Grocery Store Booze Doesn't Hurt Mom-and-Pop Stores
But 11 states still forbid wine from being sold in grocery stores anyway.

Lost amid the drive to expand alcohol delivery in the wake of COVID-19 has been the corresponding push—actually starting even before the pandemic—to allow more types of stores to sell alcohol. While more and more states have allowed grocery stores to sell booze in recent years, these efforts have been fiercely resisted by independent liquor store owners who claim that their small businesses will be forced to shutter if large chain retailers are suddenly able to sell alcohol.
Up until now, these debates have largely been devoid of actual data, but new empirical research has been published showing that grocery store alcohol sales don't really impact mom-and-pop liquor stores after all. At long last, this is one protectionist argument that can finally kick the bucket—if only policy makers will let it die.
Currently, 11 states still forbid wine from being sold in grocery stores while four still prohibit beer. In recent years, states as politically diverse as Mississippi, Connecticut, and Maryland have considered bills to expand wine and/or beer to their grocery store outlets, only to be met with a tidal wave of opposition. Any place where such reform legislation appears, it is immediately opposed by liquor stores in the state—sometimes called "package stores"—which already sell wine and beer and want to prevent any grocery store from becoming their new competitors in the market.
The impact of this protectionism extends far beyond the alcohol market, as well. It is why less populated states that restrict grocery store booze, such as Mississippi, have only one Costco and one Whole Foods in the entire state—and zero Trader Joe's outlets. These stores often depend on their alcohol selections, including their private-label alcohol offerings, to make their business models viable in more locales. Restricting grocery store booze can actually lock entire food stores out of a state.
This setup works just fine for liquor store owners. As one store owner claimed when discussing a Mississippi reform bill: "out of state retail corporations harvest money that could be recirculating in our local economies….Big out-of-state grocery and box retailers have had years of practice of profiting off the destruction of public health in other states." He went on to note that alcohol markets are "unable to regulate themselves without being destructive to public health and safety" and that if alcohol consumption increased, it would put "undue burden" on taxpayers, public safety officials, and the health care industry. One would be hard-pressed to find a business owner who so loathes the very product he sells, but these arguments are sadly par for the cronyist course when it comes to blocking grocery store booze sales.
While it is unclear how one might go about "harvesting" money, it is clear what this package store owner is really concerned about: protecting his bottom line. Unfortunately, package and liquor store lobbying associations are extremely influential in many states, which leads to reform efforts silently dying in committee year after year.
That's why states like Oklahoma and Colorado have opted for ballot initiatives to expand grocery store alcohol sales, as consumers overwhelmingly are in favor of it. But even successful ballot initiatives have not ended the debate, as a group of Colorado legislators introduced a bill in this year's legislative session to overturn the state's wine-in-grocery-stores ballot initiative (which only went into effect in 2023).
The main argument in favor of this repeal bill? "I don't want to see the independent liquor stores put out of business. They are owned by diverse entrepreneurs—50 percent are women- and minority-owned businesses—and provide jobs," said Colorado state Rep. Judy Amabile, a Boulder area Democrat who cosponsored the legislation.
In other words, Justice Antonin Scalia's famous quip about the notorious Lemon test in Supreme Court jurisprudence—analogizing it to "some ghoul in a late night horror movie that repeatedly sits up in its grave and shuffles abroad, after being repeatedly killed and buried"—could just as readily apply to antigrocery alcohol claims.
After years of scaremongering and anecdotal supposition about whether grocery stores will or will not kill off mom-and-pop booze stores, facts have finally been injected into the debate by FMI, a food industry group. A new FMI paper by Vincenzina Caputo of Michigan State University studies the impact of Tennessee's 2016 reform that allowed wine to be sold in grocery stores in the Volunteer State. The paper compared the number of liquor licenses in post-2016 Tennessee with a hypothetical "synthetic version" of Tennessee in which the reforms were never passed. (This was done via a weighted average of control states that did not pass wine-in-grocery-store legislation.)
The report—a copy of which I obtained from FMI—shows just 62 fewer liquor stores selling wine in postreform Tennessee compared to the nonreform synthetic version of Tennessee—a result which was found to be not statistically significant. Overall, the quantity of liquor stores selling wine in Tennessee increased from 505 stores in 2004 to 733 in 2022, and liquor stores still held the greatest number of wine-selling licenses in the state in the postreform years.
Further, the Tennessee wine-in-grocery-store reform accounted for a 23 percent increase in wine sales tax volume for the state—undermining the idea that chain stores "harvest" away money from local economies and the tax base.
These results show that our favorite mom-and-pop shops can do just fine in the wake of grocery stores being allowed to sell alcohol. In fact, many of these smaller stores have found a niche specializing in craft beer or hard-to-find wines and liquor that grocery stores have little interest in carrying, a point that both independent store owners and economists have made.
This new research provides a much-overdue corrective to the protectionist claims that small liquor stores have been peddling for years. Now lawmakers just need to listen.
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Maga. Legal weed and blow on new years eve.
And half-price ammo.
And guns, like vaccines will be mandated along with CCW passports.
And then you have Pennsylvania. A couple grocery stores in the area jumped through all the hoops and can now sell beer/wine. Problem is they had to buy out another business to acquire a liquor license due to the state's insane rationing. My favorite dive bars are now gone.
I once though Utah was fucked up until I started visiting relatives in Pennsylvania.
Can you still buy gallons of draft beer to go? That was a nice option on Sundays when the distributors were closed.
Nope… But it does hurt Liberty.
I miss the days when the nation actually prided itself on ensuring Liberty and Justice for all. Not some run-down list of nanny-ism, totalitarianism, armed-theft and every selfish, despicable, scum of the earth intentions for Gov-Gun usage.
Maybe just maybe; packing a 'gun' around on every whim of a desire isn't the best kind of person you want to be. Maybe Gov-Guns should be LIMITED to ONLY ensuring Liberty and Justice for all.
What the heck are you talking about? That was completely non-sensical.
No, it is perfectly sensical. Governments' only tool is violence against their subjects. Pass a law for the most mundane things, like parking within 6 inches of a curb, and the ultimate enforcement is the threat of death if you resist jail, which is the result of not paying the fine.
Everything government does comes down to killing you for disobedience.
"Never pass a law unless you are willing to kill to enforce it."
THIS is why we need to HANG MIKE PENCE and all others who defy The Sacred Will of The One True Leader! /Sarc
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Governor Kemp (R) of Georgia is latest target of Trump Wrath… https://apnews.com/article/trump-vance-atlanta-georgia-harris-rally-b21c25bbbfafdd0343c8812f6c3d7c9e
Trump again tears into Georgia’s Republican governor on the same day he campaigns in the state
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Doesn't your ass have an appointment with Tim's wand to stuff up it?
The impact of this protectionism extends far beyond the alcohol market, as well. It is why less populated states that restrict grocery store booze, such as Mississippi, have only one Costco and one Whole Foods in the entire state—and zero Trader Joe's outlets.
Tough to run a Costco in a place where there is not many people.
Also, Costco is mostly for people who have a higher disposable income (since you buy bulk).
Buying in bulk is the only way to fight cheesy poof inflation.
Nobody needs 23 gallons of cheesy poofs. Especially not you-know-who.
On the contrary, states with the same or lower population density (but different liquor laws) have multiple Costcos, Whole Foods and Trader Joes. Population density does not explain the difference.
To Nobartium's point, neither does disposable income (except for Whole Paycheck, I mean Whole Foods). Yes, you need a little extra cash up front to buy in bulk but if you're shopping smart, you make the investment back by needing to shop less often. The Costco / Sam's Club / BJ's differentiation strategy is a low-cost target market.
But foresight (and financial planning) are undesirable white patriarchal values.
Plus, you need ID to get into Costco, so racist AF.
The connected article incorrectly shows MN as selling beer in gracery stores, it only sells 3.2% ABV beer, as it qualifies as 'non-intoxicating malt liquor.' You can only buy liquor, wine and beer in a few been there forever liquor stores and municipal liquor stores, none of whom have any desire to provide any competition as it is a monopoly. Only 10-10 hours, 11-6 on Sunday. Only opened on Sundays because the NFL refused to have the Superbowl there if we didn't change the law.
Everytime I'm traipsing my kids through the snow to get a bottle of wine I could I have bought at the grocery store we were just at, I curse the legislators. Screw a few liquor store owners, they should be legislating on behalf of the people the represent, who are very inconvienenced. As a libertarian, I think there should be no liquor laws, clear them all off the books and sell whatever, wherever.
Or as we called it back in the day, "near beer."
A not publicly available study from the international grocery store advocacy group?
Sounds unbiased.
The already paid for state congress people aren't going to roll over so easily; tax money coming in is the same either way, right?
Fuck off Buttplug, you demented pedophile, and quit sockpuppeting as me.
'Grocery Store Booze Doesn't Hurt Mom-and-Pop Stores'
Actually it does, and that's the point. If consumers can buy the alcohol they want at the supermarket, they might save money at at least save another stop. If that puts the specialty shop out of business then too bad.
Did you read the article? According to the study's conclusions, letting supermarkets sell alcohol increases total consumption. The people buying at grocery stores are (mostly) new sales, not cannibalization of existing sales.
Feel free to disagree with the study's conclusions but please do so by pointing out their failures of methodology or data interpretation, not by mindlessly reciting platitudes.
The people buying at grocery stores are (mostly) new sales, not cannibalization of existing sales.
I disagree with the study’s conclusions. If you have 100,000 wine drinkers and they’re ONLY able to get it in a bodega, and then the law changes, you think they’re going to continue to get it in the bodega when they can just get it when they’re on their weekly shopping trip?
I believe that some people who don’t normally drink wine will say, “Hey, there’s a wine aisle in the grocery store, what say we pick us up a bottle” but that just doesn’t seem like the “majority” of grocery sales.
I can would rather go by my local town, in Colorado, where recent changes--fought tooth and nail by the established separate liquor stores--now make it possible to load up on booze at the supermarket. And the local liquor shops are on record as losing sales.
Do you mindlessly think that supermarket sales of beer are entirely increased consumption?
I do not mindlessly think that – the data in this study says that. Yes, it’s counterintuitive. That could mean the study’s conclusions are wrong. Or that could mean our intuition is wrong. There’s a reason “counterintuitive” is a word.
I think what Earth-based is trying to say is that allowing another product type to be sold in the supermarket will cut into the business of other specialty shops besides liquor stores. At some point, 1-stop shopping becomes the norm, and people don't go out of their way to buy anything. So it might hurt, I don't know, maybe the health food store next door to the liquor store.
You know what else hurt Mom-and-Pop stores?
Walmart. (and then Target)
Which was a good thing. Now you can find what you want, and it's usually in stock. And costs a lot less than those gougers at the Mom-and-Pop stores who don't move enough volume to have reasonable prices.
As Walmart employees used to chant, "sell 'em cheap and stack 'em high, make the downtown merchants cry!"
The shit in the UK is getting weird. After years of defending BLM and muslim violent riots with even police removing people even just filming the riots, the PM came out this morning threatening to arrest anyone involved in the anti immigrant protests after an illegal stabbed 20 kids killing 3. The MP is threatening covid style lockdowns to stop the protests over murdered kids.
Gotta stamp out MAGA-style nazi nationalism. And resistance to the WEF future vision.
Look, if the elites want cheap labor, you are just going to have to accept a few kids getting murdered for no reason sometimes.
Let's compare the Jesse narrative with reality, shall we?
the PM came out this morning threatening to arrest anyone involved in the anti immigrant protests
Here is the PM's actual statement, you can read it for yourself.
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-statement-4-august-2024
He does not threaten 'to arrest anyone involved in the anti immigrant protests'. He is condemning the violence.
In case you didn't know, there was a riot in Rotherham that broke out when protesters turned violent and attacked a hotel that was housing asylum seekers.
https://apnews.com/article/uk-protests-far-right-children-stabbed-police-2de808d796f81f719950acb4ea6f0af5
It was very ugly and very violent. (ML will no doubt be along shortly to call them 'tourists'.) That is the 'far right thuggery' that is being condemned here.
after an illegal stabbed 20 kids killing 3
To the best of our current knowledge, the accused suspect is not an illegal immigrant. He is a British citizen born in Wales to parents who immigrated to Britain from Rwanda. The police say he is Christian. That is also presented in the above AP article. But the false information about the attacker being an 'illegal Muslim' quickly spread, hence the riot at the hotel in Rotherham.
The MP is threatening covid style lockdowns to stop the protests over murdered kids
There was nothing in the PM's statement that even hinted at "covid style lockdowns". That appears to be completely false.
So let's compare and contrast, shall we?
Jesse: presents no sources, only makes a bunch of claims that he hopes you will believe because it is consistent with his narrative of "out of touch government elites take the side of illegal immigrant criminals over the citizens of the nation". That is the story he wants you to believe.
The reality completely contradicts Jesse's claim but he deliberately conceals that from you. Because he wants to substitute his narrative for reality.
This is not the first time Jesse has pulled this type of crap. Remember this the next time Jesse tries to fool you with some other outrageous right-wing claim.
Jeff. Youre a fucking idiot.
“I think the government and new ministers will understand the British public will back them in whatever measures they feel is necessary to get this situation under control,” Lord Walney told the Times Radio.
“Back in Covid, they were prepared to back measures that were needed in that situation and I think they would take a similar approach to keeping rioters off the streets now given the scale of damage that has been done to communities.”
Link to the arrests.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/04/southport-latest-news-rioting-disorder-arrests-liverpool/
In an emergency address from Downing Street, the Prime Minister said that he would do “whatever it takes to bring these thugs to justice as quickly as possible” amid violence that has spread since the Southport killings.
I know. The Telegraph is a right wing maga newspaper.
Again. Youre retarded jeff.
Remember a few years ago when you were crying the use of the word thug was racist btw? Lol.
Not shocked you try to deflect from the state using its powers against your perceived enemies though.
And here is his response to the BLM riots.
https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1268572972421283843
The rioters are “far right thugs” according to the Prime Minister.
To complicate things the killer wasn’t a first generation migrant but probably was a Jihadist since his immigrant parents were from Rwanda.
So you agree that what I stated the marxist PM said was accurate. Tell Jeff.
The police say that the suspect is a Christian.
He may be.
Interesting history - this Rotherham where the largest riot is:
Researcher Angie Heal, who was hired by local officials and warned them about child exploitation occurring between 2002 and 2007, has since described it as the "biggest child protection scandal in UK history",[11] with one report estimating that 1,400 girls were abused by "grooming gangs".[9] Evidence of the abuse was first noted in the early 1990s, when care home managers investigated reports that children in their care were being picked up by taxi drivers.[12] From at least 2001, multiple reports passed names of alleged perpetrators, several from one family, to the police and Rotherham Council. The first group conviction took place in 2010, when five British-Pakistani men were convicted of sexual offences against girls aged 12–16.[13] From January 2011 Andrew Norfolk of The Times pressed the issue, reporting in 2012 that the abuse in the town was widespread and that the police and council had known about it for over ten years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
Pakastani men "recruited" 1400 local girls for sex trafficking - then it was covered up.
Remember - do not besmirch the Sons of Allah. They are the protected class.
Just pay to house them in a hotel for 18 months.
"The police say that the suspect is a Christian."
No they didn't, you lying fuck.
Nowhere in that statement did he defend "BLM and muslim violent riots". He defended the right of individuals to peacefully protest. As he should.
Jeff, your allies are attacking legitimate victims, who haven't done anything but protest horrific murders of their children, and you're masturbating with glee.
Your delight in horrific repression of legitimate nonviolent protest by the serfs is why you're a fucking Nazi.
What makes your stance exceptionally hypocritical is that you defended protest that was actually violent four years ago, when BLM whipped up riots over a junkie named Floyd OD'ing.
But those protests serviced your evil masters purposes, so I guess that was (D)ifferent.
who haven’t done anything but protest horrific murders of their children
Well, except for all the violence. Other than that, they "haven't done anything but protest".
Why am I not surprised that you are excusing violence committed by your team.
Thank God any Britons have a spine.
So, you believe mob violence against the asylum seekers in the Rotherham hotel is justified? Why?
Their government failed them (see previous Rotherham sex ring).
Why should you put your trust in the state to deal with problems?
Did those people in the hotel commit the sex crimes in Rotherham? I don't think so.
If the mob thinks that the government made a poor decision, then why is violence against the asylum seekers justified, and not, say, violence against the government?
If the mob thinks that the government made a poor decision, then why is violence against the asylum seekers justified, and not, say, violence against the government?
They disarmed themselves. They cannot oppose the state.
You're missing the point. Why is violence against the asylum-seekers justified for the decisions of the government?
Why is violence against the asylum-seekers justified for the decisions of the government?
Vigilantism.
Obviously.
Vigilantism.
What laws have the asylum seekers broken? Committing violence against them isn't vigilantism, it is attempted murder.
They insist on protecting their fellow Islamists.
They have no rights to be there.
How do you know any of them are Islamists?
Do you support lynching as a 'law enforcement' tool?
Do you support lynching as a ‘law enforcement’ tool?
Not at all times, but then again, once the threshold of violence being needed due to government failure is met, all arguments of politely die.
“So, you believe mob violence against the asylum seekers”
THERE WAS NO MOB VIOLENCE AGAINST ASYLUM SEEKERS YOU LYING NAZI FUCK.
They threw some bottles and chairs at the cops who were beating them, and someone lit a trashcan on fire, and your politruk puppetmasters are acting like they attacked “asylum seekers”.
Well they didn’t.
It’s like your J6 lies. Just another fascist smear job against the proles by your totalitarian oligarchic masters.
“Their government failed them”
Don’t fall for it Nobartium. Lying Jeffy’s whole narrative that poor “asylum seekers” were attacked is a lie in its entirety.
But jeff msaturbated on them and the kids may have been drunk.
Did you see what she was wearing? Just asking for it.
Oh fuck off. This is just you upset because I so thoroughly showed that you were lying.
You did nothing of the sort, Lying Jeffy. You even lie about your lies. You're a meta liar.
“I think the government and new ministers will understand the British public will back them in whatever measures they feel is necessary to get this situation under control,” Lord Walney told the Times Radio.
Lord Walney is not the Prime Minister. Keir Starmer is.
So some British Lord wants to bring back Covid lockdowns. Okay, that's bad. Still not the position of the British Government.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/04/southport-latest-news-rioting-disorder-arrests-liverpool/
In your link: Ctrl-F "Walney": 0/0
Who did you think you could fool with that link?
In an emergency address from Downing Street, the Prime Minister said that he would do “whatever it takes to bring these thugs to justice as quickly as possible” amid violence that has spread since the Southport killings.
That's right. The thugs. You know, the people participating in violence and destruction.
We all know who the fucking Prime Minister of the UK is, you evil pettifogging idiot, and nowhere did Jesse claim it was Walney.
And if you weren't such a desperate shill you'd notice that the subsequent link that Jesse posted showing Walney speaking was Prime Minister Starmer's FUCKING TWITTER ACCOUNT.
You're a living joke.
The person speaking in the video that Jesse posted is Keir Starmer, not Lord Walney.
You really are just blatantly making shit up at this point.
Because these protests/riots make your team look very bad.
It looks bad to protest kids getting murdered.
/jeff
It doesn't matter that jeff mixed up PM and MP to formulate a lie. He's a fucking marxist idiot.
Jesse, you said "the MP". I thought it was a typo and you meant PM. Because "the MP" makes no sense. There are many MPs. Which one? But there is only one PM.
So actually Jesse, I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. Silly me.
LOL
And here we see Jesse flailing about trying to maintain his narrative even when reality slaps him in the face. He tries to bamboozle people by pretending that the opinion of some British Lord represents the official position of the UK Government, and he posts links that don't even say what Jesse claims that they say, thinking that you will be fooled.
And here we see Jeffy doing his favorite thing ever: Lying and misrepresenting about what we can all see with our own fucking eyes.
He honestly thinks that his bullshit changes reality.
Both of you just blatantly make shit up on this matter. Because the narrative of "peaceful anti-immigrant protesters brutally oppressed by authoritarian government" has to endure no matter what.
It’s going to be funny as fuck when Britain locks down.
He is adept at seeing implications that aren’t there. He thinks that makes him smart. Smart people disagree.
I literally quoted the statements and sources right above your post retard. Lol.
Why didn’t you google it?
You have 3 minutes to not look retarded.
I glanced at your comment with quotes and they did not say what you claim they said. You see implications that are not there and claim they were what was said. You have a long history of this. Because I think you believe what you are saying and aren’t lying, I can only conclude that you’re really dumb.
Jesse mislabels the rioters as BLM.
Lying is what he does best.
I don’t think he’s lying. I think he reads words and his defective brain registers something else.
Please in detail explain.
I gave you both the Labour MP statement regarding covid restrictions and also gave you the PM statements and actions on arresting them. Even gave you the bonus of his previous stance during the UK blm riots.
Are you just this retarded?
The quote said people put up with a lot of bs during Covid and that they might have to put up with some bs to keep rioters off the streets.
You saw that and your broken brain read that Covid style lockdowns are coming. And you are utterly convinced that your imaginary implication is what was really said.
That’s why I don’t argue with you. You argue against your imagination, believing it is reality, not what people actually say.
Could that mean lockdowns? Possibly. Could mean curfews. Could mean a lot of things. But your reality is that the guy said lockdowns are nigh, and you can’t be convinced otherwise.
How do you lie so blatantly about what is posted clearly.
I think they would take a similar approach to keeping rioters off the streets now given the scale of damage that has been done to communities.”
Do you have this much of a need to defend the left now?
Think… similar…
And then your imagination takes off.
You’ve gotten dumber drinking Jeff’s cum lol.
Here is what I wrote you retarded fuck.
covid style
You are such a dishonest retard lol.
What lie shrike? Be specific
It is amazing you three can be given statements and links and then continue to ignore them to push your defense of the marxist lefts statements and actions. Lll.
Yeah, I think Jesse genuinely believes that everyone who showed up to a BLM protest was either a rioter, or a co-conspirator to rioting, and therefore all collectively guilty.
But the people who showed up to the Jan. 6 protests, on the other hand, THEY ought to be judged individually based on what each person did. They should not all be condemned as rioters. Oh no no no.
That’s his caveman brain seeing other tribe bad his tribe good grunt grunt.
Oh the projection. Openly lying just above to defend the left and gets Jeff's approval. Lol.
Do you scratch your butt when you grunt?
By the way I’m not defending anything. I’m saying your argument is stupid. I’m saying you argue with your imagination. I’m saying you’re a tribal idiot. That’s it.
Weird smear coming from a trailer trash fry cook like Sarckles.
Yes sarc. You saw jeff make an argument and jumped in to defend his argument.
And openly mistaking what is said just above lol.
Get help. Both of you.
Don't need it Sarckles. I'm not a messily divorced alcoholic estranged from my daughter.
They literally do retard. Mouth the words slowly. You can even click the link lol.
God damn sarc, becoming a full blown marxist lately seeking jeff head pats.
How dishonest are you two?
And the most hilarious (read: sad) part about all this, is that Jesse and pals will come here day after day pushing blatant lies and false narratives as fact, but when it comes to using preferred pronouns of transgender individuals, they will say "I refuse to do so because I will not be cowed into stating a lie." LOL these people lie on a daily basis with impunity and seemingly have no ethical issues with it.
Jeff, every day you have 50 or 60 different people calling you out here for lying, and everyone knows what you are... so who do you think you're tricking?
Even Sarcasmic and Buttplug are only sorta playing along with you nowadays.
more of that gaslighting that you are so good at.
He is good.
Came back for fourths?
"more of that gaslighting"
What? Are you saying that you don't have 50 or 60 different people calling you out here for lying everyday here?
Or are you saying Sarcasmic and Buttplug aren't playing along with you nowadays?
It can't be the latter because Sarchole just did it again: "He is good"
Should we poll everyone in the Roundup tomorrow and see if we can't get 50 or 60 different people to call you a liar?
Decoder ring:
left wing protests, riots, vandalism, arson, and assault = the language of the oppressed.
right wing protests = banned, because they might hurt someone's feelings.
I watched the local news report (ABC) on this last Thursday. They said the far right protestors incorrectly labeled the stabber as an immigrant of African descent. Well, no that was the a pure lie. Rwandan teenage immigrant. The media hates you. Especially when you stand up for freedom and your rights.
Jesse, now that the truth has been pointed out to you, why don't you finally admit the truth of this situation:
1. The PM denounced the violence of the mob, not "all protest".
2. The suspect is not "an illegal", he is a British citizen.
3. The desire to use "covid style lockdowns" was based on the stupid suggestion of some British Lord, not from the PM and not the official position of the government.
How were the protesters "violent" Lying Jeffy? Just because Fuhrer Starmer smeared them as such, doesn't make it an accurate description.
The DNC has become so antisemetic they are rushing to hide Gov Shapiro’s college essay where he talks about volunteering to do projects for the IDF in college. 30 years ago.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/josh-shapiro-seeks-to-downplay-his-time-as-idf-volunteer-after-college-op-ed-resurfaces/
Wikipedia has already memory holed it with some crazy discussions on the page edit logs.
What a tough spot they are in.
Go with the Jew and risk the Muslim vote, or drop him and lose PA.
Even their weird narrative is backfiring with Kamalas husband having to admit to impregnating their nanny.
For reals?
Yeap.
https://www.thewrap.com/doug-emhoff-affair-nanny-pregnant-kamala-harris/
Actually, it looks like the affair and pregnant nanny episode was during his first marriage, pre-Kamalama. But they had a "serious" talk about it before they got hitched.
Yes. During his first marriage. Never said it was during his current. He is currently kamalas husband.
Yes. During his first marriage. Never said it was during his current
Oh, now you are backpedaling. Because you wrote:
"Kamalas husband having to admit to impregnating their nanny"
with the clear inference that her husband had sex with Kamala's and his nanny, which is false.
So totes cool!
What a piker. He couldn't even manage to cheat on his wife with a porn star. 1/10 low T beta male
Don’t mess with the help.
One can't be a toxic male (like Bill) in the DNC anymore.
“What a piker. He couldn’t even manage to cheat on his wife with a porn star.”
At least he didn’t have to sit on Mayor Willie Brown’s cock to get appointed DA, so he has one up on his wife.
Another Jesse fact-check time!
Kamalas husband having to admit to impregnating their nanny.
This is misleading, because Kamala’s husband cheated on his first wife by fooling around with the nanny, and that is what led to the divorce. Kamala’s husband did not cheat with a nanny in his current relationship (as far as we know).
It’s weird.
Hey, are you authorized to use that word?
Haha, how pathetic.
Jeff is too dumb to realize Kamala's husband is an accurate term as he is currently her husband. But he has to misconstrue shit to pretend information is wrong.
He could be a CNN fact checker.
Not my fault you don't understand the rules of grammar.
As the original post said, "Kamala's husband" is accurate, "their nanny" is not. Is your reading comprehension that bad, or did you deliberately misconstrue it?
This is misleading, because Kamala’s husband cheated on his first wife by fooling around with the nanny
It was okay because Kamala was sleeping her way into the DA's office at the same time.
Need to pick a black immigrant tranny. That will lock it up.
I nominate Sam Brinton. Not black, but definitely level 10 tranny. And Sam would be DEI to Kammy.
I suppose he could identify as black.
Jewish Democratic voters nationwide might be looking for some reassurance that Harris is still on their side though. Shapiro could help in Pennsylvania and elsewhere.
What are the pro-Hamas activists in Michigan going to do, vote for Trump? They know Harris is on their side. They weren't so sure about Biden.
When is a Jew not a Jew?
Another Jesse fact check opportunity!
The DNC has become so antisemetic they are rushing to hide Gov Shapiro’s college essay where he talks about volunteering to do projects for the IDF in college. 30 years ago.
Nothing in your article suggests that the DNC is "rushing to hide" anything. Shapiro wrote an article when he was in college about his time volunteering at an Israeli kibbutz when he was in highschool (presumably, it's not entirely clear when he did the volunteering). Part of his time volunteering was at an Israeli army base. In the article, he was described as "volunteering with the Israeli army", and he wrote that he thought Palestinians were "too battle-minded" to achieve a lasting peace in the region. That is an insulting bigoted generalization, for sure. Shapiro said in his defense basically that he never undertook military operations with the IDF as a part of his volunteer stint, he was 20 years old at the time he wrote that, and his views have changed since then. You can believe he is sincere or not. But the crux of the controversy appears to be whether (a) he participated in military operations with the IDF (he says he didn't), and (b) whether he still holds those bigoted views about Palestinians (he says he doesn't).
he wrote that he thought Palestinians were “too battle-minded” to achieve a lasting peace in the region. That is an insulting bigoted generalization, for sure.
That ain't bigotry. If you think it is, then all wrong think must be.
Jeff doesn't think. He posts what they pay him to post.
Man. Jeff is full blown into his protect every democrat and leftist narrative today while not being a leftist. Weirder than JD Vance.
Guess he wasn't embarassed enough by yesterday pushing Kamalas debate talking point.
And theeere we go. Challenging Jesse's narratives are equated as "defending Democrats". No, it's challenging your bullshit.
You are pushing lies and false narratives, and someone should call you out on it.
The only one pushing lies and false narratives here is you, you fifty-centing creep.
And yet you’ll go on and on that anyone who pushes back on YOUR narratives is a right-wing Republican Trump defender.
Funny how that works.
Seems like a job for Commerce Clause!
And can you still call them "Mom and Pop" stores these days?
Isn't that a microaggression or two?
Even if it did hurt mom-and-pop, so what? It is a sad world when this is an argument for denying consumer choice.
Why do you hate democracy?
(In this case, democracy means an idyllic view of happy neighborhood level commerce, where people want to see "independent" shops and are willing to use government force to impose this utopia on others.)
Selling wine/beer in grocery stores absolutely limits consumer choice. But Dieterle misstates the problem. There are only a handful of purchasers for grocery stores. Each of whom only buys beer/wine/spirits in serious bulk. So they are only gonna buy from the big brewers/etc who can fill a ton of shelf space. No small or start-up producer will ever get shelf space. Which means no customer of those stores will ever even see product from the small. And in most states, where those outlets control the distribution of product, that will mean no market for startups.
This author is just a whore for corporate liquor. Those are the ones who pay to lobby for their crony interests. We saw this here in CO where Target, Kroger, etc paid millions for the ballot initiative – aimed at convincing recent movers from CA and other big states who had no idea how many local brewers were here. Now that the initiative passed, those brewers are dying
Bullshit. I live in Colorado and see as much "boutique" brews in supermarkets as elsewhere.
And the local shops are just as free as ever to keep selling the micro-brews they choose. If the shops can't keep the total sales up without the mass market beers, tough luck.
I travel quite a bit for work. In almost every city I go into a restaurant or store and see what their local selections are.
As usual JFree is wrong. Even Walmart will have regional beers.
Your anecdotes are less relevant than actual sales data. Seven of the ten largest craft brewers here in CO have lower sales since the grocery initiative. Those are the ones who can actually get shelf space in grocery stores. The smaller ones are the ones who are getting hit harder because they can't get shelf space
And this is solely about reduced choice. CO has always been among the lowest prices for mass market beer whether momnpop, Daveco, or chain grocery. That hasn’t changed.
Seems like consumers have a preference. The horror.
WTF would you know about choice in beer in AZ. The largest liquor store in the world is in Denver burbs (DaveCo). It carries 2300 brands of beer – 1175 craft, 423 imports, 156 BigPiss, 218 nonalcoholic, etc – plus wine/liquor/etc. In Denver itself, the largest (Argonaut) carries 1600 brands of beer among its total 18,000 brands of alcohol/related product. That’s what the momnpops compete with here because they are both family-owned.
AZ has 133 small breweries producing 217k barrels per year. Per capita, that ranks 38th and 42nd among states. That is the start-up environment for the brewing biz in AZ.
CO has 468 small breweries producing 793k barrels per year. Per capita, that ranks 4th and 5th among states and the states that are comparable per capita are MUCH smaller (AK, ME, MT, VT). That is the start-up environment for the brewing biz in CO. Hopefully it stays that strong in future.
No one has ever gone into any liquor store here in CO and not been able to find a cheap six-pack of Bud.
Just to compare barrels produced:
The entirety of those 468 small brewers production roughly equals Sierra Nevada. Sierra Nevada can get shelf space at Target and Costco. Those small brewers can't. Bud can get shelf space anywhere.
"This author is just a whore for corporate liquor."
No.
Your complaint is with the shoppers and public that either choose not to look for them or are more concerned with the convenience of procuring booze at the same place they get their bananas; and with the small brewers that do not try to get their product anywhere but said grocers.
The crafters where I live seem to be able to market themselves by getting their product into bars and clubs. They also get their product onto store shelves through whatever unconventional means they have devised.
There are also small start-up wineries in the nearby area that are surviving without an ounce of govt meddling (at least no meddling that I'm aware of). This is in the desert no-less; not where someone thinks of making wine.
As a former alcoholic, I can attest I saw no shortage of craft brews (local or otherwise) at BevMo and Total Wine.
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My mind just wandered onto ideas for some ultra-short comedic videos, possibly the basis for a commercial.
Yeah, but you were drunk, so who knows what you were really seeing?
Yes. Lots of things about the world are said. But even if it's a bad argument, isn't it good that the facts refute it?
If slavery were hanging on because of fear that loss of slaves would hurt some people's business, wouldn't you welcome evidence that it would not?
Welcome to "The Nanny State" - where everything is made up and the facts don't matter. I predict that this new information will not make any difference in the regulations in the remaining states.
So, KamKam and Trump have a rally in Georgia in the same venue on different days. KamKam filled the venue to capacity. Trump did not. And of course how does Trump explain it? Blames the venue for allegedly denying entry to his supporters. It's not his campaign's fault for not drumming up enough support, no, it's everybody else's fault but his own.
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-blames-georgia-state-for-empty-seats-at-rally-imagine-what-theyre-going-to-do-on-election-day/
So, this is a habit of his. Whenever things go well, he takes credit, but whenever things go poorly, he finds someone else to blame. Remember this next time Trump or his minions tries to tell us that it was the "deep state" which thwarted his actions during his presidency. No, actually, it's because Trump is a shit manager who hired crappy people who didn't know what they were doing.
Yup, Trump whines about how life in unfair almost as much as millions of progressive Democrats, many of whom have actual college degrees in the topic (with unfair student loans).
From Jeff's link:
"Harris’s official X account claimed the number of empty seats was in the “hundreds.”"
Well, if the Harris campaign’s official X account says it...
See, this is how we know Jeff is a shill.
Followed up by a video where all can see the empty seats for themselves.
By the way, what would you call someone who directly posts content here from Trump's campaign HQ or the RNC? Would you call that person a "shill"?
Jeff. Here is video while he was speaking. Stop lying.
https://x.com/margommartin/status/1819859688185286995
Gee, look at all those eMpTy sEaTS.
I guess Lying Jeffy wasn't lying when he invoked Team Harris' narrati... no, wait... he was.
First, I bet there were empty seats. Big place.
Second, there were absolutely hundreds of empty seats. I know this because everyone is standing up, so, technically those seats were empty. And technically correct is the best kind of correct.
Pretty sure I have this "fact checker" thing down.
This one is especially hilarious as even an NPR correspondent called put the lie being pushed by Jeff's DNC regime.
Harris, team pushed a photo from hours before it opened.
https://x.com/TheStevenCheung/status/1819863798720942574
Then you have the news that half of the Harris crowd walked out after the concert while she spoke.
https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-video-rally-leaving-1932421
Well then, I stand corrected.
Unlike you, I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong,.
HA HA HA HA
Lol.
Definitely not a Democrat? Certainly a dumbass. Probably a Democrat
Uh oh. Libertarian heart-throb Javier Milei may be playing some games with Argentina's gold reserves.
https://english.elpais.com/economy-and-business/2024-07-28/the-mystery-of-argentinas-gold-milei-admits-that-it-was-transferred-abroad-without-specifying-the-quantities-or-destination.html
What are you trying to infer here, Lying Jeffy? That mean old Milei and the Argentinian Central Bank is stealing it?
Neat to see you drop the mask for a second and say “Libertarian” with a sneer, though.
Vote for the socialist president right jeff?
Hope you're seeing who you are defending sarc.
lol I didn't say "vote for the socialist", that is you and your stupid binary black/white thinking.
I don't know what he is up to. He's a libertarian, but he's also not a saint. Maybe everything is on the up and up. But why conceal where the gold is going?
Dumbass. just stop. You damage only yourself.
Can you really damage something that is worthless?
Less than worthless, harmful, like radioactive waste.
In Nevada, grocers sell wine and spirits - mainly the popular brands. To get a good Port, Argentinian Malbec, Voignier, Tempranillo, Semillon, etc. you can only find them in a locals wine shop, not a grocery store that prefers Barefoot, Cupcake, Mondavi, et al. selling Cabs, Merlots, Chards, Grigios, Blancs, Niors, and blends.
Other states will find the same differentiation of stock availability.
Cancel culture comes to conservative Christian universities.
https://www.newsweek.com/christian-college-university-professor-conservative-1928037
The victims include:
- a professor who was fired because an outside donor to the university disagreed with the professor's politics as expressed in her tweets
- a professor who was fired because she asked the class for their preferred pronouns, and students complained
- a professor who was essentially demoted because a former Trump official specifically demanded that he be fired over his political views
PrIvAtE CoMpAnY!
Remind me again about all the public money that they're using to push their religious beliefs, like your lot do with your cultic beliefs in the publicly funded universities, Lying Jeffy.
RFK Jr driving around NYC with bear in TRUNK. A true DEMOCRAT hero.
Haven't checked in with my local daily in a while, so thought I'd swing by and do some compare/contrast on headlines:
Trump:
Harris:
And for our current president and leader of the free world:
Biden:
I miss Louisiana. You can buy liquor at bars, grocery stores, package stores, gas stations and drive through "daiquiri" huts. Also when you leave a bar they give you a cup so you can finish your drink on the street.
I hate it when local communities in sovereign states have values that are different than mine, and then come together as a voting body to decide they don’t want things in their community that I would demand they had if I could.
Why can’t all of America be the cesspools and charnel houses of success that are NYC, DC, Baltimore, Philadephila, Chicago, Minneapolis, Frisco, Los Angeles, Portland, and Seattle?
Wine in grocery stores? That’s a libertarian ideal. Screw what the individual people of those individual communities in those local bodies of those sovereign states want. We know best.
Maybe the one who bought, paid and operates said grocery store should have choices without [WE] gangsters packing 'guns' (Gov-Guns) around pretending they own everything someone else bought and paid for?
Nothing about Individual freedom prevents you from refusing to participate at said grocery store so I'm not sure where you get the authoritarian desire to tell said grocery store owner what he can/cannot sell to his customers.