Stormy Daniels' 'Credibility Issues' Reflect a Broader Problem With Key Witnesses Against Trump
New York prosecutors are relying on testimony from several people who do not seem trustworthy.

On July 13, 2006, Stormy Daniels says, she had sex with former President Donald Trump in his suite at the Harrah's Lake Tahoe Hotel and Casino, where he was staying during the American Century Celebrity Golf Championship. At the time, Daniels was a 27-year-old porn star who had started writing and directing adult films, and Trump was a 60-year-old billionaire real estate developer who had gained renewed celebrity as the star of the NBC reality TV show The Apprentice. He had married his third wife, former model and future First Lady Melania Trump, the previous year, and their son was four months old.
A decade later, shortly before the 2016 presidential election, Daniels agreed to keep quiet about that alleged 2006 encounter in exchange for a $130,000 payment from Michael Cohen, Trump's personal lawyer. That agreement is at the center of Trump's first and possibly last criminal trial, in which Daniels testified this week at the New York County Criminal Courthouse in Manhattan. In trying to peddle her story to the press as Trump was running against Hillary Clinton, Daniels told the jury, "My motivation wasn't money. It was to get the story out."
That implausible claim illustrates a broader problem that the prosecution faces in trying to establish that Trump committed 34 felonies by disguising his 2017 reimbursement of Cohen's payment to Daniels as legal fees. Even leaving aside the convoluted, legally dubious theory underlying those charges, prosecutors are relying on the testimony of several key witnesses who do not seem trustworthy.
Daniels said she decided to go public with her story in early October 2016, when The Washington Post published a 2005 video in which Trump bragged to Access Hollywood host Billy Bush about what he could get away with as a celebrity. "You know, I'm automatically attracted to beautiful [women]," Trump said. "I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. When you are a star, they let you do it. You can do anything—grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."
Prosecutors have emphasized the importance of that recording in understanding why Trump was eager to silence Daniels. His motivation, in turn, is crucial to the argument that the hush payment was a campaign expenditure, that Cohen therefore made an excessive campaign contribution by fronting the money, and that Trump falsified business records to cover up that crime.
"Those were Donald Trump's words on a video that was released one month before Election Day," lead prosecutor Matthew Colangelo said in his opening statement. "And the impact of that tape on the campaign was immediate and explosive. Prominent allies withdrew their endorsements; they condemned Donald Trump's language….The Republican National Committee even considered whether it was too late to replace their own nominee and find another candidate for the election a month before Election Day."
Trump and his campaign staff "were deeply concerned that the tape would irreparably damage his viability as a candidate and reduce his standing with female voters in particular," Colangelo told the jury. So the next day, when Cohen learned from David Pecker, then the CEO of the company that owned the National Enquirer, that Daniels was pitching her story, Trump "was adamant that he did not want the story to come out. Another story about sexual infidelity, especially with a porn star, on the heels of the Access Hollywood tape, could have been devastating to his campaign."
As Daniels tells it, she was equally determined to tell her story. Yet she ultimately decided that was less important than reaping a windfall from her silence. Daniels did not publicly discuss her relationship with Trump until March 2018, when she appeared on 60 Minutes after unsuccessfully trying to get out of her nondisclosure agreement. This was two months after The Wall Street Journal revealed that Cohen had paid Daniels not to do what she eventually did anyway.
In April 2018, Daniels sued Trump for defamation after he called her account of what happened in Lake Tahoe a "fraud." A federal judge dismissed that lawsuit on First Amendment grounds that October, and Daniels lost her appeal. She was ultimately ordered to cover more than $600,000 in Trump's legal fees, which she said she would not do.
Since going public, The New York Times notes, Daniels "has leaned into her Trump-adjacent fame. She has sold merchandise, filmed a documentary, sat for high-profile interviews and written a book that was so tell-all it included detailed descriptions of the former president's genitalia."
Daniels' testimony on Tuesday likewise was a bit too graphic for Judge Juan Merchan's taste. "At one point," the Times reports, "he even issued his own objection, interrupting her testimony as she began to describe the sexual position she and Mr. Trump assumed." During a sidebar discussion, Merchan remarked that Daniels' testimony included "some things better left unsaid" and "suggested that Ms. Daniels might have 'credibility issues.'"
Trump lawyer Susan Necheles highlighted what she said were inconsistencies between Daniels' testimony and the account she gave in her 2018 memoir, Full Disclosure. Necheles also suggested that Daniels had invented an encounter in which she said a Trump supporter had threatened her and her baby daughter in a Las Vegas parking lot, noting that Daniels had not told the girl's father about it.
More generally, the defense team argues that Daniels has financial and personal reasons to lie about Trump. Cohen paid Daniels "in exchange for her agreeing to not publicly spread false claims about President Trump," Trump's lead defense attorney, Todd Blanche, said in his opening statement. "When Ms. Daniels threatened to go public with her false claim of a sexual encounter with President Trump," Blanche told the jury, "it was almost an attempt…to extort President Trump….It was sinister, and it was an attempt to try to embarrass President Trump, to embarrass his family….President Trump fought back, like he always does and like he's entitled to do, to protect his family, his reputation, and his brand. And that is not a crime."
None of this means that Daniels fabricated her account of a sexual encounter with Trump, which is completely consistent with his character and history. And strictly speaking, it does not matter whether Daniels is telling the truth about what she and Trump did in 2006, or even whether her story would been "devastating to his campaign," which is doubtful for the same reasons: Voters knew about his adultery and his disregard for sexual consent, and they elected him anyway. They may very well do so again, even after a jury found him civilly liable for sexual assault. But under the prosecution's theory, all that matters is that Trump was worried that Daniels' story might hurt his chances; that he arranged the payoff for that reason, recognizing that he was thereby violating federal campaign finance rules; and that he tried to hide that crime with phony business records.
Daniels' "credibility issues" nevertheless are apt to affect the weight that jurors give her testimony. Likewise with Pecker, who testified that he agreed to pay off two other people with potentially damaging stories about Trump—former Trump Tower doorman Dino Sajudin and former Playboy Playmate Karen McDougal—as part of an arrangement that included notifying Cohen about such threats, running positive stories about Trump in the National Enquirer, and running negative stories about his opponents. Pecker said he had similar, mutually beneficial arrangements with other celebrities, including politicians, and that he sometimes used dirt about them as leverage to obtain access and information.
In addition to those unsavory details about Pecker's style of journalism, jurors heard that he and his company avoided federal prosecution by agreeing that the McDougal payoff qualified as an unlawful corporate campaign contribution. The legal pressure that resulted in Pecker's cooperation casts doubt on that characterization and on his testimony that Trump was mainly worried about the election when he arranged the nondisclosure agreements with Sajudin, McDougal, and Daniels.
Cohen, the source of crucial links between the Daniels payment and the charges that Trump faces, has yet to testify. But Trump's lawyers argue that he is a vindictive former loyalist who "cannot be trusted."
Cohen "cheated on his taxes, he lied to banks, [and] he lied about side businesses he had with taxi medallions, among other things," Blanche told the jury. He was "disbarred as an attorney, he's a convicted felon, and he also is a convicted perjurer." According to Blanche, Cohen had a grudge against Trump, because he "wanted a job in the administration" and "didn't get one." He therefore decided to "blame President Trump for virtually all of his problems." Cohen is "obsessed with Trump," Blanche said. He "rants and raves" about his former boss on podcasts and social media and "has talked extensively about his desire to see President Trump go to prison."
Even Pecker, who had a relationship with Cohen that long predated the 2016 election, portrayed him as difficult, badgering, hotheaded, and extremely unpleasant. While all that may be legally irrelevant, Pecker's testimony also suggested that Cohen was dishonest and unreliable, repeatedly promising to reimburse Pecker for the Sajudin and McDougal payments, which he never did.
This is the guy that prosecutors will be presenting as their star witness. Blanche claimed that "Mr. Cohen has misrepresented key conversations where the only witness who was present for the conversation was Mr. Cohen and, allegedly, President Trump." Whether or not that's true, establishing reasonable doubt about the veracity of Cohen's account should not be difficult.
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The trial is supposed to be about improper entries in company books, not if some chick spread her legs.
Exactly. The judge shouldn’t have even allowed her to testify. There was no legal basis to allow that.
The who,e purpose for her appearance was to embarrass Trump. Period.
This lawfare is Biden's campaign strategy. They don't care whether they secure a conviction or if it's tossed on appeal. They hope the salaciousness of it all will turn off enough undecided voters to give Biden an edge in November.
establishing reasonable doubt about the veracity of Cohen's account should not be difficult
NYers rarely have doubts. Smug a-holes. Donkeys.
NYC should be put under martial law.
NYC should be put under a mushroom cloud.
More tears, pleeeeez! A toast to the Classical Liberal Caucus!
Eastern Washington and all of Idaho needs to be under martial law.
Thank you, kommisar.
Indeed. Eric "cueball" Adams claims to have a special cell prepped for Trump after the convictions. Adams better be careful or he may end up in one of his own prepared cells. LOL!
Between Adams, Brandon Johnson and London Breed, the three of them have the combined IQ of an idiot.
Well, I don't think that worked well. She apparently went on a who's who of who she screwed. Many of them are apparently saying that they have no idea what she's talking about.
Stormy would have been a much more suitable First Lady than Melania was.
Donnie should have pulled The Switch.
Both traded on their looks. Stormy enhanced, and in many positions. Melania natural, and in 7 languages.
Melania has more class than most of the young women in America.
That’s not saying much. Waiting until after the dinner and a movie to spread their legs is about as classy as girls are today.
You just hate immigrants.
Cullum, that interview quote was not about "disregard for sexual consent", it was about groupies and casting couch sexual piggishness. Now that may be unsavory and may fall afoul of aexual harassment policies.
Now tell me what you think about Bill Clinton being elected twice with similar known attitudes and proclivities, because I suspect you were among the "it is his private life" crowd back then.
Yeah, 'believe all women' somehow always seems to be treated (D)ifferently. Not sure why, can't place my finger on it...
Women are just as much liars as men. Possibly worse.
Believe all women died after a black boy was accused after his bag accidently rub up against her in a crowded bodega.
Actually, it WAS about disregard for sexual consent, but in the negative. He was marveling about how easily he came by it, as a celebrity: "they let you do it."
It's a Manhattan jury. These are not citizens but political zombies. All the prosecution had to do to guarantee a conviction was to announce that the defendant's name was Donald Trump. Face reality.
Getting the excuses in a bit early...
"Daniels was a 27-year-old porn star ... prosecutors are relying on the testimony of several key witnesses who do not seem trustworthy."
Surely you jest! Remember that the jurors are all carefully vetted die-hard Democratic Socialists hand-picked by die-hard Democratic Socialist prosecutors in a trial supervised by a die-hard Democratic Socialist judge who are all knowingly conspiring in a political show-trail based upon unconstitutionally broad and vague laws for fake crimes that have nothing whatsoever to do with the laws cited for the purpose of interfering with a national Presidential election. Do you really think anyone cares whether the witnesses are reliable? Bwahahaha!
With evidence that some jurors originally selected lied on their jury pool forms to get on the jury.
Is there one place where all of the different issues with POTUS Trump's trials are outlined and summarized?
With NYC: We have prosecutor issues, judge issues, validity of charge issues, conduct issues, 1A issues
The other cases have similar overlapping issues, but their unique pieces, too.
Is there any publication keeping organized track of it all that you are aware of?
Not that I’m aware of. Legal Insurrection is usually good regarding the trials.
I can't wait to see Jack Smith run himself over with his own car.
It sounds like you don't want to protect flyover people like myself from evil businessmen improperly documenting business stop. We here in the Midwest will not stand for misdocumentation. We believe in the second amendment and will enforce proper documentation. We have a little bit of civilization.
This: “ Daniels told the jury, "My motivation wasn't money. It was to get the story out."
That implausible claim illustrates a broader problem that the prosecution… ”
and this: “ None of this means that Daniels fabricated her account of a sexual encounter with Trump”
Don’t go together. FFS, either you’re going to slut shame her or not. Shit or get off the pot, man.
Jeff or ONS... interesting.
Bring back slut shaming.
Bring back shaming, period.
I don't see slut shaming here. The claim is implausible because she quickly accepted the "hush money" before talking to anyone in the press. She clearly valued the money over the truth because there was absolutely no stick, only carrot.
The hush money came from that disgraced lawyer Cohen.
included detailed descriptions of the former president's genitalia."
Mushroom sales down.
!!!DONALD TRUMP'S PENIS!!!
DONNIE'S FUNGUS IS OUT!
"Donnie's Fungus" sounds like a good user name.
Says the guy with a 2008 vice presidential candidate as his name.
But... whutabout HUNTER?????? >sob...<
Daniels' testimony on Tuesday likewise was a bit too graphic for Judge Juan Merchan's taste. "At one point," the Times reports, "he even issued his own objection, interrupting her testimony as she began to describe the sexual position she and Mr. Trump assumed." During a sidebar discussion, Merchan remarked that Daniels' testimony included "some things better left unsaid" and "suggested that Ms. Daniels might have 'credibility issues.'"
Sullum, do you purposefully only add half the story?
Trumps lawyers wanted her testimony as a witness dismissed as her meeting with Trump, if true or not, has no bearing on the laws Trump was charged with. It adds no validity to the charge nor provides evidence of wrong book keeping.
The Judge even admitted to this and pretended to set guard rails for the prosecution who blew right threw them. And Merchan did nothing about it.
The Judge has also limited testimony of an ex FEC Chairman whose testimony is 100% germane to the laws involved, namely personal vs campaign expenses.
And given the recent over turning of Weinstein, you would think the Judge realized what he did, he just didn't care.
Youre the supposed "legal writer" at this rag, yet are missing big instances of state and prosecutorial abuses. The testimony was 100% prejudicial and has no bearing on the facts of the case itself.
Do you ignore this out of hatred of Trump or out of ignorance?
It's both hatred and ignorance.
The whole piece, leading to the hand wringing about "but the voted for him anyway..." Geez fuck this guy's broken. Completely, mentally damaged.
Can't just address the big picture issues of political prosecution, of dozens of felony charges for a book keeping error, of the obvious attempt at making a salacious moment to produce a flurry of negative headlines regardless of the merits of the case. Hell, even the enormous expense of a massive investigation and trial for something pretty much inconsequential to anyone in NY.
Gotta make it about "I hate Trump" and "How can icky republicans have voted for Trump?"
Fucking broken, man. But that's how it goes. The broader issues don't matter to the TDS addled. And too stupid to realize, regardless of how often he's told. Point something out to a cat and it's likely to stare at your finger as where you're pointing.
This is lawfare. This is how the communists sent people to the gulags. Constitution be damned. Bill of Rights are being plowed under and Joetato has no problem with it either.
The people who support trump know that if they can rail road Trump , they will do the same to anybody else.
You will be next.
This was no bookkeeping error. It was deliberate falsification of business records. 34 crimes. The only question is whether Trump committed 34 misdemeanors or 34 felonies. Your Cult Leader is a crook.
That Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen have the same depraved morals as Trump does not make Trump look good. To the contrary it shows that not only does he have depraved morals but he chooses to have people around him who are just like him.
Sullum is a partisan moron, and a liar.
The Judge has also limited testimony of an ex FEC Chairman whose testimony is 100% germane to the laws involved, namely personal vs campaign expenses.
I'm not sure this was an abuse of the judge's discretion. Your typical state rules of evidence prohibit experts from offering their legal opinion as to the evidence; whether an expenditure constitutes a "personal expense" or a "campaign expense" sounds like a legal conclusion to me rather than an issue of fact.
Is the decision on whether it was “personal” or “campaign” something the jury is allowed to decide? Or is it something where the judge will declare which it is and the jury will be told they are required to accept that?
Bragg is relying on campaign finance law to determine the uppers for felony regarding book keeping. Application of the law is absolutely allowed to be introduced as an explanation for the law.
The legal system needs consistency in application.
Are you fucking retarded? He could absolutely provide an expert opinion as to whether the rules he was overseeing and interpreting should consider such personal or campaign. Might not be legally binding but his opinion of how that determination would go should be germane to the very heart of the fucking question here.
Exactly. He wasn't being called to render a legal opinion about the Trump case. He was to testify about FEC standards something that he is clearly an expert on.
Hey, this is the best we will get from Sullum that Trump is getting an unfair trial.
Do you know how painful this must have been to write? Tears streaming down while muttering "orange man still bad". He had to go hug his Biden doll in shape of a potato
“He Said I Reminded Him Of His Daughter": Stormy Daniels At Trump Trial”
GAHEWW!! Does anyone know where I can get one of those Karen Silkwood steal wool brushes? I think I need one.
If you’re voting for Biden you definitely do.
I think those are on the shelf right behind the copies of Biden's daughter's diary... Shower soap aisle.
Even in her prime, no one would have said Stormy reminded them of Ivanka.
What a ridiculous statement.
She’s 100% believable. I know, I know… she fucked a lot back in the 90s so that makes her suspect with all the libertarian moral scolds around here, but doesn’t change facts that everything about the story is credible. OTOH, if you believe the defendant in this case you’re probably the type of fucking imbecile that thought OJ was innocent.
The case has almost nothing to do with the former porn star and who or who did not fuck her.
Believable back when she denied it? Believable when she said she blacked out during it? Believable when she said she forged her own signature?
Her doing some fucking has squat to do with her believability. Her motivation (admitted to hating Trump on the stand) might be just a teensy bit more of a concern if you were paying attention and not setting up fallacies.
You mean she denied it when she was being paid off to deny it? Yes, as I said, she’s completely believable Her silence in the face of asshats like you that probably would end up sending her death threats and sexist abuse is completely understandable.
Well adjusted Biden guy
Oxymoron or regular moron?
It is one of the regular idiots. Came pre muted for me. I only have a handful grayed.
No, I mean she denied it in 2011 when specifically asked by a gossip website, asshat.
If you are going to be an argumentative douche, at least try and get a fact or two correct.
And I note that you didn't touch any single other argument I made, and just jumped straight to 'if you disagree with her you must be an asshat who would threaten her'. Are you over the age of 8?
that shut him up!
Her testimony was entirely irrelevant and prejudicial. If you’d like to engage with your fellow idiot travelers, may I suggest taking your talents to Huffpost?
Fucking useless jackass.
QueeroSledge is desperate for Beastmarked girl-bullying Maga Trumpanzees in their commentariat.
^ Biden was here.
OTOH, if you believe the defendant in this case you’re probably the type of fucking imbecile that thought OJ was innocent.
Or the Steele Dossier was fake!
God, can Trumpian morons make arguments without resorting to whataboutisms and non-sequiturs (see above). I’ll check back and see.
You literally brought up OJ you moron.
Everything was credible? Even the part where she said she wasn't seeing anyone at the time of the encounter only to later state that she didn't tell anyone at the time about it cause she didn't want her boyfriend to know?
Fuck Joe Biden
Not even Stormy Daniels would do that.
I actually do think OJ was innocent. I think it was the Goldman kids coke dealer who sent a guy to kill him as an example but picked the night Goldman went to the Simpson home after work. The hit man found Goldman talking with Nicole Simpson and had to kill her so not witnesses were left. That's why he hit her hard to knock her out first and then dealt with Goldman. After which he killed the witness, Nicole Simpson.
Goldman's dad pulled strings with the Judge to keep all discussion of his son's coke habit out of evidence. Thus the defense was only left with trying to destroy the credibility of the cops. Which they effectively did.
So you think all of the blood with OJ’s DNA in it at the scene and in the Bronco were planted or just there for an innocent reason? Or that Brown’s and Goldman’s blood also happened to be in the Bronco innocently or was planted?
Huge police conspiracy?
That's why we have trials and people are considered innocent until proven guilty. A free people should not trust that government agents are above reproach and in fact should distrust anyone who comes from the government to "help".
Crime labs are about as credible as global warming scientists.
Did you follow the trial? Where the defense essentially pulled the Chewbacca defense because they knew the jury knew nothing about DNA testing? They attacked if I recall 3 samples out of over a hundred, and convinced the jury that if those three were bad, I guess you have to throw it all out? How ridiculous is that?
You and I both know jury nullification played the majority part of that trial. It might make you feel better to try to come up with a different 'theory', but the facts were plain. He was a emotional wife beater, his DNA was all over the scene, their blood was in his Bronco, etc. Give me a break.
You want to play eternal skeptic and say no one is trustworthy, that's fine, I certainly can't change your mind. Its a little sad, but it is what it is.
Police have to PROVE a man guilty. If their evidence was worth a shit then they would have done that. Their evidence was all based on lab results, expert testimony. Experts as reliable as the experts who tell us global warming is real.
Of course, and most reasonable people who followed the case and saw the evidence presented were shocked that the jury still found him ‘innocent’.
Jury nullification was strongly at play here, and that had nothing to do with the strength of the evidence. You want to blame the weakness of the evidence or poor lab results, however those were shown to be accurate and reasonable.
I know you don’t want to admit it out loud, but we all know he murdered those people, the evidence showed it. (You still don’t want to address why his DNA was all over the scene and why their blood was in the Bronco.) The jury simply flipped the bird at the justice system. Police can have crystal clear evidence, but in the face of a jury who refuses to convict, that sort of ruins the system, right?
This is too over the top as a parody.
Semi-related question: the case revolves around categorizing payments to Cohen as 'legal expenses' in lieu of something else.
Would it be relevant/helpful for the Trump organization (and perhaps other companies) to show that they routinely categorize as 'legal expenses' expenses that weren't payments for legal fees specifically, but rather a loose grouping of expenses paid to their various law firms? (I'm thinking items such as attorney travel expenses, copying and legal research fees, court filing fees, office overhead allocations and the like, in which case payments to Cohen might fall into the catch-all of 'legal expenses'?)
That’s where any bookkeeper would put it.
Many law firms pass on direct costs to those who hire them. They are legal expenses. It isnt just hours. Travel, payments, fees, etc get tacked on as legal expenses.
The problem with your idea is that it could lead to great accusation of illegal book entries.
Hillary's "falsified" business records listed as "legal fees", somehow, did not generate any criminal charges.
And she was a NY resident.
Trump should be treated the same as her.
The falsification was for the purpose of getting the law enforcement and intelligence establishment to give the illusion of credibility to the whole "Trump Colluded with the Russians®™ to Steal the 2016 Election" propaganda campaign.
Was that propaganda campaign a criminal copnspiracy.
If you ask your lawyer to go out and buy you a house, you can't record the purchase price of the house as "legal expenses".
I'm not sure how important the false categorization is to the prosecution's case, but stop pretending it's normal to lump everything paid via a lawyer as "legal expenses".
What if it is a NDA your lawyer negotiated?
"credibility issues" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
the whole trial is an absolute farce.
Poor sad BAYBEEEE!
Stormy O'Daniel would like you to eat her Farina and vote her in a second term.
Sex blackmail is blackmail.
Fair warning, don't search that phrase at work.
Who would have ever thought that a chick who gets paid to fuck other people on camera might not be entirely credible?
Trump apologist Jacob Sullum strikes again with another error-riddled diatribe about the WITCH HUNT against Toadstool Boy. Predictable and sad.
Wut.
What the fuck are you smoking, Mr. Ed? It must be good as Sullum is hardly a "Trump apologist".
I think he got some from Hank.
Every Sullum article I've read over the past 6 years is pretty much a Trump excuse fest. Maybe I just come here on the wrong days, ones that end in 'y'.
Trump apologist? You're not from around here are you new guy.
I am familiar with EdG.
He is a bit dim of wit!
On the 100 watt lightbulb brightness scale, EdG is a 98 while Michael is a 50 at most.
lol, imagine posting this unironically.
You don't like Trump's nickname of Mushroom Boy? It's based on a physical characteristic described by his women.
Was reading an article elsewhere about Weinstein's overturned conviction in NY.
IANAL so I may need some clarification or correction here but...
The Molineux rule in NY meant that non pertinent testimony by someone with only the purpose of undermining the credibility of the defendant was not to be heard in court. It was in Harvey's case by two women who were not involved in the actual counts of sexual assault he was on trial for.
So the question is... is Daniel's testimony not the same? She was not involved in his bookkeeping. She was not involved in receiving a campaign contribution (the lawyer was). Her testimony is farther down the road than the purported crime. And the purpose of her testimony was merely to undermine Trump as a person, not to prove he did the act he is charged with.
Am I getting something wrong here?
Nope. Youre 100% accurate and this was brought to Merchan and he ignored it.
The case will get tossed.
Not by this judge. Unless “tossed” means something else.
Exactly correct. And current appellate case law from last fucking week. Either Merchan is even stupider than he appears or he's willing to be overturned on appeal as long as he can continue his political vendetta.
The whole indictment shopuld have been thrown out for legal insufficiency!
I think you've nailed it there. Think of Harry Reid lying in Congress about having proof Romney didn't pay any taxes; "It worked, didn't it?". Or those prosecutors who went after Ted Stevens in Alaska on a crime they were concealing evidence that he was innocent of.
This would hardly be the first case where the legal assault fell apart after the election, and what did it matter? They threw the election, and that's all they were trying to do.
So, sure, Trump will win on appeal. But with a NYC jury, he's hilariously doomed the first time around.
Do you remember Maraxus?
Because I will never forget Maraxus.
Here is Maraxus, writing in support of prosecuting Rick Perry for abuse of power.
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You’ve asserted that public officials must be held to a higher moral standard than the rest of humanity. First, I’d like to know why that is the case.
She did uphold the law. She was arrested, went to court, pled guilty to the charges (i.e. she accepted responsibility for her actions), and was punished accordingly. She could have pulled a Perry and attempted to use her position to get out of the DUI charge, but instead she had enough integrity to accept responsility for her actions.
See, when we elect a district attorney, we trust them to do one thing: prosecute crimes. So long as they prosecute crimes, and do that properly and well, they’re doing what we asked them to. They are doing the bare minimum of what we expect from them- correctly using the powers of their office to perform the assigned duty. Driving drunk may reflect poorly on the DA’s character and mean they should not have been elected… but it doesn’t mean they have failed to do the actual job the public trusted them to do. We didn’t elect this DA to be sober, we elected them to prosecute cases.
Seriously, she made a bad decision and followed it up by doing the right thing. What’s blowing my fucking mind is apparently we have shitheads on this board that are attempting to justify Rick “The Dick” Perry making a blatant attempt to shove a shill appointee into one of the few effective anti-corruption enforcement agencies in the state of Texas.
Plus, if you actually read my arguments (which I doubt), you would have to notice that IT DOES NOT MATTER whether Lehmberg has lots of integrity or no integrity. Perry is not being charged with “thinking Lehmberg has no integrity.” He is being charged with misusing the power of his office and threatening to misuse taxpayer money, in order to coerce an elected official into acting in a certain way.
It DOES NOT MATTER that you think Perry was justified in doing so because this particular elected official was dishonorable and inferior. It is not Perry’s place to hire or fire Lehmberg, and it is not his place to threaten to defund a law enforcement operation in an attempt to blackmail her into resigning against her will.
Your appeals to “common sense” do not impress me. Give me a good reason why a moral failing, which incidentally has nothing to do with investigating corruption, should automatically disqualify a person from holding office. You assert without cause that this is the case. Please provide evidence that Lehmberg’s DUI has harmed the PIU’s integrity in any way. If you can’t do this without repeating some version of your “DUIs are rly bad guys” silliness, then maybe you should just go away.
And as for The Hammer, that’s true. He did get his conviction overturned by the Texas Supreme Court, an elected body that consists almost entirely of conservative Republicans. They didn’t think DeLay actually did all that stuff, and Texas doesn’t really have much in the way of campaign finance laws anyway. It makes no matter, though. He was still a cancerous growth on Congress’ asscheek, begging for a public fall from grace. And when he got convicted the first time around, we as a nation are better off for it. Ronnie Earle did humanity a favor when he realized that DeLay broke campaign finance laws, and he did us an even greater one when he got DeLay convicted. Whether or not “justice” was actually served against him isn’t so important. The fact that he no longer holds office though? That’s very important.
Of course! And the people on the Travis Commissioner’s Court would have tossed Lehmberg out on her ass a long time ago. They’re not doing it because there are, frankly, more important things at stake. In a state like Texas where the GOP has historically run roughshod over the Dems, they cannot afford to lose powerful positions like this. Considering the number of cases coming out of the PIU, including, incidentally, a Perry-allied ex-official who channeled millions of dollars to some of his big contributors, the Travis DA’s office has more influence than just about any Democrat in the state. If Perry didn’t have the right to appoint her replacement, and he almost assuredly would have appointed a fairly right-wing replacement, I’m sure the Travis County Dems would like to tell Lehmberg to take a short walk off a long pier. Unhappily, there are more important considerations at hand.
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Back in 2014, this was an extremely fringe belief. There was no way Maraxus’s ideals could become mainstream.
Now it is clear that the Democratic Party adopted Maraxus’s ideals.
The Democratic Party is the party of Maraxus, now.
In the animated series Gargoyles, there is a character called Demona, whose schtick was vengeance against those who hurt her and her kind.
To deal with Maraxus, we must become the party of Demona!
I used to admire Sullum's objective reporting when I was young and foolish. But when as many as five girl-bulliers dressed up as perhaps fifty drooling sockpuppets started into foaming carpetbiting convulsions over his QUOTING the Grabber Of Pussy, I realized something was wrong. Only a communist atheist would QUOTE Don John verbatim, right? Then again, a couple of other unidentified socks shrieked Sullum is a secretly infiltrated Trojan horse's ass Trump apologist! So which is it? If Sullum says "alleged," he's Satan, and if he says "credibility," suddenly he's Beelzebubba. Which of the ONLY TWO possibilities is correct? Allah forbid we consider a third option!
""when I was young and foolish.""
I'm sure only one of those has changed.
But Stormy is the recipient of the money at issue in the business records. And because of her profession (porn star) it adds credence to the theory of why Trump would not want her story out during the election. Timing of the transaction is what the State wants. Before he was running for election, nobody was interested in her story. After the access hollywood shit blew up, then people were definitely interested. She can testify to these facts because she interacted with some of the other witnesses who already testified (Davidson her attorney etc...)
She isn't there to undermine Trump's credibility per se. But she did speak to the fact that at the time of the actual sex, Trump didn't tell her not to tell anybody. He didn't care about Melania finding out. Because if the defense argues "Trump paid this so his family wouldn't be upset" or whatever... now the State asks the jury to look back to her testimony to rebut that.
Trump could testify himself to refute Daniels. But no lawyer worth his fee would let Trump testify under oath because he would both incriminate himself and commit perjury. Trump doesn't believe laws apply to him and he is incapable of telling the truth on anything.
I don’t think that what is being done to Trump is an attempt to get him convicted and sentenced to jail. The appeal would be immediate and Trump would be released on his own recognizance, free to campaign.
On the other hand, if the jury is hung, Merchan gets a second chance to try Trump. That keeps him out of circulation and gagged for another six weeks or so. The two lawyers on the jury could make this happen. If Bragg and Merchan think that there may be a conviction, Merchan can declare a mistrial based on the obviously improper testimony of Stormy Daniels.
Either way, Trump gets gagged and forced to remain in court.
In states where the margin between Trump and Biden is on the order of 10,000 votes, any cut to Trump’s campaigning could make the difference.
There was a time when voters sick of being bullied and shot by The Kleptocracy had a Libertarian Party to turn to, for secure borders, no prohibition laws and a second repeal of Torquemada Comstockism. Instead they get anarco-fascist girl-bulliers with a smaller, harder, angrier, mystically brainwashed Gee Oooh Pee! Sad.
There was a time when liberals supported prosecutorial reform too.
One man breaking them of that show how little they support real reform.
Agreed. The problem is the more fake charges against Trump, the more disgusted people are. Trump is actually doing better currently not campaigning. He's ahead in most of the states.
Democrats were to afraid to leave it up to the people. Their banana republic/fascism is not popular.
These aren't fake charges. The falsified documents are real. Anyone other than Trump would have copped a plea in exchange for a light sentence. The evidence is that overwhelming for misdemeanor convictions.
Anyone other than Trump would not have been tried on such nebulous charges.
Trump and his campaign staff "were deeply concerned that the tape would irreparably damage his viability as a candidate and reduce his standing with female voters in particular," The Grabbers Of Pussy sure got over than when it came time to add Mutterkreus Mom, KKKavanaugh and Gorbasuch to Alito and Long Dong's Supreme Court Klavern. Trump could ask the Comstock Kooks to resign and maybe get some callgirl voters back that way.
Wonder if AI could be trained to translate gibberish.
I'm pretty sure this is AI writing the gibberish.
Another Steele Dossier huh… How UN-surprising.
Isn’t that what the last 5-years have been repeatedly?
What happened. Did the lefts own gun-regulation keep John Wilkes Booth grand-children from owning guns this time around; As the left fights endless to keep its citizen-slavery ledger alive?
I really wish I could bring myself to care about any of this. But really, the prosecution of political enemies is the only thing worth getting worked up about.
Has it dawned on anyone yet that our "choices" as it stands for the next POTUS are:
A) An obviously senile man who constantly gets lost and poops his pants on camera when he's not struggling with his mortal enemy Stairs, with an incoherent unlikeable gibbering cackling moron for a Veep.
B) A degenerate sleaze that can't keep his mouth shut who's easily open to legal attacks both civil and criminal, with a shortlisted potential Veep-pick that just bragged about shooting her dog for being too yappy.
C) The guy with brain worms from the family of known amoral crazy people, with a Veep that is only there for her money and to teach him how to use social media.
So, y'know, the goat rodeo that are the Trump trials - really, who cares. We should all be dreading the next president, and hoping that someone - anyone - comes along to give us SOME kind of alternative.
"too yappy"? There are a lot of programs in DC and the federal government more broadly that should be shot in a gravel pit because they've done the equivalent of killing chickens for fun and attacking people.
I'm voting for Chase Oliver. His spoiler votes in Sherman's March cost donors one thin dime apiece. Looter parties had to cough up 200 times as much pelf, boodle, payola and forfeited assets, and Oliver still chased them into runoffs! Every such vote is worth 200 times its weight in repeal of asinine laws. (http://bit.ly/3hFH6QJ)
Platforms of the looter Kleptocracy spew 70,000 words of coercive drivel. That takes 8 hours to read. LP platforms take 20 minutes to read, and repeal bad laws faster'n you can holler "git a rope!"
Voters had plenty of alternatives in the primaries, and rejected all of them.
That's the DNC/GOP machine working hand-in-glove to provide you the illusion of choice. And they insist that it's a "binary" one more than anything, and stoke the flames of partisanship. Because it removes the necessity of a candidate having merit.
They don't have to earn your vote anymore. They get it by default simply by "not being the other guy." (And promising a tenure more akin to a Benevolent Dictatorship than a Presidency, depending on the partisan's respective definition of "benevolent.")
Having succeeded - we're now an electorate that doesn't vote for what we want. We're one that votes against what we're afraid of. That's not a Republic of self-governing citizens. That's a subjugated society fooling itself into believing it's a Republic of self-governing citizens who, in fact, have zero political power at all.
""So, y’know, the goat rodeo that are the Trump trials – really, who cares""
Depends on one's belief on the importance of a fair judicial system.
Yes, that was the exception I made right at the beginning.
The only thing I can say in response is that Biden isn't leading the country. It's obvious he's a figurehead. For better or worse, the DNC is running the country. Trump would actually be in charge.
I would also say that I trust Washington with Trump more than I trust them with Biden. Trump has opposition. He can't move a finger out of line. Biden, on the other hand, has been almost comically corrupt since before he was VP, and the establishment has ignored the extremely blatant bribery.
I don't disagree with anything you said - but "Trump actually in charge" is a known quantity. And it's... not that great. A nice temporary panacea, to be sure - but there's not a single thing that lasted 90-days after he was unceremoniously booted from office.
Mostly because he doesn't know how to govern. He doesn't have the slightest clue how to. He's a lot like Barack that way, and equates "President" with "King/CEO" and then tried to rule by fiat. Which is all well and good - kind of like getting high - but eventually it wears off and you're right back where you started and no better for it, which is not so good. For both of them it was just all about basking in the cult of personality and dunking on the other half. And in the meantime, we're all pitted against each other as if every disagreement can only be solved by mortal combat.
I'll show you something someone showed me recently (It's safe, I wouldn't do you rotten like that):
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1787582060367851611
2006. Not even 20 years ago - these two were having fun, having a bit of a laugh at each other's expense - but today, we act like they're the Praetorian Guard of our partisan empires.
I mean... what happened?
My guess: Barack radicalized the vocal/activist left into frothing rabid psychopaths, then Trump radicalized the vocal/activist right the same in response. And then we got a vegetable to give us four years to figure out what to do next. And to pretend like there's still some legitimacy to it, let's introduce Would-be President Worms Ate My Brain as an alternative.
I mean, NGL, I still stand by my own personal core theory. Everyone thought 2016 was between Trump and Hillary. But there was a third party, and he won.
His name was SMOD. And he crashed into this planet and killed us all.
And this is Hell.
Shouldn't she be the one on trial, for violating the NDA? If it weren't disclosed, how are we hearing about it?
I think both her and Donald tried to deny as long as they could.
I don't recall exactly how it got legs. Maybe Cohen outted it.
Stormy Daniels, a credible witness? This is beyond absurdity. This falls into the realm of the Twilight Zone. Next I suppose she will be saying she was sexually assaulted and groped by Trump....oh the shame of it all!
A porno slut no less.
Don't make me laugh.
These trials are beyond anything ever in American history. The longer these trials last the more ridiculous they become .
All these judges and D.A.s are handpicked by bath house Barry Soetoro, the communist from Chicago.
Biden is digging his own grave.
The adoration for a cheating, lying, vulgar, vainglorious boor among the "family values" crowd of half-educated, bigoted, superstitious, right-wing slack-jaws knows no limit.
People trying to rehabilitate Donald Trump by sniping at the people he associated with, conspired with, assaulted, and cheated with remind me of the similarly delusional Montgomery Burns.
Trump, Cohen, and Daniels are birds of a feather. That Trump associates with these sewer rats shows that he is himself a sewer dweller. The Trump Cult pretends that there is no smell. They themselves have been in the sewer for too long.
"recognizing that he was thereby violating federal campaign finance rules;"
Except that Trump is not being charged w/ violating Federal campaign laws. The DA is trying to charge him w/ a violation of NY state election law:
"§ 17-152. Conspiracy to promote or prevent election. Any two or more persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means and which conspiracy is acted upon by one or more of the parties thereto, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor."
If course this makes no sense since the election in question was a Federal election and state laws laws don't apply