Executive overreach

Two Big New Ways the Biden Administration Plans To Overstep Its Pandemic Authority

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President Joe Biden has announced the next stage of his administration's COVID-19 pandemic response—and it's a doozy of dubious constitutionality and executive branch overreach. The biggest news is that Biden is ordering all private businesses with more than 100 employees to make their workers get the COVID-19 vaccine or submit to weekly testing.

Enforcement of this policy will be handled through the Department of Labor's Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA). "OSHA will issue an Emergency Temporary Standard (ETS) to implement this requirement," says the White House. "This requirement will impact over 80 million workers in private sector businesses."

The administration claims OSHA has the authority to do this because it's permitted to issue temporary regulations "necessary to protect employees" from dangerous "exposure to substances or agents determined to be toxic or physically harmful." But interpreting this to mean not just limited toxic exposures within a particular area or workplace but any virus or disease plaguing the country would drastically alter the scope of OSHA's alleged authority.

The fact that this order is coming not from Congress but from Biden and an administrative body is also…problematic, to put it mildly.

"This is legislative action that bypasses the legislative branch," commented former Rep. Justin Amash (L–Mich.) yesterday. "If you care about representative government—if you're consistent regardless of who's president—then it doesn't matter that you like the policy; this mandate is an abuse of power."

"I am a strong proponent of vaccines (get yours if you haven't!) but President Biden doing an end-run around the legislative process by ordering an administrative agency like @OSHA_DOL to mandate vaccinations for employees of private business is outrageous overreach," tweeted Rep. Peter Meijer (R–Mich.).

"Biden is presiding over a vast expansion of federal authority, one that Democrats will certainly come to regret the next time a Republican takes power," suggested Reason's Robby Soave in a New York Times op-ed today. "Moreover, the mechanism of enforcement — a presidential decree smuggled into law by the Department of Labor and its Occupational Safety and Health Administration — is fundamentally undemocratic. Congress is supposed to make new laws, not an unaccountable bureaucratic agency."

How OSHA—and employers—will actually enforce this mandate remains a big question mark.

Another big unknown: Will workers really walk away rather than get the vaccine? In polls, at least, many unvaccinated workers say they would quit their jobs before getting vaccinated:

In addition to mandating that workers at businesses of a certain size be vaccinated or regularly tested, Biden's new order says health care businesses—regardless of size—must see that all staff, volunteers, and contractors are vaccinated if these businesses take Medicare or Medicaid patients. The requirement includes volunteers and staff "who are not involved in direct patient, resident, or client care" and will "apply to approximately 50,000 providers and cover a majority of health care workers across the country," the White House says.

The other big overreach in yesterday's order involves the Defense Production Act and COVID-19 tests.

"The reason that Americans don't have access to cheap, fast COVID-19 self-tests right now is because the hypercautious regulators at the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have been ridiculously slow to approve such tests," as Reason's Ron Bailey noted yesterday.

Yet, rather than approve more COVID-19 tests—including those made (and proven to work) overseas—the federal government will invoke the Defense Production Act to force U.S. manufacturers to make more of the already-approved tests here.

The Biden administration will also strike a deal with major retailers (including Walmart, Kroger, and Amazon) to sell the tests at cost for three months. While this is ostensibly voluntary on the part of the businesses, it may not make much of a dent in our at-home testing scarcity.

"One huge immediate problem: COVID-19 self-tests are already increasingly hard to find in stores at current prices," notes Bailey. "Lowering the prices of already scarce tests will not make more magically appear."

"At-home rapid tests are expensive & hard to find in the US. So instead of just approving/importing the *dozens* of cheap tests now sitting at the FDA (& already approved in EU), the WH is gonna fix the problem w…industrial policy & a discount coupon," scoffs Cato Institute Senior Fellow Scott Lincicome.


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    3. Just say no to botcher Joe.

    4. If you break the rules, be prepared to pay.

      — President Biden (@POTUS) September 9, 2021

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      1. Thats the return to normalcy. Attacking citizens and not journalists.

      2. Wow, what a tough guy when he’s threatening the American people. Where was all this bluster when the Taliban was overrunning our embassy and threatening our citizens? Or does the regime see the Taliban as comrades with a common enemy?

        1. Or a model to emulate?

        2. Wow, what a tough guy when he’s threatening the American people.

          He might as well start quartering troops in our homes. He has shat all over the rest of the Bill of Rights.

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            1. What does “river to the sea” mean?

              Where have I libeled or lied about you?

              Why do you talk tough about murdering over half the voters in this country when you’re such a huge fucking pussy?

          2. You’d like that Chuck. More chances for you to lie and trick people into converting.

        3. “Where was all this bluster when the Taliban was overrunning our embassy and threatening our citizens? ”

          Biden is a stereotypical bully. He got his ass kicked at work so now is going home to beat of the fam.

    5. Hey now. Nobody could have predicted this. Unless they read his campaign website or listened to democrats last year. But who had time for that?

      1. My question is why didn’t ENB mention that POTUS Biden made an exception for 600,000+ postal workers. They are not required to vaccinate.

        Unions > Science in Sleepy Joe’s book.

        1. They’re a more sophisticated crowd.

        2. Biden retracted that last night after the outrage.

        3. Funny how contracts and the written word suddenly mean things when public sector unions get involved.

        4. why didn’t ENB mention that POTUS Biden made an exception for 600,000+ postal workers

          The people who touch and breathe on items delivered to every household in the nation are exempt? Of course they are. Science!

          1. Have you proselytized to your mailman?

        5. She considers them sex workers.

        6. Apparently, there was a misleading comment from some federal official. Apparently, they are NOT exempt. But hey, maybe they will all go on strike…. yeah, like that’s gonna happen.

          https://news.yahoo.com/postal-workers-exempt-vaccine-requirements-232126456.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall

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    10. President Biden
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      We are going to protect the vaccinated workers from unvaccinated coworkers.

      Is Joe saying the vaccines don’t work then?

      1. Logic is not the FUBAR PRESIDENT’s strongest skill.

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  2. President Joe Biden has announced the next stage of his administration’s COVID-19 pandemic response…

    The liberation of the Sudetenland?

    1. What is the Rhineland, chopped liver?

      1. Goodbye Slovakia and Czech Republic, hello Czechoslovakia!

      2. Rinoland has already been subdued.

    2. Amtrak will need those infrastructure funds for the expected increase in passenger service.

      1. Required masks mandates, vaccines and boosters, proof of voting Democrat, and mandatory abortions before every choo choo ride will likely decrease future passengers.

        1. These will be one-way tickets.

          1. Only one suitcase of possessions?

            Stars of unvaccination handed out at the choo choo stations?

            1. In democratopia there are no personal possessions. Not even your own body.

              1. there is actually a heart medicine commercial running saying your heart is not yours alone, of course they are referring to the people who will miss you if you die of a heart attack but it is the start of its not your body just like vaccine mandates

                1. Hearts are a somewhat fraught term to describe a melange of electrical impulses according to Libertarian Party Surgeon General ENB. Really, without elected officials and membership cards, how can we be sure what is and isn’t a heart? It’s really just more of an idea.

                2. You yourself just explained what the commercial meant (“of course they are referring to the people who will miss you if you die”). Some commercial is not the start of “it’s not your body”.

                  1. You suck at life.

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    4. No he’s jumping right in to Operation Barbarossa

  3. el presidente Biden only controls his commie banana republic.

    The United States of America had its last and best President with Donald Trump.

    Civil War 2.0 that Democrats started is upon us.

      1. Commie media but you knew that unreason.

        1. Forbes is communist?

          You nut-jobs never disappoint.

          1. Its okay Commie. 99.999% of stuff you cite is Commie propaganda.

            1. Hey now. 4% is child porn.

              1. Corrected for that fact. 99.6000% is Commie propaganda.

                  1. fail

                  2. Some of it is commie child porn.

                    1. Karl stretch Marx

          2. OK, so Forbes is crony-fascist. Does is really matter?

          3. Forbes and The Economist are woke as fuck.

          4. “Gorbachev ranks 7th of 8 Chairmen In Survey Of Historians As Kruschev Cracks Top 3”

            I’m sure that quite a few reporters along the way at Труд considered themselves to be strict market economists too.

          5. Don’t you read your own link stupid? It’s historians not Forbes. Plus they put Obama in the top 10. Historians must swoon over his pants crease.

      2. Publicly funded pontificators don’t like mean tweets? Dog bites man story. At least you aren’t posting child porn. Your counseling and medication working?

      3. I guess Trump bombed too few countries and didn’t use the Espionage Act enough to crack the top 10.

        1. The Middle East peace accord he championed guaranteed him a low rank with the leather elbow patch tweed jacket crowd.

        2. And overthrow a government without getting authorization from Congress.

        3. He only *tried* to ban Chinese from immigrating and forced the sale of Tiktok. It would seem that you have to actualy intern a hundred thousand or so Asians and shut down several hundred domestic newspapers by force to crack the top 3.

      4. Oh well, if a survey of virtue-signaling predominantly left-wing academics says it, I guess it must be true.

      5. A bunch of New Left and commie Gen-X history professors didn’t like Trump.

        This is news, how?

      6. Evil retarded socialists like an evil retarded socialist president, that’s news

      7. What else did you expect? History is a LIBERAL Arts Degree.

      8. “Obama moved up 2 spots to number 10, edging out Lyndon Johnson, remembered for his role in shepherding civil rights legislation and expanding entitlement programs.”

        LMAO. We know what his role was there.

        “I’ll have those n**gers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” ~Lyndon Johnson

        1. LBJ also had a fantastic foreign policy. Surprised he isn’t top 5.

      9. Woodrow Wilson is still ranked 13th. That’s all I needed to see to know this survey is garbage.
        -FJB (fuck joe biden)

    1. Traitor

  4. This is legislative action that bypasses the legislative branch…

    The pen and the phone and the jab.

    1. The fact that ENB thinks it is a legislative issue and not a constitutional one is disturbing.

      1. As I noted last night, Soave has gone on the record saying that deSantis is to be criticized for prohibiting mandates for state employees, and in a different article, sees Biden’s mandates for federal employees as OK. So it is clear that he, and likely ENB would prefer to see people “heavily encouraged” to vaccinate. Whether they would stop short of a mandate, is really just haggling price at this point.

        Ultimately, as soon as you accept the deeply creepy as fuck premise that people have some sort of responsibility to perform medical procedures on themselves for the protection of others, all these other deeply creepy as fuck actions are just a natural progression on that slippery slope. Talking shit behind peoples backs becomes public shaming; shaming becomes political threats; threats become private action and eventually mandates.

        This is all a result of Reason Writers letting their feels and fears override the principles of the NAP.

        1. This slow step towards liberty reduction in the name safety began years ago, but the libertarians and even the ACLU once fought against it. In 2008 ACLU released a report against mandates, now they fully embrace it.

          We have seen an increase in the embracing of soft fascism of government control through corporate guidance. The first big step was Operation Chokepoint with the bankers pushing morality. And this continues with the support of SV colluding with large market share to disrupt opposing voices. This is happening with the CDC threatening the cruise industry with liability. Etc.

          People need to push back hard against the corporations working in conjunction with government to enforce these mandates through fascism.

          It is going to get worse. Democrats love China social credit systems.

        2. Ultimately, as soon as you accept the deeply creepy as fuck premise that people have some sort of responsibility to perform medical procedures on themselves for the protection of others, all these other deeply creepy as fuck actions are just a natural progression on that slippery slope.

          It’s funny that the only administrations in the last 20-plus years to mandate that everyone purchase of a specific product from a private party have been Democrats.

        3. Reason staff is fully on board with a final solution to the unvaccinated problem.

          1. You would know about final solutions.

        4. “This is all a result of Reason Writers letting their feels and fears override the principles of the NAP.”
          I think you are being too kind. It’s becoming increasingly clear that our friend OBL is not kidding when he tells us that Reason writers exist only to do the bidding of their financial benefactor. Libertarians disagree on a lot of issues in the real world. But all Reason writers march in lockstep whatever the issue. There is no diversity of opinion. All are willing to accept censorship by private actors even when government explicitly demands it. All consistently claim that the abolition of QI would solve the problem of police abuse instead of admitting it would be a pretty small step. All ignore or mock the use of alternative Covid treatments like Ivermectine. All tell us that the “vaccines” are safe and effective while ignoring natural immunity, the huge spike in adverse reactions, and the simple fact that they do not provide immunity to anything. All screech about Covid testing without acknowledging that cases and infections aren’t relevant, only serious illness and death are. All ignore the fact the, even if we can believe the statistics, Covid is no more dangerous to the vast majority of people than any other flu virus. All support completely open boarders whatever the consequence. None are concerned with the murder of an unarmed woman by a federal cop or the blatantly unconstitutional treatment of trespassers in DC happening right now. All were anti Trump and pro Biden. I could go on but suffice to say, pick any issue and you will find no debate amongst Reason writers. And on most of these Reason mirrors the latest leftist twitter feed or DNC talking point.

          1. Why are you spending your time here?

            1. Why can’t I live an single sided intellectual bubble asked Mike.

            2. Why are you?

            3. Why are you such a garbage person?

      2. DEMOCRACY!!!

      3. No, I’m pretty sure that’s how it’ll be litigated. The constitutionality of legislation similar to the Occupational Health and Safety Act has been pretty thoroughly litigated, but the question is whether that act authorizes an order such as this.

  5. How is Biden going to mandate vaccination for everybody in the world?

    1. The New World Order is on it!

        1. Kevin Nash for President Dictator!

          1. damnit.

          2. Watch after the mid-terms when Biden falls to the “Fingerpoke of Doom” and Kamala takes over like she was originally inteded to do.

            1. biden is expendable. Willie Brown’s whore stepping in will be irrelevant.

          3. Nah, he’s a leftist bitch too.
            Give me the artist formerly known as Razor Ramon

            1. Incidentally, former pro wrestler Glen Jacobs, aka Kane, is the libertarian mayor of some town in Tennessee.

              1. How big is your shrine to Antonescu? Or are you a Iron Guard man?

    2. He doesn’t need to. His goal is to force medical procedures on American citizens. Foreign citizens that hop the border are free and clear and get a free plane ticket to a red state regardless of (medical) documentation.

  6. Larry Elder on track to win Governorship of Commiefornia.

    I wonder if the Commies at unreason will do a story on the Lefty wearing a monkey mask and throwing bananas at the first Elder (first Black American to be CA governor).

    1. They do not respect their Elder.

      1. See that chick throw bananas at Larry Elder?

        Notice Larry Elder or his security never touched the Lefties trying to provoke a response?

        Democrats are so funny.

        1. Funny like a nasty rash that might be gangrene.

    2. WHITE lefty, don’t forget. RACIST HATE CRIME!!!
      Also assaulted a security guard.
      Also not beaten to a pulp by said security guards.

      1. To be fair, between punches things were mostly peaceful.

    3. Larry Elder on track to win Governorship of Commiefornia.

      I’d wait until after they count all the ballots that turn up in mystery boxes found two weeks after the election before I’d declare a winner there.

      1. “It’s not who votes that counts, but who counts the votes!”

        Uncle Joe Stalin

      2. You never know when a plugging leak will shut down the counting.

          1. LOL they didn’t leave because of the burst pipe, they left because officials told them to leave.

            1. “I want to believe.”

          2. Maybe MSNBC and CNN shouldn’t have run with that story first.

  7. Fuck Justin Amash. He got the administration he wanted. He can fucking enjoy it.

    1. +1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

    2. “If you care about representative government—if you’re consistent regardless of who’s president—then it doesn’t matter that you like the policy; this mandate is an abuse of power.”

      Justin Amash, reduced to, quite literally, a voice crying in the wilderness.

    3. It’s one thing to say, “Fuck Biden.” Justin Amash didn’t do anything to cause this mandate.

      1. Die in a fire, faggot.

        1. Muted the asshat; really like that function. I don’t mind persons who disagree with me, that is the whole point to hash things out and hopefully use some actual reason in the process; but when they are only here to provoke, fuck ’em.

      2. Justin Amash didn’t do anything to cause this mandate

        What did Saul have to repent of? He just watched the cloaks of the guys who stoned Stephen to death.

        White Mike’s relationship to logic is like Ike Turner’s relationship to Tina. The whole world can see the abuse, but he keeps slapping the shit out her regardless.

        1. Of course a big govt social conservative like you hates Amash.

          1. You misspelled ‘actual libertarian’.

            1. No “big government social conservative” is correct. That’s what the majority of your church and its members are. Which you financially support.

              I’m not a libertarian, but I’m more libertarian than you.

              1. KAR, folks.

                Pure. Unadulterated. Troll.

                1. I’m a troll for calling you out on your bullshit?

                  If I’m a troll what does it make you when you post propaganda for your evil church?

      3. Did you say “Fuck Biden”?

  8. When does “my body, my choice” cut it? Abortion and vaccine debates often find the same people on opposing sides of the line.

    The flip-flopping during the Trump/Biden/COVID era has been spectacular to witness.

    1. one side is forcing people who are not sick to wear masks and get medical procedures in order to increase survival rates from 99.99% to 99.991%

      The other side is trying to stop the procedure of 1% survival rate on a human being with unique DNA once life is viable.

      Yeap. The same.

      1. One side wants to control bodies because of a tiny chance they might make people dead, but deflects control of bodies so others can eliminate what they admit are a tiny chance of being people.

    2. Sam’s type of people who want to legalize drugs, but ban smoking.

      1. Dunno this Sam fella but he needs to be slapped. Hard.

    3. Abortion and vaccine debates often find the same people on opposing sides of the line.

      But to be sure, only one group of those people consider themselves to be hypocrites.

    4. If we give a shit at all about bodily autonomy, conscription should be at the top of the list for removal. That is the ultimate violation of bodily autonomy. The state gets to use your body as cannon fodder so government officials can pad their resume to get to the next higher job. Just because it is dormant right now does not mean it always will be.

    5. From ENB: “But at the root of both issues is bodily autonomy”

      That is only if you are a lefty. In reality, both issues are an argument about what constitutes wrongful harm. Is it wrong to kill a person that, through your own actions, has been put in your care? Is it wrong to decline to protect others from a natural pathogen?

      This “Bodily Autonomy” bullshit is a canard. Any time the government forces me to perform an action my bodily autonomy is at stake. Make me work on a plantation? Bodily autonomy. Make me hand over my wages to the Man? Bodily autonomy.

    1. Will it remove C2O?

      1. It removed a bunch of $$$ from Icelanders.

    2. It runs on coal!

    3. I’m sure widespread use of such machines will have absolutely no negative impact on agricultural production, particularly in famine-prone third world countries of the global south.

    4. Now farmers have someone to sue when crops fail.

    5. The gas can be permanently stored in deep geological formations, or used to make fuels, chemicals, building materials and other products.

      (Emphasis added)

      Bait and switch on the Gaia crowd.

      1. The gas can be permanently stored in deep geological formations

        Cool. Then they can release it when global cooling threatens,

    6. Who needs trees anyway?

    7. As if we don’t have enough fucking robots, now they’re building robotic trees!

  9. The White House will withdraw the nomination of a gun-control advocate to lead the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives after David Chipman ran into bipartisan opposition in the Senate…

    Did he even try to drive any incendiary tanks through that opposition?

    1. Children being burned alive was a tank drive too far.

    1. Traitor

      1. Watcha gonna do about it, fed?

        1. I ain’t no snitch.

          The question is what’s LC1984 gonna do? He talks tough about treason, but he’s a senile ole coward who ain’t gonna do shit.

          1. What’s KAR gonna do to eradicate all mormons? Keep yelling at clouds?

            1. I’ve said that I’m not going to do anything. I have too much to live for, but they deserve to be eradicated.

              1. Don’t you feel like you need to stop them from conquering America?

                1. I can’t do that if I’m dead or in prison?

            2. Oh, he’s got a plan. Just you wait. He’s gonna drive them to suicide with crappy music.

              Haha.

              1. That’s rich coming from a Sex Pistols super fan.

                They’re ok.

    2. Mark Zuckerberg ‘used to come to the White House to kiss my ass’

      I would bet that Obama has said this off the record. More than once.

  10. End the coathanger loophole

    1. Ban assault coat hangers.

  11. If you break the rules, be prepared to pay.

    Joe Biden, ladies and gentlemen, in a nutshell.

    1. Nutshelltax.

    2. One suspects his “This is not about freedom” assertion may come back to haunt him.

      1. His chief of staff retweeted a tweet that admitted using OSHA was a work around to get an unconstitutional action. Intent can be brought into suits against the law.

        1. Plus there is precedence for this kind of action…ala Biden admitting he was passing an unconstitutional (already ruled on by SCOTUS) mandate just so the red tape would delay things enough to have the effect he wanted.

          Openly anti-constitutional president.

          1. But in the moderate empathetic sense.

            1. And oh so humble.

          2. That’s every President we’ve had since, at least, Obama.

            1. Mike dropping a both sides statement. *drink*

            2. So in other words you approve.

          3. “Openly anti-constitutional president.”

            Absolutely.

            Now, which of the pinhead writers here admitted voting for this colossal statist?

            1. I look forward to the special edition of Reason titled “Wow. Looks like we Really Fucked Up” subhead “But Trump was outside normal parameters so no real regrets”

              1. In what way did Reason fuck up?

                1. Fuck off worthless cunt.

    3. Joe Biden…hates Americans more than the Taliban.

      1. Does jamming needles into 80 million people qualify as an act of terror?

        1. Nope. Getting 80 million more people vaccinated is a desirable goal. It’s the means by which Biden wants to achieve the goal that is a problem.

          1. the problem is that covid isn’t going away, no matter how many people you force to get jabbed.

            1. OK, fine, we can’t get it to go away. We can make sure hospitals are not rationing care because they are flooded with unvaccinated COVID patients.

              1. They weren’t rationing care last winter when 0% of the population was vaxxed.

                The only way this winter can be worse is if the vaccines MAKE them worse.

                1. Yes, and then the delta variant arose by mutation among the unvaccinated. What is your point?

      2. Biden hates Americans more than he hates the Taliban?
        or
        Biden hates Americans more than the Taliban hates Americans?

  12. “Former Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang plans to launch a new political party.”

    He’s the universal basic income advocate, right? That idea sounds like something a 1980s Democrat would have proposed. You know, back when Democrats actually cared about the working class and poor.

    Apparently Yang isn’t comfortable with the modern Democratic Party, which openly advances the interests of billionaires.

    #InDefenseOfBillionaires

    1. Andrew Yang is barely a millionaire (if that) so it’s no surprise he doesn’t appreciate how hard the Democrats work to advance the interests of billionaires.

      1. Yang is that poor? I think Mr Koch and the billionaire boys club should lobby their friend in government and Reason to get Yang a UBI.

    2. It’s trickle up economics. Can’t tax the unwashed if they have no income. Don’t worry. Yang is on your side.

  13. Without arguing the merits of the action, I’m trying to decide if Biden is incompetent or being willfully stupid in calling for mandates that will do little more than further divide an already seriously broken civil society.

    1. I believe they are banking on catching a natural decline in delta infections from the peak, and will be crowing about how Glorious Leader Biden’s mandates brought an end to the Trumpian-spread pandemic.

      1. What about rising and rampant child obesity?

        1. Free government provided Lil Rascal scooters for the children.

    2. Perhaps he’s an N-dimensional chess master?

      1. el presidente Biden ate all the checkers, so he might as well move on to eating chess pieces too.

        1. Remember when the Commies at unreason all wanted el presidente Biden in charge?

          1. To be fair, Reason Is a for-profit business. So it was in their best financial interests to have an anti-freedom president. You think ENB could squawk about mean tweets for another four years?

    3. I’m wondering how he can legally justify the mandate while excusing the fucking POSTAL SERVICE from it?

      Lord knows they do not interact with the public…

      1. He retracted that exclusion late last night.

      2. The US Constitution prohibits Bills of Attainder.

        Definition: A legislative act that singles out an individual or group for punishment without a trial.

        Normally the Executive branch has no legislative ability that reaches average Americans until the SCOTUS allowed that to be okay.

    4. This is pure ‘Us vs. Them’ politics. Biden wants to create a clearly defined ‘enemy’ to blame his many failures on. It actually works best if as many people as possible refuse to get vaccinated.

      1. And that is the saddest option of all – actually working to further divide the country.

    5. Oh this is intentional and not stupid. Did ENB mention Afghanistan once in this article? Nope.

      Feature not bug.

      1. Yesterday’s news, down the memory hole. Only a true boor would even bring it up, amIright?

      2. Biden still gonna have his “Look what I did in Afghanistan” celebratory gala tomorrow?

          1. Yet they ran with the Pumpkin head Joe photo.

    6. if Biden is incompetent or being willfully stupid in calling for mandates that will do little more than further divide an already seriously broken civil society

      Are you fucking kidding me? This is straight out of the Marxist playbook. They will lockdown and force needles into anyone that refuses to comply until they get the full on actual insurrection that they were not given on 1/6. They need even their moderate supporters to demand a police state.

      They have the Presidency and the Congress and have been busily vilifying SCOTUS into irrelevancy. This is the setup for a full tear down.

  14. HPD: Would-be victim shoots armed robber in the face outside Houston gas station

    All gun control laws are unconstitutional and therefore void.

    The Founders knew that we needed Americans to protect themselves from government and criminals.

  15. Potentially good COVID news: it turns out that Ivermectin might actually be useful. Hopefully other trails bear this out. Go go gadget horse paste!

    Six of seven meta-analyses of IVM treatment RCTs reporting in 2021 found notable reductions in COVID-19 fatalities, with a mean 31% relative risk of mortality vs. controls. During mass IVM treatments in Peru, excess deaths fell by a mean of 74% over 30 days in its ten states with the most extensive treatments. Reductions in deaths correlated with the extent of IVM distributions in all 25 states with p < 0.002. Sharp reductions in morbidity using IVM were also observed in two animal models, of SARS-CoV-2 and a related betacoronavirus. The indicated biological mechanism of IVM, competitive binding with SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, is likely non-epitope specific, possibly yielding full efficacy against emerging viral mutant strains.

    We believe that the evidence to date supports the worldwide extension of IVM treatments for COVID-19, complementary to immunizations. The indicated biological mechanism of IVM, competitive binding with SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, is likely non-epitope specific, as reviewed [, possibly yielding full efficacy against emerging viral mutant strains.

    1. Fauci hardest hit.

      1. And JFree, Brandy, White Mike, etc.

        1. In a month, White Mike will claim he never called it a horse de-wormer.

    2. Note that the COVID AIDS pill that Pfizer’s developing will have the same protease inhibitors that Ivermectin possesses.

      Yes, Pfizer is basically making their own ivermectin, only this one won’t be off-patent and dirt cheap.

      1. I’d be very skeptical of that sort of information. Mainly because it just doesn’t fit with the reality of what ivermectin is.

        Ivermectin based products (eg. Stromectol, or SKlice) contain ivermectin and inactive excipients – binders and fillers for tablets and carrier vehicle for the lotion.

        There are no known protease inhibitors in those products and nobody has ever noted protease activity for ivermectin during previous drug product development and testing. If ivermectin itself has protease activity that alone would be big big news.

        So I would suggest revisiting your source and clarifying exactly what it is that is being alleged.

        None of which says that ivermectin does not have benefit for treating covid. On that front I’m agnostic, but will say that at normal human doses (300 mcg/kg or thereabouts) it is very safe and anyone who wants to try it certainly should consider it.

        1. I’d be very skeptical of that sort of information. Mainly because it just doesn’t fit with the reality of what ivermectin is.

          This was from Pfizer’s press release in March 23, 2021:

          In-vitro studies conducted to date show that the clinical candidate PF-07321332 is a potent protease inhibitor with potent anti-viral activity against SARS-CoV-2

          And from a study released about the same time:

          Exploring the binding efficacy of ivermectin against the key proteins of SARS-CoV-2 pathogenesis: an in silico approach

          Future Virol. 2021 Mar : 10.2217/fvl-2020-0342.
          Published online 2021 Mar 25. doi: 10.2217/fvl-2020-0342

          –Ivermectin was found as a blocker of viral replicase, protease and human TMPRSS2, which could be the biophysical basis behind its antiviral efficiency.

          It’s not what it is,/i>, it’s what it contains. The fact that Pfizer is attempting to produce a PreP-style prophylactic that contains the same protease inhibitors found in ivermectin is what should be raising eyebrows here. Keep in mind that Pfizer is the only vaccine that’s formally “approved” by the FDA, even though it’s shit against Delta. What better racket than to offer a daily prophylactic that won’t go off-patent for years, in between your quarterly mRNA booster that also is not off-patent? Surely, citizen, you don’t want this dirt-cheap medication that Top. Men. say doesn’t work, but our authorized daily inhibitor pill, right? And don’t forget your 50th booster shot in October!

    3. Nope. Ron Baily told me that, sadly, Ivermectin is just no damn good. It’s failed vaccines or nothing I’m afraid.

      1. Vaccines have not failed. They are doing remarkably well at keeping people from being hospitalized or dying from COVID-19.

        1. Other than the 16,000 people who have died from taking them, the 500,000 who have had adverse reactions, or the fact that the vaccines do not prevent spread or infection of any variant and their efficacy has therefore plummeted to all of 39%

          But hey, all of those people who have been SUPER DEAD if it wasn’t for the vaccine, right? Like that rock in your pocket that keeps away tigers.

          1. Anyone who cites the VAERS data without acknowledging that it is unverified is either uninformed or being willfully dishonest.

            1. Yes, it has been established that only 1% to 10% of all incidents have been reported to VAERS. So yes the information is not accurate , but not in a way that actually helps your argument.

  16. In 2018, a Canadian cryptocurrency entrepreneur named Gerald Cotton died of complications from Crohn’s disease while on his honeymoon in India. Or did he?

    You can never trust those crypto guys.

  17. How OSHA—and employers—will actually enforce this mandate remains a big question mark.

    Yep. Apparently OSHA does not have armed agents yet.

    1. “28 days since last negligent discharge” – OSHA headquarters

      1. YOU CANT HANDLE THIS NEGLIGENT DISCHARGE!

      2. Can someone explain what OSHA stands for?

          1. What about diversity training?

            1. Oh, that goes without saying.

        1. Office of Shit Heads and Authoritarians?

          1. Overzealous Society of Horses Asses

        2. OSHA has been eagerly awaiting an excuse to join the deep state.

      3. “28 days since last negligent discharge” was my nickname in college.

        1. So, no condom “mishaps”?

          1. None reported.

  18. The government is going to force companies to fire people they don’t want to fire if they don’t inject themselves with an experimental drug against their will.

    These people are violent assholes.

    1. War is hell buddy.

      I for one thank Democrats for pushing this far. For more and more Americans, being fired for this is the line too far.

      1. I’ve gotten to the point of actually welcoming gross overreach; it’s going to have to get worse before enough people are fed up enough to throw it off.

        1. It’s like suffering through a colonoscopy to identify a tumor. With the knowledge that Democrats are hunting your surgeon on their private island.

    2. I’m against the mandate, but it’s not an “experimental drug”.

      1. I’m not going to get just because I’m stronger and better than you.

        Let’s put this vaccine to the test and see if your old obese ass can survive.

      2. Many of them are still not FDA approved, and we have no long term studies on their effects.

        Whatever you want to call it, “fully known and understood beyond any further scientific study” is not correct.

        1. None of the available vaccines are FDA approved except for emergency use. The approved Pfizer is not available.

          1. You are misrepresenting how the process works, and one has to wonder why you are doing so.

            1. He didnt describe the process dumbass.

            2. Feel free to link to any pharmacy in this country distributing the FDA-approved drug Comirnaty. Because that’s not the one being distributed by Pfizer.

      3. I’m against the mandate

        Why? Do you have a rationale, or are just trying to maintain a shred of libertarian cred?

  19. Gimme an M!
    Gimme an I!
    Gimme a D!
    Gimme a T!
    Gimme an E!
    Stop me if you’ve heard it already….

    1. A lot can happen in a year.

      1. Historically, the president’s party losses in the House are in the mid-twenties during his first midterm. When the president’s agenda is particularly controversial, they fare much worse.

        I don’t think the question is whether the Democrats will lose the House but by how much, at this point, and whether the Democrats will lose more than three seats in the senate.

        The few presidents who escaped that kind of thing in their first midterm usually did so because of historically rare events that were beyond their control. George W. Bush did really well in 2002 because the country unified behind him in the wake of 9/11–before he invaded Iraq in 2003. Can you imagine an event that would cause the American people to unify behind Joe Biden at this point?

        I don’t think war with China would do it.

        Reinvading Afghanistan would probably make more independents oppose Biden rather than support him.

        A lot can happen in a year, but I think the question is whether his goose will be cooked well-done or medium-well. And I don’t think he becomes more popular from here.

        1. Yep. And he may very well, um, step down before then.

          1. What if Kamala Harris is still polling worse than Biden?

            Biden

            Favorable: 46%
            Unfavorable: 50%

            Harris

            Favorable: 41%
            Unfavorable: 50%

            Trump:

            Favorable: 41%
            Unfavorable: 52%

            https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

            Strictly by the polls, the Democrats would still do better with Biden at this point.

            Surely, they thought Harris would be popular. If she remain like this, we may see the last two years of Biden’s presidency look like Weekend at Bernie’s.

            1. Harris was virtue signaling to obtain votes from the woke, white crowd. And job security for Biden to protect against Congress removing him.

          2. And his replacement is significantly more disliked than he.

          3. or fall in the shower

        2. You forget that one thing that won’t change over the course of the next year is the panic over the Covid pandemic. Which means we’re going to need special “temporary” rules for the election including mail-in ballots with no ID checking, ballot harvesting, drop-off collection boxes with no chain-of-custody verification, etc. Of course, these measures aren’t being discussed at the moment because the Democrats are waiting until as late as possible to spring the lawsuits demanding these election measures (which compliant courts and Attorneys General will eagerly accede to) and the GOP is too goddamn stupid to realize this is what the Democrats have planned and will be sandbagged by these unexpected developments. This is why the Democrats aren’t too concerned about the mid-terms – they plan on cheating like a motherfucker just like the last time and they know full well the GOP isn’t going to do anything to stop them.

          1. That is the problem right there = This is why the Democrats aren’t too concerned about the mid-terms – they plan on cheating like a motherfucker just like the last time and they know full well the GOP isn’t going to do anything to stop them.

          2. 1) In 2020, the Republican gained nine seats in the House–in spite of things you’re talking about.

            2) The current Supreme Court supported the changes to Arizona’s voting laws, and they did the same thing to Georgia’s voting laws. Chances are that they’ll side with Texas and the other states too for the same reasons.

            1. Arizona didn’t even apply those laws last election. Harvesting was rampant. It is probably why Maricopa swung to biden despite voter trends saying the exact opposite in exit polling and voter registration numbers.

              1. Maricopa County voting was a mailstrom.

              2. I was there. Trump had Maricopa County by a landslide. Almost no Biden signs or bumper stickers. Plenty for Trump, plus MAGA hats everywhere and spontaneous street corner demonstrations, with Honk For Trump signs, and a majority of the cars passing by honking. Earlier this week, the canvas showed almost 200k questionable votes – about half people who claimed to have votes, but didn’t have their votes tallied, and half illegally voting, from vacant lots, from houses they hadn’t lived in for a decade, etc. We still have the results of the forensic audit to come. Dems are worried, which is why Garland’s DOJ has tried to prevent both the canvas and the audit.

              3. I wasn’t talking about the last election. I was talking about 2022.

                Republicans made gains in the House–despite the chicanery–even in California.

                Now tell me why the historical data showing that the Republicans should gain a median of 25 seats in the Midterm won’t happen in 2022.

            2. The supreme court has no reason to overturn the Texas law. The law itself is really just clarifying and ending loopholes that were exploited during Covid. I understand those that are opposed to some of the laws in general but acting like the recently passed Texas bill is a massive change from the past is so incredibly disingenuous. How are your rights being stripped away because you cant vote 24 hours when in the entire state of Texas in all past elections only one night in one count has there ever been 24 hour voting.

    2. Now that Pennsylvania’s illegal and unconstitutional changes to election law have been federalized and must be used by every state, I’m sure the Republicans will mount a huge midterm comeback and we definitely won’t see another election shot through with the most blatant and unrepentant fraud, electioneering and tens of millions of votes with no chain of custody or audit trail.

  20. Joe Biden is still against making companies check your immigration status before offering you a job, right? He just wants them to check your vaccination status?

    Oh, and Joe Biden is still against checking your ID before you can vote–because that’s xenophobic against immigrants and racist against African Americans–right?

    As of late July 2021, White adults accounted for the largest share (57%) of unvaccinated adults, Black and Hispanic people remain less likely than their White counterparts to have received a vaccine, leaving them at increased risk, particularly as the variant spreads.

    —-Kaiser Family Foundation

    https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/

    If it’s racist to check the IDs of voters before they vote, because that would disproportionately impact African-American voters, why isn’t it racist to check their vaccination status before they can be offered a job?

    1. You don’t understand the voter id thing.

      1. Well, why don’t you explain it to me?

        1. Sure. It’s really simple. Dems are not against identifying voters. They’re against making the presentation of an id at the time of voting the only way of checking identify.

          1. Georgia has multiple ways to prove your identity and that youre an American who is eligible to vote.

            What else you got.

            Remember, Democrats implemented the poll tax and many of the other methods to prevent Black Americans from voting.

          2. So, forearm tattoos?

            1. And, in the case of Georgia, we’re talking about IDs for mail-in ballots.

          3. If they’re against “making presentation of an ID at the time” a condition of voting, it’s because they say it disproportionately impacts African-Americans, right?

            The point is that if mandating vaccinations as a condition of employment also disproportionately impacts African-Americans, then it’s also racist by the same logic.

            I’m not saying you need to be willfully blind not to see that, but if you still can’t see that, it’s definitely a possible explanation.

            1. Ken, you need to consider what Sullum is working with. Not much. Little wonder reason and logic sailed right over his head.

          4. And I’m not against vaccine mandates at work. I’m just opposed to proving vaccination status to your employer as the only way of checking vaccinations.

            For example: pinky swear.

            1. I’m cool with allowing people to swear in an affidavit under penalty of law that they’ve been vaccinated.

              1. Me, too. It’s the requirement to work part that’s the tyranny.

                1. Vaccinations are already required. They’re just adding one more to the list. Y’all are freaking out over nothing.

                  1. No they aren’t.

                  2. You are full of shit. In 20 fucking years I have never worked for a company that asked me one goddamn thing about my medical history.

                    While I am sure that there are very specific cases where a job creates unique situations that require a vaccination, you know very well that if fortune 500 companies had started *requiring* flu vaccinations, the general populace would have found it deeply creepy as fuck.

                    This is deeply creepy as fuck, Straz, and you trying to gaslight everyone that it is no big deal or change is also deeply creepy as fuck. You, straz, are deeply creepy.

                  3. I wouldn’t say they are freaking out over nothing. Using OSHA as an instrument for a nationwide mandate is a Presidential/bureaucratic power grab.

                    It is ridiculous, though, the amount of vitriol, hypocrisy, and conspiratorial bullshit being spouted by the usual Trumpian partisans this morning. It’s like a Trump Fan Club group therapy session.

                    1. In a slight criticism of Biden, white Mike makes it about trump. Him and sarcasmic aren’t leftists though.

                    2. For the benefit of the thread, arguing with Mike is arguing with someone who will never take responsibility for what he says. In fact, within days he will be acting as if he never said these things in the first place. He is a completely disingenuous adversary and you would do better arguing with the main character from Memento.

                      https://reason.com/2021/09/09/california-is-set-to-outlaw-unannounced-condom-removal/#comment-9091773

                      That is Mike insisting that he “would never look to Rolling Stone” for news, after spreading their bogus ivermectin story only days earlier. Consider that: He didn’t apologize. He didn’t even try to ignore his mistake. He brazenly tried to dunk on Rolling Stone to make himself look like an arbiter of truth.

                      The pathological narcissism required to disrespect the truth and readers so heavily should make him ashamed. It won’t though, so I advise others in the thread to avoid engaging with someone that argues in such bad faith.

                    3. “…It’s like a Trump Fan Club group therapy session…”

                      Good reason to be one; he was the most libertarian POTUS we’ve had in the last hundred years.
                      No good reason to be TDS-addled lefty piles of shit like you, outside of your fucking imbecility.

                    4. You mad bro?

                2. They also drug test mfers left and right and y’all didn’t start a civil war over that. You practically can’t work down here without peeing for a Republican.

                  1. Not every company drug tests. It is not a federal mandate shit for brains.

                    1. Not every company drug tests. It is not a federal mandate shit for brains.

                      Um, the DoT would appreciate if you would submit to handling their bottled beverage brewed from fermented hops.

                      The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA), along with the Department of Transportation (DOT), requires that persons subject to the commercial driver’s license (CDL) requirements and their employers follow alcohol and drug testing rules. These rules include procedures for testing, frequency of tests, and substances tested for.

                      Who’s Impacted?

                      Anyone employing CDL drivers to operate commercial motor vehicles (CMVs) on public roads
                      CDL drivers who operate CMVs on public roads
                      Interstate motor carriers
                      Intrastate motor carriers
                      Federal, State, and local governments
                      Civic organizations (disabled veteran transport, boy/girl scouts, etc.)
                      Faith-based organizations

                    2. Thats a requirement to maintain a federal license chuck…

                    3. Thats a requirement to maintain a federal license chuck…

                      It’s a mandate for employers and that is not being pedantic. Employers must test pre-employment, randomly, and post-accident. And they typically throw everybody in the company in the pool so they can’t be accused of having a discriminatory policy.

                      The requirement for CDL drivers to maintain their license is a medical card and to submit to a test on the roadside from any cop with a suspicion or lose their license if they refuse.

                  2. Meanwhile the feds throw you in jail for drug crimes.

                    See the difference?

                  3. What’s the the “y’all” patois? You and the rest of the honky liberal bourgeoisie realize that you sound like hayseeds and not homespun authentic when you post that way, right?

                  4. “They also drug test mfers left and right and y’all didn’t start a civil war over that…”

                    Lord of Shit is entirely too stupid to understand the issue; reasoning with a handful of mud will stand a better chance.

              2. I’m cool with allowing people to swear in an affidavit under penalty of law that they’ve been vaccinated.

                Of course you are. They only risk losing a job if simply unvaccinated. If you get them to lie about it, you can punish them even more. You have clearly been exposed to Soviet methods of population control.

                I am halfway convinced Stroozle is an agent with the FBI. Should I threaten to toss him in a woodchipper to be sure?

          5. Oh. So thats why democrats were against voters writing their voter ID numbers on mail in ballots. Makes total sense.

      2. Oh, and you better explain it to Joe Biden, too:

        “This is Jim Crow in the 21st Century. It must end,” Biden said in the statement, noting how the restrictions disproportionately target Black voters, who proved crucial to recent Democratic victories in Georgia.

        Georgia’s new law imposes new voter identification requirements for absentee ballots, limits the use of ballot drop boxes, makes it a crime to approach voters in line to give them food and water and gives state officials more power over local elections.

        —-CNN

        https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/26/politics/joe-biden-georgia-voting-rights-bill/index.html

        1. That’s exactly the shit I’m talking about – the GOP hasn’t yet figured out that the legislature doesn’t decide the laws, the courts decide the laws and the Democrats are masters at lawfare. Come the midterms, the Democrats are simply going to file a shitload of lawsuits against these election laws being enforced and they’ll get the election laws they want. No ID checking, no signature matching, no restrictions on mail-in ballots, ballot harvesting, unmonitored and unlimited ballot drop boxes, all the opportunities for fraud one could imagine, the Democrats will get every single one of them.

          1. And y’all haven’t found one mfing case of fraudulent voting. If we’re cheating then prove it. You can’t cause it ain’t happening. You mfers are just trying to prevent people from voting because you think it’ll help elect Republicans.

            1. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5fe1f523c5b6ff74797d6e73

              I mean I can do this for a while. But you get it. You’re an ignorant fuck.

          2. Dude, you’re ignoring the facts to support your theory.

            The House Republicans won in 2020 despite the rules you’re talking about, and the Court keeps ruling in favor of laws like Arizona’s and Georgia’s.

            Here’s another fact, Republicans picked up seats in blue states like California in 2020.

            Here’s another fact: To the extent that 2020 was a result of ballot stuffing, so have plenty of other elections going back to before World War I. The historical trends I’m talking about happened in spite of the ballot stuffing in the past, too.

            In short, your opinions should reflect the facts, but on this issue, you seem to be ignoring facts because they don’t support your preferred theory. That isn’t the way the logic thingy works.

            1. You’re so desperate to cling to your faith in the system that you’re reduced to shrieking “fAcTs and lOgIc” without actually applying them, like a fucking leftist.
              “They didn’t fix every house race in their panicked 4am scramble to oust Trump, who vastly outperformed their expectations, so elections are totes fair and trustworthy!”

              1. “You’re so desperate to cling to your faith in the system”

                Faith in the system has nothing to do with it.

                Fact 1: The Republicans gained 14 seats in the 2020 election–including California–despite the chicanery.

                Fact 2: The Court upheld the election laws in Arizona and Georgia, and they’re likely to rule the same way in Texas and other states for the same reasons.

                Fact 3: Ballot stuffing is nothing new. To whatever extent the historical trends I’m referring to emerged over the course of the last century, they did so in spite of whatever ballot stuffing was happening.

                Fact 4: At least three moderate Democrats in the Senate (Manchin, Sinema, and Tester) and at least nine Democrats in the House (the nine that want to vote on the infrastructure deal but want to vote against the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill) are all acting is if they’re afraid of what will happen to them in future elections if they toe the Democrat party line. What do you know that they don’t know?

                Forget faith in the system. I have an appropriate amount of faith in conclusions that are rational and account for the facts, and I have no faith in conclusions that ignore the facts because they conflict with your favored theory. It isn’t even a question of trying to craft a theory that somehow accounts for those facts and still supports your favorite conclusion. That’s rationalizing rather than reasoning. If you want to persuade me, your theory needs to arise naturally from the facts without torturing the them to conform to your favorite theory.

                My conclusion is that the Republican gains in the House will probably be in the mid-twenties or greater come November of 2022 because that conclusion arises naturally and rationally from the facts. If you want to convince me I’m wrong, you don’t attack me for having faith in the system. You either challenge me on the facts, show me where the logic is wrong, or build a rational argument that contradicts mine from other facts.

                P.S. The outcome of the 2020 midterms will be what they are regardless of whether I have faith in the system.

      3. It shocks sullum that not everyone thinks blacks are incapable of most of life’s simple tasks. They should all be racist like him.

        1. Just for the record, I do not believe Strazele is Sullum.

          One is stubbornly wrong about anything Trump related.

          The other doesn’t even make a pretense of being right.

          If there are good reasons to think that Strazele is Sullum, they shouldn’t be based on something weird Strazele said.

          1. I dont either. But just a funny meme at this point. His poor use of English language made the implication of him being sullum.

          2. “One is stubbornly wrong about anything Trump related.”

            LOL, Ken has no self-realization that he just perfectly described himself.

            1. Is the citation for that comment from Rolling Stone?

            2. For the benefit of the thread, arguing with Mike is arguing with someone who will never take responsibility for what he says. In fact, within days he will be acting as if he never said these things in the first place. He is a completely disingenuous adversary and you would do better arguing with the main character from Memento.

              https://reason.com/2021/09/09/california-is-set-to-outlaw-unannounced-condom-removal/#comment-9091773

              That is Mike insisting that he “would never look to Rolling Stone” for news, after spreading their bogus ivermectin story only days earlier. Consider that: He didn’t apologize. He didn’t even try to ignore his mistake. He brazenly tried to dunk on Rolling Stone to make himself look like an arbiter of truth.

              The pathological narcissism required to disrespect the truth and readers so heavily should make him ashamed. It won’t though, so I advise others in the thread to avoid engaging with someone that argues in such bad faith.

              1. Doesn’t care whether she’s right or wrong.

                Isn’t here to learn anything or teach us anything.

                Doesn’t care whether rational or irrational.

                Doesn’t care about the facts.

                Why would anyone bother to read such a person’s comments?

                She’s hust here to disrupt. If you read her comments, the joke’s on you.

                1. LOL. You could really benefit by reading my comments on your comments, but do what you like.

                  1. There is no value in reading your comments Mike, because you argue in bad faith. You are caught red handed doing it in the post I linked above. Anyone in a conversation with you will get nothing out of it, because you will change your positions on a whim and act like it never happened. Even if you had any mild insight, all benefit is lost by your dissembling and lack of basic integrity.

                    Maybe when you go reinvent yourself under a different handle, you can take some of this to heart and stop being a a lying ass.

                    1. Even if you had any mild insight, all benefit is lost by your dissembling and lack of basic integrity.

                      Later that day…

                      Mike Laursen
                      September.10.2021 at 2:35 pm

                      [crickets]

                  2. Nobody could benefit from reading your comments.

                2. So you’re saying if we choose to read Dee’s comments we are throwing cawtion to the wind?

                  1. It’s a cawcawphony of caws.

                  2. You risk invoking White Mike’s cawstic wit.

            3. “LOL, Ken has no self-realization that he just perfectly described himself.”

              Mike simply lies and hopes that someone believes it.

              1. So her response amounts to, “I know you are but what am I?”.

                It’s so childish.

                1. LOL, that wasn’t my response at all. My response is that if you are truly interested in logical thought, sound reasoning, a well-governed American nation, and bettering the world, you would read my criticisms of your comments. But, you do you.

                  1. My response is that if you are truly interested in logical thought, sound reasoning, a well-governed American nation, and bettering the world, you would read my criticisms of your comments.

                    You once responded for an entire week with nothing but ‘traitor’, you disingenuous cunt.

                    An essay on the history of the cumstained flophouse mattress upon which you were conceived would be more valuable to public discourse than the accumulation of your fallacious responses.

                  2. My response is that if you are truly interested in logical thought, sound reasoning, a well-governed American nation, and bettering the world, you would read my criticisms of your comments.

                    Except your comments don’t display any of these.

    2. It’s not that it’s racist to be checking their vaccination status before offering them a job, it’s racist to be offering them a job.

    3. Because he has the magic (D) shield. It’s the same badge that allow you to dress up as a gorilla and throw eggs, and throw bananas at a black guy

    4. Black and Hispanic people remain less likely than their White counterparts to have received a vaccine, leaving them at increased risk
      It’s an epidemic of Blacks and Hispanics. Biden’s patience with these people is wearing thin.

      1. Remember when Blacks were exempted from mask mandates in Washington or someplace because racist cops would claim they were stick up artists and just execute them in the streets? But now it’s mandatory that they be fired if they don’t get a Tuskegee style jab. Go figure.

  21. Potentially good COVID news: the virus’s chassis is too small to carry armor and a big motor. Hooray!

    Covid-19 Virus Variants Mu and Lambda Unlikely to Supplant Delta
    Delta’s highly infectious nature positions it to outcompete new variants

    The scientists say new case waves would likely be driven by Delta and its sub-variants rather than a new virus lineage. That’s because Delta has evolved to be so transmissible that other variants can’t keep up with the pace of its spread.

    Dr. Bedford said that Delta, on its current trajectory, would achieve “fixation” as the ubiquitous strain of the virus within roughly a year of its emergence, an unusually rapid rise. With seasonal flu, by contrast, strains usually take two to five years to achieve fixation, he said.

    The Delta strain’s dominance is in some ways good news, because it doesn’t appear to cause more serious Covid-19 than earlier known variants, and authorized vaccines appear effective against it. “With Delta’s spread, we’re building up more and more immunity,” Dr. Bedford said.

    1. Chinese bio weapons researchers are taking notes, though.

    2. ….we’re building up more and more immunity.
      According to the “experts “ , this is misinformation, as only the miracle mandatory vaccine can save us.

  22. Just wait until the Commerce Department imposes the $15-an-hour minimum wage on the basis that it affects interstate commerce and the Department of Agriculture issues a stay on Texas’ abortion law on the basis that it affects the production of livestock.

  23. From Two-C’s article earlier today:

    “”I drafted a terrorism bill after the Oklahoma City bombing,” Biden told The New Republic in 2001. “And the bill John Ashcroft sent up was my bill.””

    If this doesn’t Red Pill you, then you are beyond redemption. You all fight about the Dem vs GOP bullshit, when it is absolutely painfully clear that there is no left or right, just government versus YOU. I may prioritize economic freedoms over social freedoms higher, leading me to agree with the right more often, but let there be no doubt that our parties are terrible representatives of anything but their own enrichment.

    I remember all the liberal handwringing during the passage of the Patriot Act- but they never admitted that it was THEIR act. Biden didn’t create his act to protect us from al Qaeda- he created it to protect Government Buildings from Domestic Threats. And what the fuck do you know, Obama then weaponized this act to surveil and prosecute US Citizens. And before thinking that is some unique stain on the Dems, remember that EVERY FUCKING GOP MEMBER voted for it, except Ron Paul.

    The GOP has thus solidified itself as “not as bad as the Dems”, and expects that to be the way they get votes. Then they bring us No Child Left Behind, and Medicare Part B, and they wrote the laws (in Romney’s state) that ultimately became Obamacare, and then passed the Patriot Act- a bill written by Biden. But hey, at least they aren’t passing the Green New Deal, right? (Just wait 5 more years).

    It is time to wake up, America. Team Red, Team Blue- they are just that: TEAMS. They are playing a heavily orchestrated and contrived game where the stakes are reserved to them and them only. Never forget that no matter who wins the Super Bowl, all that money goes to the NFL to be divvied out among the teams involved. You might cheer for one team, and idolize some of the players, but never forget that their ultimate goal is the preservation of the NFL, and your support is just a means to the goal. So to, Team Red and Blue aren’t their for YOU. They are there for the National Federal League- a closed club that has one goal- to appropriate your money and freedom.

    1. Do you have a point?

      1. What does “river to the sea mean?”

        When and how did I libel or lie about you?

        1. I’d tread lightly around Nardz if I was you. One of these days he’s going to snap and start killing people along with his buddies Sevo and loveconstitution1789. You don’t want to be in their path.

          1. I’m not worried. Nardz is thousands of miles from me and Sevo’s too senile to do anything.

          2. sarcasmic
            July.16.2021 at 3:11 pm
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            I was going to add something about people who might be splattered by the mess, but nobody cares about your alone ass. Shit. Nobody will know you’re missed until they shut the power off and things start to smell

          3. Also Nardz is a huge fucking pussy. He ain’t killing no one.

      2. The point is, if you are expecting Team Red (or Blue for that matter) to come save the American people, they won’t. The Reds are looking at the vaccine mandate (for example) as an awesome expansion of power that they would love to have. If this mandate sticks, the Reds will eventually use that power against the American people.

        1. Cite?

          I love the justification of future actions tod even current ones though. Good touch. I remember when Trump issued all of those mask mandates when the media and democrats were yelling at him to do so also.

          1. Check my previous post, Jesse.

            Team Red took Team Blue’s legislation and passed it for them. The Patriot Act was developed BY BIDEN as a reaction to American Citizens who bombed a government building in Oklahoma. By design it was meant to counter domestic terrorists. Team Red passed under the justification of protection from foreign threats, but that is not how it originated. And surprise surprise, Team Blue then used it against American Citizens. Despite Team Blue and Red getting on the air and demonizing the other, they were BOTH complicit in passing these bills.

            Team Blue passed health care legislation CREATED by Team Red. Obamacare was a scaled up version of Romneycare. Team Red passed a Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit that merely aped Team Blue’s Medicare.

            To the extent that he was a maverick outsider, Trump at least threatened to upset their game. That is why the entire government united to destroy him. But even for all this, Trump became a player in the same game. His Tariffs are now Biden’s Tariffs that will forever syphon money from poorer americans to corporations at home (regardless of whatever strategic pretense they were originally passed under). Trump’s eviction moratorium is now Biden’s.

            I’m sure the Lakers would love to beat the Spurs this year, because that will mean bonuses and such for the Lakers. But neither team is out to break the league. Even if you are a poor Ref, you know that giving leeway to the superstars keeps your paycheck coming. Even if you are losing this year, as a player or coach or HR rep, you know that as long as the system keeps churning along, you’ll get a bite at the apple next year, and if not even the participation trophy will not be so bad.

            As I noted above, I may sympathize with the politics of the Right more than the Left, but if you are counting on Team Red to defend the politics of the right when that conflicts with getting their bread buttered, you still need to take that red pill.

            1. Facts are to be judged strictly by the politics of the messenger. You obviously don’t worship Trump, which means you have incorrect politics. That means your facts are wrong.

              1. Hey dumbass. We were talking two different points. Find a way to blame the gop for bidens mandate though.

                1. Find a way to blame the gop for bidens mandate though.

                  “If it wasn’t for Trump and Republicans spreading misinformation, the mandate wouldn’t be necessary.”

                  Come on, don’t lob softballs at him. Give him a shotgun to the fucking forehead.

            2. I’m not arguing the latriot act wasn’t blue legislation. The gop is far to soft and malleable to both the media and to the education racket. They often end up doing what the left wants, see the passing of the 1.3 trillion dollar infrastructure bill.

              What my point is referring to is that he is implying openly authoritarian actions now are fine because the GOP at some point in the future may do them as well. It is comparing a fact to a theory. It is idiotic. That is my problem with his post.

              I’ve called out the right a ton, such as even Paul Ryan went from someone who seemingly cared about the budget to rolling over and showing Reid his belly. He was an ineffectual coward and still maintains a sanctimonious air about him. He was a coward.

              But at the same time this false equivocation of “both sides are the same” is ignoring reality. Od the ultimate end state is to cower and bow before an authoritarian state, id rather 100 years to get there than 5 years. I’d prefer never to get there, but I’m not dumb enough to claim 5 years of freedom is equivalent to 100 years. Idiots like sarcasmic and white Mike pull that shit to justify their inability to criticize the left. I won’t.

              1. “What my point is referring to is that he is implying openly authoritarian actions now are fine because the GOP at some point in the future may do them as well.”

                This is not what I was saying at all. That is massive misinterpretation. I am saying that neither Team Red nor Blue are truly looking to defend our rights. I am 100% saying that this is naked authoritarianism and completely evil, but if you are looking to Team Red to lead us out of tyranny, that is not where they are taking us. I really wish that Team Red wanted to lead us out of tyranny because, in general, I agree that Team Blue is much more openly hostile to liberty.

                1. At least team red gives it occasional lip service and occasionally does the right things. Tax cuts, deregulation, federalism as a practice. The left openly goes against each one of those things.

              2. I don’t think he’s saying that they’re OK. He’s saying that the GOP would happily use the same laws to do what they want since the GOP, overall, no more cares about you than anybody else does (do you think Paul Ryan gave the first iota of a shit about what anybody who worked an actual job dealt with?)

                Not reading it as a defense of Biden but more of a “WE (the people) need to stop this because the Republicans engage in failure theater all of the time because they are not that opposed to this nonsense either”

                I have no faith in the GOP doing much of anything without somebody at top MAKING them do it.

            3. I agree but I’m not sure what team Red looks like anymore. Once it became clear that Trump was wildly popular with the base the country club Republicans publicly supported him while privately sabotaging him. Trump was popular not because he was a Republican but because he was a disrupter. I voted for a Republican presidential candidate for the first time in my life at age 64 in 2020. I would have voted for him if he were a Democrat or independent because he upended the status quo. Team red couldn’t wait to get rid of Trump and get back to business as usual. But they didn’t get rid of Trump voters that includes a whole lot of independents like me who don’t give a shit about their team. They know that if they don’t start acting like Trump they’re done. I’m not a Republican and I’ve never been a Republican but at this point if we don’t get divided government in 2022 we’ll end up like Australia. So in the short term at least it’s easy to see the lesser of evils.

        2. Yep. All either team cares about is consolidating and expanding power. Anyone who believes otherwise is a useful idiot.

          1. When will they take the power to burn peoples steaks for ordering it wrong?

    2. How dare you say mean things about Republicans! They’re the only thing that will save us from the evil known as Democrats! True libertarians vote a Republican party ticket! Only someone who voted for Biden would dare to say mean things about Republicans!

      You voted for Biden! You wanted this!

      DON’T EVER SAY MEAN THINGS ABOUT REPUBLICANS!!!! YOU’LL MAKE KEN CRY!!!!

      1. sarcasmic
        August.23.2021 at 1:21 pm
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        Except that I’m not supporting or ignoring the other. People like you just glaze over posts where I’m critical of Dems because it doesn’t fit your cognitive biases.

      2. Never mind that Democrats and Republicans pretty much pull the same shit. Sometimes literally the same, as in the CDC eviction ban, trillions in irresponsible spending, warmongering, the Drug War, domestic surveillance, and on and on.

        1. Two sides of the same coin. Not that you could ever convince anyone on these comments of that. Republicans good! Democrats evil! If you don’t support Republicans then you support Democrats! GO TEAM RED! RAH RAH RAH!

          1. But you do support the Democrats, you withered old drunk.

            1. Yet even after poring through fucking years of archives, you’ve still been unable to find a single comment of mine that supports your claim. All you’ve done is posted proof of someone impersonating me, which you then deny.

              You’re pathological.

              1. You’re doing it in this very thread, you drunken failure.

                1. And in case I forgot, thanks again for posting that link. I’ve been too lazy to find examples of someone impersonating me, and went and you did it for me.

                  So many thanks. I know it wasn’t what you intended, but I’m grateful anyway.

                  1. Oops, time to change the subject again, huh, sarc.

              2. Can you find one time you’ve criticized them this year?

          2. They aren’t even “Republicans good!”. They are “Trump Party good!” They regularly shit all over traditional Republicans, calling anyone who isn’t falling in line behind Trump a RINO.

        2. Notice how the girls have started posting quotes of mine as if they mean something? It’s really cute. I invited them to show just one single quote to support their lies about me supporting the left, and they still haven’t been able to do it.

          https://reason.com/2021/09/08/trolls-will-be-trolls-online-and-offline-reports-new-study/#comment-9090129

          Mother’s Lament went back years to try to prove his lies, and all he found was proof of someone impersonating me which he then denies!

          These guys are utterly hopeless.

          1. Mother’s Lament went back years

            “Years” is a funny way to say “last November”, you retarded drunk.

            Anyway, the fact of the matter is, that you regret a drunkposting error you made and are trying to run damage control by lying and saying it was someone else spoofing you.

            Time to man-up and take responsibility for your drunken trolling, sarcasmic. Nobody believes your story that it was someone else pretending to be you.

            1. Any honest person who highlights the name ” sarcasmic” will see it’s not me. That of course rules out you and your girlfriends. But any honest person will see the truth.

              By the way, have you found a single comment of mine proving your lie that I support the left?

              Of course not. Such comments don’t exist.

              But keep up with the lies. No day at Reason is complete without you and your girlfriends making stuff up about people.

              1. Your hair-space story only works if the nick is already yours. I experimented with Jesse’s, Nardz and Sevo’s and it never worked once, though it did work for Mother’s Lament.

                Ergo, you’re lying and are trying to use an artifact of you switching nicks to disguise your fuck-up.

                1. Dude, Tulpa bragged about impersonating myself and others. Remember?

                  So even with a fucking confession from the guy who did it you still that insist I’m the liar.

                  You’re mentally ill. That’s the only explanation.

                  1. 1. Sarcasmic makes a post under his own name, but when he sobers up he realizes it implicates his sockpuppet. Blames Tulpa via a mechanism that clearly doesn’t work.

                    2. Sarcasmic then makes several posts clearly stating that he’s here mostly to troll.

                    3. It’s everyone else’s fault. Not sarcasmic’s. We’re all liars and mentally ill for talking about it.

                    Fucking amazing.

                    1. So after Tulpa bragging about spoofing people, and Overt seeing through your nonsense, you’re going to insist that it was all me.

                      Go for it. The only person you’re embarrassing is yourself.

                    2. Pretty sure that I’m embarrassing you, or you wouldn’t have started bitching about it this morning.

            2. “Years” is a funny way to say “last November”, you retarded drunk.

              So you combed through eleven months of archives to find a quote by someone impersonating me that doesn’t even prove what you’re trying to prove.

              What. A. Fucking. Loser.

              1. The magic of Google, you stupid drunk.

                Also, do all alcoholics perceive time like you, or just the brain damaged ones?

            3. Oh come on, ML. I have watched assholes like Tulpa pull exactly what Sarc describes. Those are not his messages.

              The thing you guys don’t understand is that he isn’t reacting against the right (or for the left). He is reacting against you guys. And since you are always here attacking the left, he finds himself arguing on the side of our resident lefties (despite the fact that I have seem him critical of leftists many times in the past).

              It utterly baffles me that you guys think you can prove he is a lefty, when it is patently obvious that he is just broken. Can you live with that victory? You have broken a grown man so badly that he starts every thread as a pre-emptive attack on you and Jesse. He doesn’t see the issues any more, he just sees a delusional image in his head and starts rebutting it.

              Take your lap and let’s move on, for christ’s sake.

              1. I’m broken? The only broken people I see are Ken and the others who were completely crushed by the election. They still believe that Trump won, and the fact that he’s not in office causes them to sob every morning. I haven’t changed a bit.

                1. Keep happily ignoring the destruction of your freedoms while you continue to attack someone out of office you pathetic shit. You have no principles.

                  1. Weren’t you just putting down the left for opposing Trump’s mask mandates? Make up your mind.

                    1. When did trump.have a mask mandate you retarded fuck?

                2. “I’m broken? ”

                  Yes you are, Sarc. I hate to say it, and I regret that it has happened. But yes.

                  Any time I see your name for the first time on a thread, I can almost guarantee that it is you parodying what you think Jesse will say- something along the lines of “Hur dur, but because Reason doesn’t say X, that means they are Y”. Then commences an 80 post shit flinging fest that has left the scroll function on my mouse broken after 6 months of this nonsense.

                  Are the trumpaloos trollish assholes? Yes. Broken is trying to out troll them. Don’t be broken.

                  1. Fair enough.

                    1. just another POS troll, broken by Trump

                  2. Problem is his strawman are as broken as he is. He can’t have an honest argument. Me calling his bullshit out just enraged him.

              2. I’m pretty sure that they are, Overt. Even he doesn’t dispute the admission to trolling is him, only the Sqrlsy one.

                Also, you may want to note that he brought this all up himself this morning.
                Not me.

              3. It doesn’t matter because he straight up lies about his real posts. And yes he has been caught multiple times posting sqrsly paste with no hair space.

                He continues to lie about his strawman argument from 3 days ago even after posting direct links. He lies constantly about what he has said in the past and is now crying about people citing his comments.

                He shitposts in every God damn thread trying to attack conservatives. It is pathetic at this point.

                1. Disagreeing with the voices in your head is not lying.

                  1. Lol. Proof positive. Dear. I posted your direct quote after you denied making it. This is amazing to watch. Need the link? I linked it for you yesterday and you ran.

            4. The funny thing is the little bitch always asks for a cite and now when we start citing him he cries even more.

              1. You quote red herrings and then claim they prove I support the left. If you’re going to quote me, do it right. Jeez. You could screw up a wet dream.

                1. Please learn what a red herring is. I post your full posts dumbass.

          2. have started posting quotes of mine as if they mean something?

            So you’re saying what you post is meaningless drivel? I don’t disagree.

            However, I’m inclined to believe that you were being somewhat honest when you confessed that you were only here to troll:
            sarcasmic
            August.12.2021 at 4:45 pm

            I only show up to watch the clowns duke it out, while tossing in this or that provocation. Bread and circuses. This is my circus.

            https://reason.com/2021/08/12/cdc-took-mistaken-data-on-delta-variant-transmissibility-from-a-new-york-times-infographic/#comment-9044167

            1. I stir shit up. So what. You don’t?

              1. Thanks for the additional quote, trollboy.

                sarcasmic
                September.10.2021 at 12:14 pm

                I stir shit up. So what.

                1. Found a quote to support your allegations of me being a leftist yet?

                  Keep looking. Maybe you’ll find one by ” sarcasmic” to support your lies.

                  1. Trying to change the subject, trollboy?
                    “Don’t look at my admission of guilt, look over there!”

                    1. The only one who admitted guilt was Tulpa.

                    2. I stir shit up. So do you. What’s your point?

                    3. I don’t, but I do do battle with trolls and fifty-centers.

                    4. Battle? You make stuff up and then call the person a liar when they point it out. That’s not battle. That’s middle school. Grow up.

                    5. “Make stuff up”

                      Everyone can follow the links, sarc. There’s no “edit” button. Everyone knows you’re a troll.

                  2. Find a post of yours criticizing biden yet? God knows you’ve had 9 months to do so.

                    1. Oh there have been several. Most of which came with a “Watch JesseAz pretend this comment doesn’t exist” footer. And sure enough, you pretend the comments don’t exist.

                      You’re mentally ill, you know that? You’ve got an unnatural obsession with me, you’re trying to prove things you know I never said, and you think about me constantly.

                      Get help.

                    2. So you can’t find one is what you’re saying.

              2. I stir shit up. So what.

                Stir? You persistently attempt to make a shit milkshake in a blender without a lid.

                Then we get a thread like this where you argue endlessly that your endless arguing doesn’t consistently disrupt only one ‘side’ of the discussions.

                Go fuck yourself, Non-Absolute.

          3. “Stop using my own posts against me. Waaaah” – sarcasmic.

            1. Except you haven’t. All you’ve managed to prove is that you’ve got no proof of what you say about me.

              1. Lol. And here you go. I’m literally posting your quotes showing you to be a fucking liar just like 3 days ago you ignorant lying fuck. This is just pathetic at this point.

                1. Except you’re wrong. As usual. You quote me contradicting your narrative about me and use that as evidence that I’m a liar, except you’ve got nothing to prove your narrative. Which makes you the liar. Except you honestly believe in this strawman you’ve dreamt up about me, so when I contradict the voices in your head you honestly believe I’m the liar.

                  You’re mentally ill.

                  Get help.

                  1. Lol. This is pathetic even for you. Here is the link. Everyone can see for themselves. 3rd day in a row you’ll run from it. I’ll start at the top of the exchange.

                    https://reason.com/2021/09/07/ohio-hospital-allowed-to-stop-treating-covid-19-patient-with-ivermectin/#comment-9087901

                    Summary:

                    Me: sarcasmic and others were throwing around a strawman of people saying “if something isn’t 100% effective they should do it” while criticizing off brand generics.

                    You: I didn’t say that.

                    Me: you said it last week.

                    You: no i didn’t. Liar.

                    Me:

                    sarcasmic
                    August.30.2021 at 11:46 am
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                    Either the vaccine is 100% safe and effective, or there is no point in taking it at all. If you say it’s a good idea then you’re saying it’s 100% safe and effective, and you’re wrong. Just to prove it people who’ve been vaccinated have died of the disease. That means it’s a joke. It doesn’t work at all for anyone. It’s all a big lie being pushed by Democrats who want to take away our freedoms. Don’t you know anything?

                    Youre pathological at this point.

      3. “YOU’LL MAKE KEN CRY!!!!”

        You made Ken mute you, trollboy.

        1. After he I made him cry.

          1. Telling you to go fuck yourself, isn’t crying by any metric.

            1. Cry more.

              1. Those tears of drunken rage are rolling down your cheeks, not mine.

    3. Extremely well said. The American people and liberty are the only casualties in this bullshit turf war between the Reds and Blues.

      1. What use is your Both Sidez faith if you do nothing and take tyranny like a bitch?

        1. The problem is if you just blindly trust one side to protect your rights, we will be living in tyranny! Both sides are leading us to tyranny. Read Overt’s original post.

          1. Oh, I 100% agree with your lack of trust in politicians from either side doing anything other than advancing tyranny.
            I don’t think anyone who’s read my posts here over the months/years would allege I’ve got any faith in the system.
            My point is what is the use in bringing up Both Sidez if it isn’t followed by an alternative to picking a side?
            You either play their game and hope for the best, don’t play and pray for not the worst, or realize that there are no rules they’ll abide by and fuck their game up.

            1. I vote for fuck their game up.
              If we keep letting the political class establish the rules of engagement for the people, then we are most certainly going to lose all of our freedoms.

    4. Here, here. I’ll add the Team Red/Blue rule by executive order is no way to run a Republic.

      1. I guess the upside is we could just get rid of Congress at this point, and stop paying their salaries. They don’t do anything.

        1. Congress still does important things like having impeachment hearings for people no longer in office and host doctors that lie.

    5. Never forget that no matter who wins the Super Bowl, all that money goes to the NFL to be divvied out among the teams involved. You might cheer for one team, and idolize some of the players, but never forget that their ultimate goal is the preservation of the NFL, and your support is just a means to the goal.

      Structured opposition is still opposition. Especially if it’s the actual opposition has any chance of winning. Whaddyagonna do? Give money and eyeballs to the XFL? Again?

      1. Additionally, this is a bit of a one-dimensional analysis. Remember when Montana Republicans forced their emissions standards on California Democrats? When Indiana Republicans forced their views about Gay Marriage on Illinois or even just Chicago Democrats? No? No memory of that?

  24. Anti-Vaxxers Have a Dangerous Theory Called “Natural Immunity.” Now It’s Going Mainstream
    “Your body is an amazing being—it knows how to take care of itself.”

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/05/anti-vaxxers-have-a-dangerous-theory-called-natural-immunity-now-its-going-mainstream/

    1. Tell me you don’t understand how vaccines work without telling me you don’t understand.

      Good work mother Jones.

    2. Show of hands – how many anti-vaxxers are arguing that the vaccines cause autism in children?

    3. Well, when 2+2=5…

    4. Lol, so we can expect chemjeff and White Mike to be arguing these brave new talking points as soon as this story hits Twitter.

    5. Our immune systems will get weaker because of lack of exposure to germs. They weren’t the only ones to make this argument.

      ‘Demented’ or ‘schizophrenic’ rather than ‘weaker’ may be a better term, but this, or an extremely-related analogue is already well established. There are commercially-available baby foods with controlled doses of common allergens that exist specifically because if you keep a body isolated from them, it doesn’t learn not to attack them.

      1. Remember chicken pox parties?

        1. No money in that.

    6. Okay, I am now filing a restraining order.
      Liberal dems and science can no longer come within 500 feet of each other.

  25. China Weighing Occupation of Former U.S. Air Base at Bagram: Sources
    Building on friendly relations Beijing has secured with the new Taliban government in Afghanistan, China is now considering new ways to expand influence and embarrass the U.S.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2021-09-07/china-weighing-occupation-of-former-us-air-base-at-bagram-sources

    1. Right, embarrass us by wasting their money.

      1. China is after the $3T of rare earth minerals underneath Afghanistan. Or in other currency, about half a Bernie.

        1. Well, the same problems that prevented them up to this point from accessing those minerals still exist. The difference is America is no longer paying for Afghanistan’s security.

          1. who’s the them^?

          2. Why would China want to do business with an American puppet government? And the demand for those minerals twenty years ago was not what it is today.

    2. Surprising exactly nobody.

      Hell, maybe they TOLD Biden to GTFO and leave in the middle of the night so they could have all the toys.

  26. “Plus: The vaccine and abortion debates”

    Ummmmmm, the right to access abortion care is clearly spelled out in the United States Constitution. The “right” to refuse vaccination is not.

    #LibertariansForMandatoryVaccination

    1. ‘Nother anti-semetic scumbag; deleted

    2. Hi Misek.

    3. OBL was just a patsy

      Right after a post by Reason’s own OBL? Very meta.

  27. “At the root of both issues is bodily autonomy.”

    Who’s body?

    1. Mr. Body’s body. In the library with the candlestick holder.

      1. Damn! I thought it was Mr. Peacock in the oval office with the covid vaccine.

  28. Victoria Playgrounds Were Closed to Stop Parents Meeting, Not to Stop ‘Covid’ Spreading Among Children

    https://davidicke.com/2021/09/02/victoria-playgrounds-were-closed-to-stop-parents-meeting-not-to-stop-covid-spreading-among-children/

    1. So that was Victoria’s secret?!?!

  29. <blockquoteQAnon-obsessed surf school owner, 40, appears in court as he's indicted for the 'killing his young children with spear gun in Mexico because he thought they had serpent DNA'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975771/Court-sketches-released-QAnon-obsessed-father-killed-two-children-spear-gun.html

    Trump Derangement Syndrome is alive and well.

    1. Surely this was trumps fault. You got him good.

      1. He was probably still a little sober when he found his big “gotcha” too.

      1. Dammit. Youre going to send sarcasmic into a victimhood spiral by pointing out his posts accurately.

      2. It happens.

        1. The victim spiral did happen just above. Lol.

    2. Have you read that article, Sarc? I am having trouble understanding where the QAnnon angle is coming from. They go deep into this guy’s posting behavior in the article and really the most QAnnon thing is this one:

      “In yet another post that bears some similarity to the anti-establishment ethos of QAnon, Coleman says he is ‘convinced at some point in our lives we will accumulate enough valid evidence for why we should stop trusting our government officials, bosses, coworkers, church, family and friends'”

      He looks to me like he was just plain nuts.

      1. I’ll save an answer. No he didn’t actually read the article.

      2. QAnnon isn’t a Trump-worshiping cult?

        1. Ah more misdirection and mind reading from the dirty sock account.

          1. More projection from a guy who’s “special” sock is getting crunchy.

        2. You could have found a quote from the article to support your assertion. Instead you ignored overt actually reading the article and showing no qanon connections to double down on a trump attack.

          You are fucking pathetic.

      3. Sarcasmic would have you believe Trump told him to shoot his kids.

    3. Jesus, what the fuck is wrong with you? The guy is clearly schizophrenic. That has no relevance whatsoever to real politics.

  30. “The reason that Americans don’t have access to cheap, fast COVID-19 self-tests right now is because the hypercautious regulators at the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have been ridiculously slow to approve such tests,”

    The way to overcome the FDA’s caution is obvious. All Big Pharma has to do is invent a new test that’s highly unreliable and kills thousands of people but is still under patent and therefore extremely expensive. The FDA regulators will not just fall over themselves approving it, the government will spend billions of our dollars to buy and distribute the tests and make it mandatory for everyone to take them on a regular basis.

  31. “Two Big New Ways the Biden Administration Plans To Overstep Its Pandemic Authority”

    Promises made, promises kept.

  32. Pssst! Wanna buy a vaccination card? I’m surprised, although I shouldn’t be, that Biden and the progs once again can’t see that there’s a way around their mandates.

    1. They are already arresting people for felony fake vaccine card creation.

      1. As with any contraband, It’s easy to fake and sell them under the radar. You’d have to be pretty dumb to try and sell them on the internet, but let’s say you work for a large employer and know some people who don’t want to get the vaccine. If you photocopy your card with name blanked out and sell to them for $50 each, you could do ok

        1. I don’t think you realize how this is going to work. In California and around the country already there is a database of people who are vaxed.

          This is going to be a form of e-verify. Your identity is confirmed then they verify with a third party that you are appropriately jabbed for this month.

          1. It was my understanding that they are not keeping any database of vaxxed individuals because of HIPPA. It might be on your medical record but that is private. Maybe this has changed?

            1. “only the tip, I promise”

              Seriously, we had to provide copies of our vax card, and have very sincerely promised that all information pertaining to this will be destroyed once covid is over. So, I figure in about a billion years or so when the Sun goes red-giant, we can safely assume this information will be destroyed. Covid is not going away. That is not a matter of “they won’t let it go away, it’s too useful”, but a matter of biology. Covid is here to stay, so we’d best start figuring out how to get our liberty back given that fact.

              1. Since the democrats are so in love with Communist China, I offer this:

                “Political power grows from the barrel of a gun.”
                – Mao Zedong.

            2. In the wake of mass shootings, there’s often a quick fact check that tells us the gun was acquired legally. My understanding is that the feds aren’t supposed to be keeping a record of who purchases a gun, but they get that information out so quickly. I know there are other sources than the FBI or the ATF to get this data, but I simply don’t believe that all this data is being generated and no one is archiving it. You know how Say’s law has it, oversimplified, that “Supply creates its own demand”? There must be a parallel or related phenomenon, where the existence of data creates the demand to archive it.

              When the NSA started logging our metadata, it wasn’t because it became legal. It was because it became possible. Amazon and Facebook collect every piece of data they can about us and our purchases, but no one in the federal government is tracking who bought a gun and who is vaccinated? This data is at the center of our policy debates, and no one is bothering to collect it and archive it? I want to believe in the incompetence of government bureaucrats, but the one thing they are–even the incompetent ones–is meticulous. Cuneiform, the first writing in history, was invented so bureaucrats could keep meticulous records.

              1. From which would follow that written record keeping was developed not to make sure the right amount of wheat went to the troops, but to provide a paper (or stone) trail so the clerk could do a CYA (“Oh your Majesty, truly I did tell the camel team driver to take 300 bushels to the men in Babylon. See? Right here! I wrote it down!”)

                1. That’s exactly right.

                  When you see what most of those cuneiform tablet said, it’s a bureaucrat’s record of how much he collected in barley from this person, how many goats he had and was taxed for, etc. They didn’t want to be accused of corruption, so they used a wedge to cut the record into a clay tablet, and then they had the tablet baked in a kiln to make the record permanent. If they reported what they collected, they couldn’t be accused of pocketing any or letting anybody off the hook.

                  If we looked at the first thing written on the first clay tablet, it could probably be accurately translated to say, “Procedures were followed”.

          2. I put my card in a safe place, and then couldn’t find it. So I called up the pharmacy where I got poked and they drew up a new one. The information’s in a computer somewhere.

            1. An alcoholic lost something?!?! News at 11

  33. I work for a very large medical provider in upstate NY.
    The state has mandated that ALL healthcare employees be vaccinated by the middle of the month with NO medical or religious exemptions.
    Roughly 20% of our employees aren’t vaccinated and about 80% of those say they are willing to lose their job rather than get the shot.

    1. A state enforced mandate applying only to hospital workers is not even in the same category as a Federal mandate applying to all workers.

      1. Nothing in his post said it was, asshole Nazi Mike

        You like your jeffsarc socks engage in bad mind reading.

    2. This actually works in the state’s benefit. When they have to close down beds because of 20% less staff, they can more easily claim “THE HOSPITALS ARE OVERWHELMED!!!!!!”

  34. > Among unvaccinated workers who are not self-employed, about 7 in 10 say they would likely quit if their employer required them to be vaccinated

    This sounds suspiciously like all those Hollywood types who threatened to move to Canada if Bush won. I’m not backing Biden (gawd no) but claiming that one will quit over something is what people boast about all the time but it never actually happens.

    A religious exception is one thing, but this is not religious, it’s pure politics. The number of actual dedicated anti-vaxxers isn’t that large, most people refusing COVID vaccines are doing it out of partisan politics, not because they found some verse in their Bible saying medicine is bad.

    1. Hey, Brandyshit! Got your guy! Happy now, little boy?

    2. “most people refusing COVID vaccines are doing it out of partisan politics”

      Most people refusing COVID vaccines are doing it because they don’t want to play experimental Guinea Pigs for untested technology. Most people refusing COVID vaccines have learned that three of the vaccines are causing significant inflammation in every single person who receives them, and in some cases, clotting. Most people refusing COVID vaccines are listening to their own doctor’s warning them against taking them (35% of doctors).

      Only partisan Democrats are making COVID vaccine hesitancy about politics, and ignoring the fact that many of the reluctant are their claimed constituencies. Like minorities and youth.

    3. Who gives a fuck if it is political or not. I’m sure that for a large number of them it is. But so what? The MANDATE IS FUCKING POLITICS, TOO!

      It is past time to stop carrying water for totalitarians. They get away with this shit because people like you have spent a year saying “While technically people should have the right to not vaccinate, let me go on a long rant about why that is morally wrong and they are stupid, and their reasons don’t actually matter”.

      Stop worrying about why someone declines to stick a needle in their arms, and spend as much time stopping this complete totalitarian overreach.

    4. I know one religious objector to vaccinations, or just about any traditional medicine for that matter. But the exception kinda proves your point.

      1. You know a lot of fake people that happen to support your conclusions.

        1. If you leave out Mike’s lies, there’s not a lot left.

          1. Like a Biden presser without the mumbling.

    5. most people refusing COVID vaccines are doing it out of partisan politics

      Liar. Most people are doing it because they don’t perceive the virus as dangerous to them. That is exactly why I was unvaccinated when I contracted COVID. It didn’t kill me and I infected exactly one other person who was vaccinated and willingly exposed themselves to it.

      Smallpox, TB, MMR, chicken pox, and all the other vaccines that are required for school and travel have something in common; they actually prevent the recipient from contracting and transmitting the disease. It is unquestionably pointless to mandate a vaccine that doesn’t actually prevent spread. People are not as stupid as you hope they are.

      1. Yeah, people don’t generally go out of their way to do anything unless they see it as a necessity, and there are plenty of people who don’t see much need in getting vaccinated.

        I think it’s true that a lot of progressives imagine that being anti-vax is a conservative thing because it dovetails with their anti-science narrative, but there aren’t very many people who care so much about Trump that they don’t want to get vaccinated just to stick it to Biden. That’s a progressive fantasy about how average people make their decisions.

        1. progressives imagine that being anti-vax is a conservative thing because it dovetails with their anti-science narrative

          I work with quite a few Hispanic small contractors here in Central Texas. I don’t think any of them are vaccinated.

          Just like the media are trying to link all Trump supporters to some crazy fucker that shot his kids with a speargun and followed QAnon, they are trying to link them with the anti-vax movement. In reality, most of the unvaccinated are people who are just working too hard to take a chance that the shot will make them sick.

          That Progressives are unable to imagine work demands getting in the way of vaccination is not a surprise at all.

  35. https://twitter.com/paulthacker11/status/1436318544417886215?s=19

    Sooo, can we ask yet why over 200 million Americans have been vaxxed and daily cases right now are 300% higher than they were a year ago when there were ZERO people vaccinated or naw?

    1. Because Delta is more of URI than LRI, far more likely to be detected in asymptomatic / mildly symptomatic individuals, and is far more transmissible. In equivalent vaccinated populations it is far less likely to result in complications, thanks to the internal protection conferred.

      Hasn’t this been beaten to death by now? A case is not a case is not a case. It’s a bad metric; stop using it.

      Related: https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-vaccines-last-a-lifetime-heres-why-covid-19-shots-dont-11631266201

      1. Up until a few days ago, the covid “vaccine” didn’t come up to the level of the CDC’s definition of “vaccine” or “vaccination”. It is a temporary symptom mitigation serum.

        1. It’s better than the flu shot, which is fine for what it needs to be. Delta’s preeminence should moot the vaccination argument soon anyway – you, me, and anyone else that hasn’t gotten COVID yet is going to get it by this time next year, and again and again and again at undetermined points in the future.

          1. Doesn’t look like covid beats natural immunity so you won’t get it over and over again although you might get a milder variant. On the other hand if you rely solely on these “vaccines” you’ll keep getting it until you develop natural immunity or get regular boosters,

            1. if you rely solely on these “vaccines” you’ll keep getting it until you develop natural immunity

              Well, yeah. Kind of the ideal outcome, really.

        2. This talking point has come up in the comments several times in the past few days.

          It’s a really weak talking point. Definitions evolve, and the definition of “vaccine” sorely needed an update after the invention of mRNA vaccines.

          1. Definitions evolve

            No they don’t. That is what makes them definitions. A different thing is not the same thing and needs a new fucking word.

            Why do you persist in proving how dumb you are.

    2. Careful with that Misinformation there.

    3. And over 150,000,000 have had prior infections?

      1. Also that.

  36. Brookings / Lawfare evaluates the Babbitt shooting: not a good shoot, not a criminal act. The sort of thing that sh/would get the principal two weeks of desk duty and a fast track to retirement.

    [T]he shooting of Ashli Babbitt is more complicated than ideologically grounded conclusions suggest. We are scholars who have studied policing for a combined four decades and experts in police tactics and the use of force who have testified in state and federal courts, and we’ve noticed legal and factual complexities that have gone largely unacknowledged. Applying the typical legal framework, we have serious reservations about the propriety of the shooting. We also have some doubts about whether the typical legal framework is the right one to apply.

    In this post, we attempted to bring a balanced perspective to the shooting, applying the now-familiar constitutional standard that regulates the use of deadly force. The limited public information that exists raises serious questions about the propriety of Byrd’s decision to shoot, especially with regard to the assessment that Babbitt was an imminent threat. To belabor the obvious, though, we cannot definitively analyze a situation without the relevant facts, and there is a frustrating shortage of facts. But there are enough facts to conclude that even if Byrd violated Babbitt’s Fourth Amendment rights, it is highly unlikely that he could be ethically charged with, let alone convicted of, a crime.

    1. If she was overdosing and black the cop would be in jail.

    2. Looks like Brookings is inviting a deplatforming and an audit.

    3. What are you talking about? According to people in these comments it was premeditated. Her murderer was so intent on killing her that he took a picture of her to work with him. He’d been planning it for weeks.

      1. In fact it wouldn’t surprise me if he organized the entire Jan 6 protest/riot just so he could have the opportunity to murder her.

        1. What you are babbling about now? Oh some mind reading again I see.

          1. Read your mind. Again.

            1. For someone who likes to accuse people of arguing things that they never said, you sure do love to indulge in your own rhetorical land of make-believe.

              1. I think it’s quite obvious that I’m being facetious. As opposed to my fan club which honestly believes I’m a committed leftist.

                1. I think it’s quite obvious that I’m being facetious.

                  You flat out admit you posted a disingenuous comment intended to add nothing to the discussion, but only to elicit a reactionary response.

                  Troll confesses trolling is new thing. It will take a while to process.

                2. Hey, you’re the one who comes back here day after day to get in slap fights with them, despite supposedly finding a community of like-minded bros to hang out with.

                  The longer you keep posting here, the more your self-awareness erodes.

        2. Ooh, even Pillow Guy hadn’t thought of that one yet.

          1. Ooh,

            White Mike gets a boner when he thinks about traitors getting their just reward. Perfect candidate for Biden Brownshirt Brigade.

    4. “But there are enough facts to conclude that even if Byrd violated Babbitt’s Fourth Amendment rights, it is highly unlikely that he could be ethically charged with, let alone convicted of, a crime.”

      Completely full of fucking shit. These same people would be screaming to hang Byrd if the exact same situation happened in Portland, but Babbit was an Antifa member.

      No perceived imminent threat of deadly force or serious bodily injury? No justification to use deadly force. This isn’t difficult.

  37. “America’s wealthiest are avoiding as much as $163 billion a year in taxes”
    https://theweek.com/us/1004647/americas-wealthiest-are-avoiding-as-much-as-163-billion-a-year-in-taxes

    Number pulled out of ass to pitch for larger IRS budget

    1. Got to keep a close watch on that herd of milk cows.

    2. $163 billion? That’s an outrage! Fortunately, the Democrats have already started correcting this injustice by repealing the SALT deduction, allowing America’s wealthiest to avoid even more in taxes. Hopefully, more tax laws and regulations will allow our billionaire overlords avoid even more, perhaps as much as $500 billion in the near future.

    3. Good.. the less money the feds get the better and i don’t care who it is that avoids paying.

  38. “Adam Kovacevich
    @adamkovac
    I confess that I am absolutely dying over NewsCorp — after publishing oped after oped in the WSJ for months *trashing* Section 230…suddenly realizing in Australia that they want the SAME EXACT PROTECTION that 230 provides

    Jason Goswami
    Replying to @adamkovac
    Because it’s impossible to think that 230 is a flawed law, with both good parts and bad parts that invite abuse, like the Good Samaritan Clause.
    Reasonable people have to be all for it, or all against it. No room for criticism allowed in the former.”

  39. >>But at the root of both issues is bodily autonomy.

    exactly. very simple. if heartbeat, bodily autonomy.

    1. If they can perform a medically unnecessary abortion without compromising the bodily autonomy of the kid, I’m fine with it.
      People need to remember that in 99.9% of the cases, the woman’s personal choices put the child in there.

      1. >> I’m fine with it.

        ya I like it. go, science!

      2. Super spreaders are to blame.

  40. Now they’re confiscating alcohol delivered to locked-down Australian apartments if booze volume exceeds state-sanctioned limits
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/confiscating-alcohol-australian-state-sanctioned-limits

    In New South Wales — a southeastern state encompassing Sydney — alcohol deliveries to apartments under COVID-19 lockdown are being confiscated if booze volume exceeds limits mandated by the Ministry of Health, news.com.au reported.

    The powers that be are enacting daily alcohol limits to “ensure the safety of health staff and residents,” the outlet added.

    News.com.au said Mission Australia’s Common Ground building in Camperdown is the latest building where occupants are subjected to such rules — and it should come as no surprise that they don’t like it.

    1. Looks like the Hong Konging of Australia is nearly complete.

      1. Weigel is furiously masturbating to what is happening in Australia.

        1. He gave it a standing oivation.

          1. Did someone say something about a negligent discharge?

    2. On a side note, purchases of yeast, molasses and copper tubing have skyrocketted in the states involved.

      1. Reminds me of the old brick of wine.

        “After dissolving the brick in a gallon of water, do not place the liquid in a jug away in the cupboard for twenty days, because then it would turn into wine.”

        https://grapecollective.com/articles/prohibitions-grape-bricks-how-to-not-make-wine

  41. Funny thing is, I was just about to get an appointment to get the jab, but the anti-authoritarian in me won’t allow it while under threat. I know, I know ; its completely irrational but fuck you.

    We’ll see over time but this definitely just delayed it.

    1. If the vaccine is right for you, you should probably get it anyway. You can still protest the authoritarianism by burning your vaccine passport like Italians have taken to doing.

    2. >>its completely irrational

      no, it is completely understandable. instinct.

    3. That’s not a good way to make decisions. Go get vaccinated. You are literally letting others control your actions, others with stupid politics you don’t even agree with.

      1. >>You are literally letting others control your actions

        lol do you think while you type, Breakfast Club?

      2. Was the fuck you not clear? The only reason I was going to get it was to see some shows again. I can wait.

        1. It’s a dumb, partisan decision on your part, but it’s your life.

          1. It’s a dumb, partisan decision

            You equate anti-authoritarian with partisan. That explains a lot.

          2. If you call libertarianism partisan, then maybe.

        2. Take a page from our “natural conservatives” and bribe someone you know to enter your name on their shot records. Then take a sick day.

          You’ve done your part!

    4. Hey look… dumbass chooses to endanger himself and those around here by literally and figuratively dying on the dumbest fucking hill in human history.

      1. I’m stronger than you and will win.

        I’m not going to take a vaccine or the multitude of boosters just to rid the world of weaker people like you.

        1. What can I say? You’re a narcissist. There’s no changing that other than sticking an ice pick up into your eye.

          1. Nope. You’re a weak emoting woman. The Jew at Auschwitz who got her own room for snitching on her own kind.

      2. If you have the shot, you’re not being endangered, right?

      3. “Hey look… dumbass chooses to endanger himself and those around here by literally and figuratively dying on the dumbest fucking hill in human history.”

        Hey, look! Commie shit thinks this is any of his business.
        Pay your mortgage, fuck off and die.

      4. Reminder that AmSoc was exposed as one of Buttplug’s sockpuppet’s.

        https://reason.com/2021/08/31/americas-longest-war-is-over/#comment-9076679

      5. by literally and figuratively dying on the dumbest fucking hill in human history

        Less risk of dying from COVID than from jumping in the car to drive to Home Depot = dumbest fucking hill in human history.

        Progressive logic, people. Coming soon to your workplace.

  42. “Overstep Its Pandemic Authority”

    Didn’t read it because I knew it would be wishy washy bullshit.

    Hint: They have NO pandemic authority. Only a faux libertarian would assume otherwise.

  43. Neither side likes this analogy. (“Pregnancy isn’t contagious!” point out pro-choice advocates. “Abortion is about more than just one body,” argue pro-lifers.) But at the root of both issues is bodily autonomy. And even each side’s objections share a similarity, in invoking other lives at stake.

    More than being about bodily autonomy, it’s about personal responsibility. Each of us must answer to whatever we hold sacred, whether it be a diety, or our own moral integrity.

  44. Speaking of overreach, I think I know the gorilla lady who threw an egg at Larry Elder. Let me go on record as saying that I think what she did was very, very, very, very wrong. In her defense, I’d just say that it’s kind of understandable what happened. I mean, Larry was there milling around with poor Black people who aren’t his kind. His kind are rich White asshole racists who finance a Black man in order to say things that validate their racism. What did he expect?

    He’s more Huntington Beach and less Ventura Beach and needs to understand that his place is integrating amongst douchebag White people on the golf course. LET’S TEE IT OFF!!!

    1. so if you come from nothing but get rich like Obama you shouldn’t be listened to by poor black people?

      1. No. I’m saying that I listen to his show and the general takeaway is a.) he doesn’t seem to really like Black people (at least Black people with less money than him) and b.) he doesn’t really seem to like California. I have to wonder in response to b.) why he would want to be governor. I basically want people to be happy so I’m voting no as I don’t think Larry would be too happy in the job. There’s no shortage of Leftists and anarchists and if Larry can’t stand an egg being thrown at him how’s he going to deal with people who don’t kiss his arse all day on AM radio?

        1. sending an egg-armed chick who couldn’t hit the ocean from the beach ruined the photo-op

      2. Obama’s cool. He “came from nothing” in the sense that his mom was a penniless Ph.D. student. (Having dependents is the only way you can get stamps in such a position, btw, which is why she got them.) This is why the handsome fellow was such a perfect, ingenious “first black president,” seemingly made in a lab for the Subaru demographic. The poor black boy who was not an American black, has an all white family, grew up abroad and came home to prep with a handful of blacks at most, and came from the bougiest conceivable form of “poverty.” He dumped the love of his life to take up with a Chicagoan who could teach him how to be black, so he didn’t come off as a complete Kaepernick when he tried, then he walked that line masterfully for a decade and a half and counting. Kufi off to you my brother.

        1. Pepin, this is what I would consider racist. You?

          1. No quibbling away a white liberal throwing eggs and physically assaulting a black man is racist.

            1. I’ve learned from you guys that calling anyone a racist before actually having a tribunal and a mind meld to get into someone’s head is a Nono. Has that changed?

              1. No, only white leftists are racist.

        2. That is practically an OBL level of sarcasm and poignancy. I mean OBL at his best.

    2. Racist little bitch

      1. What did I say that was racist? Larry is a Black man who doesn’t like other Black people. It’s similar to when you guys bitch about self-loathing amongst White people. I mean, it’s bitchy and predictable, but not racist.

        1. You are that self-loathing white woman. Wants other people shit, likes decrees from your betters, can white knight on behalf of black folk.

        2. I bet Larry pays his mortgage, though.

        3. What did I say that was racist?

          …needs to understand that his place is integrating amongst douchebag White people

          Opining that anyone needs to ‘understand his place’ is pretty fucking prejudiced. I realize the left has switched from ‘prejudice’ to ‘racism’ in order to promote white guilt, but the logical fallacy is exactly the same. You lefties are the worst.

    3. I’ll tell you what, had that bitch confronted me she’d be in a coma. “I’ll fuck you up”, sure, you little 114lb cunt. Let’s see how that turns out.

      1. I think in the UK, traditionally, a politician would forfeit half his votes if he didn’t World Star the motherfucker. Losing is fine; it’s the thought that counts.

    4. Black is authentically whatever it wants to be.

      This comment is disgraceful.

      1. Have you listened to his show Ken? I have. He doesn’t like other Black people and he doesn’t like California. Why should people vote for him then?

        Go ahead and have your little social justice party Ken along with some CRT. I’ve learned from you guys that the noblest thing in life is to be accused of racism when you aren’t a racist. Check and check Ken. I’m already feeling morally superior… just like you. Feelz great!

        1. Leftists don’t like the US, but still want to run the country. Why should people vote for them then?

        2. Let me be on record as stating you are a steaming pile of lefty shit who would make the world a better place by fucking off and dieing.

          1. “Where decent people don’t have to smell him.” I think you coined that phrase.

    5. His kind are rich White asshole racists

      Like Robin DiAngelo?

      1. Rich white assholes…Gavin Newsom?

    6. AS, You fucking racists are hilarious.

  45. Abortion and vaccine debates often find the same people on opposing sides of the line…Neither side likes this analogy. (“Pregnancy isn’t contagious!” point out pro-choice advocates. “Abortion is about more than just one body,” argue pro-lifers.) But at the root of both issues is bodily autonomy.

    Indeed. Both issues concern a claim on bodily autonomy, in the face of two completely different claims about the alleged rights of others. Therefore people may reach different conclusions. Both the prochoicer and the prolifer above, for example, happen to be completely correct. Either ENB is a dolt or she takes her readership to be.

  46. Mandated abortions. Argue against them.

    One rule: You’re not allowed to argue it on any ethical grounds based on “my body, my choice”. Your argument must be utilitarian on the lack of benefits to mandated abortion.

    Go.

    1. Interesting idea. You mean you have to demonstrate competence in your role as a possible parent with an undergirding of moral principles or else they give you an abortion? Eh, no… a bit too GOP for me.

      1. I think what he means is, show that it’s everyone’s best collective interest that you have a kid, otherwise, get an abortion.

        Very collectivist and progressive.

        1. I’m not saying the idea isn’t without its merits, but as a libertarian I’m philosophically opposed to nanny states that mandate what people do with their bodies— especially with regard to having and raising a child.

          1. I’m definitely in favor of your wife aborting every pregnancy that she has, if only to spare you from having to deal with raising a kid who doesn’t look anything like you.

            1. If we get pregnant one more time out comes the vacuum fer sure.

              1. I strongly recommend a coat hanger instead.

          2. “but as a libertarian I’m philosophically opposed to nanny states that mandate what people do with their bodies”

            Now do communism.

            1. Should I do the American version where they opposed militarism and supported civil rights or the Ukraine 1930s version that you like to read yourself to sleep to?

              1. “Should I do the American version where they opposed militarism and supported civil rights or the Ukraine 1930s version that you like to read yourself to sleep to?”

                Here’s a hint, you pathetic piece of lefty shit: Do the version where they actually hold power and can do anything. Not the version where they can mouth platitudes, asshole.
                Every time they are in control , millions of innocent people end up murdered.

              2. Should I do the American version where they opposed militarism and supported civil rights

                The American version supported the Russian invasion of Afghanistan counts as “militarism” and “violation of civil rights.”

                “Opposing militarism only from capitalist countries” is part of their anti-capitalism, not their anti-militarism.

              3. I see, commie shit, that you seem to have no response to the drastic differences between what commie shits claim they will do when they have no power and the mass-murder of innocents which results EVERY TIME THEY GAIN POWER!
                Claim “stupidity”, commie shit; it’s less embarrassing than resolute dishonesty.

      2. in a much-hailed book called Freakonomics the author posited that abortion was the singular cause of a massive drop in crime since the 1970s. Crime is often seen as a “public health issue”. If voluntary vaccinationabortion had produced that much of a positive benefit, imagine what we could do with an abortion mandate.

        1. Don’t give ’em any ideas. Seriously. I mean China lived this way for decades, and US leadership is drooling over the chance to become more like China.

    2. I think the Freakonomics guys famously wrote a paper arguing that legalized abortion caused the 1990s crime plunge. I think it, and they in general, have dropped in even popular esteem since then, but I haven’t been paying much attention.

      Meanwhile Iceland has nearly eradicated Down by killing them all in utero, and many are now so bold as to tout its benefits here. Technology continues to rapidly advance the ability to diagnose (and thereby thusly easily “prevent”) more and more birth defects and other ailments, even as it pushes viability so early even judges are saying we need to scrap the very notion. That, plus the hard shift away from anything resembling “liberalism” on the center-to-left–in this case, the bolder and bolder advocacy for abortion itself as a true moral good not just a right; and the deemphasis on “bodily autonomy” in general–and you will probably see “pro-choice” rhetoric notably shifting toward the utilitarian or even eugenicist.

      Not really what you requested; you just reminded me.

      1. “Meanwhile Iceland has nearly eradicated Down by killing them all in utero, and many are now so bold as to tout its benefits here.”

        I know that down syndrome, specifically, isn’t caused by incest, but the people of Iceland may have been especially enthusiastic about prenatal screening because they have a small, genetically homogeneous population and a tradition of using surnames derived from their father’s first name–which makes it easy to accidentally mate with a close relative. There are only 350,000 people in the whole country.

        There’s an incest prevention app there, now, that lets people bump their phones together to see if they’re related before they start dating.

        https://www.thedailybeast.com/icelands-incest-prevention-app-gets-people-to-bump-their-phones-before-bumping-in-bed

        No, down syndrome isn’t caused by inbreeding, but prenatal screening for any artifacts of incest probably caught the flags for down syndrome, too. Any society that doesn’t have a small, genetically homogeneous population and a tradition of using surnames that change with every generation, however, probably doesn’t have the same incentive as women in Iceland. That outcome seems to have driven by popular demand because of a real problem.

        Because something happens in Iceland, of course, doesn’t mean it will work here or that Iceland’s consumer driven solution should be inflicted on the American people by bureaucrats and scientific experts.

        1. Whoa. I hadn’t really thought about how Iceland–smaller than some neighborhoods in the world’s great cities–might be inbred, or that their first-names-only system might be exacerbating it. (Truthfully I have my doubts surnames really would be much help after so many generations, unless they were very numerous or were historically geographical or some such thing.) Icelanders–successful, beautiful–are of course just so cartoonishly far away from the “inbred” stereotype. I’d imagine that many other places–even, in Scandinavia, places like the Faroes and Åland (the island territory in Finland where essentially no one speaks what is now of course by far the more popular of Finland’s two official languages, and it is not even official and you will find no signage or anything in it)–would have similarly enduring self-contained populations even into today and have need of similar screening. I know it is big among Jews especially Chasidim.

          Of course the moral issue arises only with post conception screening and therapeutic use of abortion. Pre-hookup screening is certainly the future and cannot advance in technology and use fast enough IMO. It will be a real challenge to make it work as pregnancy increasingly decouples from the decision to get married.

          1. …I should clarify, specific genetic issues like Tay-Sachs that are not matters of incest per se will be the screening challenges as above.

        2. That is rather interesting about Iceland, but other European countries that do not have inbreeding problems are also screening and decrease down syndrome.

          https://www.nature.com/articles/s41431-020-00748-y#:~:text=For%20Europe%2C%20between%202011%E2%80%932015,births%2C%20or%2017%2C331%20births%20annually.

          1. Not sure what point you’re trying to make. Prenatal screening leads to a decreased number of people with down syndrome being born. Your link supports that observation, but I don’t think anyone was disputing that.

            1. You indicated that it was only Iceland doing a lot of prenatal screening due to inbreeding. I was providing information to show that other European countries were also doing high amounts of prenatal screening without the inbreeding excuse. They are doing the prenatal screen for down syndrome and other abnormalities.

              1. I was pointing out the likely reasons for Iceland’s success in nearly wiping out down syndrome entirely. These reasons, apparently, have a lot to do with factors that are peculiar to Iceland’s situation driving the people there to make certain choices, and the reasons don’t seem to have much of anything to do with policies being inflicted on the Icelandic people by government bureaucrats. Hope that clears things up.

      2. I think the Freakonomics guys famously wrote a paper arguing that legalized abortion caused the 1990s crime plunge. I think it, and they in general, have dropped in even popular esteem since then, but I haven’t been paying much attention.

        Yes, I argued against his thesis in the comments here at the time, and received some guff over it. But I believe other real economists made more educated arguments against it and I believe is theory fell out of favor. But regardless of the numbers, if we discovered that abortion HAD caused the plunge in crime, and if we accept that the government can mandate a medical procedure in the pursuit of societal good… then…

        1. Hey you don’t even need to prove the theory is correct. You just need to “feel” it and mandate.

        2. if we accept that the government can mandate a medical procedure in the pursuit of societal good…

          Then anything is justified. It’s just as easy to come up with some reason or other why anything is a social good (without even getting into the how one defines what is socially good), and thus the exact same logic that justifies mandating vaccines/abortions/etc. can be used to justify, for example, banning vaccines/abortions/etc.

  47. Its a good thing Trump didn’t get re-elected. I mean, we really dodged a bullet there. Can you imagine what that fascist would ne doing right now?

    Undermining the rule of law and putting out orders that not only exceed his authority but that he knows are unconstitutional on their face in the hopes that the courts will be too slow to act.

    Sheesh, he almost destroyed the country.

    1. But no worries. Norms restored.

      1. The Zoomers are back in the room, now.

  48. I’m Pro-Vaccine for me as an individual as I decided to get the vaccine, but I’m absolutely anti-mandate. I absolutely despised Trump, but at this point, I would prefer Donald Trump’s version of exceeding his Presidential authority while in office over Joe Biden’s increased level of exceeding his Presidential authority.

    I see the world in authoritarians versus libertarians. Both Donald Trump and Joe Biden are authoritarians, however Trump is authoritarian-lite compared to Joe Biden.

    Joe Biden should be removed from office, but not sure that I want Kamala Harris to hold the office. Pretty scary how brazen the authoritarians have become.

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