Is Minneapolis a 'Secret Bellwether' for Understanding Policing and Race in America?
The Minneapolis Reckoning shows why calls to defund the police gained momentum after George Floyd's death and why voters with no love for the cops still rejected an abolitionist ballot measure.

The Minneapolis Reckoning: Race, Violence and the Politics of Policing in America, by Michelle S. Phelps, Princeton University Press, 304 pages, $29.95
Being a writer at the right place at the right moment is a mix of chance and preparation.
Michelle Phelps, a University of Minnesota sociologist, began researching lethal police encounters and the politics of policing in Minneapolis in 2015. She was sitting at her desk writing up the results of her research on May 25, 2020, when a Minneapolis cop killed George Floyd.

Phelps has now published The Minneapolis Reckoning, the results of reviewing her years of research through the lens of Floyd's death and the ensuing unsuccessful push to defund the Minneapolis Police Department (MPD). It argues that Minneapolis, a progressive, majority-white city marked by a history of police violence and racial segregation, is a "secret bellwether city for understanding race and policing in America" and "a test case for both the possibilities and limits of liberal police reform."
I'll admit I sighed a little when I read those lines. Last year I reviewed The Riders Come Out At Night, a similar history of corruption in the Oakland Police Department and the multi-decade effort to clean it up. The authors described Oakland as "the edge case in American policing." And by my count, there have been two books and a prestige TV drama about a crooked police task force in Baltimore—another city that social critics have turned to as a cipher for understanding policing and race in America.
But Minneapolis certainly deserves special attention, as the site both of Floyd's killing and of the torching of a precinct building in the unrest that followed. Those would become two of the most significant images of the year, the former launching global protests while the latter polarized and calcified the discourse over those protests.
Minneapolis was also one of a few cities that actually did seriously consider defunding the police. (Despite the apocalyptic warnings of police unions and Republican politicians at the time, the vast majority of major cities' police budgets either increased or remained level following the summer of 2020.) On June 7, 2020, nine of Minneapolis' 13 city council members stood on a stage and declared that they were taking immediate steps to end the MPD, saying it "cannot be reformed and will never be held accountable for their actions."
But Minneapolis voters rejected a 2021 ballot initiative that would have amended the city's charter to remove mandatory staffing levels for police (a provision Minneapolis' police union successfully lobbied to have inserted in 1961), shifted control of the police from the mayor's office to the city council, and most controversially, replaced the MPD with an umbrella public health agency, the Department of Public Safety. That new department could include, but did not mandate, police officers.
Opponents cast the failure of the charter amendment as evidence of the deep unpopularity of "defund the police" rhetoric and the general failure of anti-police activism.
Phelps' book provides critical context for all of these events. As she shows, the radical activism and the calls to defund the police in Minneapolis did not appear out of thin air, nor were they astroturfed by shadowy, deep-pocketed Marxists. They emerged from decades of political tug-of-war between local activists, city officials, and the powerful Minneapolis police union.
The efforts to change policing in Minneapolis were also not monolithic. They were split among three general blocs.
Phelps identifies the first group as "21-century police reform," the Obama-era technocratic campaign led by liberal city officials, police chiefs, and policy think tanks. In 2015, Minneapolis was in fact a pilot site for the National Initiative for Building Community Trust and Justice. This pilot program included sending officers to implicit bias training, changing the department's use-of-force policies, and creating a requirement for officers to intervene if they witnessed a fellow officer using excessive force. None of this stopped Officer Derek Chauvin from keeping his knee on George Floyd for nine minutes.
The second group is what Phelps calls "radical reformers," the community groups and Black Lives Matter activists who pressured city officials to overhaul the MPD. Their demands included prosecuting and decertifying officers involved in unjustified killings, creating more powerful civilian oversight mechanisms, banning "warrior" training for officers, and renegotiating the collective bargaining agreement between the city and the police union.
The third group are the abolitionists, many of whom had become burned out and further radicalized after seeing the lackluster results of the reforms achieved by the previous decade's Black Lives Matter protests. Abolitionism rejects piecemeal institutional reform and insists on the wholesale dismantling of the "prison-industrial complex."
But there is a fourth group, perhaps the most important one that Phelps documents: the residents of Minneapolis' Northside neighborhood—a high-crime, majority-black area that all of the various actors in the city's political arena claimed to be fighting on behalf of.
Phelps' interviews with Northside residents illuminate both why the charter amendment gained momentum and why it failed. A black veteran describes being called the n-word, and a woman recounts trying to report to police that she'd been drugged and raped only to be treated "like a disease. Like a suspect."
But Northsiders are also plagued by high rates of crime victimization. As Phelps describes it, they are caught in the bind of being simultaneously overpoliced and underprotected. They frequently have negative experiences with the police department, but they are forced to rely on it to deal with high levels of crime, which they also believe the city is intentionally ignoring. This creates a sense of legal estrangement in residents—the gap in "police-community relations" that panels of experts endlessly drone on about—and a deep ambivalence toward not only the police but the possibilities of police reform.
"I don't have faith in [police] at all," one woman tells Phelps. "But then at the same time, you gotta call them if you need 'em. You know what I mean? And then when they come and you need 'em, they shittin' on you. So it's like, you damned if you do, you damned if you don't."
Police represent "both the promise of state protection and the threat of state violence," Phelps writes, and this is where abolitionist dreams crash against cold political reality. Older black community leaders and even some of the radical reform groups opposed the charter amendment because of fears it would leave beleaguered neighborhoods with even less of the protection they were demanding.
The tragedy of the story is that after the fires in Minneapolis stopped smoldering and hundreds of MPD officers quit—the city actually fell below the required level in its charter—Northsiders suffered from a horrific spike in crime. Plenty of blame and finger-pointing went on among the various factions, but not much self-reflection.
The Minneapolis Reckoning will be of limited interest to general readers outside of Minnesota. But it's a valuable piece of research on how fights for police reform are won and lost, and what reform means to the people who need it most.
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"Floyd killing"
Ha. I guess suicide is self killing.
Whether he would have died a minute later from his drugs or any other cause is immaterial; he died from the cop.
No. He didn't. Initial cause of death was not asphyxiation from wright on his back. It was cardiopulmonary damage. His lungs were 3x normal weight, a sign of an overdose. Just months earlier he almost died from an overdose swallowing drugs prior to an arrest as well.
The cause of death was his drugs. It was changed in supplementary autopsy due to political interference. The medical examiners assistant was even involved in a lawsuit where she testified they changed the autopsy due to political pressure.
In fact the most likely full cause of death was delays from paramedics who couldn't get through the crowds.
The cop did not cause the death.
I wouldn't let the cops off the hook. The suspect was already subdued, no need to suffocate him.
He wasn't suffocated.
You see how easily it is for the MSM to feed propaganda to the masses of idiots who believe everything they're told by pencil necked talking heads on CNN or PMSNBC.
They weren’t subduing him. They had recognized a medical issue (drug OD) when he was in their vehicle. That’s why he was removed. He was placed on his side to keep him from aspirating his own vomit (a common side effect of a narcotics OD). The knee was to keep him in place. If it had strangled him, there would have been bruising. There wasn’t.
It’s also generally easier to breathe turned to the side.
The delays were also caused by the cops refusing to assist as they had been trained.
Whether Floyd would have lived ten minutes without the cop kneeling on him for nine minutes is not the point. The point is that the cop kneeling on him killed him as surely as if the cop had held the EMTs back without kneeling on Floyd.
And it's entirely separate from whether Floyd deserved it or wanted it, or whether it was murder, manslaughter, justified, or anything else.
So youre saying you read nothing of what was written.
A) cops are not medical professionals.
B) They called for paramedics while floydd was on the SUV.
C) again original autopsy did not say he died from suffocation.
D) the cop was 150 lbs and bearing almost none of his weight on the shoulder blade, he was not on the neck.
E) floydd complained of breathing while in the SUV as his lungs were being filled.
F) he died due to stress on the heart from his breathing issues causes by the drugs.
G) Floyd forced himself out of the SUV and would not rotate to his side.
All this evidence is out there if you are curious.
They aren't curious. They are repeating the narrative of the killer cop executing poor Floyd.
Same bullshit as people still repeating "Hands up don't shoot."
You forgot to add that he probably died of COVID-19. That turns out to have been the big difference between the first time he had swallowed his stash and ODed, and the second - his lungs had been compromised by COVID-19.
So, more with Covid than from Covid.
Rubbish,just continue to repeat liberal MSM lies and propaganda.
Right, not the fucking restless mob that was preventing the ambulance from proceeding as the paramedic in the ambulance said? You may deserve The Purge 24/7/365 as the left is pushing but the test of your countrymen do not
The cop SHOULD HAVE recognized "I can't breathe" as a symptom of a Fentanyl overdose.
As the policeman kneeled on his back, a friend of Floyd reported that Floyd spoke out loud and complained he could not breathe. I have tried to stop my breathing and then say out loud "I cannot breathe". It's not possible to talk without using your breath. What is the truth?
If the Democrats have to decide between the citizens and the Unions, they'll go with the Unions every time.
Recall Obamacare where the unions were promised an exemption from the new rules to get the rank and file support only for that to be later removed. They too had to pay more and get less.
Was working in a mixed union/non-union shop at the time. Leading up to Obamacare, a group of the union folks would occasionally come into my office to point and sputter about how wonderful it was going to be and how awful Chumby was a bad person for opposing collectivist wealth redistribution. Actually got to see the denouement post implementation when one of them opened their paystub to see how much less they were then taking home. Believe he spent the rest of the day on the phone crying about how it wasn’t supposed to apply to him.
You enjoyed the victim pain of a deluded socialist? Just how MAGA racist are you?
It was a schadenfreude moment for sure. Thought about having a conversation with the union drone retard about it, but knew he was too dumb and too indoctrinated to learn a lesson.
H doesn’t care. I would have cackled gleefully while obnoxiously pointing at him. Intermittently polishing my monocle.
Trump booed and heckled by raucous crowd at Libertarian convention
WASHINGTON, May 25 (Reuters) - Presidential candidate Donald Trump was booed and heckled by many in a raucous audience at the Libertarian National Convention on Saturday night, a marked change from the adulation he receives at rallies from his fervently loyal supporters.
Libertarians, who believe in limited government and individual freedom, blame Trump, a Republican, for rushing through the creation of a COVID-19 vaccine when he was president and for not doing more to stop public health restrictions on the unvaccinated during the pandemic.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-booed-heckled-by-raucous-crowd-libertarian-convention-2024-05-26/
I think we know who was doing all the booing.
C.J. CIARAMELLA
Criminal Justice Reporter
Who do you plan to vote for this year? Joe Biden. The nationalists said the libertarian-conservative consensus is dead, and I take them at their word. Also, Stephen Miller is a white nationalist. (protip: CJ didn’t actually care what the “nationalists” said)
ERIC BOEHM
Reporter
Who do you plan to vote for this year? I am currently not registered to vote in Virginia, where I live. If I change that before the election, I will vote for Jo Jorgensen—unless I believe there is a chance that Joe Biden will somehow fail to win Virginia, in which case I will vote strategically and reluctantly for Biden. (protip: Eric was very strategic and reluctant)
SHIKHA DALMIA
Senior Analyst
Who do you plan to vote for this year? I will cast my ballot for Joe Biden in Michigan, a swing state, because there is no bigger libertarian cause right now than to prevent Donald J. Trump from getting re-elected. (protip: “libertarian cause” Joe)
MIKE RIGGS
Deputy Managing Editor
Who do you plan to vote for this year? While I would like to see a President Jo Jorgensen, I will settle for not having to live another four years under President Donald Trump. I will cast my first ever vote for president for Joe Biden in the battleground state of Pennsylvania. (protip: Mike didn’t really want to see a President Jo)
STEPHANIE SLADE
Managing Editor
Who do you plan to vote for this year? I am a true undecided: I’ve been vacillating between sitting out this election, as I did in 2016, or voting for Joe Biden. The strongest argument for the latter choice is that it’s an opportunity to support the repudiation of both Trumpism and the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wing of the Democratic Party. That’s a hell of a good value for a single ballot. (protip: Steph didn’t sit out)
ZACH WEISSMUELLER
Senior Producer
Who do you plan to vote for this year? It makes me a little queasy, but I’ll be voting for Joe Biden, primarily for three reasons: (1) A feeble president Biden seems like an opportunity to erode the power and glamour of the dangerous cult of the presidency and also push socialists, nationalists, and identitarians back to the margins, creating space for a more libertarian-friendly coalition to emerge. (protip: Zach wasn’t queasy)
MATT WELCH
Editor at Large
Who do you plan to vote for this year? Jo Jorgensen. If it was going to be close in my state, I might have considered holding my nose and voting for the person most likely to supplant the eminently fireable incumbent. (protip: Matt held his nose)
DemSalad was here a few days ago asking where the crossover was.
Trump discussed:
No CBDC
No wars
Reduced taxes
Reduced regulations
Free Ulbricht
Pardon political prisoners like J6
End federal funding of schools
Reduce the deep state
He got cheers to much of this. But the media seems focused on the Big L liberaltarians at the beginning. Who would boo anyone that doesn't promise to bake a cake or be antiracist.
He ultimately showed the crossover. There were boos and cheers. He stuck to his beliefs which pissed off the big L the most.
It was dumb to ask to be nominated, but he focused mostly on policy crossover.
All lies from Swampy Donnie.
Or just plain meaningless - like the CBDC and "no wars" sophistry.
Stop lying pedo.
Stop lying pedo.
Stop lying you fucking child rapist. Better you spend your time focusing on suicide.
Didn't anyone tell them that Trump is The One True Libertarian?
Didn't you ever learn that perfect is the enemy of good enough? Didn't you ever have to pick the lesser of two evils?
Nope, you're a good Democrat.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
So you shill for the greater of two evils.
Eh, what's the (D)iff, right?
Lol, he really does.
Well Sarc IS evil, so it makes sense.
Plus - its just a saying. May as well say the lesser of two not-perfects is still not perfect. Does that mean it is without benefit that one opts for the lesser not-perfect?
hmmm gets kind of confusing unpacking that question - ... the lesser not-perfect here is the closer-to-perfect [added for clarification.
just in case....]
I'm not shilling for anyone, dipshit. Your caveman tribal brain sees criticism of your political tribe as support for the other tribe. Wake the fuck up. Some of us aren't in a political tribe.
As far as shilling for Democrats goes, when have I ever defended Biden? He sucks. There isn't a single policy of his that I support. Same with Democrats in general. Economic liberty is important to me, and Democrats want to destroy that. Aaaaand, so does Trump.
When you only attack Trump. This so-called attack on Biden is the are example which proves the rule.
When you bring up Trump on every occasion, whether or not the comment you are replying to mentioned Trump.
When you call Trump the lesser of two evils and still refuse to admit there's anything good about him.
When you take every defense of Trump being the lesser of two evils as an endorsement of Trump being the best thing since sliced bread.
Your partisan D is all over everything you write.
D for Drunk.
Also Delusional, Depressed (clinically), "Different", Dejected, Declarative, and Deceptive.
D for Dementia.
Dementiacrats
When you only attack Trump. This so-called attack on Biden is the are example which proves the rule.
You're using Jesse-logic and making stuff up to explain what I didn't do.
When you bring up Trump on every occasion, whether or not the comment you are replying to mentioned Trump.
Like I did below talking about cops?
When you call Trump the lesser of two evils and still refuse to admit there’s anything good about him.
I've said it a million times, he made an effort to curb regulations and didn't start any new wars. Yay. Great job. Otherwise his presidency sucked. And you're right. I can't say anything good about him. I can't say anything good about Biden either. That's the part you deliberately ignore. Why don't you apply your Jesse-logic to my dearth of praise for Biden?
When you take every defense of Trump being the lesser of two evils as an endorsement of Trump being the best thing since sliced bread.
Maybe you guys should stop talking about Trump, The One True Libertarian, as if he's the best thing since sliced bread.
Your partisan D is all over everything you write.
As long as you ignore what I write and make up explanations for what I don't write, you're right.
My logic is pointing out the obvious.
You just practice taqiyya and lie about what you are doing.
You aren’t intelligent enough to get away with it. You are fooling nobody.
The problem is people here read what you write. Those old posts get cited here word for word and you continue to lie about what you wrote. Youre a hypocritical liar.
"You’re using Jesse-logic"
Popularly called "logic".
"and making stuff up to explain what I didn’t do."
Go back and read your own posts, drunky.
"You didn't ... therefore..." is not logic. It's making stuff up.
We read your words. We cite you words. You lie about your words.
Please don't pretend you understand logic either. With how many fallacies you use incorrectly you know nothing about logic.
Yes, you fucking Democrat shill, you are making shit up and lying about posts everyone can clearly see.
No one is making anything up, other than you Drunky. But being a shiftless scumbag with no accountability ties in with your severe lifelong alcoholism.
Go into any article here critical of Joe and the Democrats and you will find sarc attacking the right to deflect and protect.
Go into any article here critical of Joe and the Democrats
Don't you claim there are no such articles here?
There are few and they often are a boaff sidez chaff and redirect. Some “anti-Biden” articles had more instances of Trump than Biden. Marxist writers that want food trucks, ass sex, and weed aren’t libertarian.
Even if they exist they’re not critical enough, or not critical in the correct way. You see to be truly critical of Biden the article must attack him personally as well as attack his policy, it must include childish insults, it must include praise for Trump, it must denounce all prosecutions against Trump, it must claim all the J6 yahoos are political prisoners, it must denounce the murder of Saint Babbitt, and it must be approved by Trump’s campaign representatives in the comments.
Because no articles on Reason fit that description, they are all praise Biden.
If they exist? They don’t. Or else you could randomly choose an article and show you criticizing dems.
Want to go first to 5? I'll give you a head start and let you post the first 4.
Can you hurry up and drink yourself to death?
No.
Idiot.
What is with your need to take the insults you earned yourself and try to redirect him. Trump obviously never took an online test.
When one (re)reads that list, it appeared that someone told them Biden and his pink haired zoomer interns were the True Libertarians.
Trump argued that he was one of them.
‘Well in the last year I had been indicted by the government on 91 different things, so if I wasn’t a Libertarian before I sure as hell am a Libertarian now,’ Trump said. ‘I don’t like Joe Biden, I don’t throw people in jail for disagreeing with me.’
He added together that they were against ‘a government that spies on political campaigns.’ ‘I wonder who that might be? Like they did on me,’ Trump said.
‘The right to freedom has never been more in danger than they are right now. That is why I have come to extend a hand of friendship to ask for your partnership to defeat communism, to defeat Marxism and defeat Crooked Joe Biden, who is destroying our country,’ Trump said.
The MAGA factions of the crowd started a ‘we want Trump!’ chant.
‘Joe Biden’s radical left Democrat Party is a fascist movement who wants to throw you in jail if you post a meme they don’t like,’ the ex-president continued.
‘Joe Biden is a threat to democracy,’ Trump also said – a charge Biden consistently makes when referring to the Republican.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13460243/trump-booed-screamed-libertarian-convention.html
According to Trump, being indicted on charges that include trying to overthrow the election make him a Libertarian and Biden a threat to democracy, and his followers believe that shit.
This nation is doomed.
This nation is doomed.
If we re-elect Joe.
He has to shill for his senile master. But Sarc is totally not a leftist.
You will goose-step alongside the Cult of Donnie and you will like it.
Trump's the actual Nazi, not the party:
- screaming "Death to Jews!" in the streets
- illegally spying on citizens and political campaigns
- censoring the internet
- fielding agent provocateurs
- imprisoning dissidents and political opponents
Quit lying, Jesse. We have repeatedly told you to stop.
Biden is clearly on the side of Israel/IDF. There are not too many good things to say about Sleepy Joe but his support of Israel is one of them.
That, and he is not a proto-fascist like Donnie and The Cult are.
Support= withholding weapons.
Quit lying. Joe has sent weapons to the IDF. He is probably going to lose the election to a goddamn fascist because the dipshit progs call him Genocide Joe and are abandoning him.
Joe Biden 2 had horrible polling numbers prior to the most recent ME escalation. But chaff and his redirect away from that and blame some boogeyman instead.
"He is probably going to lose the election to a goddamn fascist"
That's right, the guy with a Jewish daughter and grandchildren is the facist, and not the demented coot who wants to imprison him on phony charges, and was discussing overthrowing the Israeli government with Iran.
Quit lying, Ali Ackbar Alexander, American Socia1ist, Dajjal, AddictionMyth, etc. We have repeatedly told you to stop.
If Biden was on the side of Israel/IDF he wouldn't have been plotting with Iran against Israel, shill.
Secret Iran-US talks on Gaza war undermined by Raisi death
Sources close to the discussions in Oman tell MEE that the delegations spoke about ending Israel's war and a shared desire for a change in Israeli government
Yeah, he’s not a proto-fascist, he’s a full on fascist like FDR.
Trump's supposed bromance with Putin has nothing on the crush FDR carried for Mussolini.
‘We’? You mean you, the other fatter pedophile, and the drunk piece of shit? Yeah, you falsely accuse him of lying for exposing YOUR lies. This is why you hate him so much.
You three are reviled laughingstocks here. No one gives a shit what you three worthless pathetic cunts think about anything.
According to Trump, being indicted on charges that include trying to overthrow the election
Gosh Sarcasmic, are you claiming those charges are legitimate? That petitioning the courts is overthrowing the election?
I didn’t say that. That’s just you being a Jesse and making stuff up so you can argue against it.
Fuck off.
Awe, poor sarc.
So what does he call what Hillary Clinton and John Podesta did?
https://mtracey.medium.com/the-most-predictable-election-fraud-backlash-ever-4187ba31d430
John Podesta, the Hillary Clinton campaign chairman whose Gmail account was reputed to have been successfully “phished” by fearsome Russian “hackers,” issued a statement demanding that electors be granted an unheard-of “intelligence briefing” — with the implication for what should be done with that “briefing” information too obvious to need stating outright.
If trying to overthrow an election is in fact a crime, John Podesta should have been prosecuted.
He doesn’t call it anything. He pretends it never happened.
You literally added he tried to overthrow the election which is not a charge in the indictment, it is the DNC talking point you retarded fuck.
I didn’t say that.
What’s this about then?
Sarcasmic – “According to Trump, being indicted on charges that include trying to overthrow the election make him a Libertarian and Biden a threat to democracy, and his followers believe that shit.”
Is Trump wrong? Are the charges legitimate? Because if they’re not then Biden is most definitely a threat to democracy by trying to imprison his election opponent.
I guess critical thinking and Boone’s Farm don’t mix well.
I said that the charges exist and he said that makes him a Libertarian. Everything else is you being a Jesse and making stuff up to argue against.
As I said before, fuck off.
I quoted you directly, accurately and in full.
Quit evading.
You're being a Jesse and making up implications and inferences to argue against.
Stop being a Jesse.
You realize when a dozen people call out your words, the problem is your own words, right?
His socks agree with him. He does have that.
It's clear as day, Sarckles. Everyone can read it.
Stop being a Jeffy.
Where is the charge for overthrowing the election charge? Thats a purely DNC narrative.
Sure Drunky, you’ve got the pedophile and the morbidly obese pedophile,on your side. So? All three of you are lying filth and Marxist scum. All three of you are regarded as serial liars and much worse by everyone else here.
Jesse tel the the truth, you three cunts don’t.
Case closed.
None if the charges include trying yo overthrow an election, for trying to ocerthrow an election is not a crime.
Bedides, even if he did, so what? He was entitled to do so.
But sarc isn’t a D, he just used their narratives.
There isn’t a single policy of his that I support. Same with Democrats in general.
According to Trump, being indicted on charges that include trying to overthrow the election
Sarc in the same thread. Denying he repeats dem narratives or policies, pushes dem narratives and policies. Mainly arrest political opponents.
He just keeps outing himself!
He got some cheers when he said he was against regulating crypto and a cbdc. And when he said he would have a libertarian in his cabinet. And when he said he would commute Ross Ulbricht.
Donnie had four years to free Ross.
Donnie is lying for votes again. Next he will say he built a border wall and made Mexico pay for it.
Your boy Biden definitely isn’t going to pedo.
He certainly tried but your man Soros and the Democrats tied the border wall up in hundreds of frivolous lawsuits.
Did you forget to mention that?
Also when he reminded the crowd he didn’t start any wars.
Biden has a near 50-year federal public sector record of warbonering including votes to invade Iraq and Afghanistan as well as numerous proxy wars including his support pf a corrupt bandera regime in Kiev. A libertarian voting for Biden anytime after say Gulf War 1.0 is fooling themselves and/or others regarding their views on government.*
* I’d accept an anarchy-libertarian voting for Biden believing, and perhaps rightly so, that this will accelerate the current downward spiral to get to some place different and potentially better than the current.
Also when he reminded the crowd he didn’t start any wars.
Low bar. Neither did Obama or Biden.
(Donnie's extrajudicial and rightful killing of al-Baghdadi is not a "war" - neither is the NATO killing of Qaddafi a war)
I know you Peanuts really like to label any gundown of some Islamo-terrorist a "war' but I call you out for your bullshit.
#ObamaKilledbinLaden
Low bar. Neither did Obama or Biden.
Obama kicked the drone-war into overdrive, and Biden is paying for two proxy wars.
Donnie escalated those drone attacks.
Point stands.
Donnie deserves less credit than Obama/Biden. Donnie would nuke up the Middle East/Israel if needed after Oct 7.
Edit- I'm giving all three a "Zero" on WARS started.
What the fuck was Libya, shill?
Obama - 1878 drone attacks in eight years.
Donnie - 2243 drone attacks in first two years (then stopped counts)
source - Bureau of Investigative Journalism
Guess I was wrong.
No. Buttplug is lying.
Stop falling for it. And not just phony numbers, he left out Libya too.
I looked it up and he’s right. While Obama’s use of drones made Bush look like a peacenik, Trump’s use of drones made Obama look like a pussy. And that was over four years instead of eight.
I bet a million dollars you didn't look that up, because Buttplug's figures were bullshit... and you're still ignoring Libya and everything done and dropped during the Libya war.
Pay up
According to a 2018 report in The Daily Beast,
Lol!
That's not a source, clowntits, it's a fucking Google search, and aside from an invocation of the Daily Beast (lol), none of the links appearing in the search have any citations either.
Remember ML, Hamas is the only source he has available regarding palestine so he has to trust their numbers also.
But if you’d are post any actual numbers about the costs of illegal immigration your source is racist.
More lies from the pedo.
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2019-10-29/us-strike-figures-further-intensification-of-air-war-afghanistan/
If you pretend dropping bombs on a country isn’t war you’re a liar, lying pedo.
Then admit that Donnie is a warmonger for his thousands of bombings in Afghanistan.
I am consistent.
Donnie - Zero wars started
Obama - Zero wars started
Biden - zero wars started
Putin - one war started
Hamas - one war started
Bush/Cheney - two wars started
I am consistent.
Consistently lying.
President Obama, who hoped to sow peace, instead led the nation in war
U.S. military forces have been at war for all eight years of Obama’s tenure, the first two-term president with that distinction. He launched airstrikes or military raids in at least seven countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.
Putin has had several wars of liberation against globohomo. Donbas, Crimea, Chechnya, and Georgia. Your bum boy brigade have lost three of those and are likely to get the goose egg on the fourth.
You’re a lying pedo.
I'll note that the link to where that site got the figures from, naturally, does not work. The ONLY link to explain their numbers, mind you.
It could be a felony to click on a Pluggo 2 link.
Statements libertarians cheered for Trump going on the record with:
•commuting sentence of Ross
•and J6ers w/libertarian assistance
•returning education to the states
•abolishing DEI & gender ideology
•putting libertarians in cabinet & senior positions
•avoiding WWIII
https://x.com/TRHLofficial/status/1794628682201330090
She’s talking about buttplug and sarc:
Both the left & right are using clips out of context. I was there. I livestreamed Trump’s speech. There is a reason you aren’t being shown Dave Smith & Clint Russell’s speeches or interviews w/ me or Angela, & are only being bombarded with either boos or soibois:
MSM propaganda.
https://x.com/TRHLofficial/status/1794722101410304391
Reason, sarc, pedo, and the sock puppet brigade still think the libertarian choice is Biden. Boehm cited Afghanistan as a case for support.
You have a vivid imagination.
Why did you and Mrs. M get divorced?
Quite weird he hasn't been around since people started calling him sarc.
The most libertarian vote is for gridlock which means D POTUS since the R party will take the Senate. 50/50 today with Manchin and Tester certainly out and no D pickups.
We can’t afford another full Red government like in 2003-2007 and 2017-2019. Republicans have shown they can’t hold spending down.
#GridlockforProsperity
Dems suck too but they will lose the Senate.
Are the rest of your NAMBLA pals voting for gridlock?
"Trump booed and heckled by raucous crowd at Libertarian convention"
Hey Sarckles, Pedo and the rest of Team D!
Here's what the Libertarian Party chair had to say when your Biden Harris HQ team tried to gloat like you two chucklefucks:
You didn't even show up. You have zero credibility.
LOL
This is not a video from North Korea.
This is a video from America.
This is ‘The Peoples Conference for Palestine’ in DC.
Synchronized marching, worshipping the Palestinian flag & singing as if they are attending a communist North Korean parade.
Look more like fat, flag-waving, female Brownshirt's at a Munich rally in the late 20s than a DPRK parade to me.
Well its at least reassuring in one big way:
That room is mostly filled up with retarded SJW women, and soy men.
If/when push comes to shove, these people aren't going to do well.
Video: MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell defends Michael Cohen stealing from the Trump Org.:“Cohen [was trying] to rebalance the bonus he thought he deserved, & it still came out as less than the bonus he thought he deserved & the bonus he had gotten the year before”
The prisons are full of poor men who were simply trying to "rebalance their bonuses"
It’s ok of you steal money from orange man.
Do you work for NYC? (Or DNC?)
Embezzlement is legal in NYC as long as it's never caught.
He admitted doing so to the DA while working on the Trump case. At the time the statute of limitations had not expired. The DA ignored it.
I mean, their minions are "by any means necessary" zealots who think if you were to defend your property from a rioting mob then you are the one who is in the wrong, and infringement upon your political opponents for current-cause is not only OK, but good.
Stealing money from Trump? Shit, I'll be surprised if they dont try and find a way to get him some kind of national commendation.
Miniapolis is a shit place that let's the animal Arabs run free
Something about democracy, and people getting what they asked for. Hard.
MN is the state where the extremes of white guilt are shown to the world.
It's their Scandinavian naïveté about uncivilized people. Same reason that Sweden is being literally raped by "immigrants".
That's OK. Not long ago, many of them thought Hitler was a cool dude.
A thousand years before that, many Scandinavians boarded dragon boats and went wilding.
Maybe those very long summer days affected testosterone levels.
Video: Chuck Schumer: “Our ultimate goal” is to give every illegal alien citizenship.
But remember, if you point out Democrats are trying to rig elections by replacing Americans with new voters, Jeff will call you a crazy conspiracy theorist.
Except for that immigrant guy from turkey who thinks our border is too wide open. He won’t get to vote.
Was he also illegal? If not he never counted.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/even-the-illegal-immigrants-are-shocked-by-our-open-border/
Correct. The Great Replacement is pure alt-right MAGA conspiracy. Demographic Destiny (with a boost from immigration) is a righteous vision.
Babylon Bee editor:
1. We hire all the fired Media Matters writers at @TheBabylonBee
2. We tell them it's a serious journalism job
3. We have them keep writing the same stuff they were writing before
4. Profit??
Looks like Jeff has a job offer.
Babylon Bee fifty-centers? I might cosign several here being highly qualified for that.
And sarc can get a job working for the Clownworld account.
Maybe they will brink back that Drunk History show.
Except sarc goes out of his way to stay ignorant of history, so everything in the show would be wrong.
Hard to know if it would be comedy or tragedy.
His source material would be People's History of the United States and the 1619 project.
No malt liquor?
The 40 Project?
1619 40s.
Also known as Sarcs memorial day.
At Maine’s 5 cents per empty, he may have enough funds for Tuesday’s activities after visiting the redemption center.
“time for any reason. It's a sad day for free speech.”
Could this guy be anymore up his own asshole?
Love how they are framing this as "our free speech was shut down because an evil billionaire snapped his fingers to silence us" and not "we are a hack partisan operation who increasingly produce product no one wants to buy"
You know what billionaires like? More money. If you were actually producing something of value, they wouldn't be "shutting down your free speech"
Rolling Stone magazine adopts a secret pro-Trump stance, makes an in-kind campaign contribution.
Trump reportedly told oil industry executives this week that he will immediately approve all of their projects and expand drilling should he win in November.
More awful things he's promised if he gets a second term: https://rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-second-term-plans-wildest-proposals-1234947327/
Swampy Donnie - Bribes R' Us.
Bribes like what?
Did he have a drawer full of burner phones, 5,400 emails from 3 fake email pseudonyms, conduct 20+ phone calls with foreign oligarchs, and receive $50 million in foreign influence peddling income, according to Congressional accounts, into 20+ shady LLC's via dozens of shady bank accounts, paid out to 9 different family members?
Donnie said for $1 billion in contributions to his campaign he will do their bidding.
Google it.
You won't find it on wingnut.com though.
You won't find it anywhere because he didn't say that.
See, lazy shit like this is why they fired you you from the fifty-cent factory.
Trump asked oil CEOs for $1billion in campaign donations in exchange for scrapping Biden's policies on electric vehicles and fossil fuels
Oil executives gathered at Mar-a-Lago for an energy roundtable with Trump
Pro-Trump Daily Mail
Trump should aks Bob Menendez to be his VP. Funds will roll in.
“Trump asked oil CEOs for $1billion in campaign donations in exchange for scrapping Biden’s policies on electric vehicles and fossil fuels”
How the fuck is that a bribe, shill? That’s what campaigning is.
In fact, if he’d said that it would have been less problematic than ‘Hey, young people, vote for me, I’m going to forgive your student loans.’”
First of all, nobody is sure if the meeting occurred and when it happened because the WaPo claims it was told by an aNonYomOus sOuRcE, which usually means they’re making it up.
But even so, what YOU claim is not what Trump the aNonYomOus sOuRcE and the WaPo article actually claimed:
You all are wealthy enough, he said, that you should raise $1 billion to return me to the White House. At the dinner, he vowed to immediately reverse dozens of President Biden’s environmental rules and policies and stop new ones from being enacted, according to people with knowledge of the meeting, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a private conversation.
And this is taken from your favorite shill shop, MSNBC
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO STOP LYING, BUTTPLUG?
"Donnie said for $1 billion in contributions to his campaign he will do their bidding."
Trump supported a mass increase in drilling before he even ran for President.
Gotta keep up with Biden's rig count.
1) Israel finds the bodies of hostages in UN buildings.
2) UN's top courts orders Israel to stop looking and go home.
That's where we are.
Things that trigger immediate outrage:
-Pine tree flags
-Catholic commencement speeches
Things that require nuance and context:
-Calls for eliminating Jews
-Support of Hamas
The pine tree flag at BLM marches picture going around is hilarious.
Sarc level historical ignorance requires for that outrage.
Why must NPCs besmirch pine trees?
Fuck the UN.
You know what would actually reform police behavior?
GET RID OF IMMUNITY.
All that bias training, more rules, different policies -- just words. It doesn't change incentives.
What does change incentives is personal responsibility and accountability. Here are two really simple steps to reform all police, whether local, state, FBI.
* Get rid of immunity. Police who fuck up get sued, personally.
* Require cops to have their own personally paid malpractice insurance. Fuck up too much, premiums go too high, and they can't find any department willing to pay enough to cover the premiums.
If the first one scares cops because they're worried about frivolous lawsuits or criminal charges, then add a third step to the entire US judicial system.
* Loser pays. Everything. If it was spent because of the case, it gets repaid. Lost wages, travel expenses, investigators, lawyers, vacation time. Every last nickel and dime that would not have been spent absent the case.
This micromanage bullshit never changes anything, it just increases the bureaucracy which causes the problems in the first place.
Not sure how that would change the biggest problem, which is police culture. YouTube is full of videos of cops violating rights and breaking the law. I’ve seen one, just one, where another cop tried to intervene. She was rewarded by being grabbed by the neck and threatened, while the rest just looked on and smiled. That is the biggest problem, and I really don’t know what to do about it.
Damn you are dense. Obtuse, even.
I'd like to blame the alcohol, but it's probably purposeful and deliberate.
I'm serious. Eliminating immunity only opens them up to civil suits. Doesn't mean they will win. They'll have extremely expensive lawyers hired by the unions to represent them. They'll have the backing of every officer in the department as well as leadership. And if loser pays, as you suggest, then no one will sue the cops unless it is a slam dunk. Because if they lose they'll be in debt for the rest of their lives.
Allowing comments doesn’t mean you will comment wisely.
And to your point -- if losing such lawsuits was such a slam dunk, why are cops and prosecutors and judges so deathly afraid of allowing them?
Use what passes for a brain, if you can find it.
I understand your point and used to think it was a silver bullet, until I used my brain.
Cops have prosecutors and judges on their side. Everyone is on the same team. So winning any case, criminal or civil, is an uphill battle. The entire system is built around protecting police. If you’ve got major media on your side you might have a chance, but otherwise it has to be a slam dunk.
But adding ‘loser pays’ on top makes it even worse because police don’t pay for their own defense. They have unions and departments and fraternal organizations willing to shell out millions to protect criminal cops. That’s not going to stop unless laws are passed banning people from paying for the defense of others. There goes the Institute for Justice. I’m not sure that’s a great idea.
So unless the case is a guaranteed win, the victim of the police runs the risk of millions of dollars in debt if they lose.
Remove 'loser pays' and your idea has more merit.
User your brain.
I ask again: why are police and prosecutors and judges so scared of losing immunity if their winning is such a slam dunk?
And I ask a new question: do you really think only the police have buckets of money backing them, and do you really think they would spend millions defending every case, especially when they had no hope of getting it back from poor people?
The harder they make it to win, the harder they fall when they do lose, and it wouldn't take very many of those losses to incentivize them.
Loser pays helps poor people far more than the rich. Yeah, use that brain, if you really think you've found one lying around. It sure doesn't look like you found anything other than something caught in a mouse trap last year.
I ask again: why are police and prosecutors and judges so scared of losing immunity if their winning is such a slam dunk?
Not sure why prosecutors would care. Immunity only affects civil cases, not criminal. As far as judges go, they're on the same side as the police. They don't want to rule against their own.
do you really think only the police have buckets of money backing them,
They have a lot more backing than the people they harm.
and do you really think they would spend millions defending every case, especially when they had no hope of getting it back from poor people?
Not every case, no. But if they think they can win, yes. And that would be all except the most egregious. And if they get everything back when they win, then the definitely will.
Loser pays helps poor people far more than the rich.
How? When poor go up against the rich who can afford the best attorneys, and they lose, they're fucked. That means they better not sue unless they know they can win.
Use your brain for something other than insults.
You sure don't believe your own propaganda. Poor people with a good case are going to attract good expensive help because they have a good chance of getting it back from the rich losers.
Go find a different brain. That encrusted lobster isn't any better than the one you found in the mouse trap.
The rich losers, though, will be the taxpayers who have to pay the judgment. One of the big issue with governments being corrupt shits.
Poor people with a case can get attorneys who will work on contingency, but that doesn’t help them if they lose and owe millions for the cop’s defense.
Again, try using that brain for something other than insults.
Judgements are good for 20 years, they'd go after poor people.
Cite you having a brain?
Oddly enough you support the Capitol officers committing murder.
“…it just increases the bureaucracy…”
This is the reason they do that instead of actually trying to fix anything.
What would stop municipalities from paying off the judgements against cops anyway?
Schumer plans vote on 'constitutional right to contraception' in bid to protect Senate Democrat majority
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer to put Republicans on record on birth control, contraception with fast-tracked vote
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/schumer-plans-vote-constitutional-right-contraception-bid-protect-senate-democrat-majority
Conservatives will no doubt deny that citizens have a right to use contraception.
#ChristoFascism
#FederalistSocietyHatesLiberty
Give us our goddamn "natural rights" you motherfuckers.
What natural right?
You already have the universe's greatest contraceptive: the human brain.
You and retards like you refuse to use them.
What natural right?
The most fundamental of rights - the right of self-determination.
(I know - conservatives think they alone determine what rights a person has)
And pedo misspeaks again. I would think a pedo who likes underage sex would be thrilled to admit that a fetus is a human. If you cannot understand the other side, if you pretend that only your own viewpoint exists, then your opinion is worthless.
Lest everyone forget who you are ...
A few years back you posted kiddy porn to this site, and your initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead you keep showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around.
https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836
You'd think for a guy that likes to rape children he'd be bigger on births.
I bet the only time he fucks women is when they're pregnant and he's so stoned he imagines his big dick is jabbing the fetus.
Did you two enjoy your little side-fucking?
The jokes make sense because you were banned for posting a link to kiddie porn.
I was?
Same Buttplug. Same IP address. Same Reason site.
...then, uh, why the "2" at the end of your name?
Except for the permaban from Reason of your original handle.
Yes, it is the same IP address.
Same IP address as the handle that got permabanned?
Imagine that.
Evidently, you are incapable of understanding what I actually said.
But then again, those that want their sex habitats aren't capable of restraint.
No, I understand you.
Please list all natural rights and your source. I will then compare your list to mine.
I don’t claim rights are natural, that implies that infringement is impossible. Imprisonment and punishment can’t occur under such an understanding, so most governments reject them.
Your turn.
Well then you misunderstood my original post.
I also reject the idea of natural rights. Sure, it made sense in John Locke's era but the Federalist Society has shit all over the concept and rendered the term meaningless today.
Now you're lying, since the op of this nest is specifically about why contraceptives are "natural".
Dog deeper pedo.
My quote:
"Conservatives will no doubt deny that citizens have a right to use contraception."
I specifically omitted "natural".
Then I used the term in quote marks to indicate sarcasm.
You support Chuck Schumer trying to get a law passed that says you have a “constitutional right to contraceptives”.
The constitution is pretty clear that the founders thought our rights are natural, so saying you have a constitutional right to something is basically saying you have a natural right to something.
Republicans have tried making them OTC for years now.
I would refuse to vote for it because Schumer is an inbred fuck.
Yep, turd lies.
Can you define self-determination in a way that does not take from others?
Conservatives will no doubt deny that citizens have a right to use contraception.
Oh look, Pluggo is pretending that the Democrats enshrining late term abortion is “birth control”.
But Plugly knows that in reality the Republicans have long promoted over-the-counter birth control:
Why Republicans are pushing for over-the-counter birth control
#PluggoFascism
#OpenSocietyHatesLiberty
WASHINGTON — Donald Trump, the Republican Party’s presumptive nominee for president, suggested during a taped interview with a Pittsburgh TV news station Tuesday that he might be open to states restricting access to contraceptives, though he later appeared to backtrack.
....
“We’re looking at that and I’m going to have a policy on that very shortly and I think it’s something that you’ll find interesting,” Trump said on KDKA. “It’s another issue that’s very interesting. But you will find it very smart. I think it’s a smart decision, but we’ll be releasing it very soon.”
https://kansasreflector.com/2024/05/21/trump-signals-hes-open-to-state-limits-on-contraceptive-access-then-insists-hes-not/
Donnie always caves to the Federalist Society Christo-Fascists.
That ain't inconsistent with Trump said.
After all, he's been pretty friendly towards federalism.
Yes, it is consistent with Donnie's inconsistent nature and finger in the wind political bullshit.
See also the time he supported prison terms for women who aborted until he was told it wasn't yet time to say that part out loud by the Federalist Society.
"WE'RE GETTING THERE" -Federalist Society
Do you think if Joe Biden puts a 2 after his name, the low IQ Act Blue types will forget his crimes against children?
Just admit you are not a libertarian and conservatism is dying.
Admit your crime of posting links to child pornography here with your original account which got banned as a result.
At this point he probably jerks off when accused of that.
"Yes, it is consistent with Donnie’s inconsistent nature and finger in the wind political bullshit."
Where, in that exceptionally anodyne quote, did he even approach the laughable hyperbole you attributed?
Donnie always caves to the Federalist Society Christo-Fascists.
Oh no ! Trump likes federalism!
If anyone hates the idea of federalism it's global corporatist Open Society neo-Nazis like Buttplug.
#ButtplugBrandImperialism
Turd lies.
It would take all of three seconds to twist that from allowing access to forcing it to be provided. And something tells me there’s probably a poison pill in the bill that federally mandates some stance on abortion just to make sure Republicans don’t call their bluff.
Furthermore, there is no need for a “constitutional right” that singles out contraception. The 9th handles it quite well.
something tells me there’s probably a poison pill in the bill that federally mandates some stance on abortion
That's exactly what is in it and Buttplug knows it.
An unhealthy man overdosing that simultaneously summoned the police due to an attempted theft by deception (fake money) then resisted the outcome of his actions also succumbed to his lifestyle choices, both long-term and short-term, is a strange role model for folks. Freddie Gray or Eric Garner were better examples of bad policing than this or “the gentle giant.”
Nevertheless, the cop killed him.
Someone who smothers his dying wife in a coma in a hospital because they had agreed beforehand to do this for each other nevertheless killed her.
Someone who falls out of an airplane without a parachute and is shot to death died from the shot, not the fall.
Someone who has a heart attack and falls on the knife he is carrying ….
And so on. I’m sure you can make up a zillion alternatives. Regardless of them all, the cop killed Floyd. Whether it was murder or justified or what, the cop killed Floyd.
ETA I have read many cases of "suicide by cop" where someone charges police with a fake gun and gets killed; regardless of being justified, the cops still are bothered by having killed someone. Even the cops admit the killing was justified, in spite of not enjoying it.
Floyd’s life choices killed Floyd. Chauvin was contributory.
No. The cop killed Floyd.
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people."
Floyd may have tried to commit suicide. He may have built up enough drug immunity to survive. But no one will ever know, because the cop killed him by kneeling on him. Maybe that's even what Floyd wanted.
Passing counterfeit money was stupid. Taking those drugs was stupid. Refusing to get in the cop car was stupid. But the cop killed him, justified or not, foreseeable or not. Suicide by cop is still suicide by cop.
Floyd’s poor choices killed Floyd. Chauvin was contributory.
How much did floyyd weight, what about chauvin? Where was chauvins knee? Why was floydd already complaining about breathing minutes before he forced himself out of the police suv.
What direct action caused his death?
Floyd killed Floyd. Nothing Chauvin did caused his death.
The real autopsy report, not the politicised version but the real report indicated that Floyd had three times the fatal amount of fentanyl in his system .
By the time the police caught up with him, he already had one foot in the grave.
Maybe. But maybe if the paramedics had gotten to him quickly enough, and gotten NARCAN into him quickly enough, he might have survived. They couldn’t, in part, because the crowd wouldn’t let their vehicle through. One other difference between then, and the time he ODed a couple months earlier, was an intervening bout of COVID-19, which appears to have compromised his lungs.
The cop did not cause the death. The drugs caused the death. He was already complaining about not being able to breathe in the car. His lungs were full of fluid, a result of fentanyl OD. Stop with the wrong narrative.
Stop with the time travel narrative. If Floyd would have lived only another minute without the cop kneeling on him, then the cop killed him.
The belief that Floyd wasn’t killed by the cop isn’t based upon what happened. It’s because admitting he was killed by the cop would mean admitting that the other political tribe was right about something, and that the protesters had something to protest. That will never happen for the same reason why the same people are incapable of giving credit to Biden for expanding on Trump’s trade war, or admitting that Reason writes articles critical of Biden. Principals, not principles.
"STOP BEING MEAN TO BIDEN, GUYS!" --- the guy who does not like Biden nor defends him.
Floyd’s life choices caused his death. It wasn’t like an LEO shooting an unarmed protester that was civilly trespassing. I’m goad we can both agree that in a hypothetical like that, the LEO committed murder.
Bullshit. Even if one accepts that the cop killed the junkie, the mostly peaceful riots were pure manipulation of low IQ idiots via cynical racial grievance pimping. The riots were exactly what they wanted. Nothing organic about it.
You’re starting to sound like a certain “radical individualist” around here.
It is based on actually reading the primary evidence instead of telling us what happened through CNN.
You are ignoring the facts. Chauvin kneeling on him had nothing to do with his death.
He disnt even die from. Suffocation. Have seen multiple people say that today already. His heart gave out from stress. Stress causwd by the drugs and lack of oxygen from his lungs filling with fluid, an OD.
When they get the basic facts wrong it is easy to tell they have simply accepted the media narrative.
Freddie Gray or Eric Garner
Or John Crawford.
Saint George Floyd: Drug free for four years now.
Congratulations, George!
Police killings. Earth-shattering societal problem or mercenary political issue? Let's go to the numbers.
In 2023 claimed police killings were at least 1200, including 1163 shot. To put this into context, 3,150,000 people died in the US in 2023. Death by police thus accounted for 0.038% of all fatalities. We can guess that some of these were suicide by cop, and some were justifiable. That leaves a number of unjust victims of state violence on par with accidental drownings in bathtubs and falling off ladders.
Of the 816 shot with known race, 229 were black (425 white, 133 hispanic, 29 other). Are blacks over-represented? Maybe, if corrected for location and other context.
So? Are police killings bad? Yup. Are the police out of control? Maybe (but mostly not). Is this the most defining issue of our society? I guess if you want it to be.
Are Blacks overrepresented if corrected for Black rates of violence and criminality, and their behavior when confronted by police? That's the question.
Most often it tends to line up pretty spot on with rates of violent crime.
The one specific group that is over represented in police shootings is also the group that is over represented in committing violent crime.
Analyzed another way, Asians commit almost no violent crime and are pretty much never killed by police
Chicago/year to date:
Shot and killed: 172
Shot and wounded: 819
total shot 991
Total homicides: 201
Stats courtesy Hey Jackass
Congrats Chicago you just hit the 200 mark for non demonized homicides.
Thousands of UK elderly murdered to beef up Covid fatality numbers.
https://slaynews.com/news/hospitals-euthanized-patients-boost-covid-deaths-whistleblowers-testify/
Several whistleblowers have provided explosive testimony during an official inquiry, revealing that hospitals were euthanizing patients during the pandemic and blaming their deaths on Covid.
The patients were reportedly given a lethal drug combination
before their deaths were listed under “COVID-19” in an apparent effort to boost the number of fatalities from the virus.
The bombshell testimonies were provided during the ongoing Scottish COVID-19 Inquiry.
The independent inquiry has now been ongoing for almost two months.
The panel is investigating failures in Scotland’s response to the pandemic.
The witnesses specifically testified that elderly patients were being unnecessarily administered end-of-life protocols.
Those who tested positive for the virus were given deadly doses of drugs such as midazolam and morphine, even if their Covid symptoms were only mild.
However, when the drugs killed them, the patients were listed as having died from Covid.
The whistleblowing testimonies were provided by government officials and Scottish citizens who witnessed the practice.
However, the issue wasn’t just limited to Scotland, as Slay News previously reported.
A damning report emerged in February that sent shockwaves around the world after an investigation into the high numbers of “Covid deaths” during the pandemic uncovered evidence that tens of thousands of elderly people were actually murdered to boost the mortality rates.
The official UK government data produced for the report indicated that people across England were also being euthanized using a fatal injection of midazolam.
The cause of their deaths was then listed as “Covid,” indicating that the virus was killing far more elderly people than it was.
We were told there would be no death panels.
Socialized medicine can't work without strong and independent death panels.
Ex-Gov Cuomo approves.
More like a bellwether to see what happens when you mix Somali-style anarchy and socialism.
That's easy. The anarchists kill and eat the socialists.
when a Minneapolis cop killed George Floyd.
George Floyd killed George Floyd.
None of this stopped Officer Derek Chauvin from keeping his knee on George Floyd for nine minutes.
Because that force was not excessive given Floyd's behavior.
There was essentially no bruising from the knee pressure, which strongly suggests that it was not excessive.
The purpose of the position Floyd was put in is to put the subject on his side and keep him there, so that he doesn’t aspirate his own vomit. Yes - that’s what people do when they OD on narcotics. They very often vomit, and if on their backs, where they are most comfortable, they can, and often do, aspirate their own vomit, and die as a result. That’s why he was removed from the police SUV - to get him on his side, and keep him there until the paramedics arrived. While in the SUV, they called for the paramedics, Code 2, but upped their call to Code 3, when Floyd’s condition continued to deteriorate. Unfortunately, the crowd attracted by his arrest and medical issues prevented the paramedics from being able to get them through quickly enough…
Trump vows to commute sentence of Ross Ulbricht, challenges Libertarians to vote for him in historic address
"If you vote for me, on day one, I will commute the sentence of Ross Ulbricht," Trump told the audience,
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-trump-vows-to-commute-sentence-of-ross-ulbricht-challenges-libertarians-to-vote-for-him-in-historic-address
Lawfare proves that our justice system works!
https://thepostmillennial.com/biden-wants-to-use-white-house-setting-to-address-trump-trial-verdict-report
Biden plans to use 'White House setting' to address Trump trial verdict: report
The White House reportedly intends to portray to the American public, regardless of the trial outcome, that the legal system worked and the judicial process should be respected.
“This is an important moment and the president first and foremost needs to stress that the American system works, even and especially in an election year,” explained one of the anonymous sources that spoke to Politico. “And in a measured way, it becomes part of his argument against Trump too: Do Americans really want this?”
Should Trump be convicted, Biden plans to argue that this verdict demonstrates Trump's unfitness for office. Biden's campaign team is also preparing to launch social media posts attacking Trump, potentially labeling him as "Convicted Felon Donald Trump."
The real goal.
From Tone Deafness to Total Deafness.
It’s almost like they want trump to be more popular.
nor were they astroturfed by shadowy, deep-pocketed Marxists. They emerged from decades of political tug-of-war between local activists, city officials, and the powerful Minneapolis police union.
Phelps identifies the first group as "21-century police reform," the Obama-era technocratic campaign led by liberal city officials, police chiefs, and policy think tanks.
One of those statements does not comport with the other.
This pilot program included sending officers to implicit bias training,
On the subject of this neo-cultural Marxism that the author carefully heads us off at the pass about, may I inquire as to the actual materials used in the 'implicit bias' training? Hmm? Can I see some of the materials in there? And if I look at the materials, am I going to find it chock-full of those famously hilarious historically dubious and uncontested non-evidence based assertions that just roll off the critical theorists' tongues?
Googling around, I came across this Business Insider article. Again, I say, Business fucking Insider
Well, that certainly didn't take long.
But I feel like I need to dig deeper. So let's do some research on Minnesota's "implicit bias training' and see what I can find.
Oh, here's a nice link. It's from MN public schools, but implicit bias training is going to come from the same acorn, so let's start here... let's see. Oh, here we go:
One-hour recorded webinars with Dr. Allen
These webinars from Dr. Rosemarie Allen were recorded in the fall of 2019 and are free to view! Click the links to the titles below to watch any time.
Hmm, Dr. Rosemarie Allen. Who dat? Let's do some digging:
Well, the drone feels like it's beginning to hover over the right targets...
Here's a link to a video Webinar:
Microaggressions and Cultural Humility.
Hoo boy... Let me listen for a few minutes.
Oh zee OMG lol... yes, definitely NOT funded by shadowy Marxists. I would agree with her on that point, these Marxists aren't that shadowy, they're right there, in your face, telling you they're Marxists... you know, just like that organization that Uber Libertarian Jo Jorgensen got firmly behind:
So lessee here, "The Danger of a Color Blind Society!". She starts with the idea that the big mistake the Multicultural and Diversity movements made is they excluded white people, and the unintentional result of that is it 'normalized White Culture'-- it created an environment where there was a belief that White Culture didn't exist.
then it devolves into the normal Race Marxists tropes of "being on time being white" etc. etc.
Fuck off. We're done here.
The idea that a career criminal and habitual drug addict can be turned into a martyr simply because George Floyd made one last bad decision after another his entire life and liberals want to blame everybody else but him. This is typical of liberal thought process.
The truth is ignored by the left. Facts are distorted and the truth is obfuscated in the name of political correctness or whatever the left has going on these days.
Floyd is responsible for his own death just as he is responsible for the lifetime of criminal activity and drug use. No one else is. He made his last decision to ingest dangerous drugs and no one else is to blame.
This is not now, and never has been, about George Floyd! Despite all attempts to reframe the actual issue, this is about rogue cops acting outside of their training and standard operating procedures. It's about very bad policing enabled and promoted and protected by powerful police unions and corrupt political systems. It's about misguided policing theories and policies and very bad laws. Until the scope and mission of police departments everywhere are changed and the authoritarian statutes and ordinances they are supposed to be enforcing are drastically reduced nothing will improve.
Nope. You want it to be about rogue cops. But they really didn’t do anything wrong. They followed protocol, removing Floyd from their SUV, and placing him in a position where he wouldn’t aspirate his own vomit from his OD, after they belatedly realized that was what was going on (it was initially hidden by the meth he had also taken). The position that they were taught at their police academy. They didn’t put him in that position to torture him, but rather to try to save his life. They failed, but not for want of trying.
Friend from college spent his career in the ER where Floyd was pronounced. It’s where the knife and gun club of Minneapolis go to die. He got sued a time or two a year, year in, and year out, for medical malpractice. It’s because that’s where people die from violence, and, despite the best care possible, from narcotics overdoes, like Floyd. He never lost, because he wasn’t the reason that they died.
My point there is that Floyd was put into that position, and held there, in order to try to save his life. It probably increased his chances of surviving. But it obviously wasn’t enough.
“They are caught in the bind of being simultaneously overpoliced and underprotected.”
There is a very good and very simple reason for this phenomenon: it is, quite simply, impossible for police to protect people. Even if a law enforcement officer happened to be standing right there at the exact moment that a crime is committed, the perpetrators will ALWAYS have the advantage of surprise. In fact, the whole premise of community policing under the “broken windows doctrine” is not only wrong but actually counterproductive! Every contact between civilians and police is an opportunity for disaster to happen. The only reasonable model for protection against criminals is for each person to be ready and capable of defending herself. The only function for law enforcement officers in that model is to respond to crimes in progress, carry on a careful investigation of the crime after the fact, and present charges against the suspected perpetrators based on reliable evidence. We do not have to discuss “defunding” of police in that context, we only have to discuss how to punish rogue officers and de-claw the organized crime syndicates also known as “Police Unions.”
While I agree that police always represent a possible unwarranted use of violence resulting in death and interactions with them should be minimized, at the same time, part of the problem is how you react to police reactions.
Don't be high on drugs and don't resist arrest and your chances of being killed police drop dramatically.
By focusing on cases like Floyd or Mike Brown, the water is muddied when there is real, genuine police malfeasance.
It wasn’t just that Floyd was high. It was that he was in the process of ODing on narcotics, and that its presence had been somewhat initially masked by meth or crack (don’t remember). Before he was even arrested, he was exhibiting problems breathing, and foaming at the mouth, indicia of a narcotics OD. But these alternated with manic bouts from the meth/crack.
"Don’t be high on drugs and don’t resist arrest and your chances of being killed police drop dramatically."
Your chance of being killed by police should be ZERO. The default position for every law enforcement officer and every police and sheriffs department in America should be to contain and wait whenever possible. There is no possible excuse for any of these cases either in the moment or in retrospect. If George Floyd died of an overdose on the sidewalk after refusing to be forced into the patrol car, that's on him. If he died with a police officer's knee on his neck for nine minutes, that's on the police officer and he deserves to do time in the pen for his crime. But by all means continue to be a mindless apologist for Rambo wannabe cops! Hey, back the blue, amirite?
There is a very good and very simple reason for this phenomenon: it is, quite simply, impossible for police to protect people. Even if a law enforcement officer happened to be standing right there at the exact moment that a crime is committed, the perpetrators will ALWAYS have the advantage of surprise.
One wonders if there's any overarching condition that would give the perpetrator pause before committing the crime?
Why, sure! If almost every person a criminal might encounter is armed and ready to defend herself, that might give a perpetrator pause before committing a crime. The last time I checked being under the influence in public, passing counterfeit twenty dollar bills and resisting arrest were STILL not capital crimes. None of the infractions Floyd was suspected of justified handcuffing him, trying to force him into a patrol car, forcing him handcuffed face down on the concrete and keeping your knee on his neck for nine minutes. Everything I’ve ever heard in defense of the rogue cop who killed Floyd were unbelievably feeble excuses or misstatements of clear facts in evidence.
Another overarching condition that might give criminals pause would be a proven track record of police actually catching a high percentage of perpetrators of actual real crimes, a high rate of conviction after properly conducted investigations using reliable evidence for actual real crimes. As long as 99% of the convictions are of prostitutes, low-level drug dealers, petty infractions for things that shouldn't even be regulated in the first place, and for mouthing off at cops who shouldn't even be on your street, and then released to commit more crimes, I doubt that most criminals will pause very long these days.
Minneapolis is New North Somalia.
Which party controls Minneapolis, again?
I'm not entirely up to speed on the ruling party in Somalia.
The Somali flag now flies above the statehouse.
https://thedispatch.com/article/does-minnesotas-new-state-flag-resemble-that-of-an-autonomous-somali-state/
Ultimately the key is making a society where police are not needed. People should be able and willing to defend themselves (and not being punished for acting in self defense), and people should feel that crime is not an option, either economically or for entertainment or social status.
Until that changes, nothing will be solved. The places with low crime don't have better police, they just have better citizens.
If that were implemented in our current crime-ridden neighborhoods, the result would be walled territories ruled by tribal warlords, like in Pakistan. The real solution is a spiritual revival in the shithole neighborhoods, with their people rejecting the dissolute lifestyle that creates the criminals. The thugs they fear are their own children.
"The places with low crime don’t have better police, they just have better citizens."
They often have even less of a police presence. I rarely see a police car in my neighborhood, an occasional traffic stop here and there maybe from a speed trap, but in general they are just not in my area, because they aren't needed there. Go to a shitty neighborhood, or downtown, and you see a squad car every other street.
Someone said it above, but the problem is we let the inmates take over the asylum. The people directly responsible for terrible policy both in terms of crime, corrupt police unions etc, are the ones we also let run amok with the defund the police 'solution'. They created the initial problem, and they also created the worst solution to it.
Massive crackdown on crime needs to be the solution. Standing by while mobs of people rampage through stores looting anything they want, in the name of racial justice, isnt working. Standing by as those same people burn buildings down isnt working. Everything has gotten worse under blue policies.
People are missing the fact that the Defund the Police movement was the Democratic party response for the despicable way they managed their police forces in Democratic run cities. The police engage in abuse (civil asset forfeiture, arrests for petty crimes, no-knock raids, policing for profit, etc.) and don't protect the people because that's the way many Democratic politicians run the police.
The Defund the police policy, plus the absurd "systemic racism" (anyone who believes it is a racist by definition), were distractions from the Democratic politicians' responsibility for Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck for 9 minutes. It was their standard police procedure.
You didn't hear Democrats talk about reforming the police, because that would be an admission of their failure to manage them properly.
You can check it out in Google Trends: "Defund the Police" peaked shortly after Floyd died,