How California's Ban on Diesel Locomotives Could Have Major National Repercussions
No technology exists today to enable railroads to comply with the state's diktat, which villainizes a mode of transportation that is actually quite energy efficient.

American federalism is struggling. Federal rules are an overwhelming presence in every state government, and some states, due to their size or other leverage, can impose their own policies on much or all of the country. The problem has been made clearer by an under-the-radar plan to phase out diesel locomotives in California. If the federal government provides the state with a helping hand, it would bring nationwide repercussions for a vital, overlooked industry.
Various industry and advocacy groups are lining up against California's costly measure, calling on the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to deny a waiver needed to fully implement it. In the past month, more than 30 leading conservative organizations and individuals, hundreds of state and local chambers of commerce, and the U.S. agricultural sector have pleaded with the EPA to help stop this piece of extremism from escaping one coastal state.
Railroads may not be something most Americans, whose attention is on their own cars and roads, think about often. But rail is the most basic infrastructure of interstate commerce, accounting for around 40 percent of long-distance ton-miles. It's also fairly clean, accounting for less than 1 percent of total U.S. emissions. Private companies, like Union Pacific in the West or CSX in the East, pay for their infrastructure and equipment. These facts haven't stopped the regulatory power grab.
Most importantly, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) regulation would have all freight trains operate in zero-emission configuration by 2035. At the end of the decade, the state is mandating the retirement of diesel locomotives 23 years or older, despite typically useful lives of over 40 years. Starting in 2030, new passenger locomotives must operate with zero emissions, with new engines for long-haul freight trains following by 2035. It limits locomotive idling and increases reporting requirements.
Given the interstate nature of railway operations, California needs the EPA to grant a waiver. If the agency agrees, the policy will inevitably affect the entire continental United States.
The kicker is that no technology exists today to enable railroads to comply with California's diktat, rendering the whole exercise fanciful at best.
The Wall Street Journal's editorial board explained last November that while Wabtec Corp. has introduced a pioneering advance in rail technology with the launch of the world's first battery-powered locomotive, the dream of a freight train fully powered by batteries remains elusive. The challenges of substituting diesel with batteries—primarily due to batteries' substantial weight and volume—make it an impractical solution for long-haul trains. Additionally, the risk of battery overheating and potential explosions, which can emit harmful gases, is a significant safety concern. As the editorial noted, "Even if the technology for zero-emission locomotives eventually arrives, railroads will have to test them over many years to guarantee their safety."
The cost-benefit analysis is woefully unfavorable to the forced displacement of diesel locomotives. To "help" the transition, beginning in 2026, CARB will force all railroads operating in California to deposit dollars into an escrow account managed by the state and frozen for the explicit pursuit of the green agenda. For large railroads, this figure will be a staggering $1.6 billion per year, whereas some smaller railroads will pay up to $5 million.
Many of these smaller companies have signaled that they will simply go out of business. For the large railroads, the requirement will lock up about 20 percent of annual spending, money typically used for maintenance and safety improvements.
Transportation is the largest source of U.S. emissions, yet railroads' contribution amounts to not much more than a rounding error. The industry cites its efficiency improvements over time, allowing railroads today to move a ton of freight more than 500 miles on a single gallon of diesel. Its expensive machines, which last between 30 to 50 years and are retrofitted throughout their life cycles, are about 75 percent more efficient than long-haul trucks that carry a comparative amount of freight.
As Patricia Patnode of the Competitive Enterprise Institute, which signed the aforementioned letter to the EPA, recently remarked, "Rather than abolish diesel trains, CARB should stand in awe of these marvels of energy-efficient transportation."
President Joe Biden talks a lot about trains, but his actions since taking office have consistently punished the private companies we should value far more than state-supported Amtrak. In this case, EPA Administrator Michael Regan and the White House need not think too hard. They should wait for reality to catch up before imposing on the rest of us one state's demands and ambitions.
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A ban on internal combustion politicians is long overdue.
Join the Extinction Rebellion , and let off some steam in CARB's May Day May Pole march to the focus of Calfornia's sometimes 386 Megawatt, give or take386 megawatts
Ivanpah May Pole Solar reflector array
100% incineration or double your money back!
Where's the Brotherhood of Steel when you need them?
In an alternate timeline where nuclear power was welcomed instead of feared.
How will the port of Los Angeles handle containers and car auto carrier ships without trains?
I eagerly await Mayor Pete's efforts to manage the looming crisis, assuming he's not on vacation or chest-feeding his twins...
Pass a new law that says humans may no longer exhale that EVIL chemical compound, carbon dioxide! We must ALL be battery-powered from now on!
What do you mean, the tech doesn't exist yet? That is a LAME excuse when I MUST flaunt my fashionable hippa-groovalisticness!
No technology exists today to enable railroads to comply with the state's diktat...the California Air Resources Board (CARB) regulation...
Is that what a diktat is? You wouldn't believe what I was thinking.
Why has nobody brought up electric trains powered by overhead wires? This is old, well proven technology, in use on the east coast, and other parts of the world.
It would also cost millions of dollars per mile to install the overhead wires, plus hundreds of millions for new electric locomotives, plus a new fossil power plant (in Arizona or Nevada, obviously), and high voltage distribution lines from that power plant to electrify the rails all the way to the port. Plus new maintenance costs. And a new yard just over the border in AZ or NV to stop trains and switch from electric back to Diesel for the remainder of the journey east.
The next move from the railroads will be to ask California to pay the billions of dollars to implement money losing overhead electric. A hundred years ago, on the busiest rail routes, overhead electric started to make economic sense over steam, but diesel operating costs are so low, no railroads have implemented overhead electric in nearly a century.
Overhead wires certainly demolish the argument that the technology to implement zero-emission locomotives doesn't exist. It is then just a question of the cost to implement. So we need a detailed estimate of how much it would cost. I actually think trains powered by wires sounds a lot more practical than cars powered by batteries.
"...I actually think trains powered by wires sounds a lot more practical than cars powered by batteries."
No current or proposed catenary-powered electric locomotives can deliver the pulling power of contemporary Diesels, and I'm not sure a catenary energy transfer is capable of providing the required amperage.
China Railways HXD2 produces 13,000 horsepower, which is well within the range of contemporary diesel-electric locomotives.
It draws 10MW and runs on 25KV power so that's only 400 amps.
It would be even better with three-phase power but that requires two overhead lines.
Not against the idea but some downsides -
*unlike what the greenies dream most energy still comes from coal. So you are trading a cleaner source for a dirtier.
* Our electric grids can't handle the load now. I mean look at the roll brownouts in the wonderland of CA
* War wise there is already concerns about EMPs wiping out the gird. Do we want all our eggs in one basket?
* Finally, we have trains were I live that pass a lot outside Houston because of the port. How would these lines cross busy streets/bridges etc?
Build the Wall.
California's politicians seem intent on strangling their state under a delusion that government can mandate the results they desire without negative consequences, and can will technologies into being that may be unworkable. Unfortunately, they seem to want to take the rest of us with them.
They should become carbon neutral immediately. The politicians. By which I mean they should cease breathing.
Bring it all in by the Columbia River and let CA eat themselves.
All the socialist fans can have their socialist state and Biden can Preside over it. Oh wait; CA is loosing population? How can that be? Oh yeah: All the socialists really didn’t want their socialism they just wanted to milk someone else’s cow-dry?
Kind of goes right in line with Bernie’s big Universal Healthcare plan he refused to implement in his own State. These people aren’t looking for the very solution they advertise they are looking for someone else’s greener-pasture to kill (national). They are political criminals.
The conquer and consume mentality.
Instead of the earn and be fruitful.
The socialists want their socialism, they just don't like the results of it and can't grasp the idea of causality. They just blame either Grover Nordquist for the 2nd and 3rd order results of their own myopic policies or "corporate greed" when the private sector operations choose to pass along the cost increases they're experiencing to their customers instead of just happily operating at a loss for the forseeable future.
" CA is loosing population?"
CA is losing tax paying population. The welfare/poverty is increasing. Had to fix it for you 🙂
In recognition of Rudolf Diesel, q.v., it's good practice to capitalize his name.
Do you capitalize macadam? Do you capitalize all the metric measurements that memorialize scientists (pascal, newton, watt, volt, ohm, joule, hertz, ampere, curie, roentgen, and many others)?
Now is the time for UP to boycott California for a week.
No trains at all move in CA.
Give up a week of profit to make an obvious point.
Just a taste of how hungry they will be - - - - - - - - -
This would be the way to go. You want no diesel trains in CA? You got it.
Of course, it would disrupt the rest of the country, or truckers would be hauling one shipping container at a time to Nevada in order to get loaded onto trains.
Or start diverting ships to Houston instead of Los Angeles.
Assuming the Panama canal keeps operating. West coast ports are pretty important.
Redirect them to Vancouver.
Socialists aren’t interested in “where stuff comes from” or investment. Portland ~30 million in three years
https://610kona.com/portland-terminal-closure/
That will be the discussion - cost to do business in CA or cost to ship everything though other ports.
I'd like to see UP stop at the CA border and just push freight cars across the border and let someone else shuttle them around the state with their plug-in choo-choos.
Easy solution: Don't stop the trains. Just have the ones going into California be empty and the ones going out be full. California gets jack and the rest of the country gets the goods they need/want.
And the workers? UP would be giving up a week's revenues while still incurring a week's worth of expenses - that's much more expensive than you make it seem...
Perhaps they could just take one day (24 hours) not moving freight out of CA ports? Call it a worker's holiday, and watch the ports choke on incoming freight.
This seems like a rare instance where the commerce clause should actually come in to play to limit one state from disrupting trade with other states.
I cannot help but relish the idea of a world where rail traffic ends at the California border though.
If the Biden administration agrees to this silliness it will just be another nail in their coffin.
The problem is port traffic. Though I guess it would be good for local truckers, and whatever depot ended up getting built in Yuma or wherever.
They want to stop Diesel trucks, too.
So, no, not good for truckers. Because there are no suitable battery powered trucks to do the job, either.
Nor will there be, absent rebuilding the entire interstate system to accommodate well over 100,000# vehicles.
For a group that loves trains, it will be great to see how they design the abrupt stops at the borders.
An EPA waiver won't do it. CA has already lost this fight once when they had to allow non-CARB compliant diesel trucks back into the state as long as the trucks were moving cargo into or out of the state. I.e.: In "interstate commerce". It was the first time I'd heard of that clause being used properly.
Since almost all train traffic will have an interstate component, I think CA is fucked on this one. Which doesn't mean it won't be a stupid, years long slapfight in court. Gods but I hate the morons they've put in charge of things over there.
If they don't, this is going to be a huge boon to the Trucking industry. So much cheaper to run a truck with those goods to a train station on the border than try to comply with the law.
Cheaper for the companies, but the result will still be more expensive goods for consumers.
Which is what the leftists want, of course.
But rail is the most basic infrastructure of interstate commerce, accounting for around 40 percent of long-distance ton-miles. It's also fairly clean, accounting for less than 1 percent of total U.S. emissions. Private companies, like Union Pacific in the West or CSX in the East, pay for their infrastructure and equipment. These facts haven't stopped the regulatory power grab.
Fucking Jones Act protecting this bullshit. It's like the people outside California actually want the American economy to just keep chugging along at a fair clip, are completely happy if it actually saves on emissions, and won't grind it all to a halt and carve off pieces in order to make themselves feel better about <1% who choose to live on hurricane-flattened islands and archipelagos.
You'd almost think that the move to repeal The Jones Act was a deliberate attempt to shift US trade away from serving podunk deplorables and putting it more into the hands of international interests that don't give a shit about the American economy, liberty, or the environment.
Last time I checked Trump fully supports the Jones Act. Are you saying he's wrong?
We may need to liberate one or two seaports in California, and establish transportation corridors, West Berlin style.
Or just give Southern California back to Mexico. They would be happy to take over the business.
Good for them. Lol.
My old company mines minerals from a dry lake in eastern Kern county in the Mojave Desert. They also own and run their own private railroad that hauls the finished product to the nearest Union Pacific rail line. If they are forced to switch to EV train engines, those batteries will be recharged exclusively by a coal-fired power plant. Because the company also owns and runs a power plant which the Cal EPA would dearly love to be rid of. A grandfathered coal burning plant that began operating more than a 100 years ago. IIRC, it is the last coal power plant in CA.
What about plutonium as a power source?
Is not plutonium even more energy-dense than diesel, in both mass and volume?
Just strap a Mr.Fusion on to the back of every locomotive. Where's Doc Brown when you need him.
California isn't going to want nuclear trains any more than they want Deisel ones. They want them powered by fairy farts and unicorn dust. Maybe even the hopes of small children.
As long as Californians are paying the "diesel train surcharge" and not me, I think it's hilarious.
Any electrification plan that doesn't include lots of nuclear power plants is not serious. Where the fuck is the power going to come from? Diesel-electric is hugely efficient because you can run the diesel engine at it's optimal speed pretty much continuously. It's comparable to most electrical generation plants.
Then there's the question of the energy required and pollution created to make all those batteries.
Some of us really do support nuclear power plants.
I know, and good for you. At least you are being honest about what is required to make things like this happen.
Just put windmills and solar panels on all the trains and they can power themselves, duh!
/idiot leftists
If I ran a rail company I would refit an old nuclear submarine and say, "Fuck you California, I'm running my nuclear trains into your state!"
Can't the trains just "identify" as EV? Who is California to deny the trains "truth"?
'Cause I'm praying for rain
I'm praying for tidal waves
I want to see the ground give way
I want to watch it all go down...
I'd say we just step back and let California collapse in on itself, but unfortunately what will happen is that the rest of us will be on the hook for the disaster.
"No technology exists today to enable railroads to comply with the state's diktat"
This is a false statement. All electric locomotives actually predate diesel electric locomotives and the Pennsylvania Railroad electrified hundreds of miles of track early in the 20th century. Diesel is pretty efficient and is probably less expensive than all electric for freight rail but the statement that there is no technology shows that the writer doesn't understand rail transportation.
And on that note. The horse and wagon for the WIN!/s
Oh wait; Horses emit CO2 too so guess not.
Yes, that sentence probably needs "without a massive buildout of electrical infrastructure" at the end. Battery powered trains that can operate on the existing infrastructure are what doesn't exist. Of course electric trains are a thing for most of the world's commuter rail.
One freight cart = 320,000lbs / 200lb-person = 1600 passenger per cart.
I'm almost sure that there are no existing electric engines that can pull those loads up those grades. Compared to freight, pulling a handful of people over flat ground is trivial.
"...All electric locomotives actually predate diesel electric locomotives and the Pennsylvania Railroad electrified hundreds of miles of track early in the 20th century...."
Pick them cherries, charliehall
Had to look this up
"In 1934, the Pennsylvania received a $77 million loan from the New Deal's Public Works Administration[48] to complete the electrification project begun in 1928. Work was started January 27, 1937, on the main line from Paoli to Harrisburg; the low-grade freight line from Morrisville through Columbia to Enola Yard in Pennsylvania; the Port Road Branch from Perryville, Maryland, to Columbia; the Jamesburg Branch and Amboy Secondary freight line from Monmouth Junction to South Amboy; and the Landover-South End freight line from Landover, Maryland, through Washington to Potomac Yard in Alexandria, Virginia. [notes 7] In less than a year, on January 15, 1938, the first passenger train, the Metropolitan, went into operation over the newly electrified line from Philadelphia to Harrisburg. On April 15, the electrified freight service from Harrisburg and Enola Yard east was inaugurated, thus completing the Pennsy's eastern seaboard electrification program.[49] The railroad had electrified 2,677 miles (4,308 km) of its track, representing 41% of the country's electrically operated standard railroad trackage. Portions of the electrified trackage are still in use, owned and operated by Amtrak as the Northeast Corridor and Keystone Corridor high-speed rail routes,[50] by SEPTA,[51] and by NJ Transit.[52]"
They stopped using it. Either way - 2677 miles out of 160,141 mi based on today's number. Let's get to work
CARB should call Lionel to get their electric trains.
The people making these rules have never been in a position where their choices deeply affect; they have 'no skin in the game'.
Hence, this is simply magical thinking.
Yeah, I wish the rest of the country could just make California eat it if they go ahead with the plan. Stop the trains at the border and reroute shipping to Portland, Seattle and Tacoma as much as possible. The Jones Act ending would help, since that would make ships taking stuff between ports easier too.
And then we need hydrogen trains. That seems the easiest way to get where they want to go with zero emissions.
Except you need diesel generators to compress the hydrogen into the storage. It works and it burns cleanly, but that compression step is a bitch.
The Jones Act ending would help, since that would make ships taking stuff between ports easier too.
*facepalm*
California: We’re going to literally make a negative railroad.
Floozy: We should repeal the Jones Act to make it easier for them.
FFS should we smash more windows to support the glaziers in CA too? Fucking retard.
EVERYONE is a fucking retard... Except for Casually Mad, the Unsung Super-Genius!!!
"...And then we need hydrogen trains. That seems the easiest way to get where they want to go with zero emissions."
Yeah, the way the EVs are zero emissions from burning fossil fuels remotely.
They really have diluted themselves into believing electricity comes from a plug instead of it just being a transport mechanism of energy.
If the needed technology does not yet exist, what basis does CARB have for thinking that this change will actually accomplish their stated purpose of reducing greenhouse gas emissions? We don't know what emissions will be involved in 1) building the new locomotives (and their batteries), 2) providing the power, 3) breaking up trains into smaller sets to deal with likely reduced efficiency; and probably more issues that I'm not thinking of and we may not have a way to know about until we roll out the alternative, whatever that may be. (Battery power seems implausible, for reasons noted above, just like battery power is unlikely ever to serve commercial aviation.) The willful ignorance of the board regarding how trains and the economy work is staggering and frightening.
I feel a scene from Atlas Shrugged coming on.
"The kicker is that no technology exists today to enable railroads to comply with California's diktat, rendering the whole exercise fanciful at best."
Can't wait for the "You'll think of something, Mr. Rearden."