Former Backpage.com Heads Say Pimping Charges Motivated by Politics, Not Facts
"Make no mistake; Kamala Harris has won all that she was looking to win when she had us arrested."

Backpage.com Chief Executive Carl Ferrer and the classified-ad company's former owners are seeking a dismissal of the pimping and conspiracy charges filed against them in California, which they describe as unconstitutional, unjustified by facts, and a violation of federal communications law, as well as a blatant ploy for publicity from California Attorney General (AG) Kamala Harris. The state "cannot pursue the charges asserted and, in fact, is expressly precluded from doing so under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act," their attorney, James Grant, wrote in a letter to Harris, who is currently running for U.S. Congress.
She can't claim ignorance: three years ago, Harris was one of several state attorneys general who pleaded with Congress to change the law so that they could prosecute Backpage, specifically admitting that, as is, Section 230 "prevents state and local law enforcement" from doing so. Congress said no.
"It is troubling that the State is now pursuing a prosecution you admitted you have no authority to bring," Grant wrote.
Ferrer and his co-defendants, Michael Lacey and James Larkin, were booked for pimping, pimping a minor, attempted pimping of a minor, and conspiracy, based on the state's contention that they know some of the tens of millions of user-generated posts on Backpage.com are veiled ads for prostitution, sometimes involving teenagers. As evidence of this, the state pointed out that Backpage blocks ads explicitly offering prostitution, states clearly that ads in the "adult" section can only be posted by adults, and promptly removes posts that are reported to advertise sex or underage women. In the topsy-turvy logic of the criminal complaint, the fact that Backpage policies are designed to prevent commercial-sex advertising and the prostitution of minors shows that execs actually condone these things, because said policies encourage posters of illicit sex ads to conceal their true intentions.
"The AG's Complaint and theory of prosecution are frankly outrageous," state the defendants in a formal objection to the changes, filed October 19. "The basis for the AG's charges is that third-party users posted ads on Backpage.com, and the AG's office determined by responding to the ads that the users were offering prostitution."
In total the complaint mentions nine ads, for which Backpage received $79.60. It does not allege that Ferrer, Lacey, or Larkin knew the ad-posters were discreetly offering sex for cash, knew the ad posters personally at all, had ever seen the ads in question, or had any direct knowledge of these ads.
In his letter to the AG, the Backpage attorney notes that a recent federal court ruling against the Sheriff of Cook County, Illinois, "reject[ed] much the same theories that [California] asserts here," and that the U.S. Supreme Court has long recognized that "states cannot punish parties that publish or distribute speech without proving they had knowledge of illegality." In addition, "Section 230 expressly preempts all inconsistent civil and criminal state laws," he notes. "Literally hundreds of cases have applied and underscored the broad immunity that Section 230 provides and that Congress intended so as to avoid government interference— especially by state authorities—that would chill free speech on the Internet."
Backpage itself has fought for these rights many times, winning cases in federal courts in New Jersey, Massachusetts, Washington, Tennessee, Illinois, and Missouri. But knowing the law is on their side "was of modest comfort," said Lacey and Larkin, "as we were being booked into the Sacramento County jail and paraded in front of the press in orange jump suits last week on a charge Ms. Harris knew she had no legal authority to bring when she brought it."
The former Backpage owners suggested that California's AG knows she won't prevail here but doesn't care because conviction isn't the point. Their arrest in early October generated massive publicity for Harris just before the election, almost universally portraying her actions in a positive light.
"Make no mistake; Kamala Harris has won all that she was looking to win when she had us arrested," state Lacey and Larkin. "She issued her sanctimonious public statement, controlled her media cycle and got her 'perp walk' on the evening news. … And if the polls are any indication, Harris will be warmly ensconced in the United States Senate by the time her blatant violations of the First Amendment and federal law are finally adjudicated. She won't pay. The taxpayers of California will."
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Pimping ain't easy, but it's necessary.
In total the complaint mentions nine ads, for which Backpage received $79.60
It's not easy or profitable. Gilmore has spent more on a pair of socks for Pete's sake.
SIV has spent more to hang his truck nutz.
That guy casts the occasional aspersions on Gary Johnson. At least that's the vibe I get.
As long as he doesn't do so under Johnson's "name," he should be okay. See the documentation of America's leading criminal "satire" case at:
http://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/
(Surely "libertarian" Johnson would not dare to defend the outrageous "First Amendment dissent" of a single, isolated, liberal judge in that case, so I think we can all agree that the law is quite clear in this regard.)
I thought SIV has chicken heads hanging from his rear view mirror.
SIV has chickens in his passenger seat, dressed up all sexy.
... and I've heard he masturbates to the warblings of The Pitch Perfect Poultry (SFW), although I wouldn't know anything about that.
It is known.
How does he get lipstick on them when they don't have lips?
He puts it on himself and then he kisses them. Duh.
That explains the lipstick around their cloacas.
Anything Goes When It Comes to Hose
you misspelled "ho's"
(*drops everything, walks off muttering, "...pearls before swine...")
*sigh*
Ok, ok.
But with backpage I was my own pimp! It was easy! This is so frustrating for the self starter who needed a cheap and convenient place to advertise specialized services.
It's like you don't even all the Get-Rich-Quick Bots here who makes enormous sums working from home.
I CAN EVEN!
If I place a backpage add to recruit myself to do sexy things with / to myself, by myself, can I be arrested? Can backpage be arrested for that? If I consent to myself? How much money will the prosecution cost the taxpayers, and do any politicians give a flying fuck about the costs v/s non-existent benefits?
Maybe if you are a teenager and also a boy.
(sigh)
How many times must the same reference be made?
I am thinking this might be personal. Perhaps Kamala found out her husband has been answering waffles' ads on backpage?
Backpage helped Kamala's people delete prostitution ads, and they were thanked and rewarded for their help by being arrested. It makes sense to me.
"No reasonable prosecutor would bring charges...."
That line might have a long life.
Such a nasty woman.
She really is bottom of the barrel. From withholding evidence to this, she brings a special kind of shittiness to the AG office.
So what you're saying is she's perfect Senator material.
Exactly
I'd scrape the bottom of her barrel, if you catch my drift.
I do, unfortunately.
Worry not, it's not antibiotic resistant. Yet. So don't dawdle.
You would use the last of her lube? That's just inconsiderate.
The word you are looking for is "cunt." It's like it was invented for the sole purpose of describing Harris (soon to be Senator from CA - *BARF!*).
My wife is finally taking my "I'm leaving CA when the kids are out of college" rants seriously. She doesn't like spending money unnecessarily, so all the tax increases are starting to wear on her. She really loves it here, so it's going to be tough...I told her I will really miss her. She didn't laugh.
I thought Gary Oldman copyrighted that word to be used exclusively to describe Pelosi.
It doesn't matter that Kamala has no legal standing to prosecute, nor that she is well aware of it. The process of kicking in BP's office doors and seizing their equipment should send a clear message, and the cost involved with cleanup and lawyers should put a dent in their operations.
+1 process that is the punishment
It appears last time this happened to one of them, he was given millions of dollars and all expenses were paid by taxpayers.
http://www.azcentral.com/story...../20483877/
In a sane world, the charges would not only be thrown out, but Harris would lose her license to practice law. And face liability to the owners of Backpage for even bringing the case.
Sentenced to one month of working for Backpage.
Crusty approves!
Just think: you can look forward to decades of Kamala Harris in Congress. In twenty years she'll be the Feinstein of that era.
Or Pelosi.
She seems more evil and less stupid than Feinstein.
Oh, she's running for senate. I can't think of the other shitty CA senator's name right now.
Boxer.
Yep, Boxer. I may be reading you wrong because you seem to suggest that Feinstein is the dumbest of the three -- think that's backwards. She's a Super Genius compared to Pelosi.
Boxer is by far the most physically attractive of the three, you have to admit that.
Dude!
At some point it stops being funny and becomes annoying.
Crusty is dead serious, tarran. Why must you other his sexuality?
It was funny? What's wrong with you?
Probably true. Unless your thing is giant pendulous titties.
Boxer may, in fact, be mentally retarded.
"Those who survived the San Francisco earthquake said, 'Thank God, I'm still alive.' But, of course, those who died, their lives will never be the same again."
"Retards need love, too" - Crusty Juggler
After my little town got tornadoed back in 2011, the local news crew went to the now destroyed trailer park and found the most toothless, meth addled, white trash person available and put him on live tv.
His nugget of wisdom,
We could have all been killed, or worse.
I'm so proud of where I live.
Maybe I get them all mixed up. Or they are all just that stupid.
Pretty much. Feinstein's legacy is banning us from buying sudafed at the airport.
Just in case you were planning on cooking some meth on the plane?
If you have a better way to spend four hours in coach I'd like to hear it.
Is the Mile-High Club not a thing anymore?
I think it counts as terrorism now.
That explains why i keep getting kicked off of flights.
Six of one, half dozen of the other. It'll be the same fatuous pro-forma pearl clutching as she strives indefatigably to curtail liberties. They're statists stamped out on the same assembly line with a single purpose, busybody ninnying.
Just a reminder that Kamala Harris is the sack of shit that had to be shamed by Judge Alex Kozinkski into not prosecuting an obviously innocent man.
Was that the case where she defended one of her attorneys for fabricating a confession?
Shamed is probably not the right word. A sociopath reacting to someone explaining how their actions will not produce the outcome they desire is not really experiencing shame.
Embarrassed? They don't feel shame but they do feel electoral pressure.
If these guys would just donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to Democrats and Kamala Harris specifically like Craig Neumark of Craigslist has done, all these problems would go away.
And if the polls are any indication, Harris will be warmly ensconced in the United States Senate by the time her blatant violations of the First Amendment and federal law are finally adjudicated.
When I mentioned on a previous thread that Hillary will be our president for the next 8 years because she will use all levers of power to ensure it, this type of thing is exactly what I had in mind.
Enjoy the show trials of NRA leaders or oil company executives or whichever minor banking figure falls out of favor and makes for a good scalp to display. Marvel at the ingenious uses of executive power to shore up key voting blocs. Wonder at the capricious use of our military in campaigns designed to show that she cares.
And then she can be indicted, right? Does the high crimes and misdemeanors clause protect you from what you did before you were a senator?
Investigated by whom, the media? Indicted by whom, the AG? Congress?
If she's above the law now... things like the IRS targeting of conservative groups become the new baseline. The only lesson learned is to stop being so openly corrupt on email.
What protects you is the phone numbers in your contact list.
*looks in phone*
"Barber"
"School attendance office"
"ex-wife"
"Office"
So am I good?
You're hairy, your kids are truant, you're divorced, and you don't make work a priority.
I wouldn't say "good", no.
Only if one of them is connected, Paul. And likes you enough to help you out of jam....
*Shakes Magic 8-Ball for each* : "(Insane Laughter)"
You chances aren't good, Paul.
If anyone could make Lorena Sanchez tempting to vote for, it's Kamala Harris. I won't do it, but good lord is she terrible.
We are forgetting what's important here. I'd still rather fuck Harris.
That's true, but it won't impact my vote lol
The important question:
How do you feel about being fucked by Harris?
Once she's in the Senate, we'll all find out, won't we.
Curious, confused and a little turned on.
That does it. California voters should finally put their foot down and vote for the GOP candidate for U.S. Senate.
Kamala Harris will be President one day.
Impossible: We'll never elect a black person for president.
* Obama got in because he's half white...fucking white privilege!
Barry O'Bama? Fucking Micks.
She's only half black too. Will we ever elect a half-Indian president?
And her middle name is almost "Devil". Coincidence?
Will we ever elect a half-Indian president?
Dot or Feather? Methinks Fauxcahontas Warren, ahem, trumps any other pretender with a surname with 22 consonants.
Dot. Harris's mother was from India.
I did not know that.
But see!?, my point has been made: When will we ever elect a genuine black man/woman?
Ridin' Ginuwine 2020!
"Will we ever elect a half-Indian president?"
I swear Lizzie Warren's ears perked up when you said that.
Half, not thirty-second.
the fact that Backpage policies are designed to prevent commercial-sex advertising and the prostitution of minors shows that execs actually condone these things, because said policies encourage posters of illicit sex ads to conceal their true intentions.
By that logic, the government's laws against prostitution actually condone prostitution because said laws "encourage posters of illicit sex ads to conceal their true intentions".
By that logic*, ALL laws are inherently counterproductive.
*Not really logic
the logic is real. the accepted premises are not.
A former police officer once actually told me that if you obey the laws, you must have something to hide.
Yes, obeying speed limits is particularly suspicious behavior. Especially if you have a shitty car, or out of state plates.
You joke, but my dad used to regularly get pulled over for driving exactly at the speed limit in his Audi TT.
One of the staties finally took pity on my dad and advised him to go about 7 miles above the speed limit if he didn't want to keep getting pulled over since "only drunks drive at the speed limit."
I always drive between 3 and 5 over when driving around cops. It really does seem to result in getting tailed less often.
And resist the urge to tap the brakes when you see them.
Absolutely, yes. I was driving 90 on the highway, passed some teenager going maybe 5 over when a cop got onto on-ramp behind us. My radar detector went off, so I downshifted to slow down instead of braking, the teenager meanwhile slammed on her brakes. She got the ticket and I went on my merry way, which is great because I probably would have gotten a ticket and a felony to top it off.
was blasting along freeway in Northern Calif near my home, probably 90+ in old English roadster, full dark out. I saw the Chippie coming the other way, watched his brakelights come on to slow down and duck through the divider and come after me. A bit of traffic after me to slow him down. I buried my foot in the right pedal, turned OFF the lights completely, took a slight left hand turn then the offramp into town. Had to brake HARD to take the ramp, so switched the ignition off to prevent brakelight showing as I stabbed the middle pedal. Made my turn onto the road into town, no traffic, still lights off, then a quick right turn over the tracks and a couple more turns... I saw the copper's lights as he approached the offramp, but I guess he was too busy keeping it shiney side up in the ramp. Turned down a side street, drove onto a friend's place and around behind his house and parked. Shut it down, hopped out, Mac looked out the window (I guess its not every day someone is driving in his backyard at ten PM), I said I'll be back for the car in the morning. He laughed, figuring what was up.
I walked home maybe half a mile through town, saw the copper prowling about looking... spent about a half hour and gave up. I went to bed, walked back to Mac's house next morning and told him the story/ Nicely done, he said. Glad to help stash the evidence.
I'm certain I would have been given the nickel ride and the claws on the car treatment.
I actually wasn't joking. I've heard cops say pretty much that before.
Having a nice car and a suspicious skin color is probably a red flag too.
The 7 MPH thing does seem to be a winning strategy. I pretty much keep to 5-10 over and never get stopped by the police.
It's sad that the only way to not give them a reason to pull you over, is to give them a reason to pull you over. It's not unlike male spiders offering gifts to the females so they don't get eaten after inserting their footpenis. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't, but you need to give them something and hope it satisfies.
Having a nice car and a suspicious skin color is probably a red flag too.
Indeed. Say, what does Collodial Silver Smurf Dude drive?
Only with Lou Reed now.
Driving While Blue is definitely risky business.
If they run, they're VC, if they don't, they're well-disciplined VC!
i will now amend every post about that assclown DA in North Dakota that arrested a Democracy Now! reporter with the dismissal of this power hungry AG's stomping all over the 1A.
that demurrer is good.
glad to see they're going to sue the fuck out of the state.
Kamala Harris is such a nasty woman.
Do you want her to also eat shit? Or do you propose a different playbook for her?
Don't keep us waiting!
She can go fuck herself.
One wonders why these people don't just move their op off-shore.
If it were me I'd have moved the company to another country, contracted a local firm to manage the site and payments, and handled CEO stuff by teleconference.
If your business model is being an online intermediary there's no good reason to stay in unfriendly jurisdictions.
You know who else got arrested even though he moved his operation off shore?
Edward Teach?
To be honest I was thinking of David Carruthers from BetonSports.com, who got nicked when changing planes in Texas.
Plus the feds can seize any local assets and pressure other countries to not do any banking with you. The long arm of the unconstitutional law is long.
That dude with the weird, made up name.
Kim Dotcom?
Yeah, that's the one.
Napoleon?
+1 Able was I ere I saw Elba
That is a good question.
Ask The Pirate Bay and Kick Ass Torrents how that strategy worked out for them. If one jurisdiction can't get you, another is there to pick up the slack.
It's getting to the point where all you can do is find an off-shore oil derrick, set up your operations there, and serve your website to... other people on the derrick with you. And never leave the derrick.
*inserts "Hotel California" soundtrack here*
Say, isn't that *exactly* what the Sea Steaders are proposing? I would hate to think "Waterworid", not "Demolition Man", is the most predictive and prescient movie of our times.
I've been advocating that we should all go on a Reason cruise, take over the ship, and seastead as our own nation. Fist could be our President.
Fine, but only if I get to be postmaster general.
But I am also a general. And its a general's job to by god get things done!
Now you want that mail, don't you Mr. Kramer?
Making whoever gets first post president for life can't really be worse than any other form of governance.
don't forget, whilst at sea there is SO MUCH water about. Everywhere you look away from the vessel upon which you sail, there is water. And water is SO receptive but once you've been received so reluctant to part with such gain.
In other words, Clintons' dream world would be such a place. Any number of folks could/would "disappear" without a trace or explanation. No need to dig holes or transport "evidence?
I've been to other countries.
A lot of other countries suck.
Even the developed ones, even in wealthy areas.
I'll go and think, wow this would be a nice place to retire . . . for part of the year.
Also, if you've got a wife or girlfriend you'd be miserable without, chances are she doesn't want to leave her god damn family behind and go live in another country. She might do it for a while.
A lot of other countries don't have that problem. The U.S. is a nice place to live.
So are Switzerland and New Zealand, but that's why they make it a pain in the ass to immigrate there.
So are Switzerland and New Zealand, but that's why they make it a pain in the ass to immigrate there.
It's because their right-wing government don't take kindly to interlopers bogarting their social welfare state.
"I should be able to flush toilet paper" is a requirement that excludes quite a lot of the world.
- All of SW and Central Asia
I wish a hot poker in the eye of slugs like this AG. She knowingly kidnapped and persecuted innocent people for her own gain. I'm thinking the poker is too kind.
Maybe a device which is typically used to mulch unwanted foliage?
Yes, I think an EpiLady to the naughty nethers would be an appropriate punishment here, Gil. Just for starters.
The poker is too kind.
Once I rise to power, she will be given a lingering death in the boats. In fact, I will not only put her in the back of the line waiting for a set of boats to become available, I will allow her to wait in a box that protects her from the elements. A warm box. A warm and well ventilated box. Thousands of bed bugs for companionship lest she get lonely.
No, seriously, tarran. Try an EpiLady, and get back to me on that.
NOT LINGERING ENOUGH!!!!!!!
I refuse to settle for inferior methods!
STEVE SMITH CALL IT "PRICE OF LOVE"
"Pro' L's Revenge"
"She issued her sanctimonious public statement, controlled her media cycle and got her 'perp walk' on the evening news. ... And if the polls are any indication, Harris will be warmly ensconced in the United States Senate by the time her blatant violations of the First Amendment and federal law are finally adjudicated. She won't pay. The taxpayers of California will."
And people say Democracy doesn't work.
"It is troubling that the State is now pursuing a prosecution you admitted you have no authority to bring,"
Only if you're troubled by the excessive number of nails being put into the coffin of the rule of law. They need to just go ahead and bury that thing, its rotted corpse has been stinking up the place for years.
Backpage itself has fought for these rights many times, winning cases in federal courts in New Jersey, Massachusetts, Washington, Tennessee, Illinois, and Missouri. But knowing the law is on their side "was of modest comfort," said Lacey and Larkin, "as we were being booked into the Sacramento County jail and paraded in front of the press in orange jump suits last week on a charge Ms. Harris knew she had no legal authority to bring when she brought it."
The tobacco companies won lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit, too. If you're an AG, you keep buying those lottery tickets because, hey, it ain't your money and, who knows?, one day you might get lucky. Plus, it makes for good television to be seen "doing something" about a problem, even if you gotta invent the problem. There's no downside to the strategy.
"...a blatant ploy for publicity from California Attorney General (AG) Kamala Harris...."
The woman is worthless for anything other than that.
Kamala Harris claimed she was an honorary sex worker when she spoke with ESPU (erotic service provider Union) when she was running for district attorney years back. It was well known locally she was dating her way into politics so to speak. If Kamala can screw her way into public office why can't we screw our way into paying rent?!
https://youtu.be/9ESutzy1VBk
"If Kamala can screw her way into public office why can't we screw our way into paying rent?!"
Unfair comparison between that scumbag Harris and honorable people.
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