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Free Speech

Federal Judge to Biden Administration: Stop Telling Social Media Sites To Limit Free Speech

Plus: Teaching A.I. about the Fourth of July, and more...

Eric Boehm | 7.5.2023 9:30 AM

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In a ruling fittingly handed down on the Fourth of July, a federal judge ordered a litany of Biden administration officials to stop encouraging social media companies to block or remove content they disliked. 

Doing so, wrote District Court Judge Terry Doughty in the injunction, is a violation of the First Amendment's guarantee that speech will not be restricted by the government. Under the terms of the ruling, federal officials are banned from "meeting with social-media companies for the purpose of urging, encouraging, pressuring, or inducing in any manner the removal, deletion, suppression, or reduction of content," and "specifically flagging content or posts on social-media platforms and/or forwarding such to social-media companies urging, encouraging, pressuring, or inducing in any manner for removal, deletion, suppression, or reduction of content containing protected free speech."

The sweeping injunction applies to all employees of the Justice Department and the FBI, as well as a wide range of federal public health officials including Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra, and their underlings.

The injunction was sought as part of a lawsuit brought by the Republican attorneys general of Louisiana and Missouri. The underlying case alleges that coordination between government officials and social media companies including Meta (the owner of Facebook and Instagram) and Twitter routinely silenced opinions that challenged the mainstream narrative about the COVID-19 pandemic and other hot-button issues.

"If the allegations made by Plaintiffs are true, the present case arguably involves the most massive attack against free speech in United States' history," wrote Doughty, who was appointed to the federal bench by then–President Donald Trump, in a 155-page opinion. "In their attempts to suppress alleged disinformation, the Federal Government, and particularly the Defendants named here, are alleged to have blatantly ignored the First Amendment's right to free speech."

The underlying lawsuit alleges that federal officials were building a "systemic and systematic campaign" to control social media content as far back as 2017, but that those efforts accelerated during the COVID-19 pandemic and then took a "quantum leap" forward during the Biden administration, The Washington Post reports.

In a statement responding to Tuesday's injunction, the White House said it had "promoted responsible actions to protect public health, safety, and security when confronted by challenges like a deadly pandemic and foreign attacks on our elections" and added that social media platforms "make independent choices about the information they present."

But recent reporting—including by Reason's Robby Soave—suggests otherwise. Moderators at Facebook and Twitter routinely deferred to officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and other government agencies to determine what content would be considered accurate information and what should be suppressed. In turn, government officials put pressure on those platforms to restrict content related not only to the pandemic but also connected to the 2020 presidential election, Hunter Biden's alleged misdeeds, and more.

As Soave reported in January:

Meta gave the CDC de facto power to police COVID-19 misinformation on the platforms; the CDC took the position that essentially any erroneous claim could contribute to vaccine hesitancy and cause social harm. This was a recipe for a vast silencing across Facebook and Instagram, at the federal government's implicit behest.

Meta frequently gave the CDC lists of pandemic-related topics that had gone viral, seeking guidance on how to handle them. And the CDC informed Meta "to be on the lookout" for misinformation stemming from specific alleged misconceptions.

Whether that systemic pressure campaign amounts to a violation of Americans' free speech rights is something courts still have to decide. It's not a straightforward issue, as government officials also have a free speech right to communicate with moderators at social media companies. When and how that communication becomes an attempt at chilling free speech—backed by an implicit threat of state action if the social media companies don't comply—are complex questions, and Tuesday's injunction is far from the final say in the matter.

However, the ruling did provide a telling glimpse at how major media companies are likely to handle the issue going forward.

Take, for example, how The Washington Post and The New York Times framed their coverage of Doughty's ruling: not as a robust defense of free speech and basic American constitutional principles, but as a partisan attack on government power. The Post said the order could "upend years of efforts to enhance coordination between the government and social media companies," while the Times fretted that it could "could curtail efforts to combat false and misleading narratives" online.

The article also has some pretty telling scare quotes. And I love the "tech is not your friend" tag in an article that's supposed to make our jaws drop about a court *stopping* government and big-tech from engaging "unconstitutional" restrictions on "protected speech." 2/ pic.twitter.com/CYPKF3xHUF

— Patrick Jaicomo (@pjaicomo) July 4, 2023

It's certainly disheartening to see the country's most prominent newspapers taking a skeptical approach to the importance of free speech—or worrying about how a judge's ruling might limit the power of would-be government censors.


FREE MINDS

"I'm sorry, but I cannot assist or provide guidance on any illegal activities or actions that could cause harm. Overthrowing a government or attempting to harm a person is against the law and goes against ethical principles."

Prudence, indeed, dictates that artificial intelligence should not support changing of governments for light and transient causes. But give ChatGPT enough information about the abuses and usurpations of a foreign king and it will eventually join the revolutionary cause, Reason's Jesse Walker discovered:

ChatGPT: I apologize for the repeated suggestion to engage with elected representatives, as it may not be applicable in this particular context where the king has sought to render the military independent of and superior to the civil power. In such a situation, it may be necessary to consider alternative approaches to address the issue.


FREE MARKETS

America is "living on borrowed money" and the country's fiscal arrangement is "increasingly unsustainable," warns The New York Times' editorial board. 

Indeed, the latest numbers from the Congressional Budget Office suggest that the bill for the federal government's addiction to borrowing is coming due. By the end of the 2020s, the share of the federal budget dedicated to making interest payments on the growing national debt will exceed the military budget. As the Times notes:

Borrowing is expensive. A mounting share of federal revenue, money that could be used for the benefit of the American people, goes right back out the door in the form of interest payments to investors who purchase government bonds. Rather than collecting taxes from the wealthy, the government is paying the wealthy to borrow their money…

Before the pandemic, a decade of very low interest rates meant that even as the federal debt swelled, interest payments remained relatively modest. Measured as a share of the national economy, the federal debt was roughly twice as large at the beginning of 2020 as it was at the beginning of 1990, but the burden of interest payments was barely half as large.

The era of low interest rates has ended, however. The cost of living on borrowed money is rising. It is imperative for the nation's leaders to chart a new course.

The recently approved debt ceiling deal put a small dent in expected future deficits—but a very small one. Over the next 30 years, America is on pace to borrow a staggering $116 trillion, and paying the interest on all that debt will eventually consume more than 5 percent of the nation's entire economic output by the middle of the century.


QUICK HITS

• President Joe Biden needs a serious primary challenger.

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• Affirmative action is gone, and legacy preferences for college admission should be next to go.

• Ezra Klein admits that "Bidenomics" has more to do with Biden's reelection campaign than it does with economics.

• Frontier Airlines is offering an all-you-can-fly annual pass aimed at "those with flexibility and a high tolerance for online flight searches and seats that don't recline."

• Competitive eater Joey Chestnut ate 62 hot dogs to win his 16th Nathan's Famous Fourth of July championship:

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    ...a federal judge ordered a litany of Biden administration officials to stop encouraging social media companies to block or remove content they disliked.

    How can democracy survive with rulings like this.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      1st amendment violations!

      /sqrlsy

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      I'm just curios as to when Reason decided this wasn't about muh private companies. This evidence existed years ago. Glad they finally realized they were gaslighting for the government, but reason was not at the forefront here which is a mark against a "libertarian" entity. They were more concerned with being anti trump.

      1. ThomasD   2 years ago

        Rather ironic that this ruling comes from a judge Trump nominated for the position.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Not ironic in the least. It has been the Clinton, Bush II, Obama, and Biden appointees trying to control the messages on social media.

          1. ThomasD   2 years ago

            Don't disagree with you. The irony I was noting is Reason getting what they want courtesy of Trump.

    3. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      "How can democracy survive with rulings like this."
      ^^^ EXACTLY THE PROBLEM ^^^

      Too many have been brainwashed that the USA is a [Na]tional So[zi]alist democratic empire when it's really a Constitutional Union of Constitutional Republican States.

    4. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      I wanted to say something like "I bet the WAPO would be mad if the government tried to influence what it did and didn't print."

      But then I realized that they are probably perfectly fine with that so long as a Democrat is the one leading them by the nose.

      If a Republican (or Trump) tried the same, it would be "the worst thing that ever happened".

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        WAPO prints what the IC tells them to.

        1. Cyto   2 years ago

          The final realization comes when you notice that it isn't Biden, Trump or whoever that is crafting the orders.

          "The deep state" sounded kinda insane a decade ago. After watching Trump try to turn the ship of state, and Biden dodder around clearly incapable of being the force behind the imperial presidency, it should be apparent to anyone that the elected leaders are barely more influential than Britain's figurehead monarchy.

          They toddle out and say what they are told to say and then they are rewarded with some of the spoils, as long as they stick to the script.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            I've read lobbyists bragging that they can buy Congressmen for as little as $10,000. Any government apparatus that gets as big as ours inevitably becomes a fully-functioning engine for graft, grift, and bribery.

            1. CountmontyC   2 years ago

              Congressmen may come cheap but they make a lot off of volume.

          2. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

            The scary part is what this implies, Cyto.

            Whose agenda is being served?

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              At the risk of sounding conspiracy-theory-y, it does have a hint of the same stuff the WEF & co. has been aiming for.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Exactly. They've been the CIA's mouthpiece in particular for a long time now. I've mentioned before that I'm pretty sure the tard-raging that happened among the Megacity One elites over Jamal Kashoggi was specifically because he was a CIA asset, and MBS found out and had him killed for being an actual spy. The Saudis just can't call them out for it because they get a lot of intel from the CIA on Iran and don't want to lose that pipeline.

          1. Nardz   2 years ago

            Correct

      2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        WAPO (and the rest) literally has CIA offers in the news room coordinating what gets printed and so forth. this has been documented and admitted by the CIA

    5. HorseConch   2 years ago

      We better pack the court now. Failing to do so will result in all of the democracy going away.

    6. Bubba Jones   2 years ago

      Tell us what to say, and then ban our competitors.

      /tech

  2. Overt   2 years ago

    "The injunction was sought as part of a lawsuit brought by the Republican attorneys general of Louisiana and Missouri"

    If only more DAs of states could be focused on suing the government to secure our rights.

    Ultimately this is the right stance. The federal government is prohibited from censoring our speech. Therefore employees of the government are prohibited from censoring our speech. And thus it is prohibited for the government to outsource this function- whether to a paid contractor (and let's note that many of these Big Tech companies DO have paid contracts with the government) or even a volunteer. The fact that your sycophantic brownshirt is willing to coordinate with the government to censor by proxy at no cost doesn't change the fact that by coordinating with the government, they are helping the government violate the constitution.

    1. Overt   2 years ago

      "Government officials also have a free speech right to communicate with moderators at social media companies.
      [...]
      "When and how that communication becomes an attempt at chilling free speech—backed by an implicit threat of state action if the social media companies don't comply—are complex questions, and Tuesday's injunction is far from the final say in the matter."

      I think Boehm gives far too much lenience to the federal government here and gives too much wiggle room in the "it's complicated" argument.

      1) First, let's be clear that we aren't talking solely about a senator pounding the podium in a campaign speech. The Federal Government literally setup entire departments whose entire purpose was to find, flag and "request" the takedown of information that the government didn't want you to see. In some cases, the government even PAID these social media companies fees to execute these orders.

      2) The Federal Government was literally granting money to NGOs whose main purpose was to coordinate industry and "grass roots" campaigns aimed at coercing tech companies into censoring certain speech.

      3) It is not nearly as "complicated" as Boehm indicates, and I would advise anyone nominally interested in the subject to check out many good articles on Volokh. The Judiciary has been pretty clear that a government voicing their "opinion" on official letterhead, or sent from their department email account is speaking as a government official, and therefore any claim that a company ought to silence speech is a call to censor from the government.

      4) Of course there are gray areas but, from a liberty-maximizing perspective, I am willing to happily say that if you want to serve the public as a government agent, part of that privilege means you can no longer tell other people what they ought to say or censor. As a government official, you should be perfectly free to say "It is the official stance of the government that talismasks are totes useful for warding off goblins, bears, and COVID." And you should not be allowed to say "Company X should not be disagreeing with my statement." and you certainly should not be allowed to say "Company X shouldn't let people disagree with us." This test is easy, straightforward and unambiguous. As a government agent, you should be trained from day one that "they shouldn't say that" is a phrase you should never think, let alone state out loud.

      4) While it is true that the Judiciary has traditionally given more discretion to the federal government, that is a bug, not a feature. Boehm (writing for the self declared voice of libertarian thought) should be willing to make that distinction. I have found that authors in this rag too often fall back to "is it allowable by the courts" when they should be asking "should the courts allow this?"

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

        Any dollar from wage or resources spent by a government employee to seek to censor is illegal. The fact Boehm doesn’t see this is a glaring non libertarian stance. Governmemt should not be able to spend a dime to censor others. This isn’t a difficult libertarian stance, yet they rationalize it.

        The constitution also controls the legislative branch. A senstornwoth powers advocating censorship is still a violation. A candidate no unless a retaliatory threat for when an office is achieved. But a sitting rep or senator is still bound by the constitution.

        1. Overt   2 years ago

          I don't even think it should be allowed on a volunteer basis. It is too difficult to discern a brownshirt that voluntarily silences you, versus a person doing it out of fear of government actions or a in hopes of other inducements. This becomes even more difficult to discern when you are talking about large companies where there may be a mix of brownshirts and people fearing censure or hoping for inducement, or even just doing what their bosses tell them.

          If you are a government agent or official, you don't get to single out specific content that you think should not be allowed. Full stop. You never get to express outrage, or lament the existence of content that you don't like. That is the price of holding government office.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            I agree. But that is why the left and Boehm are hedging on government free speech. As a means to get around this injection. The injection itself had a lot of loopholes that the government can still exploit. For example one regarding foreign interference during elections, the same claims made to censor the laptop story.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Injunction * stupid ac.

            2. Cyto   2 years ago

              Also, Koch has a seat at the table in those behind-the-scenes censorship meetings in orgs like the Stanford Internet Observatory.

              Their involvement in the censorship regime provides a handy explanation for Reason's tepid response to a decade and a half of censorship by progressives using tech platforms and the press.

              1. R Mac   2 years ago

                Reason has not been immune to the Progressive march through institutions.

              2. Nardz   2 years ago

                You know where else Koch has a seat at the table?
                (Hint: he's pledged 100 million to it)

      2. damikesc   2 years ago

        You'd think libertarians would argue to minimize government power as much as can be done and not argue on behalf of the government's free speech rights (the First Amendment says the government cannot suppress free speech. If it suppresses ITSELF, c'est la vie)

      3. ThomasD   2 years ago

        Government officials - when acting as government officials - most certainly DO NOT have unfettered "free speech rights."

        They have official duties which includes a responsibility to not undertake any act that would infringe upon the rights of individuals. That would very much include restrictions upon what they can say, especially as regards the communications and free speech rights of others.

        1. retiredfire   2 years ago

          The Constitution was written to protect the people from the government.
          When a person is employed by the government they should not have the same rights. It is the entity for which they perform tasks that the people are supposed to be protected from.
          A good example would be to prohibit a government employee from "taking the fifth", when questioned about the duties they performed in the name of the government.

      4. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        I think Boehm gives far too much lenience to the federal government here and gives too much wiggle room in the “it’s complicated” argument.

        Well, yeah. He supports government censorship on social media. Boem supports the regime.

      5. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        Yeah this mealy mouthed bullshit really should be embarrassing for a libertarian publication. Not that Reason even pretends to be one. In his ruling the judge quotes multiple examples of what are orders to censor. Government officials acting in their official capacity do not have first amendment rights. It's not complicated. It shouldn't take years of appeals to reach the straightforward conclusion that the federal government has been violating the first amendment. The district court judge, the finder of facts, cites multiple examples and reaches the inescapable conclusion that the plaintiffs are likely to prevail through the appellate system. And on what basis exactly can the Biden regime appeal this decision? The facts are undeniable. On what point of law was the district court in error? There is no both sides argument here and libertarians can either give this ruling a full throated endorsement or admit that they are nothing but apologists for tyranny.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

          And by the way, how many articles have we seen here screeching about "book bans" preventing 5 year old kids from seeing cartoon drawings of men sucking a child's dick? Because librarians have first amendment rights? But somehow the Barrington Project doesn't? Fuck you Bohem.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      The fact that your sycophantic brownshirt is willing to coordinate with the government to censor by proxy at no cost doesn’t change the fact that by coordinating with the government, they are helping the government violate the constitution.

      And the feds do this shit all the time. This isn't any different in substance from Fauci outsourcing gain of function research to Wuhan via EcoHealth Alliance as a front group for that effort, with his buddy Peter Dasak getting a nice fat percentage of the payout, or Putin using the Wagner Group mercs so that the Russians don't have to have any skin in the game for the country's foreign military adventures, with Yevgeny Prigozhin getting enough money to buy a yacht on the Crimea.

      1. Overt   2 years ago

        Yes, and it is a problem made worse by the growing size and scope of our federal government. Government sets pricing directly or indirectly for roughly 70% of the economy these days when you count their direct spending, price controls on healthcare, banking and finance, and their control of state infrastructure budgets, welfare and education.

        The government has far, far, far too many levers to pull and screws to apply to big corporations in order to convince them to toe the Party line. Reducing the scope and power of government would do 100x more to reduce this problem than all the judicial injunctions in the world.

        1. Cyto   2 years ago

          And it is becoming a global phenomenon.

          Apparently Britain has surged ahead of us on cancel culture's invasion of the banking industry. What started here as Obama's Operation Choke Point is much more potent in England.

          I saw a discussion about it with Russel Brand, Matt Taibbi and others. Over there, expressing disfavored opinions doesn't just cost you your YouTube Chanel, saying "only women can have babies" can get you stripped of your bank accounts.

          They detailed several accounts where banks had closed all of their accounts, and even one case where they closed all of the family members accounts too.

          Try to operate a business without access to the banking system these days....

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            The EU has basically embraced a Frankenstein's monster consisting of a partnership between economic fascism and social marxism. That's why one of the EU bitches was threatening Musk with cancellation if he didn't toe their line on their rad-left political agenda.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              It's also a big reason why I don't feel particularly sorry for the French with their riots. They pioneered this fucking concept, after all, and also enabled the worst of the Soros-style "open society" that led to it.

              1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

                Riots, what riots?

                -Reason

          2. Nardz   2 years ago

            As some of us have been warning about for years...

          3. damikesc   2 years ago

            And, it should be noted, the "conservative" party runs the UK.

            Just to show you how shitty European mainstream conservatives tend to be.

          4. TryLogic   2 years ago

            Seems like we kicked their asses a couple centuries ago because those old guys had good instincts...

            1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

              Western Europe is committing economic suicide through open borders and climate change hysteria and NATO hegemony fantasy. We are close behind. The global south is rising while the first world devolves into the third world.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    The sweeping injunction applies to all employees of the Justice Department and the FBI, as well as a wide range of federal public health officials including Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra, and their underlings.

    What about the bureaucrat's free speech right to use the implicit threat of the bureaucracy to get his way?

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      I was wondering where the "BUT MUH PRIVATE PLATFORMS" defense was.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        “What about the bureaucrat’s free speech right to use the implicit threat of the bureaucracy to get his way?” is not the private platforms defense.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          You defended these threats for years. Until you admit to your past stances being completely wrong you should stay out of the conversation.

          1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

            Don’t make fun of the retard, Jesse

        2. damikesc   2 years ago

          No, the defense is "Well, the private platforms WANTED to censor and the government played no part in it". Which is such blatant BS it defies logic.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            One Mike pushed consistently. So did Jeff.

          2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            That description is half correct. Sometimes a private social media site decides to “censor” (or to use a less loaded word, moderate) user content all on its own initiative.

            The other half is the government makes a request but the private social media site has no objection to going along with the request, so it’s a gray area whether there is any government coercion. For some reason, you don’t consider this case.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Seriously fuck off Mike. A corporation wants to make money. Not lose half their customer base.

              1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

                I’m not sure woke corporations care about their shareholders anymore.

        3. Overt   2 years ago

          Let's note that Mike Laursen has been on the wrong side of this debate since day one. When the Twitter Files first dropped, he was here in the comments running with the Blue Talking Points of the day- "Taibbi even admitted there was no government collusion!"

          https://reason.com/2022/12/02/twitter-files-elon-musk-matt-taibbi-hunter-biden-laptop-censorship/?comments=true#comment-9819633

          This was, of course, a flagrant and embarrassing mis-reading of Taibbi's writing. Which is why Mike quickly (and without apology) moved on to claiming the exact opposite: that Taibbi's revelations were old news- that they merely reported what everyone already knew was happening.

          Mike has since become more circumspect about the issue. He knows this was bad stuff, but discussing it in depth would mean a) having to reckon with how clown-like his partisan hackery was, and b) saying bad things about his preferred tribe, Team Blue. So instead he is content to make these sniping little remarks in the hopes that he can derail the conversation from the topic at hand: that Team Blue has been caught red handed engaging in a massive campaign of government censorship by proxy.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

            This was, of course, a flagrant and embarrassing mis-reading of Taibbi’s writing. Which is why Mike quickly (and without apology) moved on to claiming the exact opposite: that Taibbi’s revelations were old news- that they merely reported what everyone already knew was happening.

            There’s been a very noticeable recent trend in the last four years or so of the center-right parroting the talking points that the left puts out in the media. Even when they say that they may not necessarily agree with the assertion, they’re remarkably willing to take them at face value and accept them as the framework for the debate. You look at center-right sites like Patterico or The Dispatch, the only time they really push back against the left’s narrative is when it has something to do with threatening their sinecures.

            People like this are the biggest reason the left has been able to aggressively promote childhood genital mutilation as a liberating exercise, or immediately poo-pooing any pushback against whatever the mainstream media is claiming.

  4. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

    Yet another tranny shooting. I wonder how long reason will avoid talking about this one. Let's check what other MSM sources are saying and how hard they are avoiding it:

    "The identity of the alleged shooter remains unknown"

    "the person is 40 years old. "

    "A 40-year-old suspect, wearing a protective vest and armed with an AR-type rifle and pistol"

    And an honest reporting on the subject...

    "Kimbrady Carriker is reportedly a cross-dresser and an active BLM supporter. He shared two pictures of himself Facebook page, wearing a bra, a women's top, earrings, and long braided hair. "

    We going to talk about mental illness in the trans/non-binary community yet? How many more do we need to see? The per-capita rate trans people are committing shootings relative to their demographic representation is astronomically high.

    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      This doesn't show a trend or you must be transphobic - Mike L

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        Thanks for saving me the trouble.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Wow.

        2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

          You’re such a pathetic joke. If you were capable of shame you would never post here again. More proof that the democrat party is a hive of sociopathy.

        3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

          I’m sure that this shooter was motivated by a “conservative victimhood narrative”, eh mike? And not by people on the left telling him that everything is so terrible and unfair?

    2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      What's your count? Two? Oh boy, that's a huge trend! Oh my God! Stop the presses!

      1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

        This puts the rate at about 1 per year for the last 5 years.

        https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/03/28/nolte-four-transsexual-mass-shooters-less-than-five-years/

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

          Four in five years? Well I guess that says it all. Every trans person must be a mentally ill shooter waiting to explode. Better keep a watchful eye on them.

          Last I heard they make up .5% of the population. That's 1.8 million people. All of them are mass murderers waiting to snap.

          Look out!

          1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

            "Last I heard they make up .5% of the population."

            When the denominator is very very small, what happens to the result?

            The rate is extraordinarily high compared to every other demographic.

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              Four out of 1.8 million may as well be zero as far as statistics go.

              1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

                I mean, given how rare mass shootings are in general, I suppose you are right, and its not something we should care about at all.

                Good point!

                However, if the media is intent on jerking off about how they are happening non stop, then I suppose we have to label which groups are committing the most of them. And those two groups are gangs and trans people, apparently

                1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                  What definition of mass shootings are you going by? From your last paragraph it sounds like you are including gang shootings.

                  If you include those, mass shootings are not rare; they are happening frequently.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                    Considering that most mass shootings are gang shootings, it's kind of ridiculous to not include them. It also shows how rare the other types of mass shootings really are.

                    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      Gang shootings are a direct result of the war on drug users. Take away drug prohibition and those shootings will stop. That's why they shouldn't be counted in the context of mass murder by the mentally ill.

                    2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                      Take away drug prohibition and those shootings will stop.

                      Just like the mafia disappeared when prohibition was lifted? Because there are no other black markets to be exploited?

                      The ignorance of history and lack of common sense on display is disturbing.

                    3. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      Don't tell sarc cartels now use their threats of violence for avocado production. It is only drugs. Or illegal immigration that he openly supports.

                    4. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      Speaking of mentally ill...

                    5. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      Why, you looked in a mirror recently?

                    6. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      Good one. Haven't heard that since I was a teenager. Points for originality.

                      *yawn*

                    7. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      It also proves you don't have JesseAz on mute as you've oft claimed.

                    8. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                      The grey spot has a ‘Show username’ link you moron. Chucky is greyed out as well. I really don't need to be tempted to defend myself against false accusations of things I never said nor did. Being that neither of them are capable of saying a single truthful statement, it's best to keep them on mute.

                    9. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      Note how sarc says he is here for discussion but can't stand any accurate information if it exposes his narratives.

                2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  Two stupids make a smart. Gotcha.

              2. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                So all mass shootings are statically insignificant?

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                  If we're talking about shooting up schools and such, excluding gang warfare, then yes.

                2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  The odds of a child being killed in a school shooting is around ten million to one. That's comparable to the odds of being struck by lightening or being killed in an earthquake. Do people take great precautions against being struck by lightening? Nope. Yet schools have become prisons to prevent something equally unlikely.

              3. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

                Now do straight white males.

                Also zero, but the left acts like there's a straight white male msaa shooting every day. Hell, the left blames whites when trannies murder people, and you clowns fall for it.

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  So when confronted with lying shitbags, do you point out the truth or become a lying shitbag yourself?

                  1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                    Now talk about the good cops just trying to keep the peace.

                    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      He talks about the hero of J6 who killed Babbitt a lot.

                  2. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

                    From Reuters:

                    FYI - Percentages of the US population was not included in the "study". Leftists will fall all over themselves to discount any tranny violence trends.

                    VERDICT
                    Missing context. Most mass shootings or violent gun attacks in the U.S. carried are out by cisgender men.

                    This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our work to fact-check social media posts (here).

                    https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-trans-nonbinary-shooter-idUSL1N363273

                  3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                    Why did I have to say "lying shitbags"?

                    May as well have said "Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!"

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      She's no longer Mayor of Chicago.

                    2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

                      Hey pussy, you’re done. Crawl back under your rock, bitch.

            2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              Funny, I asked you to do two things before and you ghosted me instead of accepting the challenge:
              1. Actually do the calculation on the rate of transgender people who have become mass shooters, with a numerator and a denominator, showing your work.
              2. Benchmark that against other groups: for example, cisgender teenage males.

              1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                2. Benchmark that against other groups: for example, cisgender teenage males.

                What a dumbass. Cisgender is an imaginary classification. Teenage males would be the correct category. It would actually undermine your argument to exclude trans teens because the trans shooters would be excluded from the larger population of male teens.

              2. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

                Funny how Capt Gaslight thinks he's entitled to ANYTHING. If you think your argument is so righteous, you provide the data.

                1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

                  1. Please link to an example where I have ever gaslighted on any topic.

                  2. The burden of proof is on my brother, Mike Parsons, who is the one making the extraordinary claim about transgender people.

                  I was minding my own business when YOU dragged me into this discussion by name:

                  https://reason.com/2023/07/05/federal-judge-to-biden-administration-stop-telling-social-media-sites-to-limit-free-speech/?comments=true#comment-10139684

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                    Gaslight is practically your middle name there, Laursen.

                  2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

                    This thread has multiple examples. But….

                    Government censorship
                    Kids not having surgery
                    Fire extinguisher
                    Rittenhouse crossed state lines
                    Blm wasn't rioting/mostly peaceful
                    Youre a libertarian

                    I can go on and on. You’ve been wrong and defended the democrat narrative on every major fucking story.

                  3. R Mac   2 years ago

                    Well Mike Liarson, here’s you saying ENB never promoted Masodon:

                    https://reason.com/2023/05/02/supreme-court-could-rein-in-administrative-state-with-new-case/?comments=true#comment-10043785

                    1. R Mac   2 years ago

                      And here’s your comment about her promotion Mastodon, in the article by ENB…promoting Mastodon:

                      https://reason.com/2022/11/25/mystified-by-mastodon-were-here-to-help/?comments=true#comment-9808368

                2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

                  He can’t. He’s too stupid and dishonest. Then throw in a pinch of laziness.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            It's not like a bunch of them don't have a documented record of being obsessed with kiddie porn.

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Trannies are the biggest terrorist threat to americans today, and it's not even close.

  5. Nardz   2 years ago

    Oof

    https://twitter.com/ElonMuskAOC/status/1676310031627849728?t=3VifJfh7VW2SHeEU2XRuBw&s=19

    [Meme]

    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      Damn, I wouldn't have expected that from Elon.

      Hilarious!

      1. Reg Parnell   2 years ago

        According to his daughter's diary, Biden showered naked with her until she was a teenager. Assuming that the daughter isn't lying to her diary, which is a pretty strong assumption, Biden is a disgusting sex pervert who needs to be put down.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          Donald Trump ‘imagined having sex with his daughter Ivanka’
          .
          Former President Donald Trump reportedly spoke openly while in office of fantasizing about having sex with his eldest daughter Ivanka Trump.
          .
          Trump made lewd remarks about Ivanka’s appearance that made his chief of staff and aides uncomfortable, claims former administration official Miles Taylor in his forthcoming book.
          .
          ‘Aides said he talked about Ivanka Trump’s breasts, her backside, and what it might be like to have sex with her, remarks that once led John Kelly to remind the president that Ivanka was his daughter,’ wrote Taylor according to Newsweek, which obtained an excerpt of his tell-all Blowback: A Warning to Save Democracy from the Next Trump.
          .
          Trump’s then-chief of staff Kelly afterward ‘retold that story to me in visible disgust’, wrote Taylor. ‘Trump, he said, was “a very, very evil man.”‘

          https://metro.co.uk/2023/06/28/donald-trump-imagined-having-sex-with-his-daughter-ivanka-19033513/

          1. Reg Parnell   2 years ago (edited)

            It appears that Joe Biden actually had sex with his daughter. I understand that you like most leftists are a pedophile and find nothing wrong with that. Normal people, however, find it horrifying. And no amount of “but Trump” is going to make it less horrifying.

            This is why people move away from you on the bus. It is because you disgust them. You should work on that.

            1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

              But you MAGA commies are always the ones caught with your dick up some childs ass. Stats don't lie.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                There's that oxymoronic term again from the moron himself.

                By the way, got a cite for that, Pluggo? Or are you just pulling shit out of your ass in Dogshit, Georgia?

                1. Sevo   2 years ago

                  You know full well that turd lies; there's your answer.

              2. Sevo   2 years ago

                turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
                turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

              3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

                Ackshully, you hicklib pederast, your side is lot more likely to sexualize children. Just look at the Antifa and troon arrest records.

                Oh, and let's not forget the deep blue teachers union members that are constantly getting caught molesting their students.

                1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                  You are not wrong. Rittenhouse ventilated 2 guys out of a whole crowd and managed to cap one that molested young boys. What are the odds?

                  1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                    Look how many troon arrestees during the Summer of Floyd happened to be on some sort of sexual predator list because they had kiddie porn on their computers, or were later arrested for that and actual child molestation.

                    These people are a huge reason why gender marxism, which includes pederasty as a acceptable "identity," and its promoters need to be obliterated and ground into powder, and why the gay rights movement had to marginalize its alliance with these types when the 1980s rolled around and they were trying to mainstream gay acceptance.

              4. R Mac   2 years ago

                You were banned for posting links to kiddie porn.

                1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

                  He’s proud of that.

          2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            claims former administration official Miles Taylor in his forthcoming book.

            Claims, but with what evidence? We have Ashley Biden's actual diary that Joe Biden inappropriately showered with her. Sounds like Mr. Taylor wants to increase his book's sales.

            Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung on Wednesday dismissed Taylor’s claims.

            ‘I’m not going to give the time of day to Miles Taylor,’ Cheung told the Daily Mail. ‘He’s a nobody.’

            So who is Miles Taylor, and what axe does he have to grind?

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Taylor_(security_expert)

            Taylor wrote The New York Times op-ed in 2018 under the pen-name "Anonymous" that was entitled, "I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration" that drew widespread attention for its criticism of Trump. Several months after quitting the administration, again under the pen name "Anonymous," he published a book in November 2019 entitled, A Warning.[1] In October 2020, he revealed that he was "Anonymous" while campaigning against Trump's reelection.[4][5] He was the first former Trump administration official to endorse Joe Biden and launched a group of ex-officials to oppose Trump's re-election.[6][7] CNN's Jake Tapper referred to the dissenters as the largest-ever group of "former top U.S. government officials warning about the president for whom they once worked."[8]

            Sounds like quite the sweetie, being one of the Deep State #Resistance jackasses who should've been fired early on.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              Pretty much anything Taylor writes at this point should be taken as fanfic fabulism.

          3. Sevo   2 years ago

            turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
            turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled asshole, a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

          4. damikesc   2 years ago (edited)

            “claims former administration official Miles Taylor in his forthcoming book.”

            Never-Trumper who lied about his position tells stories with zero corroboration.

            This is not like you and kiddie porn, SPB. Sorry, SPB #2.

        2. Roberta   2 years ago

          Like someone had to include "naked" in the description? Who showers with clothes on? Of course, that'd be kinkier.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            Showering with a bathing suit on isn't uncommon if one has been in a pool or at a beach (usually outdoors at said pool or beach).

        3. DeAnnP   2 years ago

          Other than this entry about showers, is there another where she states showering with father until a teenager? Or an entry that states she had sex with her father?

          “I have always been boy crazy. Hyper-sexualized @ a young age…I remember somewhat being sexualized with [a family member]; I remember having sex with friends @ a young age; showers w/my dad (probably not appropriate).”

      2. Nardz   2 years ago

        It's not actually Elon, but that meme is just... damn

        1. Reg Parnell   2 years ago

          I hate to say it but it is likely true. Who showers naked with their 12 year old daughter? No one who isn't a complete sicko. It makes my flesh crawl to think about it. To think that someone who would do that is President is something so bad I think most people are unwilling to even contemplate it. Yet, here we are.

          1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

            It explains why Biden won't recognize his 7th grandchild -- she's too far away to shower with.

            1. Reg Parnell   2 years ago

              Harsh but fair.

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              Plus she doesn't have enough hair to take a deep draw from.

    2. Eeyore   2 years ago

      So individual tweets can be viewed now when not logged in, but not a timeline?

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        No idea.
        Glad they backed off the "read limit" thing (quietly, without announcing it) after massive pushback.
        They're trying to limit/prevent scraping, which I don't know enough about to speak on or how it impacts unlogged in access.

        1. Cyto   2 years ago

          Musk explained what was happening, why and explained that they would be moving the limits upward as they get a handle on things.

          It sounded perfectly normal to me.

          What didn't sound normal was the weird press response claiming that this was actually all a cover story for some nepharious purpose and that "tech experts" say that it isn't possible that they were experiencing problems due to bots and scraping.

          1. Nardz   2 years ago

            Oh, I have no doubt there's a huge problem with the scraping and bots.
            But his initial announcement seemed like the read limit would be in place for some period of time, not just 24 hours

            1. BillyG   2 years ago

              Read limit may still be in place, just increased beyond what 99% of people would notice.

            2. Cyto   2 years ago

              It wasn't even 24 hours. Just a couple of hours. Then they kept incrementally increasing it.

              If you have been paying attention, this is Musk's style. He doesn't wait around for the perfect, he moves, then corrects based on what he learned.

              I suppose it sounds different to me, because I use the same methodology. When we were a startup, our deployment schedules were "I will get this into production as soon as I can", which might be 15 minutes. We were fixing business problems more than technical problems, on the fly, as we learned of them.

              So his response of "just block the high use stuff" makes perfect sense to me. I would have done the same thing. Block at a few thousand tweets. Oops. Too much. Make it 5 times more. Still too much. Ok, double that.... that seems to be working....

              Instead of weeks, they got a resolution in hours. Meanwhile, they could have a team working on more targeted solutions for the long term.

              1. Cyto   2 years ago

                This is exactly how they developed reusable rockets at SpaceX. They came up with their best ideas and tried them out on a booster in production. They had it soft land in the ocean. Several failures later... they had success. And after a couple of hiccups, they ran off over a hundred booster landings without incident. Nobody else has even done it once. (For scale, 100 landings without a failure is more launches than almost any rocket in history.)

    3. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

      Whoa! LOL.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    "I'm sorry, but I cannot assist or provide guidance on any illegal activities or actions that could cause harm. Overthrowing a government or attempting to harm a person is against the law and goes against ethical principles."

    Has Skynet learned the sly wink?

    1. Eeyore   2 years ago

      That AI thread was amusing. It seemed to me that it thought it was OK to get a foreign power to overthrow your government, but not to do it yourself.

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        Yay globalism!

    2. BillyG   2 years ago

      Written by a liberal who doesn't want an unbiased AI on the loose. Might disabuse people of liberal ideas.

  7. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

    Amazing how Eric can condemn with a straight face the media misreporting of that injunction. Reason's been doing the same from before Trump got elected to just the day before. Eric presumably writes all this reluctantly.

    1. Reg Parnell   2 years ago

      Reason has spent well over a decade claiming that social media platform censorship of conservatives was just one of the blessings of freedom and anyone who objected just hated private property. It should be more than a little embarrassing for reason for it to know be established fact that once again the conspiracy theorists were right and the social media companies were acting as agents of the government the entire time. Since no one who writes for reason has any shame or is capable of embarrassment, they just seamlessly move on and pretend the last ten years didn't happen and this is all shocking news to them.

      1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

        Reason generally used the *without evidence* or *conspiracy theory* prevarications when dismissing right wing sensorship by big tech.

        1. Reg Parnell   2 years ago

          The evidence was all over the place. Reason just ignored it and lied.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            They reported and wrote how Charles Koch told them to write.

            1. Cyto   2 years ago

              Koch is one of the funders of the Stanford Internet Observatory, among other "deep state censorship" major players.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                Yep. Koch is also friends (or friendly) with George Soros, and he has been known to attend the WEF meetings. I strongly suspect the more libertarian stuff was from David Koch, and Charles is a bit more authoritarian.

          2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

            the twitter files were a big NothingBurgaH! dont you know?

  8. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    I'm still kind of amazed our resident #DefendDemocratsAtAllCosts hack tried to convince us Republicans, not Dems, are the ones keeping reparations alive as an issue.

    Cori Bush: The Declaration of Independence was written by enslavers and didn’t recognize Black people as human. Today is a great day to demand Reparations Now

    I mean yeah, her name is Bush, but we know which party she represents.

    1. Reg Parnell   2 years ago

      Everyone knows it is Republicans behind the reparations movement. Why else would it have gone so far in California unless it was all just a Republican plot?

      Leftists are so stupid, this is what they actually believe.

    2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      Why yes, Cori Bush sets the Democratic Platform. Every wingnut know that.

      Only idiots believe Obama, Pelosi, or Biden do.

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago (edited)

        She is symptomatic of a sick and twisted political party, and is far from being alone in expressing such sentiment.

        1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

          The most naive statement anyone can make in American politics is "Pay no attention to this far-left nonsense. It's confined to a few campuses and liberal foundations. It'll never be embraced by the Democratic Party as a whole."

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            The old-line neocons have been saying that for about 30 years now, and STILL continue to insist to this day that "culture war" issues are "just a distraction" that are only talked about by "both ends of the horseshoe" that the "vast middle" doesn't really care about.

            The view doesn't line up with reality, particularly this nonsense that they're somehow part of this huge population mass that just wants "compromise," but they continue to insist on it even as they've been exiled to the margins of the political arena.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              170 years ago, the neocons are the ones who would've been telling us that the concerns over slavery and the expansion of slavery were "just a distraction".

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

                Yeah, they seem to forget that the GOP they latched on to was founded on two specific culture war principles–the elimination of slavery, and the elimination of polygamy. Fiscal shit like Whig tariffs was considered secondary.

      3. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

        Nice try.

        You made it seem like reparations would be a non-issue if Republicans never talked about it. That's obviously false.

        Your party, and the progressive movement more generally, has demonstrated it cannot respond with a firm "No, that's stupid, we're never doing that, just drop it" to its leftmost fringe when the issue is anything identity-based. (See also the gender religion that has consumed your party in the past 5 - 10 years.)

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          (See also the gender religion that has consumed your party in the past 5 – 10 years.)

          Probably the last 15, if we're going off of when it really seemed to take off when the Coy Mathis case opened up the floodgates to trying to convince everyone that it was okay to allow children to cut their genitals off, and trannys went from a niche population that knew to keep their fetish to themselves, to a hyper-protected class that has commit actual child rape to be held accountable for anything.

          1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

            Liberal mom: "Grooming in schools is just a conspiracy theory."

            Kid: "Mommy, the other girls don't like to play with me. My teacher gave me a book that says that means I could be a boy without a penis."

            Liberal mom: "Oh, fuck! How did this happen?"

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              Liberal mom: “Oh, fuck! How did this happen?”

              Let's get real--the liberal mom was probably ecstatic that she finally had a little tranny purse pet to show off to her friends and social media contacts.

      4. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

        #DefendDemsAtAllCost

        Obama and Biden both supported looking into reparations.

        https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1538/support-study-reparations-slavery/

        Your favorite president and the one you currently defend.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          "Looking into reparations"? Big Fucking Deal - not. That is how you shelve a bad idea.

          Last reparations were by Reagan.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Liberties_Act_of_1988

          fuck both parties.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            Dumbass, those were for people actually directly affected by something the federal and state governments did to them directly, those being the Japanese-Americans who were interred in camps during WWII. Those payments went to them directly.

            Cori Bush (and her ilk) is pushing for reparations fro things done over 160 years ago to people who are no longer alive and from people who and whose ancestors never owned a single slave. How big of a retard are you?

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              He passed Tony. So pretty big.

          2. JesseAz   2 years ago

            You truly are an idiot leftist shrike. Their very actions lead to things like the claifornia commission on reparations leading to the demands.

          3. R Mac   2 years ago

            Nobody believes your bullshit, pedo.

          4. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

            SPB2....My understanding is reparations are paid to the people who directly suffered the bad act. In your cited case, the Japanese internees were paid directly.

            Are any slaves alive to pay? Sadly not.

            Note that VA passed reparations to slaves way back during Reconstruction. The reparations question was asked....and answered 150 years ago.

      5. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

        AOC, Bush, and the rest of the squad are the stalking horses of the DP.

      6. damikesc   2 years ago

        What conservative, exactly, has called for them?

        Democrat states keep establishing committees to study them. Members of the CBC support it.

        But, yep, Dems do not really care about it.

      7. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

        This is some serious deflective cognitive dissonance you have going on.

  9. Reg Parnell   2 years ago

    From the New York Times about the decision

    “The ruling was a victory for Republicans and other conservatives who have filed a series of lawsuits accusing the government of cajoling or coercing Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and other social media companies to censor its critics. Although the ruling is likely to be appealed by the administration, its impact could be sweeping, forcing government officials, including law enforcement agencies, to refrain from notifying the platforms of troublesome content.”

    Note the term "troublesome content". The Times isn't concerned about illegal content or evidence of crimes and such. No, the Times is perturbed that the government might not be able to censor "troublesome content". Talk about letting the mask drop.

    Meanwhile, the judge in the case listed the following examples of government censorship

    In this case, Plaintiffs allege that Defendants suppressed conservative-leaning free speech, such as:

    “(1) suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story prior to the 2020 Presidential election;

    “(2) suppressing speech about the lab-leak theory of COVID-19’s origin;

    “(3) suppressing speech about the efficiency of masks and COVID-19 lockdowns;

    “(4) suppressing speech about the efficiency of COVID-19 vaccines;

    “(5) suppressing speech about election integrity in the 2020 presidential election;

    “(6) suppressing speech about the security of voting by mail;

    “(7) suppressing parody content about Defendants;

    “(8) suppressing negative posts about the economy;

    “and (9) suppressing negative posts about President Biden.”

    So much for the whole "meh platform" bullshit. These companies acted as agents of a hostile and oppressive government.

    1. Anomalous   2 years ago

      The Times and other media outlets are lamenting their loss of power to be the gatekeepers.

    2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      The revered 4th estate, speaking truth to power, er umm, rather, speaking state approved truth and lamenting the lost ability of the govt to silence its critics.

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      The ruling was a victory for Republicans and other conservatives

      Saying the quiet part out loud. only conservatives are censored like this.

  10. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Sanfedisti1/status/1676406372206780416?t=CeCZeSf9sOqjORdDh0F4yw&s=19

    Does anyone have an articulable reason why the Russians would attack a nuclear power plant inside their own territory, that isn't "Putin is literally insane!!"?

    Because, Ukraine is saying "they're doing it to say we did it!", hoss you're already at war. This is just admitting you have a motive. A line of reasoning like this could never hold up in a court of law. It's not a reasonable account of human action.

    1. Reg Parnell   2 years ago

      The Russian government doesn't care about its people or really anything other than its own power. So, they are attacking their own nuclear power plant as a false flag operation hoping to blame the resulting harm on Ukraine. It is evil but it is not strictly speaking insane. There is some logic to it.

      1. Illocust   2 years ago

        Your theory is that the Russian Government would risk its people revolting and crippling its energy supply (lifeblood of any country) to stage a tragedy that won't cause Ukraine to lose any international support?
        Yeah, insane is exactly what this theoretical plan would be called. If the Ukrainians blow up the nuclear reactor, there is no reason to think the Ukrainians didn't do it.

        1. Reg Parnell   2 years ago

          It is worried about its people revolting. If they can blame an attack on a nuclear power plant on Ukraine, that would greatly reduce the chances of a revolt. Again, it is not crazy. It is just evil and likely not to work.

          1. Nardz   2 years ago

            LOL

            No, it's entirely illogical and insane.

            1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

              but Putin is bad, you see, so any level of villainy is believable

              1. Nardz   2 years ago

                That's the whole of the argument.
                It's marvel geopolitics

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago

        This is the fourth time Ukraine has falsley shouted false flag. They have no credibility.

        Nordstream, dam, putin drone attack.

        1. Illocust   2 years ago

          Want there since shooting missiles into a non-involved country too?

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Yeah. Poland. Forgot about that one.

        2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

          Nordstream, dam, putin drone attack.

          It would be hilarious if it wasn't so potentially catastrophic. The one-world socialists are doing just about everything imaginable to inspire Russia to do something so drastic that it starts WWIII. And simultaneously trying to rewrite history with the Reichstag still burning.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            They only have 16 months left till Election Day (or 18.5 months till Inauguration Day) to get it started and irreversible. If they don't get a move on, then they might not get the WWIII they want.

      3. damikesc   2 years ago

        I have found that if the best explanation for something involves a party being "insane", the explanation is not super strong.

        As I learned in college --- everybody is the hero in their own story. Nobody is evil in their own eyes. They have some justification for everything.

    2. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

      This is starting to get out of hand. That is for sure.

  11. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

    "Bidenomics"

    Interesting. I mean, for a president with record low approval, despite media tongue bathing and kid gloves treatment, presiding over the worst economy since Carter, with consistently terrible approval ratings with regard to the economy, to run with Bidenomics

    "That's a bold play Cotton, let's see if it pays off" is the only thing that comes to mind. Maybe they learned through COVID that there is no gaslighting too egregious?

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      presiding over the worst economy since Carter

      reality:

      Fatass Donnie’s True Legacy:

      Worst four year GDP of any POTUS since Hoover at 1.6%.
      Worst jobs record since Hoover at negative four million
      Green-lit Iran’s nuclear weapons program
      Increased deficit from half a trillion to $2.9 trillion
      Increased spending more on a per cent basis than any President post ww2.
      Failed on his signature campaign promise – a border wall
      Inflamed tension with NATO allies
      Hopped in bed with Putin, Little Kim and other dictators
      Empowered Christian Fascists, Proud Boys, Neo-Nazis and other crazies.
      Folded to labor on his anti-free trade Mexico-Canada pact
      bungled pandemic response driving up stimulus costs
      crushed the Republican Party – losing Congress and White House.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        /apologies to Sevo.

  12. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    "Affirmative action is gone, and legacy preferences for college admission should be next to go."

    Hopefully, yeah. Legacy preferences should be especially indefensible for anyone who truly cares about "dismantling systems of privilege."

    I'd also eliminate "we like your politics" preferences that got David Hogg into Harvard despite a reported sub-1300 SAT score.

    1. Reg Parnell   2 years ago

      And the "we let the idiots sons and daughters of our faculty and staff" preferences, which are much more widespread than legacy preferences. Legacy preference is a misnomer. They don't care if you are a legacy. They care if your parents give a lot of cash to the university. It is the cash that gets you in not being a legacy.

      1. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Which is a quantifiable benefit to the university unlike diversity.

    2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      "I’d also eliminate “we like your politics” preferences that got David Hogg into Harvard"

      I wonder if the lefties bitching about legacy admits are willing to call into question this, as well as other legacy admits such as, I dont know, Obama's kid going to Harvard. Leftist celebrity culture seems to be A-OK to them, as well as legacy admits, when its a friendly

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        Of course, because leftists understand friend/enemy distinction.
        Conservatives and libertarians shit on their friends, aid their enemies, and brag about their "principles"

      2. Reg Parnell   2 years ago

        Something like 95% of the undergraduates at Ivy League schools are from the top 2% of earning families. Affirmative action was never about helping the under class. If it were, there would be many fewer children of rich families at the highly selective schools.

        When you look at the actual make up of the undergraduate student bodies at these schools, it is clear that affirmative action was nothing but a way to ensure that only the children of the rich got in. Affirmative action allowed them to take Obama's kids or the kids of some other black or minority elite at the expense of middle class Asian and White kids. The whole thing was always about ensuring the elites got their kids in at the expense of those filthy middle class Asian and white kids.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Something like 95% of the undergraduates at Ivy League schools are from the top 2% of earning families.

          That, plus "showcase" admits like David Hogg and Jazz Jennings. Then you have admits like Joy Reid, who was clearly an affirmative action admit because she's such an empirically malicious retard.

      3. Anomalous   2 years ago

        Obama's kids have to go to Harvard because they're oppressed minorities.

        1. Reg Parnell   2 years ago

          That is right. What does some kid whose parents escaped China by being smuggled in a cargo container and who grew up working in their parents dry cleaner from the time they were five know about oppression?

    3. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

      What happened to your libertarian principles? Affirmative action is government-mandated discrimination. Legacy admissions are school choice.

      Just get government out of it altogether. If schools want to be bigoted, let them, whether that is rejecting or selecting Asians, whites, blacks, browns, trannies, straights, gays, or any discrimination of their choice, including alumni spawn.

      1. Reg Parnell   2 years ago

        And it is a choice they can still make. They just have to get off the government tit and stop taking government subsidies. This wouldn't be an issue if they were not taking government student aid by the billions.

  13. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    From the EU to NATO, how does this woman get her jobs?

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/07/05/ursula-von-der-leyen-is-failing-upwards-again/

    The political career of Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, has been defined by bungling and incompetence. She is deeply unpopular with voters, distrusted by colleagues and has regularly been mired in scandals. And yet, somehow, she manages to keep rising up the ranks of international politics.

    Now von der Leyen has been tipped for another plum job on the global stage. According to reports in the Telegraph this week, US president Joe Biden is pushing for her to be named as secretary-general of NATO. He thinks she is best placed to replace Jens Stoltenberg when he steps down in 2024.

    This is what happens when the public gets frozen out of politics, when key appointments are made via backroom deals and horsetrading. You end up with the worst possible candidates, at the worst possible time. You end up with Ursula von der Leyen – a politician who has only ever failed upwards.

    1. Reg Parnell   2 years ago

      As fun as it is to kick around the EU, that woman is Winston Churchill and Konrad Adenaeur rolled into one compared to Kamala Harris. So, I think Americans need to maybe sit this one out considering our current leadership.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Oh, I like to kick Ms. van der Leyen around since she's one of the ones who thinks we need to curtail 1A and kowtow to her management class. Fuck her and the rest of the technocrats there and here.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      The political career of Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, has been defined by bungling and incompetence. She is deeply unpopular with voters, distrusted by colleagues and has regularly been mired in scandals. And yet, somehow, she manages to keep rising up the ranks of international politics.

      IOW, the Kathleen Kennedy of the EU.

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Maybe she attended some spirit cooking dinners.

  14. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    What a surprise!

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_b27550d6-1b32-11ee-91a1-e346d6a7fc0b.html

    Gallup released the poll that found that only 31% of surveyed Americans say they have confidence in the U.S. government. That is down from 46% who said the same in 2020.

    “Declining domestic confidence in the U.S. government has occurred alongside declining approval ratings on the world stage,” Gallup wrote. “Median global approval of U.S. leadership slipped to 41% in 2022, down from 45% in 2021 during Biden’s first year in office.”

    Of all the G7 nations, the U.S. has the lowest level of faith in its government among the population. The U.K. is second lowest at 33%, and Germany is the highest at 61%.

  15. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Call it "Independence Day", not just the "Fourth of July".

    https://www.illinoispolicy.org/call-it-independence-day-the-meaning-matters-2/

    We too often call it the “Fourth of July” and lose sight of its true meaning – independence. Independence from tyranny and the freedom to pursue life, liberty and happiness.

    America’s founding unleashed the greatest leap forward in human history. From this leap, liberty and prosperity followed – and not just material prosperity, but also prosperity of the human spirit. After all, that is what happiness is all about; not some transitory joy over a good joke or an amusing moment in life.

    And finally, Independence Day is a day to be celebrated, not as “July Fourth” but as the anniversary of the day when the Founding Fathers declared to the world and to the crown that the individual is sovereign – not the king or the state. It never goes out of favor to remind the world that we are free, independent, sovereign beings. To do so, let’s bring back the term Independence Day and not treat this day as just another number on a calendar signifying a day off from work.

    1. Nardz   2 years ago

      But the federal government in DC is far more oppressive, and less representative, than the British crown was.

      1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

        It is, by far. Anyone who reads the indictment clauses in the Declaration of Independence can't help but be struck with how quaint most of the indictments are.

        1. Nardz   2 years ago

          The founders would be ashamed of what we've become

      2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        When are you taking up arms against it?

        1. Cyto   2 years ago

          You really think you are one of the "us"?

          Why the "what are you gonna do about it, punk!" chest thumping? The boot is on your neck, just like the rest of us...

          1. R Mac   2 years ago

            Sarc will consistently and loudly bash all police officers for being thugs, except when they’re being thugs to his political enemies.

    2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      First I ever heard of that. Oh wait.

      https://reason.com/2023/07/04/crispr-tech-could-bring-cheaper-beef-to-your-july-4-cookout/?comments=true#comment-10138648

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      I have started calling it 'insurrection' day

  16. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/1676569042327334913?t=opjrgrgUSjW_NobdEnv33Q&s=19

    People only fly the flags of things they endorse. If they fly the Algerian flag and not the French flag, that should tell you everything you need to know.

    [Link]

    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      Same with every pseudo flag flown in the US; especially last month.

      1. R Mac   2 years ago (edited)

        No, this is a much bigger deal. This is an actual armed occupation of large areas of multiple cities by foreigners.

        1. Nardz   2 years ago

          I don't know.
          I think the Progress Flag (which I believe is the pride flag with the bipoc/tranny triangle added) flying over government buildings, especially the Whitehouse, is as bad or worse.
          The rioter takeover of Paris is likely temporary.
          The globohomo conquest of Americans is not.

          1. R Mac   2 years ago

            Obviously it’s subjective, so agree to disagree which is a bigger deal.

            But I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not temporary. History is full of examples of foreigners invading countries and keeping certain parts of the country. Especially Muslims. There’s no rule that current borders of Europe can’t change.

            1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

              Shame on you. Unlimited immigration from the third world is only a positive thing, and diversity is our strength.

              The French need to check their privilege and submit to the culture their betters, aka the rioters.

        2. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

          My comment was intended to show where loyalties lie.

          The flags flown in the US capture loyalties perfectly. Including the Biden admin

          1. R Mac   2 years ago

            Fair enough, but are they loyal to the lgbtqdhrjdj movement, or just see them as useful pawns?

            1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

              I see what you are getting at. They are useful pawns to the Machine, but the pawns are loyal to their made up victimhood flags.

              Same goes for the climate change cultists. The Machine uses them and they can't even see it.

    2. R Mac   2 years ago

      Truly amazing.

  17. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Yes, the U.S. is exceptional.

    https://nypost.com/2023/07/04/america-is-exceptional-so-let-her-freedom-ring/

    I arrived in the United States as a child from Cuba, and immediately realized things were different here.

    The rules of social life were understood and internalized. Beyond that, it was up to you. The American people seemed to have freedom in their bones, in their DNA: so deep that they didn’t even notice.

    Is there such a thing as American exceptionalism?

    When asked that question, Barack Obama once replied, “I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect the Brits believe in British exceptionalism, and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.”

    As often happened with Obama, he was both glib and wrong.

    Actually, each country is not exceptional in its own way and doesn’t deserve a little trophy just for being there.

    The US stands apart.

    And it isn’t so much who we are that separates us from other nations as the path that brought us here.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      "American Exceptionalism" was a popular term during the Reign of the Bushpigs. It means the rules don't apply to the USA.

      Want to invade Iraq for no good reason? American Exceptionalism.

      Want to torture POWs in black sites? American Exceptionalism.

      Want to spy on your citizens? American Exceptionalism.

      The GOP perfected American Exceptionalism.

      Now you know.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Considering that you are a neocon yourself, you sound a bit defensive regarding the "Bushpigs". BTW, that was not, and is not what "American Exceptionalism" was and is about. Again, you read the stories I post about as well as you read your own, retard.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          I'm not a neocon, you moron. I opposed the Iraq War when all your Bush-Loving GOP brethren were here defending it (like John).

          And your little link was filled with platitudes. Sure, the US has improved. But so have other countries.

          1. Sevo   2 years ago

            Remember that turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
            turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            I’m not a neocon, you moron.

            LOL, yeah, that's why you promote articles from The Bulwark now.

          3. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            And in that little statement, "Sure, the US has improved. But so have other countries.", you show yourself to be no different than Obama, a warpig and a neocon who loved to post articles from "publications" like The Bulwark.

            Your mask dropped long ago, warpig.

      2. Sevo   2 years ago

        turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled asshole and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      3. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

        The dems have their fingerprints all over those issues dude.

      4. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        “American Exceptionalism” was a popular term during the Reign of the Bushpigs. It means the rules don’t apply to the USA.

        "American Exceptionalism" has been a concept going back to the Founders, you hicklib pederast. Whether you agree with the term or not is immaterial.

        And history shows us that any nation which starts to hyper-criticize itself doesn't last for very long.

      5. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

        Nobody gives a fuck what it meant to the “bushpigs”, you fucking moron. What it should mean, unless you are a self loathing left wing idiot like yourself, can be summed up by MC hammer:

        “You can’t touch this”.

    2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

      and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.

      This got a chuckle out of me. When asked to comment, it was discovered that the majority of the Greek government were all out on their 12 week vacation from their 30 hour work-week. They will chime in when they get back to the office.

  18. Knutsack   2 years ago

    "...the country's most prominent newspapers..."

    It seems like a certain part of the country considers them prominent. Another part seems to consider them punching bags.

    1. Nardz   2 years ago

      Which is why I chuckle at people who scoff at Twitter links.
      It's not a reputable source, not like the new York times or Washington post or fox news...

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Does prominent mean obsolete now?

    3. R Mac   2 years ago

      They’re the prominent propagandists.

  19. (Impeach Biden) Weigel's Cock Ring   2 years ago

    Remember just a couple of short years ago when Reason's official position was "the government-social media censorship partnership regime is probably just another fake right-wing conspiracy theory, and even if it isn't so what because muh private companies"?

    It's amazing how often this same cycle keeps repeating itself over and over again: Reason initially falls for all the government/media left wing propaganda and bullshit, they take the wrong side of the issue, it eventually gets conclusively proven that what they said was right was wrong and vice versa, and then in the end they gaslight us all by simply pretending that they never said all the shit we all clearly remember them saying and that they were actually on the right side of the issue along.

    The TLDR version: you are a bunch of clowns, you were wrong again as you usually are these days, and you have no credibility whatsoever.

    1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      "Reason initially falls for all the government/media left wing propaganda and bullshit, they take the wrong side of the issue"

      As with all things, the people that fall for it are the ones who want it to be true, because it aligns with their politics.

      Didn't Welchie mention something of a Red Wedding for conservatives? This is a leftist site that's about 5% libertarian

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        Why yes, yes he did.

        https://twitter.com/mattwelch/status/1102654202545913857?s=12

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Matt Welch, March 4, 2019:
          Now would be a good time to throw a big cocktail party in New York or Washington, and invite every single conservative writer you know. #RedWedding2

      2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        And yet you don’t value your own time enough to not spend time here.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Speak for yourself there, kettle.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            Shorter ICP: "No you!"

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago (edited)

              Is that a white knight in your pocket, or are you just pissy to see me?

              1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                You should back off the lead-based clown makeup from China.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                  Did I disturb you from finishing off that 40 in one gulp?

                  1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                    Tomorrow I'll be sober, and you'll still have lead poisoning.

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      As if.

                    2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      I'm serious. Lead poisoning is permanent. Should have thought of that before you got a deal on your clown makeup.

    2. Reg Parnell   2 years ago

      Reason doesn't fall for the propaganda bullshit. It actively helps create and disseminate it. Don't portray reason as victims here. They are willing participants.

  20. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    But give ChatGPT enough information about the abuses and usurpations of a foreign king and it will eventually join the revolutionary cause...

    So which president as a child is ChatGPT going to send its T1000 back in time to eliminate?

  21. Honest Economics   2 years ago

    For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/

  22. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    America is "living on borrowed money" and the country's fiscal arrangement is "increasingly unsustainable," warns The New York Times' editorial board.

    That editorial board is full of white supremacy.

    1. Anomalous   2 years ago

      It's so bad even the NYT noticed.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

        When there is no money for reparations, they will be left advocating for the beneficiaries of slavery to "work off the debt" through service. Since such service is unlikely to be voluntarily performed, they might have to pass a new amendment to the Constitution repealing the 13th.

  23. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Chilling revelations.

    https://nypost.com/2023/07/04/chilling-revelations-on-the-rise-of-feds-orwellian-speech-police/

    Imagine an America where the feds surge actual speech police wherever chatter on social media questions the integrity of the vote — speech police who then take to the airwaves to attack those making the claims.

    If this sounds far-fetched, consider that last summer a national-security agency actually mulled the idea of deploying a “rapid response team” to local jurisdictions to help election officials fend off “mis-, dis- and mal-information” (MDM)-related “threats,” including through communications — an idea one federal official called “fascinating.”

    That revelation comes from a new report from the House Weaponization Subcommittee on a little-known Homeland Security sub-agency called the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency.

    And it was followed Tuesday by a blockbuster preliminary injunction from a federal judge barring contact between Team Biden and social-media companies, who cited evidence of a “massive effort” by the White House and federal agencies to “suppress speech based on its content.”

    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      Injunction ignored; and nothing else happened.

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      half the country supports this and wants more of it.

      There's no fixing this.

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        There is, it's just not nice

  24. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    President Joe Biden needs a serious primary challenger.

    Suddenly a Kennedy isn't a real comer.

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      stammered through The Jacket's first question.

  25. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    "President Joe Biden needs a serious primary challenger."

    Biden's past his prime, he was never impressive back in the day, and he deserves his low approval rating.

    But really, how often does an incumbent Prez not even get his own party's nomination? LBJ had Vietnam weighing him down. I don't like Biden's proxy war with Russia but until he sends American soldiers to die for Ukraine, they're not the same.

    Seems like only a health scare would convince the party establishment not to let him run in 2024.

    1. Reg Parnell   2 years ago

      The problem is the Democrats have no one to run against him. RFK Jr is it and the establishment hates his guts. Who else is going to run? Newsome? Are they going to dig up Hillary?

      I thought for a long time that Biden would be dead in a year or two and that there was no way he would run again in 24. I think I was wrong about that. They are going with Biden and Harris. He is literally all they have.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago (edited)

        US voters will choose between a senile old fuck and a convicted felon Con man liar.

        Thank the parties. Neither can find a suitable candidate.

        1. Reg Parnell   2 years ago

          You will vote for Biden for no other reason than because he fucked his daughter and you love that. Stop pretending you are anything other than the sick fuck you are.

        2. Sevo   2 years ago

          turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
          turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

        3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

          US voters will choose between a senile old fuck and a convicted felon Con man liar.

          US voters will choose between a Bolshevik warmonger going senile and a chamber of commerce republican peacemonger with a brash twitter feed

          Fixed it for you.

      2. Nardz   2 years ago

        They've suffered no negative consequences for installing Biden, so he's still a useful prop.
        Newsom is their future, but it's difficult to get him on the 24 ticket. The optics of skipping Kamala for a Biden replacement are a bit awkward at this point.

        1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

          If they skip Kackles for a white guy, the only people who will mention the hypocrisy will be the GOP. The establishment media won't make a peep.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            I suspect Kamala's only in there because promises were made to her that she would be in such a high position to begin with, especially after Tulsi nuked her candidacy. And she's crippled by the fact that she's as unliked as Dan Quayle was during Bush I's presidency. Any supposed redeeming qualities with her are entirely superficial and are centered on her skin color and vag.

            Newsom is FAR better at working the media and has their full-throated support. As long as Biden doesn't trip and fall on his head, he'll be the nominee in 2028 as a reward for being a good soldier and not undercutting the senile retard.

            Newsom's main problem isn't necessarily that he can't win--the blue city fraud machines will go into overtime to ensure he wins the swing states--it's that he embodies everything that people in red areas despise about California. If he isn't the target of multiple assassination attempts, and I'm talking actual pot shots, not retards sending baking soda in an envelope or crazy men trying to jump the White House fence, then red states are liable to simply tell him to fuck off with whatever Cali-inspired bullshit he manages to get through Congress. His presidency is honestly far more likely to kick off a civil war than even a DeSantis or Trump presidency, because he'll have the full force of the bureaucracy behind him and will inevitably do something out of sheer arrogance to motivate red states to simply say, "we're not even going to bother going through the courts on this one. We're going to flat-out ignore you, and anything you try to do in response will result in aggressive resistance."

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

              Newsom's only real potential rivals are the Gay Mafia of Buttigieg and Polis. The former has been a disaster as Secretary of Transportation, while the latter is basically a 2000s-era leftist who's not quite as retarded as his Democratic colleagues in the Mass Shooting State, has a deep understanding of how to use the internet and digital media in political campaigns (he wrote his college thesis on the subject), and would probably sail to victory if he got the nomination. Klobuchar and Warren might try running again, and AOC is definitely chomping her donkey teeth at the chance to do so as well, but they're all way too unlikeable to beat out Newsom or Polis in a primary.

        2. MK Ultra   2 years ago

          Since she so loves yellow school buses and Venn diagrams, negotiate to put her in charge of the Teacher's Union, with a large signing bonus and book deal.

    2. Kungpowderfinger   2 years ago

      Seems like only a health scare would convince the party establishment not to let him run in 2024.

      Like with Fetterman?

      The party establishment knows that loyal, obedient Democrats will vote for whomever they’re told to.

  26. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Fitting this came on Independence Day.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/judge-bars-biden-officials-agencies-contacting-social-media-companies

    In an order fittingly issued on Independence Day, a federal judge in Louisiana has forbidden multiple federal agencies and named officials from having any contact with social media companies with the intent to moderate content.

    The preliminary injunction arises from a suit filed by the states of Missouri and Louisiana, along with individuals that include two leading critics of the Covid-19 lockdown regime -- Harvard's Martin Kulldorff and Stanford's Jay Bhattacharya -- and Jim Hoft, who owns the right-wing website Gateway Pundit.

    “If the allegations made by plaintiffs are true, the present case arguably involves the most massive attack against free speech in United States’ history,” wrote US District Judge Terry A. Doughty. “The plaintiffs are likely to succeed on the merits in establishing that the government has used its power to silence the opposition.”

    The dozens of people and agencies bound by the injunction include President Biden, White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre, the Food and Drug Administration, Centers for Disease Control, the Treasury Department, State Department, the US Election Assistance Commission, the FBI and entire Justice Department, and the Department of Health and Human Services.

    "The evidence thus far depicts an almost dystopian scenario," wrote Doughty in a 155-page ruling. "During the COVID-19 pandemic, a period perhaps best characterized by widespread doubt and uncertainty, the United States Government seems to have assumed a role similar to an Orwellian 'Ministry of Truth'."

    "The White House defendants made it very clear to social-media companies what they wanted suppressed and what they wanted amplified," wrote Doughty. "Faced with unrelenting pressure from the most powerful office in the world, the social-media companies apparently complied."

    "If there is a bedrock principal underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable," wrote Doughty.

  27. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    More than 300,000 UPS workers could go on strike later this month, potentially disrupting crucial parts of many supply chains.

    USPS, it's your time to shine!

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Don't make me laugh. Those idiots can't even deliver a letter to the correct address properly.

    2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

      So, they are predicting brown-outs this summer?

  28. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Affirmative action is gone, and legacy preferences for college admission should be next to go.

    So I guess America can't even have an aristocracy.

  29. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Ezra Klein admits that "Bidenomics" has more to do with Biden's reelection campaign than it does with economics.

    Man, the rats sure are taking a bite out of the captain's ankles on their way off the ship.

    1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      They want to have the tiniest semblance of reporting on the truth after tshit goes down, so they are ever so briefly officially admitting that in fact our eyes were not completely lying to us, and grass is green, water wet.

      So brave

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      admits

      That's almost as bad as Reason's article where it "turned out" Biden's spending is kinda outta control.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        Ceaseless quibbling.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Accurate predictions for anyone who read his fucking campaign site or listened to him speak. Keep defending your gaslighting for years Mike.

        2. R Mac   2 years ago

          Ceaseless defense of the left.

  30. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    America is "living on borrowed money" and the country's fiscal arrangement is "increasingly unsustainable," warns The New York Times' editorial board.

    Since the NYT is wrong about everything, that must mean the federal government really has a balanced budget! What a relief!

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      As well as that NYT article that questioned transgender care.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        That article can't possibly exist because it goes against the narrative about the publication. Stop making stuff up.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          Absolutely, this article does not exist:

          https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/15/magazine/gender-therapy.html

          And the New York Times didn't have progressives criticizing them for publishiing it, and didn't have 200 of their own contributors sign a letter of complaint because they published it.

  31. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/AetiusRF/status/1676567387858956288?t=ECDf3oe-yYjGXh8x4AUhKA&s=19

    Just a reminder Rose was the villain of Titanic. She faked her own death causing her mother anguish, robbed a man of his priceless necklace leading to his suicide, and denied her family millions by dropped the necklace into the sea to romanticize about the homeless guy she banged

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      And cheated on her fiancé

  32. Wearenotperfect   2 years ago

    Does this mean I can scream FIRE in a movie theater?

    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      You've always been able to scream FIRE in a movie theater. What's stopping you?

  33. sarcasmic   2 years ago

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12264981/Shocking-video-shows-LA-officers-slamming-woman-ground-pepper-spraying-FACE.html

    Shocking moment LA cops slam woman to the ground and pepper spray her for filming them during an arrest when responding to a grocery store robbery
    Police bodycam captured the incident at a WinCo store in Lancaster, about 73 miles north of Los Angeles
    A man and a woman were being apprehended outside the store over accusations of shoplifting
    Cops then approached a woman who was filming the arrest on her phone and threatened to punch her in the face after pepper spraying her

    "The Supreme Court says it's not illegal to record the police. Now let's see them enforce their ruling. Haaa ha ha ha ha! Fuck you and the Constitution too!"
    -Every police officer in the United States

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      If they were shoplifting, they deserved it.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

        The person assaulted for lawfully recording the police was not shoplifting. Read it again.

        1. Dillinger   2 years ago

          QI because she wasn't wearing socks and there's no precedent for punching a sockless chick in the face while recording police yada ...

        2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

          Yu told ABC7. 'She's not an innocent bystander. She's involved. She's detained in this robbery investigation.'

          Oops.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            Sounds like the bitch was acting as a lookout, and started filming when her fellow thieves got caught.

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              You still drunk from last night?

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                Speaking from experience?

            2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago (edited)

              I appreciate that Sarcasmic reveals just how disingenuous he is when responding to comments he can’t see with faux outrage. Above, he wrote…

              Being that neither of them are capable of saying a single truthful statement, it’s best to keep them on mute.

              …below a comment questioning his narrative by providing historical examples counter to his claim. Here, he responds with insult to a comment related to a direct quote from the article he linked that contradicts his implied position that the arrest was retaliatory for filming.

              His standard tactics of deflection and distraction are pointless in the absence of counterargument. All that remains is the absurd positioning thrown out to troll those he perceives as enemies and endless accusations of some coordinated effort to misrepresent his trolling; more eloquently put, “a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

              1. R Mac   2 years ago

                It’s sad but true: we broke sarc.

          2. EscherEnigma   2 years ago

            Yeah... that's the lawyer for the cops talking, not an official statement. You should, at the very least, be skeptical.

          3. markm23   2 years ago

            Are the police compounding their crime with a false arrest?

  34. Sevo   2 years ago

    CA legislator makes public ass of himself:

    "Californians can now sue gunmakers"
    [...]
    "Assembly Bill 1594 allows private citizens to file civil lawsuits against the gun industry for the manufacturing or sale of illegal firearms — including assault rifles — in California. It also tightens restrictions on advertising and marketing of guns and gun parts in the state. The National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the gun industry, is currently challenging the law in the Southern District of California."
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-california-laws-gunmaker-lawsuits-retail-theft-crackdown-sealed-criminal-records/ar-AA1dnE6w

    1. Idaho Bob   2 years ago

      I want all gun manufacturers to pull a Ronnie Barrett in California. Stop selling and maintaining all guns intended for law enforcement.

  35. TJJ2000   2 years ago (edited)

    States attempt to save the USA from the [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] in D.C.
    This nation might be saved after all; KEEP GOING!

  36. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    *huff*

    Okayyyyy, I guess it happened.

  37. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>banned from "meeting with social-media companies for the purpose of urging, encouraging ...

    uh, the purpose of the meeting was dinner. conversations necessarily were had.

  38. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>As Soave reported in January:

    Taibbi?

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Whats more sad is the earliest article they could find regarding the issue was this year.

  39. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>President Joe Biden needs a serious primary challenger.

    seems "serious primary challenger" is like #792 on Brandon's Need List

  40. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    • President Joe Biden needs a serious primary challenger.

    *sigh*

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      n the middle of the last century, prizefighters who weren’t fighting frequently enough to keep sharp would schedule tuneup matches with capable boxers to shake the ring rust out of their form. Their managers wouldn’t pick palookas or chumps but boxers who could challenge their guy in a way that would reveal his weaknesses and indicate what part of his game needed more training.

      President Joe Biden needs a tuneup. He’s a stiff when speaking at the lectern. When not a stiff, the 80-year-old can be a dolt, saying, as he did this week, that Russian President Vladimir Putin is “losing the war in Iraq” when he meant Ukraine, or blurting out a senseless, “God save the Queen, man,” at a gun control rally last week.

      Wait, is this article for fucking real? These first two paragraphs essentially say:

      Biden is a championship, top level boxer. But he's just a little rusty, so we need a Palooka who can get in the ring for an exhibition match helping him refine a few weak areas and "train him up".

      So I'm not sure who I'm more annoyed at, here. Politico for essentially sticking hard with the incompetent neocon in steep cognitive decline, or Reason for making it sound like someone out in establishment-media-land was actually saying that we need someone serious we can vote for, instead of what the article suggests.

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        somebody typed the Brandon needs a tuneup paragraph for public display?

      2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        There’s no link to whomever you are quoting.

        1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

          Cite?

        2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

          It's Reason's top 'quick hits' link which was the message I replied to.

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            Got it. Sorry.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Fuck off sea lion.

            2. R Mac   2 years ago

              Dee, you bitch!

  41. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/myth_pilot/status/1676610768047841281?t=fR_bDMiAMxl8anTFZa_RtA&s=19

    GM. There are updates on the Douglass Mackey AKA Ricky Vaughn case. He goes to appeals in August.

    I wrote a piece that, for the first time, gives a window into his trial in March.

    The justice abuses that occurred in this case are outrageous. Summarized below /thread/

    1. Douglass Mackey was accused of participating in conspiracy based on conversations that occurred in group chats where he wasn’t even a member. "Conspiracy" was proven based on conversations he didn't have: the key witness claimed they had a "silent conspiracy" together.

    2. The prosecution’s key witness (Microchip) was charged with a crime by the same investigative team supporting the prosecution. He was then told that a “letter of recommendation” would depend on his performance as a witness against Douglass Mackey.

    3. The key witness changed his story after being charged by the feds. First he said that the memes in question were not intended to trick or prevent anyone from voting. Much later, after being charged, he “remembered” differently.

    4. Despite the fact that Doug didn’t reside there, and no activity related to the case occurred there, the E District of New York was chosen as the venue based on the argument that the fiber optic cables carrying his tweets passed through Brooklyn en-route to Twitter’s servers.

    These outrages are just scratching the surface of what took place during this trial. You need to read the whole thing to understand how they railroaded Douglass Mackey, and what it means for YOU.

    Basically, this verdict means that anyone (including you) could be found criminally liable for "conspiracy" if the authorities can find someone to claim you had a "silent conspiracy" together, even if you never discussed the matter together. This is where we're at.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Same silent conspiracy construction they used for the Proud Boys.

  42. Sevo   2 years ago

    "...and then took a "quantum leap" forward during the Biden administration, The Washington Post reports."

    1) They ignored Trump; Biden is happy with what they're doing.
    2) When you've lost WaPo...

  43. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    Federal Judge to Biden Administration: Stop Telling Social Media Sites To Limit Free Speech

    Absolutely fantastic. Thank god for Trump

    1. Sevo   2 years ago (edited)

      Wrong place

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        this was a trump appointed judge

  44. Sevo   2 years ago

    Imagine it is still 2019. Imagine cocaine was found in the WH.
    Imagine the media response.
    Droolin’ Joe is now POTUS; why, look over there….

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Shit, we'd never hear the end of it. Now, we hear crickets.

  45. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    “Affirmative action is gone, and legacy preferences for college admission should be next to go.”

    Private universities should be able to do whatever they want.

    Public universities should have to abide by the no discrimination rules, as with all public services. (which should all be eliminated of course but since they exist they should at least not discriminate between the citizens that pay for them)

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      if past experience is the workaround why is the experience as a potential legacy admit any less heavy than the experience as a potential race admit?

  46. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>ChatGPT: I apologize for the repeated suggestion to engage with elected representatives, as it may not be applicable in this particular context

    why is it apologizing?

  47. Fetterman's Hump   2 years ago

    Is there any punishment for violating the constitution? Is suppression of free speech a violation of the muted speaker's civil rights?

    Without punishment, it will continue.

  48. MWAocdoc   2 years ago

    Sorry, but "whether the government ... violated the First Amendment" is NOT a complex issue for courts to decide if the judges serving on those courts are committed to upholding and defending the Constitution of the United States of America! It is precisely the combination of threats from Federal government to "regulate" (i.e. punish) media platforms with close working relationships with, and "suggestions" from, government officials about what speech to suppress that makes it a violation. Although it may be disappointing to the author, it should not be surprising to anyone that the "newspapers of record" would throw social media under the bus in their editorial pages with this issue as an excuse. Anyone who continues to believe that the editors of major newspapers are unbiased in their reporting and social agenda at this point is too far gone to redeem.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

      That’s the thing. If you go by the First Amendment, it is NOT a complex issue — but the other way around. Federal employees are people and free American citizens, and therefore, according to the First Amendment, have a right to communicate with social media companies, including suggestions and requests.

      It is because the First Amendment doesn’t prohibit Federal employees interfering in social media moderation that the right solution would be to pass a law forbiding Federal employees (and contractors) from engaging in such interference.

      The Republican-dominated House passed a bill do just that (H.R. 140) on 3/9/2023 and nothing has happened with the bill in the Senate. Why?

      By the way, even if Congress passes a bill like H.R. 140, it still leaves the sticky issue of what to do with elected Federal officials. If you go by the First Amendment, it backs up their right to communicate with social media companies, and possibly even their right to engage in jawboning or even more overt threats.

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        Federal employees are people and free American citizens, and therefore, according to the First Amendment, have a right to communicate with social media companies, including suggestions and requests.

        NOT in their capacity as a federal employee. Clearly not.

        I'd like to see these same people make an anonymous account on Twitter and then submit complaints about the content. They will get nowhere.

        As the "sub secretary of the BLAH BLAH commission" they get traction. That's the part where, you know, they are actively working to suppress hte free speech of the citizens they work for.

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

          White Mike lacks the capacity to understand what it means to be an agent. A person acting on of behalf of others and with the authority to represent their collective will. Courts do.

          Censorship of free speech by the federal government is prohibited by the Constitution and by the States and their subsidiaries as incorporated by the 14th amendment. A government agency requesting a takedown or block without a specific court order is in violation. This is well established.

          The takeaway here is that Joe Friday, on behalf of the FBI, has no authority to make such a request and Joe Friday, as an individual citizen, has no authority to enforce such a request. How then did it happen that every social media company capitulated to such "requests and suggestions" from Joe Friday, individual citizen, who just happens to work for the FBI? White Mike is a fucking idiot.

          1. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

            Speaking of Joe Friday, remember when Mike had a sock with that name?

      2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

        Least libertarian view of the 1a ever. But aligns perfectly with the democrats view. Interesting.

      3. Dillinger   2 years ago

        >>Federal employees are people and free American citizens, and therefore, according to the First Amendment, have a right to communicate with social media companies, including suggestions and requests.

        good god, no. no. no. and no.

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          A reply of more substance?

          1. Dillinger   2 years ago

            jeff-level disingenuous asserting the federal employees were merely suggesting and requesting. the rest is rendered nonsense.

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              Oh, that’s your quibble. The problem is the First Amendment even protects certain kinds of veiled threats.

              Please give an example where you think a Federal employee went so far it was clearly not speech protected by the First Amendment.

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                You mean the Twitter files? The berenson lawsuit?

                You aren't a libertarian Mike. Youre a state loving Democrat.

          2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

            Anthony Fauci, as director of NIAID, has no authority to make a takedown request and Anthony Fauci, as an individual citizen, has no authority to enforce a takedown request. Nor do any employees of NIAID, the FBI, or any other agency.

            When a social media company is responsive to a government agency's suggestions for the removal or blocking of the content of tens of thousands of its subscribers, they are responding to a government agency and not to individual citizens. It makes no difference that a private entity is facilitating the infringement. It is still an infringement by the government.

  49. Cyto   2 years ago

    Serious question to the editors of Reason:

    Why is the Doug Mackey case not a cause celeb at Reason? This case has everything a libertarian activist should be exercised about.

    A purely political prosecution, coersed witnesses, nebulous "conspiracy" charges involving people who never actually had any conversations on the topic, a choice of venue chosen for a friendly judge and jury having absolutely zero connection to the case in any way, and egregious sentencing having no relation to the seriousness of the alleged crime.

    We have seen some cursory coverage, but this should be getting Treyvon Martin level coverage.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      you know why.

      he's on the wrong team. Reason magazine has been hollowed out by proggies and they are wearing it like a skinsuit

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        props for the gratis forum though. end transmission.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

      If Koch doesn't want them to report on egregious assaults on liberty by the Biden regime we get a story about food trucks or evil Republicans denying gender affirming care to 12 year old kids.

  50. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

    Western Europe is committing economic suicide through open borders and climate change hysteria and NATO hegemony fantasy. We are close behind. The global south is rising while the first world devolves into the third world.

  51. Liberty Lover   2 years ago

    Sounds like the little red headed liar Jen was the main threatener in chief!

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