The FBI Secretly Ran an Encrypted Messaging Service To Conduct the Same Old Drug War Stings
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Is your encrypted messaging app being monitored by the FBI? Newly unsealed court documents show that the federal law enforcement agency for years ran an encrypted communications service called Anom.
"The FBI opened a new covert operation, Operation Trojan Shield, which centered on exploiting Anom by inserting it into criminal networks and working with international partners, including the Australian Federal Police ("AFP"), to monitor the communications," reads to a May 18 affidavit filed by FBI Special Agent Nicholas Cheviron. The FBI, AFP, and their developer source "built a master key into the existing encryption system which surreptitiously attaches to each message and enables law enforcement to decrypt and store the message as it is transmitted."
Starting in 2018, the FBI collected "encrypted messages of all of the users of Anoms with a few exceptions (e.g., the messages of approximately 15 Anom's users in the U.S. sent to any other Anom device are not reviewed by the FBI)," it says. Since October 2019, the FBI has catalogued "more than 20 million messages from a total of 11,800 devices (with approximately 9,000 active devices currently) located in over 90 countries."
Most of this monitoring seems to have been in service of the sniffing out drugs. In the affidavit's "small but representative sample of the criminal content" reviewed, all messages were related to cocaine or narcotics.
Authorities began announcing the results of the operation—including 700 houses searched and more than 800 arrests—at a Tuesday morning press conference in The Hague.
Calvin Shivers of the FBI called it "a shining example of what can be accomplished when international law enforcement partners from around the world work together and develop state-of-the-art investigative tools to detect, disrupt and dismantle transnational criminal organizations." Jean-Philippe Lecouffe, deputy director for operations of Europol, said the Anom operation was "one of the largest and most sophisticated law enforcement operations to date in the fight against encrypted criminal activities." Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison said it "struck a heavy blow against organized crime … around the world."
But for a global spy enterprise with seemingly unprecedented to criminal communications—spanning tens of millions of messages on thousands of devices reviewed by more than 9,000 cops in 16 countries—the results actually seem … rather lackluster? Internationally, the operation seized 250 guns, 55 cars, and $48 million in cash and cryptocurrency, plus 22 tons of marijuana and marijuana resin, eight tons of cocaine, and two tons of methamphetamine and amphetamine.
Basically, it was a big old Drug War bonanza, dressed up in fancy tech tools.
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The ACLU's identity crisis. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) was once known for defending the free speech rights of those with views outside the mainstream. But in recent years, that's been changing. The organization "has emerged as a muscular and richly funded progressive powerhouse in recent years, taking on the Trump administration in more than 400 lawsuits," notes The New York Times. "But the organization finds itself riven with internal tensions over whether it has stepped away from a founding principle—unwavering devotion to the First Amendment."
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Hypocrisy on display in Texas. The same politicians and crowds who complained loudly about governments telling private businesses they had to take certain pandemic-related precautions (like requiring masks) are now cheering governments telling private businesses they cannot take other pandemic-related precautions. In Texas, Gov. Greg Abbott just signed a law saying that businesses can't even ask potential customers about vaccination status.
Why not let businesses set their own rules and encourage customers to make their own decisions as to which establishments to visit? That's how free societies work. https://t.co/Z7j9GXFwW1
— J.D. Tuccille (@JD_Tuccille) June 7, 2021
"This actually is the toddler's conception of freedom libertarians get wrongly accused of holding: 'I'm free to do what I please without regard for others; you're free to indulge me, because I might feel less free if you get to make choices too,'" commented the Cato Institute's Julian Sanchez.
"Bad enough that he'd tell business owners how to run their shops, but he's doing it to pander to people who are keeping the pandemic going," tweeted conservative blogger and editor Allahpundit.
Why is it so hard for most political figures and their tribes to let people make their own decisions and to apply the same standards of liberty for things they personally agree with to things they don't? Everyone being in a rush to use government force to push their preferred agendas is how we get the hyper-partisan, crush-or-be-crushed mentality that drives so much of our political dysfunction today.
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Newly unsealed court documents show that the federal law enforcement agency for years ran an encrypted communications service called Anom.
Pretty sure the Playpen servers were a federal law enforcement low point, so this idea isn't much of a stretch.
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But the organization finds itself riven with internal tensions over whether it has stepped away from a founding principle—unwavering devotion to the First Amendment.
Wait, are they still pretending to neutrally defend all individual liberties? That wouldn't be very woke.
The First Amendment triggers me because it implies some Amendments came before others. Please stop pushing your hate agenda.
All amendments matter.
That's white supremacy! Only the 13th Amendment matters! And it should be interpreted that all work constitutes involuntary servitude! And that Congress can enact any legislation to enforce my rights not to work and be taken care of indefinitely by the government to prevent said work.
#13Matters
Except the 18th
And we can do without the 16th too
17th. defund Schumer.
Pretending is quite woke. They pretend to be antifascist while imitating Hitler's SA. They pretend to be antiracist while picking friends and enemies based on color. They pretend to be for helping the poor while pushing economically disastrous policies that will exclude poor Americans from jobs. They pretend to be for protecting the environment, but don't bother to learn the science so they can tell protecting from destroying, and also while pushing policies that spread poverty - and no one who is worried about feeding their family will ever care about their environmental impact. They pretend to be for equality while following an ideology that has consistently created a favored class living in luxury, while most of the population are much poorer than an American welfare family.
Why is it so hard for most political figures and their tribes to let people make their own decisions
Legislators gotta legislate.
Are we still impeaching Earl Warren and calling for the repeal of the Civil Rights Act that prohibits discrimination against Negroes?
I thought the word tribe is hate speech now.
It's not just that politicians want to push rules onto business. There is a dynamic where businesses want to blame unpleasantries on the government.
Last year, many local businesses welcomed a city-wide mask mandate. When employees had to tell customers who didn't want to wear masks that was company policy required them, some customers would get angry. Often it was some employee making little more than minimum wage having to act as the front line for some company policy they had no part in deciding.
But when the city issued a mandate, the same employees could tell the customers, "Hey, sorry, it's not us. It's the city." and deflect some of the anger.
It’s not just that politicians want to push rules onto business.
You could not be more wrong.
Yes, and that is a dynamic that produces some of the worst government meddling. Corporations saying "please, regulate us for our own good" doesn't lead to good things.
Yes, and what I'm describing doesn't quite rise to the level of regulatory capture, but is kind of like regulator capture lite.
"But the [ACLU] finds itself riven with internal tensions over whether it has stepped away from a founding principle—unwavering devotion to the First Amendment."
I'm glad to see the ACLU is moving toward the First Amendment position advocated by Reason contributor Noah Berlatsky.
#LibertariansForRethinking1A
#BringBackBerlatsky
The same politicians and crowds who complained loudly about governments telling private businesses they had to take certain pandemic-related precautions (like requiring masks) are now cheering governments telling private businesses they cannot take other pandemic-related precautions.
Thus is the back swing and follow through of government club wielding. Everyone ends up cracked on the head at some point.
... telling private businesses they cannot take other pandemic-related precautions.
Because it’s over. And it’s nobody’s business if I got the shot or not.
I agree. And any establishment asking the question will not get my business.
"Wait! Don't leave! I was just making small talk!"
The problem is we have already seen the CDC pressure cruise industries to adopt the vaccine cards. You are eopening things up to pressure to force a behavior a private business should have no business pursuing. There used to be a concept of privacy that libertarians endorsed.
The allowance for things like this is what eventually chips away to things like Chinas social credit score.
There used to be a concept of privacy that libertarians endorsed.
It's not 'used to be'. Libertarians value privacy highly.
Here's where 'used to be' goes--
Progressive mouthpiece Reason Magazine used to be controlled by libertarians.
Property rights is also something to be valued. Look, if there's government coercion of this type either way, it should be unacceptable to the liberty minded. Public accommodation laws are a bane to rights.
Having said that, this ban is one of those things that I am not going to pretend probably won't benefit society. The more states that say no to vaccine passports, the more likely that massively illiberal endgame gets stopped before it starts in earnest.
Coercion that actually protects an individuals rights should not be used with the same brush as to coercion to modify a citizens' behavior. They aren't the same. In this case all Abbot is doing is reaffirming a right of privacy to the citizen. Just like we actually applaud the bill of rights, we should applaud this action. This action does not harm a business owner in any measurable manner. Allowing business to delve into their customer's personal lives on a whim is far more harmful, especially when it can grow in a collusive manner.
If someone with Covid goes into a business and spreads it to employees or other customers that's harming a business owner.
That's why we should blood test for Aids at bathhouses and Gay bars, right?
I think we should allow the owners of establishments to make that decision. I realize that it's probably not legal under the current framework, but certainly fits within the owner's property rights.
I know you hate gays, but what do bathhouses have to do with this?
This action does not harm a business owner in any measurable manner.
Who are you or Abbott to decide that?
Remember how much Reason stood up for property rights while all that property was being destroyed during mostly peaceful protests? Yeah, me neither.
Just because Reason is inconsistent on this doesn't mean that you should be too.
I’m not. I just enjoy pointing out the hypocrisy.
They should also take BP and a1c. If those are too high you are restricted to the salad bar and no booze for you
Yeah. And ask for a complete list of medications you take. Just in case.
FL should have sued the Feds using the super precedent Roe v Wade to stop federal government's invasion of privacy.
Which is the way it ought to be, fist.
But to tell a business that they can’t require things of their customers isn’t right either.
You have freedom, they have freedom, we all have freedom. That’s the way it should work.
Once again. You can't condone anti libertarian actions under the guise of private business. Industry doesn't act in a vacuum. We have already seen the cdc attempt to influence the travel industry over these cards. Privacy should be championed by all libertarians. Requiring medical information for a market exchange unrelated to the information is a violation of privacy.
The biggest mistake libertarians made is believing only influence and power of government is corruptible. This belief leads to soft fascism.
Here abbot is just defending an individuals privacy.
My kids all had to prove they were vaccinated to attend Abbott’s schools. Where the fuck was Abbott on their privacy then?
He was nowhere, because he gives zero shits about privacy. The political zealots have decided that the right is ridiculous on the virus and the left is ridiculous on masks, so that’s how he’s got to play it. Raw meat for his brand of knuckle draggers.
""he gives zero shits about privacy. ""
Privacy has been redefined as who the law allows to see your information. Look at any legislation that has the word privacy in it.
I've never seen someone so completely misunderstand libertarianism as you do nearly every time you post here
You'd have to understand it first buddy. LOL.
How did he "misunderstand" it?
Libertarianism is a social philosophy for all walks of life. It isn't just about the American government.
Do you think the cruise industry was going to require vaxx info because freedom or the cdc could shut them down?
In any case where two sets of rights are in conflict there is going to be at least one loser. Texas has decided that instead of deciding these on a case-by-case basis they're simply going to err on the side of the individual guarding his privacy. And good for them: there's far too much safteyism in society right now anyway.
Consider it a preemption of nuisance lawsuits: neither side has a claim to having its rights unduly infringed by the other because the law has already spoken.
Perhaps there should be some liability protection against open businesses that host potentially-contagious individuals in reaction to this order. Maybe it already exists in TX, I don't know.
But there aren't rights in conflict here, properly understood. The property owner has the right to decide what goes on on his/her own property. There is no supposed other "right" to behave like a total spoiled princess and demand to go on other people's property and do whatever they feel like even against the owner's wishes.
I like how you ignore reality in order to make your arguments. We have an example in action with the cruise industry being pushed into it by CDC "guidance". Keep ignoring reality. This is why you're a sophist.
Yes, there is. The customer has a right to the privacy of his health status; this is recognized under federal law. The property owner has a right to take steps which might prevent exposing people on his property to potential COVID infection. Neither right is inherently superior to the other. There is plainly a conflict.
Gov. Greg Abbott just signed a law saying that businesses can't even ask potential customers about vaccination status.
This is such a stupid emphasis. Privacy is the very core of the conflict - masks might be pointless, but a retailer is on stronger ground requiring them than for asking for vaccine papers. That info is between me and my doctor, tyvm.
The misunderstanding is that you or anyone has a right to avail yourself of someone's private property. Rights aren't in conflict if you think of it in that sense. I realize that's a system that was broken by public accommodation laws, but let's put that aside for the moment.
You have the right to privacy. You don't have the right to privacy on my property. If you don't want to tell me the information that I require, then I should be free to ask you to leave my property. Just like if I were to require you to not wear a profane shirt or open carry a firearm in my business... I should have that right as the property owner regardless of 1A or 2A.
The customer has a right to the privacy of his health status; this is recognized under federal law.
Right, so this means that a property owner must first ask permission to know if a potential customer is vaccinated. The property owner can't, for instance, look up the potential customer's vaccination status on some database without the customer's permission. But there is no privacy violation here for a property owner to *ASK* a potential customer if he/she is vaccinated. The potential customer is free to refuse to answer, for whatever reason.
The property owner has a right to take steps which might prevent exposing people on his property to potential COVID infection.
Yes, which is simply a specific instance of the property owner exercising his/her property rights.
Neither right is inherently superior to the other.
No - the property owner is the only one here who has property rights. The non-property-owner (the customer) doesn't have the right to decide what goes on on the property.
Well put.
"And any establishment asking the question will not get my business"
The big CEOs don't give a shit anymore. They don't even care about what their shareholders think anymore. They're also so rich they don't care about money anymore either. Having $40 billion versus $80 billion isn't going to affect their lifestyle or position one iota.
For the corporate classes it's all about the aggregation of power and cementing their position within the power structures.
Cult thinking like critical theory helps with that, which is why they're pushing intersectionality and Woke.
So they don't give a shit if half the customer base votes with their feet. Their shareholders might, but they don't give a shit about them either.
Don’t forget all the money that they get from Pelosi every time there’s a tangentially related bill passed if they play along.
While I understand your sentiment, it's still a private business, on private property, and said business gets to set its own rules. Just as many restaurants have "dress codes" and don't have to serve customers who don't comply.
(Note, personally, I would be disinclined, these days, to visit a business which insisted I mask up, and I flatly refuse to patronize businesses with dress codes, and always have.)
Again. Youre ignoring the concept of privacy. The exchange of dollars for a good does not requires me giving up medical history.
Allowances for this type of behavior gives government a means to influence behaviors that should not be allowed.
Actions are not done in a vacuum. Again, see cruise industry and cdc pressure.
You can protect your privacy by not getting on the damn boat.
So your answer is to divest from entire segments of markets under government influence in order to maintain your individual privacy.
No thank you.
I don't know how universal this is, but here you cannot ask why someone needs a service dog.
For example, a friend owned a gas station with a convenience store. Someone came in with some little rat dog who would jump on the shelves and other things that make them obviously not trained service dogs. Owner bitched, customer said "They're service dogs" and so my friend asked "For what?"
She got sued. Because the law says you can't ask about a handicap.
So why the fuck do I have to PROVE anything else? Beyond the obvious privacy concerns here, which should be enough, there's no logical consistency from law to law.
That's not asking you to give up anything, JesseAz. Just insisting you wear a mask when you are on somebody else's property.
And might want to review exactly what HIPAA actually does:
"Employee and Visitor Screenings:
A Privacy Guide for US Employers Dealing with COVID-19"
https://www.bakermckenzie.com/en/insight/publications/2020/03/employer-and-visitor-screenings-a-privacy
No, Abbots order is in regards to vscxine cards, not masks.
Vaccine*
I wasn't talking about Abbot's orders, more "in general."
As an example...
Think about Operation Chokepoint where federal regulators used threats of risks to audits to stop banks and payment processors from funding gun and Marijuana businesses.
Now understand how easy it would be for the cdc to warn a bank about lending money to a business that doesn't follow their guidance. Now to get loans a business is forced to utilize these passports.
Oh, I am not fooled into thinking that certain disreputable players will use political pressure to help them gain their own ends, and that some will won't concede to their pressure. But that doesn't negate somebody else's property rights.
Property rights are not an absolute freedom. A private business owner can t shoot a customer for advertising a competitor on their shirt and then point to a sign saying no competition on these premises.
Your argument is far too simplistic.
Private companies can collude in anti market behaviors. Libertarians don't go aww shucks, can't do anything, they protest and fight the anti market collusion.
In this case stop the future collusion prior to it being a problem.
Sometimes an individuals right trumps the business. In this case it is privacy.
No, JessAz. The right of the property owner whose property you want to enter, takes precedence, in this case. Yes, there are certain types of discrimination which are illegal. This is good. These are laid out in law. There are other types of discrimination which are not illegal, such as dress codes and a whole host of other reasons, of which pissing-off the business owner is probably the most common.
Dress code and medical information are not equivalent.
Asking someone to wear a mask is not revealing any medical information, any more than asking someone to wear shoes is asking them if they have a foot fungus.
Here:
"....HIPAA ... applies to “business associates” of covered entities which generally includes any person or entity who “creates, receives, maintains, or transmits protected health information” on behalf of a covered entity.
Businesses such as restaurants and retail stores would never be considered a covered entity. Further, HIPAA only applies to covered entities with regard to their patients’ protected health information, not visitors’ health information. There is no provision in the HIPAA statute or its implementing regulations that would prohibit a business from asking an individual about a medical condition which the individual is asserting exempts them from a mask policy or law.
The Americans with Disabilities Act (“ADA”) may provide some protection from the requirements of a mask policy to the extent that the individual’s condition actually meets the definition of a “disability” pursuant to the ADA. A disabled individual may ask for a “reasonable accommodation”, for example curbside pickup instead of going into the store."
http://www.healthlawoffices.com/does-hipaa-prevent-a-business-from-asking-a-medical-question-about-exemption-from-a-face-mask-policy/
Similarly, it is perfectly legal, in most states, to ask someone if they have been vaccinated. What they cannot do is ask, "why not?" That would most likely be out-of-bounds.
Asking someone to wear a mask is not revealing any medical information
You keep retreating to this when the action in question is vaccine passports as per the article above.
Mott & Bailey FTW.
An individual's right always trumps collusive efforts of the market. In this case there is no reason for a business owner to be concerned of a customer's medical history.
Would you claim a landlord can ask for someone's entire medical history? 10 years of tax returns? That is asinine, it is not germane to the business that the proprietor is an operator for.
A business owner's "right to snoop" as you are inferring does not trump an individual's right to privacy. If there is some germane reason to the business to require it, you would be right. In this case there is no reason to ask for the medical history because I'm buying a soda.
There is nothing under HIPAA which says a business owner cannot ask if a customer has been vaccinated. If the owner then asks, "Why?" then the business owner would be out of bounds.
If you refuse to answer, which is your right, the business owner is probably obligated, under disability laws, to provide you curb-side service. AFAIK, there is no requirement for you to state the nature of your disability.
In all of your examples on this topic, your underlying assumption is that the individual has the right to access the business in question. Are you arguing for public accommodation laws?
Would you agree that a property owner should be allowed to kick anyone off of their property for any reason so long as there isn't a contract allowing access to the property?
Hi Jesse: Let's take a "real-life" example, shall we?
A local woman runs a gift shop in a town near me. Before ANY mandates, she was asking people to "mask-up."
Why? She has a compromised immune system, due to chemotherapy, and she was rather concerned about Covid. Do you think the customer's "right" outweighs hers?
Is there a particular reason you keep changing the subject from someone’s private, medical information, to masks, after repeatedly being informed we’re discussing the former?
And it’s nobody’s business if I got the shot or not.
It is if the property owner decides to make it his/her business.
Soft fascism does seem to be a favorite of yours.
Hard fascism seems to be his style, but he'll settle for the leftist totalitarianism he can get.
Now do aids or abortions
What about it?
You local grocery store is going to ask whether you've ever had an abortion before letting you shop? Not sure what American Mongrel is getting at, either.
Maybe? How would you feel?
I’d feel it was an intrusive thing to ask, and I’d feel like shopping somewhere else.
But, realistically, they would never ask this. Unlike masks there is no public health safety issue.
Live Aid sucked.
The Led Zep performance with Phil Collins was an abortion.
Did zep forget to steal a good song to play?
dude Live Aid was a blast.
Is not medical status something that normally bring up privacy concerns?
And if you think asking about vax status is an employer's right to know then there is little reason to object to drug testing, right.
Private employers should be able to do drug testing of their employees, if they think it's important. It makes sense for some types of employment.
If an employer demands that their employees get vaccinated, then that is their right to do so.
If an employer demands that their employees submit to drug tests, then that is their right to do so.
If an employer demands that their employees dance the macarena while juggling and using a hula-hoop, then that is their right to do so.
Employees are free to refuse those demands and go work elsewhere.
LOL
Wow....
This is like your cops can shoot people for trespassing spiel.
Apparently we're all supposed to pretend that these private businesses spontaneously decided to start doing all this insanity on their own, without any involvement whatsoever from the government.
That’s the crux of it, and no matter how many times it’s brought up, it’s ignored.
it seems to me that when AIDs hit the government said you can't ask if you have it, though Fauci wanted to put gold stars on the infected. I wonder how Reason feels about that government telling private business what they can't do
Bad enough that he'd tell business owners how to run their shops, but he's doing it to pander to people who are keeping the pandemic going...
Wait, what?
It's a pandermic.
Pander mic drop.
Good on Abbot, the law removes the ability for people to sue a company for not engaging in health theater. I'm so glad I'm moving back to the state.
Also, please make sure if you are going to be complaining about this that you couch all your complaints in the context that businesses that do not engage in the theater will find themselves on the wrong side of both other state's government's and the federal government's club. You don't want to be disingenuous after all.
Oh, so you like authoritarianism when it's your guy eh?
It shouldn't be the government's purview to tell a business how it should be ran. Isn't that the entirety of the libertarian ethos?
If you don't want to tell them if you're vaccinated or not, then go somewhere else. Or if you refuse to show them a card, then mask up. It's their right as a business proprietor to run it as they see fit.
I know. Protecting the privacy of an individual is the most authoritarian thing ever.
It’s their right as a business proprietor to run it as they see fit.
You have obviously never ran a business.
Oops looks like you forgot to read the second post, and as your post does not take into account that the federal government is using their powers to force businesses to take measures they would not otherwise take, it can be disregarded for refusing to look at the issue in context.
This is point of the argument that they refuse to acknowledge. Then again, some of the people in this thread are the same people that won’t acknowledge that Democrat congress members demanding tech CEO’s censer certain speech during hearings has any bearing on who gets censored by their companies.
Oh, so you like authoritarianism when it’s your guy eh?
Anything that hurts you and your allies is a net positive.
I’ve lived in Texas for 45 years. Abbott can go to hell.
He’s perfectly fine signaling to the base over the vaccine, but do we do anything at all about the massive failure of the grid? Nope. In that instance business gets to make its choice with no government pressure.
It’s almost as if Abbott prefers to expose his citizens to risk. Unfortunately the Democrats will nominate an opponent who is even more distasteful. Mcconaughey is looking better every day.
Abbott and DeSantis are trying to be the next Trump. Do nothing of substance and spend all time getting media attention virtue signaling to the base.
Do nothing of substance and spend all time getting media attention virtue signaling to the base.
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Lol!
.. to expose his citizens to risk.
Sorry dude, it’s over. Better luck next time.
Youre aware that abbot and the state government requested to the EPA a temporary waiver to generate extra electricity from fossil fuel plants prior to the freeze and were denied the waiver right?
That’s complete bullshit Jesse. The fucking hydrocarbon plants weren’t running either.
*Slaps forehead*
Why is it so hard for most political figures and their tribes to let people make their own decisions and to apply the same standards of liberty for things they personally agree with to things they don't?
Ah, the double edged sword of public accommodation.
The U.S. Supreme Court refused Monday to consider a challenge to the men-only military draft...
The men-only part, not the government servitude part.
Yep. And it really should be "challenge to the *gender-specific* draft".
Here's one real example of systemic gender discrimination. Try getting away with something like this if you are a private employer.
Hooters
I know you're quoting the article, which I think is verbatim quoting, ugh, NPR, but, Selective Service is not the Draft. It is a good example of women's entitlement & privilege, all emotion-driven 'girldad' 'arguments' made on these pages aside. Whether or not one agrees with the concept of registering, the Federal gov't has clear functions in defense and border security. For that, Congress determined the need for registering -the heart of the issue is fair treatment of the sexes. Perhaps we may soon escape the dual-edged sword of 'women & children first,' insisting that women are devoid of agency while telling them that men keep them down, earn more for the same work, all the while informing them that they can do and be anything. I don't know that Scotus was the correct forum for this decision, it isn't after all a legislative branch, but I rather doubt that the current crop of resentment culture progressives and feminists will support anything that looks like equal treatment under the law.
As I understand it, there are over 40 actual genders. Many of the "men" currently required to register will need government approved tampons if they are called to serve and they'll get knocked up by the "women" who will inevitably be required to serve as well. Maybe SCOTUS just didn't want to step into a big pile of shit.
"I don’t know that Scotus was the correct forum for this decision, it isn’t after all a legislative branch..."
That's exactly why the case was rejected.
In Texas, Gov. Greg Abbott just signed a law saying that businesses can't even ask potential customers about vaccination status.
I'm waiting for a private business that asks customers to wash hands after using the restrooms. Too many people were obviously not raised to do so and it didn't take even after COVID-19 struck.
You don’t get Covid from a couple drops of piss on your hands.
If you're peeing on your hands when you go to the bathroom, you're doing it wrong.
If you're doing it right, the drops of piss should bounce onto your shoes.
No matter how much you shake and dance,
the last two drops go in your pants.
Moises Alou on line 2
https://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=neel_hruby/040511
I had a friend in high school who used to soak his hand in pickle juice so he could get more bite on his breaking balls.
For what it’s worth my wife was in a restroom with Jane Fonda once. Ms Fonda does not wash her hands after using the restroom.
That’s a lie. Celebrities don’t use restrooms.
Ms. Fonda seems like she would be of the opinion that her shit don't stink. And her pee is precious.
I'm told that Chris Matthews has horrifying urinal etiquette.
And I'm just going to assume Gwyneth Paltrow is worse than Jane Fonda or Chris Matthews.
Goop!
Barbarella? I'm still in.
The Court also rejected a challenge to vaping regulations.
Since the justices are unelected, maybe the cases they must consider should be voted by the public instead.
Harris interview yesterday.
“Do you have any plans to visit the border?” Holt asked.
“At some point, you know, we are going to the border, we’ve been to the border,” Harris claimed. “So this whole, this whole, this whole thing about the border. We’ve been to the border. We’ve been to the border.”
“You haven’t been to the border,” Holt responded.
“And I haven’t been to Europe,” Harris responded.
Hot off the heels of the Guatemalan president blaming Biden for the border crisis.
You forgot the part where Harris started cackling after she said she hadn't been to Europe.
She'd been doing a pretty good job keeping that horrifying cackle under control. To be sure, no one had asked her a difficult question in quite some time, so that defense mechanism hasn't had to kick in much recently.
Her performance boosts my confidence that she won't be elected President in 2024. Assuming, of course, that 10 year olds, and the dead, don't get to vote, nor do truck loads of mail in ballots with 95% Harris votes suddenly show up in Purple States.
2024 elections will be done by a Facebook algorithm, with the results announced two days before the old election day. Technology can speed things up, and give a sure and fair result.
Shes the most popular VP of all time.
Even the Biden folks think she's horrible, which is why, I contend, that they threw the border and voting issues to her.
Biden will support her candidacy with every bit as much vigor and enthusiasm as Obama did for him. I can't imagine that there won't be a dozen democrats running in the primary against her. Assuming that she hasn't ascended to the presidency by then, she will not be considered to be the head/face of the Democratic party.
“At some point, you know, we are going to the border, we’ve been to the border,” Harris claimed. “So this whole, this whole, this whole thing about the border. We’ve been to the border. We’ve been to the border.”
Is she channeling droolin' Joe?
80 million votes!
Her idiocy is completely her own.
Apparently it’s a good thing that the FDA approved the anti-Alzheimer’s drug.
Coincidence?
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has approved a new Alzheimer's treatment.
Is it the Pfizer shot or the Moderna shot?
It's the Bezos shot.
Speaking of Bezos, he's about to become a steely-eyed missile man:
https://www.space.com/jeff-bezos-blue-origin-first-passenger-spaceflight
I think his worst pr move for that was having the first pilot be "major Tom"
I don't think most people know what the song is about. To most, it's just that David Bowie space song.
Why is it so hard for most political figures and their tribes to let people make their own decisions and to apply the same standards of liberty for things they personally agree with to things they don't?
Would-be refugees get a kinder, gentler stay-the-fuck-out from the Biden administration...
Cue the BLM-LGBT+ peace sign adorned bomber jpg.
Last year Colorado revised their covid each count down 30%. Earlier this year the government revised child covid deaths down 40%. Now a county in California decided to take a look and revised their covid death toll down 25%.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/ca-county-cuts-covid-death-toll-by-25-after-reevaluation-deaths-clearly-not-caused-by-virus
But keep panicking.
In instances where the offender possesses up to that amount, they will be fined no more than $100.
Phew. I was worried the state wouldn't still get paid.
Almost makes it not worth the hassle of the paperwork. Almost.
- LA Police Union.
One of the most popular pages on Facebook was a pro Isreal prayer page. During the last Hamasaki bombing the page was flooded with millions of anti Semitic comments such as death to Jews and a call for a new holocaust. Facebook quickly took action... by deleting the page.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/popular-pro-israel-prayer-group-still-under-permanent-facebook-ban-after-it-was-targeted-with-hate-comments
Now before the "muh private business" idiots start... the page had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on advertisements for the page per the group spokesman. Removing the page for the actions of others is probably not in their ToS rules. Not refunding the money spent to boost the page is likely a violation of contract.
Autocorrect is censoring Hamas. What a weird autocorrect.
I don't see anything odd happening when I type "Hamas". Perhaps it's your browser or device? Anyhow, autocorrect's dictionary cannot include all the millions of proper nouns, and if you use one that is not in the dictionary, it will flag it as a spelling error and try to change it to a word that it does know. That's not censorship.
I think Kamala Harris forgot to wink and nod as she was saying don't come.
"Don't come. But if you do we'll let you in, take care of you while you wait to be processed, turn you loose after that to wait for your asylum hearing, rubber stamp that approval and then you're in permanently. But don't come."
Don’t come? Why did I bother taking off my pants?
(Puts envelope to forehead) Don't come.
(Opens envelope) What is the advice Kamala Harris gave to both Guatemalans and Willie Brown?
(Puts envelope to forehead) Lassie, Rin Tin Tin, Kween Kamala.
(Opens envelope) Name two movie stars and a dog.
+ Funny!
Tom Elliott
@tomselliott
NYT/MSNBC’s
@MaraGay
: In Long Island last weekend, I saw “dozens of American flags,” which was “just disturbing”
https://mobile.twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1402218237048279041
American flags in America? Crazy.
“Essentially the message was clear: ‘This is my country. This is not your country. I own this.’"
That's right, we are on different sides. That's why you and your allies are constantly crying about "divisiveness" when you don't get your way.
You're not a fellow American. You don't even like this country.
You're the enemy. And like ancient Rome, it's simply a matter of time before that conflict turns hot. The only question is whether it lasts years or decades.
Team Blue likes this country so much they want to change it into another country.
Team Red likes this country so much that they ignore the parts that they don't like.
More stupidity from Jeff.
Team Red likes this country so much that they ignore the parts that they don’t like.
"If you don't believe that everything the US did was evil, you're not a real patriot!"
Yes. Only one of these things is bad, Jeff.
And it's not the one about ignoring.
They're both bad. Take your Team Red shilling elsewhere.
Ignoring behavior you don’t like is bad?
Ignoring people means that you are not pandering to them. A big no-no for a radical individualist like Jeff.
Depends on what exactly you mean. If one takes the constrained view of things, one must accept that there will always be things you don't like and that people will make choices and decisions that you disagree with.
“radical individualist”
Team Blue likes this country so much they want to change it into another country.
Changing the country means you DON"T like the country.
I know. I was being sarcastic.
“just disturbing”
OMG. LOL.
"I believe if you come to our border, you will be turned back."
"To be fair, though, I also believe we can deficit-spend trillions of dollars with impunity."
Well, maybe there is hope after all. The Qanon crowd is starting to realize that maybe it was a grift all along.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/qanon-at-a-crossroads-as-leaders-try-to-rein-in-the-crazy
Daily beast
Qanon “leaders”
LOL at the gullibility.
Jeff doesn't realize he is BlueAnon
Hmm, twenty-five, fifty years from now is QAnon going to turn into an official, tax-sheltered church?
China has been deliberately destroying evidence regarding the covid issue.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-cause-china-research-evidence-destroyed-a9495856.html
This on top of the media being supplicant to a single source disputing the lab leak hypothesis for Fauci and the media by the name of Peter Daszak.
Fauci is guilty as sin.
He should be hung upside down from the Washington monument and used as a pinata.
Nat Hentoff, nearly 30 years ago in Free Speech For Me But Not For Thee, lashed the ACLU for backing away from the defense of the Skokie Nazis when it cost them too much in terms of donors and donations. The defense of free speech was not a hill the ACLU was willing to die on and once they admitted that their survival as an organization was more important than the principles they were founded on, well, "now we're just haggling over the price", as they say.
Good book.
J.D. Tuccille
@JD_Tuccille
Why not let businesses set their own rules and encourage customers to make their own decisions as to which establishments to visit? That's how free societies work.
Hey Tucci... the business can still require masks. No business should be able to demand private medical information. That's not a libertarian take.
So private schools should be banned from requesting vaccination records from prospective students?
It is darkly amusing to see how much the modern right has started to turn against private property rights.
Not as funny as you suddenly being in favor of presenting medical records to wolf down your next step to appearing in My 600-Pound Life, while whining that waddling into the DMV to get an ID is too onerous.
When you have nothing but personal insults, that says something.
That's about the best your lefty-boo simping deserves.
You offer no substantive arguments ever.
He made fun of one of your previous dumb takes at the same time though, so it was pretty clever.
dr. nowzardan is awesome.
First, schools should require the covid vaccine nor the flu vaccine.
Second a temporary exchange of cash for goods isnt the same as a 9 month 8 hour a day engagement of people.
The fact you had to go that for for an example where it may be valid is amusing.
How about measles? Can they require that vaccine? Abbott’s public universities do.
Most families can get waivers of they choose. But covid is not the measles.
So it is a dumb question.
The fact is you want an individuals privacy to be subservient to government and business collusion.
See above for the example with the cruise industry or operation choke point.
No they can’t. Texas requires vaccination for all levels of school including college.
What a massive invasion of privacy? Why aren’t you out rioting about that?
Because Jesse doesn't have a coherent set of principles, only "oppose whatever Team Blue is doing using whatever convenient rationale is available to him at the moment".
Except when it is their team, like the McCloskeys wielding guns to protect their front lawn or a 17-year-old wielding a gun, uninvited, to protect someone else's used auto dealership in Kenosha.
So, a remote chance of catching a virus from someone who may or may not be infected is the same thing as defending yourself from agitated protesters who came to your neighborhood specifically to harass you, and antifa assholes chasing you?
This equivalence made sense to you?
Haha. Ok, karen.
Yes.
What about dress codes at schools? Should private schools be banned from requiring uniforms?
No.
What about making up a political philosophy on the spot in an ad-hoc manner? Is that okay?
Clothing is not a matter of medical privacy. Many professions require uniforms.
Oh, so only *medical* privacy matters now? Other types of privacy don't matter?
Only in the sense that is what we are currently discussing.
What’s private about your clothing? Or is there an underwear uniform at some school I’m not aware of? Because, yes, that would be wrong.
Fucking idiot.
Is there an underwear uniform at some school? Maybe only at Mormon seminaries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment
if you make it up on the spot, it is not a philosophy.
ding ding ding
This is truly Toddler Libertarianism.
"You can't tell me what to do!"
Lol. You have taken a purely sophist simplistic belief while ignoring individual privacy. Then accuse others of being toddlers.
Shut up jake
How do you feel about voter ID, Jacob?
Who the fuck is Jacob?
It's a convenient way to identify people but using ids shouldn't preclude those without ids from filling out affidavits so they can vote.
LOL, don't act like you didn't powerlevel yourself last week, Jacob:
grrizzly
June.4.2021 at 10:13 pm
Sullum, don’t ever stop wearing your mask in order to protect your sickly wife. I was practically never wearing one in the last 14 months, let alone now. And I will not get vaccinated. Stay scared.
It’s a convenient way to identify people but using ids shouldn’t preclude those without ids from filling out affidavits so they can vote.
So, you have a double standard. Got it.
In response to grizz's comment, which was an OP:
Lord of Strazele
June.5.2021 at 7:32 am
You’re confused if you think I give a shit about you.
And poof, he's gone.
Lol. Poor Jacob thought we’d forget. Never gonna happen strudel!
Hey sullum.
So are you against Oregon's rule of making businesses ask or mask?
No business should be able to demand private medical information.
"Ah, but we're demanding *public health* information."
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“”“Ah, but we’re demanding *public health* information.”””
The new term is population health. And it’s your medical record. The push is to have all of your medical information in something like a Regional Health Information Organization (RHIO). Or a network like CareEquality or CommonWell.
https://healthix.org/
https://carequality.org/
https://www.commonwellalliance.org/
They're not demanding shit. Same as complying with a dress code isn't "demanding" anything.
If you want in, play by the rules set forth. If you choose not to, then go somewhere else. You're free to give your info or not and they're free to tell you to go fuck yourself if you don't comply with rules, same as any other business rule throughout history.
I'm with chemjeff- amazing how the right is so against private businesses asserting their rights now.
It's only a matter of time until we see Jesse et al. start chanting "property is theft!"
Lol. God damn you are sad and pathetic. You've already admitted you're a fan of fascism where the government influences people through corporations. This is another example.
Please advocate for Chinas social credit systems next.
How the fuck is a cruise line requiring vaccination influence from the government? You’re making shit up.
The cdc will not allow them to sail until they made the requirements. The cruise lines didn’t do it because freedom.
Do you see how that could be a problem?
It is amazing watching people ignore documented behaviors on this topic.
Bullshit. They’ve decided to sail without the requirement with no interference from anyone. So your cdc assertion is just made up.
https://reason.com/2021/05/28/ron-desantis-threatens-to-capsize-cruise-ship-industry-if-they-require-vaccinations/
Ignorance is not a good debate technique.
I'm sorry, but you seem to be ignorant on this topic. The only reason the cruise line was going to require vaccination passports was the CDC told thrm they would have to run multiple free test cruises to prove trips without the requirements would be safe. This would have cost the industry millions of dollars to get people on free test cruises and paying employees. Are you not aware of this?
And it's unlikely those free test cruises would have come out COVID-free so the cruise lines would have still ended up requiring proof of vaccination. Cruise ships have always been incubators for noravirus and other diseases.
It's a new CDC rule:
https://reason.com/2021/05/28/ron-desantis-threatens-to-capsize-cruise-ship-industry-if-they-require-vaccinations/
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) says 95 percent of passengers must be vaccinated for cruise ships to sail again without certain restrictions. But Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said requiring any passenger vaccinations 'violates the spirit' of his executive order forbidding vaccine passports and of a recently passed Florida law banning vaccine passports set to take effect July 1."
Do you remember when even fake libertarians such as yourself were against papers please type laws? For example requiring immigrants to carry their visas on them at all times?
Apparently all of the fake libertarians here have completely ignored an individual right to privacy.
Simplistic thinking by sophists is why the big L party is a failure.
They also ignored 50 years of Biden pushing for big Gov, and a few decades of kamala falsifying evidence, and using her political position to go after political opponents
I guess it's just my Baby Boomer generation, but we all learned from watching TV and movie Westerns that when you walk into a saloon that has a rule about checking your gun at the door, you check your gun at the door -- or you don't come in.
""They’re not demanding shit. Same as complying with a dress code isn’t “demanding” anything.""
They are demanding that I wear X in order to enter.
Well here we go. The right-wing alternative to critical race theory and the 1619 project: It's the 1836 project and "patriotic education".
https://www.kltv.com/2021/06/07/governor-greg-abbott-signs-laws-including-promoting-patriotic-education/
I wonder if "patriotic education" will include telling the full story of the connection between slavery and Texas' independence from Mexico.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/being-texan/how-leaders-texas-revolution-fought-preserve-slavery/
I think that lesson is two days after reviewing how many "native americans" owned slaves, and how many slaves were owned by blacks.
Notice what future heart attack victim chemtard omitted from the link he posted:
Promote awareness among Texas residents of the following as they relate to the history of prosperity and democratic freedom in Texas:
Texas history, including the indigenous peoples of Texas, the Spanish and Mexican heritage of Texas, Tejanos, the Texas War for Independence, annexation of Texas by the United States, and Juneteenth;
The founding documents of Texas:
The founders of Texas; and
State civics;
Nothing really here to object to, but introduce the word "patriotism" and his triggers go into DEFCON 1 from the screeching of his lefty boos.
how many slaves were owned by blacks.
Weren't all black slaves enslaved by other blacks in Africa before being sold to the slave traders?
Show me a civilization (at least 300 years old) that hasn't had slavery in its background.
If it's one thing that fatass liberaltarians hate, it's patriotism.
Patriotism is fine, as long as it is not used as a pretext to whitewash history. Look at the Texas Monthly article that I posted. Predictably, some reactionary nutjob decided to comment to the article that the article was "anti-Texas". As if being "pro-Texas" was to only believe in the good parts and ignore the bad parts. That is the poisonous fruit of patriotism when it is used as a substitute for rational thinking.
Patriotism is fine, as long as it is not used as a pretext to whitewash history.
Posted once again, since your fat is apparently causing glaucoma:
Promote awareness among Texas residents of the following as they relate to the history of prosperity and democratic freedom in Texas:
Texas history, including the indigenous peoples of Texas, the Spanish and Mexican heritage of Texas, Tejanos, the Texas War for Independence, annexation of Texas by the United States, and Juneteenth;
The founding documents of Texas:
The founders of Texas; and
State civics;
But all that aside, rejecting dialectical approaches to history and refusing to sponsor its own subversion should be the standard of any state entity invested in its own survival.
Look at the Texas Monthly article that I posted.
"Well, that's certainly, the anti-1836 Project's take on things."
Texas Monthly is a far-left liberal rag out of Austin, and their "reporting" is about as objective as MSNBC's.
So factual accuracy about the cause of the Texas Revolution in the State of Texas....but the causes of the American Revolution can be determined by however Nikole Hannah-Jones feels about them for the rest of America?
The 1619 Project is "truth" without the need of facts. Or maybe just enough facts so that no once can call it fiction.
Let's have factual accuracy there too. But that means treating historical figures *as they really existed*, and not as the hagiographies pretending to be American history would like them to be.
This critique hasn't had any sort of validity for about 50 years.
I’m sorry you were obviously poorly educated about history. Maybe you should move back to where you went to school and help that school district update their curriculum? Because when I was learning history 30 years ago, the only person that was deified was FDR and his New Deal.
Really. So you learned about the Tulsa Race Massacre? You learned that Texas fought a war of independence against Mexico, in part, in order to protect their slaves? You learned that Jefferson had a fling with Sally Hemings? In highschool? Huh.
No, yes, and yes. Being taught that everything in American history wasn’t good =\= being taught everything bad that ever happened.
I also was taught about the Tuskegee Airmen.
And actually, now that I’m thinking about it, I’m pretty sure I was taught about Sally Hemings in middle school.
chemtard must have gone to school in the 50s, because every single one of my history teachers in the 80s and 90s were New Leftists who couldn't talk enough about all the bad shit that white people and the US did. My AP US History teacher actually required us to do a full-length research paper on a "non-white" historical topic in the American west.
This idea that US history is taught in a jingoistic fashion is, to be blunt, a straight-up lie
Lying Jeffy never saw the movie “Dazed and Confused”.
This movie is almost 30 years old, and this scene is making fun of teachers from 20 years before that.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8lMOL7GaPWI
Lying Jeffy really plays up the ignorant card.
What's truly pathetic here is that it's crushingly obvious he's getting all these links from left-wing news aggregators or internet behavioral sinks like reddit. That he'd unironically make the argument that US history classes in The Current Year or the last 50-odd years were some misinformational font of rah-rah flag-waving shows just how socially maladapted and hopelessly distorted his worldview actually is.
How much do you want to bet that chrmjedf radical deathday didn't learn that blacks and Indians owned slaves, or that the radical left has bombed Congress?
Raceracersceracerace.
JFC, dude. Is that all there is?
I don’t know if you’re fat or not, but you’re boring.
Where on that project does it demand people see others by immutable characteristics and demonize a group for their ancestors?
If you’re going to cede fact-based history to subjective interpretation, you shouldn’t be surprised to discover multiple subjective interpretations.
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1402238727347490820?s=19
JUST IN - Vendor that runs the constituent services platform for many of US House offices hit by a ransomware attack (Punchbowl News)
ENB hates actual policing, you know investigating, finding perps, gathering evidence, etc. Fucking liberaltarians lost their way and are groping for something anything.
I don’t know if you were around back a few years when she fabricated a story that she was detained by the Secret Service and the cops at the republican national convention. It was sone of the most ridiculous, cockamamie “content” that has ever appeared here.
But she can’t help herself though; she’s a straight-up compulsive, pathological liar.
I thought we were libertarians here. Drugs shouldn't even be illegal.
It struck me odd that ENB sounded upset that the FBI encryption sting was successful enough, she sounds as if she would be happier if it led to more arrests and seized property. Granted she is the greatest libritarian mat Welch knows
That’s not what she is saying at all. She is saying it was a bunch of expensive, intrusive government activity, touted as a huge success by the FBI, which didn’t actually accomplish anything in proportion to how much it cost, how much effort was expended, and how much the FBI is talking it up.
https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1401829497301786629?s=19
There are people who STILL believe that all these authoritarian, illogical, anti-scientific measures are simply Daddy Government trying to protect them from a lethal virus. ????
It's truly embarrassing at this point.
There are several dead giveaways that this is primarily about control and money, rather than public health and wellbeing.
If you haven't clocked this yet, then you deserve to be subjugated. ????
But the rest of us don't.
A few giveaways:
- suppression of cheap, effective treatments
- absence of widespread antibody testing
- push for ongoing PCR tests + masking, even for immune
- only private PCR tests accepted for travel
- no immunity test prior to vaxx
- push to vaxx the immune & ultra low risk
- curfews, outdoor mask mandates, and other arbitrary, unscientific 'rules'
- tons of irrational international travel rules to make it expensive, confusing, and painful
- expensive 'quarantine hotel' packages
- intentionally vague and fear inducing communication
+ more
Wake up.
Lol. I didn't even mention that they shut the gyms (even outdoor ones) for months on end...
When there was no evidence that gyms were a major source of transmission...
For a virus that primarily kills overweight people...
You can't make it up.
If you travel abroad, you're supposed to quarantine upon return, even after you've taken 2-4 tests that all show a negative result (these tests cost ~£100 each).
How is that logical, unless it's just about money and control?
It's not. And you know it.
Imagine what a snowflake you must be when this is "oppression" and about "control."
I'm pretty sure you need to go live in the woods somewhere and disconnect entirely. It's not good for your health.
Bootlicker.
Sociopath.
Toddler.
Idiot.
I know as a radical statist you think totalitarian control over people lives including weather or not they can go outside or see family is okay by your standards, but libritarians don't think the government should have that power, or have the power to force companies to act as quai government agents
How sad that Jeffy’s gone full shitlunches?
None of you have any semblance of a coherent philosophy with regards to the role of the state in the event of a pandemic. It is all just reactionary posturing and emoting.
"The government is making me wear a mask? I refuse! I won't let the government tell me how to run my life!"
"The government is forcing businesses to accept everyone, regardless of vaccination status? Good for them! The government SHOULD tell them how to run their lives!"
This is just Toddler Libertarianism. "You can't tell ME what to do!" It is not coherent nor defensible, just reactionary and emotional.
"None of you have any semblance of a coherent philosophy with regards to the role of the state in the event of a pandemic. It is all just reactionary posturing and emoting..."
Why is it that TDS-addled lefty assholes can't post without lying?
None of you have any semblance of a coherent philosophy with regards to the role of the state in the event of a pandemic.
Absolutely do. They have no role. They certainly failed this time.
“You can’t tell ME what to do!” It is not coherent nor defensible, just reactionary and emotional.
Um, Give me Liberty or Give me Death! was a cry of one of our greatest Revolutionary heroes. Don't Tread on Me was an 18th C meme. No Taxation without Representation was (and is) a push back against controlling government.
Apparently you are weak in American history.
"Um, Give me Liberty or Give me Death!.."
To sarcasmic, it's 'mother may I?' all day long.
'Scuse me; jeff. Can't tell 'em apart.
Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, the revolutionaries of the time, they understood what liberty was, and it was not toddler-level I DON'T WANNA. They read their Locke and their Hume.
Gee, what’s a huge drop in employment for over a year imposed by authoritarian regimes compared to someone freely thinking men and women are different?
Controlling people's behavior to reduce the spread of a virus is still control.
Zuby's a Brit, so a little local flavor: https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/06/adventures-in-coronavirus-bureaucracy/
Monty Python lives.
Yes, Nardz. The response to the Covid virus was a giant worldwide conspiracy deliberately intended to inflict dictatorial control on everyone merely using this virus as a pretext. We know this must be the case because it sounds exactly like the plot of a B-rated movie.
It is also exactly what happened, and continues.
Sure, right. "Oh look, here's this virus. Now's our chance to seize total control! MWAHAHA!" Do you even realize how cartoonishly absurd your conspiracy theories sound?
Now do corporations.
They're not cartoon villains either.
Jack Dorsey is.
Corporations should be able to boot Neo-Nazis and morons from their digital presence.
Is that before or after they're Nationalized by Socialists?
Government unilaterally decided who was essential and who was not and shut down business and people's movements accordingly.
Government decided who and what was essential to society. That's a shitload of control.
" In Chinese, Crisis = Opportunity"
"Dobt let a crisis go to waste"
"Build Back Better"
Oh look, here’s this virus. Now’s our chance to seize total control!
No, it's more like: "We gotta do something - we don't want to get blamed for even one death. What if we stop people from congregating? - Great idea, maybe mandate mask-wearing as well."
"But that's immoral, unconstitutional, and won't work!"
"We gotta do something!"
The rest is history.
Pay no attention to the 30% -40% downward adjustment of death tolls.
What are you even talking about.
Another uninformed person.
It’s one of his go to moves.
chemjeff, you got the paranoid narrative wrong. It wasn't a response to COVID-19; the virus was specifically engineered and released to enable the lockdowns and the undermining of Trump.
Hey, you forgot about the nanobots in the vaccine! You’re garbage Dee, pure garbage.
>>giant worldwide conspiracy
a grabbed opportunity.
No, likeminded statists saw this as an opportunity to massage their fantasies for massive top-down policy-making, using it as an opportunity to implement all kinds of policies only tangentially related to COVID (see state policies for ending lockdowns only after "equity" in economic areas had been achieved, etc). It didn't have to be a "conspiracy", it was merely a massive spasm by likeminded individuals which have been taking over our institutions over the last 40 to 50 years.
So-called libertarian magazines couldn't muster their collective spheres to loudly oppose lockdowns, mask mandates and dozens of other top-down controls which stripped millions of people of their livelihoods, but finally show the moxxy to screech about individual choice when some far-flung local lawmaker tries to pass a law saying you CAN'T mandate such things.
Yes, the latter is a valid libertarian criticism, but in the complete absence of the former criticism, it becomes clear what the priorities are.
Jeff has no problem with the LA teachers union demanding less charter schools in return for opening schools. It’s just a right wing problem!
"For a virus that primarily kills overweight people"
Im not sure how true this is. 75% of americans are overweight or obese. That doesnt make the 78% of covid deaths stat as interesting as it initially sounds.
You know what I find more interesting? The # of east asians that have died compared to every other demographic. Im not just talking china. Last time I checked, NYC had more deaths than China, Japan, Korea, Indonesia, Phillipines and vietnam combined. Only 8% of deaths worldwide have been in all asians, and that is with India jacking up the count.
I should probably check the stats for samoa, since theyre the fattest country on earth and asian.
Another useless (to youze) anecdote which makes me suspect bioweapon even more, is that I know two chinese/white couples that the white spouse tested positive for covid, yet their chinese spouses didnt.
You know what I find more interesting? The # of east asians that have died compared to every other demographic. Im not just talking china. Last time I checked, NYC had more deaths than China, Japan, Korea, Indonesia, Phillipines and vietnam combined. Only 8% of deaths worldwide have been in all asians, and that is with India jacking up the count.
NJ's demographic death stats here are also disproportionately non-Asian. But that may have more to do with Asians' greater likelihood being germophobic and rule-following knowledge workers than anything else.
The Asian exception has been attributed to the use of anti-malarial drugs. If even 30 or 40% of the people were using these it would severely reduce the spread of the disease and allow others to respond appropriately. Not sure if those drugs are really effective, however.
Nardz, these are all just the actions of ignorant, irrational assholes trying to do something ANYTHING to keep from being blamed for even one death. They had some power, so they used it. Think FDR throwing any old shit up against the wall and hoping something works (and we having to live with such shit)
Back during the passage of Proposition 8 in California (2008), which banned gay marriage in the state, there was a lot of hand-wringing among progressives about black and Latino attitudes towards gay marriage. Regardless of whether Proposition 8 would have passed without the increased turnout from those groups, the fact was that they were more culturally conservative on the issue of gay marriage than the average Californian. Ultimately, the local progressives decided to blame it all on "breeders" and Mormon money from outside the state (like they were the Russians interfering in the 2016 election), but the question remained--what are social justice warriors to do about unwoke blacks and Latinos?
That issue of unwoke minorities hasn't gone away.
"The CONCACAF Nations League final in Denver between the United States and Mexico was marred by unruly fan behavior that included objects thrown onto the field and a brief pause in the game because of fans using an anti-gay chant.
The pause occurred during the final moments of the second half before the game went to extra time in the U.S. men's national team's 3-2 win. Referee John Pitti resumed the match after three minutes as players on both sides pleaded with the crowd to stop using the chant.
The controversial chant is used by some fans at Mexico national team and Liga MX games -- as well as in other Latin American countries -- and is aimed towards opposition goalkeepers as they are running up to take goal kicks."
----ESPN
https://www.espn.com/soccer/concacaf-nations-league/story/4401690/usmnt-mexico-nations-league-final-halted-for-anti-gay-chant-by-fans
I've attended soccer games in Mexico at big stadiums and small. When they introduced the visiting team's players, one by one, the fans typically scream the same slur for a homosexual at them in unison. I've seen the chant against goalies they're talking about here. This isn't something Mexican fans do when they get out of control. This is what Mexican fans do. I think this raises questions about whether speech codes might prove to be inherently racist. If the people who are most likely to be impacted by any given official policy are minorities, hasn't that always meant the policy was racist in the past?
I went to an ATL United game a few years ago, at GA Tech stadium before MBS opened, and was in a section behind one of the goals which was predominantly Hispanic.
Following their lead, every opponent goal kick was preceded by the crowd chanting "oooooooooooooh-PUTO" as he booted it.
ATL won 4-2
It may be an aspect of the culture of Latin America that social justice warriors don't like, but it does appear to be part of the culture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machismo
We're talking about discriminating against them with speech codes because of their culture. What are progressives going to say? It's okay to be a part of that culture, so long as you don't express it publicly?
That's racist AF.
I’ve always thought that progressive identity obsession would come into conflict when their victim groups turned out to be not so united against the oppressers.
They’ve managed to ignore that quite well so far.
Back when I was into the whole black panther thing, woke had an entirely different practical meaning.
It was more of "open your eyes to the fact that white democrats are just as racist as old fashioned racists". These people I hung around with were very socially conservative and spent a lot of time trying to get black kids out of gangs, promoting religion, promoting personal accountability, rebuilding the black family, etc.
I can kinda understand how the message I put in quotes above, morphed into "all whites are racist", and that faction was always there. But the movement was more about helping the black community and proving that we could do it on our own.
Even amongst the larger NoI/BHI/African Medallion/BP movement, progressive socialism wasnt a goal and anti white hate was the fringe.
Im unbelievably disappointed in how socialism has roped in the black empowerment movement over the last 15 years.
There were black power movements built on personal responsibility, hard work, self-reliant entrepreneurship, etc. going back to Marcus Garvey, Ibrahima Fall, and Booker T. Washington.
When I look at progressives today, I see a lot of similarities to the way Conrad criticized the well-intended progressives of his day in Heart of Darkness, who were financing wholesale horrors in colonial Africa in the name of abolitionism. but then I also see the same kind of problems with progressives like the one Echebe was criticizing in Things Fall Apart, who seem to imagine Africans needed white progressives in the west to save them from imperialism, too.
The legitimate purpose of government is to protect our right to make choices for ourselves. Apart from that, we're the solution to our own problems--and I think that's true for everybody. The horrifying truth is that even if we aren't the cause of all of our own problems, we're the solution to them, and we need to be free to do what's in our best interest from our perspectives, black/white, rich poor, American/foreign, we're all in the same boat in that regard.
White wealthy people with a lot of free time and a lot of discretionary income always seem to have big ideas about how to fix other people's problems for them, and it always ends in tears--whether it's British imperialism, Americans in Vietnam, or soccer moms pushing hard for the drug war. God save us all from white, wealthy people who have the free time and the money to sit around thinking about how to use the government to solve other people's problems.
It's unfortunate how they got roped in, because they are just useful idiots for the socialist cause.
It's not difficult to see how it happened. Socialism relies on class struggle- powerful oppressing the powerless- and black Americans HAVE suffered legacy effects of institutional racism, like housing discrimination and economic redlining (which I think has been the single most destructive and harmful policy for black Americans). That situation makes black Americans particularly vulnerable to socialist messaging.
The tragedy is, though, that the socialists are NEVER going to let black Americans as a cohort have any more power than they currently do. They'll pick a few Barracks and Kamalas, and put them out front, but black people aren't going to be elevated by socialism. Everyone else is going to be dragged down to the same level of poverty that exists in many urban, black communities- including the black Americans who didn't buy the socialist bullshit and managed to be siccessful in spite of those legacy inequalities.
Hey the socialist paradise of Cuba has a black politition! See socialism isn't racist
I suspect there were two sets of the message. X definitely always had it that the white liberals were one of, if not the greatest threat to Black communities. Some of his contemporaries, Farrakhan, say, definitely believed, or spun that message into all white folks are racist. I tend to think, based on outcome, and behavior that Malcolm X was spot on. White liberals, leftists, progressives, socialists tend to be racist as fuck, as are their policies and laws. Ditto sexism, homophobia, the entire range of 'hate' for other groups. Non-white progressives, also capable of racism, et cetera. There are certainly exceptions, but as far as policy and law, very few that the DNC/progressives/Left is proud of have not turned out to be terrible for minorities.
"Back during the passage of Proposition 8 in California (2008), which banned gay marriage in the state, there was a lot of hand-wringing among progressives about black and Latino attitudes towards gay marriage."
More than the hand wringing among progressives, I saw a lot of trying to ignore it and pretend it wasn't happening.
Why is this such a big deal? Like you (and the article) said, this has always been going on. Who on the USMNT is gay? If nobody, then why should it matter in the slightest? Grow some scales, you pussies.
Related: https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/06/03/three-cheers-for-the-booing-england-fans/
Yup. The woke know that they’re making things worse, but virtue signaling feels so good.
Latinx.
https://twitter.com/Malcolm_fleX48/status/1402255701284687880?s=19
It's funny because if Kamala would have been to the Border, she at least would have gotten a better welcome than she got at Guatemala.
How bad is it when Lester Holt begins to question a national level Democrat? [Link]
But the rank and file Donkeys love Kamala, that's why she almost won the nomination.
Oh, wait....
A governor is using covid policy to tell businesses how to run their shops! When did this starrt?
To the Libertymobile, Reason!
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1402259693913972737?s=19
i like how the red salute is a core component of the messaging
lol communism [link]
https://twitter.com/WhitlockJason/status/1402234408120238080?s=19
China-influenced journalism: Describe one of the most complex issues in American history in 6 words. The request guarantees a lack of substance. The people who would respond to this type request are devoid of substance. Dumb question invites dumb people. #Pulitzer
"@NatGeo
Ten years ago, @michele_norris launched the Race Card Project, which asks people to describe their feelings on race in just 6 words. She thought few would respond. Here are some of the responses—out of half a million so far—that she’s received. [Link]"
For the first half of my married life, I received a subscription to National Geographic from my MIL for Christmas every year. About five years ago I told her to stop, because it was turning into pure progressive propaganda (it always leaned left, but was interesting enough). That was after I stopped subscribing to Reason, fwiw.
@NatGeo
"I'm ashamed for my ancestors' race."
#metoo
Best response:
Her ancestors are ashamed of her as well
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1402270499703509004?s=19
BREAKING: CCP imposes police lockdown of Nanjing Normal University after student protests [video]
That is a great vector for attacking the CCP's ruling class. Chinese society has some gigantic cracks in it that the CCP leadership can barely paper over.
A national defense establishment that was actually concerned about thwarting its nation's enemies---which the CCP (as distinguished from the Chinese people, Mainlander assholeness aside) absolutely is---might start trying to exploit and wedge apart those cracks.
As Xi et al become increasingly paranoid (as all ruthless dictators do), he will do more and more that enrages the public. It seems unlikely, nevertheless, that the public or the military will rise up and throw the bums out. Xi has too many tools to find and disappear his most ardent opponents.
https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1402250916754034695?s=19
Who the hell would think it represented black people? Who on earth are they pandering to here? CLOWN WORLD. [Link]
Racists would think that
>>pander to people who are keeping the pandemic going," tweeted conservative blogger and editor Allahpundit.
lol oooh Allahpundit speaks. hey fuck you Karen stay inside.
Newly unsealed court documents show that the federal law enforcement agency for years ran an encrypted communications service called Anom.
But did it comply with Section 230?
No, because it didn't moderate anything.
Why is it so hard for most political figures and their tribes to let people make their own decisions and to apply the same standards of liberty for things they personally agree with to things they don't?
I'm looking for the vociferous anti-lockdown and anti mask articles in 2020.
For some reason, they don't seem to want to talk about the origin of the virus, much, either. I don't understand why that isn't the story of the century--and the facts completely mock letting government bureaucrats make our choices for us. I suspect they watch Fox News and refuse to write anything that might accidentally agree with something over there--as if that had the makings of an excellent standard for journalism.
They wear masks, not because they believe they're necessary, but in case someone thinks they're a Republican.
+1
Because trump tricked them by saying that a lab leak was a possible reason, so they absolutly had to oppose that theory.
Once “journalists” admit they didn’t bother looking into a story so important because Trump said it might be true, where can they go from there?
Agreed 100000 missed your message above but had same thoughts below.
Once again, Sanchez' anti-toddler stance is very much reading "The Emperor's New Clothes" as the tragic victimization of a naked emperor. The story's bully can't have a valid point, he's just a toddler!
Why not let businesses set their own rules and encourage customers to make their own decisions as to which establishments to visit? That's how free societies work. https://t.co/Z7j9GXFwW1
Thanks Tucille - that'd be great if the media didn't poison the well with restricted info and panic porn so a sound decision could be made. Keep pulling on the string and apply that all the way back I'll wait for your steadfast continued announcement on that.
Reminds me of when they ran a fake payment processor to "catch" all those criminals playing online poker.
"This actually is the toddler's conception of freedom libertarians get wrongly accused of holding: 'I'm free to do what I please without regard for others; you're free to indulge me, because I might feel less free if you get to make choices too,'" commented the Cato Institute's Julian Sanchez.
So Mr. Sanchez, as a big boy libertarian, you'd be in favor of repealing the 14A and supporting 'separate but equal'? To what extent? If, say, you weren't even allowed in half of a city without papers would you still be calling the same opposition names? They won't feel less free, the core concept of a virus passport is a document proving they should be less free.
Nothing says "I have a well-reasoned argument to make." like "The people sympathetic to my cause, but don't quite get it, are children."
"The people sympathetic to my cause*..."
*Assumes Sanchez' cause to actually be libertarian.
I love the phrase "Toddler Libertarianism". It so perfectly encapsulates the emotional, reactionary mindset of so many of those here who profess to be libertarian. "BUT I DON'T WANNA" is not a moral nor consistent position.
Sometimes, government force is justified.
And even when it's not, we still have to have the maturity to impose obligations on ourselves to solve the problems that government programs - the ones we want to get rid of - purport to solve.
For example, there will always be poor people in any society, libertarian or not. The mainstream 'solution' to poverty is the welfare state. But if we want to get rid of the welfare state, then the material assistance to the poverty-stricken has to come from somewhere. That has to come from cooperation between free people to provide support to the needy. And that can only happen if free people take it upon themselves to initiate that cooperation and provide that help. Whining BUT I DON'T WANNA PAY TAXES, I DON'T WANNA HELP THOSE LOSERS, I DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING isn't going to feed the poor, and moreover, it will only *strengthen* the case for the welfare state as everyone else looks at the Toddler Libertarians and thinks "well, if that is the alternative to the status quo, then despite all its faults maybe welfare isn't so bad after all".
For example, there will always be viruses and diseases, and sometimes, new diseases spawn a global pandemic. The mainstream solution to this problem is to empower a public health bureaucracy to impose rather draconian rules on everyone in order to minimize the damage caused by the disease. But if we don't want to endure such onerous burdens, then WE have to take it upon ourselves to do what we can to limit the spread of the disease. That means adopting public health measures ourselves, voluntarily, so that we reduce the severity of the pandemic WITHOUT public health diktats. Crying and whining about BUT I DON'T WANNA I DON'T WANNA I DON'T WANNA doesn't stop the spread of the disease, doesn't cure anyone, and does nothing but empower the Karens out there to go to the public health authorities and say "save us from those immature assholes who don't give a shit about the disease so that we don't all die from this new plague".
If we want less government coercion, then we have to act like the responsible adults that we claim are sufficient in serving as the foundation of a society that can freely run in the absence of that coercion. But instead if the liberty movement behaves like spoiled Toddler Libertarians, then they prove to everyone else that government must force all of us to obey rules "for our own good".
Freedom and acting responsibly. Grown-up libertarians know they go hand in hand.
Haha. Yeah, our government betters have made so many good calls on our behalf recently (while famously doing the opposite in their own lives), that I can certainly understand your unwavering devotion!
My god man, if you were any worse, you’d be tony.
Actually, I take that back. At least he has the guts to say “FYTW”. He might be less of a bootlicker than you. If that’s even possible.
Just because he deserved it does not mean one should do it.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/06/08/macron-slapped-france-bell-oneworld-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/06/08/leaked-text-messages-show-hunter-biden-dropping-the-n-word-in-casual-conversation-with-his-white-lawyer/
Remember that time the NYT wrecked a teenaged girl's life for texting the n-word? I'm sure they will be equally harsh with Hunter Biden.
What is wrong with these people? I learned not to use that word before Hunter was born.
https://wapexclusive.com/ ,environment, but don’t bother to learn the science so they can tell protecting from destroying, and also while pushing policies that spread poverty – and no one who is worried about feeding their family will ever care about their environmental impact. They pretend to be for equality while following an ideology that has consistently created a favored class living in luxury, while most of the population are much poorer than an American welfare family.