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'We're Not Doing Anything Wrong': This Pennsylvania Brewery Refuses To Obey State's Indoor Dining Ban

And it isn't alone. Pennsylvania has banned indoor dining through the end of the year, but dozens of businesses are banding together to defy the mandate.

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It's a few days before Christmas in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, and there is plenty of room at Seven Sirens Brewing Company.

The brewery's 7,000-square-foot tasting room has a fire code capacity of 320, but during happy hour on Monday, there are only about a dozen patrons scattered around the place, sitting in ones and twos at socially distanced tables and sipping beers served by two masked bartenders. Whether they know it or not, everyone here is engaged in an act of civil disobedience, challenging Pennsylvania's ban on indoor drinking and dining that will continue through New Year's Day, at least. It's a policy that assumes all establishments in the state are equally risky—that a tiny, crowded diner or coffee shop is no different than a massive, mostly empty beer hall.

"We're not doing anything wrong," says co-owner Jordan Serulneck, a 32-year old with a full beard and surprisingly cheerful attitude given everything that's happened since Seven Sirens opened in mid-February—just weeks before the pandemic hit. "It was the best timing," he says with a weary laugh.

When Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf ordered indoor dining to close in March, Serulneck dutifully shut his doors. But what started out as a temporary shutdown was extended several times before the restrictions were finally lifted during the summer. When a new statewide shutdown of bars, restaurants, and breweries was ordered for the Wednesday night before the Thanksgiving holiday—typically a major night for social gatherings—Seven Sirens refused to yield. The newest ban on indoor drinking and dining went into effect on December 12, but 10 days later the beer is still flowing here.

"We've been enforcing the same measures here that we did during the summer and we've had no problems," says Serulneck, pointing to the tables spread around the tasting room. With his 67-year-old mother living with him, Serulneck says he takes COVID-19 as seriously as anyone and understands the importance of mask-wearing and hand-washing. Where he draws the line, however, is in listening to orders that come from "people who haven't missed a paycheck in nine months" and who don't seem to appreciate the toll that shutdowns have taken.

"It's been nine months and I don't know how much longer they think people are just going to completely put their lives on hold," he says.

The pandemic, of course, isn't letting up. According to the state Department of Health, Pennsylvania is "in the midst of a spike" in positive COVID-19 tests, with more than 581,000 cases statewide as of Wednesday afternoon. There have been 14,442 deaths caused by the virus in Pennsylvania—a little more than 4 percent of all COVID-19 deaths in the country.

The real crisis in Pennsylvania isn't centered on restaurants or breweries, but nursing homes. Almost 70 percent of the COVID-19 fatalities in Pennsylvania have been tied to nursing homes. According to a New York Times analysis of COVID-19-related deaths in nursing homes, six of the 10 deadliest facilities in the country were located in the Keystone State.

Indoor dining has been identified by some studies as a major vector for the spread of COVID-19, and people should be aware of the risks. But after nine months of being warned about avoiding crowded indoor spaces, the government should trust proprietors and individuals to make their own assessments about what risks to tolerate. After all, the government appears to trust shoppers who packed the parking lot of the Lehigh Valley Mall a few miles down the road from Seven Sirens.

Serulneck is hardly alone when it comes to ignoring the state's shutdown order. PALockdown.com, a website that encourages residents to patronize businesses "standing up to the unconstitutional mandate," lists dozens of restaurants, bars, diners, breweries, and other establishments defying the dining ban. A Facebook group promoting the website has more than 68,000 members.

But the state is striking back. Last week, at least 150 businesses got notices from the Wolf administration threatening legal action, including fines of up to $300 per day, if they refused to comply with the indoor dining ban. On Wednesday, the administration ordered 40 restaurants closed for defying the governor's order.

So far, Seven Sirens has avoided the government's hammer—though Serulneck says the brewery has received warnings from local and state agencies. He's hopeful that a groundswell of civil disobedience will leave law enforcement overwhelmed, or simply unwilling to punish their neighbors.

In some places, that's already happening. The sheriffs of Elk, Lancaster, and Westmoreland counties say they will not enforce the state's indoor dining ban this time around. Westmoreland County Sheriff James Albert told Trib Live that his 40 years of experience as a law enforcement officer and judge have taught him to find a balance between enforcing government mandates and "protecting individual civil liberties."

Judges will have their say too. In September, Judge William Stickman struck down large portions of Wolf's previous COVID-19 lockdown mandate as an unconstitutional use of the state's police powers. By then, however, much of the earlier mandates had been lifted.

Now, a group of bars and restaurants have filed a new lawsuit against the Wolf administration, hoping to build upon that September victory to overturn the newest lockdown. But it seems unlikely that there will be a ruling in the case before the shutdown is scheduled to expire on January 4.

In the meantime, business owners like Serulneck are risking their licenses and livelihoods to stay open—doing the best they can to respect public health guidelines and keep employees and patrons healthy. He has to duck out of our interview to participate in a conference call with other business owners who are banding together to defy the state.

"You have an inherent right to provide for yourself and your family, and that's not suspended during a time of emergency," he says. "Those rights weren't granted by a governor, so they can't be stripped away by a governor."

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    1. Nobody and I mean nobody could have seen these statist policies coming generally from the left.

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        1. Jesse called me one day after a party and said “Dude, I can’t believe how wasted I was. I came home and blew chunks!”
          I was like “That’s cool man. Get it out and you’ll feel better.”
          And Jesse was like “No man! You don’t understand man! Chunks is my dog man!”

          1. Not everyone is an alcoholic like you sweetie. And most of us learned jokes that weren’t 5 decades old.

            1. Poor baby can’t take a joke. Go cry more.

              1. I can take them fine. But your joke is unrelated to the thread and quite frankly old. It is boring. I hear better jokes from old fat front office ladies. But drunk memory tends to only hold on to so many jokes and you prefer the ones related to your life.

                I mean it would be almost funny if I had admitted to being such an alcoholic that I drove my family away, but that was you not me.

                1. “Is Nobody your dog?” is the comment that made me think of the joke. Whatever. Keep being a mean little girl. It’s no skin off my nose.

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              2. No, Sarc, it just wasn’t funny. But then, you’re too stupid to understand that.

            2. You taking that personally, becoming angry, shedding tears, and reacting by trying to be mean, says a lot more about you than about me.

              Grow up.

              1. Lol. No tears or personal cares about you sweetie. Was just giving you a day off when you decided to shit post. You fired first shot. So no days off. Deal. Lol. I’m as happy as can be. Kids at home having a good time. On here between Xmas movies. You? Alone with schnapps again?

                1. Oh look, mean girl is being mean again. Boo fucking hoo. Grow up.

                  1. Uh oh! Jesse struck a nerve. Better not drink too much and give in to holiday depression, culminating in your suicide.

                    Or do that. Best thing for you really, your comments are going nowhere.

                2. If some kid makes a joke about one of your kids you instruct your them to lash out in anger and be mean?

                  That’s quite an example there, dad.

          2. This is the joke you called funny in the other thread? Dude, I heard this joke in like 8th grade.

          3. chunks! FUNNY!

  3. Up the rebels!

  4. There have been 14,442 deaths caused by the virus in Pennsylvania…

    Call me a postmodernist if you will, but this by no means an established fact. I’m not saying the virus isn’t potentially deadly. As a survivor, I know that I have some “underlying conditions” the odds were very much in my favor and I wasn’t in much danger. But there is incentive to pump up the numbers to justify the various governments’ economy-wrecking mitigation demands, just as there were incentives to work to wreck or save state businesses depending seemingly on respective governors’ political affiliation.

    Philadelphia’s reported numbers doomed the rest of the commonwealth to Harrisburg’s dictates. Western Pennsylvania – even Allegheny County – didn’t see numbers to justify Wolf’s various actions. But the Pajama Class* – with their own similar agenda – who live in urban hot zones hyped this police-enforced destruction (even as they hoisted the BLM flag) while minimum wage deliverymen paraded to their doorsteps with life’s essentials. It was just too bad this guy’s living wasn’t essential to them. END OF RANT.

    1. *Gonna milk that term for all its worth. (That’s right, I use the possessive there.)

      1. It’s an apt term. Milk it!

      2. HAHA – the pajama class! ThanK you.

        1. Jeffrey Tucker from AIER calls them: The Zoomocracy

          They are so deep into their own shit ass viewpoint, they’ve convinced themselves that groceries appear in delivery trucks unaided, that pizza puts itself in an oven and serves itself to their front door and amazon has robots filling their orders.

    2. “There have been 14,442 deaths caused by with the virus in Pennsylvania…”

      that was easy

      1. But wear your masks or sarcasmic will call you an asshole. Follow your politicized science, ignore decades of research. Sarcasmic demands.

        1. Poor baby can’t take a joke. Go cry more.

        2. “sarcasmic
          December.21.2020 at 5:37 pm
          I’m still against mandates, dipshit. However I respect that lots of people believe stupid shit, and I don’t want to stir the pot. At least not at the grocery store. I’m not going to be like you and refuse to wear and then go around coughing in the faces of old people. That is what you do, right? I mean, if masks are bull and the virus is a hoax, it’s your conservative duty to spit on people.” I don’t see asshole in there once!

          1. Also there is nothing in that comment that says to follow politicized science or ignore research. JesseAz can’t say anything about me without lying.

            1. n00bdragon
              December.21.2020 at 3:48 pm
              What if you refuse to wear a mask because it’s medically ineffective and only serves to frighten you and people around you?

              sarcasmic
              December.21.2020 at 3:50 pm
              Then you’re an idiot. And an asshole.

              JesseAz
              December.21.2020 at 5:11 pm
              Honest question. Do you blindly accept all “expert opinions” on TV with no research or questioning? You have 9 months of models to back you up. I have 9 months of data and 50 years of research with actual studies to back me up.

              Masks do Jack shit. Any effect is negligible. For 5 decades this was accepted. Masks are for bacteria. Current infection rates have no correlation to mask policies.

              You talk about virtue signaling? Lol. God damn statist.

              sarcasmic
              December.21.2020 at 5:31 pm
              I respect people who believe things that may be false because I’m not an asshole like you.

              Dillinger
              December.21.2020 at 3:45 pm
              can I refuse to wear a mask because of not politics?

              sarcasmic
              December.21.2020 at 3:47 pm
              Still makes you an asshole. I’ve got some frail elderly people in my family. Most of us do. Refusing to wear a mask is like saying “Fuck you I don’t care if I get you sick and cause your death.” Of course many people here would put that on a shirt and wear it with pride.

              Rufus The Monocled
              December.21.2020 at 3:31 pm
              Anyone who willingly wears a mask thinking it works is woke dumbass.

              sarcasmic
              December.21.2020 at 3:34 pm
              Anyone who refuses to wear a mask because of politics is an inconsiderate asshole or a conservative. But I repeat myself.

              Takes a minute to copy and paste asshole so many times.

              1. Daaamn sarc. That was a brutal owning.

        3. The only alternative to wearing a mask is running up to old people and coughing in their face, in Sarc’s mind, but not reality.

          1. I think it means that sarc spits in people’s faces when he’s not wearing a mask.

      2. LOL

    3. Yeah. The docs and nurses in the ICU who actually report the deaths really have an “incentive to pump up the numbers to justify the various governments’ economy-wrecking mitigation demands, just as there were incentives to work to wreck or save state businesses depending seemingly on respective governors’ political affiliation.”

      First thing on their minds when they fill out the forms at the end of the shift.

      If you knew how this actually worked you would know that there is no way to fake a medical record. Everything is recorded and I mean everything.

      1. My hospital here in Florida has definitely suggested we increase the tally of corona deaths.
        Any case that is borderline, we are to code as corona death.
        If we can get above a certain percentage of deaths/corona deaths, the hospital gets a lot of money.
        So it is official policy to make as many diagnoses as possible

  5. You one horse pony soldiers think you can defeat the authority of the .. wait which state was this? Pennsylvania? Oh fuck them. Except Scranton. The electric city. My hometown. Where was I? Hey it’s Jilly! My doctor. She gives me these wonderful pills to take. So sleepy…

    1. sorry, my one hour per day office hour is up.,

  6. One of the rules of leadership is to look behind you once in a while to make sure your followers haven’t deserted you for their own goals or even a different leader.

    1. They will just declare them white supremacists if they leave. See Cubans in Florida. They are no longer Latino per the press.

    2. One this this pandemic has shown is that we don’t have leaders. We have rulers.

      1. Truly more disturbing: the more important thing this pandemic has shown is how many millions of Americans WANT rulers.

          1. Yep–and in real life, the guy standing up and talking sass to him is the bad guy, as everyone else around him tweets #getonyourfuckingknees.

          2. he came to free us from freedom.

        1. Disagree. The most important thing this pandemic has shown is how few American adults are actually open to learning anything new. ‘Want ruler’ is really just code for ‘I don’t know anything and don’t want to know anything so I’ll go along with whatever idiot says’

        2. To think all this could be sorted out by mass distribution of yardsticks to these people.

      2. And you tacitly applauded as the open and promising statist won. Well… wasn’t quiet. You were happy.

        1. Poor baby can’t take a joke. Go cry more.

          1. You’re the lonely drunk on Christmas. Jesse sounds happy and well adjusted. I guess being an evil hateful progressive hasn’t worked out for you.

  7. Judges will have their say too. In September, Judge William Stickman struck down large portions of Wolf’s previous COVID-19 lockdown mandate as an unconstitutional use of the state’s police powers. By then, however, much of the earlier mandates had been lifted.

    Now, a group of bars and restaurants have filed a new lawsuit against the Wolf administration, hoping to build upon that September victory to overturn the newest lockdown. But it seems unlikely that there will be a ruling in the case before the shutdown is scheduled to expire on January 4.

    That’s how you do it, you keep rolling over 30-day “temporary” emergency orders and by the time anybody can get a lawsuit before the courts, oops, the temporary emergency order has expired and the whole thing gets mooted out of court.

    Oh, and by the way, Boehm, great work on outing these fuckers to the authoritahs so they can be sure to get the beatdown they so richly deserve for openly defying the state – you did a wonderful job by not using pseudonyms or anything so the Gestapo know exactly where to find them. You wanna tell them where Anne Frank’s hiding, too?

    1. “Oh, and by the way, Boehm, great work on outing these fuckers to the authoritahs…”

      I was thinking the same thing until he mentioned PALockdown.com, so it’s not like they’re doing this in secret.

  8. I must take umbrage with your characterization of Indoor Dining being a major vector for Covid-19 infections. That just isn’t the case, and the numbers don’t bear that out. And, to top it off, the studies do not distinguish between diners and restaurant workers that have contracted the virus. The large number of confounding variables to the studies indicate that it is way too early to draw those conclusions and it doesn’t look like we ever will get to the root causes for many infections. Do you guys ever LOOK at the studies that you refer to? Do you look for the r-squared in the studies? Do you know what r-squared values are?

    1. Do you look for the r-squared in the studies? Do you know what r-squared values are?

      Math is for nerds! We have Top Men in Washington who will tell us what is safe.

    2. For the social sciences, an r-squared of 0.4 is good enough to publish.

    3. I agree with you that it is unknown due to confounding variables. You don’t need a lot of statistics for that. Same as the mask debate.

      What we do know is transmission is mostly respiratory. The virus does not magically go from one person to the next. Thus distancing, hygiene, and possibly masks in certain situations are probably a good idea.

      Like other similar diseases we know just from experience that crowded indoor spaces make it more likely to catch a cold or flu. Someone shows up at work with a cold next thing you know you got it, Marsha has it and so on.

      Restaurants could be done safely enough and sounds like these folks are doing that. So I don’t see what the problem is.

    4. https://www.washingtonpost.com/food/2020/12/11/korean-restaurant-coronavirus-airflow-study/

      We should probably err on the side of caution if we want to actually end the pandemic, yes?

      Not sure what’s magical about restaurants that prevents airborne spread of the virus. The hundreds of millions of cases were not all French kissing when they got infected.

      1. The actual data shows that restaurants are not in any way a significant vector.

        1. What are the significant vectors?

          1. One significant one is communities who live in the same house with extended families.

            Apparently 60% of the California infected are Hispanics. Who knew the virus is racist?

          2. Nursing homes and prisons and, in the last 2.5 months, college campuses. I’ve posted this a million times, but you’re an idiot, so I’m not surprised you don’t remember.

          3. “What are the significant vectors?”

            Nursing homes, jails and some meat packing facilities have accounted for many (perhaps most) super spreader locations.

            Home visits with family and friends have accounted for the majority of other covid transmissions.

            But Gov Tom Wolf (whose disastrous March nursing home policy spread covid among the most vulnerable) has once again banned all indoor dining to make it look like he’s doing something to “protect the public” from covid, while destroying thousands of small mom and pop businesses run by Republicans.

            1. My view is the data seem to agree with common sense, that restaurants are risky for spread, even if they aren’t the very riskiest.

              I agree that there is a parallel disaster of economic damage, but it’s not caused by Democrats practicing disaster capitalism (Republicans are the ones doing that, or have they raised taxes to pay for covid relief lately?).

              If those moronic assholes would get out of the way we could do the right thing and quarantine everyone while providing money to prop up the economy until the crisis is over. We could have done that months ago at less expense in money and lives. But that’s typical. Ignore the problem, engage in magical thinking, then bitch when someone else has to clean up their mess.

              1. Indeed Tony, why doesn’t Uncle Sam just shut down all businesses and then mail everyone a check for the money they’ve lost? Where would the money come from? Why a printing press of course. Actually, why stop there? Why only mail them what they’ve lost? There’s no way to calculate a price for potential business or especially loss of freedom. How much money is grandpa due because he had to spend the last nine months of his life in what is essentially prison (only to die of a heart attack) instead of enjoying things? So why stop there? Why not just mail everyone a million dollars, or a billion dollars, or a quadrillion dollars. You may think I’m reducing this to the absurd but I’m not. Every dollar you print with no plan to repay it devalues the money already out there, and the people who get killed (yes killed, literally killed to death) by inflation are the poor.

                Or you could just leave everyone’s freedom intact, not bankrupt and imprison them, and recognize that the disease (while dangerous) is orders of magnitude less dangerous than things like heart disease or cancer and preventing people from socializing, concentrating vulnerable populations, only makes it worse.

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                2. Actually, it’s clear by your comments that you have exactly ZERO knowledge of death coding, who does it, and the methodology behind coding specifically for death by Covid…

                  But keep at it. Perhaps 3 people with like minds will visit this comment section this year, read you, and believe you.

  9. Time for a constitutional amendment that no government employee can be paid during an emergency declaration. The pay may not be paid retroactively later either.
    I suspect that would have kept the ’emergency’ to the actual two weeks.

    1. I don’t think that’s realistic. What I would definitely support is eliminating all non-essential government jobs permanently. Those jobs, by definition, should not exist.

      1. Reminds me of the Dilbert strip where the Pointy-Haired Boss makes an announcement over the intercom that, due to an incoming snowstorm, all non-essential employees may go home early. Then it shows him at the window with a pair of binoculars watching the parking lot and thinking to himself, “This is going to be the easiest round of lay-offs ever.”

        Or, as many people have pointed out, all these school closures just prove the point that teachers are non-essential workers.

      2. So, pretty much all government jobs then?

      3. Then you shouldn’t have voted for Biden.

    2. in California all state government workers were deemed essential. even if they were working from home and not answering the phones at the DMV for months. Newsom did cut everyone’s pay 10%, which was surprising, but state revenues were down 40%.

  10. “Serulneck says he takes COVID-19 as seriously as anyone and understands the importance of mask-wearing and hand-washing.”

    Which, going by the informed behavior of Governors Newsome and Wolf, Mayors Hancock and Adler, et al., is not much.

  11. All we need is a few more months of COVID and we will successfully have achieved Communist status and Xi Jinping has won. Enjoy this video created by Hillary Clinton and friends that had two billion views in China, where Clinton helps reassure the Chinese that we are poor, hungry and need their help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-Hi8GX-Jjw
    Wonder why the Overlords want that notion spread around?

    1. Jesus Christ.

    2. The Clintons have been selling the country out to the Chinks for over 25 years. Of course the rest of the left-liberals are fine with this, now that their party is fully bought and paid for, and anything criticizing the Chinks is racist.

      1. China can never and has never done anything wrong.

      2. What do you call a fat Chinaman?

        A chunk.

    3. The Chinese engineered virus inserts into your RNA. Over time it produces a protein which affects the frontal lobes of the brain, the Amygdyla and hippocampus.

      This results in increased sensitivity to coded communist messages embedded in social media posts, television and online print media. Once this process has infected enough Americans we will simply vote in a fully communist one party state. Vaccines do the same thing through engineered RNA.

      Closing of bars is necessary because alcohol denatures the protein and slows down the process which is why I will be consuming as much of it as I can in the coming year.

    4. Less slavery here though.

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  12. President-elect Joe Biden’s transition team has criticized Twitter’s decision to not allow the millions of followers of the White House Twitter accounts to be automatically retained when the accounts are handed over to the new administration.

    Lol.

  13. Adults should be free to opt out of covid public health measures, so long as they possess the nobility and the courage to forego emergency medical treatment when they get covid. Save the hospital beds for people who are making an effort to stay out of the hospital. Everyone else, fuck it. Live free and die!

    1. I’m fine with that, as long as we’re talking about “free” hospital.

      1. They are all free. Just don’t pay them. I usually give a false address so they can’t find me later.

    2. The data tell us that government edicts are inconsequential in altering the outcomes. As those edicts have little to no measurable effect, they cannot justly be called ‘covid public health measures’

    3. Adults should be free to opt out of covid public health measures, so long as they possess the nobility and the courage to forego emergency medical treatment when they get covid.

      Should alcoholics do the same when they end up with cirrhosis or get hurt in a drunk driving wreck?

      Funny how medical treatment became an ogre’s choice due to a small minority of people dying from this. This isn’t the bubonic plague, which killed 1/3 to 1/2 of Europe, although I admit I’d be willing to risk that, if it meant you and people who share your political beliefs died from it, too.

      1. It’s not the least bit surprising that you lunatics see this as a prime eugenics opportunity.

        1. We’re not the ones basing vaccine distribution on skin color. That’s your side.

          Yet again, you project so brightly that it can be seen from deep space.

          1. If they gave it only to white people first you wouldn’t even notice there was a disparity.

            1. Thanks for conceding the point.

    4. Sure. What else could adults opt out of, for personal moral or economic reasons?

      Law enforcement?
      Other legal constructs: e.g. contracts, property ownership?
      National defense?

      Anything they might disagree with, as long as they get excluded from future benefits, right?

  14. Recent corona breakouts are clearly the fruits of the super-spreader WhiteAntifa/bLM rape- and loot-fests over the summer. They infected each other, went home and infected families and acquaintances, and started a deadly new round.

    Guilty parties are the rioters and their government enablers.

    Restaurant dining had nothing to do with it.

    1. Yeah but you shuda been there. Man! those dudes throw a helluva party.

  15. Fauci admits to NYT he is intentionally moving the goal posts on estimated herd immunity to keep mask and lockdowns in place.

    https://t.co/j18nUYZ3cV?amp=1

    The new science.

    1. NOW IS THE TIME TO DO AS YOU ARE TOLD!
      A.Fauci

      1. 80-85% and includes vaccinations to protect?
        Someone is getting a nice cut of the vaccine profits.

    2. Follow the science over the cliff

      1. They are all in on it Jesse. All of them.

    3. While continuing to ignore actual real-life data that shows — OVER AND OVER AGAIN — that the virus reaches roughly 20% prevalence and then starts crashing.

      This is because many people have t-cell immunity from previous related viruses. This has been known since JULY and Fauci NEVER EVER brings it up. He simply pretends we don’t know this.

      1. It is interesting point about T Cells. Concerning cross reactivity of T Cells from similar viruses what I have found is more questions than answers. It is far from known. I found one preliminary report showing some cross reactivity in the lab. But that says nothing about what actually happens in vivo.

        It is far from clear what the role of T Cells is in infected patients. They are produced but that does not mean they are successful in fighting off the infection. Remember it is always a race and sometimes the virus wins.

        I found this. Haven’t had time to read all of it yet.

        https://immunology.sciencemag.org/content/5/53/eabe8063?hss_channel=tw-42418669

        I can paste the conclusions

        “Collective efforts have greatly enhanced our scientific understanding of T cell responses against SARS-CoV-2 but many unknowns remain to be resolved. Although it is clear that T cells play a central role in generating early control and clearance of many viral infections, their role in SARS-CoV-2 infection is only starting to be revealed. Specific T cells may even have a detrimental impact on the clinical outcome and contribute to long COVID symptoms. Currently, there is a need for deeper analysis using both animal models and longitudinal follow-up studies of large patient cohorts to define the beneficial versus detrimental aspects of SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells in acute, convalescent and vaccine settings of COVID-19.“

        Nobody is covering up anything here Elvis. We just don’t know everything. This was a review published in November so it is current.

        You can hate on Fauci but is actually is one of the top immunologists in the world. He has nothing to gain by covering up anything and could not if he wanted to.

        1. Even when they admit lying to your face, you still make excuses for them.

          1. Who is them?

            Ya didn’t read the article I linked to. Did you?

            1. Why would I click on a link when you’ve already admitted you’re fine with being lied to?

        2. We can see the actual data in the actual real world.

          SOMETHING is stopping this virus from growing much past 20% prevalence ALL OVER THE WORLD, NO MATTER THE RULES.

          If you have an explanation for that OTHER than slowing due to herd immunity, I’m all ears.

          The data is clear and convincing. Lockdowns kill but don’t stop the virus.

      2. Just to add since I am on a rant.

        One of the cardinal clinical signs of this infection is that patients who are infected have a decreased lymphocyte count, not an increased one like most infections. So something is going on here.

        1. False
          The most common reason for a decreased lymphocyte count is an underlying viral infection. As more and more lymphocytes will be involved in fighting off the infection, the count of the lymphocytes would be low when tested.

          https://diseases-conditions.blurtit.com/70267/what-illnesses-cause-a-low-absolute-lymphocyte-count-

          1. Umm if blurtit is your scientific source go with that.

              1. That is a basic start. Mayo Clinic has a nice website geared to the layman searching online.

                So it is not so simple as having more lymphocytes fighting and dying. It may be that the viral genome provokes less of a memory cell response or blocks other cells from mounting an effective response.

                Nor is it at all clear that T or B cell memory cells convey effective immune response from past exposure from similar viral exposure.

                I would add that we are talking about a sign not a symptom.

                So in differential diagnosis decreased lymphocytes leads to a very broad ddx. Now narrow it down doc.

    4. Why don’t you quote the details of this bombshell hidden in the deep recesses of the New York Times:

      “In a telephone interview the next day, Dr. Fauci acknowledged that he had slowly but deliberately been moving the goal posts. He is doing so, he said, partly based on new science, and partly on his gut feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really thinks.

      “Hard as it may be to hear, he said, he believes that it may take close to 90 percent immunity to bring the virus to a halt — almost as much as is needed to stop a measles outbreak.

      Asked about Dr. Fauci’s conclusions, prominent epidemiologists said that he might be proven right. The early range of 60 to 70 percent was almost undoubtedly too low, they said, and the virus is becoming more transmissible, so it will take greater herd immunity to stop it.”

      Dr. Fauci could be a notorious liar and rogue, it wouldn’t change any facts. Try as you might, you can’t conspiracy troll away all the dead people and packed hospitals.

      1. Nice to see that Science! includes “gut feelings” now.

        1. Right, everyone knows science is about endless disingenuous pedantry.

          1. It’s certainly not based on real, actual data anymore, that’s for sure.

      2. I am on the front lines of treating corona patients.
        I can assure you that our ICU and isolation beds have the same utilization as before the pandemic.
        I went past the MICU today after doing 2 cases on heist as day.
        There was one patient with a corona diagnosis.
        On nasal bipap.
        We are not and never were close to being overwhelmed with corona.

    5. No, that’s not what he said, and that’s not what he is doing. You are too desperate. And only morons and assholes don’t wear masks.

  16. “cant be stripped away by a governor” Apparently they can and people dont seem as pissed about it as they should be.

  17. The police standing with the business means nothing if the state health department can issue fines and revoke licenses or the power company can cut power or water to establishments that disobey them.

    Some sheriffs are anti lockdown. But when cops are refusing to enforce lockdown, most of that has to do with their reluctance to run into another BLM situation. They’ll still patrol Jewish neighborhoods or go after a little boy skating by himself.

    It doesn’t even matter. The realignment is inevitable. We’re going to see several states become new Detroits in our lifetime. That process used to take 50 years but Covid kicked the can light speed to the end. Talent, resources and assets will start leaving states like CA and NY.

  18. The freedom to infect people with disease because you can’t handle change was a really fucking stupid hill to literally die on you weirdos.

    1. All the “change” isn’t slowing down the virus.

      1. In the real world, people are not quarantining. I’ve been out there and seen it. Not for months. So what are you talking about? The people taking it seriously are at the mercy of those jackoffs who are not. As if we signed up to be more concerned with their freedom than our lives. Which is what they’re demanding, right? More than one mask has slipped off, huh?

        But let’s understand the logic. Measures taken so far aren’t good enough, therefore our only option is to have a national orgy of infection and let God sort out the dead? Is that it? I can’t be sure anymore since that was apparently the Trump administration policy for a time.

        1. Literally nothing you wrote in that post is accurate or rooted in reality.

    2. They are selfish pieces of sh*t. And this applies to a huge % of humanity.

  19. Money over lives.

    Bah humbug Ebeneezer.

    1. False dichotomy.

      1. There’s nothing false about it.

        Not putting money ahead of human life was exactly the lesson Scrooge learned.

        1. It appears you believe that people who have to work for a living don’t deserve to work if it will inconvenience you.

          1. False dichotomy.

            1. Yes, you did provide one, thanks for admitting it.

      2. What is the purpose of a lockdown but to save lives?

        What is the purpose of defying a lockdown but to make or spend money?

        1. What is the purpose of your hyper-reductivism?

          1. Red herring.

            1. False dilemma.

      3. The business owner confirmed his financial reason for putting lives at risk when he said, “people who haven’t missed a paycheck in nine months”.

        1. You mean, “People who have been able to keep their livelihood for nine months.”

          Now fuck off, neo-yuppie trash.

          1. False equivocation.

            Ad hominem.

            1. You can stay mad that people have kept their jobs, faggot.

              1. I’ll just support their persecution for defying good laws.

                It’s far more meaningful and satisfying.

                Haha.

                1. “good laws”

                  Meanwhile, I’ll laugh when your relatives die of the coof anyway.

                  Haha.

      4. Everything you’ve said is logical fallacy.

        1. Try some self-awareness there, Rhonda.

  20. I cannot dine but packed big box stores are perfectly acceptable. I would like to see how much these said big box stores have donated to lockdown Democrats.

  21. Find a loophole. Get an injunction. It’s cheaper to pay lawyers than to go out of business.

  22. They are killing people….or allowing others to kill other people. So it’s a matter of opinion if that is “doing anything wrong”, or not.

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