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What the Japanese Internment Case Teaches About Judicial Deference to Presidential Power

Long-ago debates about executive authority are not as distant as they might initially seem.

Damon Root | 10.23.2025 7:00 AM

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The basic facts of the U.S. Supreme Court's 1944 decision in Korematsu v. United States, which upheld President Franklin Roosevelt's wartime internment of Japanese-Americans, are well-known but still worth a sketch. That is because the case serves as an all-too-timely warning about how judicial deference to executive power has warped American law.

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On February 12, 1942, Roosevelt issued Executive Order 9066, which authorized the forced removal of Japanese-Americans from their homes and communities on the West Coast "by virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States, and Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy." Fred Korematsu, a U.S. citizen of Japanese descent, argued that Roosevelt's actions violated his constitutional rights. But the Supreme Court took a different view, ruling 6–3 that the forced removal and internment of Japanese-Americans was a perfectly lawful exercise of the president's powers.

The Korematsu opinion was written by Justice Hugo Black, a Roosevelt appointee and ardent New Dealer. Black is sometimes remembered today as a civil libertarian, a reputation he earned by sometimes writing forcefully in support of the First Amendment and other provisions of the Bill of Rights. "Courts must never allow this protection to be diluted or weakened in any way," Black wrote about freedom of speech in his book A Constitutional Faith. The First Amendment must be protected by the courts "without any deviation, without exception, without any ifs, buts, or whereases."

Yet this supposed civil libertarian also wrote the majority opinion upholding concentration camps for innocent American citizens. And Black did not even express any public regret over his Korematsu ruling in the decades to come. "It is noteworthy," the legal scholar Stanley Kutner once observed, "that in an interview shortly before his death, Justice Black maintained that both the President and the Court had been right in their wartime actions."

According to Black, the outcome in Korematsu was dictated by the existence of emergency conditions and the resulting judicial deference owed to the executive branch. "The military authorities considered the need for action was great, and time was short," Black declared. "We cannot—by availing ourselves of the calm perspective of hindsight—now say that at that time these actions were unjustified."

Writing in dissent, Justice Frank Murphy, another Roosevelt appointee and ardent New Dealer, argued that the president's actions were, in fact, clearly unjustified at the time he took them. "It is essential that there be definite limits to military discretion, especially where martial law has not been declared," Murphy wrote. "Individuals must not be left impoverished of their constitutional rights on a plea of military necessity that has neither substance nor support."

These dueling opinions capture the judicial debate over executive power in a nutshell. For Black, the judicial scales had to be tipped entirely in Roosevelt's favor because "the military authorities considered the need for action was great." For Murphy, by contrast, judicial vigilance must be maintained in the face of the executive's claims of "military necessity" precisely because such claims might have "neither substance nor support."

In other words, the overriding questions are these: Should the courts defer to the president whenever military necessity or emergency conditions have been invoked? Or should the courts scrutinize the president's actions even when—or especially when—pleas of military necessity or emergency have been made?

This clash over executive authority and its limits is still raging today, of course, as evidenced by the current legal battles over the supposed power of the president to unilaterally send military forces into U.S. cities against the objections of city and state officials; over the supposed authority of the president to summarily deport alleged criminal aliens as an exercise of his war powers; over the president's supposed emergency power to unilaterally launch a trade war; and over the president's supposed authority to launch military strikes against suspected drug smugglers without an accompanying declaration of war or any other form of congressional approval.

Korematsu's long-ago debate about the judiciary's proper role as a check on the executive is not so distant as it might initially seem.

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Damon Root is a senior editor at Reason and the author of A Glorious Liberty: Frederick Douglass and the Fight for an Antislavery Constitution (Potomac Books). His next book, Emancipation War: The Fall of Slavery and the Coming of the Thirteenth Amendment (Potomac Books), will be published in June 2026.

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  1. Adans smith   2 months ago

    There were so many awful, freedom destroying policies un der FDR it's hard to name them all. This one is at or near the top along with Wickard v Fiburn . And he stole all the privately owned gold in the country.

    1. GroundTruth   2 months ago

      And yet, we still have his ugly mugg on the dime. Time for a change.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        What's a "dime"?

        1. Dillinger   2 months ago

          used to be a small bag of herb but that's not important right now.

        2. Iwanna Newname   2 months ago

          Believe it or not, I remember it as a piece of metal you could exchange at a store for two full size candy bars.

  2. Kemuel   2 months ago

    Black was right to defer to the executive. It’s not the court’s job to determine whether the president’s actions are necessary, only that they comply with the law. The camps were horrible and are a black mark on American history, but that doesn’t mean they were outside the bounds of the law. Japanese-Americans were called to serve, as any American conscripted into the military would have been at that time. The power of the military to remove people from their homes and press them into service has largely been upheld by the courts.

    1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

      So then THIS is why we must ALWAYS defer to the executive! The Supreme POTUS of the FatherLand can declare ANYTHING to be a "shooting war", anyone to be a hostile invading army, and anyone to be a fiend and a pubic enema! THIS is why ALL of those SUSPECTED OF lacking Magic Papers MUST be sent to be tortured in El Salvador, without fact-finding of ANY kind, first, and why the USA Fed-Gov should have "Golden Shares" of many supposedly-private companies, and why the POTUS gets to decide the investments of foreign lands! Snot to forget starting unprovoked international trade wars!

      So THANKS, citizens and SCROTUS, for replacing the USA Cunts-tits-tuition with a DickTatorShit!

      https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/31/trump-announces-trade-deal-with-south-korea-setting-tariffs-at-15percent.html Trump announces trade deal with South Korea, setting tariffs at 15% …
      Trump also said in a post on social media platform Truth Social that South Korea will “will give to the United States $350 Billion Dollars for Investments owned and controlled by the United States, and selected by myself, as President.”

      Trump is now a One-Man Cummander In Chief of the USA economy, and a YUUUUGE part of the world’s economy!!! Thanks for NOTHING for putting this asshole in orifice, ye STUPID “Team R” Tribalist voters!

      1. Kemuel   2 months ago

        I don’t like it either. There should be no such thing as “emergency powers” “war powers” etc.

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    2. MollyGodiva   2 months ago

      If calling up the NG is not necessary, then the call up does not comply with the law. The whole reason of giving the president the ability to call out the NG is when everything else has failed.

  3. SQRLSY   2 months ago

    The POTUS back in the day arbitrarily decided that Japanese-AmeriKKKunts living on the West Coast (butt SNOT those living in Hawaii) were illegal sub-humans, so they were sent to Cuntcentration camps. And the SCROTUS blessed shit!

    Today, Dear Leader arbitrarily decides who shall be worthy of Magic Papers (IF they PROMISE to vote for Dear Leader and minions, and to frequent His Golf Courses and Hotels)!, and who shall SNOT be worthy of Magic Papers! And those who are SNOT worthy, shall be sent to be tortured in El Salvador, without ANY meaningful fact-finding or "due process"! And the SCROTUS blesses shit!

    I do SNOT see the BFD difference!

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  4. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

    Yep trump enforcing the laws of the country, is the same as the internment of the japaneese. Just because the uniparty ignored a law for a long time, that does not make it legal. Do better "reason"

    1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

      Yes, and Shitler was merely enforcing the anti-Jewish (etc.) laws of Shitler's country, too!!!

      Might makes right, right, right-wing wrong-nuts?

    2. Fu Manchu   2 months ago

      Yep, Trump has never violated the law. Because Trump *is* the law. Trying to install fake electors and telling Kemp to "find" votes is perfectly legal. It wasn't until Trump did it but because He's the law, it became legal. Still not legal for anyone else to do it but it's legal for Him. Same with trying to steal $230M of tax money for Himself, bombing fishermen, and singling out His political opponents for prosecution.

      1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 months ago

        Not “fake”, alternate. It was done in 1960, you idiot, and had been done before (1876,etc)

        1. Michael Ejercito   2 months ago

          Woiuld not fake electors mean that the fakes in question were using the identities of the duly chosen electors?

          Were they even accused of having fake IDs?

      2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Lots of sad and retarded cope shrike. Not any specific or intellectual assertions.

      3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        Fu Manchu
        "Yep, Trump has never violated the law...."

        Yep, Fu Manchu has never posted anything at all that doesn't issue from a slimy pile of TDS-addled lying lefty shit.
        Fuck off and die, asswipe.

    3. MollyGodiva   2 months ago

      This post never argued they were the same, just that history can shed some light on one of the legal arguments.

  5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    So, FDR used an executive order to lock up an entire racial group, including US citizens, and take their property. He forced young people into work camps far from home, and treated them like slaves. He coerced banks to support his wild economic reset. And he threatened to pack the Supreme Court. All this, while President For Life.

    But no mean tweets, so all good. Right, Democrats?

    1. Idaho-Bob   2 months ago

      You forget the NFA. The king daddy of gun control precedent.

    2. Dillinger   2 months ago

      questionable on foreknowledge of pearl harbor attack too.

    3. Zeb   2 months ago

      And stole everyone's gold.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 month ago

        Well, I am sure Democrats are fine with that.

  6. DaveH   2 months ago

    One could reasonably argue that there was an emergency back then. It's impossible to keep a straight face while asserting the existence of an emergency today.

    1. Idaho-Bob   2 months ago

      Locking up American citizens is an emergency, but removing millions foreign criminal invaders sucking up billions$ of American resources is not?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        (D)ifferent.

      2. Zeb   2 months ago

        I'm pretty sure he's referring to the war as the emergency. The immigrant situation is a problem, but debatable whether it is properly considered an emergency.

  7. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Yes Damon. All the judges who actually analyzed the laws as written and looked at the actual evidence are the wrong ones, not you. It must be ignorant deference instead of actual legal construction. Good work buddy. Go with that.

    Damon, are you too dumb to realize youre just arguing for judicial supremacy for political reasons? Ask Brazil how that's working out for them. Figure out why maduro put his allies in charge of the courts. Youre arguing to ignore the law as written because you want the law to be what you want it to be instead. Youre the problem here Damon. Ironically yoi also want inferior judges to be above the appeals and scotus because you're arguing from politics and ignorance.

    To think youre comparing execution of laws as written to this because you've been wrong at the outset in regards to the INA and deployment of federal troops...

  8. Longtobefree   2 months ago

    During a war, I see no legal difference between drafting citizens to go live in fields and fight and die and 'drafting' citizens to go sit in a camp and live.

    1. Fu Manchu   2 months ago

      How about specifically drafting Japanese to live in fields and fight and die? Seems like that would violate the equal protection clause. And that's what's analogous to drafting Japanese to sit in a camp.

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Democrats were bad to do this shrike, think we can all agree (except you who defends all democrat actions)

        This has nothing to do with execution of valid laws despite your most retarded attempt.

    2. MollyGodiva   2 months ago

      Where in the constitution does it give anyone the ability to draft citizens for the military?

      1. Zeb   2 months ago

        That's pretty much assumed to be part of having a military. Conscription has long historical precedent. Though arguably the 13th amendment forbids it.

        1. MollyGodiva   2 months ago

          Without a doubt 13A forbids military drafts.

          1. Zeb   2 months ago

            That's what I think, but many seem to disagree, including courts.

        2. See.More   2 months ago

          That's pretty much assumed to be part of having a military. . .

          No powers or authorities are assumed in the Constitution. If the power is not explicitly enumerated then it is not delegated to the Federal Government. This is clarified by the Tenth Amendment.

          1. Zeb   2 months ago

            OK. I'd love it if drafts were considered obviously unconstitutional. But it doesn't seem that anyone in government has ever seen it that way.
            I do think some things need to be assumed, though, based on general understanding of how things operate. The constitution doesn't specifically authorize pretty much anything about how the Army or Navy operates or regulates their members. And I don't think there was much disagreement at the time that conscription is part of how militaries operate.

            1. Jack Jordan   1 month ago

              Zeb, you're much more correct than the people disagreeing with you (esp. See.More re: "If the power is not explicitly enumerated then it is not delegated to the Federal Government."). Amendment X didn't say (or mean) anything like that. But it is better to say that powers were "implied" than "assumed" (because "implied" is the word that has been used for hundreds of years regarding this issue).

              Article I expressly emphasized that Article I vested in Congress the power (and imposed the duty) to "make all Laws" that are "necessary and proper for carrying into Execution" absolutely "all [the] Powers vested by this Constitution in" Congress or vested in "the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof," including the president. Article I also even specified the very powers at issue here: "To raise and support Armies" and "To provide and maintain a Navy."

              The Preamble emphasized that "We the People" did "ordain and establish [our] Constitution" (and constitute the three departments of national government) to "establish Justice" and "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves," including by "provid[ing] for the common defence." Article VI also emphasized that every legislator and "all executive and judicial Officers" are "bound" to "support [our] Constitution" in all official conduct. So when a draft is necessary and proper to support our Constitution (to provide for our common defense), then the Congress can enact such legislation.

              The Fifth Amendment also includes relevant restrictions: "No person" can "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." So conscripts must receive just compensation.

  9. DRM   2 months ago

    The comparison of the National Guard deployments to the Korematsu case is ridiculous.

    Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution of the United States, as adopted in 1789, is utterly clear. Congress has the explicitly enumerated power "To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union". The Constitution thus explicitly provides for the use of the militia for purposes of law enforcement, without giving state and local officials any veto, check, or even voice in such deployments except as Congress unilaterally chooses to give them.

    So, it is absolutely, insuperably the case that if the phrase in 10 U.S. Code § 12406 (3) was "the President decides he feels like it", the President would have the power to "unilaterally send military forces into U.S. cities against the objections of city and state officials" whenever he decides he feels like it.

    The only question in this case is whether the courts can review the President's judgment that "the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States", and if they could review it, what possible facts would justify declaring his judgment wrong. Judicial deference here means that when the only item of dispute is something utterly subjective (how much breaking of Federal law demonstrates an inability by the President to execute the laws?), a judge doesn't get to substitute his own subjective feeling.

    That starkly contrasts Korematsu, where the court declared that "[c]ompulsory exclusion of large groups of citizens from their homes . . . is inconsistent with our basic governmental institutions", but still somehow managed to "defer" its way into not merely allowing such a compulsory exclusion to continue, but upholding a criminal conviction of a US citizen for defying that compulsory exclusion.

    1. Jack Jordan   1 month ago

      DRM, it's manifestly not true that "if the phrase in 10 U.S. Code § 12406 (3) was 'the President decides he feels like it', the President would have the power to 'unilaterally send military forces into U.S. cities against the objections of city and state officials' whenever he decides he feels like it."

      Article VI emphasized that our Constitution is the paramount law and a federal statute can be part of "the supreme Law of the Land" only to the extent that such statute was "made in Pursuance" of our Constitution. A federal statute cannot (without violating our Constitution) purport to give the president unfettered discretion to do whatever he feels like doing.

      The Preamble and Article II are perfectly clear regarding this issue. "We the People" (exercising the power of the People as the supreme legislative authority) did "ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America" to "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves." The sovereign people "vested in a President" only a limited part of our own "executive Power," i.e., only the power necessary to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution." The president's first, foremost and constant duty is to "preserve, protect and defend" our "Constitution." The people never vested power in the president to do anything just because he feels like doing it.

    2. Jack Jordan   1 month ago

      DRM, it's not a hard to see that our Constitution compels judges to adjudicate whether the President has a power that he purports to have to impose on state militias and governments. Article III speaks expressly and specifically to that very point: "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority" and "to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party."

      It's also very worth noting that Article I vested in Congress the power (and imposed the duty) to "make all Laws" that are "necessary and proper for carrying into Execution" absolutely "all [the] Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof," obviously including the president. Inasmuch as Congress has the power to make laws governing all the president's powers, Courts necessarily have the power and duty to adjudicate whether the president is abusing his powers or usurping powers that our Constitution denied him.

      This issue reminds me of the words of Justice Jackson (writing for the SCOTUS majority) in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette in 1943:

      It is "our duty" (the duty of, at least, legislators, lawyers and judges) "to apply the Bill of Rights to assertions of official authority" to fulfill our "task of translating the majestic generalities of the Bill of Rights, conceived as part of the pattern of liberal government in the eighteenth century, into concrete restraints on officials dealing with the problems of [our] century." "These principles grew in soil which also produced a philosophy that the individual was the center of society, that his liberty was attainable through mere absence of governmental restraints, and that government should be entrusted with few controls and only the mildest supervision over men's affairs. We must transplant these rights" to the "soil" of our country in our time.

  10. AT   2 months ago

    upholding concentration camps for innocent American citizens.

    America has never had concentration camps for innocent American citizens. Perhaps you mean internment camps.

    And yes, there is a very stark difference between the two. Which we all know you're intentionally ignoring.

    the supposed power of the president to unilaterally send military forces into U.S. cities against the objections of city and state officials; over the supposed authority of the president to summarily deport alleged criminal aliens as an exercise of his war powers; over the president's supposed emergency power to unilaterally launch a trade war; and over the president's supposed authority to launch military strikes against suspected drug smugglers

    None of these are "supposed" powers. They're powers. You're mad at Trump for using them (that's your TDS speaking, incidentally), but what you should really be mad at is Congress for giving them to him.

    His powers are very clearly written, articulated, and understood. They stop being "supposed" when the States start getting all insurrect-y against federal laws. Simple as that. I know you don't want to hear it Damon, but there it is. And if you're half the lawyer you say you are then you know it.

    And you know what, I can explain it very simply. Drug crimes. Legalized at the State level, still illegal at the Federal. If Trump wanted to - he could swarm in thousands of federal agents to start arresting recreational drug sellers/holders/users. The States would balk, the left media would hurl themselves at their fainting couches, the useful idiots would protest riot (they're blue, after all), Court filings would go back and forth. All of that would fail, and the States would likely start trying to actively interfere, obstruct, or otherwise prevent the enforcement of federal law.

    At which point, Congress empowered the President to federalize their National Guards. And he'd be totally within his power to do so and start rounding up the druggies.

    Period. Full stop.

    That's a thing Congress - YOUR representatives, YOUR strongest voice at the federal level - TOLD HIM he could do.

    And the ONLY way the President loses this power is if A) Congress takes it away from him - which they won't, because they all a bunch of theater kids doing performance art for social media clicks; or B) if the Courts take it away from him - which they won't, because they'll defer to Congress in such matters because Congress is Constitutionally permitted to defer whatever it wants so long as it has an intelligible reason for doing so, and the Court isn't going to second-guess with Will of the People in that regard.

    If you want to stop all those things you listed, you should stop screaming about it on the internet, you should stop pitching your little ACAB pup tents in front of federal buildings and on college campuses, you should stop getting enraged at Orange Man Bad - and you should be calling your Congressman. You should be telling your Governors to be banging on the door of both houses of the federal representation, telling them to rescind that delegation and repeal 10 USC's powers to the Executive.

    But let's face it, the reason you're not doing that - and the reason your ass is so chapped on the subject - is that you know that, right now, even if you did, you wouldn't have enough Legislative support to get it repealed. The same way you don't have enough Legislative support to stop the shutdown on your terms.

    And that has you pissed. Pissed enough to be peddling garbage nonsense like this article. You try to frame it around exploiting "national emergency." But if you've had even one day as a 1L, you know it's not that. It's "unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States." You're not mad at the President, you're mad at CONGRESS - the Congress YOU asked for - for delegating power under 10 USC.

    The same goes for all the rest.

    You're not mad at the President for summarily arresting illegals and for federal deportation processing. You're mad at CONGRESS - the Congress YOU asked for - for delegating power under 8 USC.

    You're not mad at the President for tariffing the world. You're mad at CONGRESS - the Congress YOU asked for - for delegating power under 19 USC.

    You're not mad at the President for bombing narcoterrorist boats. He always had the inherent authority to do that. You're mad at CONGRESS - the Congress YOU asked for - for failing to restrict that power under 50 USC.

    All your TDS - all everyone's TDS - is ultimately nothing more than self-loathing and misplaced guilt. Self-loathing that you weren't engaged enough to seek genuinely Representative Government (instead mindlessly just ticking off Blue all the way down your ballot - if you even bothered to cast one), Guilt over the fact that you abdicated your civic responsibility and became indifferent to what your Legislators were doing and why.

    The reason you all SO MAD about all this isn't because Donald is doing something illegal. You and I both know, Damon, that under the law ALL of this is 100% legit. You're mad, because you refuse to accept YOUR ROLE and YOUR RESPONSIBILITY in it.

    You're mad because he's doing WHAT YOU LET HIM DO.

    This is the consequence of your failure as a citizen. And you know it. That's why you're so mad. Simple as that.

    1. CountmontyC   2 months ago

      Another reason that they won't change the laws is because they want to be able to use these same laws when they are in power. It is only because someone is using them in ways that they disagree with that is causing the temper tantrums.

      1. AT   1 month ago

        And a third reason is that it puts the onus back on them to address the illegals, the trade imbalance (and by extension the economy), and international crime being direct shipped to America.

        A big reason they love to delegate in the first place is so they don't have to risk the unpopular and potentially career-ending responsibility of doing their job.

    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Great post. Damon wont read it though. He doesn't even read the rulings he complains about.

      1. Michael Ejercito   2 months ago

        His byline in the 9th circuit ruling focused on the dissent.

    3. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 months ago

      damn

    4. MollyGodiva   2 months ago

      TDS is a mental illness characterized by believing anything Trump says and defending everything he does. Facts, truth, legality, morality, and what they stood for yesterday are not relevant.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        TDS-addled slimy piles of lying lefty shit have a proclivity for projection, TDS-addled slimy pile of lying lefty shit .
        Fuck off and die, asswipe.

        1. MollyGodiva   2 months ago

          Dude, take a step back and look at the language used by MAGAs compared to normal people and tell me which side is deranged.

      2. AT   1 month ago

        I didn't mention one thing Trump said. I simply stated the law for what it was.

        Sorry you don't like it, but you - you personally - literally asked for it.

    5. MollyGodiva   2 months ago

      Internment cams are another name for concentration camps.

      States are not resurrecting against federal law. That is something the MAGAs made up.

      And the president does not have the constitutional power to decide when to use military force. That is only for Congress.

      1. Chumby   2 months ago

        Tell us again how you demand reeducation gulags for MAGA types.

        1. MollyGodiva   2 months ago

          MAGAs are too stupid to be reeducated.

          1. Chumby   2 months ago

            Do boars have tits?

      2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        "Internment cams are another name for concentration camps."

        No, but they were bad enough. Take it up with slimy piles of lying lefty shit like yourself who worship that asshole FDR.
        And then please, fuck off and die.

      3. AT   1 month ago

        Internment cams are another name for concentration camps.

        Wrong.

        All concentration camps are internment camps. Not all internment camps are concentration camps. Just like dogs have four legs, but not every four-legged creature is a dog.

        States are not resurrecting against federal law.

        They've openly stated that they're intent on actively obstructing the enforcement of federal law. That opens up the Executive's delegated powers under 10 USC. This is not debatable, this is a simple legal fact.

        And the president does not have the constitutional power to decide when to use military force.

        As the CIC, yes he does. You're confusing his powers with the Congressional power to declare war.

    6. jimc5499   2 months ago

      You have to stop hitting them with the Truth. They can't handle the Truth.

    7. Chumby   2 months ago

      Nice. You got to the Root of the problem.

    8. Jack Jordan   1 month ago

      AT, I'll pick the lowest-hanging fruit (your misrepresentation that the President has the inherent authority to blow up alleged narco-terrorists on boats far from any U.S. jurisdiction).

      Trump is killing people for obviously political purposes based on his ipse dixit that they're narco-terrorists (because he merely designated a mere organization as a "foreign terrorist organization"). Nothing about that designation could authorize the use of deadly force against anyone for anything. See "Legal Ramifications of Designation" in https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/

      By Trump's own public admissions, Trump and Hegseth are killing people outside U.S. jurisdiction for no better reason than that Trump is merely pretending to predict a future crime in a U.S. jurisdiction (mere purported drug smuggling). Nothing in our Constitution vested power in Trump or Hegseth to merely pretend to predict a future crime in a U.S. jurisdiction and summarily execute everyone they merely contend is guilty of such crime while they are far outside U.S. jurisdiction.

      The primary problem with the presumption or pretense that Article II somehow put all the powers of government into the hands of Trump is that it makes legislators, judges, grand juries and trial juries entirely irrelevant. That is exactly what all the founders expressly opposed vehemently. In The Federalist No. 47, for example, James Madison emphasized the following (and more):

      “The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many” is “the very definition of tyranny.” “[T]he preservation of liberty requires that the three great departments of power should be separate and distinct.”

      Trump and Hegseth are violating our Constitution by summarily executing unidentified people (without due process of law) whom they have merely very vaguely accused (not even in any indictment) of merely planning to commit an unspecified crime at an unspecified time in the future at an unspecified location under U.S. jurisdiction. By purporting to punish such potential crimes (and enforce federal criminal law) by imposing capital punishment, Trump and Hegseth are violating (at least) the following parts of our Constitution.

      Article III:
      "The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish."

      "The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed."

      Amendment V:
      "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury."

      "No person shall . . . be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

      Amendment VI:
      "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

      Amendment VIII:
      No "cruel and unusual punishments" may be "inflicted."

      Trump and Hegseth also necessarily are violating federal criminal law because they are imposing a punishment (death) that was not authorized by Congress in whatever statute they are pretending to enforce.

  11. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

    So this is Damon's meltdown over the law being applied as written. Pathetic.

  12. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 months ago

    I was fifty something years old before I learned the truth about the Japanese internment camps.
    It was because actual Japanese American citizens had actually helped the Japanese after the Pearl Harbor attack. It shocked and stunned the nation, remained in the headlines and the consciousness in a period that saw the Japanese conquer almost all of SE Asia and the SE Pacific in a little over a month.

    Read about the Nihau Incident, Japanese Americans helped a downed Japanese pilot who crashed on the easternmost Hawaiian island, and held their fellow citizens hostage at gunpoint awaiting his rescue by a Japanese sub.

    Given the overall climate at the time, and the danger Japanese Americans were under from their irate fellow citizens, the decision doesn’t look as monstrous or racist as we’re taught it was now

    Also, there were German and Italian internments as well, for those suspected of divided loyalty. A lot of German-Americans went to fight for The Reich

    1. Zeb   2 months ago

      Yeah, but a citizen is a citizen and all should be treated as individuals, not as parts of an ethnic collective.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        ^+1

  13. Dillinger   2 months ago

    no. for several reasons already stated above.

  14. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

    This is an attempt to (hint, hint, nudge, nudge) falsely equate the Japanese internment to the incarceration of illegals.
    Does not equate.
    Unless they are suspected of other crimes, an illegal can get out of jail free by simply getting their ass back to where they came from.
    The Japanese had no such opportunity; they largely came from here.

    1. MollyGodiva   2 months ago

      "an illegal can get out of jail free by simply getting their ass back to where they came from."

      That is not true. We have reams of times when people are held long after they agreed to deport, and then there are those who are held that are not in the country illegally.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        Cite(s) missing, asswipe, and since, like turd, you never post anything that isn't a lie, you can just admit it. Or fuck off and die.

  15. voluntaryist   1 month ago

    1. Justice Black's reliance of "emergency powers" to deny rights denies all rights, or the adjective "inalienable" is meaningless!
    2. Rights will be denied, IF the victims who are denied let rights be protected ONLY by a few who are exempt from their usurpations.
    3. The first betrayal by those sworn to "protect & serve" is the beginning of the end of rights, order, civilization.
    4. This betrayal must be punished, immediately by "We the People" or it is the 2nd betrayal, e.g., civil suicide.
    Where will it end, if not here & now? The answer is up to us.

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