the peaceful transfer of power.
Donald Trump and his followers have conspicuously failed that basic test. But Biden's emphasis on preserving democracy sets the bar for good government pretty low, eliding the tension between majority rule and individual freedom. And his related claim that Trump's refusal to concede electoral defeat amounts to an "extreme ideology" gives the former president, who is anything but a systematic thinker, too much credit.
"Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic," Biden warns. But his response confuses means with ends, elevating democracy above the values it promotes when properly constrained.
Biden says "the freedom to vote and have your vote counted" is "the most fundamental freedom in this country." The Framers saw things differently. They understood that unconstrained democracy, like unconstrained autocracy, poses an intolerable threat to liberty. The constitution they produced is chock-full of provisions that check the will of the people, including limits on the federal government's powers, requirements for passing legislation, and explicit recognition of rights that the people's representatives must respect, no matter what the majority demands.
Speaking at Independence Hall in Philadelphia, Biden offers his take on the Declaration of Independence. "In America," he says, "we're all created equal"—a strange way to summarize Thomas Jefferson's much less parochial assertion that "all men are created equal," a "truth" he took to be "self-evident." Biden notably skips over the part about the God-given "unalienable rights" that all people (not just Americans) have by virtue of their humanity.
Moving on to the Constitution, Biden locates its essence in the first three words of the preamble: "We the People…" Never mind all the operative provisions that follow, which impose numerous restrictions on majority rule.
"These two documents and the ideas they embody—equality and democracy—are the rock upon which this nation is built," Biden declares. While he is surely right that equality under the law is a basic principle of a free society, he and his fellow Democrats tend to take a more expansive view of equality, one that requires redistributive schemes like the orgies of federal spending that he brags about later in his speech.
Although the authority for such programs is hard to locate in the Constitution, Biden is unconcerned about such niceties. He implies that "We the People" means popularly elected legislators can do nearly anything they think the majority wants. By identifying an ambiguous "equality" and a sacred "democracy" as the twin lodestars of American government, Biden issues a convenient license for his party's policy agenda.
Biden does get around to mentioning "liberty," but it seems like an afterthought, a value that takes third place at best. His idea of liberty includes the "right to choose" (abortion, presumably), "the right to privacy" (abortion, again), the "right to contraception," and the "right to marry who you love." All of those, he warns, are threatened by "MAGA forces."
Biden's understanding of liberty evidently does not include the right to armed self-defense, which is arbitrarily denied by the "gun safety law" that he proudly cites as evidence that America has "an unlimited future" and "is about to take off." Nor does it include freedom of speech, judging from Biden's assiduous efforts to control what people say on social media platforms and his assertion that our system of government "gives hate no safe harbor." Biden's support for kangaroo-court justice at public universities suggests he also is not so keen on due process.
The right to keep and bear arms, the right to freedom of speech, and the right to due process, unlike the right to abortion, are all explicitly mentioned in the Bill of Rights. Maybe Biden never got that far, since he is so mesmerized by the vast powers he perceives in the opening words of the preamble.
Based on Biden's words and deeds, we have a pretty good idea of what he believes about the proper size and scope of government. He thinks politicians selected by "the People" can do whatever they want, provided they do not impinge on the specific freedoms that he values. When it comes to abortion, contraception, and same-sex marriage, the majority does not rule. But when it comes to nearly everything else, the people's will—or, more realistically, Biden's perception of it—prevails.
Trump, by contrast, seems to have few firm beliefs. The "extreme MAGA ideology" that Biden perceives is not based on a coherent set of political principles. It is based on one man's erratic impulses. And more than anything these days, it is based on Trump's conviction that he actually won reelection in 2020.
Aside from a few longstanding instincts, such as Trump's aversion to free trade and immigration, his only persistent motivation is self-interest. On abortion, Trump abandoned his pro-choice opinions and cynically embraced the pro-life movement, promising to appoint Supreme Court justices who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade. On gun control, he turned against measures he once supported, transforming himself into "a big Second Amendment person." It defies credulity to suggest that Trump has given serious thought to the constitutional issues raised by restrictions on abortion or guns, or to the merits of the originalism he espoused when he ran for president in 2016.
If the Republican Party's always inconsistent defense of limited government was not enough to discredit its supposed devotion to constitutional principles, the fact that it has now organized itself around Trump's self-flattering delusions decisively proves that it stands for nothing worth defending. The Democratic Party, meanwhile, has always been willing to ditch the Constitution when it proved inconvenient.
Assuming that Trump runs for president in 2024 and Biden seeks reelection, voters will again be confronted by a choice between an old man who is manifestly unqualified for the job and an old man whose long political career has taught him nothing about the limits of government power and the fallible judgments of the people who wield it. While a willingness to accept the outcome of a free and fair election is a minimum qualification for the presidency, voters should demand more than that.
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Reason goes with the "pox on both houses baby" spin. I guess even reason knows Biden's speech was horrible. They can't say that. They have to qualify it with "but Trump". No Democrat can ever be criticized without point out that Republicans are just as bad or worse.
Except Liz Cheney.
So dreamy.
And brave.
Anyone who thinks the 2020 election was legitimate is certifiable. If the Koch Bros owned Dominion Voting as Soros does, and Elon Musk spent $440 million on ballot harvesting like Zuckerberg did, and Biden was winning every swing state at midnight then lost every single one to Trump (even though Biden had won every bellwether), and both Georgia senate seats went red after a last minute tune up by Dominion would it still be the MOST SAFE AND SECURE ELECTION EVER? Uh, no.
Everyone knew the mail-in ballots would skew heavily Democratic. It was widely discussed and predicted months before the election. It is the height of partisan disingenuousness to pretend otherwise.
You really have no presence in reality, do you?
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The mail in ballots. You mean the ones with no folds in them and one circle filled in? Zuckerballots.
Not a single European country allows mail in ballots. In fact, the only time it's allowed is CHEATING TIME. Like when Newsom let people print their recall ballots at home and he hung on to office. Works like a treat.
That's not actually true. 14 countries in Europe offer postal voting - in 8 of those, all voters are eligible, and in 6 there are restrictions. The 8 that allow unrestricted mail-in voting are the UK, Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Iceland, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg, and Poland. In Switzerland up to 90 percent of all ballots are cast by mail.
74% of European countries ban mail in voting for those living in the country. 6% allow it in certain restrictive circumstances. 35% ban it completely. Need cites? Yours fell off. And Switzerland? Lol. Closed borders and homogenous people with banks holding trillions for the WEF set.
At least that is what you have been told to think. In prior elections Republicans usually voted by mail or at least as much as Democrats. The idea it was expected to have many more Democrat mail in votes keeps people from questioning that it swung that way.
Everyone knew the mail-in ballots would skew heavily Democratic.
Yes, because everyone knew that the Democrats were planning on using them to cheat.
People always leave that part off.
You might like the 2016 elections predicted for Hillary Mike?
I haven't been paying attention to anything in the last week or two. Saw a picture from his speech on that makes it appear the left is going into full Hitler mode. Reason chose a much less incriminating photo.
Reason is bullshit.
How else will they get on the approved media list?
Fair point
Reason will never get on the approved media list. But people who write for Reason may get employed by approved media outlets down the road.
They can try
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/08/23/the-koch-network-and-other-trump-allies-are-quietly-backing-his-biggest-gop-critic-rep-liz-cheney.html
You are right, of course. They should all aspire to work for Breitbart or The Federalist someday.
No, they’re writing like they want to be hired by WaPo, or The Atlantic. But you have to be disingenuous.
If they’re lucky, they can write for salon.
At least it was an actual photo. CNN changed the tint in their video so the lights were pink.
Yes, what is up with the evil red light backdrop. I mean seriously it looks like an evil Dictator from a movie. I thought Democrats were all about PR, do they not understand how that looks?
Let’s ask Mike Larson - do you like the ominous red light Backlighting for the president? Is it a good look? Is it especially progressive?
Mike is too busy looking for a hookup on Grindr seeing that all the gays have blocked him because he used Biden's Monkeypox Red photo
I don't know if it's ignorance, or a conscious effort to turn America into a totalitarian state. We are NOT a democracy! We are a representative democracy! This means that we are supposed to have checks and balances. Biden, Obama, and democrats do not like that! They want to make laws without opposition. Say what you want about Trump, but he did not go after our Amendment rights, he gave the people a voice, he believed in the Constitution and not just kept talking about 'democracy,' that democrats hate, and he wanted a free and fair election. What Biden and the democrats have done is go after opponents, silence opposing voices using the FBI and big tech, shut down a free country, shut down churches and schools, forced vaccinations, made attempts to take arms out of the hand of adults, but ask them to sacrifice their lives in the military, push abortions for the poor and blacks, try to eliminate the free market that actually benefit the poor, go after the traditional family unit, which is threat to their socialist reset, kept education results low, created a mindless, clueless, and ignorant youth population with poor training, push racism and division, opened the borders to destroy American lives, and are spending us into a third world country. Tell me how any of this is 'democratic' again?
Welcome. Paragraphs are helpful.
Paragraphs are white supremacy. Semicolons are transphobic.
I don’t want to hear about your colon.
Awesome rant!!!
A representative democracy is a democracy. It's also a representative democratic republic. Checks and balances can exist, or not exist, in a representative republic (representative democracy). You seem to be assuming certain words specify more than they actually do.
He is absolutely correct. There are numerous check and balances written into the constitution to thwart the will of popular factions. First and foremost is the idea of ENUMERATED power of the federal gov. Basically this means if it is not explicitly stated the gov has no power to enact. It is why each state is granted two representatives in the Senate regardless of population. It is why the electoral college was created. It is why the courts can strike down legislation as unconstitutional.
I estimate that under the constitution as written 80-90% of the fed gov today is wholly unconstitutional.....unfortunately we have installed judges and such that have concocted elaborate but wrong legal basis' for allowing such growth in the size and power of the fed gov. In short we have shredded the protections afforded by the constitution to keep the national gov in check....it is literally a leviathan now that we have zero ability to hold truly accountable....it is just too big and now too powerful. While we can argue that the GOP just goes alone with all this (which is true), it is the Progressives on the left who promulgated this whole mess. And boy, they are not done yet....they want to grant even MORE power to the gov and I think they would indeed destroy democracy to achieve it.
You don't pay much attention, do you? He's incorrect as to what a representative democracy necessarily entails. That has nothing to do with what you wrote.
But that is OUR system. That's what I was responding to.
You pretty much nailed there......if any party in all this is dangerous and a threat to democracy it is the Dems.
Republicans are nothing but traitors at this point.
Strip them of their citizenship and drop them in the ocean or spread them on the corn fields as fertilizer.
^Yep; A Nazi-Fan....
Silly, on,y democrats can be traitors. Republicans are intrinsically patriotic. Except for RINO’s like Liz Cheney. Democrats like you are filth that should be put down.
Come try bitch.
May your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders. In a deep body of water.
If claiming election interference is a threat to democracy, more Democrats are guilty and a thread than Republicans. Oh, but Reason conveniently ignores the Democrats crying stolen elections.
Actually, they haven’t.
Yeah, they have. Stop lying. You bitches cried and screamed about 2016. And how about Stacy Abrams who still be,wives she’s the sitting governor of Georgia?
You cunts should just stop, then get out before you get yourselves hurt, or worse.
Isn't that the truth!
why, it's like the folks at Reason are libertarians or something!
Imagine that!
Except they’re not.
White Mike definitely isn’t.
Simple thought experiment.
Had DeSantis or Trump given that sort of speech would Sad Sack Sullum have resorted to a Both Sides response?
I rather doubt it.
Trump HAS given that kind of speech. Many times.
Nope. Stop lying, you’re the bad guys. Just admit it.
Cite?
Ultimately, the problem depends on your initial assumptions.
Assume 2020 was not a "free and fair" election. You'll come to one conclusion.
Assume 2020 was a "free and fair" election. You'll come to another conclusion.
There's enough opacity in our election process where one could make a rational case for both sides. Once you're able to understand that, you should understand that the real problem is about opacity/transparency - without fixing that problem, you'll always have two movies on one screen.
And so far, the only people who are trying to make elections more transparent are the Rs. Ds don't want election integrity because it makes it harder for them to win elections. Let that sink in.
Reason is about as libertarian as my blue haired trans 12 year old
Check out the reddit subforum for detransitioners. It has doubled in volume of members in the past year. Scant media attention to these kids with tons of regret for "losing organs"
https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/
For those who missed Biden's speech, here you go.
Ok, it's not really Biden, but the imagery is uncanny.
The only thing SleepyJoe was lacking was the flames.
Maybe Buttigieg was in the audience.
He was at a rave.
Flames are coming in 2024, as the Republicans lose again.
Like all the flames when George Floyd lost? I didn't realize he was a Republican.
Stupid fuck.
Out for a troll, are ya'?
We’re all well aware that Democrats want to set the whole damn country on fire. But I appreciate your honesty in stating what you plan to do.
Cut the crap, Sullum. What we all saw was Biden making a Nuremburg-type rally sans the paintbrush moustache. Trump is far less of a danger to the republic than Biden and his Democrats.
The article is a bad false equivalence even for reason. Sullumn admits that Biden thinks there is no limits to his power since he is elected. But then expects us to believe that Trump is just as bad because he acts in his self interest, as if that is any fucking different than anyone else in the world.
No, it's because Trump tried to use the legal means at his disposal to dispute his defeat at the polls. Because conceding defeat when you think you've been cheated is democracy.
There is also the minor point that Trump isn’t the president.
But if he was, he’d probably sell nuclear secrets.
Well, obviously.
Well, it's better than just giving them away.
Why would they pay for what Hillary already gave them at least some of, but more importantly what Biden Inc wants to sell them and, BONUS, with continuing updates? Except Biden prefers selling them to China of course. Wayyyyyy more money for them than Russia.
He had 4 years opportunity to sell secrets. That’s why he got so rich as Prez.
Oh, wait….. he donated his salary.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2021/02/27/president-donald-trump-probably-donated-his-entire-16m-salary-back-to-the-us-government--here-are-the-details/
Donald Trump can call Democrats "The Enemy", call the FBI "The gestapo", but Biden went too far??
My gripe with the article is the parsing of ordinary expressions like those used in non-partisan high school civics classes as somehow code words for "governmental control". It's completely legitimate to argue against Democrats' views of the power of the Federal government, but to draw that kind of nuance from his speech is to gloss over what he was actually trying to say: Maga Republicans do not believe in the Theory of Reality. Full stop. Whether Biden accurately used the word democracy, whether he should have used "indirect or representative democracy" is kind of looney when the only distinction he intended to make was that Maga Republicans have literally tried to nullify the democratic process (whatever definition you want to use) in the 2020 election. They *still* pretend that the election was somehow stolen. Biden has sat relatively quietly while Trump runs roughshod over all the customs, norms and expectations of a President to act on behalf of the country. Arguing semantics about what he meant by the word "democracy" ignores that he was finally saying what the majority of the country has been saying for years.
Now tell us about every election the democrats lost after 2000, douchebag.
So you’re a total idiot who rejects reality and has a subnormal IQ, and parrots whatever Media Matters tells you to?
Donald Trump can call Democrats "The Enemy", call the FBI "The gestapo", but Biden went too far??
Branding a political enemy as an enemy isn't quite the same as implying they're all terrorists. And federal law enforcement agencies do not deserve the same respect that private American citizens deserve. It should be absolutely be encouraged that we call police and Feds "Gestapo" or "Stasi" at every turn, especially when they're engaged in political prosecutions.
I’d love a cite of Trump calling general Democrats “The Enemy”.
Me thinkish Freethinksmanish was paid by mediamatters to post this.
Freethinksman, please provide evidence of your claims.
This. He called the lying media the enemy of the people, because they are, but that was very limited to a powerful sub group.
Anything that addressed voters, he was careful of not demonizing.
Excellent point!
But the FBI really is the American Gestapo.
Forget Trump for a second and look at all the other stuff it's doing. From astroturfing as racist protesters, to arranging the kidnapping of a governor, to pushing censorship requests on social media companies, to faking evidence in political inquests.
Those are the actions of an authoritarian secret police force.
And it's been that way since its inception. Look at its behavior during the Civil Rights era. Its just more open and egregious now.
Don't forget spying on presidential candidates and pushing fabricated dossiers as authentic.
Can anybody really say that we voted for Biden? With all the un-democratic changes we made with drop boxes, mail in ballots, and no oversight of ballots? This was a sham election and we know it! No way in hell Americans voted for a clueless, non articulating, bumbling, and mindless person like Biden. If they did, what does that say about Americans? It says we are clueless when it comes to Civics, government, history, economic, science, heck..it says we are dumb!
The BIG LIE is that the 2020 election was free and fair.
Each day we find out more evidence of it, like the FIBbers telling FaceCrack to censor the Hunter Biden laptop revelations.
There is no way we can know that an election was without fraud. If fraud was committed successfully, by definition we would not know about it. Claiming an election was completely free and fair and without any fraud can't be done by any intelligent and honest person, but those seem to be in pretty short supply.
Nobody claims that. There is always some election fraud.
What they do claim is that there was no fraud significant enough to change the election results.
Yeah, there was. It’s been explained to you over and over. You just keep lying and pretending that there isn’t and it hasn’t been explained.
Ditto with Ted's comment.
As indicated in your subsequent comments, you quite disingenuous on contrary evidence. Instead of responding directly to the evidence, you either just dismiss it or you pick out less consequential allegations to respond to and then use your disingenuous response to dismiss the more meaty allegations.
“No way in hell Americans voted for a clueless, non articulating, bumbling, and mindless person like Biden.”
It’s so rich that someone can make all these observations about Biden, yet not see and acknowledge exactly the same traits in Trump.
They’re not, and you’re fucking stupid. Trump was a good president who didn’t bumble around. Biden is obviously senile.
You’re really not making much of a case to let you stay.
“Maga Republicans do not believe in the Theory of Reality. Full stop.”
Did a quick scan of the wall. Saw this. WTF is the “theory or reality”, why did you capitalize it, and cite?
"Maga Republicans do not believe in the Theory of Reality. Full stop. Whether Biden accurately used the word democracy, whether he should have used "indirect or representative democracy" is kind of looney when the only distinction he intended to make was that Maga Republicans have literally tried to nullify the democratic process (whatever definition you want to use) in the 2020 election."
You do realize that a majority of Democrat voters challenged the 2016 election results. Hillary, Kamala Harris, and yes even Biden have questioned the legitimacy of the 2016 election. Biden was also VP to an administration that pushed FISA warrants to spy on an Trump in the 2016 election and he himself proposed trying to entrap Mike Flynn in a Logan Act violation because he remembered it as a plot point to a West Wing episode.
You're upset about Reason being semantic about word choice. I'm upset that you were born yesterday. We all got gripes I guess.
Okay, let's resolve the election integrity issue by adopting the procedures recently used in France's national election. Paper ballots, voter ID, hand counts. They had the result by midnight. What's so hard about that?
Were those procedures used in America, the Democrats would never win another national vote.
Maga Republicans do not believe in the Theory of Reality
"MAGA Republicans" isn't a thing that exists: it's marketing fluff thought up by Democratic-aligned organizations to create guilt by association. You might have an idea as to what he supposedly intended to mean by it [e.g. the 25% of the GOP membership that's the furthest fringe of the base], but what instead was advertised is that your local yuppie family is a traitor to the American people if they voted with energy security and their children's primary education in mind. It's abhorrent.
The only saving grace is that the only people who actually saw this travesty live are the most politically engaged. Literally nobody else cares. We know instinctively that representative democracy is dead, tough like our Roman forebears we refuse to admit it.
Who are all those people wearing MAGA hats then?
People that are wearing hats.
Literally everything you mention is countered by actual facts. You're like an annoying mynah bird, repeating.
RE: "Maga Republicans have literally tried to nullify the democratic process"
Oh really? Gee, I have been reading about this issue non-stop since before the election and I have yet to actually see any evidence in which any Republicans have tried to nullify the Democratic process.
Perhaps you have a couple examples?
And I hope you are not thinking about the same things the Dems tried to do in 2016, which obviously were not anti-democratic in nature though their motives certainly were since they knew there was little to no substantial fraud in the election that they, themselves, did not control.
A really good one: On January 6th, 2021 a bunch of MAGA Republicans, spurred on by Donald Trump, tried to storm the Capitol in an attempt to stop the certification of the electoral vote.
Liar.
That isn’t what happened. But you probably still have Russia fever dreams too.
According to actual facts, that is a really bad one.
1. They knew ahead of time that fringe groups were going to attempt violence. Their only response was to put so many FBI agents in the crowd, like they normally do in their operations, that they refused to say how many. Of course, it is not at all clear that it was a response as opposed to part of the plan. See Ray Epps and other criminal instigators who were not so much as arrested.
2. The huge majority of actual MAGA Trump supporters were not violent and often opposed the violence that happened.
3. The initial violence occurred 20 minutes before Trump even finished speaking.
4. The violence and damage did not compare in any possible way to the Dem's Summer of Love. Then there was the attack on the White House and the burning of the church and tearing down monuments etc etc.
Being that this all stuff that you already know, it is just another of numerous examples of your blatant disingenuousness. Feign ignorance to the point of stupidity.
an actual REAL leftard damning Reason as vociferously as the Trumptards do in the comments section
why, it's like the folks at Reason are libertarians or something!
as an aside, a few more speeches like that and Joe might as well stay at home on election day, Trump will back for his singular, instant lame-duck status, second term as grand poobah.. WTG Joe!
Yeah, nothing like insulting and alienating about 40% of the voters as a re-election strategy.
Biden is already trying to walk it back in follow-up interviews. “I didn’t really mean it.”
Biden is the enemy of all Americans and humanity in general.
He is already walking it back today.
Joe can’t walk.
He’s shuffling it back.
After you defended it.
Sucks to be the last shill to get the memos, huh?
Ya, selling the nations secrets to Russia, Russia, Russia is far less dangerous than giving a speech in front of a red background.
You’re confused. Clinton sold our middle technology to the ChIComs. Most of your party works for them now.
Biden just ignores the rampant spying and theft of the CCP.
Stupid fuck.
They own him. And a lot of congress, including several RINO’s. Every one of them should be convicted of treason and executed.
So, you've got nothing.
He noted that democracy requires candidates to accept the results of "free and fair elections"
OK, in what manner have Republicans failed that test???? Are you one of those blindfolded buffoons who are still ignoring the serious irregularities in GA, PA, WI,and AZ. Get back to us when you learn what free and fair means, (I am not holding my breath)
I was thinking the same thing
Moreover, since when is saying "audit the votes" not accepting the results of an election? All the Republicans ever did was say they wanted the elections investigated to ensure they were free and fair. Had they actually been free and fair, the Democrats would have been more than happy to do that. It would laid to rest any doubts about the issue and made the Republicans look foolish. Instead, they resisted audits at every turn and have and continue to claim that asking for them is "sedition".
I have no idea how crooked the election was in 2020. What I do know is that Biden and the Democrats could not be acting more guilty they are.
100% spot on
I have to agree. I have said this multiple times and never gotten even an attempt to answer it. What should we do if we actually have a stolen election and can prove it?
I like the example: if Lex Luthor does get elected and then brags on television about his vote-switching scheme to Superman. Now what? The proposals many Democrats have put forth seem to indicate that everyone is powerless to change or overturn a fraudulent election even in the face of overwhelming evidence, and that by even looking into it, Superman is a traitor.
Whether there is sufficient evidence to overturn the election is a matter of opinion. I don't think so, though with investigations thwarted at every turn, I cannot be sure. However, there needs to be a mechanism to defend Democracy should there be fraud.
In that scenario the losing party’s lawyers would show up in courtrooms with something credible to present.
Sigh. Unless they weren't allowed to present evidence due to lack of standing, because the appropriate time to present that evidence was before the election. And that they were denied standing to present evidence prior to the election, because they couldn't show damages (yet).
Have you heard of a novelist by the name of Joseph Heller?
Dee ignores everything that doesn’t fit her narrative.
Yes, they were told they didn’t have standing in a few of the 60 cases. That can’t be used as an explanation for the dismal record in the remaining cases.
This has been explained to you many, many times. Stop acting like it hasn’t. This is part of why everyone hates you.
Mikey ignores that a dozen of those cases actually went for Trump because it was patently obvious that things hadn’t been done correctly.
Donald Trump and his followers have conspicuously failed that basic test.
Unproven accusation.
Imagine if it had been Trump in front of that red and black background.
He would have arranged for many more soldiers b/c he loves the military.
From 'stolen" to "fraudulent" to "serious irregularities" the gripe has shrunk as the utter lack of evidence has continued to (not) mount. There was a pandemic. State elections officials did the best they could to make it possible everyone to vote, as is their right, while preventing illegal voting. They succeeded. Bitching about the fact that it was not identical to an election when people did not need to keep away from each other to avoid spreading the disease is really toothless. Which I guess describes a lot of the folks he was talking about.
There is tons of evidence for widespread violations of law in the 2020 elections. Courts chose not to act on them because they believed that the remedies would do more harm than good.
But those violations of law and serious irregularities are nothing new either; this crap has been going for decades. The question is why US politicians, foremost Democrats, refuse to do anything about it.
Voting in the US is a joke by international standards. You might as well pick winners by Ouija board.
Many of the characteristics the UN uses to identify fraudulent elections in the third world apply to this country.
"...Bitching about the fact that it was not identical to an election when people did not need to keep away from each other to avoid spreading the disease is really toothless..."
Yep, a D apologist manages to stretch this into a public health issue.
“There was a pandemic.”
I missed the pandemic exemption in the Constitution. Care to point it out?
By our current definitions, the entire 18th century was a pandemic of every disease known to man. The reason childhood mortality was so high was because you had to get all the plagues out of the way.
RE: "State elections officials did the best they could to make it possible everyone to vote, as is their right, while preventing illegal voting."
Widely know facts completely destroy that statement. Either you are unconscionably ignorant or just flat out lying.
State election officials literally made unconstitutional changes to their states election process (as in violated their state constitutions).
Fuck you for trying to defend it because of the pandemic that didn’t matter when every major city in the country was having their love ins.
“OK, in what manner have Republicans failed that test????”
You’re joking. A little riot that took place on January 6th.
Which was actually less destructive than the attack on the senate during the Kavanagh hearing and the attack on the Whitehouse months earlier... or the Democrats riots in DC when Trump was sworn in.
Police injured, more than 200 arrested at Trump inauguration protests in DC
It's different when you do it though, right?
Dee’s not a Democrat. She just always defends Democrats while attacking republicans.
You’re such a treasonous shill.
100,000 citizens chose to petition their government over grievances. A couple of hundred went too far. If you have a problem with that, fuck off, slaver
That "little" riot which involved very "little" Republicans and started by fringe groups, which the FBI and other agencies knew was going to happen beforehand and in which Reps have denounced all those who resorted to violence or destroying property.
In huge and overwhelming contrast to Dems attacks, including a few noted by Mother's Lament, we have the Summer of Love which was not only so far and away worse in every aspect possible, but was actually supported by so many Dem and even the leaders of the cities whose people and policemen were maimed and killed and whose buildings and businesses were destroyed.
And you want to point out this little, completely NON-insurrection, where people who merely trespassed have been held without bail and prosecuted beyond the limits of the law on made up charges?
What planet do you come from? No logic or justice there?
Much worse than the riots is the cowardly lack of acknowledgment and condemnation of the riots, and the man who spurred them on, by the majority of Republican politicians.
Which Republicans haven’t denounced 1/6 liar?
None. Even Trump denounced the violence the same fucking day.
I guess you missed that too?
Oh wait! You know, you just like to repeat media lies as opposed to accepting inconvenient truths.
It was less than the least of the democrat riots that persisted in democrat cities throughout 2020. Democrats are violent, sexual predators, thieving, and unhygienic.
Hey what are we here in Michigan, chopped donkey liver?
https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/17/judge-rules-michigan-secretary-of-state-violated-state-law-with-absentee-ballot-order/
Rpublicans are incapable of reason or learning from their mistakes.
Time to flush them.
We engage in reason, you and your fellow travelers engage in treason. And you’re welcome to try. Then we can exterminate you legally.
You continue to make stupid comments without responding to anything. Who do you think is persuaded by your bullshit?
And you know that if there were ever a Reason convention in Vegas that these leftists shitbags would be too terrified to atttend. Especially since some of them are pedophiles.
Maybe. He might also be one of those blindfolded buffoons still ignoring all the Democrats who did not accept the results of an election in 2016, or Stacey Abrams in 2018.
Let’s see. Hillary Clinton conceded defeat. Has Trump?
If by conceded you mean continued to lie about the election being stolen all the way up to days before the 2020 election.
You’re such a lying piece of shit.
^
No. You know what threatens the rule of law and threatens the peaceful transfer of power? Cheating at the election.
What is it the leftoids like to say? No justice, no peace.
Who cheated in an election?
The other side. The other side always cheats. They're worse, so the only way they can win is by cheating. Look! They won! There's proof that they cheat!
Well, this could be addressed by actually adopting f*cking transparent, reproducible, and auditable election procedures, and by punishing officials who don't follow them with jail.
For some reason, Democrats oppose that. That's the real problem.
Democrats oppose election reforms proposed by Republicans because they view the proposals not as improving the system, but as a way to prevent people from voting. Especially poor, ignorant, dumb fucks of all colors who support Democrats because it's the "gimme" party endorsed by celebrities and public
indoctrination centersschools.There is no "but" there. Election reforms necessarily require more effort, dedication and care from voters.
Sarc strongly defends the right of people too drunk and stupid to know what day election day is to vote. Weird for someone that claims they don’t vote.
Republcan election reform = Don't let the blacks vote.
Source: Trust me bro
"Black people can't read or hold a drivers license, you racists!!!!"
i think you Caused several prog to Black out, due to cognitive distance right there. 🙂
I find it fascinating how people like you will think someone is too stupid to do something as simple as obtaining a picture id because they are the wrong race.
Democrat election reform: Don't let the Blacks vote for Larry Elder.
And blacks ain’t black unless they vote for a doddering, senile, diaper wearing white guy.
Republicans assume that blacks are as smart and capable as other Americans.
Democrats assume that blacks are intrinsically inferior to whites, same kind of racist b.s. Democrats have been preaching for more than a century. You people are vile.
Scratch a prog, find a racist.
Democrats have claimed cheating in every election since 2000, you drunk.
That's what I just said, retard.
Once again you argue from a dishonest position.
You just called people who supported democrats as “poor ignorant dumb fucks”
"Democrats have claimed cheating"
Liar.. Liar... Republican Pants on fire..
Ok this is a parody. Well done.
Oh, yeah! Those guys! They're awful!
You’d never say anything like that, right?
Well fuck, I’ve already got the article open in another window, guess I’ll just keep posting it.
Not that the people that need to read it will. They’ve been given their narrative.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/17/judge-rules-michigan-secretary-of-state-violated-state-law-with-absentee-ballot-order/
Can't fortify if you don't dig a little hole first.
Notably, ruled 4 months after the election rather than at the time of the election. We have seen many court cases in the past year rule against the cheating that occurred - now that it is safe to do so for some judges. Others are still waiting after the mid-terms and others prefer to keep the cheating in place.
Many? Name three.
The Dems in an off-year election in Paterson, NJ. Judge tossed the results and made the township redo the election.
The side that took out ballot boxes after the poll watchers had gone home. The side that not only (illegally) excluded poll watchers from the room but covered the windows. It's literally on youtube.
You are still repeating debunked talking points two years later. You are not interested in the truth.
Cite?
201207 GA NO, THE VOTE-COUNTING VIDEO WAS NOT ‘DEBUNKED.’ Not Even Close - federalist
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/
FACT: SUBSTANTIAL FRAUD OCCURRED AT THE GEORGIA STATE FARM ARENA
The only question is how much.
Polls show that Biden won the GA presidential vote 2,473,633 (49.5%) to Trump’s 2,461,854 (49.3%), a difference of 11,779.
Those processing votes after everyone left are estimated to have processed between 14-18,000 votes – OR MORE. This means that just this one instance of fraud could possibly have changed the election.
"No. You know what threatens the rule of law and threatens the peaceful transfer of power? Cheating at the election."
And what-if that 'rule of law' was constrained by the U.S. Constitution? Would that 'POWER' be soooo important?
Just a thought.
I just cannot get over how great that picture is. Biden looks like such a badass! 🙂
#LibertariansForBiden
Needs aviator sunglasses.
He's missing a moustache.
Or a cigar.
If he had a moustache, he'd look like you.
Project much, asshole?
If he had a toothbrush mustache, he'd look like you, VendicarD.
Because a fascist and a racist is what you are, VendicarD.
This is a better angle:
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1565758837025652742?t=fM5aqdgwuC_i_ytyP62GaQ&s=19
Look how fascist those Red Republcians look.
You’re the fascist you worthless traitor. Kill yourself.
It’s a parody.
Is it? I just thought it was like Arty, but even more retarded.
"Moooom, can we have a Hitler?"
"No, we have Hitler at home."
Hitler at home: https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1565758837025652742/photo/1
To Joey, or really Jill, democracy is just fine as long as the Democrats always win. Got it. Can't wait for 2024.
And let's not forget "2000 Mules"...
Conjecture worthy of Michael Moore.
Cite?
You're *so* close to understanding that Republicans are a political minority in the U.S.
Alright, who’s sock is this?
I don't think it's Shrike or Jeff, which is weird because it almost always is.
I'm thinking that it might be the guy behind DOL, KAR and LibertariansAreTrash or whatever it's called.
So are Democrats. Polling shows party ID for both parties is around 30%.
So I’m an independent that voted for Trump in 2020. Does that make me a “MAGA Republican”? Or am I technically not a threat to democracy yet?
Do you support Biden, comrade?
So you own a MAGA hat or other MAGA memorabilia?
Have you attended any of his rallies? Or rioted at the Capitol?
Ultimately it is becoming necessary to thin the ranks of the democrat herd to a more…… manageable level.
The only question that remains is that once Republcians are liquified, should they be spread on corn fields as fertilizer or soy fields.
What do you think Ted?
You’re not going to do shot you weak little faggot. There isn’t a democrat that isn’t ultimately a little pussy. Like you. You wouldn’t dare step out in the open without a hole rioting mob behind you. Of course Rittenhouse’s showed you cunts what happens when you transgress against an actual American.
Yep, definitely parody.
Just another subroutine.
And this is different from the Republicans how?
Democrats accept the results of the election and then try again, while Republicans storm the Capital.
Here’s 10 minutes of Democrats denying election results: https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1565493427357323264
Enjoy
I was talking about the candidates or initiative pushers, not idiots on Twatter. But you knew that.
Couldn't be assed to click the link so you guessed. It's a video that starts off with Biden and Hillary denying the election and goes on to feature all the other prominent Dems.
You'd look less dumb if you weren't so lazy.
Did they say the entire election system is fucked so no results should ever be trusted?
I'm not going to click a Twitter link. And I'm certainly not wasting ten minutes of my life watching a video just to please you. Fuck that.
Go fuck your daughter again. Creep.
Hey now! He doesn’t have a daughter. He lives in an alley inside a refrigerator box. Drinking his welfare check away.
Was that “idiots on Twatter” as you just claimed?
You’re bad at this sarc. You should stick to the pathetic drunken loser character you’ve spent years propagating.
"I'm not going to click a Twitter link. And I'm certainly not wasting ten minutes of my life watching a video just to please you. Fuck that."
Hahaha, never change, sarcasmic. Next time you demand a citation I'll link to your post.
Ahhhhhh... the fear of truth.
First you do the strawman response and misrepresent the argument, then you openly ignore evidence of Dems doing even worse - and without them actually saying what evidence they had (hint-none). At least we say what the evidence is when you ask, even though we know that you know most of it anyway.
What evidence?
Speaking of someone who ignores all evidence asking for evidence…
Oof. Embarrassing.
Liar... Liar... Pants on fire...
Not a single statement in that video was there a single denial of the outcome of the election.
That does not alter the fact that Trump was elected by Russia.
You have no association with facts. Why don’t you go out and kick some Republican ass? Try it and report back with your results, you fucking weak pussy.
"Not a single statement in that video was there a single denial of the outcome of the election."
???? Virtually every statement in that video denied the outcome of the election.
"That does not alter the fact that Trump was elected by Russia."
Even AOC and Pelosi aren't claiming that any more. Maybe download a talking-points pdf that isn't three years old, DOL.
Parody.
RE: "Not a single statement in that video was there a single denial of the outcome of the election."
Uhhh... isn't that what illegitimacy means? How can he be illegitimate unless the outcome was not valid?
Are you just a literal person?
Do people normally have to explain things to you?
You do realize that the entire Steele Dossier has been debunked, along with any connections between Trump and Russia? You also realize that the candidate most likely getting Russian help in 2016 was Hillary Clinton? Or are you just an obtuse dipshit?
"while Republicans storm the Capital"
Police injured, more than 200 arrested at Trump inauguration protests in DC
Bursts of chaos erupted on 12th and K streets as black-clad “antifascist” protesters smashed storefronts and bus stops, hammered out the windows of a limousine and eventually launched rocks at a phalanx of police lined up in an eastbound crosswalk. Officers responded by launching smoke and flash-bang devices, which could be heard from blocks away, into the street to disperse the crowds.
“Pepper spray and other control devices were used to control the criminal actors and protect persons and property,” police said.
Anti-Trump protests also broke out Friday in US cities, including New York, Seattle, Dallas, Chicago and Portland, Oregon. Authorities in Seattle say one person was in critical condition at a hospital with a gunshot wound.
In Washington, Newsham told CNN the several hundred demonstrators who actively confronted police were vastly outnumbered by the thousands of nonviolent protesters who swarmed the nation’s capital for Inauguration Day and Saturday’s Women’s March on Washington...
Liberal groups praised the work of protesters, many of whom traveled from around the country to rail against a president they called “illegitimate” in thousands of signs and songs.
In New York, nine people were arrested for disorderly conduct, according to the New York Police Department. Authorities said five people were arrested at a protest in Dallas, six in Chicago.
In Portland, Oregon, protesters were armed with clubs, sticks and throwing unknown liquid at officers, according to the Portland Police Department. Six people were arrested in Portland Friday, Portland Police Sgt. Pete Simpson tells CNN.
In Seattle, people threw bricks and other items at officers during a demonstration on the the University of Washington campus"
That's some acceptance.
I thought you were replying to my second reply, not the first. My mistake.
Imagine being so drunk you lose track of your replies.
That’s the beauty here. We don’t have to imagine it!
I'm pretty sure Trump never conceded the election. That means he has less class than Hildabeast, which I didn't think was possible.
Just kill yourself.
Trump talked a lot of shit but he actually left. Doesn’t matter if he conceded the election or not, the fucker left.
well, yeah, he's a pussy as well as a bullshit artist
"I'm pretty sure Trump never conceded the election. That means he has less class than Hildabeast"
Hillary Clinton Maintains 2016 Election ‘Was Not On the Level’: ‘We Still Don’t Know What Really Happened’
Since the evidence was rather overwhelming, who would do that?
Note that Reps never, ever, even thought of silencing Dems. It was obviously false, there was no need to. In fact it was funny and it still is when watching her Hillary say it.
Although, more recent instances of Hillary still pushing the stolen election nonsense is getting quite pathetic and sad, and therefore not so funny. But her earlier stuff is hilarious.
Then there is that 10 minute video thing. Same thing. Except for some right wing talking heads like Hannity, most Reps didn't get all uptight about their saying the election was rigged. We laughed.
Although honestly, we did start to get annoyed with the long-running not-my-president nonsense. Especially when facts showed that the Russian interference barely made a blip, if at all, on the low info Dem voters.
Of course, when the facts of the Mueller investigation came out, then it all pretty much ceased - finally, except for the Biden hold outs.
What overwhelming evidence? Why weren’t Trump’s lawyers able to summon any of this overwhelming evidence in court?
So much squawking this morning.
Or to put it another way, Democrats try election after election after election after election after election after election until they get their way then declare "The people have spoken! Set this in stone! This shall never come to a vote again!"
Republicans declare the entire electoral system to be fraudulent and undermine the public trust that holds the Republic together.
How is your liver still alive?
When you can't rebut what I say you start with the childish insults. As predictable as the tides.
Sarc wants to discuss ideas here. He’s not full of shit, all the other times where it looks clear he’s just shitposting he’s just joking, man.
Or he’s a raging hypocrite. Who ruined his family because of his behavior when he gets blackout drunk. Hard to keep track, really.
Democrats have called every election they lost illegitimate since 1988.
Every. Single. One.
Yet they accepted the results. And hasn't most of their bitching been about the Electoral College, as opposed to claiming the entire system can't be trusted?
Robert Mueller says you’re a retard.
And claiming that voter ID is unfair because black people don't know how to get it
And claiming Russian memes on Facebook cost them the election.
They were also saying electronic voting machines were no good until the 2020 election when the adjudication procedures on these e-voting machines got them the result they wanted:
https://www.warren.senate.gov/oversight/letters/warren-klobuchar-wyden-and-pocan-investigate-vulnerabilities-and-shortcomings-of-election-technology-industry-with-ties-to-private-equity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtWP0KDx2hA
How do they accept the results exactly? They have the same propensity to say elections were illegitimate years after they lost as Republicans are.
Rioting against a new president assuming office isn't even unique to Jan 6. Dems did that in 2017.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/inauguration-2017/washington-faces-more-anti-trump-protests-after-day-rage-n709946
What level of increased acceptance of the 2016 election did Dems have that Republicans haven't shown since 2020?
And, of course, the difference is that there is massive evidence of actual election theft in 2020, while there is none for 2016.
What massive evidence?
It’s been posted repeatedly. You have and will continue to ignore it.
The ent ire system can’t be trusted. It is that bad, and it is obvious that it is that bad. People like you make it so. You will turn a blind eye to everything and anything your democrat masters do, no matter how corrupt and criminal.
There's a difference between saying the EC isn't fair and claiming such widespread fraud that elections don't matter anymore.
Why are you lying for the left sarc? I know you hate us, but I didn’t see you simping for the left, even when you joined Jeffdee out of desperation.
You’re moving from broken to evil. You should re-evaluate your hate.
It’s all just drunken spite.
If the Democrats do not win, how can it be democracy? It is right in the Party's name.
"President Joe Biden said some things that are indisputably true. He noted that democracy requires candidates to accept the results of "free and fair elections" and that refusing to do so threatens the rule of law as well as the peaceful transfer of power.
Donald Trump and his followers have conspicuously failed that basic test."
Sorry Jake, but I couldn't find your article about how Hillary Clinton and her followers including the entire Democrat party denied the result of the 2016 presidential election for 4 years. Where is that exactly?
And let's not forget the Democratic Party denying the 2018 elections result for governor in Georgia.
Sullum can take his false equivalency and stuff it up his anal orifice.
Yes, I recall their unwavering support for current governor Abrams.
There isn’t one because they didn’t.
Bullshit! Hillary never conceded the election and since then hasn't stopped doing speeches about how the entire electoral system in the country is a fraud! Haven't you paid any attention?
I guess I was fooled by the reports in the lamestream media that she had conceded. But I now know better that EVERYTHING the lamestream media says is a lie.
Why not? You’re a proven liar.
Or 2000 election loss. The Dems have zero credibility on this count. Sullum using this as a point shows that he's a far left progressive hack.
Oh, spare me.
https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1565493427357323264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1565493427357323264%7Ctwgr%5Edefc2fc9c1913ed01b2e0e274999dcbc7b290e20%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Finstapundit.com%2F
Jake, how dare you say that Donald Trump and his followers have conspicuously failed the basic test of peaceful transfer of power! When (see "2000 Mules") the Democrats steal an election, are we supposed to roll over and say they stole it fair and square?
That sounds about right LOL!
I guess The author thinks democratic socialism is a good thing. Goodness, what is happening to this place.
Biden is wrong: "the freedom to vote and have your vote counted" is "the most fundamental freedom in this country."
The most fundamental freedom(s) in this country are listed in the Bill of Rights. People can vote in China, but does it really matter? They can vote in Cuba, but that vote means nothing, since in both countries, the "Preferred" party wins by 98% of the vote.
Without the freedoms listed in the Bill of Rights, the Right to Vote is meaningless. And FWIW, the right to vote is not listed anywhere in the US Constitution. Only that IF the vote is granted to the citizens, it cannot be abridged because of sex (19th amendment) or race (15th) or age (26th). It is, however, guaranteed in most State Constitutions.
It is heartening to see someone insist that we pay attention to the threat which democracy poses. Here may be the worst thing Biden said, "These two documents (Declaration & US Const) and the ideas they embody — equality and democracy — are the rock upon which this nation is built." Biden is 1,000% wrong, wrong, wrong. The foundations are (1) inalienable rights and (2) The Republic.
As Sullum showed, democracy is the way station between a Republic and Tyranny. Biden flunks Political Philosophy 101 with a F-
Lurking behind Biden's belief that that equality is a basic right Pelosi's Identity Politics where Group Rights are what count and whoever gets the most votes gets to decide who gets what rights. That is the essence of the Great Replacement. https://nyti.ms/3yVk9zk October 29, 2018, New York Times, We Can Replacement Them, by Michelle Goldberg
In a Republic where the rule of law and the structure of a Republic protects inalienable rights, there can be no Great Replacement. Replacement can happen in a democracy whenever the majority feel like it. In this respect Wokers are a grater threat to the Republic than Alt Rt Supremacists. Then Alito jumps ahead of the Wokers and with the Dobbs Decision, Alito resurrects The Dred Scott Decision and Popular Sovereignty where the voters in each state decide what inalienable rights a woman can have.
https://bit.ly/3wPVw5m September 1, 2022, CityWatch, Domestic Terrorists Attack Our Constitutional Infrastructure
Excellent comments until your Alito/Dobbs comments.
The decision does not say that women cannot get an abortion at all, it simply says that women do not have an inherent RIGHT to an abortion and then leaves the decision as to when they have a right to get an abortion up to the states.
That said, I wholly disagree with the Dobbs decision in that, at whatever point the preponderance of science cannot say with reasonable certainty that the fetus is not a life and person, it is at that point at which the fetus must be presumed to be a human life and in which it has constitutional, inalienable rights including, obviously, the right to life itself. Ergo, an abortion is then murder of innocent life.
In the case of a woman whose life is endangered by carrying or birthing the child, there is no known logic or theory, moral or constitutional, that I have ever heard of that would allow anyone besides the woman to make the choice as to which life will remain and whether to carry the child further. The right to self-protection and self-preservation is preeminent above all other rights, bar none. Of course, both have that same right.
How does any government prevent the abortion if it means the life of the woman or severe harm? On what basis can the state kill or maim the woman to save the child? Upon what logic could she be sentenced or forced to die? There is none. It is a logical impossibility. It is also a conundrum.
It is the unborn child who threatens the life of the mother, who is already born and whose right to life is perfectly unquestionable, how can she who is defending herself against the threat be forced to die?
There is no logic that exists that can select a born mother to die over an unborn child. The only possible, logical, moral, Constitutional choice that I have ever heard of is for the mother to make a choice between her and her baby. It is not a perfect choice, but there none better.
Well, it's easy to win a debate with a straw man for an opponent. No one is making anything like the argument you are proposing.
The closest thing to it is the concept of medical triage. The way I have heard this explained in the context of dealing with a life-threatening injury to a pregnant mother is as follows:
First, try to save both lives. If both cannot be saved, then attend to the one with the best chance of living. If there is no clear difference between their chances of living, then attend to the mother first, and then the child.
Most civilized nations do not allow mail in ballots because the process has proven itself to be ripe for fraud. When the polls closed on election night Trump had a very comfortable lead. In the swing states, and only the swing states, ballot counting ceased simultaneously in the early morning hours. The following day Biden was leading in every one of those states thanks purportedly to mail in ballots. If you didn't raise an eyebrow when this played out you might not be an objective observer. In those states with the political will to actually investigate the election they have found serious violations of state election law. None of this is a conspiracy theory. These are facts in the public record. To proclaim without reservation that the 2020 election was "free and fair" in the days that followed is not a Reasonable position to take. It's far more Reasonable to be at least skeptical. Oh and before I forget, fuck you Jacob.
Giant spikes in votes for one candidate after 90% of the ballots have been counted is totally legit.
And, of course, those votes get counted after everybody is sent home for the night.
Dems/Progressives - "All done for tonight. Head home. We'll start counting again tomorrow."
Next morning, 10s/100s of thousands of votes get counted at 96-98% clip for Joe Biden.
Dems/Progressives - "Nothing fishy at all. You Republicans are just sore losers."
Non-progressives - "We should audit these votes."
Dems/Progressives - "No! That would bring the election integrity into question!"
Non-progressives - "This sure seems fraudulent."
Dems/Progressives - "You don't have any proof!!!"
Non-progessives - "Well, you refused to let us audit the votes."
Dems/Progressives & Courts - "You don't have standing!"
Then when add other "FACTS":
BALLOTT STUFFING (2000 Mules) which by itself could have changed the election
GA STATE FARM ARENA BLATANT FRAUD, which by itself could have changed that state's election
ZUCKERMAN'S BLATANTLY ILLEGAL ELECTION ENGINEERING, which by itself could have changed the election.
And then you add other substantial EVIDENCE:
1. CORRUPTION OF PROCESSES VOTING: The intentional degrading and corrupting of the voting process by Dems by filing over 600 lawsuits in the year before the primary to increase not only mail-in voting, but also Vote Harvesting and no ID Voting and challenge countless other secure voting processes.
2. OBSTRUCTING REPUBLICANS: Denying Republicans the ability to observe and certify ballot completion, as required by law (fraud) and denying Republicans the opportunity to watch mail-in ballots being trucked and unloaded at large tabulation facilities. Why would you do that for any reason except fraud?
3. 36 YEARS OF BELLWETHER COUNTIES ACCURACY NEARLY WIPED OUT BY 2020 ELECTION - From 1980 through 2016, 19 of the nation’s more than 3,000 counties voted for the eventual president in every election. In a very dramatic first time ever, only 1 of them was right. Washington state’s Clallam County, voted for Joe Biden. JUST A WEIRD COINCIDENCE RIGHT?
4. FRAUD SUSCEPTIBLE VOTER ROLLS: A study dated 10/16/19, 2 months before election, showed that 353 COUNTIES in 29 states had voter registration rates exceeding 100%. AK, CO, MN, MD, MI, NJ, RI and VT showed STATE-WIDE registration rates exceeding 100%. Many Democratic led states absolutely refused to clean up their rolls as required by law and had to be sued in court to be forced to do it, and many are still fighting it.
AND MORE SIGNIFICANT EVIDENCE...
5. 81 MILLION VOTES: Trump got 5 million more votes in 2020 than Obama got in 2008 (69.5 million), which was then the most ever in history, and who was more popular than Biden by far, and still is to this day. Biden had previouisly gotten his butt kicked by everybody, including Hillary in 2016 who got 65 million votes. But somehow, Biden, a decidedly less popular candidate than both Obama and Trump, got 12 million more votes than Obama and 7 million more than Trump.
6. KAMALA HARRIS was the first significant candidate to drop out of the running (way back in Dec 2019) and clearly the weakest candidate. Yet somehow she was selected as Biden’s running mate, which means she added nothing to his campaign and likely detracted from it. So the 2 worst candidates for 2020, according to Democratic voters, somehow trounced not only Obama, but Trump too. Righhhhhhhhht!
7. SOCIAL MEDIA BLACKOUT: All social media and the MSM began blocking positive stories on Trump and negative stories on Biden beginning in late 2019 and increasing to a near complete blackout in September and October 2020 including a complete made-up lie about Hunter’s laptop. The AG, FBI and other agencies blocked information on the investigation of Hunter Biden during the election which showed that Joe Biden lied about his knowledge and participation in Hunter’s activities. The truth about just this one issue by itself – according to polls - could easily have swayed the election for Trump by itself.
AND THEN WHEN YOU CONSIDER:
NO BIDEN ENTHUSIASM: You are already aware of how Biden’s crowds during his campaign stops – when he finally came out of the dungeon, barely matched his own entourage in number. Trump’s rallies were huge and enthusiastic.
Biden’s best campaign rallies in his most popular cities barely equalled, if it ever did, Trumps worst campaign rallies in cities that were against Trump.
-The left complained about old white men in government for the past 4 years and had the most diverse, liberal presidential candidates in election history.
-Biden was often stumbling and incoherent.
-Biden again resurrected numerous racist civil rights faux pas and lies during his campaign and even added a few new doozies.
-Biden continually promulgated a negative Covid message and promised to lockdown America again while Trump continually promulgated an exaggerated, but more accurate, positive message and constantly influenced state authorities to open up.
-The Dems gave tacit approval to innumerable riots with violence which added up to the worst in US history by far.
-The first attempted impeachment was a complete fiasco which showed that the Dems lied continuously about Trump for 2 years. Subsequent information leading up to the election showed, without reservation, that not only was there no Trump Russian collusion, but that there was in fact Democratic, Hillary and DNC collusion with Russians.
-Biden’s campaign was literally on life support before Clyburn and others revived it in order to prevent Sanders from becoming the nominee.
AND LASTLY, THE IMMEDIATE DECLARATION OF “THE MOST SECURE ELECTION IN HISTORY” was a 100% baseless, bald-faced lie.
“According to a Joint Statement by the federal government agency that oversees U.S. election security, the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity, & Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) on 11/12/20: “There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.’ The government & private sector councils that support this mission called the 2020 election ‘THE MOST SECURE IN AMERICAN HISTORY.’”
Suspicious? The statement was 1 day after the Epoch Times, which had been heavily investigating and reporting on election fraud issues, reached out to Dominion for a comment about allegations of fraud and various discrepancies. Dominion did not respond until the day after the above statement was made and then in which Dominion sent it to Epoch in an email.
PROBLEM 1: There was, and still is, zero “evidence” to back CISA’s statement up to this date. Worse, the statement was already effectively proven false by the time it was made. Not to mention the unbelievability factor when so many states had made so many changes reducing the integrity of the vote, it makes the statement almost wholly laughable.
PROBLEM 2: For some reason, and I just cannot imagine why, Dominion and CISA failed to mention that Dominion Voting Systems is a member of CISA’s Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council (EISCC), WHICH IS ONE OF TWO ENTITIES THAT AUTHORED THE STATEMENT put out by CISA. Just by coincidence of course, Smartmatic, another voting machine company with issues in the election, was also a member. In fact, both Dominion and Smartmatic were organizing members of the EISCC.
JUST A COINCIDENCE OF COURSE - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!
SUMMATION: Considering what you pointed out and what I added to it, an objective person would demand a full investigation of the election and would genuinely be very doubtful about whether Biden won.
However, every day voters, most of whom just watch MSM news, likely do not know even 1/3 of this and what they know has been skewed left by liars like the author of this article.
I say liar because either a), he is so ignorant about the facts of this issue and therefore knows that he does not know anything, in which case he knows his opinion is pure BS, or b) he really does know the facts of this issue in which he is lying about what the facts are.
Note that Mike Liarson responded to several of DEllett general comments asking for evidence. Here’s several posts in a row by DEllett with specific evidence, and Dee’s nowhere to be found.
The two campaigns had deliberate strategies to encourage their supporters to vote by different means - Trump, voting in person, and Biden, voting by mail. It is not surprising at all that the absentee ballot count would skew heavily towards Team Blue even in the absence of fraud.
What is surprising is that so many of the mailed-in ballots came in, and were counted, late.
Were the Biden voters told to use mailed-in ballots AND to make sure they didn't arrive in time?
Because it was the fact that the count changed, so drastically, after the polls closed and were tabulated, that suspicions were raised, dramatically.
Also, despite the Biden voters, supposedly taking more advantage of mailed-in balloting, the proportion of mailed-in votes was about even on election day.
That proportion changed, overwhelmingly, in those mailed-in ballots counted the over next few days.
Suspicions were raised? Nonsensical suspicions raised by Donald Trump himself.
Everyone knew way in advance that mail-in ballots would skew Democratic. It was widely discussed and predicted. And then when the expected happened, Donald Trump feined that it was somehow surprising.
And there were numerous proven instances of ballot collection without required chain of custody documentation. Among other problems. Yet those ballots were still counted. Not to mention all the judges decisions altering election law illegally in swing states.
The democrat assault on our electoral integrity has been devastating. The only solution is the complete surrender of the democrat party or their forced subjugation. Or there can be no rule of law.
Yes, the Biden campaign encouraged people vote by mail, and to help with that, the Michigan Democrat secretary of state violated the law by instructing election workers to count mail in ballots with signatures that didn’t match.
And Democrats also helped in Wisconsin by using illegal drop boxes and millions of dollars from Zuckerberg.
And Democrats helped in Atlanta by telling everyone they were done counting ballots and to go home, then pulling out bins of ballots that were hidden under tablecloths. Of course, this was debunked by explaining they weren’t “suitcases”.
But of course, this has all been posted here before and ignored by lefties who will ignore it again, only to pretend there’s no evidence next time.
He noted that democracy requires candidates to accept the results of "free and fair elections" and that refusing to do so threatens the rule of law as well as the peaceful transfer of power.
Donald Trump isn't a true President though, because the Russians elected him.
But that's different, because reasons.
It says a lot that this is basically the prevailing wisdom, if you can call it wisdom at all.
I'm also old enough to remember the 'hanging chads' fiasco, so this all rings pretty fucking hollow to me. Trump is a bombastic troll in my opinion, but even retards have to note he didn't assemble the national guard to stay in office or anything even remotely close to it.
He has to be the worst dictator in history while simultaneously being so crafty and smart that $10’s of millions of investigations couldn’t come up with jack shit.
Truly it is double think, and it's so out in the open it's a wonder no one see's it.
It's right up there with the Emperor's New Clothes, or Hitler's Big Lie.
If Trump is 'Literally Hitler' then Democrats must therefore be the worst and most ineffective bastion against it in the history of the world.
It's interesting to see that the newest Hitler has Jewish family, is keen on Israel, is antiwar and desegregated Palm Beaches golf clubs back in the 80's.
Clearly the crappiest Hitler ever. Trump fails at everything.
Bull pucky! What do mean the investigations didn't come up with jack?
Both final investigations proved that the Dems lied and made the stuff up and that many lied under oath and that many committed other felonies as well.
It also proved how worthless and cowardly so many RINO's and even mainstream Republicans were.
BYODB,
EVERY SINGLE COUNT, even after the decision was made to stop counting, resulted in Bush winning Florida in 2000.
Those were counted by opponents of the Bush presidency, and they still never came up with a win for ALGORE.
The point is that Al Gore 'didn't accept' the election results and forced recounting because he didn't believe the result. He wasn't an elected official at the time, but it doesn't really matter because he still questioned the results.
If we're talking about 'accepting the results of an election' it's notable Trump left office rather than being forced out of office. It boils down to American's being so sheltered that they can't tell the difference between an 'insurrection' and 'questioning election results' despite the fact one of those things just about always involves armed conflict and the other involves words. It only makes sense if you believe words are violence.
Gore was the sitting Vice President. So he was, in fact, an elected official at the time.
That is not the prevailing wisdom. That is a huge straw man.
The prevailing wisdom is that Trump won in 2016, and we had to put up with four years of this country being run by a petulant, idiot child.
Who did a good job. We are far worse off now. For the things Biden has done, things he has done badly, and for what he has not done. We were prosperous when he was president, now we are not. We are in danger of a Third World War, and an anergy and economic crisis on a level we have never seen.
But yeah, we ‘put up with four years of Trump’. Now fuck off.
Dude,
You have a serious case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Your Never Trump BIAS makes you incapable of making a reasonable argument. So what are you doing at Reason? Proving that Libertarian's cannot Govern. I also dislikes an distrusts all Governments and Political Parties. But I can recognize Biden's Fascism, and realize MAGA POSER is the only way to FIGHT for our constitution and end this fascist dictator.
No mater how you and yours bend the definition of Fascism. Trump never was and will never be. He did not have one Party rule like Brandon has. He did not have the Main Stream Media that serves as a Propaganda Machine, like Brandon has. He did not have the ability to Censure Internet Communications like Brandon has. Brandon does not have to fight with Unions, because they are Marxists like he is. Brandon's plan to destroy America and our Constitution is banking on Illegal Immigrants in the future to support Progressive's like him. Politics and overthrowing a Constitutional Republic makes strange Bedfellows.
If the folks at Reason and the Liberation Party, cannot recognize a Fascist Totalitarian regime, working to "FUNDEMENTAL TRANSFORM AMERICA" You are of little value to people who demand LIBERTY.
Sorry for a couple of Typo's. My apologies. I don't see an edit key
There isn’t any one party rule. We just went from a Democrat to a Republican to a Democrat for President. It’s totally up for grabs which party is going to control Congress after the mid-terms. The Supreme Court is dominated by Republican nominees.
This Republican victimhood narrative is so tired. And pernicious, as it is used as an excuse for atrocious behavior from Republicans.
What about BoTh SiDeS?
What party is 98% of the unelected buerocrats?
You should look into who lives in the DC area, what they do for a living, and what party they belong to
It’s really not a big secret.
I know you must be very tired of hearing actual evidence and facts contrary to your wishful thinking, but when a crime is perpetrated against another, we call that person a victim.
The substantial evidence of record in the impeachment investigations and other investigations and what we are seeing now shows quite explicitly that there was and is a deep state, not to mention a more obvious, not-so-deep state, that continually attempted to destroy President Trump and continues to try to impeach and destroy Trump to this day.
And while we went from a Democrat to a Republican and back to a Democrat, the overwhelming evidence shows that it should have remained Republican.
So factually speaking, it really is kind of hard to allege a made-up victimhood and then to allege atrocious behavior (besides Trump's rather distinct unpresidential personal behavior) on the part of Republicans when there has not been any actual evidence of atrocious behavior. That is unless you consider revering and adhering to our constitution is atrocious, then I would certainly consider myself guilty by that new definition.
You are so far gone down the “I’m a victim” rabbit hole.
Fuck you, you little pussy. Try responding to any of what we’ve said. Of course you can’t, because you’re wrong and we’re right. Nothing backs up anything you have to say.
Oh, wait! I misspoke. The behavior of those who actually attacked Capitol Police and other innocent people on January 6th was definitely atrocious.
But by any lawful and moral standard, no where near as atrocious as the Left's Summer of Love in which they did so much worse that it is not even comparable on any level; people hurt, people killed, police hurt or killed, federal or state buildings damaged or destroyed, businesses damaged or destroyed; that actual, real insurrection of CHAZ/CHOP and many other attempts, their attack on the White House; BLM and Antifa's stated goals of destroying our government.
How did the small portion of protesters, WHO WERE VIOLENT RIOTERS, compare in any way? Can you explain that?
First of all, I don’t excuse any rioting in the streets.
However, what was especially atrocious about the January 6th riot is that it was an attempt to interfere with the peaceful transition of Presidential administrations resulting from a clean election.
Liar. You excused it all throughout 2020.
You were for antifa and BLM. You lied for them and tried to cover for their riots, for their murders, their rapes, and their spread of terror. You are with the terrorists. De o rats always are.
Trump limited his rage mostly to twitter and campaign events. On what's supposed to be a national stage, he rarely acted like demented manic like Biden was on that "unity" platform.
Biden criminalized half the country and branded them as traitors. This man, who ignores the human crisis at the borders, fails to stock baby formula for desperate mothers and orchestrated one of the worst foreign policy blunders in history, lives in a fantasy world where MAGA guys are killing people everywhere and plotting insurrections. The guy has no functioning mind, he gets fed talking points by the same crowd who thought attacks on Asians were motivated by Trump inspired China hate. Sullum is too busy playing equivalency games to see what was really going on there.
Here is the difference between reason writers and the reason commenting community - the latter recognizes that not all threats to limited government and personal freedom are the same. The democrats are a unique, pressing threat to your freedom and a much faster gateway to a Venezuela like society. Even if you make allowance that they're better on social issues, their overreaching desire for a nirvana offsets all of it. You're not going to live in a gay drug commune if the price of bread is 20 dollars.
If the choice was between Biden and trump, I vote for Trump. If it was between Biden and Liz Cheney, I vote for cheney. Joseph Biden cannot be the president of the country. He is mentally incapable, and his partial student debt cancellation, aside from being a naked vote bribery is potentially the opening salvo for more extreme measures. This guy could outlaw gas gars by 2030.
This man will be DEAD within 20 years. When a man is 80 years old, his final act in life cannot be placing burdens on his children or future gen. It's the worst mistake a man can make. If anything else, the 40% who still approve of him are unseen threats to our future. If they ran the country, we're venezuela sooner or later.
“You're not going to live in a gay drug commune if the price of bread is 20 dollars.”
You can if you’re getting enough of that sweet Koch cash. How much do you think a good propagandist makes?
Sullum steals a base along with Biden, and Sullum doesn't even realize that he did it. Because he is not very good at logic.
There is not a single MAGA Head who has "refused to accept free and fair elections." Find me one MAGA Head who has gone on record to say, "You know what? I know Biden *actually* won, but I don't accept the results anyways." The fact of the matter is, they do not believe that it was a free and fair election.
Now either Sullum is lying or he is so cloistered in his blue bubble that he doesn't understand this. I cannot really be sure which is worse. Either way, Sullum should step right off of his tut-tutting about people not accepting "free and fair elections", because as near as I can tell, no one is advocating that.
If Sullum had even an ounce of intellectual heft capable of rising above the gruel Biden served him, he would understand the real, actual threat to our democracy. Because no matter how you cut it, NO DEMOCRACY CAN SURVIVE IF HALF OF THE CITIZENS DON'T BELIEVE THE ELECTIONS WERE FREE AND FAIR.
Biden did nothing to help with that problem. And in fact, he made it worse last night. Sullum should spend a few minutes exercising Trump from his thoughts, and really contemplating the consequences of that very real problem with our union.
Just for the sake of evidence:
Prior to the 2020 election, majorities of Democrats, Republicans and Independents thought that the 2020 election would "Probably" or "Definitely" be rigged. That is overall, 53% of the fucking republic who didn't believe that the election would be free and fair.
What do we really think would happen if some 50,000 votes in swing states had gone the other way? Do we think that the same asshole politicians who were screaming "Russian interference!" "Not My President" for 4 fucking years would calm their side down? Really?
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/518987-poll-bipartisan-agreement-on-the-possibility-of-a-rigged/
And oh, hey look, here is an Axios Ipsos Poll from June of this year:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/curiosity/axios-january-6-revisited/
Only 55% of the country thinks Biden legitimately won the 2020 election.
Now, to pervert the old casino adage, if 10% of your public does not agree that your president is legitimate, they have a problem. But if 45% of your public feels that way, the president, the country and you have a problem.
You can rail all you want about MAGA Heads failing basic tests, but that ain't going to fix shit when nearly half the country can't agree that you are legitimate.
You are misrepresenting that poll.
Question: Do you accept Joe Biden as having legitimately won the 2020 presidential election?
Yes: 55%
No: 26%
Not Sure: 16%
No Answer: 3%
So even if we accept this poll as statistically valid, it is not true that 45% reject Biden as the winner. Only 26% do. And I think it's safe to say that these are the diehard MAGA-heads.
And by the way. In 2016, 15% of voters did not accept that Trump won legitimately. And yes of course they were the diehard Clinton supporters.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/197441/accept-trump-legitimate-president.aspx
So in both cases they are small minorities of diehard partisans who don't accept the results. And I have no problems telling both groups to go fuck off. I'm not interested in trying to bend over backwards with either group trying to convince them that the election was *legitimate enough* when they are, very likely, not going to accept the results no matter what is said. Yes, they are very much like children who get mad when they are told they can't have ice cream for dinner.
Ohh, you got him Lying Jeffy. Only 42% said that either it wasn’t or weren’t sure, not 45%.
You realize saying you’re not sure if the election was legit is questioning the legitimacy of the election, right?
Fuck off. You're in the 26% camp full of children who are throwing a temper tantrum because they can't eat ice cream for dinner.
Watch your mouth, you morbidly obese nebbishy child rape enthusiast. A pussy like you doesn’t get to talk tough. You’re also a goddamned liar.
Everyone with an actual brain knows there were a number of problems with the 2920 elections. You’re just a lying retard.
"So even if we accept this poll as statistically valid, it is not true that 45% reject Biden as the winner."
No, Chemjeff. As usual, you are projecting. You are misrepresenting ME. Please, look at what I wrote. At what point did I say 45% "reject biden".
So as usual, your entire premise is wrong, and everything else you said is irrelevant from there.
I suppose I am being uncharitable here. For all I know, your blind partisanship has you so focused on the trees that you are missing the forest.
In the working world, there is a metric called the Net Promoter Score, or NPS. The idea is that you ask a persons like "On a scale of 1 - 10, how likely are you to recommend our service? (1- Not Likely, 5 Neutral, 10 - Definitely likely)."
With NPS, you take the percentage of people who chose 1 - 6 (Note that includes the Neutral scores) and subtract that from the percentage of people who scored 9-10. That is your NPS. This score is well used, because it models how brands succeed or fail. Now there are a lot of reasons behind this, but the short summary is that even neutral people hurt your brand, because they do not advocate for it when it comes up, and their "meh" attitude is seen by others as a bad thing, not actually neutral.
I am not saying this was an NPS survey, but the results have very similar parallels. Some kid out there is asking their parent, "Dad, some kids say Biden isn't really president, is that true?" And if that dad says, "I don't know, Billy," it is JUST AS BAD as saying "Hell no."
45% of the nation is currently going through life unsure or outright rejecting the legitimacy of our government.
If all you can do is sit there and say, "Well that's all those stupid Trumpers!" then you are going to be shocked when the rioting begins. And Biden is telling these people that if their point of view makes them belligerents in the "war for our nation's soul". If you don't understand that this is how democracies fail, you have a big fucking problem in front of you, and I can't help you.
Because no matter how you cut it, NO DEMOCRACY CAN SURVIVE IF HALF OF THE CITIZENS DON'T BELIEVE THE ELECTIONS WERE FREE AND FAIR.
So let's have a thought experiment and say the election results were legit, meaning Trump and his followers are wrong. Not just wrong, but childishly refusing to accept the results until they get what they want. Wouldn't that amount to undermining the public trust, and the future of the Republic, for one man-child's fragile ego? Just a thought.
Fortunately that isn’t true. Although I could see where a drunk, broken, angry low life loser. Ishtar think so. Hypothetically.
If the future of the Republic depends on blindly trusting the current system, we have no Republic.
Free, fair, transparent, and auditable elections can be implemented, as other nations have demonstrated: voting on a single day, voter identification, no vote-by-mail, abandoning the "voter intent" standard, well-documented chain of custody, paper ballots, etc.
The question is why Democrats refuse to implement such basic, widely used election procedures in the US. That is what is undermining "the future of the Republic".
And that has nothing to do with Trump; the ridiculously insecure state of voting in the US was clearly demonstrated by Bush v. Gore more than 20 years ago.
The question is why Democrats refuse to implement such basic, widely used election procedures in the US.
The answer to that is easy. Uniform election standards would require federal law, and there's nothing in the Constitution giving that power to the federal government. It clearly falls under the 10A.
That's a non-answer. Democrats are fighting such procedures tooth and nail at the state and local level as well.
In fact, Democrats tried to outlaw voter identification and other sensible measures at the federal level. So much for your b.s. excuse.
In fact, Democrats tried to outlaw voter identification and other sensible measures at the federal level.
I answered that above.
https://reason.com/2022/09/02/trump-disregards-democracy-while-biden-ignores-its-dangers/?comments=true#comment-9683940
I'm sorry, I should have been clearer. When I said "the question is", I meant "the rhetorical question is".
Obviously, Democrats are refusing to implement election reforms because the current system lets them manipulate elections in their favor, instead of reflecting the informed will of the electorate.
About a year ago the Democrats were pushing a national election law to mandate the crap standards that helped them win this last election on every state, permanently. 10A limitations were not deterring most of them.
U.S. Constitution
Article 1
Section 4
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Place of Chusing Senators.
Yes, the Constitution gives that power to the federal government, explicitly.
Not that Democrats give a shit about the Constitution. But I don't think national election standards would get past the Supremes.
This is the same reason why term limits would not stand. The Constitution is pretty clear on the requirements and nowhere is a term limit.
"So let's have a thought experiment and say the election results were legit"
Let's not. How about we do a different thought experiment, called "looking at reality".
45% of the populace does not agree that Biden won the election legitimately.
Now you can be as snide as you want to, accusing them of being children. That doesn't make them suddenly go away. So what are you going to do about it?
Come on. Give me something substantive. Or are you just going to do the same thing you always do- make snide little comments trying to act all superior, and then when asked to back up your little temper tantrums, accuse me of having a stick up my ass?
Let's not.
Alright. Good night.
If you refuse to consider things from other points of view, especially views you disagree with, then I really don't have much interest in conversing with you.
Fine, Sarcasmic. I will take your condescending advice at face value and in return, offer you some advice. Please understand that I am not doing this to be mean. I am doing it because I earnestly WISH you were someone worth having a conversation.
The entire premise of my post was that these people have a different point of view- they don't think this was a free and fair election. In response, you come to my thread, demean their point of view as childish and illegitimate, and chide me for not engaging YOUR point of view. That's rich. And hypocritical.
But this seems par for the course with you. If I said, "That's insulting to call millions of people children," you'd play the trickster- "Lighten up Overt, I'm just joking man. Get that stick out of your ass!" But this time, when I decline to play the game, you act like the wounded gentleman who was only ever interested in genuine conversation (a conversation started with mocking derision). Forgive me if I either don't understand which Sarc I am talking to, or have concluded that this is just a stupid rhetorical game you play in order to bail on any substantive debate.
I'll be clear- your behavior over the last few weeks has convinced me that you actually don't want to converse with me. As near as I can tell, you want someone to say "Totes good burn, Sarc! Those 70 million citizens ARE children, hur dur." And if you can't have that, you will settle for turning my thread into the millionth shit slinging exchange with JesseAz, et al. That's not conversing.
Mind you, I used to wonder why you spend day after day shitting up the threads with this antagonizing troll bait, only to play the poor besot victim minutes later...but I'll be really honest, Sarcasmic...I've run out of fucks to give at this point.
Now I could suggest that if you respond to me with something other than your absurdly transparent rhetorical traps, maybe I'd engage you in kind. But as I said, I just don't care any more. So, go get your "Amen +1s" from someone else if that is what you want, and stop replying to my fucking threads if you don't want to see me dismissing your valueless prattle for what it is.
I think he's dead, dude. That was a hell of a curbstomping.
The other point of view that people you disagree with are childish?
I’m starting to think you really are just stupid, and we should pity you.
Trying to follow your hypothetical. In this scenario the facts are that Trump didn't win. Do he and his followers not know the facts or do they know this fact and deny it? Being wrong and being knowingly wrong are two different premises.
Additional question. Even if the fact is that the Trump lost, are there ways here to communicate that fact unambigiously whilst rebutting every single challenge to that factual claim perfectly? Have all counter claims been fully heard on their merits rather than say dismissed for lack of standing without a factual examination?
Just trying to figure out what part of the leg work I need to do for your thought experiment.
“Not just wrong, but childishly refusing to accept the results until they get what they want.”
Yes, let’s have a thought experiment where sarc calls people children. That’s a rational approach to the topic.
Now I get why mostly sarc just acts like a jackass with no position. Because when he tries to take a position, he confirms he’s a jackass.
Why have a thought experiment on a ridiculously false assertion? That would just give it credence.
Why not actually consider the evidence? Why not just talk only about actual evidence?
Because that would then give credence to facts and evidence which would destroy the myth of a fair election.
ERGO, people who exercise their free speech with opinions alleging a fraudulent election must be shut up and shut down, persecuted and prosecuted, until there is no longer any mention of it.
Truth has inherent power. It can destroy lies and it can destroy those who tell the lies.
Lies have no power unless they are perceived as truth and that can only happen when truth is hidden or controlled by the liars. Therefore, those who tell truth must be silenced or destroyed.
Have you still not considered the fact that Sullum is an evil totalitarian drone who would gladly aid the leftist/globalist regime commit mass democide?
Sullum has a raging, terminal case of TDS. There was plenty of criticism for Biden's speech last night. Playing the both sides card is a classic symptom of TDS.
This article is yet another example of why libertarians will never be taken seriously as a party or a political movement. The inability to see or admit that the last election was anything but "free" nor especially "fair" is both comical and pathetic. Please stop giving libertarians a bad name.
You know what would help us see how the last election was not free and fair? If Trump’s lawyers had presented any proof in any of their court cases.
They couldn’t have presented proof without audits. If the Dems wanted to prove that the election was legitimate, they should have had it audited.
There have been recounts and audits up the ying yang. Georgia has been recounted three or four times now.
And not once has any Trumpian complained about Republicans who won election on the very same ballots they claim are fake.
Well, it seems kind of obvious that if you recount illegal or questionable votes, you will still come up with the same figures. Yet the Dems still feared the outcome so bad that they fought tooth and nail to prevent any auditing of any sort including recounts.
If the count was very close, then I would fear a recount if I was the winner, but I cannot possible see any reason to oppose a recount exactly because it was close. That is exactly what should happen by law automatically.
But if an election was not that close, why would the winning side fear a recount? The only reason would be because they had doubts about the win or how it was won.
Why would anyone fear an audit? Well duh, because they fear an audit may change the results. Why else would someone fear verifying that the election was valid?
The problem which angers people, particularly the losers in this case, is that thousands upon thousands of clearly questionable votes were not adjudicated. They have just been ignored. If we are to trust our elections, then every single questionable vote must be investigated and verified.
Why did we have to depend on news organizations to determine if dead people voted? Especially news organizations in which lying, deceiving and overtly supporting a particular candidate are characteristic?
Why do private organizations like Judicial Watch have to spend millions suing states to get them to clean up their rolls and still refuse to do so?
Gee, no election problems here, right?
No significant election problems.
There WERE audits. But Trump partisans continue to be dissatisfied that those audits don’t show any fraud.
So a Democrat SOS telling election workers to ignore non-matching signatures wasn't significant?
Anything that might prove Trump’s claims isn’t significant. Sarc hates Trump more than he cares about anything else.
Not 1 single challenged county has done a full audit, which includes every challenged aspect of the vote/election.
Why, because they fear that fraud will be discovered.
We counted all the votes here in Maricopa County AZ twice, but no person can be sure if their vote was actually counted (not just received) or how it was counted or how many fraudulent votes were counted.
But gee, Dems think that is 100% okay. Who cares about faith and trust in elections.
Wonder why?
Mike,
Not 1 single challenged county has done a full audit, which includes every challenged aspect of the vote/election.
Why, because they fear that fraud will be discovered.
We counted all the votes here in Maricopa County AZ twice, but no person can be sure if their vote was actually counted (not just received) or how it was counted or how many fraudulent votes were counted.
But gee, Dems think that is 100% okay. Who cares about faith and trust in elections.
Wonder why?
Most of the cases were dismissed for lack of standing, rather than dismissed on the merits of evidence. You do have some courts that found election procedures were unlawfully changed.
Keep telling yourself that. When given a chance to present evidence in hearing after hearing, Trump’s lawyers filed nothing but innuendo, typos, hearsay, and even evidence from precincts in the wrong states.
You are the one, who keeps telling himself that.
The SCOTUS, in a clearly evident violation of Pennsylvania law, sent a signal to lower courts that they should not get involved in election matters, by refusing to rule on that case.
The stories of Trump's lawyers failing when they were in front of courts is part of the mainstream media's assistance with the steal.
They refused to rule on the case because they would be interfering in state matters. Trump’s own nominees.
So you admit then that they did not reject the case based on an absence of malfeasance or fraud, contradicting your own prior statements.
^
If you ignore the actual cases where it was ruled that election changes were illegal, you can claim that there were no cases! Brilliant!
Without question, Trump, Powel and Giuliani exaggerated the actual evidence available at the time in many instances, though certainly not in hindsight. But apparently you did not actually read any of the court cases.
Most of the cases were dismissed for stupid and false reasons without consideration of the evidence. For some reason, genuine allegations and evidence of wrongdoing or breaking election laws did not seem to matter in this election. Some of it was disturbingly obvious. And yet, very few cases were given an objective hearing.
Cera
I read a ton of cases: like I said, typos, hearsay, rumors, sometimes even listing precincts from the wrong state.
You read 2,000 cases?
Powhatan he means to say is that whoever sends him his talking points claims to have read everything and assures him that all these things are so.
Does anyone here really believe Dee actually went and read this stuff? I sure as fuck don’t.
Agree. For most of my life, being forced to vote in the Republican Party, I have had to qualify being a Republican with "conservative", and then it was "true conservative" and then "Libertarian Conservative".
But what now? "True Libertarian Conservative"? "Constitutional Libertarian"? "Original Constitutionalist"?
And also dude: We are NOT in a Democracy. This is a Constitutional Republic. Specifically designed by the Founders to limit pure majority rule. (aka: The Mob) Brandon's definition of Democracy that he always speaks of, is Mob rule, and YES, MAGA is opposed to pure democracy just like our Founders. I thought all Libertarian's knew that, and love the FREEDOM and LIBERTY it gives us.
Reason Editors are NOT libertarians. They're far left progressives; many of which, like Sullum, have terminal TDS.
A bit of an exaggeration I think, but I certainly have noticed many more articles by those who are clearly not Libertarians and I am very concerned that many of them are now progressives.
It is my belief that the great majority of articles should be supporting or at least genuinely debating the Libertarian or Constitutional view.
We can certainly disagree with what is Constitutional of course, but the views expressed should provide a well-reasoned and factual basis to support an unusual or contrary view or even a traditional view for that matter.
I would not have any rule against anyone from any party or school of thought from expressing their views in this magazine, but I would never allow an article that just presents an opposing view without a reasoned and factual basis and certainly would not allow an article that is simply relativistic, especially in the face contrary evidence. That is rather obviously a liberal and especially progressive tactic.
“… and YES, MAGA is opposed to pure democracy just like our Founders.”
Oh, is that why Trump keeps the total of popular votes he received?
Fucking weak. Even for a punk ass bitch pussy like you.
Yep, that's IT in a nutshell.
A recent piece by a NYT (of all places) by Bret Stephens entitled "History History?" discussing the progressive mob's response to an article by the current (soon to be "canceled" of course) head of the American Historical Association, is a great read. Illuminates clearly the character of today's progressive mob and this from a card carrying bonified liberal, i.e. a "liberal" liberal - a breed facing extinction.
Trump might be completely delusional, but he clearly thinks he won the election and Democrats stole it from him.
That's not being against democracy. Reality, sure.
OTOH, Democrats basically want to mass arrest everyone that isn't a Democrat. They just declared Republicans to be an actual enemy od democracy and used totalitarian imagery to push that message
Trump's view of the election is realistic: he understands he has legally lost, but he believes that his loss was due to widespread violations of election laws. Calling that "delusional" is buying into Democratic propaganda that US elections are free, fair, and secure.
The word “enemy” was not used in Biden’s speech. It’s interesting that I have seen it repeated half a dozen times by right-wing commenters here although it wasn’t said.
Biden said (Quoting ENB here) that the Trump Supporters:
"do not respect the Constitution," "do not believe in the rule of law," "do not recognize the will of the people," and "represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic," said Biden. They "refuse to accept the results of a free election," "promote authoritarian leaders," and "fan the flames of political violence."
So he described enemies but didn't use the word.
Mike is being a pedantic troll, and of course that isn't new. He loves nothing more than to be exactly as divisive as Biden is being. Why here is an example of him in a single thread insisting that no one ever claimed vaccines would stop the pandemic, but they would have stopped the pandemic if those meddling MAGA Heads had gotten with the program.
https://reason.com/2022/02/02/can-the-medical-innovations-used-to-fight-covid-19-finally-defeat-hiv/?comments=true#comment-9336124
He just makes shit up, and assumes that no one will ever call him on it. Tomorrow, even though I have responded to him, he will be on another thread repeating the exact same bullshit- because he isn't hear to converse. He is here to sell a narrative and sell it hard, acting like a central middle of the road guy.
Excellent response!
Biden didn't say enemy but he called them a "threat to our country" said they "threaten our Republic" are "a threat to our personal rights, to the pursuit of justice, to the rule of law, to the very soul of this country" a "threat to American democracy" called them "insurrectionists" repeatedly called them a force of "darkness and despair" and "carnage" and said they're part of an "attack on our democracy."
If you're only point is that Biden didn't use a specific word but used several different synonyms for that word I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.
Thank you for sticking to what was actually said.
That's so much better. Way to fight the good fight, Mikey.
Birds gotta squawk.
Notice Mike's MO here.
He'll drop these little one liner "gotchas" over and over and over again. Every single thread, he is dropping these little one liners. It is a game of volume for him. Worst case, someone rebuts him as above, and he'll just move on. But his hope is that several of these get missed. It is a giant game to him to stir up shit.
Have to amend that. Biden used the word to speak out against calling fellow Americans enemies. Here is the exact quote of the one use of the word “enemies” in his speech:
“Folks, and it’s up to us. Democracy begins and will be preserved, and we the people’s habits of the heart — in our character, optimism that is tested, yet endures, courage that digs deep when we need it. Empathy that fuels democracy. The willingness to see each other not as enemies but as fellow Americans.“
So don't use the word enemy, but just overtly describe them as enemies, anti-American, anti-democracy etc., and you will be okay.
Got it.
Yes, what was actually said.
As a classic narcissist, Trump is obviously delusional in some respects. In regards to the election however, the evidence supporting an unfair and stolen election is quite substantial.
There is no reason for legions of genuine conservatives like myself to follow Trump down a rabbit hole because we have lost an election. There simply isn't any basis for it.
If there was, then we would be hearing genuine evidence and reasoning supporting that theory.
If there was, then they would not be trying to silence us because truth would do that for them.
NO ONE WHO KNOWS THEY ARE ON THE SIDE OF TRUTH EVER TRIES TO SILENCE THE OPPOSITION. Only those who know the truth does not lie with them.
Where is all this substantial evidence.
See under Gaear Grimsrud's post at 6:17pm
Can’t. Have him muted for all his personal attacks.
Dee mutes everyone who disproves his narratives.
Right in front of your eyes to put it bluntly. Many of the facts are not well known, but at least half of them are and that more than enough for any objective person, which obviously does not include you - at least on this issue.
Right back at you: I believe you are the one not being objective.
I’ve been saying for years that we would have to get rid of them. I predicted this shit over a decade ago. We can no longer have a democrat party, or leftists, in the US.
Sullum serves up another farrago of strained-to-the-breaking-point moral equivalence.
Seemed pretty accurate.
If the Republican Party's always inconsistent defense of limited government was not enough to discredit its supposed devotion to constitutional principles, the fact that it has now organized itself around Trump's self-flattering delusions decisively proves that it stands for nothing worth defending. The Democratic Party, meanwhile, has always been willing to ditch the Constitution when it proved inconvenient.
Couldn't have done a better job of explaining why I don't vote.
Then your drunken anti Trump ravings have no point, do they?
Borth Sirdes!
What's your point? One of the two sides is good? I'll agree that the R-side is kinda sorta less bad in some ways, like on guns and taxes, but that's about it. But calling them good? Fuck no. They both suck.
So yes. Both sides. Both sides suck. Hear hear! The all suck balls!
Yet you focus on criticizing one of them……….
Those who genuinely support the principles of the Constitution are the good guys.
That would be true conservative Reps as opposed to RINO's and also true Libertarians as opposed to false ones. How do you tell? By what they support of course.
That would very rarely include a Democrat and never, EVER, include a progressive.
People who say they all suck are the ones who are just too lazy to think, reason or fact-check. They are almost as bad as non-voters, although some obviously are because that is one of the prime excuses of people who do not vote.
They both suck.
Those who genuinely support the principles of the Constitution are the good guys.
No - those who genuinely support LIBERTY are the good guys. Supporting the Constitution and supporting liberty are not the same thing.
Problem is, there is more than one conception of liberty. Right-leaning folks tend to view liberty as "freedom from restraint". Left-leaning folks tend to view liberty as "empowerment to act". They might claim that the welfare state is totally consistent with liberty because it enables people not to have to struggle just to put food on the table, instead it empowers people to do more with their lives beyond mere subsistence. The argument is flawed, but it is sincere.
That is exactly why what I said is true.
The left likes to redefine words and create new definitions that effectively contradict the previous meanings. Orwell called it doublespeak, which is just another form of a lie.
The Constitution is based on principles.
The left is based on anti-principle. If saying something is true in one thing may mean it is also true in similar things, then that prevents them from lying.
Yes, the left does engage in redefining words, but what chemjeff describes is a legitimate different conception of the role of government in a free society.
re: Different conception...
I would not describe as "legitimate" a definition of liberty in which one groups gains liberty at the other group's expense.
Yes, exactly. You wouldn’t. They do.
Whoops! I may have been partially wrong. Sort of.
There is the figure of speech "taking the liberty to...." or "took the liberty of...." followed by the action of doing or the action that was done.
So yes, there is the almost diametrically opposed "figure of speech" in which there is the TAKING of a liberty from another. However, even that is usually in the context of attempting to do a favor for another, but in which they took a chance as to whether the person receives it as such.
This would be wholly in contrast to the Dems modus operandi of ignoring individual rights by asserting a superior knowledge of what is right for those persons and then summarily ignoring the law.
The left has impulses they intake for empathy. It’s a sociopathic thing. They be,I’ve ether are empathetic, when in fact they’re just vicious sociopaths who seek control. It’s just concern trolling on steroids used as a weapon to gain more control and satisfy this delusion.
Plus, it’s not like the left has any values. In fact, leftists regularly campaign on having no morals. Just situational ethics they use to excuse their lawlessness.
Pretty much.
Really? When has Trump ever "disregarded democracy"?
Sullum, you are a damned apologist for fascists. And by "fascists", I mean Biden and his ilk.
Here's an idea for a political cartoon.
Trump squatting over a ballot box with a steaming shit on top while Biden wipes his ass with the Constitution.
Biden could just stick it in his diaper. I'm guessing someone else does the wiping at this point.
Probably his Secret Service detail. Based on how democrats treat them.
Biden's handlers just bypassed the legislative branch and used 9/11 to make college even more expensive and, oh yeah, buy a bunch of votes. I'd say there is plenty of democracy-disregarding to go around.
He also enacted an eviction moratorium SCOTUS had already ruled as being unconstitutional before he did it.
He also...... ad infinitum
He's buying votes he already had. I'd hate to see the lengths he'll go to convince non-believers.
Some people are given a monopoly on morality, force, every time there is an election, and they abuse it, exploit the many. Then the many ignore it, continue to vote, submit, i.e., self-enslave, e.g., vote to be ruled. How is this not self-sacrifice, self-destruction? Why do it? And keep doing it, for millennia? Are humans an intelligent species? Some. The dissenters, the self-governors, the outliers, have no rulers. The majority excuse their ruler-masters and deride the sovereign as chaotic anarchists. Which group are you in? Think about it, if you know how.
'Biden says "the freedom to vote and have your vote counted" is "the most fundamental freedom in this country." The Framers saw things differently. They understood that unconstrained democracy, like unconstrained autocracy, poses an intolerable threat to liberty.'
So, slave-owning fascists, right?
“… it strains CREDIBILITY …”
A sitting president just declared millions of people enemies of the state on the criteria of questioning his legitimacy and supporting candidates who oppose his agenda and Reason is really trying to both-sides this shit.
Exactly! We are not reading a logical, factual, REASONed opinion of both sides. We are reading a pathetic and sophomoric attempt to paint the two as equal villains when the real, factual truth is so far from that. Whatever one may think of Trump, and he is no saint and he was so unpresidential, Trump excelled in doing and accomplishing more than any other president in modern history and while being under constant false attacked by Biden and the Dems. Talk about a difference of night and day.
My view of Trump specifically on this stuff they took from his home is that the raid is purely political and they're applying a standard they'd never apply evenly, but that Trump (or maybe just his lawyer who signed a statement saying they handed over all the classified docs the gov't asked for) committed a technical foul big enough that he will go to prison.
Frankly, I think Trump's presidency was a shitshow and even still he accomplished better results for Americans than any president in my lifetime. The best thing I think Trump gave the American people though is not any policy platform, but the idea that we can drop our political pretenses that there are things like a fair/unbiased press or that we must live up to a certain level of civility as we're taxed to death and our rights are shat upon. From there, I think Trump is a spent force. His biggest utility now would be to get charged and then convicted (specifically in a DC federal court where the jury pool is so obviously biased against him that all his supporters and a fair chunk of independents see that Trump was not given a fair trial. He might be able to fight it a bit on appeal, but his conviction will make him enough of a martyr that a significant portion of the country just says "Trump was our last chance at resolving the problems we see in this country through the legal/official system and now it's time to just call for a divorce and go our separate ways."
So, you are cheering for Trump because he is destroying our government. Wonderful.
Read it again, this time for comprehension.
Oh, I comprehended it quite well.
Yes, stupid people like you believe idiotic ideas like the one you just had. But the rest of us, who are all smarter that you, know better.
No you didn't.
I stumbled upon Reason magazine and libertarianism with the impression that libertarians believe government isn't a singular source of good that demands exaltation. The government has run up $30 trillion in debt in your name and the name of every conceivable generation beyond you, in the service of bombing innocent people you've never met for reasons no one can properly explain. The government spies on you constantly and will not hesitate to shoot your dog, your children and your wife if they think you are in possession of something they dislike, be it a plant or a gun that's the wrong measurement. Our government is incapable of equally enforcing the laws that it demands its citizens view as sacred. It regularly and egregiously engages in hypocrisy and its hypocrisy is the source of immense human suffering.
My point was not that Trump was even destroying the government. He very much did not do that thing. My point is that while doing all the unconscionable things I just mentioned, the government has also cultivated a cult of religious devotion and demanded they fealty and reverence they do not deserve. Trump has done nothing to "destroy" the government, only put on display that the government is a ridiculous entity with no moral high ground.
What amazes me is all the people who worked for Trump who turned on him. That always happens a little, but even considering that he is probably a jerk to work for if you don't understand him (I don't). He was quite successful overall and he was definitely smarter than most of them.
I can't help but wonder if those turning on him are those who are just inherently political people who go with the wind and fold when threatened as anyone who worked for him has been, which obviously explains at least some of it.
He can't even find a decent lawyer. He's never paid a lawyer. He's a severely mentally ill sociopath and very probably the stupidest person ever to be a head of state.
You are confused because of the cognitive dissonance. He really is as ridiculous as he looks. Just turn off the fucking Republican juice machine and look with your eyes and listen with your ears.
Was that actually a reply to what I said above was that just another opportunity for a baseless, ignorant rant?
Was your post satire?
Everyone's turning on Trump, despite the fact that the only people remaining around him are the most anonymous, stupidest motherfuckers in the universe, because he's a corrupt psychopath who stole classified national security material from the United States.
He's bin fucking Laden and you're perplexed that people are not sticking by him?
All you had to say was yes.
I take it you're top advisor when the qualification is stupidest motherfucker in the universe. If not, you are still out there being dumber than whoever he hired.
Tony is a moronic Marxist swishbuckler.
They turned on him?
You like Trump because you think he gave you permission to be rude and act like a shit-flinging baboon.
You need to set your aims higher in life.
Tony, you’ve always been a subnormal, snatchy idiotic, smug little bitch. So we don’t need anyone’s permission to slap you around.
"You like Trump because you think he gave you permission to be rude and act like a shit-flinging baboon."
No, I understand that Trump exposed politics for the mass of shit-flinging baboonery it has always been. Biden said Romney wanted to put black people back in chains years before Trump ran for office. Obama called people who like their 2A rights intact "bitter clingers." These things all predate Trump. Trump just took that kind of rhetoric and said it as a Republican, which made the mainstream media actually report on it. I didn't say I "like Trump" at all, your reading comprehension just sucks.
Trump accomplished very little. He spent half of his term focused on whining about how victimized he was.
He got some good things done. Worthless treasonous counts like you helped prevent a lot of good things from happening.
I really hope you die.
On the criteria of undermining democracy and fomenting armed rebellion.
The electoral college voted, and Biden is president. Now, stop fucking farm animals and read a fucking book.
You should give the Democrat's next unity speech.
That would be entertaining, and probably contain just as much factual information.
RE: "democracy requires candidates to accept the results of "free and fair elections"
IT IS LIES LIKE THIS THAT MAKE ME WANT TO CANCEL MY SUBSCRIPTION TO REASON in so many stories that I am seeing now.
They were not at all fair as a huge body of evidence indicates, but even if the writer is astoundingly unaware of that evidence, any objective person would at least point out that we have genuinely believe it was not a fair election and that there is certainly some evidence to support that.
-AND SHALL WE MENTION TRUMP'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS VS BIDEN'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS - a difference between night and day? One being positive, the other negative.
-AND WHILE TRUMP WAS BEING PERSECUTED AND PROSECUTED THE WHOLE TIME and even now.
Certainly, opposing opinions should be heard, but not sophomoric attempts at equal-handedness rather than truth. This is really starting to upset me and rethink my subscription to Reason, one I have long valued.
Do it. Then go away.
No, YOU go don’t belong on this comment board, or even in my country. You’re a democrat, not an American.
Link to the evidence of the stolen election.
Would that be from Facebook or Twitter? You know, the two organizations that the FBI freely admits they “discuss the spreading of misinformation” with?
Those are the only two places evidence of a stolen election could possibly be shared?
Oh you didn't get the news that *REAL* *PRESENT* voters gave Trump the win by a landslide???
Or were you looking for evidence that paper in the mail validated elections? Humorously; It was the consistency between In-Person voting and Mail-in voting that 'validated' paper in the mail voting.
So there is your evidence of a stolen election. The very-source of validity in paper-mail votes was wildly violated. Do you deny that occurred?
I can't even understand what you're trying to say.
See Gaear Grimsrud’s comment at 6:17pm
Great article... Leftard propaganda has indoctrinated too much of society into believing the USA is a "democracy" instead of being defined by a U.S. Constitution.
It's sad humans tend to get caught up in POWER over and over and over again throughout history only after terrible consequences manifest themselves do they start to come to grips with the FACT that 'government' is a MONOPOLY of GUN-FORCE ONLY... Then that learned lesson seems to fade through time till it repeats again.
What would 'government' look like without GUNS??? A business, church, organization (one wouldn't even recognize it as a 'government').....
So why do people need a MONOPOLY of GUNS (i.e. Gov-Guns)? What is the 'right' usage of such curs-id power? What human resources does a GUN/Bullet provide humanity with anyways???
Do GUNS make food? Do GUNS make wealth? (Criminally can be taken from others).. Do GUNS make UR utopian dreamland and if so; at what cost? (Slavery).
Perhaps; The only --RIGHT-- human resource from a GUN is to protect one from other's who want to use GUNS against them. Perhaps the ONLY proper usage is to ensure Individual Liberty and Justice for all???
What would you call an organization who runs around with GUNS STEALING from people for "climate change", "the ?poor?", and thousands upon thousands of other Nazi(National Socialist)-Regime purposes??? What makes that organization any better than an out-of-control City-Gang? You get to vote on who their Gang-Leader is?
In a civilized society GUN usage should be a LAST resort to curb other GUN Criminals that want to STEAL and DICTATE by threats. Problem with the USA today and it's (ILLEGAL "democracy" rules) ideology is we're all just voting on a Gang-Leader who'll GUN down those 'icky' people. Instead of LIMITING the usage of GUNS (Gov-Guns) to their ONLY practical human resource.
I.e. The Gov-Guns are working for the 'gangland' criminals now instead of working for Individuals and maintaining Justice.
You are incapable of writing a coherent paragraph. You haven't ever done it. Not even once.
Stop trying to have ideas.
Fuck off cunt. You have no business here.
Yeah, spending 300 billion of the people's money (for student loan payoffs) without letting the people's representatives vote on it is pro-democracy. But being a populist demagogue who promises to give the majority of the people what they want is anti-democratic.
Democracy is the totalitarianism we all do together.
Summary; [WE] mobs RULE! ideology.
What a garbage take, Jacob.
Trump's behavior post-election was no different than the Dems after GWB beat Al Gore, or when Trump himself beat Clinton. Sure, he's a pathetically sore loser, but getting an army of lawyers, and trying to do backroom deals to change the results of elections has been the norm for 60 years now. Before we started putting the POTUS and VPOTUS on the same ticket, backroom deals in congress were how all presidential elections were truly decided. If you don't believe that, read up on how the first 5-6 elections after Washington left office played out.
Meanwhile, as we argue over this drivel, the "champion of democracy", Biden, continues the assault on the constitution and the rule of law much like his predecessors, GWB, and Obama. Deciding which laws he will and won't enforce, and empowering the unelected, unappointed, unaccountable bureaucracy to do as they wish with everything from vaping to education.
His justice department is putting people in prison for 5-10 years for crimes that people in Democrat run cities aren't even being arrested for anymore. They're finding the people they want to put in jail using the most comprehensive and intrusive spying apparatus in the western hemisphere. Hitler and Stalin would shed a single tear if they saw how easy it is for the FBI or NSA to find out anything they want about anybody they want.
Now the IRS will be coming after all the middle income people that filed the wrong form, or forgot to declare all their tips, thanks to Biden. Luckily, they'll be flush with all that tax(legal theft) money they no longer have to pay on their student loans.
At least with Trump, most of his unlawful declarations were aimed at reducing the power of government. We didn't have to worry about dodging F-15's and nukes when they come to kick in our doors over 13 cents of unpaid taxes, using the wrong pronouns, or not getting an experimental vaccine. If we have to settle for a monarch ruling by fiat instead of a president nowadays, give me the one that will just leave me the hell alone.
Trump’s behavior is different in degree. It is the entire focus of his every minute of existence. Also, he never conceded the election, as Hillary Clinton did.
Stop lying. None of the shit you say is ever true. You’re either making shit up entirely, or completely misrepresenting the situation. We all know it, and you’ve been called out on it SCORES of times.
Now fuck off.
AMEN!
This is the dumbest fucking headline I've ever seen.
If you don't like democracy for some things, fine. What are those things, and perhaps why, would you say, are those things better off in the hands of a tyrant?
You miss the point of every post in the commentary. The tyrant is Biden (and his handlers).
"What are those things" --- enumerated powers.
"why, would you say, are those things better off in the hands of a tyrant" --- because it's okay to be a 'tyrant' over one's OWN life/business.. It's just not okay to be a 'tyrant' over others.
Whoops; missed the boat on that one.
"don't like democracy for some things".......
"What are those things" --- everything NOT specifically listed in the enumerated powers of the U.S. Constitution (for the feds-democracy legislature) and everything FORBIDEN by the Bill of Rights (for the state-democracy legislature)...
10th Amendment ---
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
Tony has no knowledge of civics.
Or much of anything else. If a single one of his posts here has evidence of his 'knowledge' of anything, I seem to have missed it.
"This is the dumbest fucking headline I've ever seen."
Not nearly as 'dumb' as your posts, lefty shitbag.
Biden and a majority of the Democratic Party follow the Wilsonian (possibly the single most malevolent influence on the American theory of government) view that the republican limits on federal and especially executive power are a backwards hindrance to "progressive" governance. There is nothing new there.
It is rich to here Biden complain about authoritarianism and lack of respect for the Constitution so soon after announcing the abuse of executive authority that is the student loan forgiveness program and the previous year trying to impose vaccine mandates through a "creative" and frankly no kidding fascist interpretation of OSHA's regulatory authority.
view that the republican limits on federal (U.S. Constitution which defines the USA) and especially executive power are a backwards hindrance to "progressive" governance (National Socialism/Nazism).
Whether Democrats can admit reality to themselves or not; they are trying to conquer the USA (per its very definition) for a Nazi-Regime. They are treasonous enemies of the USA.
“Look, I know the last year — few years have been tough. But today, COVID no longer controls our lives.”
Says the asshole whose plan was to get OSHA to fire you from your job if you didn’t get your jabs.
"a willingness to accept the outcome of a free and fair election"
I'm willing to accept that the 2020 Presidential election was as free and fair as any other - perhaps fairer than some (eg., 1960).
But Trump and the ultra-MAGA people didn't think the elections were free and fair. You can say they were wrong and that their wrongness was obvious to good people everywhere, but they weren't conceding the freeness and fairness of the election.
And, to be clear, the Electoral Count Act contemplates a Congressional challenge to the certified votes. The people howling about changing the Electoral Count Act are at least conceding that as it currently exists, the law allows such a Congressional challenge.
Biden won that challenge in Congress amid great pressure.
Yet he still thinks we need more laws to change...the very procedure under which he won? And that the challengers should be purged from public life?
And don't forget the calls for a new Sedition Act by which anyone declared the victor in an election can have a sympathetic prosecutor lock up those who challenge the fairness of the election.
There are weirder beliefs than the view that Trump won in 2020. Biden holds many of these weirder beliefs.
Spot on Margrave!
Yeah, when the psycho neighbor kid tries to burn your house down, you're the asshole for getting stronger locks.
Every Republican who did his constitutional job instead of bow to pressure from Trump is being run from office and replaced by Trump loyalists. There are many and more safeguards that are necessary to prevent Republicans from destroying democracy in this country. I didn't ask for that, but there it is.
Every Republican who did his constitutional job instead of bow to pressure from Trump is being run from office and replaced by Trump loyalists
Due in no small part to your side funding their campaigns.
Tony, "prevent Republicans from destroying *fraudulent* democracy".
Course everyone knows that what you meant to say (if you were honest); since executive fiat was Obama's and Biden's favorite treasonous Nazi-growing tactic.
Taking for granite you're specifically speaking about the presidential election. Otherwise; you'd just be treasonous-Ly Nazi-Fanning for an UN-Constitutional Nazi-Regime taking over the USA per the USA's very definition (defined by a Constitution) and executive fiat Nazi-Law famously and wildly implemented by both Obama and Biden.
Trump is a confidence man and like many of his ilk he creates a cult like atmosphere in which there is no allowance for disagreement. There have been people like this in this country's history and we have always moved past them. I think that is the message that the President was sending to the American people. We need to move past Trump and the 2020. Again, President Biden is reframing the 2022 midterms from a referendum on him to a choice election. Pitting the current Republicans vs Democrats rather than how is the President doing.
Regarding the issue of individual freedom, I see it as much more complicated than Mr. Sullum. There are numerus individual freedoms that must be balanced, one against another to give the population as a whole a greater sense of freedom. A person can approach the problem saying only their own personal freedoms matter and the next person freedoms are secondary. Our founders did not want the tranny of a majority, but I don't think they would want there to be no discussion of the people concerns. The system of checks and balances was not designed to stop government, but instead to force compromise as they themselves did in forming the government.
I truly believe the "the people" on their own can sort out conflicting vectors of individual freedom better than a centralized gov body. And do not forget, state and local gov's are not nearly as restricted to help with this as the fed level gov.
And yes, the system of checks and balances was indeed designed to LIMIT and restrict the power of the fed gov. In order to change or grant additional gov power you need nearly 75% acceptance via the amendment process. To get the gov we have today there should have been not 27-28 amendments but surly 100's if not thousands of amendments by now.
"The system of checks and balances was not designed to stop government"
Well that's a blatant LIE!
And that LIE is exactly why leftard treasonous Nazi's like Biden and yourself see Trump as a 'cult' instead of a USA patriot; because he was the first Republican/Administration who posed a threat to your ever-growing and treasonous take over of the USA for a Nazi-Empire.
Ya; there have been people like this in this country's history.. We call them the founders of the USA.. And I won't argue "we have always moved past them" (and the U.S. Constitution which defines the USA) because that's what treasonous Nazi's have been doing since FDR threatened to stuff the Supreme Court if he couldn't start the very ROOTS of the Nazi-Empire building scheme to take-over the USA.
RE: "atmosphere in which there is no allowance for disagreement."
Where or when did he do that?
Did Trump ever come remotely close to the Dems silencing opposing voices through social media or through persecution through the MSM or through bold faced lies of the MSM?
Or attempting to politically and legally assassinate another president or Dem leader, particularly with constant threats of impeachments and abuse of the intelligence agencies, the FBI and DOJ?
Especially while being guilty of exactly the things they attempted to prosecute him for?
Are you kidding? Trump was impeached for withholding Congressionally-allocated aid from Ukraine until they would issue a statement casting aspersions on his re-election opponent.
lol.. But Trump didn't allow everyone to be slaves of Ukraine!!! /s
Is it possible to pick a worst subject for you Projection?
There's a lot of 'enslavement' of citizens Trump didn't support.
Funny how you find that so 'horrible'.
No allowance for disagreement, see Liz Cheney.
RE: "There are numerus individual freedoms that must be balanced, one against another to give the population as a whole a greater sense of freedom."
That is exactly what they did with our Constitution. They recognized that we have God-given inalienable rights that no other person can constitutionally trample in the least degree unless we have first attempted to destroy or damage another person's equal rights.
After inalienable rights, then comes other responsibilities and rights agreed upon by the majority in which we must compromise, but which cannot violate the Constitution without a 2/3 vote etc.
"President Joe Biden said some things that are indisputably true. He noted that democracy requires candidates to accept the results of "free and fair elections" and that refusing to do so threatens the rule of law as well as the peaceful transfer of power.
Donald Trump and his followers have conspicuously failed that basic test."
All falsehoods begin with at least one false premise. Here, the first premise that candidates need to accept "free and fair elections" depends on the assumption that elections are "free and fair" which the past election clearly was not, and if the election was neither free nor fair, then one should both be permitted to declare that fact, and to cast doubt on the integrity of the process.
Clearly? Can you point to some evidence?
As Gaear Grimsrud mentioned:
"When the polls closed on election night Trump had a very comfortable lead. In the swing states, and only the swing states, ballot counting ceased simultaneously in the early morning hours. The following day Biden was leading in every one of those states thanks purportedly to mail in ballots."
Then add to that:
1. BALLOTT STUFFING EVIDENCE (2000 Mules) which by itself could have changed the election
2. GA STATE FARM ARENA BLATANT FRAUD, which by itself could have changed that state's election
3. ZUCKERMAN'S BLATANTLY ILLEGAL ELECTION ENGINEERING, which by itself could have changed the election.
I can’t stop laughing. Everyone predicted the mail-in votes would skew Democratic. It was widely discussed before the election.
2000 mules was conjecture.
Georgia was debunked.
RE: 2000 mules was conjecture
Geocaching is scientific evidence; video of people stuffing ballots in boxes is direct evidence; ballots harvested from incoherent dementia patients is direct evidence - etc etc etc.
Obviously you did not see the video which speak volumns in itself.
RE: Georgia was debunked
That is what the left has been saying ever since, but even when the paltry evidence suggesting that falsehood is presented, which is very rare, it does not, in any way stand against the substantial evidence supporting the allegation that it was fraud. The video being the most obvious evidence to an acceptable explanation still awaits, and the news video of an elections official stating 30 minutes earlier that the operation was shutting down for the evening indicate rather decisively that either all should have gone home (in error), or all should have remained. Not just Dems and counting votes that had been hidden under tables since that morning.
201207 GA NO, THE VOTE-COUNTING VIDEO WAS NOT ‘DEBUNKED.’ Not Even Close - federalist
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/
FACT: SUBSTANTIAL FRAUD OCCURRED AT THE GEORGIA STATE FARM ARENA
The only question is how much.
Polls show that Biden won the GA presidential vote 2,473,633 (49.5%) to Trump’s 2,461,854 (49.3%), a difference of 11,779.
Those processing votes after everyone left are estimated to have processed between 14-18,000 votes – OR MORE. This means that just this one instance of fraud could possibly have changed the election.
It was widely discussed that mail-in votes would skew Democratic before the election BASED ON FRAUD!
And by Zuckerman do you mean Zuckerberg? Who is Zuckerman?
RE: Zuckerberg
Heyyyyy. Evidence you can think for yourself.
Check out the court cases before and during the 2020 election and get an idea of the extent Democrats went to in order to rig an election. Check out how many Governors, judges and election officials changed or made election laws which only state legislatures are constitutionally empowered to do and then only according to the state constitution.
Anyone that paid attention during the election knows it was not a honest and fair election. Or they believe the end justifies the means.
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_interest/election_law/litigation/
Like the edicts issued by the Governor of Texas? Didn’t hear any Republicans concerned about those?
AND THEN YOU ADD OTHER SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE:
4. CORRUPTION OF PROCESSES VOTING: The intentional degrading and corrupting of the voting process by Dems by filing over 600 lawsuits in the year before the primary to increase not only mail-in voting, but also Vote Harvesting and no ID Voting and challenge countless other secure voting processes.
5. OBSTRUCTING REPUBLICANS: Denying Republicans the ability to observe and certify ballot completion, as required by law (fraud) and denying Republicans the opportunity to watch mail-in ballots being trucked and unloaded at large tabulation facilities. Why would you do that for any reason except fraud?
6. 36 YEARS OF BELLWETHER COUNTIES ACCURACY NEARLY WIPED OUT BY 2020 ELECTION - From 1980 through 2016, 19 of the nation’s more than 3,000 counties voted for the eventual president in every election. In a very dramatic first time ever, only 1 of them was right. Washington state’s Clallam County, voted for Joe Biden. JUST A WEIRD COINCIDENCE RIGHT?
7. FRAUD SUSCEPTIBLE VOTER ROLLS: A study dated 10/16/19, 2 months before election, showed that 353 COUNTIES in 29 states had voter registration rates exceeding 100%. AK, CO, MN, MD, MI, NJ, RI and VT showed STATE-WIDE registration rates exceeding 100%. Many Democratic led states absolutely refused to clean up their rolls as required by law and had to be sued in court to be forced to do it, and many are still fighting it.
Let’s zoom in on your claim #6: guess things change. Like, what else is there to say on that.
RE: #6: guess things change.
That answer, in itself, indicates dramatic disingenuousness.
RE: "Let’s zoom in on your claim #6:"
That is it? That is all you can respond?
So essentially you know you are wrong, but as long as you get what you want it is okay to destroy our faith in our voting system and our government, and for the purpose of electing an incoherent, incompetent president who has had almost nothing but disasters since he became president.
AND MORE SIGNIFICANT EVIDENCE...
8. 81 MILLION VOTES: Trump got 5 million more votes in 2020 than Obama got in 2008 (69.5 million), which was then the most ever in history, and who was more popular than Biden by far, and still is to this day. Biden had previouisly gotten his butt kicked by everybody, including Hillary in 2016 who got 65 million votes. But somehow, Biden, a decidedly less popular candidate than both Obama and Trump, got 12 million more votes than Obama and 7 million more than Trump.
9. KAMALA HARRIS was the first significant candidate to drop out of the running (way back in Dec 2019) and clearly the weakest candidate. Yet somehow she was selected as Biden’s running mate, which means she added nothing to his campaign and likely detracted from it. So the 2 worst candidates for 2020, according to Democratic voters, somehow trounced not only Obama, but Trump too. Righhhhhhhhht!
10. SOCIAL MEDIA BLACKOUT: All social media and the MSM began blocking positive stories on Trump and negative stories on Biden beginning in late 2019 and increasing to a near complete blackout in September and October 2020 including a complete made-up lie about Hunter’s laptop. The AG, FBI and other agencies blocked information on the investigation of Hunter Biden during the election which showed that Joe Biden lied about his knowledge and participation in Hunter’s activities. The truth about just this one issue by itself – according to polls - could easily have swayed the election for Trump by itself.
Wow, really grasping at straws here.
It is called circumstantial evidence.
They are also called red flags. Red flags are unusual occurrences or circumstances which immediately indicate that something is out of the norm and which prompts objective observers to investigate further to find out why it occurred.
But then, you already knew that of course. Being disingenuous is your MO.
11. NO BIDEN ENTHUSIASM:
You are already aware of how Biden’s crowds during his campaign stops – when he finally came out of the dungeon, barely matched his own entourage in number. Trump’s rallies were huge and enthusiastic.
Biden’s best campaign rallies in his most popular cities barely equalled, if it ever did, Trumps worst campaign rallies in cities that were against Trump.
-The left complained about old white men in government for the past 4 years and had the most diverse, liberal presidential candidates in election history.
-Biden was often stumbling and incoherent.
-Biden again resurrected numerous racist civil rights faux pas and lies during his campaign and even added a few new doozies.
-Biden continually promulgated a negative Covid message and promised to lockdown America again while Trump continually promulgated an exaggerated, but more accurate, positive message and constantly influenced state authorities to open up.
-The Dems gave tacit approval to innumerable riots with violence which added up to the worst in US history by far.
-The first attempted impeachment was a complete fiasco which showed that the Dems lied continuously about Trump for 2 years. Subsequent information leading up to the election showed, without reservation, that not only was there no Trump Russian collusion, but that there was in fact Democratic, Hillary and DNC collusion with Russians.
-Biden’s campaign was literally on life support before Clyburn and others revived it in order to prevent Sanders from becoming the nominee.
Biden won on not being Trump. Most people can’t stand Trump because he’s a grifting asshole.
Based on polling, it is very possible that "most people can't stand Trump", but polling has only indicated that probably a bare majority do not like him.
However, again based on polling, it does appear to be true that many who voted for Biden did so because they did not like Trump, not because they liked Biden.
On the other hand, many of those who, like me, who do not care for Trump personally, voted for him in 2020 did so because of what he DID and what he ACCOMPLISHED as president while under constant false persecution and prosecution by Dems clearly abusing their power .
Trumps 4 years of accomplishment was in very stark contrast with Biden's 50 years in office with very little accomplishment.
12. AND LASTLY, THE IMMEDIATE DECLARATION OF “THE MOST SECURE ELECTION IN HISTORY” was a 100% baseless, bald-faced lie.
“According to a Joint Statement by the federal government agency that oversees U.S. election security, the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity, & Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) on 11/12/20: “There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.’ The government & private sector councils that support this mission called the 2020 election ‘THE MOST SECURE IN AMERICAN HISTORY.’”
Suspicious? The statement was 1 day after the Epoch Times, which had been heavily investigating and reporting on election fraud issues, reached out to Dominion for a comment about allegations of fraud and various discrepancies. Dominion did not respond until the day after the above statement was made and then in which Dominion sent it to Epoch in an email.
PROBLEM 1: There was, and still is, zero “evidence” to back CISA’s statement up to this date. Worse, the statement was already effectively proven false by the time it was made. Not to mention the unbelievability factor when so many states had made so many changes reducing the integrity of the vote, it makes the statement almost wholly laughable.
PROBLEM 2: For some reason, and I just cannot imagine why, Dominion and CISA failed to mention that Dominion Voting Systems is a member of CISA’s Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council (EISCC), WHICH IS ONE OF TWO ENTITIES THAT AUTHORED THE STATEMENT put out by CISA. Just by coincidence of course, Smartmatic, another voting machine company with issues in the election, was also a member. In fact, both Dominion and Smartmatic were organizing members of the EISCC.
JUST A COINCIDENCE OF COURSE
Smartmatic had machines in LA county. Nowhere else. It is revealing of your lack of seriousness that you even bring them up.
Again, disingenuousness is clearly your MO.
So you ignore:
1. The main point (False quasi-govt statement on the election in which voting machine owners (ESP DOMINION) participated in making the statement.
2. The main subject (Dominion)
and you focus in on Smartmatic, which was merely a by-mention, in a very lame and obvious attempt to discredit number 1 and 2 and in which it appears you did so in order to avoid having to respond to inconvenient facts - strongly suggesting that you cannot.
Btw, based on what little I know about Smartmatic, I personally have never mentioned them as a factor in the elections.
However, and rather obviously, the statement by CISA is tainted by Dominion's AND Smartmatic's participation. (DUH!)
13. DOMINION ISSUES were numerous and have yet to be resolved in most instances because we were blocked from verifying that the machines functioned appropriately.
Hand recounts were done. You are really gullible.
That didn't match the machine count...
UR really ignorant.
If you believe simple vote counts were the only issue then apparently you are uninformed on the Dominion issue. Stick with Smartmatic issues as you seem to have half-a-clue on that.
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed the word "Democracy" appears nowhere in our Constitution, the Declaration of Independence or the Bill of Rights?
What do you suppose that gives Republicans permission to do to elections?
Claim them as fraudulent when they are...
Or back-on subject. Wipe-out treasonous Democratic Nazi-Law that violates the very definition of the USA (per the U.S. Constitution)...
For years you've been told this yet still to this day you act like you don't even know what a Constitution is.
1) Biden won't be around to seek a second term. I doubt he will make it through this one before he is totally burned out and gone completely off the rails. Who knows which drugs and how much they are forcing on him and worst of all the damage being inflicted on old Joe.
2) Most of the country has had enough of Biden anyway, except for the die hard liberals. After all they voted for and continue to support this utter wreck of a human being.
3) As far as Trump disregarding democracy, unless you consider the deep state democracy and corporate power freedom.
"Democracy are two wolves debating what to have for lunch. Liberty is the lamb contesting the vote with a loaded gun." Benj. Franklin.
" As democracy is perfected, the office of the president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On that bright and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will adorned by a downright moron." H.L. Mencken.
Show me a politician that you believe isn't acting in his own self interest and I'll show you a politician that has fooled you.
Biden is the other half of the Biden-Reagan bi-Klepto drug prohibition law of 1986 that crashed the stock market when it hit the fan in 87, then wrecked and literally looted every economy south of Brownsville to delay recession until the 1990s. Ask a Panamanian! Biden's handlers understand Gary's 4M pro-choice LP spoiler votes defeated Giant Douche in the popular and Turd Sandwich in the electoral college in 2016. If the Tea-LDC joins TX Grabbers-Of-Pussy and fields another anarchist, the Dems can bet on another women's vote Grand Slam.
Right after the 2016 election the left and DC establishment began to steal and destroy Trumps Presidency attacking him, his policies and all who supported them. They will never stop and it is destroying The Americas, EU and many other countries.
Democrat politicians are fighting against their existential threat: a political outsider who shows up and bests them at their own game. And they’re looking for voters who will take on their existential threats as their own. And there are plenty of people stupid enough to do that.
The President of the U.S. declares war on half the nation and all you can say is "But Trump"
Pathetic.
democracy requires candidates to accept the results of "free and fair elections" .. False. Just the opposite. Don't have to accept the OJ verdict or some kook who says the earth is flat (see Facebook group) or that the earth has been visited by UFO's either. And Biden's speech was probably plagiarized from a 1930's speech that was originally given in German and speaks for itself.
Federal Judge Notes in Special Master Order a Quoted DOJ Citation That Joe Biden Ordered FBI Access to Mar-a-Lago Documents
Page #2 and Page #3 of Judge Aileen Cannon’s ruling cites a quote from the DOJ own legal filing, dated May 10th, that Joe Biden ordered the National Archives and Records Administration to provide access to the FBI to review the Trump records. Note the quotation marks:
On May 10, 2022, NARA informed Plaintiff that it would proceed with “provid[ing] the FBI access to the records in question, as requested by the incumbent President, beginning as early as Thursday, May 12, 2022.” [citation]
Biden lied, he is going after his political opposition.
Biden lies, democracy dies.
The president is allowed to go after major threats to national security however he wants. The Republicans saw to that.
Then why was Trump impeached for it?
Sullum, you are an idiot, your screed was punishing nonsense. This current regime is an abomination as are all of it's sycophant supporters.