Coronavirus

Closing Bars and Restaurants Didn't Stop People From Gathering

Now officials in Chicago and New York are reconsidering their rules.

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Banning indoor dining at bars and restaurants has failed to stop people from gathering together, Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot admitted Thursday as she issued a call to reopen those establishments "as quickly as possible."

It's been nearly three months since Chicago ordered bars and restaurants to stop indoor service, but the ban has predictably failed to stop people from getting together. As the shutdowns devastated the city food service industry, they also created a black market for socialization. Lightfoot told a local CBS affiliate today that city officials now are seeking ways to cut down on private underground parties.

"People are engaging in risky behavior that is not only putting themselves at risk, but putting their families, their co-workers, and other ones at risk. Let's bring it out of the shadows," Lightfoot said. "Let's allow them to have some recreation in restaurants, in bars, where we can actually work with responsible owners and managers to regulate and protect people from COVID-19."

That is, of course, exactly what groups like the Illinois Restaurant Association and workers in the industry predicted would happen.

Whether Chicago's bars and restaurants can reopen soon is not entirely up to the mayor. Under rules imposed by Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker, indoor dining is still banned statewide—though the Democratic governor has signaled that some other COVID-19 restrictions could be lifted soon.

Lightfoot's comments echo this week's acknowledgment by New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo that locking down bars and restaurants is not a sustainable strategy for dealing with COVID-19. As part of his state of the state address, Cuomo warned that New York "simply cannot stay closed" until herd immunity to the virus is achieved. "We will have nothing left to open," the governor said. "We must reopen the economy, but we must do it smartly and safely."

It turns out that shutting down wide swaths of the economy was neither smart nor safe. Even with the lockdowns, the United States is currently seeing record levels of COVID-19 cases and deaths. California and New York are experiencing the worst outbreaks despite have imposed some of the strictest rules.

Individuals and business owners have every incentive to take precautions. But people will judge their level of risk and act accordingly, no matter what the government tells them.

Bans on indoor dining have been popular since last fall, when public health experts fingered restaurants as particularly dangerous vectors for spreading COVID, based on a Centers for Disease Control study of COVID infections in 10 states.

But contact-tracing data released by the Cuomo administration in mid-December showed that just 1.4 percent of the state's COVID cases in the previous three months were connected to bars and restaurants. In Minnesota, where both indoor and outdoor dining were banned for weeks during the holiday season (and where indoor dining was still off-limits until this week), only 1.7 percent of cases have been traced to restaurants.

In Los Angeles, city officials abruptly banned outdoor dining last month (indoor dining was already off the table), pulling the rug out from under restaurateurs who had spent significant sums of money retrofitting their facilities for outdoor-only service. Meanwhile, no evidence showed that outdoor dining was a serious health threat.

And as Chicago's experience demonstrates, simply shutting bars and restaurants is no guarantee that people won't get together to eat and drink. Indeed, since most restaurants are larger and better ventilated than your average urban apartment, it seems safer to let people gather there.

Lightfoot said Thursday that she will urge Pritzker to roll back the ban on indoor dining and that she believes business owners can enforce precautions such as mask-wearing and social distancing.

"I feel very strongly that we are very close to a point when we should be talking about opening up our bars and restaurants," she said, according to CBS Chicago.

In fact, we're long past that point. But it's good to see some politicians catching up.

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  1. Wait, prohibition created a black market, in Chicago of all places? What a time to be alive.

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  2. Now that trump is gone it is no longer benificial to wreck the economy

    1. The tone and subjects of news articles is changing already.

      1. That dago fuck Cuomo’s already come out saying we need to “reopen the economy” now.

        Wonder what the over/under is on COVID deaths being redefined as flu deaths after he takes over.

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    3. Now that trump is gone

      The Con Man still has a week to go as POTUS.

      Anyway the media is all-in about warning us about “right wing domestic terrorists”.

      It’s about time.

      1. Gotta have an enemy.

      2. “…Anyway the media is all-in about warning us about “right wing domestic terrorists”…”

        Not anywhere close to being intelligent enough to be dishonest or engage in sarc: Just plain stupidity.

        1. Pure troll account.

          1. I don’t think so; you grant him too much intelligence. Turd isn’t bright enough to make that stuff up; he’s simply a coke-addled lefty shit to stupid to separate real from fantasy.

      3. The media should be warning us about prog child molesters. Which should be followed up with a SWAT team sent to your place.

    4. Right, it’s hard to take politicians at their word–that they are just now seeing the light–when data and logic never supported the decision in the first place. The cynic in me sees this as “Trump is no longer around, so we don’t need to do the opposite of him for the sake of just publicly opposing Trump.”

      Don’t get me wrong: I’m glad that Lightfoot and Cuomo are finally conceding this point. But it only underscores their own prior idiocy and stubbornness. They’ve done irreparable harm to thousands of people’s livelihoods without any benefit to “stopping the spread.” I’m disgusted.

      1. Cuomo is so incompetent that 80% of the vaccines sent to his state have expired and have been thrown away. He is too stupid to distribute it.

        And this their top guy to run for president in the next few election cycles. Democrats truly fail upwards.

    5. DING DING DING

      How long until we get back to “go out and enjoy a play” and “visit Chinatown”? I think they may have pushed the sheep a bit too far this time – fear and cowering is their natural state, and they love the vicarious thrill of blaming the ‘rona on those “covidiots” and “deniers”. Telling them to go out and dine for Joe and America might be a bit much.

      But partisanship is a mighty powerful thing these days…

  3. Of course, the objective was do destroy small businesses run by individuals.
    It will be much better for everyone (in power) when we all shuffle in to work at a mega corporation controlled by those who know the proper way to think and behave.

  4. The goal was never to stop covid to stop spreading. The goal was to pretend you were doing something. You people are feckless assholes. This is the greatest encroachment of liberty since the patriot act and you milquetoast douches stood by and didn’t say a word. Fuck you all.

    1. I think that’s an even bigger disappointment from Reason than all the TDS. They should have been questioning everything coming from the government and being a loud voice for liberty, not helping to further alarm people. There were plenty of people doing that.

      1. They knew. They didn’t care. They are all fucking hacks and cowards with the exception of like two or three writers here. Whether or not the lockdowns work has little to know relevence to their alleged philosophy the fact that none of the NPI’s worked and in fact more than likely made it work is just gravy to the fucktardery and straight up theft that went on during the year. The time to be polite is way gone these people conducted the largest transfer of wealth this country has seen since reconstruction and not only did reason and so many beltway libertarians not say anything they were visibly excited about the new fucking gig and work from home economy that was created.

      2. They knew. They didn’t care. They are all fucking hacks and cowards with the exception of like two or three writers here. Whether or not the lockdowns work has little to know relevence to their alleged philosophy the fact that none of the NPI’s worked and in fact more than likely made it work is just gravy to the fucktardery and straight up theft that went on during the year. The time to be polite is way gone these people conducted the largest transfer of wealth this country has seen since reconstruction and not only did reason and so many beltway libertarians not say anything they were visibly excited about the new fucking gig and work from home economy that was created.

      3. Eric Bohem is a coward. Like most journalists.

      4. Why would writers at a nominally libritarian magazine question government edicts?

    2. since the patriot act
      The response to the Rona has been WAY worse than the patriot act could ever have dreamed of. There is absolutely no comparison. If DEATHPLAGUE2K19 dropped a bomb on fundamental human rights the patriot act was a fire cracker.

      Deplore the patriot act all you want, it was/is bad sure, but as far as I know it didn’t result in 75% of people under 30 considering suicide at least once in the past month.

      1. Nor did it knee-cap the economy.

  5. That is, of course, exactly what groups like the Illinois Restaurant Association and workers in the industry predicted would happen.

    Uh, in March it *might* have been in a prediction. In November, it’s a third trimester, if not full-term, delayed reaction.

  6. Nobody is fooled by this or the timing.

  7. The science was clear in fucking May you assholes they kept it up you people weren’t shouting about the house being on fire everyday is an indictment of how unprincipled you hacks are. What science has changed these people minds? How the fuck did you guys not go to the press conferences and ask these fucking assholes inconvenient questions that noone else in the media would?

  8. SleepyJoe will straighten all this out. DAY ONE!

  9. “Stupid is as stupid does”

    Forrest Gump’s mother

  10. The party of science is now pushing to reopen businesses and disregarding FDA advice on vaccinations.

    What changed?

    1. SleepyJoe will make it all better..

    2. What changed?

      The world may never know…

  11. Just STFU and OBEY.

  12. Boehm, why do you insist on propagating the false narrative of covid deaths, or cases for that matter. It’s a well-known fact that the PCR tests are unreliable, and with the way that they’re being used, extremely unreliable. So those reported case numbers are meaningless. And by now, most people are aware of the common practice of classifying any sort of death as covid, even gunshot and heart attack.

    1. The number of deaths attributed to the Chinaflu, up until January 20, will remain the same.
      But from that point on, only those purely caused by it – 6% of the total, so far – will be come the figure reported by the enemedia and the medical establishment.
      And every sick person will now get tested for the seasonal flu.
      It is known.

      1. And the FDA guidelines for PCR testing cycles will be very quietly dropped from 40 to 35, then to 30. This will have the effect of making it look like there are fewer “cases”. All hail Sleepy Joe!

  13. The cynical goal all along was to force people to stay home where the virus was most likely to spread. As I’ve been saying since it started.

    But now they decided they didn’t want to kill us off entirely.

    1. they realized how many taxes those small business pay and they need teh taxes more than healthy tax payers. Plus Biden won the destruction is not needed anymore.

  14. Somebody should tell the cuck sullum about this stunning revelation.

  15. Think about it, reopening bars and restaurants just might keep people from “illegally” getting together. WOW, whodathunk?

    Case in point — the largest outbreak in our small county since all this started involved a healthcare worker who attended an “illegal” party and got exposed, and then passed it onto the skilled nursing facility where s/he was employed, resulting in seven deaths.

    Had s/he met with at a local restaurant or other gathering place, the individuals there would likely wearing masks, been doing SOME distancing, as well as had improved ventilation, etc. At the very least, the risk of exposure would have been lessened.

    The lock-downs kill more than just businesses. Whodathunk?

    1. Masks don’t do dick .

      1. It’s about more than just masks. As far as masks, well, you have your experts, I have mine. (And true, they are not a panacea.)

        1. Then stop bringing them up.

          1. Sorry, but I will bring up whatever the heck I want. The donning of a decent mask (some masks are worse than useless), by someone carrying covid can reduce the likelihood of spreading the disease to other people who are in close contact.

            1. If you are sick you should stay home.

              1. Absolutely. But probably 40% or better of people who get infected are asymptomatic. And while not quite as likely to spread the disease as someone who is coughing and sneezing, it still quite possible.
                You would think that the first priority would be to develop an inexpensive, at-home test for folks to be able to check themselves. But I guess shutting down a sizable percentage of the economy for an indeterminate time is easier…. at least for the government.

                1. After January 20, asymptomatic carriers will no longer be able to spread the Chinaflu.
                  Anyone who gets it, if they can’t blame it on the seasonal flu, will be by some act of God, and be something that can’t be avoided.
                  It is known.

                  1. So it is written. So shall it be.

            2. This is supported by SOME observational studies, but exactly ZERO randomized control trials (the gold standard for medical studies) in the last 50 years. Masks have been shown to work for dust and large particles, some chemical agents, and most bacteria. They have never been shown to work for airborne viral infections. At this point it is unlikely that masks have anything more than a marginal effect. With regards to type of masks studied, most RCTs are concerned with surgical and N95.

              1. This is largely correct — their effectiveness against airborne viruses is virtually nil. However, they can be effective in reducing the spread of droplets containing the virus, which can be important when in close contact with infected persons. And, as I said, a decent mask. Most folks I see are wearing blue surgical masks or K95s or such.

        2. (And true, they are not a panacea.)

          has anyone ever told you tkat you have a splendid gift for understatement….?

          1. It is not a gift — it is a carefully-crafted art. 🙂

  16. >>It turns out that shutting down wide swaths of the economy was neither smart nor safe.

    who’s mommy’s little genius?

  17. It turns out that shutting down wide swaths of the economy was neither smart nor safe.

    It scared the sheep and got Joe Biden elected so I’d say it worked perfectly. Which ought to scare the shit out of you when you realize the depths to which the Democrats will sink to seize and maintain power. All bets are off now, we’re going to have to fight our way out of this.

  18. Joe will follow the science (shutdown bars and restaurants).

  19. Daily Stormer, VDare, Neo-Nazis funded by large bitcoin transactions from far right top men.


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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-large-bitcoin-payments-to-rightwing-activists-a-month-before-capitol-riot-linked-to-foreign-account-181954668.html

    1. “…The story cited research by the nonprofit Southern Poverty Law Center…”

      Ken got your number, turd.

      1. source

        The source of the funding, according to research conducted by Chainanalysis, appears to be a computer programmer based in France who created an account in 2013 — and who maintained a personal blog, which was not updated between 2014 and Dec. 9, 2020, the day after the “donations.”

        Chainalysis researchers discovered a blog post from the bitcoin user that reads like an apparent suicide note, bequeathing his money to “certain causes and people” in light of what he describes as “the decline of Western civilization,” though the researchers were unable to confirm that the user was in fact dead. Chainalysis declined to publish the user’s name, citing privacy concerns due to the inability to conclusively confirm his death and out of concerns over ongoing law enforcement investigations.

        Chainalysis, liar.

        1. No great surprise, the lefty shits Ken identified tend to change their stories when called on their idiocy, I guess hoping others might be as stupid as they are and not notice.

        2. Goddamn, shriek, how many accounts is that you’ve had to start up now, 5?

        3. You rape children, and post WaPo/SPLC shit here. Why don’t you stop that shot and go turn yourself in to the cops with a full confession of all your rapes? Or better yet, set yourself on fire.

    2. SleepyJoe will ban bitcoins. DAY ONE!

    3. Now do the Southern Poverty Law Center, and BLM while you’re at it.

  20. Oh, and $60K?!?!?!
    “Soros pumps more than $28 million into Democratic groups for 2020”
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/10/soros-pumps-28-million-democratic-groups-2020-179367

    TDS-addled lefty shits like you are far more worrisome.

  21. Will Trump pardon his insurrection buddies?

    Discuss, Peanuts.

    Shaman (animal head guy) Angeli “accepted President Trump’s invitation to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol,” Watkins said in a statement. “Mr. Chansley is an American; he served honorably in the U.S. military. He has zero criminal history. He is a lover of nature, routinely practices meditation, is an active practicer of yoga and eats only organic food. He took seriously the countless messages of President Trump. He believed in President Trump. Like tens of millions of other Americans, Chansley felt — for the first time in his life — as though his voice was being heard.”

    Watkins said Angeli played no part in the violence and surrendered peacefully, warranting a pardon.

    “My client had heard the oft-repeated words of President Trump,” Mr. Watkins continued. “The words and invitation of a president are supposed to mean something. Given the peaceful and compliant fashion in which Mr. Chansley comported himself, it would be appropriate and honorable for the president to pardon Mr. Chansley and other like-minded, peaceful individuals who accepted the president’s invitation with honorable intentions.”

    1. “…Will Trump pardon his insurrection buddies?
      Discuss, Peanuts…”

      Ken S. posited earlier in one of the “orange man bad” threads that certain commenters are assumed to be dishonest, but that grants them far too much credit: Dishonesty requires a mind acute enough to recognize and reject fact.
      There are Tony, turd, M4e, jackass and others here who qualify as incapable of that. That degree of idiocy might be due some sympathy for the condition; it’s not easy getting along in a world full of information and data with a brain simply not equipped to really “think”.
      Regardless, they still need to be called on their idiocy; perhaps one or more might even become capable of critical thought, doubtful though that seems.

    2. You’re a self admitted child molester and leftist radical. You have no credibility here and are nasty and vicious. The only reason you post here is that you’re too stupid to grasp the futility of doing so.

      You’re a sick sad clown to us. If anything, you reinforce our arguments at your expense.

  22. Is there an NGO willing to sue IL and NY to keep businesses closed? Because reasons?

    I would donate. Out of spite.

    1. At least the big cities. The superspreader cities. They need to stay shut down to protect the rest of the country. Are they trying to kill our grandmas?

  23. The shut down orders ignore the reality of human behavior. Despite admonitions not to socialize, humans are social animals and will find ways to do so. Removing public places like restaurants and bars results in people meeting up at friends houses. Restaurants & bars have invested untold millions of dollars to become hygienic and safe places with the addition of ventilation, sanitizing procedures, enough room for distancing both inside and out, along with commercial grade disinfection equipment. This is not the case in homes which are smaller, have harder to sanitize surfaces and no staff to maintain germ free conditions. So I would argue that you are safer meeting people outside of your immediate home environment in these obviously safer locations. The “scientists” have it wrong because they have not factored in normal human behavior. And if you’re going to argue that people must stay in their homes, good luck with that. The only way that can be enforced would be with martial law.

    1. The shut down orders ignore the reality of human behavior.

      Every leftist authoritarian policy since the dawn of time ignores the reality of human behavior. That’s a key factor in why they always fail.

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  25. The Chinaflu will become just another of the seasonal flus we deal with on a regular basis, just like the one (H1N1) that hit during the 0blama/Biden administration, which they admitted they were lucky to not have been this bad.
    The new investigation of its source will magically discover it to be somewhere other than China, which is, really our greatest ally in the world.
    It is known.

  26. I wonder how many of those people demanding longer lockdowns would feel if things were *really* locked down. Being able to run to the grocery store or Wal-Mart or picking up your favorite take-out…those are all ways and places where you can infect other or be infected, even if everyone’s wearing a mask.

    So I mean *really locked down*: no grocery stores, no Wal-Mart, no fast-food drive-throughs, no pizza delivery, no Uber-Eats or Door-Dash or whatever. No Amazon or Target online. No home delivery. No jogging, visiting a park, etc. You’ll stay in your house or else–we’ll allow you to wander around in your own backyard (backyard only), if you have one.

    For food, what you’ll get is a government truck will deliver a box of food for one person to eat for a week, and drop off the boxes at your front doorstep based on the number of people in your household (obviously, you’ll get what we put int the box, this isn’t a foodie delivery service; you’ll eat it and like it or else). Each week, you will be told to line your household up at the door, one at a time, so they can be counted; this will inform the number of food boxes dropped of at your house. An armed escort will accompany the delivery person to ensure that no one opens their doors while the delivery person is within 20 feet of the door. Don’t do that, because you could get shot. The delivery personnel and their guards will be in full MOPP gear.

    If someone in your house needs medical care, call 911 and an ambulance will be dispatched. People in full MOPP gear will pick up your sick loved one and take them away for treatment. If they live, maybe you’ll see them again.

    The ONLY “essential” personnel will be those involved with treating COVID and for producing and delivering the food. These people will obviously be issued uniforms and ID lanyards. So there’s no reason for anyone one else to ever venture outside of their house and anyone on the streets who is not in uniform obviously has no business being there, and will be subject to immediate detention in physical quarantine facilities, or worse.

    Let them imagine a real lockdown for a few minutes then ask the question again. Bet the answer is different.

    Otherwise, they literally want to murder granny.

    1. All democrats should be treated that way. It’s what they voted for. The rest of us can go back to our normal lives.

  27. They need to stimulate the economy now that they have their guy in office on Jan 20th. The people that were penalized by the lockdowns were just political fodder.

  28. New motto: “Less social distancing, more socialism distancing”.

  29. Nobody is trying to deceive anyone. There is no reason to do that for the people fighting this every day. Getting the correct diagnosis is the only way to know how to treat the illness.

    I get that people want to do armchair medicine. There are people who spend half their adult lives just training for the real thing. And the rest of it learning when you were wrong and what to do about it.

    This is an article submitted back in June to the prestigious journal Radiology. We know more now. To use this information requires an understanding and learning process.

    https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/rg.2020200159

    This virus is a very bad actor. I have never seen anything quite like it. To defeat it we humans need to stop fighting each other.

    1. We have seen plenty of stuff like it. I generally agree that building the knowledge and understanding takes time, but this thing doesn’t behave all that different from other positive-sense single strand RNA viruses. It is significantly worse than the common cold (not for each individual, but for the general population) and significantly less dangerous than SARS.

      As for lockdowns, they are as ineffective and costly as the science had considered them to be for 50 years. For example, in 2019 Hopkins released “Preparedness for a High-ImpactRespiratory Pathogen Pandemic.” The pathogen they describe is a model that looks very similar to coronavirus, and in the document/research they conclude that lockdowns don’t work and are only pursued for political reasons. “During an emergency, it should be expected that implementation of some NPIs, such as travel restrictions and quarantine, might be pursued for social or political purposes by political leaders, rather than pursued because of public health evidence… In the context of a high-impact respiratory pathogen, quarantine may be the least likely NPI to be effective in controlling the spread due to high transmissibility.” See the document here:
      https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/pubs_archive/pubs-pdfs/2019/190918-GMPBreport-respiratorypathogen.pdf

      We knew plenty, we just forgot it all out of panic and had to learn all the same lessons over again.

      1. Ok show up for work with me.

        Really we need help.

        Yes I read everything in that article. You cannot understand it.

        Table 1.

        Orthomyxovirus
        Respirovirus*
        Henipavirus*
        Rubulavirus*
        Coronavirus
        Enterovirus**
        Rhinovirus**
        Important Members
        Influenza
        Human parainfluenza viruses 1 and 3
        Nipah
        Human parainfluenza viruses 2 and 4
        MERS, SARS
        EV-D68, EV-D71
        Human rhinovirus C
        Special Features
        Contagious during incubation period, demonstrated pandemic capacity, airborne and droplet transmission, high mutability
        Highly contagious, spectrum of illness, capacity to cause severe infection, no countermeasures
        Zoonotic origin, limited human-to-human spread, very high mortality, no countermeasures
        Highly contagious, spectrum of illness, capacity to cause severe infection
        Zoonotic origin, human-to-human spread, high mortality, no countermeasures
        Highly contagious, spectrum of illness, capacity to cause severe infection, no countermeasures
        Highly contagious, ubiquitous, spectrum of illness, capacity to cause severe infection, no countermeasures.

        From what you posted. Excellent source i check in there almost every day.

        You have no idea what this is.

    2. Nobody is trying to deceive anyone.

      haha…
      hahaha…
      hahahahaha…

  30. Biden’s about to propose a 15 dollar federal minimum wage. There’s no point in doing that if businesses that can be force to pay that remains closed.

    If, by some miracle, we get his covid mostly control by May or June, and business goes back to normal, the damage done already would be enough to trigger a recession for several years. People owe back rent and have to reckon with whatever debt they amassed in their Amazon shopping spree. The lower class middle who can’t code for work depend on physical retail and those will be closing down and shifting online.

    But chances are we’ll be in this mess until Christmas. The vaccine rollout in some states is so nonsensical that they’re throwing away used vaccines. By the time CA is done vaccinating 50% of their people, Covid may have mutated further and another vaccine might be necessary.

    CA and NY might be experiencing the beginning stages of decline that hit Venezuela and Puerto Rico. They’re starting to experience drain on talent, industry and resources. But ALL the poor people will still be there, except there will be less industries to prop them.

    “Massive immigration without true free market is not good” will dawn on future libertarians, just as non interventionism started to become a thing for republicans after their fervent support for Bush .

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