Tonight on The Independents: The Racial Divide, the Torture Report, Demoralized Military, Tom Brady's F-Bombs, Rolling Stone Fallout, Heroes of Freedom, and After-Show!

Tonight's live episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT (with repeats three hours later), will feature the following televised spectacles:

* Hip-hop radio DJ Charlamagne Tha God and Democratic political consultant Julie Roginsky talking about late-Obama-era race relations post the Eric Garner non-indictment.

* Broadcast personality and veterans advocate Montel Williams talking about the "shockingly" low U.S. military morale.

* Co-hosts Kennedy and yours truly (sorry, dreamboat Kmele Foster's on vacay) inaugurating the show's top-25 "Heroes of Freedom."

* A Topical Storm possibly involving furries.

* Roginsky and Independent Women's Forum policy analyst Hadley Heath Manning on the Rolling Stone rape-story fiasco.

* Radio DJ and football fanatic Bobby Bones on Tom Brady's devotion to yelling the F-word on live television.

* Me on the Senate's forthcoming torture report.

* Online-only aftershow at foxbusiness.com/independents just after 10.

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[Fist of Etiquette]

Foster's on vacay and Moynihan isn't filling in? I may not watch this episode.

[Los Doyers]

I've got something for you to watch...

[Fist of Etiquette]

You can watch my knuckles up close.

[Los Doyers]

Moose knuckles? Sorry I'm not Into fatties.

[jesse.in.mb]

Should I force you two into an IRL relationship like I did with Kibby and Serious?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Force not necessary. Distance is the only thing stopping it.

[jesse.in.mb]

So I just need to buy him a ticket to visit and we'll have another H&R couple?

[gaijin]

"It's not the distance that's the enemy, but the endless time I have to wait until I hold you in my arms."

[JeremyR]

Considering all the crap that Montel Williams pitches in infomercials, it's very hard to take him seriously.

[Rich]

For the record, Brady says he's NOT allowed to use the word at home.

Choirboy.

[gaijin]

Here's the story,
of a man named Brady,
who dropped f bombs except when he was home

[Winston]

Obama-era race relations

Nick Gillespie has great predictive abilities. His predictions of a libertarian moment are sure on firm ground.

[Paul.]

It's gonna happen with Millennials. In 3000.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Stuck in my hockey pool. You'll have to go ahead and have the show without me.

[gaijin]

hockey pool. Is that like a swimming pool, only north of the border in the frozen lands?

[Paul.]

Hip-hop radio DJ Charlamagne Tha God and Democratic political consultant Julie Roginsky talking about late-Obama-era race relations post the Eric Garner non-indictment.

Oh hey, is it just me but I seem to recall that in past times, specific names of presidents were mentioned whenever a police force got all swingy with their batons and shooty with their guns when the folks on the bidness end were urban. I don't hear the name "Obama" mentioned much in the media for the recent round.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

INDEPENDENTS, STAND ON ONE FOOT AND HOP UP AND DOWN!

[gaijin]

'up and down' is redundant 🙂

[BigT]

You never hopped down a staircase?

[gaijin]

of course! up and down even.

[Winston]

So I notice that Ed said that charging cops for civil rights violations is in keeping with the original purpose of Reconstruction Era civil rights. The fact that these were enforced by the US Army was unmentioned. So does he support literal militarized police?

[jesse.in.mb]

I'm about to pop Los Doyer's TI cherry.

[Fist of Etiquette]

JUST RELAX AND BREATHE

[Los Doyers]

WHAT IS THIS MOVING STRIP OF LETTERS AND NUMBERS ACROSS THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN?

[Fist of Etiquette]

It's what distracts you while Jesse slips you a roofie. WATCH OUT.

[jesse.in.mb]

You're not supposed to tell him.

[seguin]

Just wrap it in baloney. He won't think twice.

[jesse.in.mb]

He's a classy bitch, maybe applewood smoked bacon?

[seguin]

As long as its artisanal.

[PapayaSF]

The panelists seem to have names like "BOEING" and "BEST BUY."

[Fist of Etiquette]

Prediction: Green

[gaijin]

workout top

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Prediction:

Prediction.

[jesse.in.mb]

GILMORE, wasn't that Orange Pantone card useful for tonight?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Who authorized this "night off?"

[Fist of Etiquette]

Next time, I'll fill in for Foster. Goddammit.

[gaijin]

can you dress nattily enough?

[Fist of Etiquette]

I will dress like a gentleman who is on national television. (Well, as national as Fox Biz gets.)

[BigT]

That's a great idea. Have one of the commentariat sit in as a panelist. i wouldn't do it live, however, given the people who comment here.

[BigT]

I nominate Fist as first commentariat guest - GILMORE can dress him.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Christ, anybody but Fist.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Well then I'm filling in for Dobbs.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Okay. That would be a slight improvement.

[jesse.in.mb]

Does Fox Business have Orientals on?

[Buddy Bizarre]

Jo Ling Kent?

[GILMORE]

Also, Dude = Orientals is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please

[jesse.in.mb]

Fist is a special case.

Also Everyone's A Little Bit Racist, Sometimes

[GILMORE]

Well then, I say call 'em all chigalingy Gooks

[jesse.in.mb]

It's racist to assume all Orientals are Korean, GILMORE. I'm disappointed in you. He could be a Chink, Slope, Nip or some other type of Asian.

[Fist of Etiquette]

BE ADVISED WE GOT ZIPS IN THE WIRE DOWN HERE

[trshmnster the terrible]

Have one of the commentariat sit in as a panelist

"It's time for SugarFree's Stories from a Commenter!"

[Auric Demonocles]

I would actually watch given that. The highlight of the most recent print issue was reading SugarFree's comment in the "Response" section.

[Irish]

What was his comment?

[gaijin]

VJ v DJ

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Cage match!

[Bones]

Is that like BJ v HJ?

[PapayaSF]

There's plenty of destruction in Berkeley, Kennedy.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Well well well. I guess just let Charlamagne slip right into Foster's chair.

[BigT]

He can take Kennedy's place

[Francisco d'Anconia]

THERE IS NO LIBERTARIAN RIGHT!

There is libertarian up.

[Winston]

You Know Which Other Small Party had serious factionalism?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

The Reason Christmas party?

[Buddy Bizarre]

Cosmotarians vs Liberaltarians?

[Winston]

Martini shaken or stirred?

[seguin]

House Party 2?

[Wasteland Wanderer]

The Judean People's Front?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Do they keep it cold in the studio? CTG is wearing a seaman's jacket but Kennedy has the guns out. I'm beginning to wonder if they're actually in the same studio.

[GILMORE]

Kennedy is not part of 'a white community' because she's whiter than white people

[gaijin]

Whiter-shade-of-pale priveledge

[gaijin]

did Kennedy blush at the mention of vagina?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Did she just show Charlamagne the door for talking about vajj?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

There you go Fist. Just be 100,000.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I can go on and plug my erotic website.

[Los Doyers]

Nice thug life Intro

[Fist of Etiquette]

So Los Doofus isn't even going to live blog with us? Figures.

[jesse.in.mb]

Well that's awkward, isn't it?

[Los Doyers]

Don't you get that one deleted too. Let everyone see who is REALLY the doofus.

[Fist of Etiquette]

MY KNUCKLES WILL DELETE YOUR TEETH

[gaijin]

DO you need a little extra money to pay bills?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ha. I can only imagine the shitstorm if you try to unify the services.

[BigT]

Four branches of the military ... but one VA.

[Winston]

The Japs may be the opposition but the Real Enemy is the Navy.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Jarheads and squids need a beer summit.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The Night's Watch wasn't everything Jon Snow thought it would be.

[Meriwether]

OT: oil prices are plummeting like it's 2008, copper prices are down, chinese growth is slowing, chinese housing market tanking, and a huge sudden growth in the Chinese stock market--looks like a stock bubble fueled by capital flowing out of housing and construction markets. Chinese recession on the horizon? What does that mean forthe global economy?
http://fortune.com/2014/12/08/.....t-soaring/

[Winston]

Tom Friedman, Lew Rockwell and Justin Raimondo have a sad.

[Los Doyers]

United North American Parcel Service

[gaijin]

The Pot

[Fist of Etiquette]

Uh-oh. She's only got one co-host to interrupt. She's going to pile on.

[Los Doyers]

DOES SHE ALWAYS DO THIS?

[Fist of Etiquette]

In case you start to forget she's there.

[Irish]

Kennedy interrupts a co-host faster than a rape hoax interrupts a Rolling Stone reporter's career.

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 8 December 2014

Your Mom-Edition

- Kennedy: The Creamsicle Bikini and/or "The Tang-Top*"; our favorite color for Kennedy for the first half of 2014 makes a late-year return. We're confused because it throws us out of our Seasonal assumptions. We think maybe sleeves would have achieved a more 'Pumkininy'-effect

(*get it? GET IT?? Tank-Top? TANG?...hi-ooooooo)

- Matt: Grey tie; we like. The muted tones are definitely easier-on-the-eyes next to Kennedy's Cornea-Searing glow. As noted in October/November, he might want to try this with his grey shirt and see how that works compared to the Blue/Blue/Blue formula. We think it might be a successful option for a shirt we rarely find much reason to praise.

- Kmele: His "invisible" look is something many try to achieve and fail. He blends seamlessly into the backdrop in a way we haven't noticed since the guy on the Grassy Knoll. Transparency becomes him.

Gratias Vobis Ago

[Los Doyers]

Everyone's an expert.

[GILMORE]

No, just me.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Yeah, just him.

[Los Doyers]

Can I subscribe to your sartorial newsletter?

[GILMORE]

You already have.

Also, that single set of footprints? That was me too.

[Los Doyers]

Sorry, bro, I don't step in sand.

[GILMORE]

I was stalking you, you hover-craft riding motherfucker

[Los Doyers]

THE GILMORE IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE.

[Los Doyers]

Matt has a nice conservative suit on, looks like he's calmed down as the weather gets colder.

[Winston]

So I guess he isn't a cosmo after all.

[BigT]

Dynamo Hum

[gaijin]

hah! Excellent

[GILMORE]

Zappa not only manhandled everyone he spoke to, he did it with style because he had absolutely nothing to prove.

[GILMORE]

Lou who?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Don't worry about it. He's dead.

[GILMORE]

That's so sad. He might have done something had he lived.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

And then he might have been memorialized at H&R.

[Los Doyers]

How much sex do you have in your married life, Kennedy?

[Winston]

Are you Tommy Wiseau?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Oh, hi, Winston!

[Fist of Etiquette]

The ambulance was an automatic!

[Fist of Etiquette]

I don't understand how they thought it was going to end? I mean both the stunt guys and the audience.

[BigT]

Damn, I thought furries were the opposite of shaved.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I think submissive urination was the order of the day instead.

[Fist of Etiquette]

You know who else woke a sleeping giant on December 7th?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Jack?

[Los Doyers]

Was that sleeping giant Ben Affleck?

[Sevo]

Fist of Etiquette|12.8.14 @ 9:40PM|#
"You know who else woke a sleeping giant on December 7th?"

The Nazis when they atom-bombed Los Angles?
What did I win?

[Los Doyers]

PREACH IT SHARLAMEIN

[Winston]

So Catholicism?

[Los Doyers]

The Franks threw the best frat parties.

[Winston]

Frankish scholars had more research skills than Sabrina Erdeley.

[BigT]

Charlamagne the cad... not!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Rolling Stone got too comfortable doing advocacy journalism.

[gaijin]

Alice Rigas...sounds like a disease

[seguin]

OT: Is anyone playing Elite: Dangerous? I can't decide if I should get that or Star Citizen and just be patient for the open world stuff.

[BigT]

Dean, my performance is sufficiently impaired ... by that ounce of gold I scored on Friday ... can I get out of finals, too?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Pressure makes diamonds!

[Los Doyers]

And then you can extract DNA from those diamonds and voila, Jurassic World.

[Fist of Etiquette]

SPOILER ALERT.

[Winston]

Stop Reminding me of the Love Guru.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Agent Bill Maxwell.

[Winston]

So how come no one is talking about the return of SPECTRE or Blofeld?

[gaijin]

Bobby Bones looks like 'Bad Rob Lowe'

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Fuck!

[jesse.in.mb]

Nooooooo

*quails in horror*

[BigT]

We're worried about a word??? nigger. oops!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Professional football shouldn't be televised.

[GILMORE]

The return of the Celebrity-Who's-Not-A-Celebrity Girl-Gabbing Segment

TOM BRADY!? DIRTY WORDS?! OMG GIRLFRIEND?

[Los Doyers]

CALLEJ FUTBAWL

[Fist of Etiquette]

Rainman was a Jewish name?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

That's a good jacket.

Take note, Gillespie.

[Atanarjuat]

Libertarians are like Greek gods...

[Winston]

Vain Incestious adulterers?

[Fist of Etiquette]

I've left bastard demigods everywhere.

[Fist of Etiquette]

They should just release episodes of 24 instead.

[BigT]

Fist, they are all available here. Also, almost everything else you might like.

[Fist of Etiquette]

OMG ILLEGAL TELEVISION

[BigT]

Libertarian TV.

[Atanarjuat]

I'm seriously considering buying an FSU Jameis Winston jersey, just to piss people off.

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Los Doyers. I mean, Lou Dobbs.

[GILMORE]

Ooh, La la, Sass--- DOBBS!!

[Fist of Etiquette]

What the hell. TOO MANY AFTERSHOW PARTICIPANTS.

[Fist of Etiquette]

What does God need with monogamy?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I want that leather jacket.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Cosby's taking it on the chin.

[Fist of Etiquette]

They also don't want the feds crawling up their ass.

[Fist of Etiquette]

What if they're both drunk?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Ah. Rape rape.

[Fist of Etiquette]

We've found our contrarian to fill in for Foster.

[Fist of Etiquette]

How drunk?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Um, no, it's not.

[db]

Is this show thing still going on?

[Fist of Etiquette]

His assertions are falling apart.

[Buddy Bizarre]

I suspect this Bobby Bones is suggesting that Warty is a rapist...

[db]

Is it on a delay?

[Buddy Bizarre]

Web only after show. Its over now.

Replay at midnight EST!

[db]

Oh. I have been recording it on.my dvr for.months now.and.have.never watched it yet.

[Winston]

From Wikipedia, I'm sure this is what Playa was referring to:

The site also said it had interviewed "two Virginia students who claim the victim had lied about sexual assault allegations in the past."

Right now her credibility is pretty low so if this is true then I have good reason to suspect her whole story is a complete hoax.

And..
Also on December 8, the accuser's father gave an exclusive interview to the British tabloid the Daily Mail, in which he maintained that his daughter had been gang raped at a University of Virginia fraternity. The father asserted that his daughter had been mistaken about the specific fraternity and innocently misidentified it as Phi Kappa Psi, though he did not identify an alternate fraternity at which it was supposed to have occurred. His statement seemed to contradict an earlier assertion the accuser had made to the Washington Post in which she stated that "I know it was Phi [Kappa] Psi, because a year afterward, my friend pointed out the building to me."