A Change in Administrations Underlines the Stakes of an E-Cigarette Case SCOTUS Heard This Week
An e-liquid manufacturer is challenging the FDA's "arbitrary and capricious" rejection of flavored vaping products.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has never approved nicotine vaping products in flavors other than tobacco or menthol and probably never will unless it reconsiders the approach it has taken in recent years. But President-elect Donald Trump brags that he "saved flavored vaping" during his first term and promises he will "save vaping again."
The change in administrations underlines the stakes of FDA v. Wages and White Lion Investments, a case that the U.S. Supreme Court considered this week. Triton Distribution, a Dallas-based e-liquid manufacturer, is challenging the FDA's denial of its applications for "premarket" approval of its products, without which the company will be forced to shut down. If Triton prevails, it can stay in business while it submits new applications, and the FDA in the next administration is apt to be more receptive. That would be good news for adult vapers, including former smokers, who overwhelmingly prefer the flavors that the FDA has deemed an intolerable threat to the youth of America.
Last January, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit ruled that the FDA had acted "arbitrarily and capriciously," in violation of the Administrative Procedure Act (APA), by changing the criteria for premarket approval after Triton's applications were submitted. The company's main complaint is that the FDA, which initially told applicants that no particular kind of scientific evidence was necessary, later decided that manufacturers had to cite long-term cohort studies or randomized trials indicating that vaping products with supposedly kid-friendly flavors are more effective than tobacco-flavored alternatives in helping smokers quit.
The FDA also changed its position on safeguards against underage access. Although the agency initially said such "marketing plans" were "critical," it explicitly ignored them in rejecting Triton's applications, saying age verification measures are not effective enough to negate the risk that minors might end up consuming the company's products.
Much of the questioning during oral argument focused on the issue of whether the FDA had in fact changed its criteria. Justices sympathetic to the agency suggested that manufacturers had adequate notice of its concerns about flavored vaping products.
The FDA "has been completely upfront about this," Justice Elena Kagan told Eric Heyer, Triton's lawyer. The agency "has tried to document" that "blueberry vapes are very appealing to 16-year-olds, not to 40-year-olds," she said. But as Heyer pointed out, that claim is inconsistent with survey data indicating that adult smokers who switch to vaping commonly favor fruit, dessert, and candy flavors.
Heyer also noted that his client's e-liquids, which are used with refillable vape systems, are not a common choice for teenagers. Deputy Solicitor General Curtis Gannon, representing the FDA, tried to rebut that point. "Seven percent of youth are still using
open tank systems or mod systems, according to survey results from earlier this year," he claimed.
That is not true either. According to the 2024 National Youth Tobacco Survey, 6 percent of middle and high school students were "current" e-cigarette users, meaning they reported vaping during the previous month. Among those current users, 7 percent said they used "tanks or mod systems." In other words, less than 0.5 percent of teenagers reported using such devices in the previous month, meaning Gannon's figure is inflated by a factor of more than 14.
Justice Sonia Sotomayor seemed even more clueless about the subject at the center of this case. "All of these products contain tobacco, right?" she asked Heyer, who corrected her: "They contain nicotine."
Even after learning that e-cigarettes do not contain tobacco, Sotomayor continued to assume they do. "Other than addiction, why would someone put nicotine into a product and then try to hide the flavor of tobacco?" she asked Heyer. "I'm a little bit at a loss."
More than a little. Contrary to what Sotomayor seems to think, the nicotine solutions used in vaping products do not taste like tobacco unless manufacturers deliberately add that flavor. And her premise that nicotine's presence in e-liquids can be explained only by a nefarious scheme to addict consumers is misguided in two ways. First, smokers who switch to vaping already have a nicotine habit, which they are trying to satisfy in a way that is much less dangerous to their health. Second, vapers like the psychoactive effects of nicotine; otherwise, the "addiction" that worries Sotomayor would be inexplicable.
Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito seemed more sympathetic to Triton's complaints. In response to Gannon's claim that Triton was "not unfairly surprised by FDA's denials," Thomas noted the company's argument that the FDA's regulatory guidance was "a moving target" because the agency "changed the guidance as time went on."
Alito quoted an internal FDA memo, written after the application deadline, that said "the evidence necessary for this evaluation would be provided by either a randomized controlled trial or a longitudinal cohort study." The memo added that "absence of these types of studies is considered a fatal flaw, meaning any application lacking this evidence will likely receive a marketing denial order."
As Heyer explained, the FDA had previously said it was willing to accept evidence from "single-point-in-time studies on 'consumer risk perception' and 'intentions.'" The FDA also said "it would make its determination based on the entire contents of the application." Yet in the end, "FDA admittedly did not assess anything in the applications beyond whether they contained longitudinal comparative efficacy evidence."
The FDA's shifting criteria "sent manufacturers of flavored e-cigarette products on a wild goose chase," 5th Circuit Judge Andrew Oldham noted in January. "Months after receiving hundreds of thousands of applications predicated on its instructions, FDA turned around, pretended it never gave anyone any instructions about anything, imposed new testing requirements without any notice, and denied all one million flavored e-cigarette applications for failing to predict the agency's volte-face. Worse, after telling manufacturers that their marketing plans were 'critical' to their applications, the FDA candidly admitted that it did not read a single word of the one million plans. Then the FDA denied that its voluminous guidance documents and years-long instructional processes meant anything."
In addition to Triton's APA claim, Justice Neil Gorsuch noted, the company arguably had a due process right to "notice and a hearing." He drew an analogy to a restaurant suddenly confronted by a local edict requiring it to demonstrate that its food "provides a net benefit to public health." In both cases, he said, you have an "existing business" whose survival depends on compliance with a new rule.
Unlike a restaurant, Gannon noted, vaping companies are presumptively illegal without FDA clearance, and they continue to operate while their applications are pending thanks only to the agency's enforcement discretion. "I understand that," Gorsuch replied. "I'm not saying you have a right to continue it. I'm just asking: Would you have a right to notice and a hearing?" In this situation, Gannon argued, there is no such right under the Due Process Clause; the only procedural protections are those offered by the APA.
While criticism of the FDA's inconsistency and arbitrary rule changes seem amply justified, the root of the problem is the wide discretion that Congress gave the agency under the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act. That 2009 law charges the FDA with deciding whether approval of a nicotine product is "appropriate for the protection of the public health."
In making that judgment, the FDA is supposed to take into account "the risks and benefits to the population as a whole, including users and nonusers." That, in turn, entails considering "the increased or decreased likelihood that existing users of tobacco products will stop using such products" as well as "the increased or decreased likelihood that those who do not use tobacco products will start using such products."
Although that standard suggests a precise, scientifically informed cost-benefit assessment, it requires highly uncertain predictions and invites value judgments. The FDA concedes the harm-reducing potential of e-cigarettes, which are much less hazardous than combustible tobacco products. But in the FDA's view, the risk of underage use is so grave that it overrides the interests of adult vapers who demonstrably prefer the flavors that the agency refuses to approve.
While banning those flavors might result in more smoking and more premature deaths by undermining the appeal of vaping to smokers, the FDA says, that risk counts for nothing without conclusive evidence. And despite its statutory mandate to weigh "the risks and benefits to the population as a whole," the FDA outright refuses to consider the long-term public heath improvement that can be expected if teenagers who otherwise would be smoking decide to vape instead.
As Gannon explained it, the FDA worries that teenagers will get hooked on nicotine "at a time when nicotine is dangerous to their developing brains" and "may be…sentencing them to a long life of needing to satisfy that addiction." But the FDA's overriding concern about underage consumption is hard to fathom given that e-cigarette use by teenagers has been falling for years.
This year, just 6 percent of middle and high school students reported past-month nicotine vaping. Those teenagers overwhelmingly used disposables or pod-based devices rather than the e-liquids made by companies like Triton, which are sold mainly by specialty shops that exclude minors or online outlets that require age verification. That distinction, in fact, was the basis for the policy that Trump says "saved flavored vaping," which exempted open systems from FDA enforcement.
The FDA is currently taking a different approach, categorically rejecting flavored products regardless of whether they are commonly used by teenagers. That approach is neither fair nor sensible, but it would be legal if the FDA had announced the policy in a timely and straightforward way, instead of pretending that it might approve flavors other than tobacco and menthol if manufacturers managed to satisfy its vague and shifting criteria.
Under the Tobacco Control Act, Heyer conceded, the FDA was not obligated to issue any regulatory guidance at all. The agency could simply have pointed applicants to the statute and let them figure out what sort of evidence would be deemed adequate to satisfy its amorphous and malleable standard. But once the FDA decided to issue guidance, he argued, it created an expectation that applicants could rely on that advice, which it was not free to change without adequate notice and explanation.
Justice Brett Kavanaugh suggested that Triton's lawsuit was unnecessary, since the company could simply reapply to the FDA, perhaps after conducting the sort of expensive and time-consuming research the agency now says is necessary. That is what the company will have to do even if the Supreme Court agrees with the 5th Circuit, which set aside the FDA's marketing denial orders (MDOs) and remanded "the matters" back to the agency.
The crucial difference, Heyer said, is that leaving the MDOs in place would make Triton immediately subject to FDA enforcement. Without judicial relief, he said, "they're going to have to close their doors." And "even though the statute calls for decisions in 180 days," he noted, the FDA "is taking three or four years at least to make determinations on these. [Triton] can't afford to wait that out. If these MDOs are not vacated and remanded back to the agency, they're closing their doors and they're done. This was their one shot. That's why it was so important for FDA when it changed its position to communicate that and give them an opportunity to meet the new standard."
Given its broad discretion under the Tobacco Control Act, the FDA could always say no again. But the same wide leeway also means the FDA could say yes, preserving the flavor options that former smokers have come to take for granted. The outcome depends on whether Trump's pick to run the agency, Johns Hopkins surgeon Martin Makary, decides to change course.
Vaping360 says "little is known about Martin Makary's positions on vaping and nicotine use." But it notes that "vaping industry and consumer advocates" will welcome the departure of FDA Administrator Robert Califf, "a staunch foe of vaping and tobacco harm reduction." And given Trump's comments about flavored vaping products, the outlook seems brighter for companies like Triton and the consumers they serve.
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Think of the children!
Let the parent think of the children. Just keep the state out of it. Unfortunatly, when most people become parents, they end up becoming raging statecucks.
This is where I would post a meme of American Blind Justice peeking out from under the blindfold to make sure she rules in favor of the grand socialist experiment while punching holes in the Constitution of the United States of America with the Sword of Justice. Some power-hungry politician somewhere decided to make a power grab by regulating commerce and no one stopped him. And we are all now suffering from the power grab.
If lady justice wasn't wearing that short skirt none of this would have happened.
Whatever you do, don't point out that this FDA guidance that's being litigated right now was a direct result of Trump getting personally involved in vaping policy. That would be TDS. No, blame Obama and Biden.
Poor sarc. This election destroyed him.
Heh. You lost that argument yesterday, and now you try to sneak it in again and pretend yesterday never happened.
Or was it the day before? Never mind, you losing an argument on facts has never stopped you regurgitating the same lies again.
Let's look at one of the linked articles. I'll bold some of the text so it will be harder for you to lie about what it says.
https://www.newsweek.com/vaping-case-supreme-court-donald-trump-1994082
The Supreme Court (SCOTUS) is hearing arguments today on whether to overturn the Trump-Era Food and Drug Administration (FDA) ban on fruit-flavored vapes.
The current regulations mean that the FDA has the power to deny marketing applications for fruit and mint flavored e-cigarettes.
This FDA ban was implemented during the first Trump Administration in 2019 when youth vaping hit record highs and fruit-flavored tobacco products were seen as a driver in the number of children choosing to vape.
Are you man enough to admit to being wrong, or are you going to call me names like a child?
Yep, same flat argument as before. The legislation starting all this was from Obama, 2009.
The legislation that gave the FDA the power to ban flavored vapes was passed in 2009. Yes. But it didn't. The actual regulation that banned flavored vapes was created, under Trump's direction, in 2019. And what's going before the Court isn't the legislation, it's the regulation. True Trump couldn't have banned flavored vapes without that legislation, but the regulation wouldn't exist if he hadn't directed the FDA to create it. See how that works?
Always defending democrats.
Always.
No. It was not. Trump made a comment 2 months left in his term. Then walked it back. Then Biden supported the ban for the next 4 years retard. When did the regulstook take effect. Biden had zero powers to change direction? That's your retarded argument? I even gave you Biden’s statements yesterday.
Why are you such a dem defender?
So you admit that the regulations were created by the Trump administration, but try to blame Biden for not repealing them? Then you call my argument retarded? Dude.
Died of covid, or with covid? By the Trump admin, or during the Trump admin?
No retard. They were not written by Trump. Or during. They've been modified for years.
A rule doesn't take 4 fucking years to implement from statt to finish you ignorant fuck.
Hey sarc, you supported that whole The Resistance thing right? You supported the first impeachment right? You know those people who worked against Trumps directions?
Also neither link shows how Trump personally crafted it.
Also still waiting doe the law that binded Bidens hands on the matter.
No, no, don't care, never said they did, and you slurred that last sentence.
I appreciate all that you do here sarc.
Yes. You don't care Obama signed the law. Biden agreed and implements the final rule. You blame the guy in the middle who agreed with the rule for about a month. You're raging with TDS.
There's that misuse of the word personally. And total ignorance to Joe pushing it forward and it being sem states who have already banned flavored products. Oh, based off a 2009 law Obama signed.
Just weird.
Besides Sotomayor being stupid and ignorant, the answer is "because they want to and it's none of the government's business."
Why does the FDA approve food colorings and flavors? Why does Sotomayor wear her robe, or indeed any clothes at all?
You claim to not be one of Trump's Deranged Supporters and to oppose the FDA, but when I point out that these bans are a direct result of Trump's policies you go on the attack to defend both Trump and the FDA.
Poor sarc.
Here you go. Sorry for your memory failures.
https://reason.com/2024/12/03/food-and-drug-administration-defends-refusal-to-approve-flavored-e-cigarettes-before-the-supreme-court/?comments=true#comment-10821828
I recall Jesse's dishonest argument just fine. I'm just surprised you fell for it.
I thought you understood that Congress passes laws that allow alphabet agencies to create regulations, and that the regulations being challenged were created during the Trump administration.
I also thought you were opposed to unelected bureaucrats creating regulations with the power of law.
Boy was I wrong about both of those things. You're just another Trump defender.
God damn you're fucking dumb.
Was joe bound by some law to not end this regulation. Yes or no?
This is literally why people call you a deranged TDS Democrat.
Using the dishonest argument being employed by you and Jesse one could say Biden bears no responsibility for any regulations that he directed alphabet agencies to pass. All that responsibility belongs to the president who signed the legislation giving that power to the alphabet agencies.
There's no way in hell you or Jesse would ever make that argument to defend a Democrat, but that's the exact same logic you are using to defend Trump.
You keep saying he Trump directed agencies. He did not. He made a statement late in his term and walked it back. Literally 3 months before he left office. Biden had 4 years to stop it. He did not because he supported it.
You're fucking retarded.
Then again you can't even criticize Joe for hunters pardon. Because you're a fucking Democrat.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-regrets-vaping-policy-vape-ban-personally-involved-azar-2020-1
Now, Trump seems to regret getting himself personally involved in the vaping crackdown. On an impromptu Oval Office phone call with Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, Trump said "I should never have done that f---ing vaping thing," two sources told Axios. The call was on speakerphone.
That took five seconds to find. Fact is that he got personally involved in this. Yes, Obama signed the law giving the FDA the power to ban flavored vapes. But Trump made it happen.
Amazing the lengths you'll go to to defend the man. Truly a cult of personality. Or just a cult.
By the way, now's the time for you to show some principles and absolve Biden of all guilt for regulations passed during his term that were authorized by previous presidents, and to give him credit for tariffs that you defend. Haaa ha ha ha, who am I kidding. You? Principles?
Your link literally agrees with my statement lol.
Are you retarded?
Cite the direct policy signed by Trump sarc.
"Why does Sotomayor wear her robe, or indeed any clothes at all?"
Now I have to get that image out of my mind.
js;dr
Just make it illegal for kids to smoke flavored vapes. Making things illegal works everytime.
They don't want it to be illegal. They want it to be too difficult and expensive for anyone but Phillip Morris to actually get an approval to sell to the market.
JS:DR, so the article might already have said that. But that was the reason that the regulators decided they needed to approve vape juice. Too many little guys making startups in the market and taking share away from the cigarette companies.
Big cigarette companies need the cash flow to keep up the settlement payments.
Pretty much this ^
I posit that Big Tobacco owns some higherups in the FDA.
Vaping is less toxic that cigarettes, yet cigarettes are still legal. It has not been a secret for anyone under 80 years old that smoking was not healthy, so anyone who smoked did so with this knowledge.
Cigarette smoking is addictive in two ways, the one that is constantly focused on is the nicotine which is a chemical addiction and personally this was the easiest part to stop.
The other addiction is behavioral, and sure you can call it a habit. The act of smoking, something to do with your hand, the way the act of smoking makes you feel, etc. This was the hardest part of stopping smoking.
Vaping didn't exist when I quit smoking, otherwise I would have probably used this method to quit. Is vaping perfectly harmless? No, but it's less harmful and less addictive.
In my opinion it is better to vape than to smoke even if vaping is not a great thing. Probably the solution is to not allow advertising or restrict advertising for pharmacological products like most of the entire world and include items such as tobacco, vaping, and cannabis products.
As far a regulation the actual products, aside from a warning label and some age restrictions, if it's not immediately and directly deadly, it should not be illegal. For example, Alcohol is toxic and can kill those who consume it, but it should not be made illegal however restricting it's consumption by age or where it can be consumed is reasonable concerns.
Restricting where people can vape is reasonable, eliminating vaping is not. I would not want to allow vaping on public (government) schools, particularly in the classrooms by anyone. Outside the building or in designated areas would be fine.
If flavors of vaping have toxins, then add these toxins to the warning label. If the toxin is immediately and directly deadly, then and only then don't allow the toxin. We don't want an anthrax flavored vape, but don't have a problem with bubble-gum or pizza flavored vapes.
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What makes you write that?
And are you referring to the act of vaping — heating a substance to inhale its vapor — or is it about the particular substances being inhaled? AFAICT all the commonly vaped substances are truly harmless.
Mt personal experience is that vaping, while much better than smoking, still makes my lungs feel less than great and can irritate the throat. Those may be minor harms, but it's not nothing. But there are tons of things that no one wants to regulate or control that have basically the same effects and that should not be a reason to impose harsh regulations or bans.
There'd be no support for prohibitions of this kind if people knew the concept of addiction (any addiction) was a myth.
Ever since Obama's newly appointed FDA Commissioner Josh Sharfstein unlawfully banned all e-cigarette imports in 2009,
the FDA/CDC/US SG and all other DHHS agencies (and all state health departments due to CDC block grant funding) have repeated four BIG LIES about nicotine vapes:
- Flavored vapes have addicted millions of teens,
- E-cigarettes are gateways to cigarettes for teens,
- E-cigarettes don't help smokers quit smoking, and
- E-cigarettes may be more harmful than cigarettes.
But in fact,
- E-cigarettes have slashed the high school student cigarette smoking rate from 22% to 1% since 2009.
-E-cigs are >99% less harmful than cigarette smoking.
- E-cigs have helped >10 million smokers quit smoking.
From 2016-2019, CDC's Brian King (who now heads FDA's Center for Tobacco Products, which banned flavored vapes and keeps lying about vaping) falsified youth survey data by classifying all teen marijuana vapers as nicotine vapers to deceitfully claim teen e-cigarette usage was skyrocketing.
Then in 2019, King deceitfully lied about state and local data on a new lung disease (that occurred in hundreds of THC vapers who used one brand of contamanated THC vapes) to falsely claim that e-cigarettes (i.e. nicotine vapes) were causing EVALI (the fraudulant name CDC gave the disease to decieve the public to believe that e-cigarette caused the disease).
After requiring nicotine vape manufacturers to submit applications in 2016 to keep their legal products legal (which costs more than $20 million/product, while FDA falsely claimed would cost just $150,000 in its proposed regulation), the FDA has still only approved 5 nicotine vape products (of several million on the market), accounting for less than 5% of US market share.
As such, FDA has banned >99.99% of all nicotine vapor products (by simply rejecting their applications), which has only protected cigarette sales/revenues and threatened the lives of the 10% of Americans who continue to smoke).
Also note that Neal Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh were on the DC Appeals Court that struck down FDA's 2009 e-cig ban.