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The Cops Were the Aggressors in This Week's Deadly Houston Drug Raid

Even if Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas were selling heroin out of their house, the government's violent response cannot be morally justified.

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Houston Police Department

On Monday evening in Houston, a dozen armed men broke into the home of Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas, a middle-aged couple who had lived in the house at 7815 Harding Street for at least two decades. The first man through the door, who was armed with a shotgun, used it to kill one of the couple's dogs. Tuttle responded to the home invasion by grabbing a revolver and shooting the man with the shotgun, who collapsed on a sofa in the living room. As Nicholas tried to disarm the intruder, his accomplices shot her. Tuttle returned fire, and by the end of the shootout he and his wife were both dead. Four of the assailants were hit by gunfire, while a fifth injured his knee.

Many people will be reassured to learn that the men who stormed into the house on Harding Street were police officers serving a drug warrant. I am not one of those people. Let me explain why, starting with some fishy aspects of the official police account and ending with the immorality of responding to peaceful, voluntary transactions with violence.

At a press conference on Monday night, Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo initially said the address of the raid, which began around 5 p.m., was in the 7800 block of Hardy Street, about 12 miles from the actual location. Acevedo said "Hardy Street" three times, and he seemed to be reading the address from a stack of papers. By the end of the press conference, he was saying "Harding Street." Which address was on the search warrant? I am waiting to hear back from the Houston Police Department on that point.*

Acevedo said the the plainclothes narcotics cops serving the warrant "announced themselves as Houston police officers while simultaneously breaching the front door." Meanwhile, uniformed officers waiting in or near a "marked police unit" outside the house "hit the siren and hit the lights so they knew that police officers were there." Maybe that's true, but it is possible that Tuttle did not hear the siren or did not connect it to the men bursting into his house. It is also plausible that the officers' announcement, which by Acevedo's account happened at the same moment that they were knocking down the door, did not register amid the noise, confusion, and shotgun blasts.

"Immediately upon breaching the door," Acevedo said on Monday, "the officers came under fire from one or two suspects inside the house." But as he revealed during a press conference the next day, it was actually the police who fired first, killing what he described as "a very large pit bull that charged at that officer."

When a reporter asked whether Tuttle and Nicholas knew they were being raided by police, Acevedo said "a lot of drug houses have surveillance systems that are better than what businesses use," because "they want to know when the cops are coming." Contrary to the implication, KHOU, the CBS affiliate in Houston, reports that the house had no security cameras, although "a house next door to the Tuttles' home does have surveillance video," and "police took that footage for evidence." Acevedo said the officers involved in the raid were not wearing body cameras.

According to Acevedo, the investigation that led to the raid "began because a neighbor had the courage to say, 'We're not going to put up [with this]. We think that they're dealing dope out of this house.'" That tip was passed on to the narcotics division, which "was able to actually determine" that "street-level narcotics dealing" of "black-tar heroin" was happening at the house. Acevedo said police "actually bought black-tar heroin at that location," although "we didn't find any" on Monday. Instead the search discovered an unspecified amount of marijuana, along with a white powder that police thought might be cocaine, or maybe fentanyl.

"The neighborhood thanked our officers because it was a drug house," Acevedo said. "They described it as a problem location." But according to the Houston Chronicle, Tuttle and Nicholas, who had been married 21 years, "kept to themselves" and "didn't seem like troublemakers." Tuttle's sister, Elizabeth Ferrari, told the paper she talked to her brother, a disabled 59-year-old Navy veteran, last week, and he seemed fine. She had never seen any indication that he and his wife were involved with drugs. "I don't buy it all," Ferrari said. "Not one hot minute." Other relatives and friends "offered similar disbelief."

KHOU reports that "Tuttle apparently had no criminal record," while the only mark against Nicholas was a misdemeanor "theft by check" charge involving $145. After she paid restitution, the charge was dismissed. One neighbor told KHOU "they never had company," while another said, "There was never traffic at that house. Never." Neighbors interviewed by the station said "they never noticed suspicious activity."

Maybe other neighbors had different impressions. Maybe Tuttle and Nicholas really were selling heroin out of their house. But if so, they were not doing anything that justified the government's violence. Since exchanging intoxicants for money violates no one's rights, the police were clearly the aggressors in this situation.

Acevedo tried to disguise that reality by arguing that the illegal drug trade drives violence in Houston. "While people think drugs is a harmless crime," he said on Monday, "the industry is not harmless, and a lot of the shootings we see in our city are drug rips or people fighting over gang territory." But crimes like those are not inherent to the drug business; they are a consequence of prohibition, which creates a black market in which participants cannot rely on legal protection and tend to resolve disputes with violence.

Acevedo used the deadly drug raid as a pretext to push gun control, saying politicians should enact policies to curtail "the proliferation of firearms in the hands of people that have no business having guns." The only specific example he mentioned was requiring background checks for anyone who buys a firearm at a gun show, whether or not the seller is a federally licensed dealer. But if the local press reports are correct, neither Tuttle nor Nicholas had a criminal record that would have disqualified them from owning guns.

In addition to the .357 Magnum revolver that Tuttle reportedly fired, police found two 12-gauge shotguns, a 20-gauge shotgun, a .22 rifle, and a Remington 700 bolt-action rifle. That's not a lot of guns for Texas, and there is nothing about this collection that suggests criminally violent intent. The fact that Tuttle used his revolver in self-defense during a home invasion hardly proves he was a public menace.

Joe Gamaldi, president of the Houston Police Officers Union, seized on the occasion to condemn people who criticize cops. "We are sick and tired of having targets on our back," he said on Monday night. "We are sick and tired of having dirtbags trying to take our lives when all we're trying to do is protect this community and protect our families. Enough is enough. And if you're the ones that are out there spreading the rhetoric that police officers are the enemy, well, just know we've all got your number now, and we're going to be keeping track of all y'all, and we're going to be making sure we're going to be holding you accountable every time you stir the pot on our police officers."

Tuttle did not go looking for cops to shoot. He was responding to a violent attack by men he may not even have recognized as police officers, men who knocked his door in, repeatedly fired a shotgun, killed his dog, and fatally shot his wife. If police officers don't want to be portrayed as the enemy, they should stop acting like the enemy.

*Update: According to a police spokeswoman, the address of the raid, 7815 Harding Street, is the same as the address on the search warrant, which she says will be publicly released soon.

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100 responses to “The Cops Were the Aggressors in This Week's Deadly Houston Drug Raid

  1. “…”We are sick and tired of having targets on our back,” he said on Monday night…”

    Move ’em to the front.

    1. Or learn to code.

      1. We are also sick & tired of Code Jokes!!!

        1. That was funny. You’re not.

    2. We are sick and tired of having targets on our back,” he said on Monday night…”

      Hey, we regular police citizens are sick of having targets on our backs too.

      1. Oops. Should have read “non-police citizens”.

        Time for my old man nap.

  2. Everything about HPD’s story here raises major red flags.

  3. If I am understanding correctly, a bunch of heavily armed men wearing no uniforms kicked in someones door and briefly mentioned they were the cops as they came through.

    That is completely unacceptable behavior on the cops’ part. I can think of few more reckless and stupid things a person can do than busting into someone’s home without warning. The fact that four of them were shot is the completely forseeable result of their recklessness. I don’t care if this couple were made killers on the lose, the cops were totally reckless and stupid and are the victims of their own stupidity.

    1. The cops who raided Roger stones house were more protective then these clowns and that raid was shit show for TV

    2. Plainclothes guys leading the way through the door is so wrong it hurts. If you want the people you’re trying to control in a search warrant service to know you’re cops, it really helps to dress as them.

      And as for the lights and sirens cluing in the residents that was real cops kicking in their door, the neighborhood where the raid took place is a working class shithole. Frankly, I was stunned the deceased were Anglo, given the neighborhood. The point is, when aren’t there sirens and cops around there?

      I fully expect this to get swept under the rug, the heirs of Tuttle and Nicholas to get a modest settlement (if that: there was marijuana found at the scene, along with four wounded cops. I wouldn’t be surprised if the cops managed to get any 1983 suit dismissed on summary judgment), and HPD to paper over the fuckup with generous amounts of medals and commendations to all of the wounded. The guy they were buying the dope from will end up mysteriously dead in six months, floating in Sims Bayou or the like.

      Of course, maybe an old married homeowning couple with no record, really was in the black tar heroin dealing business? Stranger things have happened.

      1. Why does this story make me think of the movie Training Day…

      2. The point is, when aren’t there sirens and cops around there?

        Sunday mornings. I used to live near this area when my husband was in law school- rent was cheap and you get a nice lawn for the kids to play in and since we homeschooled, we didn’t have to worry about how bad the schools were. The business across the street was broken into one Sunday morning and we called the police when the alarm went off. Five hours and several more calls later, after several groups of people came and went with armfuls of stuff, they showed up and explained they didn’t have unit in that part of town on Sunday mornings.

  4. The lack of body cams is problematic.

    1. Acevedo has jumped through legal hoops to keep cameras off HPD officers.

      1. Art Acevedo is a progressive authoritarian thug and bully.

        According to Acevedo, if a woman is carrying a gun, it will be taken from her and used to kill her. It would be better if she were a sexual assault survivor instead!

        Acevedo taking heat online for comments on ‘Campus Carry’

        Quote:
        “We potentially are turning sexual assault victims — that we have a lot of resources to help these young people…turn into survivors through our victims services and so forth into potentially…murder victims,” Acevedo said.

        Senator Brian Birdwell, the author of the Campus Carry bill questioned him on that.

        “Correct me if I’m wrong but it sounded as if you said you would rather have a woman go through rape survival counseling than murder recovery,” Birdwell said.

        Acevedo was quick to correct the Senator.

        “I don’t want a woman to end up…not just a sex assault victim…but ends up being murdered with her own firearm because they haven’t put in the training, the retention, the weapons retention,” Acevedo said.

        1. Maybe Mr. Acevedo can compile a list of instances where a woman defending herself with a gun had it taken away and used against her. Even if he could compile such a list (doubtful) my list of instances where a woman successfully used a gun in self-defense will be a whole lot longer.

          1. “Maybe Mr. Acevedo can compile a list of instances where a woman defending herself with a gun had it taken away and used against her.”

            I don’t think he can. The anti-gun nuts who make that claim never cite data.

            Multiple defensive gun use DGU surveys (some commissioned by anti-gun groups) have shown 760,000 to 3,600,000 per year versus 400,000 to 800,000 crimes using guns by police crime reports and estimates of an equal number of unreported crimes. Government surveys have ranged from 108,000 to 4,700,000 DGUs depending on methodology. And gun laws are more likely to prevent DGU than prevent gun crime.

            (A) I believe it (criminal grabbing defenders gun) happens about as often as a victim of an armed attack taking the attacker”s weapon (gun, knife, whatever) and using it against them. The exception not the general rule.

            (B) Weapons retention is a police training issue because the police often hold a person under arrest at gun point. Usually a self-defender with a gun causes the attacker to run away (about 95% of the time according to Czech and USA reports). Or if the attacker presses the attack, the someone who gets shot is the attacker, before the attacker gets close enough to grab the gun.

            (C) I have read a few local newspaper reports of residents detaining a burglar or home invader at gun point for arrest by responding officers. I cannot recall a newspaper report of self-defender shot with their own gun. It would be a man-bites-dog story if it ever happened.

  5. Nothing will come of this. Nothing.

    1. The officers will receive accolades and awards. That’s not nothing.

  6. I would like to go on the record saying Joe Gamaldi is a fucking fascist.

    1. Never forget that the President of their union thinks it’s perfectly fine to track and retaliate against citizens for their “rhetoric”. It tells you all one needs to know.

      1. That union President should be deposed and made to reveal more details about this conspiracy he’s operating. He sounds like a mafia boss.

        1. That union should have been RICOed a long time ago.

      2. The Union Hack Officer Grimaldi has the gall to publicly state…”And if you’re the ones that are out there spreading the rhetoric that police officers are the enemy, well, just know we’ve all got your number now, and we’re going to be keeping track of all y’all, and we’re going to be making sure we’re going to be holding you accountable every time you stir the pot on our police officers.”

        Yumping Yoises! That’s sounds like a THREAT! This union thug is THREATING Houstonians whom exercise their FIRST AMENDMENT right to criticize the Government (at any level, not just the Federal), its AGENTS, and to PETITION FOR REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES. “We” (meaning sworn officers of the Houston PD) are going to “Track” dissenters for the “heinous” crime of “spreading the RHETORIC”…and how in the hell does this badged dirtbag PROPOSE to hold police critics “Accountable”?

        I’d say the ones that need to be brought to account are this union thug Grimaldi and Chief Acevedo, and the Mayor and/or City Council…the latter can be VOTED out. I’d have an attorney filing a class action lawsuit against the City of Houston immediately in the Southern District of Texas United States Court under USC 1983 against those two badged bullies.

    2. All union presidents are communists. I mean, your comment is rhetoric but the fact is that unions are communist organizations who use violence, fear and intimidation with a large does “ends justifies the means” to get their way/
      .

  7. ” And if you’re the ones that are out there spreading the rhetoric that police officers are the enemy, well, just know we’ve all got your number now, and we’re going to be keeping track of all y’all, and we’re going to be making sure we’re going to be holding you accountable every time you stir the pot on our police officers.””

    I’m one of those that is spreading the rhetoric that police officers are the enemy (of the people). Here I am. I’m not hiding. Come fuck with me. I’m stirring the pot. Your ranks and the ranks of every police force in this nation is rife with criminals that you choose to protect, over the protection of the citizens you were hired to protect. Clean your rolls of the criminals in your midst and hold them accountable for their crimes, then maybe my rhetoric will change. Until then, fuck off statist!!

    1. Seconded.

  8. Dang. They were really going after Buttle. But a fly got in the machine and changed it to Tuttle.

    1. I was thinking that when HPD released the names of the deceased.

      Kind of fitting, as I’ve thought—after first reading it here, I’m sure—-that [I]Brazil[/I] was going to be the most likely dystopia for this country, not [I]1984] or [Brave New World[/I].

      1. Brazil is one of the best libertarian satires ever made.

        Brought to you by the dark and twisted minds of the boys from Monty Python.

    2. Dang again. Here I was thinking that I’d get to make that joke.

  9. AMEN!

    This whole story stinks like hell, it smells a lot like a wrong-address raid or a lying informant.. The big question I’d like answered is the one about how this raid was triggered by several undercover drug buys that confirmed the people at this house were selling heroin – who exactly bought this heroin? Wasn’t there just a story a while back about an asset forfeiture case where an “undercover informant” (some junkie they busted who knew he could get off if he offered to turn in a bigger fish) lied about where he bought the stuff and, fortunately, the innocent victim had surveillance video showing the guy walking up to his door, standing there a few minutes, and then walking away rather than actually buying drugs as he claimed, the claim that led to the asset forfeiture?

  10. “We are sick and tired of having dirtbags trying to take our lives when all we’re trying to do is protect this community and protect our families.”

    “So what if we kill a few families in the process.”

    1. He could always quit.

      1. He could always suck-start his shotgun.

    2. “So what if we kill a few families in the process.”

      So what if we kill a few innocent families in the process.

      FTFY.

  11. Acevedo used the deadly drug raid as a pretext to push gun control, saying politicians should enact policies to curtail “the proliferation of firearms in the hands of people that have no business having guns.”

    Careful what you ask for, Art.

  12. If you are part of a group that violently assaults someone’s home, maybe it isn’t that weird if they shoot back.
    Just like if you are part of a group that violently invades another country, maybe it isn’t that weird if they shoot back.
    I wish nobody was killed in this clusterfuck, cops or residents. The reckless commando-style assaults these jackasses engage in endanger everyone involved. Since the couple is deceased, we will never know if they knew the assailants were cops when they defended themselves. If the cops all died, would it have been worth it?

  13. Dennis Tuttle

    Ooh, it looks like they had the wrong house.

  14. I really wish the HPD would get back to Sullum with the address on the first warrant, or better yet a copy of the whole thing.

    The neighbor across the street told the press he last saw Tuttle walking his dog about 10 minutes before the shooting.

    Where is it reported the cops weren’t in uniform? Were they wearing “tactical” garb, plain clothes casual dress or the “undercover thug” look?

    1. In the community i live there have been cases where people have dressed like cops to make raids on local pot grows. If the cops show up at your house call the cops to confirm who they are. This may have to become a rule where cops can’t raid until the resident has confirmed on the phone with local police.

    2. There have been written accounts, at the local paper chron.com, its comment section, and in local news stations’ accounts of the raid, that plainclothes officers were among the officers in the warrant service.

      Further, I have read either last night or today, that the buys in question weren’t made at the house, but ‘in the street, near the house.’ Not hard to imagine the cops then took the seller’s word of where he got the heroin as gospel, and conducted their usual sterling due diligence before the raid.

      Which frankly seems a lot more likely than a 59 year old couple, married for 20+ years, homeowners, with no felony record or any criminal drug record, deciding to get into the black tar heroin dealing business.

      Also, rumor has it that Mr. Tuttle may have been legally blind, as well as disabled/medically retired from the Navy, which makes the story of him hitting 4 officers, two in the head or neck, while armed with a .357 Magnum revolver, even more unbelievable. Rumor also has it that shotgun pellets were removed from the wounds of one of the officers; the problem is the police don’t have either Tuttle or Ms. Nicholas shooting one.

      Like Jose Guerena, it’s looking more and more like the dumb bastards mostly shot each other. And the homeowners, of course.

      1. I assumed most all of the injuries were from police weapons. Dead homeowner only had 5 or six rounds.

        I haven’t seen anything on the alleged drug “buys” other than the statement from the police. The dead couple’s house is the only one without a fence on the street though.

        1. He could have had eight, with something like a S&W 686. But yeah, probably 5 or 6. My guess is that he fired once or twice. Though the police claim they were taking fire from him throughout the raid and the initial accounts mention a barricaded suspect. They also mention a third suspect, who AIUI wasn’t arrested or accounted for. Initial accounts are often hazy though.

          My guess, and I don’t know how close it is to what’ll eventually be revealed as what happened—it may be quite a distance from what happened—is that they served the warrant, the dog heard them coming, so was first to the door. Door gets breached, guy with the shotgun in the lead canoes the dog. Tuttle runs in with a gun, and either shoots first, or gets shot when the cops see a gun, but still manages to get a shot into the lead guy, who collapses onto an adjacent couch.

          (Continued)

          1. At this point, the rest of the cops perform a break contact drill, replete with mag dumps into the area. At that time, Nicholas is there, and gets shot. One or two of the cops drag the first guy out, Tuttle manages to stagger away to a nearby room where he eventually expires. At some point during the ‘drag out the wounded officer and suppress fire’ point, three other officers get hit, either mostly or entirely by other police weapons. Maybe Tuttle was able to empty the cylinder back at the officers? Due to the additional shot officers, police are now looking for a third suspect. Maybe the guy they initially bought the dope from, if not Tuttle or Nicholas?

            Eventually, the cops get control of the shooting, grab the rest of their wounded, fall back to their initial perimeter, and get the robot ready to flush out the barricaded Tuttle, who has probably bled out by this point.

            There’s probably a lot of holes in this narrative, but for now, I think that’s what happened.

        2. The cops claim a dude with a revolver shot 4 of them while they were armed with shotguns and ARs. Two cops were hit in the neck. The .357 is a very powerful handgun caliber and a neck shot from that round would come close to decapitating a human being. Hard to believe either officer would survive if it were true. This whole thing was becoming a cover-up minutes after it took place.

  15. I hope if any relatives exist they sue the police for not following protocol. there is no reason to believe a plain cloths person claiming to be cops while crashing through your door are actual cops. cop cars with flashing lights outside can also mean the plain cloth person crashing into your house is the person being chased by the cops.

    But like all these types of raids they are un warranted 99% can be confronted calmly.

    1. Qualified Immunity will come to the rescue.
      QI is the tail that now wags the dog on civil rights lawsuits.
      It is the exception that has become the rule, the actual exception is when it doesn’t apply, maybe 3% of the time if that.

  16. Fantastic summary of everything that is wrong with the war on (some) drug (users).

  17. Thanks for taking the story Mr. Sullum. It seemed like something that Reason would be interested in. Frankly, I trust you to get to the bottom of whatever happened more than I trust local news media to. The story is dropping off their front pages, for what it’s worth.

  18. I’m not that one guy with a .357 revolver shot 4 cops without reloading. I’d bet that the only cop with a .357 slug in him is the first cop. The others will have buck shot and probably 5.56mm wounds from their own guys, which will be covered up.

  19. I still trust the Texas Rangers (the law enforcement agency, not the buffoons who play in an oven in Arlington), and maybe that’s a mistake. But I trust that the Rangers will get to the bottom of who did what to whom, if only because they’re not likely to be a defendant in any deprivation of civil rights lawsuit.

    That’s not going to happen for awhile though, and given the aftermath of the Waco shootout, either the Branch Dividians or the bikers, we may never know what happened during that raid that killed Tuttle and Nicholas.

  20. We will know that something was wrong with the raid If the police start using the “we can not comment as this is a open investigation or pending litigation” talking point.

  21. We will know that something was wrong with the raid If the police start using the “we can not comment as this is a open investigation or pending litigation” talking point.

  22. You know what could help clear some of this up? If I understand it right, the usual pattern and practice for police to get probable cause for a warrant like this is to make a few preliminary drug buys from the suspect. Those buys are supposed to be recorded, these days with audio and video.

    Release a redacted or pixellated video of the undercover HPD officer making a buy from Tuttle or Nicholas. Even one would change the narrative completely of ‘HPD murders two innocent elderly homeowners.’ I betcha that their videos or audio recordings don’t have Tuttle in them at all though.

    Another ironic thing is that I think it was the lead officer canoeing Tuttle and Nicholas’s pet dog with a shotgun—while the act of killing ‘attacking’ dogs is supposed to help officer safety—that caused the raid to go sideways like it did. I don’t know, but I think Tuttle wouldn’t have run from the back and started shooting with his revolver, if he hadn’t heard gunshots. Of course if he ran from the back, gun in hand, the cops probably would have shot him anyway.

  23. “The first man through the door, who was armed with a shotgun, used it to kill one of the couple’s dogs.”

    Well what else could they be but cops? That’s practically roaring into the room with sirens blazing.

    1. They could be criminals, and it seems they were.

  24. Some more questions for our local media: HPD, you say that multiple heroin buys were made before the warrant was issued for this raid. Describe the individual your officer purchased the heroin from. Exactly where were the purchases made? How many shots did Mr. Tuttle fire? Whom did Mr. Tuttle hit with his shot(s) besides the wounded officer on the couch?

    Was Ms. Nicholas armed? Where was Ms. Nicholas in relation to the wounded officer on the couch when the officer who eventually killed Ms. Nicholas made his decision to fire at her? Who fired their weapons on the raid, and at whom?

    What were the officers conducting the raid wearing? Were they identifiable through their clothing as police officers? When did the police identify themselves as police officers, in relation to the service team breaching the house’s front door?

    What due diligence was done to confirm the statements of the drug seller that the heroin came from that house? What did the warrant say: what address, what PC affidavit was attached to the application to obtain the warrant, what effects/objects/contraband and which individuals to be seized were named in the warrant?

    You know, questions like that.

    1. I would not be surprised if all the cops had for the warrant was a “tip” from a “reliable informant” and just claimed they made drug buys.Or maybe it was just the wrong address. Multiple neighbors have said the couple didn’t have visitors and they saw no indication of drug activity.

  25. Imagine how many more deadly raids we can have if we had “common sense”, “sensible” gun legislation.

    1. If guns are outlawed only outlaws can shoot back.

    2. Michael Ejercito, did you used to frequent talk.politics.guns on Usenet?

      1. Yes, I did and I still occasionally post there.

  26. Kicking in the front door of a private Texas home is a pretty stupid undertaking. My guess is that most of these guys were old hats at this, and were used to people simply rolling over and cowering in fear as soon as they breached the door. Police work isn’t a very hazardous profession, so these guys aren’t well accustomed to actual danger, and the idea of some uppity citizen firing back was likely unthinkable. If nothing else, maybe next time these meatheads are ordered to stack up outside someone’s front door in the dead of night, they’ll ask themselves if there’s anything inside that house worth dying for.

  27. That tip was passed on to the narcotics division, which “was able to actually determine” that “street-level narcotics dealing” of “black-tar heroin” was happening at the house.

    “Street-level”? Rather odd that the police apparently had no interest in finding out who is selling at the higher levels. Street-level dealers are as common as mosquitoes, and hardly seem worth a violent raid.

    How much cash did the cops find? I don’t imagine drug dealers accept checks.

  28. A “shoot first, ask questions later” apologist for the police.

    “In that same blink of an eye, the person at the door has his or her one chance to survive through immediate surrender. If the cops hesitate beyond that moment, they get shot. So we should not only understand why the cops must fill the house with bullets at that moment, we should insist that they do so. It’s the only realistic way they can survive”
    In Some Circumstances, Should Cops Show Less Restraint, Shoot Sooner?

    1. Holy shit, that was absolutely sickening.

  29. Looks like it’s going to be a wrong house raid.
    https://youtu.be/9XmflR0MWXc

  30. You’re stoned. This was NOT the cops fault, PERIOD. You sound more and more liberal.

    1. It is if it’s the wrong house.
      https://youtu.be/9XmflR0MWXc

      1. That would be a giant, unbelievable fuck up if true. Hardy street is adjacent to the Hardy Toll Road, which is a major artery for traffic in Houston. It’s the fastest way to get from downtown to IAH airport, for one. Hardy Street is north of downtown Houston.

        Harding Street, where the raid took place, is east to southeast of downtown Houston, and is getting closer to the refinery section of Houston/Galena Park/etc… than anything else.

        They’re literally 10s of miles from each other.

        That’s an inconceivable mistake to make, and I think instead that Acevedo or whoever made the statement, just misspoke.

        1. The Hardy address definitely looks more like a drug house than the Harding one.

        2. It’s much easier to believe that one of the initial officers simply misheard the address. Then they used that incorrect information to get a warrant for what turned out to be the wrong house.

  31. curtail “the proliferation of firearms in the hands of people that have no business having guns.”

    Does he really want to disarm the cops? Sounds like he’s on the right track.

  32. According to the warrant obtained exclusively by ABC13, police believed the occupants were selling heroin out of the home, based on a tip from a confidential informant.

    An officer reportedly witnessed the informant buy heroin at the home on Harding. The informant described a man in the home, drugs and a weapon.

    The warrant identified the home in detail, but did not name the alleged suspects.

    The unnamed man was described as a white male, about 55 years old, roughly 5’11” and 180 pounds.

    1. This is some shitty reporting if they really have the warrant. Maybe saving it for the news broadcast?

      1. Yeah, the facts in the warrant, if true, are pretty damning for Tuttle and Nicholas. Still, no video or audio of the buy? No heroin found at scene is not terribly unusual—dope sellers aren’t Costco—but, as one of you mentioned, no cash at the house? And I don’t remember a 9mm in the list of guns recovered at the house, though perhaps I misread?

        If true, how the hell does a senior citizen married couple get into dealing H? With no priors. Relative in the life?

        1. @Gray_Jay “how the hell does a senior citizen married couple get into dealing H?”

          Well, mom and pop small business IS the backbone of this economy. Hardly justification for cold-blooded murder.

        2. And the latest news revealed that the cops lied to obtain the warrant, the FBI is investigating, and the cops involved potentially face execution if tried and convicted.

          Here’s hoping for a speedy trial, convictions all around, and swift administration of the appropriate penalties.

  33. The full force of the federal government should come down on this group of violent thug cops. Everyone involved rounded up and prosecuted for murder among other charges.

    1. The Chief says they knocked but the affidavit asks for no knock? Hmm.

  34. Warrant describes brown powder heroin in plastic bags and a 9mm semi-auto

  35. Great post Jacob. But watch your back, these pitiful wankers are mean and cruel.

  36. Friends in Houston are repeatedly posting how we should pray for the officers. I’ve suggested that we pray for the families of the victims of police violence and that Houston police stop shooting each other during drug raids gone wrong. My friend count is down a little this morning but that’s okay.

    1. You lost friends on Facebook or cops shot them? Sadly, serious question.

      1. Unfriended though I understand the confusion.

        1. With friends like Faecepuke…

  37. Armed criminals who break into peaceful citizens’ homes deserve to be shot. I’m sorry that the residents did not prevail in this case.

  38. Joe Gamaldi, president of the Houston Police Officers Union needs to be removed from that position asap and the union members need to be the ones demanding it.

    It is mud check time for Houston PD,, are they police officers, or a street gang? Time to choose.

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    No Knock warrants are not now now have they ever been Constitutional. They must stop.
    Shouting “police” when you kick in a door is something any criminal(s) might do, it means nothing.

    I am not up to any illegal activity but I would not think twice about shooting anyone(s) who breached my door.
    I am not going to take even a split second to do anything but identify targets and send lead at them. I would not be looking for badges, words on shirts, and will not be paying attention to any words shouted. No one would.
    I would likely die, and it would be murder by police same as it is in this case.

    —-

    No body cams? I am not buying that. Cams were either purposely left behind or more likely they have disappeared.

    Juries are instructed that if they believe a witness has lied, the jury is free to discount all of their testimony as a lie…..

    1. Texas jurors are also asked during selection if they believe everything the cops say, sight unseen.

  39. When I first heard of the 5 police who were shot in Texas, I noted it as unusual because [1] so many cops had been shot, and [2] because details of how, who, what, where and why it happened were suspiciously missing.

    Then as more information came in, the spokesmen for the cops were still surprisingly shy as to details.
    Then when more details did come in, they don’t seem to add up.
    Cops did not announce, shot the dog before anything else, no drugs found, the citizens killed were a 27 year married couple who were veterans with no crim history.
    Friends, relatives and neighbors report they can’t understand what happened or why, that they were law abiding citizens.
    There is little buzz on the internet as to their side of the story, search returns mostly swamped by the police’s side of the story.

    I am thinking this was a raid gone bad, not because of the cops’ injuries, but because the investigation and execution generating the raid was flawed. More information will be coming and we’ll see. Something just doesn’t smell right.

  40. Whose dog would Jesus shoot?

  41. Cops are killers, plain and simple. Once they kill, they get to control the crime scene, tamper with evidence, selectively save or delete video. It’s just too much power to keep an organization from becoming an remaining hopelessly corrupt.

  42. “white powder”

    I’d wait on a chemical analysis.

    I recall that a Tennessee handgun permit holder on vacation in NYC discovered she had unintentionally left her handgun in her purse and brought it with her. She turned it in at a security station. She was arrested for felony possession of a handgun. Even New Yorkers thought the threat of 3.5 year sentence and felony conviction was a bit excessive. To squelch the criticism and calls for leniency, Bloomberg went before the news media and informed the potential jury pool that the gun was the least of her problems: she had “white powder” suspected to be cocaine in her purse too.

    The “white powder” was Goodies headache powders (acetaminophen, aspirin, caffeine) the tactical equivalent taking a 325 mg Tylenol and 500 mg aspirin with a cup of coffee.

  43. The police told the public it was Hardy or Harding Street.
    It was black tar heroin, well they found “white powder”.
    The suspect had a 9mm, well he had a .357.
    Close enough for government work standards.
    Good enough for a warrant for a no-knock armed raid.
    The first shot fired was police shooting the suspect’s dog (same scenario at Ruby Ridge and Waco).

    Locally we had a gang of home invaders posing as bail bond agents (bounty hunters) and a highway serial rapist using a Crown Victoria dressed as a undercover cop car (all black, hidden blue flashing lights). My basic fear reaction is flight or fight; outdoors, flight; in one’s home, fight. I’ve learned cowering doesn’t work.

    “If you’re the ones that are out there spreading the rhetoric that police officers are the enemy, just know we’ve all got your number now, we’re going to be keeping track of all of y’all, and we’re going to make sure that we hold you accountable every time you stir the pot on our police officers.”
    — Joe Grimaldi, President of the Houston Police Officers Union

    Law enforcement acting like thugs does the safety of police officers no good. It should be criticized. It should be stopped. There should be more tools in the tool box than a sledge hammer.

    I’ve been publicly critical since the 1970 Ken Ballew shooting, MOVE bombing, Ruby Ridge Standoff, Waco Raid and Siege, so no point in shutting up now.

  44. What Gamaldi was really saying was, “just know we’ve all got your number now, and we’re going to be keeping track of all y’all, and we’re going to be making sure we’re going to be holding you accountable every time you,” demand that we hold ourselves accountable.

  45. Who wants to bet on whether or not we ever get to see the video from the neighbor’s surveillance cameras?

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