Is Tou Thao More Culpable Than the Other Cops Who Helped Derek Chauvin Kill George Floyd?
The former Minneapolis officer's 57-month sentence is based largely on the premise that he was "in the best position" to save Floyd.

Derek Chauvin's deadly 2020 assault on George Floyd, carried out in broad daylight and in the presence of multiple witnesses who recorded it on their cellphones and later testified at Chauvin's murder trial, was an appalling spectacle that generated bipartisan outrage across the country. That outrage was compounded by the fact that two other Minneapolis police officers, Thomas Lane and J. Alexander Kueng, helped Chauvin pin a handcuffed Floyd face down to the pavement for nine and half minutes, while a third officer, Tou Thao, not only failed to intervene but also actively stopped bystanders, including an off-duty firefighter who was trained as an EMT, from coming to Floyd's aid.
The state sentence that Thao received this week caps three years of legal proceedings that aimed to assign responsibility for Floyd's death. Unsurprisingly, Chauvin, who was the senior officer on the scene and the main assailant, received the most severe prison sentences: more than 22 years in state court for unintentional second-degree murder and 21 years in federal court for willfully violating Floyd's constitutional rights under color of law. But contrary to what you might expect based on his indirect and largely passive role in killing Floyd, Thao's punishment substantially exceeds the penalties that Kueng and Lane received. Although that distinction is open to debate, there are plausible reasons to think it is justified.
"Suffice it to say that I think your culpability is less than Mr. Chauvin but well above Mr. Kueng and Mr. Lane," Hennepin County Judge Peter Cahill told Thao at his sentencing hearing on Monday. "As an experienced senior officer," Cahill emphasized, Thao "was in the best position to save George Floyd."
The 57-month sentence that Cahill imposed on Thao for aiding and abetting second-degree manslaughter, a crime with a "severity level" of 8, is the top end of the range recommended by state guidelines. It is six months longer than the sentence that prosecutors wanted and 16 months longer than the sentence that Thao's lawyer suggested. By comparison, Lane and Kueng, who pleaded guilty to the same state crime, received sentences of 36 months and 42 months, respectively.
All three officers also received federal sentences—30 months for Lane, 36 months for Kueng, and 42 months for Thao—after being convicted at trial of violating the same statute that Chauvin pleaded guilty to violating. The Supreme Court has said such dual prosecutions, based on the same underlying conduct, do not amount to double jeopardy even when the two crimes involve the same elements. The federal charges nevertheless seem duplicative, driven by a desire to send a message rather than considerations of justice. But in this case, they will have little practical impact, since the state and federal sentences will run concurrently and the former are longer.
Thao, for example, will be eligible for parole after serving 38 months, two-thirds of his state sentence. By then, taking into account "good time" credit, he will have completed his federal sentence. According to the Minnesota Attorney General's Office, the Minneapolis Star-Tribune reports, "Thao's state sentence will add an extra 70 days to his incarceration." The Associated Press says "Thao will be returned to federal prison to finish that sentence before he is transferred to a Minnesota state prison to serve out the remaining few months with credit for time served."
Both the state and federal sentences, however, reflect a judgment that Thao's conduct was worse that Lane's or Kueng's, which may seem counterintuitive. Lane received the lightest sentence in both state and federal court, possibly because he twice suggested that Floyd should be rolled from his stomach onto his side, a position in which it would have been easier for him to breathe. (Chauvin rejected that suggestion both times.) But unlike the other two officers, Thao did not directly participate in the assault on Floyd.
During Thao's sentencing hearing, Cahill mentioned one reason why he nevertheless viewed Thao as more culpable: Unlike Lane and Kueng, partners who were both rookies, Thao, who was Chauvin's partner, had been employed by the Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) for eight years. Because of Thao's experience and status, Cahill thought, he was better positioned to stop Chauvin's assault and to insist that Floyd receive CPR after he became unconscious, which happened about five and a half minutes into the prone restraint.
Cahill also noted that Thao, who launched into a 23-minute speech peppered by biblical references during the sentencing hearing, continued to insist that he had done nothing wrong, saying, "I did not commit these crimes." It is not clear whether Thao's insistence on his innocence played a role in the sentence he received, although Cahill thought it was worth mentioning. "After three years of reflection," he said, "I was hoping for a little more remorse, regret, acknowledgment of some responsibility and less preaching."
The 117-page opinion that Cahill issued in May, when he found Thao guilty, includes additional details that illuminate the judge's assessment of Thao's culpability. Thao waived his right to a jury trial and agreed that Cahill's verdict would be based on the evidence presented during Chauvin's state trial, during Thao's federal trial, and in "24 supplemental exhibits submitted by the State."
That evidence, Cahill concluded, "overwhelming[ly] proves that Tou Thao aided and abetted manslaughter in the second degree on May 25, 2020." That charge required showing that Thao "knowingly" aided a "grossly negligent act" that resulted in Floyd's death.
"Thao knew his three fellow officers were on top of Floyd, restraining Floyd in the prone position with knees forcefully and unrelentingly pinning down his neck, his middle back, and his lower back with arms also restraining Floyd's legs and his handcuffed arms (held behind his back while he was in the prone position)," Cahill wrote. "Thao knew that this prone restraint was extremely dangerous because it can cause asphyxia—the inability to breathe—the exact condition Floyd repeatedly told the officers he was suffering. Yet Thao made the conscious decision to aid that dangerous restraint: he actively encouraged the other three officers and assisted their crime by holding back concerned bystanders, declining to render medical aid to Floyd, not instructing any of the other three officers to render medical aid to Floyd, and not permitting any of the bystanders to render medical aid to Floyd, including the off-duty Minneapolis firefighter on the scene trained in CPR."
The active encouragement that Cahill perceived included Thao's early, abandoned suggestion that the officers restrain Floyd with a hobble, which connects the subject's bound feet to his waist or handcuffs. After the other officers "did not answer immediately," Cahill noted, "Thao suggested 'why don't we just hold him until EMS' arrives, adding 'if we hobble a sergeant's going to have to come over.'"
When Thao appealed his federal conviction, he presented his hobble suggestion as evidence that he did not "willfully" violate Floyd's rights. "Thao grabbed the hobble from the squad car and asked if the other officers wanted to use it, but Chauvin declined," the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 8th Circuit said when it rejected Thao's appeal last week. "Thao notes that he suggested using the hobble, which would have put Floyd in the side-recovery position. But Thao made this suggestion within the first minute of Floyd's restraint, so it doesn't account for his failure to intervene for the remaining eight minutes Chauvin had his knee on Floyd's neck."
In the opinion explaining his verdict, Cahill gave a somewhat different account and went further than the 8th Circuit, viewing the rejected hobble as incriminating. "If properly employed, that hobble would have saved Floyd's life," he wrote. "But Thao encouraged the other officers not to use the hobble and instead to 'hold on' and continue the physical restraint by which his three fellow officers were bearing down on Floyd, forcing him into the unyielding concrete of the street, drastically inhibiting his ability to breathe effectively. Thao's stated reason? 'If we hobble him, the sergeant is going to have to come out' to complete paperwork for a 'use of force review' mandated by MPD policy whenever the hobble device was deployed. The short of it: Thao did not want to follow the proper protocol and the work it would entail. George Floyd died as a result."
In his federal trial, Thao gave inconsistent testimony regarding the hobble. He said he worried that the need to remove it would impede medical aid when an ambulance finally arrived (by which time Floyd was already dead). He also claimed, even less plausibly, that EMTs would have had to wait until the sergeant completed the paperwork documenting the use of the hobble. Cahill dismissed both of those self-serving explanations, which he thought beggared belief.
The hobble aside, there was ample evidence that Thao, who was standing just a few feet from the other officers, was aware of what was happening. He conceded that he repeatedly looked in that direction, as body camera video confirmed. He claimed that the knee-on-the-neck restraint used by Chauvin was not "uncommon," because officers had been "trained on it." But he also acknowledged that it was not the same as any of the techniques taught by the MPD.
Thao could hear Floyd as he loudly complained, no fewer than 27 times, that he could not breathe. Thao explicitly dismissed those cries, agreeing with his colleagues that Floyd must have been getting plenty of air because he was still talking.
Thao heard and responded to comments from the horrified bystanders, who repeatedly noted that Floyd was not resisting, warned that his life was in danger, and berated Thao for not intervening. The off-duty firefighter repeatedly urged the officers to check Floyd's pulse and twice moved to help him, only to be ordered back by Thao.
Thao could hear Kueng when he finally checked for a pulse about six minutes after the prone restraint began and said he could not detect one. Kueng checked again, with the same result: "I can't find one." Thao heard that too, but he and the other officers still did not attempt CPR, which might have saved Floyd's life.
Thao described himself as acting like a "human traffic cone" during the incident, implying that he was distracted by the task of keeping the bystanders under control. But the witnesses, while angry, were never aggressive, and they complied with Thao's commands. He did not call for backup, did not enlist the help of a park police officer who was already at the scene, and admitted that nothing the bystanders were doing prevented him from objecting to the continued restraint or performing CPR.
Thao's comments to the witnesses suggest he was blithely indifferent to Floyd's fate. In addition to erroneously insisting that "he's talking, so he's fine," Thao made a joke of Floyd's predicament, saying, "This is why you don't do drugs, kids."
Thao later cited Floyd's drug use as a reason for keeping him pinned, saying he seemed to be experiencing "excited delirium," making his behavior unpredictable. As Cahill noted, excited delirium is a controversial diagnosis that is not recognized by the American Medical Association or the American Psychiatric Association. In any event, Floyd was not displaying the signs that are supposedly characteristic of that condition, and MPD training advises that suspects thought to be experiencing it should be placed in the "side recovery position" as soon as feasible, precisely because of the asphyxia danger to which Floyd succumbed.
Lane evidently took that training to heart. "Should we roll him onto his side?" he asked about four minutes after Chauvin pinned Floyd, citing concern about "excited delirium or whatever." Yet Thao, who avowedly agreed with that diagnosis, said he thought it justified maintaining the prone restraint, even though he conceded that police are not supposed to continue using force against a non-resisting suspect based on the fear that he might start fighting in the future.
Thao flouted his training and MPD policy, which condemns disproportionate force, requires officers to intervene when their colleagues use it, and demands that they render medical aid, especially when a suspect becomes nonresponsive and slips into unconsciousness, which he conceded should be viewed as "a red flag." During his federal trial, he also testified that he knew "keeping someone in the prone position can make it harder for them to breathe," although in this case he stubbornly disregarded that risk.
Cahill's opinion makes a persuasive case that Thao "knowingly" helped Chauvin kill Floyd. Fair-minded people might nevertheless question whether Thao's conduct, outrageous as it was, justified giving him a sentence 15 months longer than the one imposed on Kueng, who was even closer to Floyd and continued helping Chauvin hold him down, without objecting, until after he stopped talking, became unconscious, and had no detectable pulse. But in light of Thao's eight years on the job, he surely should have recognized the abuse he was witnessing, and he should have been more confident than the rookies in doing something about it.
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The FBI just shot and killed an elderly brother in our ward. Financial clerk for years. Sweet guy. Full swat team. My wife is good friends with his neighbor, she and her 5 yr old were terrorized. Wife went to check on her. His body is still laying in the street. My God.
I can't believe this has happened. I will get more details soon. This guy was a threat to no one. He was an elderly 300lb guy who could barely walk with a cane. Took care of his disabled adult son. Liked to make furniture. My God what is this country coming to?!
Neighbor says it was not the police but the FBI. WHAT THE EVERLOVING F*CK??!! How is an elderly man who can barely walk a threat to ANYONE??!! WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON??!!
We absolutely need to get the word out on this. Does anyone have any journalists that will look into this? We need people to investigate. I can't imagine whatever this man did it warranted a full FBI swat team and a battering ram at the crack of dawn.
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But was he a criminal with lethal level of drugs in his system and the right skin color?
As a warning to the neighbors? Why would they do that?
I witnessed the local police make a tactical entry into a home when I lived in Provo, but they certainly didn't drag the body into the street (he had already committed suicide).
The whole raid, murder, and display is intended as a message.
Literally State terrorism.
It’s time to rid ourselves of the democrats and their collaborators
How?
Inquiring minds want to know – I want to know: Did the FBI have incontrovertible proof that the man in Utah that they shot had voted for Donald Trump, or did they elect to shoot him based solely on an anonymous tip? Will one or more of the shooters have the range requirements for the Lon Horiuchi award waived and be able to wear "The Rifles"?
Now some of readers may not be familiar with the Lon Horiuchi Long Distance Rifle Proficiency Award. The lapel pin which identifies the wearer as a recipient of this award is called The Golden Crossed Rifles, but generally referred to in the vernacular just as "The Rifles". (Individuals who are found wearing such an insignia without having been made official recipients of the award, are subject to demotion if in Federal service, and are subjected to "special inquiry and detention" if not in Federal service.) This award is generally spoken of in respectful, if not awed, tones by agents who recognize "The Rifles" on a fellow agent's lapel. Holders of this award are considered especially valuable members of the team when serving of subpoenas and Federal misdemeanor warrants. (Heavy artillery pre-service bombardment and armored vehicles are typically used in service of Federal felony warrants.)
Typically to be considered eligible for this award an FBI agent must have scored a clean, one-shot kill on an unarmed malefactor from a distance of greater than 100 yards. In special cases the range requirement can be waived in cases where the
assassinateddeceased malefactor was a deplorable clinger proclaiming his desire for insurrection from somewhere within the Basket of Deplorables. (Example: the range requirement would have been waived for Lt. Byrd to receive "The Rifles" after his clean, one-shot kill of Ashley Babbit, except that at the time of that shooting, only agents of the FBI were eligible to receive the Lon Horiuchi Long Distance Rifle Proficiency Award. Since that shooting, eligibility to receive the award has been expanded to anyone in Federal service at the time of the shooting.) It remains to be seen if any (or all) of the shooters in Utah later show up wearing "The Rifles". Giving of the Award is not publicized, social media are encouraged not to report it, it is reported in the mainstream media only in cases of extreme deplorability of the deceased, and the Award Ceremony itself is held in the basement of FBI headquarters in Washington, and open only to agents above a certain rank, previous award winners, and the new recipient of the award."Huh? You wanna talk to me, Mr. FBI Man? Why? Did you get an anonymous tip that somebody around here voted for Donald Trump?"
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A lot of you clearly misunderstood me.
I'm not saying the guy should have made those comments or not been visited by the FBI.
I'm saying the response was FAR MORE heavy handed than they did for the multitude of threats against Trump. They busted through a man's wall in the early morning hours over a TWEET. This was their FIRST CONTACT with him.
A more reasoned response would have been a knock and talk. When he opened the door, and they saw that he was 70 and 300 pounds, they could have just told him to knock it off.
Maybe even just sit on his house during the Presidents visit. If he comes out with a rifle case, then arrest him.
They INTENTIONALLY took this to 11 to cause exactly this outcome and you can't convince me otherwise.
Was the guy dumb? YES. But for a threat to count, he has to have the capability to carry it out.
the political mileage the dems will get out of this will take them to the moon and back
I don't see how the FBI killing an elderly handicapped man at 6 in the morning gets them out of the drive way, much less out of the atmosphere.
They got away with it at Waco, Tx. Didn't mind murdering Randy Weaver's wife and son......
Disband the FBI.
Disband the FBI.
Vote Vivek.
And the Secret Service. (Deep State.) Shh...
Hey guys - we still have qualified immunity - wanna go murder someone today?
Which one of you is missing...
Mostly peaceful FBI raid.
Most of the people involved where not killed, therefore mostly peaceful.
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re: "Both the state and federal sentences, however, reflect a judgment that Thao's conduct was worse that Lane's or Kueng's, which may seem counterintuitive."
Not at all counterintuitive. All three of the other officers pled guilty and admitted to their crime. Thao insisted on a trial and, according to the linked article, remained unrepentant throughout. That factor does may Thao's conduct "worse than Lane's or Kueng's".
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So you believe in sentencing escalators for people who believe they are innocent?
Do you believe in sentence reductions for people willing to confess and show sincere regret?
Saying guilty is a separate question from “showing remorse.” The latter should have no bearing on a sentence post trial as someone who is truly innocent would express remorse for a crime they did not comment. It borders on thought sentencing.
The same shit was going on with the J6 defendants where judges were basing sentencing on fealty pledges to Biden.
No, because it leads to overcharging so the defendant pleads to a lesser crime to avoid spending 40 years in jail.
^
So they also need to renounce Protestantism? Or is it Catholicism?
If they float they are guilty, and if they drown they were innocent.
Listen up people. Thao's sentence was lenient. Haven't you noticed that Thao is Asian? Don't you realize that he shouldn't have been in that uniform at all. That job, with the gun and stick that goes with it, should have gone preferably to a brother who could have understood George Floyd's culture rather than yet another example of Asian Privilege, which is almost as bad as White Supremacy.
Do you realize that with the right recombination of the initial letters of Asian Privilege and White Supremacy you can spell out WASP? What more proof do you need of systemic racism, right here in River City?
You don't seem to understand much about our legal system. Pleading not guilty and fighting for your rights doesn't make one's conduct worse. It only means that you truly believe in your own innocence and are defending your right to freedom. All Thao did was stand there, while the others actively and physically engaged Floyd. Thao shouldn't have even been charged, much less tried and convicted. This entire process has been the worst witch-hunt I've witnessed in my 65 years of studying the US court system.
This is the ad you make if you want people to think you've never pumped gas before.
But look! He has a pick up truck! He's just like me!
Produced by a sound guy who's never used a lapel mic before.
He doesn't push the button and then he holds the handle the whole time? More like someone who hasn't pumped gas since 1980.
Has he been living in New Jersey or Oregon? I understand people in those states are also too dumb to pump gas.
you have to hold the handle cuz the auto fill mechanism doesn't work at most gas stations 🙂
That's not true at all
To yourself and Chuck P. but in CA (of course) and some other places the trigger latch is seen as both an overconsumption and safety risk and has been disabled or eliminated (No offense, intended, I don't make or even like the rules, I'm just aware of them).
Also, he’s pumped gas since the 80s (maybe not the 90s) because he didn’t seem confused about not having to lift the bale/switch at the bottom of the nozzle seat to activate the pump.
*This comment should, in no way, be construed an endorsement of Mike Pence.
Eh, Pence wasn't actually pumping any gas.
And I feel sorry for those of you who live in uncivilized (or over-civilized) parts of the country.
You mean, like the People's Republic of NJ, where we are the only state in the entire United States that does not pump our own gas? 🙂
I'm so confused. He made a commercial about gas prices and pretended to pump gas... so... what?
Do you think he thought he was really pumping gas? What's next, complaints that Johnny Depp wasn't really a pirate?
Goddamn it! How about a spoiler warning on Johnny not being a real pirate! 🙂
Im gonna need some proof he’s NOT a pirate.
But you can't prove he's not a pirate ... therefore he must be god !
>>actively stopped bystanders ... from coming to Floyd's aid.
whether he was being murdered or dying from drug overdose + health issues, actively stopping aid seems really wrong. protect and sever.
protect and sever.
Intentional or unintentional, that is some serious irony.
Itchy & Scratchy ... and if I had to guess Chuck Jones or Fred Quimby way before them
Except he didn't stop the EMTs, he stopped an unruly mob. The EMTs were wary of the mob and wouldn't proceed with them there. The narrative being pushed is a leftist lie.
No idea myself, but this sounds legit.
>>narrative being pushed is a leftist lie
I'm not convicting anyone
When isn’t anything the left says not a lie?
"Is Tou Thao More Culpable Than the Other Cops Who Helped Derek Chauvin Kill George Floyd?"
Can you really imply their intent was to kill Floyd?
Thao allegedly abandoned his own idea to hobble Floyd to avoid the extra paperwork. You'd think he'd have wanted even more to avoid the extra paperwork resulting from a dead suspect...
Negligent homicide does not require intent. Negligent homicide requires refusal to follow training and regulations with your actions resulting in the death. Their negligence clearly was illegal, and even if it did not directly cause the suspect's death, the refusal to follow their training and regulations to change tactics and provide medical aid long after the victim stopped fighting was enough to convict them.
At trial two different academy trainers said the police officers responded the way they were taught. The training was only changed after the trial. So by your own assertions it wasn't negligent homicide. One of the trainers even said Chauvin could have escalated to using a tazer when Floyd pushed himself out of the back seat.
The officer admitted under oath while testifying at his own trial that he violated training and regulations during the arrest of Floyd. You apparently did not read the article. He could have escalated during the first minute, but not after Floyd stopped fighting. He was required by training and regulations to intervene and insure that the officers turned him over on his side and that they changed restraint tactics. Those are what got him convicted and those are what got him the sentence he got. But by all means back the blue until all of us are dead from "I thought he had a gun," "I feared for my life" and "Ooops! Wrong address!"
No. The trainer from a different district did. The prosecution witness, not the defense. The defense presented the training material.
I see from your retreat to emoting facts don’t actually matter to you. So let me do the same.
But by all means, support BLM, support narratives over facts, celebrate falsified information and a propagation of a race war, support burning and looting. Think every cop is evil. Well except the ones who killed 2 protestors at J6. You guys seem to love those cops.
Hey, remember when somebody said we should have a national standard of training of police "across the board" for clarity’s sake so everyone could be held to the same standards of training, behavior, and legal culpability … and the police union said “No”.
That is not what happened. You are a liar.
Now do doctors during covid Edit: In addition to your post not replying
The real question should be: Is George Floyd just as culpable for his own death as the cops?
No. Floyd was much MORE culpable.
Is Tou Thao More Culpable Than the Other Cops Who Helped Derek Chauvin Kill George Floyd?
This article feels a lot like Jacob is trying to thread a spoon... and there is no spoon. I suppose he did a good job avoiding twiddling his thumbs.
"Feeelings ... nothing more than feelings ..."
Your life has no value.
Allow me a small correction: "Feewings, nothing more than feewings."
#StopAsianHate
Speaking of which, has Reason covered the Andy Ngo vs Antifa case?
Yes.
Are their still tickets available for the George Floyd canonization ceremony?
Just after his face is carved into Mt. Rushmore.
What if they make a movie about that sorry ass loser? Will it contain footage of his violent home invasion or pornography?
Jacob and the rest of the leftists cheering this, I hope you all experience the fullest consequences of the world you are creating. Why should anyone enforce the law if a prison sentence is all that awaits you if you cross paths with a sacred marginalized criminal. None of these men shoved the drugs down Floyd's throat so none of them are culpable for his death, but you need your human sacrifices regardless of the facts.
That's nonsense you made up in your head. Keung or Lane killed Floyd (whichever one was kneeling on his chest), and Chauvin, as the officer in charge, was responsible for it. You can't kill someone just because they're on drugs.
Chavun was the one kneeling dumbass. Why comment on something you know nothing about?
First coroner labeled the death an OD due to the amounts of drugs in his system. Floyd first stated he had trouble breathing while sitting in the back of the cruiser before he pushed himself out the other side. It wasn’t until it became a political issue and 2 coroner reports later did they come up with the asphyxiation as cause then switched it to heart attack at trial.
Fluid in his lungs was 2-3 times normal weight, indicative of an OD.
Chauvin was holding him down on and near the neck, but most of the time allowed him to move his head around at will (as you can see on the video). The other two were kneeling with their full body weight on his back and legs. I'll leave you to work out which of those actions could have caused the asphyxia the medical examiner testified was the cause of Floyd's heart attack.
Did your biology teach you that a shoulder was now called a near neck?
Shouldn't you be at a Cori Bush rally chanting hands up dont shoot?
It will be good when everyone else figures out (like I did well over a decade ago) that this country cannot survive the existence of the democrat party, and act accordingly.
How are your efforts to exterminate them going?
They're doing rather well in destroying the Republican party...
Whichever party drops their geriatric loser and nominates pretty much ANYONE else will win the presidential election.
The autopsy report that said he had a whopping 11 ng/ml of fentanyl and 19 ng/ml of meth in his system and no occult neck trauma would like to argue with you.
Floyd already had one foot in the grave when they stopped him.
If they hadn't Floyd would just be another statistic of death by fent.
Yeah, why would anyone enforce the law if they had to be bound by the Constitution?
You don't have to be a leftist to cheer this. We are going to experience the fullest consequences of authoritarianism whether you approve of this brief, tiny step towards punishing rogue, vigilante enforcers or not. No one should enforce the law if they have to violate the law and the Constitution in order to do so. Risking your life to arrest criminal suspects or defend the United States against military attack is a hero's job, not a jack-booted thug's career. Even if the suspect died from a drug overdose these cops were guilty of negligent homicide three different ways and I'd rather live in anarchy than rely on them to protect me or my rights under the law. Your silliness is the only thing here requiring human sacrifices regardless of the facts!
Do you have some cops being shot videos to watch?
MWAocdoc is a leftist tumor whose existence is an active threat to all decent humans
See, and that's how countries turn from free, prosperous and safe into totalitarian sh*tholes: people like you.
George Floyd killed George Floyd. And should have done so sooner.
Exactly. The Media hid the footage of Floyd in the back of the police car saying "I can't breathe!" How the Fuck can someone be choked to death for 9 minutes while saying "I can't breathe"? The riots and convictions were caused by the Marxist media.
I'm sure he decided to die just to prove them wrong.
"I can't breathe" can sometimes be shorthand for "I am having difficulty breathing." In which case you absolutely can talk, but you feel that your body is not getting enough oxygen. Your ability to say the phrase only means your airway isn't blocked, it doesn't mean there isn't a breathing issue.
It can also show that fluid was entering his lungs prior to being restrained from an OD.
The "meedja" hid it so well it was all over the Internet within hours.
Absolutely! The MSM is as culpable for all the riots, looting, arson, assaults and general mayhem ,.... everyone of them.
$2 billion in losses and damge due to the out of control riots in every city and the MSM just grins.
That obviously doesn't include you, Jacob.
Fair minded people would actually be asking whether any of these sentences were justified.
If I understand correctly all three where rookies under the direct supervision of Chauvin. To disregard Chauvin's directions would have probably led to their firing and they knew that. You have to understand how the "brotherhood" of the police works, how senority in the police department works, and now little regard anyone has for rookie officers. They had no way to know Floyd would die from an overdose in the incident. Non are culpable in any way.
You didn't read the whole article. Thao was Chauvin's partner; he had eight years' experience, so not quite a rookie...
That said, the judge's remarks made little sense.
Thao belongs in prison.
The dumbass should have taken a plea bargain. No free swings.
Maybe the time for reflection might make him a better person and enable him to reconsider superstition as a crutch.
Kirkland always reads like if Tucker Carlson was astroturfing as a prog.
Preachy reverends always turn against truly religious people the most, because they make them look bad.
You belong in a landfill. Better watch your ass.
You gonna throw your keyboard at him?
Arthur, we agree about Thao. He belongs in prison because he is guilty of negligent homicide.
Is Tou Thao More Culpable Than the Other Cops Who
Helped Derek Chauvin Kill George Floydshowed depraved indifference while George Floyd succumbed to a drug overdose?Still uncharitable, but much more accurate
Yes, I agree. It is the complete indifference to human life that all of the officers demonstrated that must not go unpunished.
Floyd had a lethal amount of fentanyl in his system, 11ng/ml, and as far as I can tell, never received any narcan.
He should have told the arresting officers about it.
I think they were aware.
"I can't breve"
GET IT RIGHT Jake. NO COPS kiled George Floyd. He suicided himself by a massive overdose of illegal drugs.. fantanly (FOUR time lethal dose) and met, TWO times lethal dose. The cops KNEW he was on those and did their best to stabilise him till medical help could arrive. But too late, as his dose was hitting hard.. which is why he could not breathe.. fent does that to ya.
Having his breathing restricted by a boot on his neck for nine minutes only stablised his chances of dying.
Indeed. Enough fent to kill three or four people.
The only fault I find with those cops is either their inability to notice a drug overdose or had no idea what to do.
If the cops had never come into the picture Floyd would be just another statistic along with thousands of others who died from fentanyl.
When the cops stopped him he already had one foot in the grave.
Do you really believe this, or is it some sort of coded message to your pals Beavis and Butthead? Two autopsies failed to agree with your layman's expert assertion that Floyd died of a drug overdose.
Clearly, that can only mean those doctors were part of the conspiracy...
https://twitter.com/FischerKing64/status/1689394665110568961?t=lz5B9w_fuc8PKL_jVUNOHw&s=19
Partly the judges will allow juror intimidation because they are also afraid. Their information is easily found, and they don’t want their houses burned down, or to be attacked in the street. This undoubtedly played a role in the Chauvin case, for instance.
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Is Tou Thao More Culpable Than the Other Cops Who Helped Derek Chauvin Kill George Floyd?
IDK, are Trump, J6 Protestors, and anyone arrested for nothing more than possession under the '94 Crime Bill more culpable than Biden, BJ Clinton, HRC, Fauci, and pretty much the entirety of the DOJ in helping kill democracy?
https://twitter.com/PhilipDerrida/status/1688708098502852608?t=e8CQNZ0BdK7Jcyzi4TQo7g&s=19
Thao: "I did not commit these crimes. My conscience is clear. I will not be a Judas nor join a mob in self-preservation or betray my God."
Judge: "I was hoping for... less preaching"
Good for him and fuck that judge
https://twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1689439646067908609?t=iG0E9CSTnQ-mhWevY3X6aQ&s=19
BREAKING: Ecuadoran right-wing presidential candidate Fernando Villavicencio has been shot to death by gunmen while leaving a rally.
The assassination comes less than two weeks before the country’s election in which the 59-year-old was a top contender.
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Barbarians.
They should have charged him with fanciful crimes instead like in civilized countries.
Global/U.S./WEF Power Grab accelerating.
- Juan Bolsanaro, former Brazil President, banned from running for political office until after 2030.
- Imran Khan, Pakistan PM, jailed.
- Fernando Villavicencio, Ecuadorian presidential candidate assassinated.
- President Trump facing vicious judicial harassment months before the 2024 presidential campaign.
Annihilate the left before they annihilate the American people.
How?
Fernando Villavicencio was a trade unionist, journalist and anti-corruption campaigner. He was also running fifth out of eight candidates, so not exactly an imminent threat to the Global/U.S./WEF elites...
George Floyd was the Regime's Horst Wessel. Discuss among yourselves.
I had assumed Thao wouldn't be charged at all, and I think Chauvin's sentence for killing an already-subdued suspect was about right. What was Thao supposed to do, pull his gun and arrest Chauvin? How many rookie cops would have done that, or should be expected to do that in a situation like that? Thao was stopping the crowd from "aiding" Floyd? The situation could have devolved into something much worse if the crowd had tried to intervene. This just seems like another politically motivated prosecution.
He was Chauvin's partner. He was supposed to try to stop them from kneeling on his neck. He was supposed to try harder to get them to turn him on his side and change his restraint method after he stopped resisting. He was supposed to provide medical attention after it was clear that he needed it. That's what a good cop, following department training and procedure should have done.
He wasn't kneeling on Floyd's neck. His black pants made it look that way.
So what we have here is some clown with a long criminal history, drug addict and pornographer, who already had one foot in the grave at the time he was stopped for attempting to pass off a bogus twenty dollar bill, as his body was already indicating signs of fentanyl over dose and vital organ failure. A sorry loser with a criminal history of violent home invasion, and other assorted crimes, a drug addict who was on death's door step who became a national hero to every street thug and moronic liberal, with wall murals and other useless shit celebrating the rancid and despicable life of a typical street thug.
Is it any wonder America is circling the drain. The liberals won't be satisfied until everything is torn down and tossed into the trash heap.
Basically
It's a communist revolution.
The affluent "liberals" believe that somehow they will be above the destruction and their lives will continue as usual after the collapse.
One could say the same about the MAGAts actively working to install an Orange Ceasar...
What JohnZ left out: The cops continued to hold Chauvin down and prevented any medical assistance for several minutes after he lost consciousness. That's depraved indifference. That's the moral equivalent of shooting a dying but not-yet-dead man.
What a load of crap. He ODed.
Good epitaph for him.
If the officers were just beating him with batons for no reason, Thao absolutely had to intervene. But kneeling on the neck is (or was) a legal move. Thao probably saw this kind of maneuver plenty of times and might have believed that Floyd was bellyaching.
He didn't perform CPR or tried to save Floyd was once he was out, so he's guilty of some negligence. Given that he didn't directly participate in the murder, maybe his sentence should be reduced on appeal.
"Derek Chauvin's deadly 2020 assault on George Floyd, carried out in broad daylight and in the presence of multiple witnesses who recorded it on their cellphones and later testified at Chauvin's murder trial, was an appalling spectacle that generated bipartisan outrage across the country."
What a spineless hand wringing first paragraph by Sullum. Deadly assault? Of a drug addicted criminal over dosing on fentanyl?
The rest of the article is equally as poorly thought out. What a waste of time. Pretending that the entire event wasn't manipulated by race baiters to deify a low life because he was black is, at the very least, misguided. None of the officers should be in prison.
His description is the sort of rot you find in the WaPo, N.Y.Times or on MSNBC.
Total liberal rubbish that ignores certain inconvenient facts.
Yes, like the conspiracy including two autopsies failing to confirm Floyd died of an obvious overdose!
...Tou Thao, not only failed to intervene but also actively stopped bystanders, including an off-duty firefighter who was trained as an EMT, from coming to Floyd's aid.
This is the problem. You effectively have no right to self defense against the government. Had someone without a badge tackled Chauvin off of Floyd, he likely would have saved Floyd's life. However, without Floyd's death, then there is not proof enough that the act was justified and the hypothetical tackler, had he survived the event, would be serving significant prison time.
The state and its agents want its assumed authority to be absolute and the people to be submissive. Americans should know better than to allow that. We have a God given right to self defense and to defense of others.
he likely would have saved Floyd’s life.
Not likely. The toxicology report indicates Floyd probably would have died anyway.
Lol, I thought the toxicology report indicated that Floyd was already dead?
The report showed doses of fentanyl and meth that would normally be lethal, but I was trying to be strictly factual.