Appeals Court Rules That Cops Can Physically Make You Unlock Your Phone
The 9th Circuit determined that forcibly mashing a suspect's thumb into his phone to unlock it was akin to fingerprinting him at the police station.

As we keep more and more personal data on our phones, iPhone and Android devices now have some of the most advanced encryption technology in existence to keep that information safe from prying eyes. The easiest way around that, of course, is for someone to gain access to your phone.
This week, a federal court decided that police officers can make you unlock your phone, even by physically forcing you to press your thumb against it.
In November 2021, Jeremy Payne was pulled over by two California Highway Patrol (CHP) officers over his car's window tinting. When asked, Payne admitted that he was on parole, which the officers confirmed. After finding Payne's cellphone in the car, officers unlocked it by forcibly pressing his thumb against it as he sat handcuffed. (The officers claimed in their arrest report that Payne "reluctantly unlocked the cell phone" when asked, which Payne disputed; the government later accepted in court "that defendant's thumbprint was compelled.")
The officers searched through Payne's camera roll and found a video taken the same day, which appeared to show "several bags of blue pills (suspected to be fentanyl)." After checking the phone's map and finding what they suspected to be a home address, the officers drove there and used Payne's keys to enter and search the residence. Inside, they found and seized more than 800 pills.
Payne was indicted for possession with intent to distribute fentanyl and cocaine.
In a motion to suppress, Payne's attorneys argued that by forcing him to unlock his phone, the officers "compelled a testimonial communication," violating both the Fourth Amendment's protection against unreasonable search and seizure and the Fifth Amendment's guarantee against self-incrimination. Even though the provisions of his parole required him to surrender any electronic devices and passcodes, "failure to comply could result in 'arrest pending further investigation' or confiscation of the device pending investigation," not the use of force to make him open the phone.
The district court denied the motion to suppress, and Payne pleaded guilty. In November 2022, he was sentenced to 12 years in prison. Notably, Payne had only served three years for the crime for which he was on parole—assault with a deadly weapon on a peace officer.
Payne appealed the denial of the motion to suppress. This week, in an opinion authored by Judge Richard Tallman, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit ruled against Payne.
Searches "incident to arrest" are an accepted part of Fourth Amendment precedent. Further, Tallman wrote that as a parolee, Payne has "a significantly diminished expectation of privacy," and even though the conditions of his parole did not require him to "provide a biometric identifier," the distinction was insufficient to support throwing out the search altogether.
But Tallman went a step further in the Fifth Amendment analysis: "We hold that the compelled use of Payne's thumb to unlock his phone (which he had already identified
for the officers) required no cognitive exertion, placing it firmly in the same category as a blood draw or fingerprint taken at booking," he wrote. "The act itself merely provided CHP with access to a source of potential information."
From a practical standpoint, this is chilling. First of all, the Supreme Court ruled in 2016 that police needed a warrant before drawing a suspect's blood.
And one can argue that fingerprinting a suspect as they're arrested is part and parcel with establishing their identity. Nearly half of U.S. states require people to identify themselves to police if asked.
But forcibly gaining access to someone's phone provides more than just their identity—it's a window into their entire lives. Even cursory access to someone's phone can turn up travel history, banking information, and call and text logs—a treasure trove of potentially incriminating information, all of which would otherwise require a warrant.
When they drafted the Fourth Amendment, the Founders drew on the history of "writs of assistance," general warrants used by British authorities in the American colonies that allowed government agents to enter homes at will and look for anything disallowed. As a result, the Fourth Amendment requires search warrants based on probable cause and signed by a judge.
Tallman does note the peculiar circumstances of the case: "Our opinion should not be read to extend to all instances where a biometric is used to unlock an electronic device." But, he adds, "the outcome…may have been different had [the officer] required Payne to independently select the finger that he placed on the phone" instead of forcibly mashing Payne's thumb into it himself.
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"Our opinion should not be read to extend to all instances where a biometric is used to unlock an electronic device."
Yet they know that that's exactly what is going to happen.
And apparently, the Fourth Amendment shouldn't be read at all.
I really miss an old phone (but not enough to remember what it was) which had the finger sensor on the back. You were supposed to use your index finger, but I always used a different finger on the theory that enough tries would lock it until the password was entered, and it was hard for strangers (ie, grabbers) to see which finger I was using.
You can use any part of your hand where there's ridges. I unlock mine with the meat of the palm under the index finger.
I have one like that. Samsung somethingorother.
Galaxy S9 has that.
My phone uses only facial recognition. Which does not work if I scrunch my face. Good luck forcing me to make a normal face.
After the cops use some enhanced international techniques taught by the Israeli Army you'd be happy to make all sorts of faces for them. The courts will likely uphold that kind of "rough stuff" as being acceptable when dealing with "terrorists". You are a terrorist, aren't you? Denial is proof of course.
It really wouldn’t. My tolerance for pain has for an exceedingly high with age.
Or they could just keep you in holding until you fall asleep, and scan you then?
Phones are for talking to others, not for storing your entire life.
And any crook dumb enough to video a crime deserves a Darwin award of 10 extra years in prison.
""Phones are for talking to others, not for storing your entire life.""
OK boomer.
Seems like you're happy to trade convenience for freedom.
Please don't assume the rest of us are.
It's a joke, I'm a boomer too.
I think we are the last generation to not want our lives on the phone.
Not a boomer. Just bitching (here, yesterday) about not wanting devices at the table during meals and not wanting an app for every business I do business with.
I'm not alone. But I'm definitely in the minority. Far more so if you lower the age range to millennials.
Re: "not wanting an app for every business I do business with"
I get where you're coming from, but think about the alternatives:
a) one overarching app that can access the multiple businesses you do business with
b) don't use any apps from any businesses
a) is happening soon (see Rabbit R1 device and its "Large Action Model"). BUT, the danger is that gov't will only have to go after that one app maker to control all your activities with any of the businesses centralized in that app.
b) is safer but inconvenient, especially if the businesses offer discounts only through the apps, but it's probably the only way to go as these businesses collect and sell more data on us to the gov't. I'm taking this route for a different reason: the businesses themselves are worth boycotting for anti-liberty donations/actions.
Sorry, just a bit over the fixation on smartphones and social media. Guess I get a bit touchy.
Heineken is making a boring phone. It only lets you call people and 8 think it texts.. with a 10 button physical keypad. My son and I are on the mailing list for updates. On can't wait to get one.
I see nothing wrong with this. Taking the key to someone's house is also a "window into their private lives" but there's nothing that says a warrant can't compel you to hand over your keys. Being forced to produce a fingerprint is fundamentally different from being forced to divulge a password from memory and the problems with compelling people to produce passwords from memory have nothing to do with the sanctity of the information that those passwords protect and everything to do with the 5th amendment's protection against testifying against oneself.
Accessing the phone this way didn't involve a warrant.
But when the fingerprint has the same function as a password, why should it be treated differently? There is no real difference between touching a touchscreen keypad and touching a fingerprint reader and it has the exact same effect and the exact same implications for self-incrimination and privacy.
The Police taking a key for someone's house and entering it without a warrant means that anything that they may find is inadmissible in Court. The information on the phone was used against him. Personally I use two passcodes. One will open my phone. The other will reset the phone. If I'm forced to give a code, I'll give the one that resets the phone. I have an active backup set so I won't lose any data.
Why am I not suprised...
This would be more akin to slapping cuffs on, rifling through their pockets for the keys then unlocking their home to search it WITHOUT a warrant. Flip side, it doesn't surprise me given that they've ruled similar for facial recognition.
Wow, that is astonishingly wrong. Taking a key during a search-incident-to-arrest is allowed but using it requires a warrant. The search above was conducted with no warrant.
Quoting the 4th Amendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
I argue that a person's phone is either the modern-day version of "papers" and is certainly in the category of "effects" if you don't buy the "modern-day version of 'papers'" argument.
Note that they could have gotten access to the contents of the phone even if it were considered "papers" or "effects" had they gotten a warrant, but they didn't get a warrant.
Using the fingerprint or face recognition make it easier for the thief to unlock your phone after they knock you out.
Yeah, I don't see how anyone thinks face or print recognition is "more secure."
It's more secure for people with bad memory and / or sloppy security habits. When forced to remember more "things" , some people will cheat by writing it down on something, using the same password for everything, or use a child's name / birthday / other easily phished bad password habit.
In trying to prevent the worse habit, they settled on giving an option for using a less-bad method. And like always, you trade security for convenience.
"But forcibly gaining access to someone's phone provides more than just their identity—it's a window into their entire lives. Even cursory access to someone's phone can turn up travel history, banking information, and call and text logs—a treasure trove of potentially incriminating information, all of which would otherwise require a warrant."
That would make sense if the suspect's attorney tried to argue that touching a finger to the phone provided too much information for the police to legally force it. But that wasn't the argument. The argument was that it was testimonial. Being testimonial depends on whether the suspect is required to provide knowledge from his own head; being testimonial doesn't depend on whether the result gives the police too much information. So given that argument, the court's decision was correct.
If the law allows you to say "the police shouldn't do that because it gets them too much information" (or if the law doesn't explicitly say that but you could argue it based on the Constitution), then it's the suspect's attorney's fault for not arguing that. If the law doesn't allow that, then the court can't make it up.
This is a good argument against biometric identification, at least as a sole method of accessing equipment. The three pieces of security are something you know, something you have, and something you are. Good security uses at least two.
The problem is you have to know and have for various websites. Another password? Another phone message? I hear it at work frequently. There is a 2FA backlash brewing due to more and more sites requiring 2FA. Let that build for a while and people gladly go to biometrics. It's how it will be sold in the future. A relief from the 2FA burnout.
Careful Zeb, you’re lighting the Hank signal with comments like that.
Hey lookee here... If a woman's womb really does NOT belong to HER, butt rather, to Government Almighty... Then ditto your thumb, fingers, toes, palms, etc.!
"Your life, body, and soul are belong to US!" - Government Almighty
This is where we're headed. And the lemmings are running as fast as they can in that direction.
There isn't much that's more tiresome than people bringing up abortion is every fucking thread.
There isn’t much that’s more tiresome than people stubbornly refusing to free the womb-slaves!
Is there SOME way that we can apply Section 230 to free the womb-slaves?
Nothing more tiring than so called libertarians who don't accept basic bodily freedom for half the population.
There's nothing more tiresome than so-called libertarians who have no thought for the bodily freedom of the unborn child.
Sure. Because trying to get Republicans on board has been so successful for the last 50 years. The handful of people we lose by being Pro Choice on EVERYTHING pales in comparison to the people we gain.
There’s nothing so tiresome as the continued existence of Marxist democrats.
Universal agreement on that subject on this forum, I expect.
It's tiresome when anti-abortion people bring abortion up in every thread too.
If only the "Venn Diagram" of people who believe that "bodily autonomy" is a fundamental human right and people who support limits on soda sizes, vaccine mandates (for Covid, but not for Measles), banning the use of salt and butter in restaurants, and GMO produce for retail sale weren't so damn close to a perfect circle...
Just once, I'd like to see a satisfying explanation for why "my body my choice" is both a "fundamental human right" and also only apparently applicable to a single narrow category of choices which are only really available to half of humanity. I get the part where those choices only apply to half the people, what I don't get is why there aren't more questions to which that "fundamental right" is supposed to be applicable to.
years ago i saw someone mention the (obviously crazy) notion that the whole point of pushing biometrics was nothing about convenience and security and all about creating a way to unlock devices that law enforcement could compel. it made too much sense.
I'd say the convenience is at least as plausible and explanation.
I conspiracy theorize that the reason we can't change our batteries anymore is so we can't easily remove them.
I'd agree -- except I really just think it's planned obsolescence.
Battery life less than a day? "Well, I've been thinking about upgrading to the eyephone 16 anyway..."
Ackshully, if you buy a Stateside Samsung cellphone with easily swappable batteries and take it to Brazil or Argentina, the equivalent batteries sold there--although visually indistinguishable from the originals--will not work in the phone. This is not mentioned in company adverts.
Hank, even when you refrain from making 5 obscure references in support of a convoluted point…..
Never mind. Thanks for cutting to the chase, buddy. I will avoid needing a new battery for a Samsung phone in Brazil, if I can. Good talk.
I think we'd have to see a money trail from some government program to companies working on biometrics to call that good.
Besides, most biometrics are so sketchy you can open them with a picture of a fingerprint.
Foreigners cannot apply for asylum in Uncle Sam's Laughing Academy without getting fingerprinted, photographed and aura-scanned.
The more plausible theory would be that it's about preventing people from recording encounters with law enforcement.
Any biometric unlocking features can be temporarily disabled by powering off the device, at least for Andriod. When it's turned back on, only the code/password/swipe pattern will unlock if for the first time, after which the biometrics will become active again the next time it's locked. The problem with this is that it's impossible to record an encounter with law enforcement and also power off the phone when you're pulled over.
More work for SCOTUS from the 9th Circuit.
Looks like this TDS thing is getting out of hand,
BREAKING: A man just set himself on fire outside the Trump trial in New York City.
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1781379851967951170?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1781379851967951170%7Ctwgr%5Ef169967e548f5d5a2d4083b42979985f8658b065%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fpolitical%2Fshocking-video-shows-man-engulfed-flames-outside-trump-trial-nyc
Which kind of TDS? Is that a Trump supporter or detractor?
Could be a pro Hamas guy or ? No details yet.
Some people don't understand how stupid it is until the fire starts.
"Before the fire, the man threw pamphlets titled "The True History of the World."
It's unclear whether the act was related to Trump's trial, but witnesses said he was standing among a group of pro-Trump protesters before the fire."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-sets-himself-on-fire-outside-the-courthouse-where-trump-is-standing-trial/ar-AA1njPUh
NYT headline April 20, 2024,
MAGA Trump Supporter Attempts Arson of NYC Court Building.
Subhead,
Investigators probe possible Trump involvement.
The thing that did happen in March 2023 was Trump was served an indictment, and banks started folding as is usual when 3 tonnes of cocaine were seized in February. Germany's AfD Trumpanzees were also investigated over links with "foundations" like Von Mises and Desiderius Erazmus Setting fire to a whack-artist hollering about Peter Thiel is an awfully smelly red herring just yards away from jury impaneling for the Republican suspect named on the callgirl payola indictment.
Maybe Congress will make next-of-kin sell the flamer's website to Musk or Faux News.
The Protocols of the Elders of Trafalmador were all sold out.
I hear Burning Man downloaded those from Truth Social...
The self immolator's web site:
https://theponzipapers.substack.com/p/i-have-set-myself-on-fire-outside
Readership on his stack is up 10000% or more. Not good for his health, but effective marketing.
The dude is a hot property!
With scorching commentary.
I lava good fire pun.
These insensitive jokes really burn me up.
He’s a nutcase.
I find his theories compelling and I'd like to subscribe to his newsletter.
He's no uncle Ted.
His screed would be better serialized.
The Mises Caucus lost a valuable player to the 1963 mania for sending mystical messages with gasoline and matches. Then again, no big loss. Much of it looks copied from the Unabomber and the nativist kid who shot WalMart shoppers. Still, it did distract attention from what was going on in court.
Flame on!
So they can unlock the phone. Is it still a rights violation to look at the contents? Or does the constitution only apply to papyrus?
The Dems assure us it only applies to parchment made from hemp by folks with flintlocks.
Least sympathetic case ever.
So what?
The federal government is not legitimate anymore.
Does this only apply to persons on parole?
Fortunately it only applies to people with fingers.
AH HA! Cut your fingers off! That will stop them!
One govt. authority, police, get supported by a judge, another govt. authority. This should be no surprise. The question is, "Why do the victims, the public, allow anyone to keep denying rights?"
Do you think the American colonists would have been content to let British troops take away their guns if the British Court ruled it legal?
One third were fine with it, one third opposed it, and one third were neutral. Can those who forfeit their self-defense rights morally force everyone else to do so?
This is a big fat nothing-burger. Only an idiot would lock his cell phone with a thumbprint or facial recognition, and only an idiot would sell illegal narcotics while on parole, not to mention photographing the evidence on said phone, then get himself pulled over and admit that he was on parole under questioning to which he didn't have to respond! If they had pulled someone over for a random traffic stop on a fake excuse and searched an innocent person's car without permission after said person declined to answer questions and THEN forced them to unlock their phone with a thumbprint against their will, THEN I could dredge up some outrage.
Forget the cops - what about the crooks?
This is why you don't exclusively use biometrics on these things in the first place.
For pete's sake, Demolition Man predicted this back in the early 90s.
That is correct, money is out-moded. All transactions are through code.
All right, so he can't buy food or a place to stay for the night. And, it would be a waste of time to mug somebody. Unless he rips off somebody's hand, and let's hope he doesn't figure that one out.
Which, ironically, the antagonist had previously done in order to originally escape prison (having ripped out the warden's eye to get past retinal scan).
"Forget the cops – what about the crooks?"
Far too often, a distinction without a difference anymore...
Indeed. But, in fairness, the cops have been yoked by left-wing masters who won't let them go out and DO SOMETHING about the criminals - because we must respect violent, destructive, and predatory repeat offending dirtbags in the name of appeasing the angry sun monster, men in dresses who invariably wind up having kiddie pics on their devices, Saint Floyd of the Fentanyl, open borders with free hotel and complimentary gift cards, and solidarity with genocidal Hamas terrorism.
When the cops are impotent, they may as well not exist. There IS no distinguishing them from the crooks.
As crime runs rampant.
There is a limit on the number of attempts to unlock my phone via fingerprint allowed before the password is required. I guarantee you won't identify the correct finger position before exceeding that number.
That said, the court is Constitutionally DEAD WRONG. Unlocking the phone is exactly what the 4th amendment prohibits.
It's what McAfee offered to do when the porkers busted violent Union-popping terrists. This was before he and that other suspect were both suicidally murdered in jail. Here's hoping all the Kleptocracy voters are happy with where their wasted votes are taking us.
Use a PIN, then they can't use your fingerprint or face to unlock your phone.
What were the requirements of his parole? Usually it's cops have the right to search your possessions, and your house. I'm not saying the cops were right, just that reason has a long history of not telling the truth on these topics.
I voted against the force-initiating looter kleptocracy, pay REAL LP dues and am part of the solution thanks to law-changing spoiler vote leverage.
The state whose governor Ronald Reagan banned LSD now allows cops to cut off your finger to uncover ways to bust folks for the actual dangerous drugs that replaced LSD--a million times safer than alcohol OR cigarettes OR the fentanyl and meth now replacing it. Nice work, Republican Party!
News flash -- Republicans don't run California. And conservatives don't control the Ninth Circuit Court either.
So everyone on the Court who voted for this should be disbarred, arrested, charged and locked up to wait for trial. How is the modern smart phone not equivalent to your "papers and effects"? The police don't have the right to make you unlock your file cabinet without a warrant. Checking your fingerprint is like checking your ID, not like turning over all your keys and passwords to all your stuff.
I disagree with the Court's logic. The cops didn't follow the proper procedure (arrest the Parolee for violating the terms of his Parole, confiscate the phone, and go from there). I REALLY don't like the implications of this ruling.
However, I believe that court essentially concluded that the cops actions only resulted in time being saved for all involved, since one of the rules of his Parole - THAT THE PAROLEE KNOWINGLY AND WILLINGLY AGREED TO AS A CONDITION FOR EARLY RELEASE - was that he was required to unlock his phone to law enforcement on demand.
Parolees have less rights than the rest of us. Hopefully the ruling is narrow enough that this precedent can't be applied to regular citizens.
Moral Of The Story: Biometric security measures are a bad idea, since it allows somebody else to bypass your device's security by applying physical force to you, as anybody who's seen Demolition Man is well aware of.
Seems there was a Star Trek (Next Gen) episode that turned on this too; a handscan was required to activate some widget, and the comment was made 'I assume this scan does not require you to be conscious' (or words to that effect), i.e. put your hand on the scanner, or I"ll shoot you then put your dead hand on the scanner.
That would have been 25 or 30 years back.
Idiocy and laziness will be the death of freedom yet.
Actually hands are mentioned in Demolition Man. Eyes are explicitly depicted and some heart rate and similar biometric detection system is depicted tangentially but never clarified. Everyone gets chipped (in their hand) in San Angelas and, without a chip, you can’t access finances, rent cars, make phone calls/access the internet, etc. and Spartan hopes out loud that Phoenix doesn’t figure out how to chop someone’s hand off (which his hacking skill would seem to obviate the need for/of), ironing that little wrinkle neatly out of the story.
More than anything with that movie, I wish they'd explained how the "three seashells worked" in place of toilet paper.
How to take a police state and make it worse.
How many letters after your name does it take to be this stupid?
Appeals Court Rules That Cops Can *Try To* Physically Make You Unlock Your Phone
If you're phone isn't physically keyed, physical force may or may not make you more compliant but does make you less capable of providing the key and/or overcoming the lock.
Is the key factor in this situation that the person was on parole and as a condition of his parole is subject to search at any time with or without warrant? I.e., if he was not on parole, would the forced thumbprint have been legal?
I agree that his being a parolee is A key factor, but not the only one.
The police are arguing that, because he refused to provide access to his phone - as he is required to do as a condition of his parole - that they were justified in using physical coercion to gain access to it, as opposed to arresting him, confiscating the phone, and investigating further (probably meaning "get a warrant").
I don't like the idea that physical force of ANY sort can be used to unlock the phone in this case. If he's required - under the terms of his parole - to unlock his phone and refuses and it was a PASSCODE, this justification by the court could also be used to argue that it would have been acceptable for the cops to tase him until he he unlocked it, since we've established that it's okay for the police to physically coerce somebody into unlocking their phone against their will.
I was about the say the same thing - this article glosses over that too much. The parole aspect changes things a lot, although I'm not sure how much weight the appeals court gave that.
Fingerprint lock is fine to secure it if you're not present, but we also need a way to indicate duress so the phone won't cooperate. Maybe if it hears the phrase "fuck you, get a warrant".
-jcr