Why Donald Trump and Josh Hawley Are Wrong To Call for Jailing People Who Burn the American Flag
The Supreme Court ruled decades ago that burning the flag is protected by the First Amendment, no matter how offensive that act may be.

One of the more relevant maxims today, particularly in the age of social media, is the fact that saying the same thing over and over again does not make it a reality. There are many people—across the political spectrum—who should internalize this.
President Donald Trump is one of them. While speaking at Fort Bragg on Tuesday, he re-upped an idea he has floated many times: "People that burn the American flag should go to jail for one year," he told a crowd of U.S. service members in a now-viral clip. "And we'll see if we can get that done."
They cannot, in fact, get that done.
Trump is, of course, entitled to oppose flag burning on moral grounds. Many understandably find the act tasteless and offensive, as is their right. His administration will not be able, however, to address that using the blunt force of the law, as the highest law of the land already protects it as a form of free expression.
This isn't new. "If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment," wrote U.S. Supreme Court Justice William Brennan in 1989, "it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable." That came from his opinion in Texas v. Johnson, in which the Court said it was unconstitutional when Texas used a law criminalizing flag desecration to prosecute Gregory Lee Johnson, who had burned an American flag to protest President Ronald Reagan during the Republican National Convention. Johnson was sentenced to one year in jail. Sound familiar?
Some lawmakers weren't happy with the Court's decision, so Congress passed the Flag Protection Act of 1989. The law prescribed up to one year of incarceration for anyone who "knowingly mutilates, defaces, physically defiles, burns, maintains on the floor or ground, or tramples upon" any American flag. In trying to dance around the Court's recent ruling, legislators got creative and shifted the focus of the law to preserving its literal physical integrity, which they hoped would be seen as content neutral.
They were unsuccessful. "Punishing desecration of the flag dilutes the very freedom that makes this emblem so revered, and worth revering," wrote Brennan the next year in United States v. Eichman. The Court ruled the law unconstitutional.
But what about recent high-profile prosecutions against people who burned the pride flag? There is a reason those cases were allowed to proceed under the Constitution: They concerned defendants who burned flags they stole. Law enforcement should not pursue hate crime enhancements for such offenses—or for any offenses, as prosecutors should be in the business of punishing bad acts, not bad thoughts. But there is a difference under the law between burning a flag you own, and stealing someone's property so you can then destroy it. You have a right to burn any type of flag you want, so long as it belongs to you, whether that be a pride flag, a pirate flag, a Pizza Hut flag, a "NO STEP ON SNEK" flag, an unofficial Antarctica flag (which appropriately looks a bit like a mistake), and an American flag. The list goes on.
The debate here is increasingly fraught in a political climate that has a large appetite for red meat. "I'm with Trump on this one," said Sen. Josh Hawley (R–Mo.), an attorney, on X. "Anyone who burns our flag committing a crime should go to jail—double the sentence. Evidently all of Fort Bragg agrees."
His phrasing is clever. Someone who "burns our flag committing a crime" will already be subject to arrest, prosecution, and jail for the crime they committed, because crimes are already illegal. That includes, for example, stealing and destroying an American flag—or any property—that doesn't belong to you. And, as Hawley certainly knows, if he is "with Trump on this one," then he is on board with prosecuting the expressive act itself, as the president has made clear over and over again.
The latter idea is what some U.S. troops were heard cheering during Trump's speech. Their service in defense of freedom is admirable. But it's worth noting that they take oaths to the Constitution, not to the political moment. As Brennan reminded us decades ago, that document also protects the freedoms of people whose expression you may completely despise; any effort to uphold it has to include your ideological opposites, or it doesn't mean a lot. Perhaps ironically, nothing is more emblematic of that ideal than the American flag itself—and your right to do with it what you wish.
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all are wrong calling for jailing for burning a flag.
If I use a flag as the wick for a molotov cocktail I'm good, right?
No. Haven't we done this already?
I agree in 1989 when everyone was walking around with burning fire sticks hanging out of their mouths…but in 2025 we understand that lighting fires in public should be illegal. Cut a flag or pick up dog poo with a flag…but burning a flag in public should be illegal.
"we understand that lighting fires in public should be illegal"
What? Why?
There tons of legitimate public lighting of fires.
Yup. It is a pathetically lame action, but is not criminal.
The Supreme Court ruled decades ago that burning the flag is protected by the First Amendment
THE Flag... The AMERICAN Flag... or flag-burning in general?
It seems like the right time of year to publicly set ablaze a flag adorned with colorful stripes.
Decades ago means it's superprecedent that can't be reajudicated under different circumstances or even wholly overturned via due process. The no-takesies-backsies clause.
It should be way simpler than that. People generally have the right to burn their own property, no matter how it is decorated, whether it's a flag, a Koran, an image of the king of Thailand or some old newspapers.
Well, there are some folks sitting in jail for burning... um, 'their own property' who might want to get their cases revisited...
Technically, if I lose "my own property" at the bottom of "my own lake" without reporting the fact to the appropriate authorities it's a crime despite two amendments and an actual mostly peaceful boating trip. Even on a public lake where everyone's wearing a life jacket and nobody has any risk of catching fire or drowning, I'm not tragically losing my own property at the bottom of a lake as a threat or disruptive message to somebody or some private group.
The whole "own property" argument is people carrying water for a media that reports a police station burning down as "mostly peaceful" and fact-checks like "You don't actually need a driver's license to buy groceries." and "J.D. Vance was wrong about immigrants eating cats."
Even, as Binion demonstrates, the whole "It's OK to arrest them for criminal mischief or arson, but not free speech." is rather intentionally dishonest stupidity specifically to frame a crime as a protected legal act. The schadenfreudiest part about it is, this isn't really anything new, and people keep carrying water for Binion and the "mostly peaceful" media down the line. This is how we got to the point where it was a crime to show up to Church or a bar but burning and looting in the streets was how democracy was envisioned as per the 1st and 14th Amendments.
I have no idea what you are referring to (though I don't doubt there are many things that would fit).
Was JD Vance wrong as well?
>>The Supreme Court ruled decades ago
probably not but these idiots ^^ get shit wrong three times a week
JD Vance is now and has always been wrong about everything ever. Personally I'm delighted that people hunger for the warmth that Old Glory can provide.
Usually.
Maybe if they refuse to sequester the CO2 they produce?
Meh. Just load up on carbon credits.
But what about recent high-profile prosecutions against people who burned the pride flag? There is a reason those cases were allowed to proceed under the Constitution: They concerned defendants who burned flags they stole.
This is worse than chemjeff or whomever it was that didn’t read their own sources when they exactly and specifically refuted what they were asserting.
is jeff still alive?
Lots of pedophile raids lately... 139 rounded up yesterday.
They should really change the banner to “Don’t let facts get in the way of narratives.”
They could at least have gone you can’t commit a hate crime against Americans.
And shrike is the one who never reads his own links.
Most of the writers here have moved from “not really libertarians” to “completely dishonest pieces of shit that will tell you the sky is purple if they think it will fit their narrative.”
Is it your flag? Are you in a place where it is otherwise legal to burn things? Will burning it not cause any danger to others nearby? If so, burn away. The problem is when people think burning a flag gives you a free pass on any of the other things.
See my comment above…in a few short decades we went from a society in which everyone carried around a cigarette lighter and walked around with burning cigarettes to a society where we don’t allow smokers to annoy others with their disgusting smoke while littering and lighting fires that could injure others.
That’s freedom, baby!
I don't know what kind of communist hellhole you live in, but plenty of people are walking around in public smoking here still.
And I stopped smoking some years ago, but I still carry a lighter. I figure a knife and a lighter are minimal preparation for unexpected events.
This. I detest burning the flag, but you certainly can do so under those circumstances. Blocking a street and starting a fire, US flag or not, should be prosecuted.
I detest a lot of reasons people burn flags, but honestly I don't care (and it is, strictly speaking, the proper way to dispose of a damaged flag). In fact, I might burn a flag if a law tried to forbid it generally.
Now that's rich. Trump & Hawley are renaming military bases to honor Confederate deserters, mutineers & traitors who killed more Americans than Hitler's army did. Yet while they glorify the Confederate flag, they want to posture as defenders of the American flag.
Never trust a man with two last names.
Word to the wise.
Trump has the right to make that statement. He doesn't lose his right to free speech just because he's president. If the courts wish to reiterate that flag burning if perfectly fine by them, they'll do so. But it's not up to the recycled Bernie Bros at 'reason.'
This exactly. I doubt Trump is unaware that it is already legal to do so, or that he actually believes it will change.
As others have written above, as long as it isn't stolen property and is otherwise in a time and place that it is legal to burn, then American flag or not, it's legal.
On your property I believe you can legally burn things. In the middle of the street or a park where it could pose a danger to others? Otherwise burning the flag as an expression is allowed which applies for any an all of them.
Is it more of an insult to fly it upside down? It will last longer for the prolonged statement.
You burned it , it's gone. Minutes later you can't hate on it again. No one else will witness your intense protest. So either you make the flag makers lots of money buying and continually burning them or do something else hateful. Not much logic in these folks at any level. Which is usually the sidewalk height after slithering off the street.
Where's Rick Monday when you need him?
love that guy. for the flag thing and the 1981 playoff homer against Les Expos
Go ahead, burn it. It’s protected free speech. You know what else is protected free speech? Going up to the flag burners and telling them to drop dead and move to another country, or back to their country of origin, if they don’t like it here. Particularly if they're waiving the flag of their country of origin. That's not going to win brownie points with most Americans to their "cause."
Agreed^
The flag represents the right to...burn the flag. That's why only idiots burn the flag.
Wow, I actually agree - no one should be persecuted for desecrating the American Flag. Burning anything on the street, destruction of property, blocking traffic, committing violent acts, however, need to be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law. And, as far as I'm concerned, if one's dumb ass ignores a curfew and does these things, a bullet to the brain on the spot is acceptable too.
You have a right to burn any type of flag you want, so long as it belongs to you, whether that be a pride flag
Nope. That's literal violence. Same goes with burning a Mexican flag or a Hamas flag. You get arrested for threats, intimidation, and hate crimes for that. Throw a brick through a church window, and you're just expressing a viewpoint - at worst, you'll be ordered to pay for the damage to the window. Throw it through a mosque window, and it's terrorism/nazism - and you're going to jail.
Remember - when someone on the right says something offensive, speech is violence; but when someone on the left effectively says the same exact thing, violence is speech.
Don't piss down our backs and tell us it's raining, Billy. You know the reason you want to do that? It's because you can't bring yourself to admit that left-wing activists by and large won't hesitate to be as in-your-face directly offensive as possible; whereas right-wing activists, unless they're fringe Westboro types, just don't do that kind of thing because while they disagree with you vehemently, they still respect you enough not to such brazenly and intentionally offensive things.
You can't bring yourself to admit that virtually everyone on the right are just better human beings than anyone on the left. That's gotta gnaw at you man.
whereas right-wing activists, unless they're fringe Westboro types, just don't do that kind of thing because while they disagree with you vehemently, they still respect you enough not to such brazenly and intentionally offensive things.
LOL. Do you really believe that or is it just another of the petty Goebbelisms you're so fond of?
When's the last time you saw a MAGA chuck a piece of sidewalk at a cop or start a car on fire? Let alone burn a LGBT Pedo flag in the middle of a gay parade?
They fuckin' block the freeways/expressways interfering with people trying to get to where they're going. Way to gain sympathy, lefties.
https://abc7.com/live-updates/tensions-flare-downtown-la-anti-ice-protesters-clash-agents-live-updates/16692645/entry/16699505/
https://nypost.com/2025/06/08/us-news/2000-la-anti-ice-rioters-takeover-101-freeway-downtown-as-self-driving-cars-lit-on-fire-in-chaotic-scene/
Do you have an actual example shill? How about we do a ten for one?
You post an incident of actual POLITICALLY motivated violence by the right in the last decade, and for each example you post I'll post ten of the left. And to make it tougher all my examples have to be far worse. And if I can't do ten to one, I lose.
But no pulling what Buttplug did and posting a bunch of alleged racism incidents and then claiming that all racism is inherently right-wing (which is ironic because after Misek he is the most blatantly racist poster here). Political motivated incidents only.
Having a right and having a right properly respected are two different things.
"People that burn the American flag should go to jail for one year," he told a crowd
Yet when people are getting charged in blue states for hate crimes against pride flags Reason doesn't make a peep.