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Houston Narcotics Cop Who Instigated a Deadly Drug Raid Is Charged With Murder

Gerald Goines justified the raid, which killed a middle-aged couple, based on a heroin purchase that apparently never happened.


Today Harris County, Texas, District Attorney Kim Ogg announced that Gerald Goines, the narcotics officer who instigated the disastrous January 28 drug raid that killed a middle-aged couple, has been charged with two counts of felony murder. The raid, which discovered no evidence of drug dealing, was based on an affidavit by Goines that cited a "controlled buy" of heroin that apparently never happened.

After initially defending the no-knock raid at 7815 Harding Street and describing Goines as a hero, Police Chief Art Acevedo revealed that investigators had been unable to identify the confidential informant who supposedly had bought heroin from Dennis Tuttle, a 59-year-old disabled Navy veteran who was killed by police along with his 58-year-old wife, Rhogena Nicholas. The investigators concluded that Goines, who retired in March after 34 years with the Houston Police Department (HPD), had lied in his search warrant affidavit.

Another narcotics officer involved in the raid, Steven Bryant, has been charged with evidence tampering for "knowingly providing false information" in a police report afterward. Goines claimed that Bryant, who retired three weeks before Goines, had verified that the "brown powder substance" supposedly purchased from Tuttle was black-tar heroin.

"These two charges of Felony Murder and Tampering with a Government Document against former Officers Goines and Bryant are the beginning of holding those responsible accountable," Ogg said. "This is the start, the tip of the iceberg, in terms of how deep and wide we are investigating. We will find the truth about this entire matter."

Ogg said "prosecutors are reviewing the events which preceded the deadly raid, including extraneous corruption allegations against Goines," who had a history of questionable affidavits and testimony. The Houston Chronicle reports that Goines "is still under investigation over claims he stole guns, drugs and money." Ogg suggested that "other HPD Narcotics Division Squad 15 officers" may also face charges.

Ogg's office also is reviewing "more than 14,000 previously filed criminal cases" involving Squad 15, including some 2,200 cases that were handled by Goines and Bryant. Dozens of pending cases already have been dismissed.

The HPD delivered the findings of its internal investigation to Ogg in May. The FBI is conducting a separate civil rights investigation, and last month two officers who responded to a January 8 call that supposedly implicated Tuttle and Nicholas in drug dealing testified before a federal grand jury. Contradicting Acevedo's claim that the Harding Street home was known as a "drug house" and "problem location," neighbors told local news outlets they had never noticed any suspicious activity there.

Tuttle and Nicholas were killed during an exchange of gunfire that also injured four narcotics officers, including Goines. According to police, the gunfire began after the first officer through the door use a shotgun to kill the couple's dog.


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  1. Dollars to a Donut Shop, this cop is not convicted.

    This is a throw this bad cop under the bus wheel to keep doing the unconstitutional stuff that they are doing.

    1. So, you are complaining they indicted him for felony murder? What exactly should be done here?

      1. Execute a no-knock raid on Goines’ house after a controlled heroin buy has been confirmed.

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    2. No he’s going down. This one is too outrageous.

      1. And it resulted in injured cops. That they care about

      2. I cant get these dummies to understand, hes already gone down. They can show he perjured himself, and that automatically makes him guilty of murder under TXs FELONY MURDER rule.

        It will take an outrageously generous plea deal to keep him from dying in prison

  2. Now do the string of judges that signed all of those warrants without proper inspection.

    1. +100

      and the cops that actually did the shooting.

      1. The cops that did the shooting may have and probably did think they were bursting into a drug gang house. Goines is responsible for that.

        1. Personally, I’d hold them accountable for the deaths too. Though the law probably can’t.

          1. Even honest mistakes should have career ending consequences when they result in dead bodies.

          2. Texas has both the felony murder rule and law of parties so maybe it’s possible to spread the shame around.

        2. If they did, its because they are idiots.

          1. They saw the house.

          2. From their ‘training and experience’ they would know that busting into ‘drug houses’ is incredibly *not* dangerous. As 99% of them are some two-bit dealer with a couple K of product on hand.

          The most dangerous person in a ‘drug house’ raid is the fellow cop behind you.

          1. You should explain that 2nd part to the Philly PD

        3. Goines? Not the Republican Party, licenced medical pseudoscience in support of Harry Anslinger, Cross and Switchblade brainwashing, laws against experiments to disprove the settled science? At this rate it’ll be another century before anyone realizes Prohibition caused the Crash!

        4. No, they didn’t think that at all. They are just as corrupt as Goines and they knew how he operated, taking the easy way out and creating a nice little shoot out to get off on the power trip.

        5. Cops are pretty happy to charge crooks for murder when another criminal gets killed in a robbery gone wrong. There’s no way these guys didn’t know Goines was dirty, just like in an office you know when someone’s fudging their numbers repeatedly. From where I’m standing, they’re accomplices and should be charged as well. And if they take issue with that, maybe they should change the rules to be Constitutionally correct for everyone.

      2. And the politicians that support the war on drug users and allow civil asset forfeiture. You have to stop the ultimate cause if you want something to stop. There are plenty of other cops willing to lie on warrants.

  3. Well, I am not overly-confident about the ultimate outcome, even if he is convicted — but hey, it’s a step in the right direction. Let’s hope he gets a low-paid public defender and that his union doesn’t hire a team of top-flight lawyers.

    1. Hopefully, but he’s had 34 years of enriching himself through theft and extortion under color of law to provide himself with a well-paid defense team. Plus, he has 34 years of implicating fellow police union members, judges, and DAs that he can probably follow through with an oath to “not go down alone,” so he probably has an above average advantage on the legal system. Until he makes it to jail.

  4. Wow, felony murder charges, not wrongful death or manslaughter. They must have really embarrassed the HPD on this one. Hopefully it wakes some people up.

    1. Yes, he did something else that really pissed off a higher-ranking co-co-conspirator.

    2. The whole lying on a warrant kinda makes it impossible to charge anything less. It’s not like they got a call from dispatch and had no information and made a mistake.

    3. Forty years ago the murderers would have gotten raises and promotions, with prosecutors again sent after the Uranium Savages band in Austin for making a funny song about it.

      1. When did this happen? Tried to Google for it, got a lot about the band but none about 1st Amendment violations.

        1. Insane nonsensical ramblings in a weird code known only to himself. And that is on his good days

  5. I’m glad they’re going to get rid of this one bad apple in an otherwise perfectly unblemished barrel. Oh, he’s already gone? Well, then, nothing to see here I suppose.

    I sure am glad that Sessions got rid of those nasty federales who might go sniffing around these purely local occurrences with their hints and suspicions about there being more than one rotten apple in the barrel and that maybe it’s the barrel itself causing the apples to rot. Trump was wise to have supported Sessions in this regard, Trump understands that these totally baseless suspicions and investigations are just more evidence of the War On Cops and they need to stop it with the slanderous and frankly criminal impugning of our brave heroes in blue. Every time you criticize a cop, Hillary Clinton’s smile gets a little creepier.

    1. Its not like DoJ investigators have ever been able to do anything about this crap even when they find blatant and open policies of violating people’s rights.

      FFS, Arpaio’s deputy stole from a defense lawyer, in court, right in plain view of the judge, Arpaio told everyone to fuck off, and the DoJ does nothing.

      1. Yeah, the DoJ will only go so far. Nothing will really change unless the whole system is reworked. As others mention, the judges who sign off on the bad warrants are big players too in this sort of thing. And police culture generally. And I’m sure the same kind of thing (weak or fraudulent warrants) happens all the time. But nobody looks unless something awful like this gets some attention from the public.
        It’s nice to see someone charged with murder in something like this, but I’m not too optimistic that much will change.

  6. He could be sentenced to the maximum allowed or eat his gun, it won’t matter. This is a systemic problem and Goines appears simply to be a guilty scapegoat. His criminal offense in Acevedo’s eyes is not doubt that he got caught.

  7. . . . charges of Felony Murder

    I suppose its a start – but felony murder is basically saying that they don’t think these guys actually murdered these people.

    1. No, it is basically saying that even though Goines didnt fire the shots that killed them, he is responsible for their deaths. Not just responsible for their desths, culpable in the murder of innocents. Since they couldnt charge him with War Crimes, it is the strongest action possible.

      The commentariat here is dumber than a pallet of shit bricks whenever law enforcement is involved. I was expecting near universal celebration of this decision. Instead, griping about how every single one of the 300,000 cops on America isnt charged also.

      1. Where’d you get 300,000 from? It’s much closer to a full million.

        1. Out of my ass. My point still stands. Pure idiocy here.

          I considered myself pretty leery of cops and down on Law Enforcement overall, until I got here.
          I know cops. I kbow grest ones. i know average guys who are cops, I know shitheads who are cops. I also know the big citg ones deal with the worst of hunanity constantly.
          The percentage of bad cops is not too far off from the percentage of bad accountants or bad auto mechanics.
          The only category of citizens that has a significantly higher percentage of sociopaths is Reason Commentors.

          1. The only category of citizens that has a significantly higher percentage of sociopaths is Reason Commentors.

            Not going to lie, I literally laughed out loud when I read this.

            Its a cathartic thing sometimes to complain, at least I know it is with me. Sometimes I get wound up about a select few topics and it can be cathartic to be like “fuck ’em all, they’re all absolute garbage.” I’ve even been an asshole to a few commenters here on some of those days, but I think I’m a little better about it now. In the real world, I know its a complicated mess with good, bad and shit. I’ve have a few cops in one of my local sports leagues, they’re okay I guess.

          2. No, there are bad cops and get-along cops. Any so-called good cop who doesn’t report the bad cops (you know, the ones who plant drugs, shoot dogs, and generally act like thugs) is a bad cop.

            This is not like accounting. This is life and death, and power tripping. How many accountants get a boner from defrauding clients? How many other accountants look the other way?

            There was some investigation of the California Highway Patrol recently, whether the whole outfit or just one office, I do not know. 95% of cops who retired had fake disabilities in the last few months in office so they could get the full tax-free disability pension. How many other cops transferred in and out of there knew about that? How many of them reported it?

            The only good cops are the naive rookies who haven’t had a chance to report the bad cops. Any cop with over 5 years employment is a bad cop.

            1. I don’t need a dipshit explanation who thinks every force in every jurisdiction is analogous to the LA Confidential detective squad

          3. That’s not completely unfair, but I think you miss (or don’t appreciate) the point of a lot of the attitude about law enforcement. There are two big reasons why a lot of libertarians don’t buy the “few bad apples” thing with cops.
            First, they are enforcing unjust laws and are complicit in that. For the hard core individualists, just doing your job or being justified under the law aren’t valid excuses. Every individual is responsible for his own actions and actions must be judged as those of the individual, not of a collective or of government. A lot of people don’t see things this way, but it’s not an unreasonable moral philosophy.
            Second, a lot of police seem to be complicit through silence, or active attempts to protect their fellow officers. I’m sure most cops aren’t sociopaths and do just want to do good (though some will argue about that). But the culture of covering for other cops and keeping quiet about misbehavior seems fairly pervasive. I’m sure this guy wasn’t the only one faking evidence. It just stays hidden until something really bad happens.

            That said, it’s great that they actually indicted a cop for murder in a case like this. I don’t think people won’t say it’s a positive development. But libertarians can be a pretty cynical bunch.

            1. ” There are two big reasons why a lot of libertarians don’t buy the “few bad apples” thing with cops.”

              Third, the full saying that comes from is “a few bad apples spoil the whole barrel”.

              There is a reason for this. Rot/corruption is contagious. If you don’t get rid of the bad apples early and decisively, the rot spreads.

          4. “I know cops. I kbow grest ones.“

            No you don’t.

            1. Wouldn’t it be grest if “I kbow grest ones” goes – you kbow – the v-word.

          5. Take the salty pignuts out of your mouth, Nash.

          6. Pretty sure the bad accountants aren’t protected by a union paid for out of dues fleeced almost directly from taxpayers who defend bad accountants by saying “You can’t fire him, he wasn’t explicitly trained to know that cooking the company’s books in the particular and specific way he did this time was wrong.”

      2. Felony murder is the weakest action possible.

        Felony murder – sure, it means that the state thinks he’s responsible. But it also means that they don’t think anything he did, from the planning to the execution, actually rises to the level of ‘he intended to kill these people’.

        Otherwise they would have charged him with plain old murder.

        Felony Murder is what you charge people with who ‘didn’t intend’ to kill someone when they committed their felony. Otherwise they get charged with murder – even if they didn’t pull the trigger.

        I was expecting near universal celebration of this decision.

        Why? Because its only there since the HPD couldn’t make their cover-up stick. You know, the cover-up started by the CoP right from the start. Oh, and they let this known corrupt cop keep working for years. And then, when he actually ropes some people in on a fake drug raid they still don’t have the balls to come out and say that this cop murdered someone.

        Oh no, its was just him breaking other rules that resulted in someone’s death.

        1. This seriously makes me sad. “Felony murder” sounded like it was an enhancement, not the opposite…

          1. Okay, so I think Agammamon is mistaken on his assessment. Here’s the wiki entry on the Elements of a Felony Murder:

            In most jurisdictions, to qualify as an underlying offense for a felony murder charge, the underlying offense must present a foreseeable danger to life, and the link between the offense and the death must not be too remote. For example, if the recipient of a forged check has a fatal allergic reaction to the ink, most courts will not hold the forger guilty of murder, as the cause of death is too remote from the criminal act.

            There are two schools of thought concerning whose actions can cause the defendant to be guilty of felony murder. Jurisdictions that hold to the agency theory admit only deaths caused by the agents of the crime. Jurisdictions that use the proximate cause theory include any death, even if caused by a bystander or the police, provided that it meets one of several proximate cause tests to determine if the chain of events between the offence and the death was short enough to have legally caused the death.[3]

            The merger doctrine excludes from the offenses that qualify as underlying offenses any felony that is presupposed by a murder charge. For example, nearly all murders involve some type of assault, but so do many cases of manslaughter. To count any death that occurred during the course of an assault as felony murder would obliterate a distinction that is carefully set by the legislature. However, merger may not apply when an assault against one person results in the death of a different person.[4]

            Felony murder is typically the same grade of murder as premeditated murder and carries the same sentence as is used for premeditated murder in the jurisdiction in question.[5]

            Sounds pretty damn serious to me. Sounds like they want to make an example of him. One thing I will note is they kinda looked like they were trying to cover it up before hand, which suggests a very deep corruption issue. Hopefully we will see more arrests.

            1. One of the key parts: Felony murder is typically the same grade of murder as premeditated murder and carries the same sentence as is used for premeditated murder in the jurisdiction in question.[5]

            2. If I intentionally lied on a warrant, to a judge, lied to my fellow cops, lied to everybody under the sun, and got a SWAT team (was he in on the raid, or die he leave that to his fellow cops) to bust in and kill two people, and shoot their dog, would I be charged with first degree murder? Damn straight. Premeditated right down the line.

              Felony murder is weak.

              1. I’m not a lawyer, so if its easier to get him on this in the court of law, fine by me. The sentence is typically the same as premeditated, so I don’t know what you’re saying is weak? You’re not making any sense.

                1. I made enough sense for you to answer, in a way that made sense.

                  If I didn’t make sense, your answer didn’t either.

                  1. How is charging him with felony murder “weak”?



                The prosecutor doesnt have to worry about proving anyones state of mind

              3. I dont see how anyone could persist in being so stubbornly stupid

                Your LIES were premedistated in that scenario, not the murder

                Felony Murder means the DA doesn’t need to prove premeditation, you are guilty even though the death may have been unintentional

                And in TX, there is no 2nd degree heat of the moment murder, only murder. You either intend to kill, or kill during another felony (both are MURDER), or are reckless (Manslaughter), or are criminally negligent

              4. “Felony murder is weak.”

                Agreed. This from a Texas lawyer’s website- Matthew D. Sharp
                “Felony murder involves committing the death of another person while the actor or actors are committing a serious felony, such as armed robbery. Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow provide a famous example of felony murder. Clyde is in the act of committing a bank robbery when one of the bank guards tries to stop him. Clyde shoots the guard and kills him. Clyde is later charged with first-degree murder. Because Bonnie participated in the bank robbery but didn’t pull the trigger, she was charged with felony murder.

                The bank guard died at the time Bonnie acted as an accomplice in the armed robbery. If Bonnie was waiting in a getaway car when Clyde robbed the bank and accidentally hit and killed an innocent pedestrian, both robbers would face felony murder charges—another person was killed without either individual’s intention while both acted to commit a serious felony offense.
                Chapter 12 of the Texas Penal Code [Section 12.32] describes the penalties for felony murder in the first degree. If convicted, the convict faces punishment of a maximum fine of $10,000, a prison sentence of five to 99 years.”

                Murder surely has a higher penalty than simple Felony Murder. Why were none of the other participants charged with something more serious? Whose bullets killed the couple? Firing through a wall from the outside is certainly reckless given the circumstances here as evidenced by the friendly fired cops.

                1. You are an idiot, Felony Murder is Murder, the Texas Penal Code has been linked, the penalty is the same, because the charge is the same

                  1. Sec. 19.02. MURDER. (a) In this section:
                    (1) “Adequate cause” means cause that would commonly produce a degree of anger, rage, resentment, or terror in a person of ordinary temper, sufficient to render the mind incapable of cool reflection.
                    (2) “Sudden passion” means passion directly caused by and arising out of provocation by the individual killed or another acting with the person killed which passion arises at the time of the offense and is not solely the result of former provocation.

                    (b) A person commits an offense if he:
                    (1) intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual;
                    (2) intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual; or
                    (3) commits or attempts to commit a felony, other than manslaughter, and in the course of and in furtherance of the commission or attempt, or in immediate flight from the commission or attempt, he commits or attempts to commit an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual.
                    (c) Except as provided by Subsection (d), an offense under this section is a felony of the first degree.
                    (d) At the punishment stage of a trial, the defendant may raise the issue as to whether he caused the death under the immediate influence of sudden passion arising from an adequate cause. If the defendant proves the issue in the affirmative by a preponderance of the evidence, the offense is a felony of the second degree.

          2. Felony Murder is Murder. You are listening to an imbecile.

            5 seconds of Googling shows that in Texas, there is Capital Murder ( not applicable ss written), Murder, Manslaughter, and Criminally Negligent Homicide.

            Murder is either a) planning to cause a death, or b) causing a death during thecommission of another Felony

        2. Exactly, doofus, no one can prove he intended to kill those 2 individuals. Because he didnt. He didnt know or care who was in there. He got a phone tip that said “drugs in the house” and fabricated a CI witness to get a warrantbto pad his stats and give him the opportunity to seize more stuff for himself.
          The penalty for Felony Murder is the same. It is not Manslaughter. There was no premeditated murder, and no one could possibly prove their was in acourt of law. But he is gonna get the same treatment as if he had planned an assasination. And you are too dumb to see it.

          1. I can understand some manner of thinking it unintentional, since he did not actually target those two people. But he engaged in behavior which was sooner or later going to kill people. That was intentional. Doesn’t that count as premeditated? It’s not like he was just goofing around with a rifle and shot in the air without thinking. This is more like throwing rocks off a freeway overpass, trying to hit cars, knowing it is likely to kill somebody sooner or later. Sooner or later someone is going to die during a SWAT raid, and it’s premeditated.

            1. It counts….wait for it…. as FELONY MURDER

          2. If I acted as recklessly and with as callous a disregard for the lives of others as these cops did, I would be up on murder charges – Felony Murder would be the backup charge, not the primary.

            This guy is being charged with lying on a statement – oh and that lying got someone killed.

            1. My understanding is that if you get found guilty of felony murder, you are being found guilty of murder. So basically, if his bullets didn’t go into either of these victim’s bodies, felony murder might be a way to go — he filled out the forms, he filed the false documents, etc. that lead to a murder. Felony murder.

              “The rule of felony murder is a legal doctrine in some common law jurisdictions that broadens the crime of murder: when an offender kills (regardless of intent to kill) in the commission of a dangerous or enumerated crime (called a felony in some jurisdictions), the offender, and also the offender’s accomplices or co-conspirators, may be found guilty of murder.”

              If convicted for felony murder, he will be “found guilty of murder.”

        3. actually rises to the level of ‘he intended to kill these people’.

          I’m no lawyer– but sometimes going the full ‘intent’ route is difficult to prove, and the prosecutor has to do what he or she thinks can win.

          On a personal note, however, I keep wondering what the motive was here. Something’s fishy with this case– there’s no way this raid was a wrong-house or even a horribly negligent mistake. It seems the cops wanted to kill these people and went to elaborate lengths to set this whole thing up.

          It reminds me a bit of the cop that walked into the wrong apartment and killed the guy inside.

          1. Why? There was no felony leading to the killing of Botham Jean, unless accidental trespassing is a felony. I reckon Amber Guyger is guilty of negligent manslaughter.

            1. Whoops! The charge against Amber Guyger was upgraded, after a couple of months, from manslaughter to murder; looks like there’s newer news for me to look up.

          2. Plus as has been mentioned before, felony murder is the default ‘Murder’ charge in Texas. If he’d gone there himself and killed them in their sleep, the charge would be the same. Capital murder is an elevation based on various factors (victim being a young child, victim being a LEO or fireman performing his duties, contract killing, etc).
            Felony murder is the appropriate charge. It’s not a weak charge at all.
            Now, would it be nice if Texas penal code should be amended to add ‘if culprit is an official and deliberately filed false documents that resulted in felony murder, that murder is upgraded to Capital Murder?’ I think so. But that’s not the case yet. Or likely ever, sadly.

      3. The commentariat here is dumber than a pallet of shit bricks whenever law enforcement is involved.

        You know, I resemble that remark and I find it totally instructive.

      4. yeah, this is not something to complain about. it’s what we should hope for in cases like this. he may only be “one bad apple” but at least they’re starting the process.

      5. I agree. This is good news and we should celebrate. Add to the murder charges the reopening of thousands of cases this thug was involved in. I don’t see a downside.

  8. I really hope this goes somewhere. I really do. I’m so skeptical that this will actually end up with the cops and judges being held accountable. We all know absolutely none of the judges that signed the warrants will be held responsible. But at least the cops might end up in prison where they belong.

  9. You are a complete idiot who doesnt have a rydimentary understanding of anything that happened here.

    Felony Murder is Murder. The readon for Felony murder is that there was no premeditation, which would beff infinitely harder to prove.

    1. There was premeditation to lie about everything. It wasn’t some stunt he pulled as a lark.

      1. There was premeditation when I broke into your house to steal your baseball cards and Star Trek collector plates. There was no premeditation when you came home and surprised me and you fell down the stairs during a struggle.
        Its still Murder, hence the Felony Murder rule

        1. Piss-poor analogy. These guys weren’t breaking in to an empty house to steal anything, they were breaking in when the expected the occupants were inside in order to subdue what they were told were armed and dangerous criminals.

          There was premeditation to lie on a warrant in order to set up a no knock raid while telling everyone involved on your side that the other side are armed and dangerous.

          1. You don’t even know what an analogy is. This is how stupid you people are.

            Yes, there was a premeditation to LIE. A lie isn’t a lie if it isn’t premeditated, after all. There was no premeditation to kill these 2 individuals. But because, in TX, the definition of murder includes EITHER intentional killing OR killing in the commission of another felony, they get to charge him with a Murder. Not Felony Murder, Murder. Felony Murder is a definition, not a separate crime with a reduced sentence.

            1. There was no premeditation to kill these 2 individuals.

              Bullshit. The lie was intended to create probable cause for a type of raid wherein the use of lethal force was likely.

              1. That is Criminally Negligent Homicide, Depraved Indifference. It is not premeditated murder, or at the very worst Manslaughter.

                Lucklily, instead, the Felony Murder Rule in the TX code allows them to be charged with 1st Degree Murder.

                I cant imagine being so stupid I couldnt grasp this after it has been explained 8 different ways in the same thread

    2. No. Felony murder is not murder. Its a homocide.

      Unpremeditated murder has its own charge. 2nd Degree Murder.

      Felony murder is the charge used when your felony results – even unintentionally – in a death. Could be a completely accidental death. Could be the instant you yelled at the clerk that this was a stickup he had a heart-attack.

      1. Could be the instant you yelled at the clerk that this was a stickup he had a heart-attack.

        That’s not true from what I read. From the wiki: “In most jurisdictions, to qualify as an underlying offense for a felony murder charge, the underlying offense must present a foreseeable danger to life, and the link between the offense and the death must not be too remote. For example, if the recipient of a forged check has a fatal allergic reaction to the ink, most courts will not hold the forger guilty of murder, as the cause of death is too remote from the criminal act.”

        I think yelling at the clerk would probably be too remote.

      2. At some point, you should also Google the First Rule of Holes


      3. Felony murder carries the death penalty in Texas. That’s as simple as it can be stated. We can’t understand it for you.

  10. You are a complete idiot who doesnt have even a rudimentary understanding of anything that happened here.

    Felony Murder is Murder. The readon for Felony murder is that there was no premeditation, which would beff infinitely harder to prove.

    Charging 1st Degree Murder guarantees an acquital

    1. Dude, 1st degree murder is pre-meditated murder. There are other homocide charges other than 1st degree and felony.

      Things like 2nd degree murder

      “second-degree murder also encompasses “depraved heart murder,” which is a killing caused by a reckless disregard for human life.”



        The prosecutor doesnt have to worry about proving anyones state of mind

        You are so out of your depth, you are now arguing they were too tough on him

        1. Forget about it, Nash.
          It’s Reasontown

        2. Perhaps also, the police won’t have to show ballistic reports showing who shot whom?

          1. That’s not even something the Defense would bring up, Because IT DOESN’T MATTER, because the whole thing, including the deaths, was Goines fault.

  11. Wow!
    Be on the lookout for flying pigs

  12. This whole story elicits a dozen Training Day quotes.

  13. Well, it is a start.
    Let’s hope the correct verdict is reached, whatever it is.

  14. Hey, Reason editors, how about some captions on pictures. I don’t know if the photo here is from today or what.

    1. Some context of why the cops are holding up the pics of people they murdered (allegedly) would be nice.

  15. I propose tarring and feathering, followed by being drawn and quartered.
    The penalties and expectations for government employees should be more stringent, not less, due to the governmental powers wielded by even low level bureaucrats.
    Also, Constitution Avenue should be flanked by gibbits containing the remains of government employees who thought to abuse their positions. Remind the government of who works for whom, so to speak.

  16. Let’s see how far they’re willing to investigate, and if they do a *real* investigation, I wonder what they’ll uncover.

  17. NO! THERE WAS NO EXCHANGE OF FIRE! Take that out!

  18. I wonder if Gerald Goines will lose his pension and benefits or if the union will fight for him, even if the asshole goes to jail.

    1. It’s a union. No telling how far they will go to protect their own.

    2. He gets his pension.

  19. Still waiting for a determination on how all the cops got shot. I’ll probably continue to wait, because the HPD doesn’t want to have to explain it was “friendly” fire.

  20. Now to prosecute all of the other people involved in perpetrating this murder. Order following is no excuse.

    1. You sound exactly like the dumbasses who want to throw gun makers and gun sellers in jail, and Oil Company Execs

      1. Those aren’t like cops at all.

        1. By his theory of “ Every cartoon villain I don’t like who is 6 degrees of separation from the actual guilty party “, it does

  21. Ok, so am we to understand that if these people did sell heroin that killing them was the appropriate response? WTF do cops have to crash into a home like that because of a drug sale?

  22. From the Houston Chronicle-

    At a Friday afternoon news conference at HPD headquarters, a defiant Chief Art Acevedo admitted Goines and Bryant had “dishonored” the badge and the department, but defended the other officers on Squad 15, who he said had acted in “good faith” before being shot.

    “Mr. Tuttle shot at them,” he said. “Nothing in the evidence shows he did not shoot these officers.”

    Prove it. I haven’t seen a gun or ballistics reports. If there is evidence that this man shot 4 heavily protected people from the other end of the house while being shot at, show us the proof. Besides, why does this matter? Murderers were shooting at him and he had every right to shoot back.

    1. Acevedo: “Nothing in the evidence shows he did not shoot these officers.”

      That’s… not how this works. You need to prove that he DID shoot at them. That is literally your job, you Krispy Kreme motherfucker

  23. https://abc7.com/lancaster-deputy-confessed-to-fabricating-sniper-shooting-authorities-say/5491304/

    I told several people i thought this story was fishy and many on other sites said i was a cop hater

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  25. “Here we see police officers holding photographs of their victims.”

  26. It’s great that the article calls out Acevedo, but let’s never forget Houston police union president Joe Gamaldi, who immediately blamed the shooting of the four cops on anti-police rhetoric that paints cops as “the enemy.” Apparently Goines is, in fact, “the enemy.”

    I’ll just wait over here for his apology to the families of the man and woman who were criminally slaughtered by the cops he represents.

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