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Supreme Court Could Rein In Administrative State With New Case

Plus: Divides over misinformation, on free markets and social justice, and more…

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 5.2.2023 9:30 AM

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Is everything not forbidden then permissible for federal agencies? That's the question at the heart of a legal battle that the Supreme Court on Monday agreed to hear—a case which could (hopefully!) curtail the power of the administrative state.

Does statutory silence—that is, nothing in a law saying yay or nay—on powers narrowly granted elsewhere mean that a federal agency has the authority to use those powers broadly? Or must explicit authority to act be granted by Congress? One would think (and hope) that it's the latter; otherwise, the power of federal bureaucrats is basically unchecked. Unsurprisingly, the government is essentially arguing the former.

The case is Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimando, and it concerns a National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) rule requiring fishing vessels to fund a federal monitoring program. Under the Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act, fishing boats must accommodate federal monitors, though the law says nothing about requiring boat owners to pay for them.

But the impact of this case goes way beyond fisheries. How the Court rules here could have major implications for federal regulations of all sorts.

That's because the court is set to take another look at Chevron v. Natural Resources Defense Council, a 1984 case setting a precedent of extreme deference to federal agencies in cases concerning the limits of their statutory authority.  The Chevron precedent "has been extensively used by the U.S. government in arguing environmental, financial and consumer protection cases," notes Robert Barnes at The Washington Post.

It's frequently cited by the government to justify regulations when the authority to pass said regulations is being challenged.

In the current case, the group challenging the NMFS rule is a coalition of New Jersey fishing firms. Their lawyer (and former solicitor general) Paul D. Clement told the Post that the Supreme Court's decision could not only "deliver justice to these fishermen but also…reconsider a doctrine that has enabled the widespread expansion of unchecked executive authority."

"It's the phrasing of the question presented…that is of particular interest," writes Case Western Reserve University law professor Jonathan Adler at The Volokh Conspiracy:

The petition for certiorari in Loper Bright presented two questions to the Court:

  1. Whether, under a proper application of Chevron, the MSA [Magnuson-Stevens Act] implicitly grants NMFS the power to force domestic vessels to pay the salaries of the monitors they must carry.
  2. Whether the Court should overrule Chevron or at least clarify that statutory silence concerning controversial powers expressly but narrowly granted elsewhere in the statute does not constitute an ambiguity requiring deference to the agency.

Of note, the Court only granted certiorari on the second question, meaning that the briefing and argument will focus on whether the Court should "overrule" or "clarify" Chevron v. NRDC. To say this is significant is an understatement.

The prospect of overruling Chevron already has legal commentators in a tizzy, but it is important to note that the question presented is not limited to whether the Court should overturn Chevron. The QP asks the Court, in the alternative, to limit Chevron—some would say, confine Chevron to its proper domain—by making clear that a statutory silence does not constitute the sort of ambiguity that justifies deference to the agency. Put another way, the QP asks the Court to reinforce the principle that agencies only have that authority Congress has actually delegated to them or, if you prefer, that a statute grants what it grants, and the rest is silence.

In recent years, the Court has not relied on Chevron when deciding cases, though the Chevron doctrine is still used regularly by lower courts.

Libertarians and conservatives have both been skeptical of this reliance.

"Courts deferring routinely to regulators' interpretation of the law encourages them to aggregate power to themselves while depriving harmed parties of effective judicial remedies," commented Iain Murray, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. "Natural justice and due process require a judiciary that is more involved in determining what the law says. Chevron deference should be overturned as a matter of regulatory hygiene."

Adler thinks the Court will not overturn the Chevron doctrine but is likely to narrow it, making "clear that statutory silences and ambiguities should not be construed as grants of agency authority."

"This is of a piece with…the elevation of the Major Questions doctrine," he points out. "This is a way to curtail the ability of agencies to aggrandize their power, but without destabilizing judicial review of agency action."


FREE MINDS 

Americans worry about misinformation but disagree about its causes. A new survey from the Associated Press–NORC Center for Public Affairs Research and Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights suggests that the vast majority of people are worried about the spread of misinformation. Some 93 percent of those surveyed said the spread of misinformation is a problem. But people were much more divided when asked where to place the blame:

About two-thirds of adults attribute responsibility for the spread of misinformation to U.S. politicians, social media companies, and their users. But nearly as many (58%) are holding the news media responsible as well. And when it comes to fixing the problem, 63% of adults say the news media has a great deal or quite a bit of responsibility to address the spread of misinformation.

More here.


FREE MARKETS 

Nick Cowen, a senior lecturer in the School of Social and Political Sciences at the U.K.'s University of Lincoln, talked to Aaron Ross Powell about the role of markets in delivering social justice. A sample:

I think when it comes to things like harm, what people on the left will draw a lot of attention to is the externalities of markets, so things like pollution which have bad impacts on people's well-being. I think a very current thing that's happening at the moment is the debate about what kind of energy we should be reliant on. Should we be relying on fossil fuels, nuclear power, or renewables?

When it comes to car driving, are we going to be using petrol or gasoline or moving over to electric? It's interesting because it matches up with some cultural conflicts, a bit of the culture wars. On that front, I tend to think that the basic thrust of what progressives are trying to achieve is actually quite right. There are a lot of externalities that come from our current reliance on fossil fuels. It's not just climate change. It's literally the urban environment that we're in.

There's a lot of social harms out there. What they slightly miss is the dynamic aspect of this, that these technologies themselves were at some point ways of solving other problems. We're not born into a world where externalities don't exist and then we just introduce them. We're always already in a position where we are engaging in activities that are beneficial to the immediate parties but have some impacts on people around them.

Normally, or at least hopefully, these individual actions are small enough that they don't require direct intervention. When the level of activity, say the amount of car usage rises enough, and suddenly, it's having visible effects on people's health. Also when technology changes such that it's possible to track that behavior, to track that activity, and there's new alternatives that come in, then it is time to transition. How does that transition happen? It is going to happen substantially through things like innovation and incentives coming out through commercial society. That's the way that I try and pitch our position.

As market liberals, we shouldn't be married to a particular set of institutions or set of technologies, regardless of whether they emerge thanks to the state or thanks to the market—or as is realistically the case—a combination of the two. We always have a lesson about the process by which we're going to move from a relatively worse position to a relatively better position. The other thing is that we're nearly always talking about relatively better positions, not ultimately the best position. We don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good in our political economy.

Listen to or read the whole interview here.


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• "At long last, the U.S. federal government will end the COVID-19 vaccine mandates for international travelers, federal workers, Head Start employees, and the healthcare industry," notes Reason's Robby Soave. "The mandates will expire on May 11, the date that President Joe Biden has designated as the formal end of the COVID-19 public health emergency."

• Pornhub blocks viewers in Utah.

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— Ben Winslow (@BenWinslow) May 1, 2023

• Minnesota lawmakers have approved a bill legalizing recreational marijuana use.

• "Mom influencer" Katie Sorensen has been convicted of filing a false police report after claiming—in a story that went viral—that strangers were trying to abduct her kids at a Michaels store.

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  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

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    @JACK is going to save us from what Twitter has become.

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      Baffling how angry ENB is that Musk, who is markedly more libertarian than the prior admin at Twitter was, is running Twitter.

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

        It's only baffling if you're still pretending ENB is a libertarian.

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          She took an online test saying she is the most libertarian to ever libertarian. Just like sarc. Just ignore her actual articles. Or in sarcs case his posting history.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            Be fair. ENB is a champion for legal sex work, and that makes her at least edgy if not libertarian among all her progressive friends.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              She is one upped though with liberals advocating for child sex work. She is no longer edgy.

              ENB would lose her shit if her beard hired a sex worker.

            2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

              This. It’s relative.

              These people live in deep blue enclaves working a blue profession surrounded by peers, friends and neighbors that are the bluest of the blue. They really are the most libertarian people that they know.

              Does that mean that they’re actually libertarian? No. But from their perspective they are.

              1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                It's like the difference between Mountain State Conservatives and New England Conservatives.

                1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                  Or Bible Belt Conservatives, might be a better analogy.

        2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

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      2. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

        ENB inadvertently enters the comment section.

        https://youtu.be/1PJmr4FEZgQ?t=233

        1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

          As she inadvertently dons a hazmat outfit so as to not allow any contagion traveling up through the keyboard to stick to her fingers.

          She is still washing John off them like some damned spot

      3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        Really? This is literally what ENB wrote above:

        Inside the scene at Bluesky, the possible Twitter replacement created by former CEO Jack Dorsey.

        Can you highlight for the class where this anger was expressed?

        1. damikesc   2 years ago

          Odd that she is so obsessed with Twitter alternatives since Musk took over Twitter.

          Probally a coincidence.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Don't show mike her tone towards Parler.

          2. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

            Surely this is not a new development, and we can find plenty of history in which she was pushing Gab and Parler in previous days, as an alternative to the censorious twitter.

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              She hasn't "pushed" any social media site.

          3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            obsessed

            Meaning she has written about the topic every now and then.

            1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

              At least once a week since Musk bought it is in your book every once in awhile?

            2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              How many times a week does she write about Instagram or Snapchat, Mike?

            3. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

              She has written about it multiple times, cited its state of disarray (not observed by basically anyone who actually uses it that isnt a lefty shill), and a how to on mastadon.

              Unlike the tranny shooting, where a deranged left wing tranny cult member shot up a bunch of Christians.

              See the difference Mike? When its something that could even possibly, even if by a stretch, make a right wing person look bad, she is all over it. When its bad behavior by the most sacred of cows, the tranny cult of the left wing, its crickets from her.

              You cant see the pattern because the view from underneath that pile of sand is obscured. Imagine seeing the stuff that comes from this lady who appears to look like a cat lady spinster and not being able to tell she's just a bog standard left wing shill.

              1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                OMG, a Reason writer wrote about a topic that your disapprove of multiple times, and didn’t write about your hobby horse topic!!!

              2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                Cite on ENB claiming Twitter is in “disarray”?

              3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                DON’T TALK ABOUT TWITTER ALTERNATIVES!

                (Also, we don’t like it when ENB links to Twitter!!!)

                1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  Are you okay? Is your reality crumbling?

        2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

          The lack of skeptical pejoratives with which she would normally assault a private interest working for free speech tells us:

          1) This is part of her ongoing howitzer fire on Twitter

          2) Jack Dorsey is her Pontius Pilate who will turn Musk's Twitter back over to the progs by the crucifixion of same, and, using the Holy Spear of Bluesky, will pierce the side of The King Of The News who will bleed users

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            Cite an example of ENB assaulting a private interest working for free speech with skeptical pejoratives?

            1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

              Now I have to put my money where my mouth is. Give me time to retrieve said examples

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

      I am Jack's swollen ego...

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        Hey, put that thing back in your pants.

  4. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Americans worry about misinformation but disagree about its causes.

    The biggest cause is Fatass Donnie falsely claiming that he really won the 2020 presidential election.

    1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

      Your party had a psychotic break after Clinton's humiliating loss. You #Resistance dorks spent years in a delusional fantasyland in which aaaaaaaactually Clinton really won! And Robert Mueller would uncover the smoking gun proving Trump had been a Kremlin asset since 1987 and was being blackmailed over a pee tape.

      Trump's sore loser routine is pathetic and disgraceful but don't pretend it happened in a vacuum.

      #DemsHaventAdmittedTheyLostSince1988

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        No one doubted that Hil-dog lost the vote count, Sandy.

        What was clear is that Russia aided Donnie with misinfo and internet shenanigans so that they could sew unrest into the US political fabric.

        And it worked.

        1. damikesc   2 years ago

          1) Yes, they did.
          2) No, they did not.

          Not.
          A.
          Leftist.

          I mean, you still buy into Russiagate AND you're into pedophilia --- you're a leftist.

          1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

            Nothing misinformation-y about a political candidate colluding with intelligence agencies to promote a completely false story about the rival candidate, then use the known fake story as the predicate to the surveil everyone in the campaign.

            Nope, $10,000 worth of barely literate troll ads are he problem.

            1. damikesc   2 years ago

              There was also a campaign using intel officials to lie about the contents of a laptop.

              1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                Laptop with dick-pics? Certainly would have changed the election!

                1. damikesc   2 years ago

                  Pedo, about 15% of Biden voters said it would have.

                  I do not get your obsession over Hunter's dick. He is over 14, so not your type.

                  1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                    [Childish insult], about 15% of Biden voters said it would have.

                    So, you are apparently referring to this tweet, and like Kyle Martinsen who tweeted it, misquoting the study:

                    https://twitter.com/KyleMartinsen_/status/1504485278601211909?s=20

                    The 16% was among Biden voters who were unaware of the FBI investigation.

                    1. damikesc   2 years ago

                      ...which is a lot of them. Feel free to cite the numbers you feel are more accurate.

                    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                      which is a lot of them

                      Which is entirely vague on your part. The truth is you cited statistics from a survey having no idea how many people your cited group amounts to. "A lot".

                    3. Quicktown Brix   2 years ago (edited)

                      Look at the questions asked by the Media Research Center poll where this claim originates and draw your own conclusions:

                      At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that evidence exists, including bank transactions the FBI is currently investigating, that directly links Joe Biden and his family to a corrupt financial arrangement between a Chinese company with connections to the Chinese Communist Party that was secretly intended to provide the Biden family with tens of millions of dollars in profits?”

                      At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that Joe Biden chose as his running mate and successor Kamala Harris, rated the most left wing Senator in America, even more leftist [than] Bernie Sanders, a self-described socialist?

                      At the time you cast your vote for president, did you know that the president {Trump] had negotiated three different peace agreements between Arab countries and Israel, something never done before, and for which he’s been nominated for three separate Nobel Peace Prizes?”

                    4. damikesc   2 years ago

                      Mike, where is your citation of the correct numbers?

                    5. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

                      “Mike, where is your citation of the correct numbers?”

                      Burden of proof isn’t on me. I’m not the one making claims of having statistical knowledge of how many Biden voters would have change their vote if those intel officials hadn’t signed that letter.

                    6. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

                      QB, holy crap those questions are biased!

                    7. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      So your dismissal despite multiple polls is buttressed by your own biases?

                2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                  "Laptop with dick-pics?"

                  "NOOOOOO, DON'T LOOK AT THE INCRIMINATING EMAILS, LOOK AT THE HOOKERS AND BLOW INSTEAD!!!!! YOU CAN SEE HIS PENIS! HIS PENIS!....
                  NOOOOOO! I SAID DON'T LOOK AT THE EMAILS!!!!"

          2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            Hil-Dog conceded the next day, you moron. Fatass Donnie is still bitching that he got cheated like the little bitch he is.

            And the GOP Senate conceded Russia interfered in the 2016 election.

            You are poorly informed by your wingnut sources.

            1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

              1) You're a pedophile. Eat shit and die.

              2) She formally conceded, then bitched about how the election was stolen it for the next six years, while the same people who colluded with her campaign to frame Trump then spent the four years trying to put him, his entire family, and everyone in his cabinet in prison for made up crimes.

            2. damikesc   2 years ago

              Pedophile, show some respect for people better than you. Which is damned near everybody, pedo-boy.

              Russiagate was debunked. Only morons, leftists, and pedos --- you know, YOU --- buy into it.

              1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                I think you mean partially debunked:

                https://reason.com/2023/05/02/supreme-court-could-rein-in-administrative-state-with-new-case/?comments=true#comment-10043438

                1. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

                  No, it was debunked. It's sad watching people try to hang on to such obvious false narratives.

                2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                  Every bit of it was debunked, Mike.
                  You and Shrike were peddling lies, and the senate report was worth about as much as used toilet paper, because every source for it turned out to be criminally fraudulent.

            3. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

              Hil-Dog conceded the next day,
              Liar, she was passed out in her own vomit and Podesta had to concede. She has yet to concede.

            4. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

              "Hil-Dog conceded the next day"

              And then she and her obedient media apparatus spent every resource and all of their time making "RUSSIA!!!" and muller the central focus for the next 4 years.

              Yup, nothing says conceding an election like 4 years of "this president is illegitimate, and Russia meddled in the election". Absolutely standard operating procedure for conceding a loss. Definitely not a mix of cope and accusation of cheating.

              1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                And then she and her obedient media apparatus spent every resource and all of their time making “RUSSIA!!!” and muller the central focus for the next 4 years.

                Uh huh. Sure. Never mind the two impeachments of President Trump were over other matters, having nothing to do with Russiagate.

                1. damikesc   2 years ago

                  Yup, Russia was NEVER brought up during Trump's presidency.

                  1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                    Do you ever follow the logic of a conversation?

                    Mike Parsons wrote "all of their time". I was disputing that claim.

                    1. damikesc   2 years ago

                      Did you miss the YEARS of non-stop coverage of it? Remember Maddow nearly crying when she learned that it was nothing?

                    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                      As I’ve said here before, I was extremely busy with work for the first couple of years of Trump’s presidency and did miss a lot the news back then. I also dropped out of hanging out here, and was shocked when I returned that the Reason commentariat had been invaded by MAGA assholes.

                    3. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      Cite on MAGA assholes? Oh wait. Youre free to use epitaph with no citations. Just don't call you a retarded leftist fuck.

                2. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

                  Um, this retort actually works against your position more than it works for your position when you consider that the left demanded to the impeachment of Trump even before he took office.

                  1. Super Scary   2 years ago

                    It's purely a coincidence that as soon as Trump was elected all those new agencies felt the need to remind the public about impeachments and the 25th amendment.

                3. Super Scary   2 years ago

                  Man, you're really phoning it in today. Take the day off or something, you're posting like an idiot today. Well, more so than normal.

                  1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                    May Day seems to be the day that Sarc and Mike give up pretending to be neutral observers of the political parties.

                4. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                  "Never mind the two impeachments of President Trump were over other matters"

                  Imagine convicting someone on evidence that clearly and indisputably exonerated them, and rather than hiding in shame you pay retards to boast about it online.

          3. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            Senate panel finds Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. election
            Politics Aug 18, 2020 4:49 AM EDT
            WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump campaign’s interactions with Russian intelligence services during the 2016 presidential election posed a “grave” counterintelligence threat, a Senate panel concluded Tuesday as it detailed how associates of Donald Trump had regular contact with Russians and expected to benefit from the Kremlin’s help.
            ...
            The nearly 1,000-page report, the fifth and final one from the Republican-led Senate intelligence committee on the Russia investigation, details how Russia launched an aggressive effort to interfere in the election on Trump’s behalf. It says the Trump campaign chairman had regular contact with a Russian intelligence officer and says other Trump associates were eager to exploit the Kremlin’s aid, particularly by maximizing the impact of the disclosure of Democratic emails hacked by Russian intelligence officers.

            Trump Cultists = Morons

            1. Sevo   2 years ago

              turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

            2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              Hey Shrike, nice link from way back 2020.

              Do you know which piece of evidence the report cites that WASN'T linked to the Steele dossier or a "witness" that hasn't since been arrested for providing fraudulent material to the committee?

              Bonus question. Which committee member still stands 100% behind the report?

          4. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

            "I mean, you still buy into Russiagate AND you’re into pedophilia — you’re a leftist."

            Definitely some other ones, but the combination of the above certainly amounts to "walks like a duck, quacks like a duck"

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          Weak, tired effort. 3/10

          1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

            Whatever happened to the “official judge of performative outrage” or some such screen name?

            He was kinda funny.

      2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

        Your return serves while charging the net are really second to none here.

        Meanwhile so many of us here sit around saving up the food stamps and burning down the trailer park

    2. Naime Bond   2 years ago

      Arguing about the causes of free speech, that includes misinformation, is a complete waste of everyone's time. Censorship of free speech, including misinformation, is the cancer that needs to be removed before it kills a free society.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago (edited)

        “There is no misinformation. There is only information, and those too stupid or lazy to verify it.” – Me

        1. KARtikeya   2 years ago

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_the_Book_of_Mormon

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Book_of_Abraham

  5. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    About two-thirds of adults attribute responsibility for the spread of misinformation to U.S. politicians, social media companies, and their users. But nearly as many (58%) are holding the news media responsible as well.

    Seems like we're ignoring the evidence that U.S. politicians, social media companies and news media have become one and the same.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Misinformation!

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        As confirmed by Mikey, in his thread below.

    2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      Which is an exaggeration. Both major parties have news outlets and social media sites that are allied with them. The left has more big companies than the right, but all points of view and all takes on current events are readily accessible.

      1. Jerry B.   2 years ago

        So how much have you seen about the contents of the Twitter files in network TV or their online services?

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          I couldn't tell you about network TV because I don't watch network TV news.

          Online news mentions of the Twitter files? Here, I'll gladly link to some examples:

          https://www.foxnews.com/media/what-elon-musks-twitter-files-uncovered-about-tech-giant

        2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-files-journalist-taibbi-musk-spat-clearly-problematic-free-speech-debate

        3. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          https://www.foxnews.com/media/federal-trade-commission-demands-elon-musk-identify-journalists-access-twitter-files

        4. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-files-journo-matt-taibbi-dumps-platform-elon-musk-restricts-substack-content

          1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

            Wow. Look at that diversity of coverage!

            1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

              Lmao, all fox links. Hilarious. Imagine posting all that and not having the insight to pick up on the pattern.

              1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

                So what? The ask for was online content about Twitter Files linked to a TV news source. I did that.

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        The left has more big companies than the right, but all points of view and all takes on current events are readily accessible.

        Yes, it's just that some takes are down a rickety, poorly lit staircase and behind a closed door marked "beware of the leopard".

        1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          Or in ranting conspiratorial YouTube videos.

          1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

            Like Seymour Hersh.

            1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

              Diane/Paul: “Need to think quickly. Of all the conspiracy videos I’ve watched lately, what’s the most credible name I can cherry pick? Think, think.”

        2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

          "Yes, it’s just that some takes are down a rickety, poorly lit staircase and behind a closed door marked “beware of the leopard”."

          And the approved media outlets went out of their way to put a "Only Fascism Here" label on that section, while working in coordination with the govt and govt agencies to get a "Pro Democracy and Truth" label placed on their section of coverage, which is also amplified by copy pasting the same viewpoint in the other 20-something outlets without any deviation.

          Yup, bowf sides represented! No thumbs are on any scales here!

          1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            It’s nice to have a victimhood narrative on your side.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Lol. Holy fuck. You and sarc accusing others of victimhood. YOU who claimed censorship wasn't happening and it was cries of victimhood.

              Mike are you broke? Can I buy you a clue?

      3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

        Lol. Mike is so easily baited.

        “Here boy, here boy! Good dog!”

  6. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

    FREE MARKETS

    ...WTF

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Only for weed, ass sex, and undocumented labor.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Is everything not forbidden then permissible for federal agencies?

    We're pretending there is something left permissible?

    1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      Abortion and child-mutilation

    2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

      For federal agencies? I believe we are pretending there is something left forbidden.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    At long last, the U.S. federal government will end the COVID-19 vaccine mandates for international travelers, federal workers, Head Start employees, and the healthcare industry...

    They're going to have the next crisis ready in time?

    1. Jerry B.   2 years ago

      Evil assault rifles illegal because some State banned Bowie Knives two centuries ago.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Yeah, the part that's being misunderstood is this "ending" process isn't a victory, it's evidence that we've lost.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    ...the role of markets in delivering social justice.

    The free market of a social credit system.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      A society based on the ethics of middle school girls.

      1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

        And possibly pedophilia or should I use the new politically correct term Minor Attracted Person's, if some lawmakers have their way. But don't in any way call them groomers you transphobe.

        1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

          Euphemisms are the first key to acceptance!

          I will ready the 82 Camaro to cruise Golfland on Friday nights in 2025. I just hope no one thinks I am some creeper adult chaperone at the Senior Winter Formal(s).

  10. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    "The mandates will expire on May 11, the date that President Joe Biden has designated as the formal end of the COVID-19 public health emergency."

    Is anyone going to inform the CDC?

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

      They are awaiting the ruling on the Loper case to see if they have to follow the law.

    2. Zeb   2 years ago

      Or teh FDA?

  11. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

    The spread of misinformation isn't the problem, its the attempts to stop the spread.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      Hey, defying information fascism is anti-social fascism.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago (edited)

      What is misinformation anyway?

      I rarely see a use of the term that makes sense. I see it mostly defined as 1. something a political party wants to hide (Hunter Laptop) 2. an opinion contrary to the party line (Lab leak as a viable theory)

      If we were concerned about misinformation, as in falsehood with the intent to deceive, then the fact that a FBI agent purposefully misrepresented DNS data to falsely create an appearance that Trump had a nefarious connection with a Russian bank, then sold that story to the Clinton campaign would be front and friggin center.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        Misinformation is what Hamilton68 says it is.

      2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

        "What is misinformation anyway?"

        Its always been an extremely Orwellian term since it became popular. No surprise 'the party' vomits it out ad nauseum nowadays

  12. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    "Inside the scene at Bluesky, the possible Twitter replacement created by former CEO Jack Dorsey."

    Why do we even need that? All the cool people moved to Mastodon after Twitter imploded.

    1. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

      And they disappeared in a tar pit.

    2. Ajsloss   2 years ago

      Cue the "Baffled by Bluesky? We're Here to Help" article.

  13. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 years ago

    Chevron vs NRDC was the worst thing to come out of the Reagan Era.
    Ironically, it was the Liberal Court siding with the Reagan EPA against the job killing NRDC. The EPA decided (after deciding the opposite under Carter) that a plant expansion of a plant covered by Clean Air Act regs did not need to begin the permitting process anew like a new plant would.

    The EPA Administrator who decided this was Anne Gorsuch. Her son is the leading proponent of scrapping the Chevron precedent.

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

      The sins of the mother shall be reviled by her adult son.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        This happened to judge Posner of the 7th circuit. But not in a good way.

    2. SRG   2 years ago

      The idea that some deference should be granted to an agency in its interpretation of legislation is not obviously wrong, but strong deference, assuredly not, and on the general constitutional principle that a government entity has no power not explicitly, or implicitly but necessarily, delegated to it, where Congress is silent, the agency has no authority.

      1. ducksalad   2 years ago

        OK, in the long run there could be some deference.

        In the short term we need Affirmative Non-Deference to correct for past injustice.

        1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

          We can hack the deference
          In the long run........

        2. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

          Not speaking about non deference is hate speech.

        3. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

          Fuck deference. If the legislative branch doesn't do it's job, then rule it unconstitutional and make them redo it.

          1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

            The courts have long been loathe save us from the depredations of the representatives we voted into office. I wish they wouldn't take that position, but I can understand it.

  14. Cyto   2 years ago

    A survey by the media finds that Americans disagree about the source of disinformation? Some blame U.S. politicians, social media companies, and their users. But nearly as many (58%) are holding the news media responsible....

    Really?

    Who in their right mind is trying to pretend that those two things are different?

    I mean, even if we didn't have the 2020 election disinformation campaign that directly and definitively involved every one of those groups acting in coordination, we have seen plenty between 2006 and now that no sane person draws such distinctions.

    1. Cyto   2 years ago

      I will note a massive shift in the discussion about disinformation in the last few weeks. Notice who they are polling about.... and who isn't at the top of the list anymore.

      Since the Clinton campaign, the key feature of Democrat pressure to increase censorship and to justify their abuses of power has been "Russian disinformation". Now, everyone except the paid shills has known this was a lie for at least 6 years now, but they were still in lockstep on this even a couple of months ago.

      But since the Twitter files exposed the very explicit direction of political censorship coming from the bowels of the US security state, that has become noticeably diminished. Some of the press assets who are direct CIA operatives still parrot the line on Twitter, but they are pretty roundly mocked these days.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Senate panel finds Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. election
        Politics Aug 18, 2020 4:49 AM EDT
        WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump campaign’s interactions with Russian intelligence services during the 2016 presidential election posed a “grave” counterintelligence threat, a Senate panel concluded Tuesday as it detailed how associates of Donald Trump had regular contact with Russians and expected to benefit from the Kremlin’s help.
        ..
        The nearly 1,000-page report, the fifth and final one from the Republican-led Senate intelligence committee on the Russia investigation, details how Russia launched an aggressive effort to interfere in the election on Trump’s behalf. It says the Trump campaign chairman had regular contact with a Russian intelligence officer and says other Trump associates were eager to exploit the Kremlin’s aid, particularly by maximizing the impact of the disclosure of Democratic emails hacked by Russian intelligence officers.

        1. Cyto   2 years ago

          Your disinformation post is so full of lies it still claims that the DNC email was hacked by Russian intelligence. Making that claim was stupid but defensible 6 years ago. It had already been proven to be an inside job within weeks. Nobody seriously pretends that it is true any more.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            Pluggo is way beyond his expiration date.

          2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            The DNC email was trivial compared to the Trump/Kremlin collusion, idiot.

            1. Sevo   2 years ago

              turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

            2. Cyto   2 years ago

              You do know that zero real people believe any of this nonsense, right?

              Even with a multi-billion dollar propaganda machine, more people are likely to wonder why these folks at the FBI and CIA are not in jail than to believe this fairy tail.

              How many people get paid to push this nonsense on social media? Do you even have an idea of the scope?

              That would make for a good story. I wonder if anyone will ever be brave enough to tell it.

              1. SRG   2 years ago

                You do know that the report came from, as SPB's C&P states, "the Republican-led Senate intelligence committee", right? You'd think that they'd be minded to find in favour of Trump...or were they, too, in on this giant anti-Trump conspiracy?

                That people like you don't believe it does not mean that it's untrue, nor that real people don't believe it.

                1. damikesc   2 years ago

                  It's not true. The primary source, as has been mentioned repeatedly here over the years, has admitted he made it all up,

                  1. Sevo   2 years ago

                    SRG ain't got much upstairs; take pity on the obnoxiously arrogant piece of shit.

                  2. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

                    People who still believe anything from the Steele dossier most likely cannot be convinced otherwise.

                2. Junkmailfolder   2 years ago

                  So do you believe it?

                3. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  You know a ton more information came out after that report correct shrike?

                  1. SRG   2 years ago

                    And did that ton disprove the Republican-led Intelligence Committee's report? Cite? (hahaha)

                    Still, expecting honesty and integrity from you would be irrational.

                    FWIW I don't think that the Russians had a specific interest in having Trump as president, more a general interest in fucking up the electoral process, and finding Trump more congenial and easier to manage - particularly given Trump's interest in building a hotel in Moscow, which interest Trump tried to deny.

                    And I continue not to be shrike, while you continue to be a lying Oedipist.

                    1. Sevo   2 years ago

                      Given that you’re an obnoxiously arrogant piece of shit, why would you imagine anyone cares about your idiotic beliefs?
                      Fuck off and die, asshole.

                    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      "And I continue not to be shrike, while you continue to be a lying Oedipist."

                      I saw you use this as an evasion to get out of answering an awkward question the other day. Smooth, very smooth.

                    3. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

                      Yes. It has. The Congressional report was actually a compromise report with the democrats on the committee. It pushed much of the information not yet revealed to be false, but has since. Which specific fact do you want to discuss since you seem to be treating the Congressional report as a gospel.

                      If you think building a hotel in Russia for an international hotel chain is the smoking gun, you’re honestly dumber than I gave you credit for.

                      Shrike, when will you realize that it doesn't matter if you are or not shrike since you share every single talking point he does. You also have a Soros obsession believing him to be your leader. Shrike is the only one here who pushes this Congressional report as a gospel as well, has his own Soros deification, etc.

                      Sorry shrike, you're not tricking anyone. Even if you are not shrike, you have the exact same talking points so it doesn't matter if you are or not.

                4. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                  "That people like you don’t believe it does not mean that it’s untrue"

                  But it is untrue.

                  The dossier it was based on turned out to be a fake created by the Hillary campaign and several of the sources and "witnesses" have sin been arrested for lying under oath and frauding documentation related to the accusations.

                  Everything, not just a bit, but everything, the report was based on has since been proven to be fraudulent.

                  Here's a CNN story on some of it. It leaves out a lot of stuff but I figure you'll only believe something if the source is guaranteed Blue: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/steele-dossier-reckoning/index.html

                  Don't you guys ever get tired of being so gullible?

                  1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                    Shrike will never give you a specific example of what his criticism from the report is. Like the news articles he posts, he has never actually read the report.

              2. Sevo   2 years ago

                "You do know that zero real people believe any of this nonsense, right?"

                Well, turd is stupid enough to believe it.

                1. perlmonger   2 years ago

                  But is not actually a real person, so...

              3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

                It's funny how fast we can get people to relitigate the Steele Dossier.

      2. Cyto   2 years ago

        When Obama was elected they trumpeted the arrival of the post-racial society.

        Then when Trump got elected they instantly pivoted to "America is run by alt-right racist Nazis and libertarians". This was immediately followed by the declaration of the "post factual" society.

        Funny how that has changed. Now that we have Biden, blanket declarations that up is down are repeated and cheered. "Greatest economy ever". "No inflation". "Light and temporary inflation".

        And that evolved amazingly quickly into a full on orwellian nightmare of doublethink and true believers who are proud to declare their love for big brother.

        On MSNBC we just got to watch former Biden Press Secretary Jen Psaki interview congresswoman AOC about sometimes populist, sometimes conservative Fox News host Tucker Carlson getting tossed off the air. AOC was crowing that this was a victory for her team who are working to get more voices that she disagrees with removed from the media.

        We now live in an America where the American press is openly opposed to freedom of speech and freedom of the press. And congress is right there with them. MSNBC did a slanderous hatchet job on Matt Taibbi that inspired a the democrats on the committee he testified before to send a letter calling for him to be imprisoned.

        1. Cyto   2 years ago

          The saving grace is that the corporate press have destroyed their credibility to such an extent that they pull much smaller numbers than YouTube political pundits. That Psaki segment pulls less than 25,000 viewers in the key demo. Meanwhile, former leftists like Joe Rogan and Tim Pool pull much bigger numbers than the network news.

          The other night Jimmy Kimmel was crowing about Carlson being fired. This guy is considered a network bigshot. His monolog has pull, right? Yet he gets half of the viewers that Carlson got at fox.

          All of the folks who are out of corporate media and doing their own thing say Carleson will reach a much bigger audience and make much more money on his own. The consensus seems to be that corporate media is dying, both networks and cable.

          1. damikesc   2 years ago

            If we're lucky, the upcoming Hollywood writer's strike might go on for a long while and will kill late night comedy, movies --- fuck, the entire entertainment industry.

            *fingers crossed*

            1. Cyto   2 years ago

              I am hoping the studios use it to clean house and bring in some real writers. All of this academy driven diversity and equity crap has resulted in some of the worst "entertainment" of my life, with my favorite studio being the epicenter. (Disney/Pixar/Marvel/Lucasfilm).

              Perhaps the peak of this was "She Hulk". Staring Tatiana Maslany who was fantastic in Orphan Black, with a character halfway between Deadpool and The Hulk, it could have been custom designed for Cyto. And yet.... it was as awful as anything ever created. And clearly it was awful on purpose. The writers bragged about how they wrote it to offend their audience. Just mind-blowing. They were so proud that people who like sci-fi, fantasy and superhero movies hated their superhero sci-fi show.

              Odd business model, that.

              They even killed off Pixar. For 20 years, every moment of every film was a jewel. Now? Meh at best.

              Yeah, a strike might do them some good.

              But I won't hold my breath.

              1. damikesc   2 years ago

                Yeah, my wife watched She Hulk and did not love me mocking how mind-numbingly idiotic it was.

                1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

                  "Yeah, my wife watched She Hulk"

                  Im not one to comment on other people's wives...(but I cant help myself so Im going to)

                  I cant imagine she (or literally anyone) made it through that show unironically watching it, for entertainment, and not to clown on everything about it.

                  It has the lamest superhero action, the worst CGI in recent years, and most importantly the writing is dripping in intersectional feminist tropes and stereotypes that are so on the nose it looks like they just rounded up whoever they could find at Columbia's gender studies program and said "hey, wanna write a TV show". It is the epitome of everything wrong with modern TV, all in one TV show. It is the mary-sue down with the patriarchy writing that weighed down the SW sequel trilogy and completely sank Cpt Marvel, on steroids.

                  My wife, who is in the normie category in being relatively apolitical and known to watch some VERY terrible shonda rhymes shows in the past (which I make fun of her for, all the time) watched 1-2 episodes of it and said "is this written by and for angry lonely spinsters...yuck"

                  I cant imagine she made it through the whole thing, and I am concerned for her if she did

                  1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago (edited)

                    We’ll have to wait 20 years before Riff Traxx can give it the send up it so richly deserves.

                    Your description is spot on. This TV show is castor oil to the palate(s) thinking person(as) of all gender(s)

                    Beyond masturbatory purposes, I put this show lower than the Jim Dunbar Show

                2. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                  My wife was all excited to watch it with my daughter. They watched one episode and gave up on it. Neither even made it through the first episode before they started getting antsy to find something else to do.

                  1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

                    "They watched one episode"

                    So they got to see where they retconned Bruce saving Jenn using his blood (as in the comics) for a more updated version where Jenn saves Hulk from the car crash and happens to get some of his blood on her while she was being Strong-Woman-Dontneednoman (TM)...

                    Followed by a training montage where she then is instantly better, faster, stronger, and more Hulky than Hulk in literally every way, and also she is better at controlling her emotions/rage than him because she has to do it ALL THE TIME (when men cat call her, or a stupid cis white incompetent man is promoted above her), so she also gets to turn her powers on/off at will because she is so awesome and cool....

                    All while sprinkling in scenes of evil white men essentially saying women are just sex-holes to fuck, and they are all an extremely on the nose stereotype of basically andrew tate (before he really took off).

                    Cant imagine why she didnt make it to episode 2 🙂

                    They still dont understand how unappealing a Mary Sue is, and why people cannot ever get interested in them.

                    1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                      I said this back when Marvel made Thor a woman. Out of the entire Nordic Lexicon of gods they couldn't find a single female to base a comic on? I mean what about Freya (Freya)? She wasn't just a goddess of fertility. She was a warrior, and from a separate family of gods (Vanirs) that fought the Aesirs to a draw and forced concessions on Odin. She got half of all warriors slain, and in fact had first choice over Odin. She was a confident woman who embraced her sexuality (had multiple lovers and wasn't ashamed of it). She was goddess of war, love, fertility seithr (magic dealing with fate) sex etc. She often went on quests searching for her missing husband (she didn't wait for him to return but went looking for him herself). I mean there's a whole ton of possible storylines there. Also, she was constantly being harassed by the jotnar. The whole female empowerment thing from 9-11th century Scandinavia.

                    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      "Out of the entire Nordic Lexicon of gods they couldn’t find a single female to base a comic on? I mean what about Freya (Freya)? She wasn’t just a goddess of fertility."

                      They aren't creative enough to do something like this anymore. They can only imitate and appropriate.

                    3. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

                      If only the powers had been transferred by co-mingling bodily fluids in a more carnal method.

            2. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

              A nice opportunity for AI.

              1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

                You might be joking, but I can see that happening. AI won't do any worse than the "writers" of blockbuster movies.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

          We really should see the modern left as a comprehensive religion, a hybrid of new-age wokeness and old-school evangelical zealotry. This includes the "press" as loyal foot soldiers in this 21st century crusade.

          1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

            COVID really was a high point for them, when they could evangelize their love of controlling others and demanding uniformity by flaunting their favorite activist organizations on their non-working porous cloth masks, with what brand of vax/booster they got in their verified Twitter profile (under their pronouns) and could shame and harass any obvious heretics who werent wearing their religious totem, uhhh rosary, uhh head scarf, uhh I mean mask.

            What a time to be alive for a leftist. They got to have their fun much longer than rational society should have allowed it to go on for.

          2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            We really should see the modern left as a comprehensive religion, a hybrid of new-age wokeness and old-school evangelical zealotry.

            It's really a form of legalistic Christianity but with all the good bits, salvation, mercy, forgiveness and charity stripped away.

            1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

              Yeah, more related to Puritanism than to Evangelicalism.

        3. perlmonger   2 years ago

          The folks declaring "post factual" seem to have been correct.

    2. damikesc   2 years ago

      So, we can say that the media ignoring the Twitter files certainly left people uninformed.

    3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

      “Who in their right mind is trying to pretend that those two things are different?”

      I’ll give ya 2 guesses. (Although the “right mind” qualifier does complicate things).

  15. Overt   2 years ago

    Re: Free Markets- I don't know if they could have picked a better quote to demonstrate how blue-bubble libertarians regularly sell out freedom to totalitarian, authoritarian proggressives.

    "...I tend to think that the basic thrust of what progressives are trying to achieve is actually quite right [...] There's a lot of social harms out there. What they slightly miss is the dynamic aspect of this"

    Yeah this is half the problem with Reason right there. "You see, progressives mean well, but they just don't know enough about how markets work." Um no. Cars are not a social harm, and we can see that when Cowen himself makes an utterly bizarre statement:

    "When the level of activity, say the amount of car usage rises enough, and suddenly, it's having visible effects on people's health. "

    This is absurd. Cars aren't having visible effects on peoples' health. That's why they have to blame your car usage on intangible, imperceptible shit like "Climate Change." No one would know climate change is "happening" if you didn't have graphs showing .03C changes in global temps year over year.

    And this is how Libertarians have let an entire generation of kids slip out of their reach. They just blindly accept and even propagandize shit that isn't true. They validate progressive notions that "We are making others sick and we have to do something about it" and then think "Trust the market" is the argument that will win the day.

    Spoiler: It won't win the day.

    Whether we are talking about Bailey's Pro-Carbon Tax endorsements, or Bill Weld's "Just bake the damn cake!" social signaling, this undermines the case for freedom. They are essentially saying to people, "All those authoritarians over there telling you the sky is falling and half the country is evil? THEY ARE TOTES RIGHT! But just trust me, it will all work out in the end if you let those evil people have freedom."

    Authoritarians and totalitarians are using crisis and tribal politics to drive drastic curtailing of our freedoms. You are not going to preserve freedom by amplifying their message. You are merely making their case easier.

    1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      You see, progressives mean well, but

      This has been demonstrated false dozens of times. The useful idiots who support them might mean well, but anyone in power claiming to be a progressive is a totalitarian marxist who hates you and wants to run your life

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        Everyone who disagrees with you politically has bad intentions. It's a fact.

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

          The Progressive movement was started to promote a better society through eugenics and social engineering. It's a fact.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

            Which means that all current progressives are eugenicists who want to clean up the gene pool. Just as everyone in Germany still wants to exterminate Jews.

            It's a fact.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Doubles down on defending good intentioned authoritarians. Good work.

            2. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

              They are literally pushing chemical and physical castration of kids and abortion on demand until, and in some cases, after birth. So yes, progressives are the same as they ever were. Trying to create a better society via reproductive control.

              1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                Why do you get angry when people take stances from the lunatic far-right fringe and claim all conservatives support such policies?

                1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                  Burning sarc's strawmen could replace fossil fuels.

                  1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                    Oh I know, it's different when you guys create strawmen.

                    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      Cite?

                      Have you figured out what a strawman is yet? Or an ad hominem?

                    2. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                      Let me help you, though I doubt I can:
                      Deflecting to 'but crazy rightwingers' when nobody was talking about them to make it look like only a fringe minority supports the progressives eugenics agenda is a strawman.
                      Me pointing out you were wrong about progressives who continue to vote unanimously to protect abortion until birth and child gential mutilation in the name of 'trans care' is not.

                    3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      Let me help you, though I doubt I can.

                      It is a common political tactic to take fringe elements of the opposing team and then insist that everyone who disagrees with you supports those elements. The purpose of course is to dehumanize the enemy so instead of talking with them you throw poop like a monkey.

                      Wake up and stop being a monkey.

                    4. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      "It is a common political tactic to take fringe elements of the opposing team and then insist that everyone who disagrees with you supports those elements. The purpose of course is to dehumanize the enemy so instead of talking with them you throw poop like a monkey."

                      Self-Awareness isn't Sarcasmic's superpower. He's done the above today already.

                2. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  When do you defend any stance of the right? Did you applaud their attempts to cut spending, or did you continue attacking them?

                  Did you not call anyone who pushed back on false narratives regarding Trump as Trump Cultists?

                  Stop being a hypocrite.

            3. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

              What are you, fucking stupid? Germany banned the NAZI party. I missed the part where the Progressives ever changed. Abortion and minimum wage are still their calling cards and still have a disparate impact on the poor and minorities.

              1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                Catholics once supported the Inquisition which means all Catholics still support the Inquisition. Jim Crow was created by Democrats which means all Democrats still support Jim Crow.

                1. Cyto   2 years ago

                  The underlying philosophy is unchanged.

                  Being blind to that obvious continuity is sad.

                  1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                    Yes, the underlying philosophy has not changed. You just have yet to recognize what that philosophy is.

                    The purpose of the Progressive Movement is to take power from the people and put it in the hands of an administrative state run by “experts.” The idea is that once people join government they no longer have any self interest. So they selflessly create rules for the good of everyone. They want to separate rulemaking from the voters because the people are stupid, yet somehow people in government magically become smart. You seem to be missing the forest because stupid trees like eugenics and abortion are in the way.

                    They are well intentioned, and wrong. Very, very wrong.

                  2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                    The specific policies you mention are product of the administrative state. They are a symptom, not a cause. They are a distraction.

                    If we really want to stop Progressives, then we need to reign in that administrative state, and ultimately dismantle it.

                    1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                      Who created the administrative state to enforce these policies? Oh, that's right, progressives by and large (and yes, there used to be progressives Republicans too).

                2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

                  I mean they still push segregation.

                  That is a lot of defending the left this morning for someone who never defends the left.

                3. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                  So, fucking stupid it is. Even Reason still acknowledges that minorities get the majority of abortions and the minimum wage has the most adverse effects on the poor.

                  Progressives are still massive supporters of their original eugenicist policies and have adopted all new ones like gender reassignment.

                  1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                    Don't you get all pissy when Pluggo takes stances from the lunatic far-right fringe and claims all conservatives support those policies?

                    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                      This is really sad. Even for you.

                    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      Cite?

            4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

              "Which means that all current progressives are eugenicists who want to clean up the gene pool."

              If not the gene pool then at least the consciousness pool.

        2. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Nope. He never defends the left.

        3. Zeb   2 years ago

          Nah, just the ones who seek power. Which is what Derp-o said.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            Then why single out progressives? Do any power-seekers mean well? I say no.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              What a great bookmark this morning for the next time you claim you dont defend the left.

            2. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

              Maybe because progressives are so open about it and so successful as of late? If and when the ghost of Falwell starts getting wins again we can discuss him and his ilk.

        4. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

          All politicians have selfish intentions. I try to vote for the ones who are pushing policies and advocating for policies which are going to be less destructive.

      2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

        No shit. Show me a progressive and I will show you a latent fascist

    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

      Good and accurate post.

    3. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

      +

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

      "Authoritarians and totalitarians are using crisis and tribal politics to drive drastic curtailing of our freedoms."

      To paraphrase Steven Pinker, oppression is the default state, at least when people gather into organized societies. Freedom takes deliberate effort, including resisting in-bred urges like tribalism, status-seeking, and group panic. And we don't have to make much effort to revert to default conditions.

    5. damikesc   2 years ago

      And nobody seems to even question basic stuff like "If cars are negatively impacting lives...tell us how. Life expectancy has not dropped with the increase in car usage"

      It's like the uproar over texting while driving. Was it a bad idea? Probably. But the evidence that it KILLS people was dramatically lacking, given the lack of increase in auto fatalities.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        If you want to try deadly transportation, let's revert to horses.

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          If you want to complain about pollution, definitely revert back to horses. Streets would be rivers of piss and shit shrouded by clouds of flies. Good times.

          1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

            At least it would bring back the need for the only job you are good at...

            1. Joe Brandon   2 years ago (edited)

              lol, though I doubt sarc is intelligent enough to run a shovel, much less tell the difference between shit and Shinola.

            2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

              Wow. That might be the comment of the year. Strong candidate.

          2. Cyto   2 years ago

            330 million people worth of horses and methane.

            Not sure it is even possible.

      2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

        If cars are negatively impacting lives…tell us how.

        Well, there was that red SUV in Waukesha...

        1. Joe Brandon   2 years ago

          ouch

      3. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

        That's pretty typical of progressives, especially environmentalists, they make an assertion like it's a fact then offer you their solutions. Cars hurt health. Guns cause crime. The planet warming is a bad thing. Pollution is getting worse. We're running out of fresh water. Cows cause climate change.

        The universal thing about all of these statements, is if you look at the actual data, you see they are full of shit. A warming planet is not necessarily a bad thing. The internal combustion engine has actually directly improved our health. Fresh water shortages are a local thing, as fresh water is not evenly distributed and to expensive to transport from areas of abundance to areas of shortages. Guns do not equal more crime. Cows are not major contributors of GHG. The list goes on and on (blacks need to be afraid of whites killing them, it's an epidemic, no, no it's not most interracial violence is actually perpetrated by blacks, not against them and interracial violence is extremely small percentage of crime anyhow). Minimum wage. Unions created the 40 hour work week and ended child labor (they didn't do either, BTW). Privatizing social security is throwing Grandma from the cliff (no, it would actually have a higher rate of return and thus pay out more to beneficiaries). Transitioning kids stops suicides (no it doesn't, it either has little impact or may actually increase suicides).

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

          Environmentalists were right once about lead in gasoline and they are constantly trying to relive that single victory.

        2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

          It's like Ralph Nader. He was right about the Corvair and in general about auto safety in the early 60s and has been wrong ever since but he lives off Unsafe At Any Speed. You're absolutely right with your analysis

      4. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

        Cars??? Fucking cars????

        Have you seen the motherfuckers on electric motorized unicycle boards that I know are hitting >35MPH?

        A pack of them blew past me last week like something out of Tron and they were all hauling because I know I was. And they're fucking silent too. I cannot help but see some Darwin Awards on the horizon for this brand of urban thrillseeking.

        Does no one shoot cabbies in Pacific Heights for fun anymore?

    6. perlmonger   2 years ago

      > This is absurd. Cars aren’t having visible effects on peoples’ health.

      Maybe back in the 70s, or in Mexico City, when there was no emissions regulation at all. But these days even diesels don't make much particulate exhaust because people want cars that use less fuel.

      1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

        And even then,cars were far better than animals for general health.

    7. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      “…I tend to think that the basic thrust of what progressives are trying to achieve is actually quite right […] There’s a lot of social harms out there. What they slightly miss is the dynamic aspect of this”

      Yeah this is half the problem with Reason right there. “You see, progressives mean well, but they just don’t know enough about how markets work.” Um no. Cars are not a social harm, and we can see that when Cowen himself makes an utterly bizarre statement:

      This is getting annoying to the point where it's almost too enraging to comment on it. I'm busy today, so I'm not going to throw in a 3000 word comment, so I'll let you do it.

      People trying to destroy individual freedom, the nuclear family and the Nation State do not "mean well".

      Social Justice is collective justice. "Justice" in its most neutral form has a punitive and retributive component to it. If left-wing libertarians are putting "social justice" in the "means-well" column, they are ipso-facto supporting collective punishment and collective retribution.

      I'm just about done with this site.

  16. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

    "...the principle that agencies only have that authority Congress has actually delegated to them or, if you prefer, that a statute grants what it grants, and the rest is silence."

    Great, now do Wickard. Then we might actually have a glimmer of hope of residing in a constitutional republic.

    1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      "The Libertarian case for federal controls over how much you can grow on your own property for your own consumption." by ENB

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

        The most significant use of 11.9 acres since Little Round Top. But the consequences were farther reaching.

        1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

          Yeah, that makes the penaltax look amateurish in it's twisting to fit a square peg in a round hole.

    2. TJJ2000   2 years ago

      The [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] have burned the Constitution now the debate seems to be a monarchy God/King versus a quorum of Gods (Congress) with any & every power under the sun at their voting whim.

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

        The executive branch, supported by whichever legislative body is controlled by Democrats [and, invariably, MSM], will certainly strive to get around any ruling contrary to Chevron. Which will mean multiple court hearings, in which liberal courts [those with majority appointed by a "D"] will equivocate on the meaning the the SCOTUS ruling contrary to their wishes. At least that is how it goes with guns.

        I have to wonder, at what point will they see a decision as so restraining on their power that they say fuck it, we're going to kill us some judges and replace them with sops who will do their bidding.

        That is how the fight will start.

  17. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

    Is everything not forbidden then permissible for federal agencies?

    Judging by your views on everything except butt sex, food trucks, weed, and abortion the answer is yes

  18. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    "Is everything not forbidden then permissible for federal agencies?"

    That's in the spirit of the Constitution, right? A document which lays out the limits on the rights of individual citizens, and reserves broad unenumerated power for the federal government.

    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

      I see what you did there.

  19. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

    Seriously another article using the phrase "social justice"? Seriously ENB you are a cunt rag Marxist "useful idiot". Stop using their terms. Oh my bad I forgot your a shit totalitarian Marxist wearing a skinsuit of libritarianism.

  20. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

    "When it comes to car driving, are we going to be using petrol or gasoline or moving over to electric? It's interesting because it matches up with some cultural conflicts, a bit of the culture wars. On that front, I tend to think that the basic thrust of what progressives are trying to achieve is actually quite right. There are a lot of externalities that come from our current reliance on fossil fuels. It's not just climate change. It's literally the urban environment that we're in."

    Except electricity is a way to transmit energy, it is not an energy source in itself. A lot of electricity is still coming from fossil fuels, because fossil fuels are the most flexible, high energy output for input source that we have available. The progressive's zealous attempt to force the electrification of everything is going to make individuals poorer and less mobile in the long run.

    1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

      The progressive’s zealous attempt to force the electrification of everything is going to make individuals poorer and less mobile in the long run.

      That's the goal.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

        But more equity-ish.

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        They mean well!

    2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

      going to make individuals poorer and less mobile in the long run.

      People who are mobile can resist collectivization.

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

        As are people who are armed.

        From that perspective this all makes sense now.

    3. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

      If we electrocute all the progressives and marxist the energy consumption in America will drop by more than 60% and the hot air production will drop by at least 90%

    4. damikesc   2 years ago

      ALWAYS been the goal. It's why they were so gung ho for trains for so damned long. Because they can control where you go and when you get there.

      Electric cars now give them that control and they want you on that. And they want to limit any form of energy that they cannot shut off at the drop of a hat if you anger them, much like CA shut off electricity for people who did not follow their COVID rules to their satisfaction.

      1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

        My guess would be this ^^^ here...
        "they want to limit any form of energy that they cannot shut off at the drop of a hat if you anger them"

        Monopolizing the entire energy sector.

        1. TrickyVic (old school)   2 years ago

          Your coming social score will dictate your energy allotment.

          Btw, your energy allotment was just increased from 5 hours a week to 10 hours a month.

          Control is definitely the goal. Progressives was government to be a partner in your life. A partner you cannot exist without.

    5. Zeb   2 years ago

      People always ignore the positive externalities.

  21. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

    If a single person in Utah has a paid subscription porn hub is going to get sued out of existence

    1. Cyto   2 years ago

      People actually pay for that?

  22. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    "Americans worry about misinformation but disagree about its causes."

    Not so. We agree that misinformation comes from "those" people. We just disagree on which people are righteous and noble, and deserve to hold power, and which people should be put in camps.

    1. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

      It's pretty clear disinformation comes from enb

    2. B G   2 years ago

      The new "two party" system has transformed from Republican and Democrat to being "patriots" vs "traitors/terrorists" (not necessarily respectively, unless you ask a Republican).

      Somehow the binary of "with us or against us" has warped into "one of us or against humanity" in the eyes of the true-believers.

  23. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    "Pornhub blocks viewers in Utah."

    The angel Moroni gets a stiffy (which people are not allowed to see).

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      They can....but only inside of a dark hat or something.

    2. Cyto   2 years ago

      I saw this pop up on Twitter. There were several Marxist checkmarks talking about how the Nazi Republicans are trying to censor everything and they will continue to fight against them.

      The reason porn companies are self- censoring un spec states is because they require age verification. Louisiana is doing the same thing, so expect more.

      So.... there we have our dichotomy and our "both sides" all rolled up together. "Don't show that to kids" on one side, and "don't allow those adults to speak" on the other.

      AOC went on national TV this weekend and said Fox News promotes white nationalism and explicitly calls for violence, presenting a clear and present danger. Carefully chosen phrases for a US lawmaker to use.

      We live in Bizarre times where libertarians are shockingly sanguine about the security state directing censorship and using state power to attack critics, while "the press" writ large cheers on state action against critics of state power like Matt Taibbi.

  24. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Economy Too Hot!

    Construction boom may delay interest-rate cuts
    Federal Reserve unlikely to slash rates amid industry records
    ...
    Construction’s record year is perceived as fuel in the Federal Reserve’s fire to raise interest rates to clamp down on inflation, the Wall Street Journal reported. The industry is a bellwether for the larger economy because it is usually the first sector to see jobs hit the fan when borrowing costs rise.

    https://therealdeal.com/national/2023/05/01/construction-boom-may-delay-interest-rate-cuts/

    Fed pouring cold water on the economy as fast as they can.

    1. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      No, inflation is too hot, but monetary policy has trained financial institutions to expect low interest rates, but you have to raise interest rates to curb infation. That is causing bank failures. The Biden Administration's reckless fiscal policy combined with the bad monetary policy has combined into a rather nasty economic Catch-22 with no good options.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Gibberish.

        Fiscal and monetary policy are about the same with Fatass and Old Joe - both administrations ran huge deficits and used the same Fed Chair - Powell.

        Donnie did intervene and threaten to fire Powell after four rate cuts in 2018.

        We agree about one thing - given the horrible fiscal policy since 2017 it seems like we SHOULD be in a deep recession.

        1. damikesc   2 years ago

          Did the youngster you were molesting give you the info?

    2. damikesc   2 years ago

      Only had 3 of the 4 largest bank failures in US history this year. Economy going super well.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Easily contained though. No systemic risk like 2008.

        1. damikesc   2 years ago

          Did the youngster you were molesting feed you that fairy tale?

          Do you like that we had to bail out JP Morgan to buy that bank? We financed $50B of it, indicating JP Morgan definitely can not contain it.

          Biden is giving money to huge banks, hand over fist.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            It indicates Jamie Dimon is a far better negotiator than the Bushpigs and Biden fools.

            Morgan got Bear Stearns and WaMu for next to nothing in 2008.

            1. Sevo   2 years ago

              Remember that turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

            2. damikesc   2 years ago

              So, again, championing for taxpayers to pay for the mistakes of banks while they profit from anything positive they do?

              Really?

              Why do you hate the free market and capitalism?

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

                The DNC told him to.

          2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            Which is worse? Banks toppling like dominoes and people losing all of their assets in runs, or the Fed halting bank runs and putting the remaining assets under the control of a stable institution?

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

              Sarcasmic translation:

              "Consequences, shmonsiquences."

              1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                Given the nature of fractional reserve banking, those are the choices as I see it. Got a better idea, or just more personal insults?

                1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                  1) There is no ethical obligation to argue in good faith with someone who consistently refuses to argue in good faith. You should should stop trolling if you don't appreciate insults.

                  2) Yes, I have a better idea. People who freely engage in financial markets should bear the consequences for their decisions. That is not a novel proposal. It is the position of actual libertarians.

                  1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                    1) Do you even know what arguing in good faith means? I'll give you a clue. It means you don't assume that everyone who disagrees with you has bad intentions. You should try it. Just once. See how it works out.

                    2) Learn a bit about the history of banking in this country. Free banking wasn't great. The gold standard wasn't great. Bank runs weren't great. And while the system we've got isn't wonderful, it's a lot better than it was in during your imaginary heyday.

                    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      Self awareness is not sarc's super power. - ML

                    2. Overt   2 years ago (edited)

                      “It means you don’t assume that everyone who disagrees with you has bad intentions. ”

                      You act as if no one has any experience arguing with you.

                      “Learn a bit about the history of banking in this country. Free banking wasn’t great. The gold standard wasn’t great. Bank runs weren’t great.”

                      This is an example of bad faith argument. You are assuming your conclusions and just declaring that people who don’t agree need to “learn a bit”.

                      For the record, there has never been free banking in this country. I welcome you to provide evidence to the contrary. Just as an example, did you know that it was illegal for Banks to operate outside their local region? That meant when drought impacted a local area, the local farm bank would get wiped out because all of its loans were in that local region.

                      When you say that the gold standard “wasn’t great”, which gold standard do you mean? The traditional standard that more or less prevailed up through the 19th Century? Or do you mean the modified (i.e. largely fake) version that began post WWI and helped drive us into the Great Depression?

                    3. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                      Just as an example, did you know that it was illegal for Banks to operate outside their local region?

                      Yes, I did. That’s one explanation for why Canada didn’t any bank failures during the Great Depression.

                      When you say that the gold standard “wasn’t great”, which gold standard do you mean? The traditional standard that more or less prevailed up through the 19th Century? Or do you mean the modified (i.e. largely fake) version that began post WWI and helped drive us into the Great Depression?

                      All of the above.

                      Also, I wasn’t talking to you. I was talking to attack-dog-Chuck. I wouldn’t accuse you of deliberate ignorance. Ever.

                    4. Overt   2 years ago

                      "Yes, I did. "

                      Then when was this time when "Free banking wasn't great"?

                      "All of the above."

                      Well, then we have a problem. If you were saying the "gold standard wasn't great" and you are talking about post-war, then you aren't describing the gold standard, were you? What about the pre-war gold standard wasn't great?

                      "Also, I wasn’t talking to you."

                      Pot, leave the kettle alone.

                    5. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

                      sarcasmic 20 hours ago
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                      1) Do you even know what arguing in good faith means? I’ll give you a clue. It means you don’t assume that everyone who disagrees with you has bad intentions. You should try it. Just once. See how it works out.

                      Let's see how long it took you to argue in bad faith according to your own definition.

                      sarcasmic 18 hours ago (edited)
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                      Also, I wasn’t talking to you. I was talking to attack-dog-Chuck.

                      "Attack-dog" certainly seems to imply bad intentions. At the same time, you failed to ever address my point that other commentors seem to have easily understood, that there is a serious ethical dilemma when the government interferes in the market for financial services to relieve investors and depositors of the consequences of their poor choices. You almost made it 3 hours.

            2. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Is it your belief the fed and other previously bailed out banks are stable? Lol.

              Not a leftist guys.

              Free markets require allowing the collapse of various entities. Prior to the fed policies of the early 1900s failures were more frequent but recovered much more quickly as resources were reallocate.

              Since the invention of the federal backing of markets collapses were less frequent due to forced transfers of resources but market instead of entity collapse was deeper and slower to recover. We are seeing these collapses happen more frequently, so thise benefits are now non existent.

              On top of that many of these banks were propped up by loose monetary policy, over leveraging, and government largesse.

              But please. Continue to defend bad actions of the left.

              Youre 3 for 3 so far today.

            3. Super Scary   2 years ago

              What happened to not accepting the lesser of two evils? I'd rather neither happen!

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                I'd rather allow failures in the markets as markets are supposed to operate.

              2. Overt   2 years ago

                That is only a problem if you are Ken, and Sarc sees you arguing that team Red is preferable to team Blue. In this case pro-government tomfoolery is on trial. It is perfectly acceptable in this case to criticize others for not recognizing that one is more preferable than another.

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                  There are more similarities than differences between the teams. They argue over the petty shit, got the team players divided and conquered, while they take turns systematically destroying our freedom and our future. Wake up.

                  1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                    Yes. Federal takeover of industry is petty shit. Lol.

                    I've noticed that the more the left fails the more you and Mike try to claim they are equal. This is a defense mechanism to ignore the actual failures and harm caused by the left and your supported views.

        2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

          No systemic risk like 2008.

          Just systemic racism. Feds jumping in to protect the white man's money.

          Am I social justicing right?

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            Am I social justicing right?

            I don't give a fuck about social justice, moron.

            Uncle Clarence is more PC than I am.

            1. Sevo   2 years ago

              turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

            2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   2 years ago

              Again with the racism. You can't bear to see a black man be successful, can you? They need to stay on the Democratic plantation where they belong, amirite?

        3. Cyto   2 years ago

          Has anyone noticed how we have transformed into a nation that can take executive action without any authority to do so? We exercise power like a North Korean dictator.

          With no actual authority to do so, bank regulators just took billions and made depositors whole. Then they take the bank and "sell" the assets to their buddies at big bank.

          This started in 2008 with Obama and TARP, but it has now been completely unleashed. "To big to fail" has become "to important to legislate". They don't even pass a real budget any more. They don't even pretend to debate.

          So of course they can just come in and scoop up a bank and drop 30 billion into shoring up the balance sheet to make it palatable for megabankcorp to take over.

          1. damikesc   2 years ago

            Privatize profits while making losses borne by the public.

            When heads are mounted on pikes, it will not be a surprise.

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              One thing that the feds do that I think is a good thing is they stop bank runs from getting worse by freezing a bank's assets. They then put the remaining assets under the control of a stable institution so depositors won't start another bank run. I'm not too keen on bailouts, but stopping the hemorrhaging isn't a bad thing.

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                Cite on stable institution? You mean politically connected institution. LOL.

                You're literally advocating for government managed reallocation of assets instead of utilizing the normal bankruptcy procedure which sells assets to willing buyers.

              2. Overt   2 years ago

                1) This is essentially saying "I like debt-holders, so I want them to be protected from their decisions."
                2) It ignores the role of FDIC insurance.
                3) It is in no way libertarian.

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  1) Actually I'm more partial to the account holders.
                  2) No it's not. FDIC insurance kicks in after they freeze accounts to stop the hemorrhaging.
                  3) *sigh* The more I learn about the history of banking, the less nostalgic I am about those bygone days of free banking, commodity standards, bank runs, and such. I'm not saying the situation we have now is optimal or libertarian, but in many ways it is better than the pre-Fed era.

                  1. Overt   2 years ago

                    This really doesn't want to post...but:

                    “1) Actually I’m more partial to the account holders.”

                    Account holders are debt holders of the bank, sarc. They have loaned the money to the bank. The bank is indebted to them.

                    “2) No it’s not. FDIC insurance kicks in after they freeze accounts to stop the hemorrhaging.”

                    Why is stopping the hemorrhaging so important? What is so important to protect, other than the accounts that are already insured?

                    The fed has sidestepped a standard process of business dissolution- settle insurance claims, auction assets, and pay remaining debts with the proceeds. Instead they have assumed responsibility for all debts (they backstopped even non-insured accounts with conjured money) and then transferred assets to another business without competitive bids or sale.

                    ” the less nostalgic I am about those bygone days of free banking”

                    Again, I ask when this "free banking" time of myth and legend existed.

                    The problem I see with your general argument is that it pretty much accepts any means as long as you accept the ends as plausible and acceptable:

                    “One thing that the feds do that I think is a good thing is they stop bad regimes from getting nukes by deposing the nation’s government. Then they put the nation under the control of a stable institution so they won’t start another nuke program. I’m not too keen on war, but stopping nuclear proliferation isn’t a bad thing.”

                    “One thing that the feds do that I think is a good thing is they stop bad parenting from getting worse by freezing a parent’s child custody. Then they put the children under control of a stable institution so the children won’t get any more bad parenting. I’m not too keen on grabbing kids from their parents, but stopping bad parenting isn’t a bad thing.”

                    “One thing that the feds do that I think is a good thing is they stop pandemics from getting worse by freezing people in their households. Then they shut down the businesses so customers won’t make the pandemic worse. I’m not too keen on imprisonment, but stopping pandemics isn’t a bad thing.”

                    1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      To think yesterday he was arguing he was the perfect libertarian based on an online quiz.

                  2. JesseAz   2 years ago

                    You haven't actually learned much about the history of banking then.

              3. Overt   2 years ago (edited)

                This is a key point. The government isn't just performing a shotgun marriage here. They are handing a distressed company's profit-making assets to another company for pennies on the dollar, and printing money to replace any losses that company had incurred.

                1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  They also chipped in 13B per congressional testimony on the deal.

          2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

            It's just the Holy Mandate. The constitutional republic with limited government is dead.

  25. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   2 years ago

    Obligatory futureama link

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dkKqnfErABA

  26. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

    Americans worry about misinformation but disagree about its causes.

    What we really need is a singing crackadoodle to form a Ministry of Truth Disinformation Governance Board

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      Nina lost a little something there ...

      1. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

        I still want her.

        1. Dillinger   2 years ago

          I'm sayin' ... that vid toed a line is all

        2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

          It would be very hard for her to sing when her mouth is full.
          🙂

  27. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

    County Councilman Triggers Woke Liberals and Gets Them to Protest Their Own Ideology by Proclaiming He Is Now a Lesbian “Woman of Color”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/04/county-councilman-triggers-woke-liberals-and-gets-them-to-protest-their-own-ideology-by-proclaiming-he-is-now-a-lesbian-woman-of-color-video/

    Angry pouty persons of indeterminate sex protest. (Odd how they all look alike)

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      "Motorcyclist Who Identifies As Bicyclist Sets Cycling World Record"
      https://babylonbee.com/news/motorcycle-that-identifies-as-bicycle-sets-world-cycling-record

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      A morbidly obese trans woman named Charlize Jamieson also angrily blasted Webb, claiming that he was being disingenuous and “his words not only embarrass himself, but you, the county council.”

      Goddammit if a free press isn't the best thing ever!

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

        Webb, however, had an epic retort.

        Do you think you have the password to the forbidden world of coming out? When you decided to become a woman did people tell you that it was unbecoming.

        Sorry pal but you don’t get to be the decider of who is acceptable and who isn’t. I was hoping that you and I could be friends now that we are both ladies who used to be men. I’ll give you some more time.

        This ma-, excuse me, woman, is a hero.

        1. damikesc   2 years ago

          Yes, I am loving this gu --- gal.

        2. Dillinger   2 years ago

          this is my favorite lesbian in the world.

          1. mad.casual   2 years ago

            IDK, I'd still agree he's polluting the cis-female lesbian space, but as trans-female lesbians go, yeah, current world record holder.

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        I haven't read the article, but I'm guessing the "disingenuous" relates to his claim that he's a trans woman.

        I've discussed this at length before, that if you want to see a bunch of rules suddenly put into place on who's a woman, this is how you get a bunch of rules put into place on who's a woman.

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      legend

  28. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

    Pornhub blocks viewers in Utah.

    HOW THE FUCK AM I GOING TO GET MY BBW BONDAGE VIDEOS?

    /Mitt Romney

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

      I thought that’s what the binders full of women were for?

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        most likely reason so far.

    2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      "Hey, Kids! Now we have more time to build things with egg shells!"
      🙂

  29. Sevo   2 years ago

    "Supreme Court Could Rein In Administrative State With New Case"

    We can hope:
    "The Biden administration is proposing strict new automobile pollution limits that would require up to two-thirds of new vehicles sold in the U.S. to be electric by 2032, a nearly tenfold increase over current electric vehicle sales."
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/auto-emission-limits-epa-electric-vehicle-sales-biden-administration/
    Doesn't take a lot of research to find out how well Gosplan did running the Soviet economy and there's no reason to assume Epaplan will be an improvement.
    Take it out behind the barn and kill it with a pitchfork.

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      Nice to see Progressives still obsessed with government mandated economic plans. They always work out so well.

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

        Especially in 5 year increments.

    2. Cyto   2 years ago

      As long as we decide the extent of government power based on the underlying policy choices involved in the case, we will continue to erode the rule of law.

      Being a Supreme Court Justice today should be trivial. Simply reading the 9th and 10th amendments and the enumerated powers should be all you need to rule pretty much every law that comes before you as unconstitutional.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        First you'll have to convince the courts to end their policy of deference to the other branches and remind them that they are a check on power, not a rubber stamp.

        1. TJJ2000   2 years ago

          +10000000000... Once in a while you make some pretty good comments.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            Take your damning with faint praise and stick it up your ass.

            1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

              Says the king of faint praise.

              1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                If you were a bird your mating call would sound like "Tu quoque! Tu quoque!"

                1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago (edited)

                  Last week I called you out for faint praise, today you use the term. Coincidence? I think not. I believe my exact phrasing was 'stick you faint praise up your ass' after you posted something about how occasionally I make a good point. Just like TJ did to you here.

                  1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                    That's your favorite go to when I call out your bullshit. Usually it includes the phrase 'what happened to you?' or some derivative of it.

                    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      Do you feel better?

                2. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                  Also, I would point out that you are far more guilty of this than I am. Just up thread you posted multiple times deflecting blame of progressives by pointing to bad behavior of conservatives. Which you do pretty much reflexively anymore.

                  1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                    Oh and come up with your own schtick. The bird thing is already being used. Can you do anything original?

                    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      If the bird thing is already being used then it's by someone I have on mute who no doubt copied it from me.

                    2. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                      They've been using it for years, you dishonest hack.

                    3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      So have I you old fool.

                    4. soldiermedic76   2 years ago (edited)

                      Yeah, great comeback. Sure showed me.

                  2. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                    Actually, no. My point wasn’t to deflect. People are taking fringe policies and not only claiming they’re mainstream, but that everyone on the other team supports them. That’s as honest as SPB saying everyone who voted for Trump is a Christian Fascist. I’m just calling out dishonest argumentation.

                    1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                      Except the progressives actually support many of the things people accuse them of. Progressivism from it's core is about deferring to the experts. It always has been, and remains so. They still spout eugenic ideals. They still spout racial collectivism etc. You deflected. And when called out on it, instead of saying that wasn't your intent you double down on it. Also, as pointed out you rarely ever do the same when people label the right wing using examples of extremists. You've even participated in it. Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining.

                    2. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                      Maybe once take a second and self examine why you get so much shit. Put aside your massive persecution complex and ask yourself why everyone except a very small minority, despise your posts.

                    3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      My arguments don't contain the word "you" in every sentence, and my eyes glaze over when those are the arguments I see.

                    4. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      I see you taking my arguments personally, even though they're not at "you." Then I see responses directed at me personally, not what I said. At that point I become bored and don't really care if there was something interesting tucked away inside the attacks. I just don't care.

                    5. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                      Again, when called out you try and make this about me taking it personally. Once again, deflecting criticism and implying bad motives on those criticizing you, just as you accuse others of above in your screed about banking. Gee. It's almost like all your criticism are what you secretly believe about yourself.

                    6. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      Again, when called out you try and make this about me taking it personally. Once again, deflecting criticism and implying bad motives on those criticizing you, just as you accuse others of above in your screed about banking. Gee. It’s almost like all your criticism are what you secretly believe about yourself.

                      Boooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggg.

          2. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

            He does, but CWAA.

          3. Sevo   2 years ago

            Not often enough to make it worth reading his nearly constant drivel

    3. perlmonger   2 years ago

      > Take it out behind the barn and kill it with a pitchfork.

      The EPA? Sounds good.

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        Exactly!

  30. Cyto   2 years ago

    Why is Stossel the only dude around here that consistently hits the mark?

    Plus, with the success of segments featuring Tulsi and Noem, how did the rest of the press miss this "influencer"?

    https://youtu.be/CUfRwYcaL-k

    1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      He's pretty much the only libertarian that writes here.

      Robby occasionally lands on a libertarian thought, but he doesn't dare commit because otherwise he would have to vehemently defend himself against the retarded hyphen-last name girl on their little show, and she yells a lot and shouts her stupid opinions so loudly, it would be a bad look for him to dunk on her. Its the Joy Reid school of debate. He's young and wants a long career in front of a camera, and he's a white guy. He'll continue to toe the line and keep his mouth shut so they continue to allow him around more diverse TV hires.

      Tucille occasionally lands on something libertarian. But the rest? Shackford is firmly in the 'if the state cant show kids blowjobs, then fascism happened' groomer camp, ENB is a vice/vox writer who for some reason has found herself here, and Fiona's articles are just always 'X-event is Y-degrees of separation away from why we should have completely open borders and unlimited immigration...did I do OK Koch daddies?!?!'

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 years ago

        Nancy Rommelmann was too critical of Antifa for them or something.

      2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

        So, why are you here?

        1. JesseAz   2 years ago

          Cite?

        2. soldiermedic76   2 years ago (edited)

          To make you whine that people are mean to Reason and don't blindly worship it's abandonment of several libertarian principles and non emotional takes in favor of appeals to emotions on just about every take (especially the border).

          1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

            Some of us have been posting long before Mikey and Sarc showed up and remember when this was an actual honest to God libertarian magazine.

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              I can remember the days before the conservatard brigade took over the comments and declared that true libertarians are Republicans, and everyone who disagrees is a committed Marxist. I used to have interesting conversations and actually learn things, instead of being attacked for any deviation from the Republican platform. People used to talk about economics instead of bragging how Trump is a genius playing four dimensional chess with his trade wars. People judged policies based upon principles instead of party. Back when there were actual honest to God libertarians in the commentariat.

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                Cite anyone doing this?

                Oh, you mean before you fell into the TDS crowd and started pushing every leftist policy like supporting bank bailouts just above here. LOL.

                And please stop bringing up economics. You know so little it is sad at this point. Listening to a single book on tape doesn't even make you a cursory student of economics.

            2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              Back when the very same authors would say the very same things about the very same policies, and be accused of racism because a black guy was in the White House. The leftist retards who accused Reason of being a conservative rag left when Trump got into the White House, and were replaced by conservative retards who declared that all criticism of Trump is rooted in mental illness. In principle no different than accusing Obama critics of racism. Same ad hominem mentality. And it still rules.

              1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                And there is the uncited TDS. Thanks buddy.

                Good lament about how great it is to lock up non violent protestors, shoot a woman for trespassing, or how teenagers shouldn't have self defense.

                Then defend bank bailouts again, like right above. LOL.

              2. soldiermedic76   2 years ago (edited)

                Before that young grasshopper. And it wasn’t the very same authors. Keep digging. And they weren't posting the same drivel. I don't think ten years ago you would have found any writer here posting about racial/social justice being libertarian. So, once again, your talking points are empty knee jerked defensiveness.

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  I'm trying really hard to stay on topic without snide personal shit, but you can't help yourself. I'm tired of it. Good day.

                  1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                    Don't play cute. Your entire post was insulting but you tried to couch it in flowery language. This is also typical of you. Accuse others of doing exactly what you do, and then act the aggrieved party. Your lack of self awareness is astounding. Either that, you truly do think your winning with these puerile antics.

                    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      There's a big difference between us. I'm not here to win. If I can learn something from you that would be great. As long as it is on topic. I don't give a fuck about your psychological evaluation.

                    2. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                      Just keep telling yourself that. If I were here to win, I would have given up a long time ago. It would be great if you actually did more in depth posts and far less shit posting. Because, currently the vast majority of your posts are shit posts designed to get reactions then you claim to be the victim. Thanks, I'd rather not learn that.

                    3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      I first heard of Bastiat, cafehayek, Menken, and a bunch of other stuff here. It was fun. Learned a lot. Don't learn much anymore, and I am often attacked if I bring up the stuff that was interesting before the exodus.

            3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              I knew I shouldn't have petted the puppy. Now it's gonna keep humping my leg...

              1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                Good one... That's what everyone says when you post. Notice I never get the flack you do. You can't stand criticism and deflect and project on to others your own inadequacy. You posted three different replies. I didn't respond for over an hour to a single one. Talk about leg humping.

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  My replies were about the topic, not you. The thing humping my leg only talks about me, not the topic.

                  1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                    I knew I shouldn’t have petted the puppy. Now it’s gonna keep humping my leg…
                    This has nothing to do with the subject and was posted before I replied to you. For fuck sake, you think people can't read time stamps. This was a personal attacks and everyone sees it for what it was. And now you try and play the aggrieved party. Fucking classic Sarc.

                    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      I knew I shouldn’t have petted the puppy. Now it’s gonna keep humping my leg…

                      That's because I unmuted JesseAz yesterday for a post or two, and now he can't stop dropping turds on all my posts. I wasn't talking about you, and I apologize if you took it that way.

                      Lighten up.

                    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      Cite?

                      You mean where you pretended you were a perfect libertarian yet here to day disproving it? Lol.

        3. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

          1000% the comments. The people in the comments are many order of magnitude more pro freedom than the writers/editors with only a couple rare exceptions (Stossel, I forgot about Rommelman when she was here, etc)

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            The comments were a lot more interesting before most of the libertarians left.

            1. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Cite? Oh they kicked you off the new website too. I forgot.

            2. Cyto   2 years ago

              http://Www.glibertarians.com

              Eclectic and unusually cordial gathering of libertarians.

              1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                That has a flurry of activity in the morning and then goes dead.

                Most of them were people in these here comments. They all know me and like me. Say "Hi" if I show up. But they got their own weird thing going and I've never arrived to the party on time.

                1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  Cite on anyone liking you?

          2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            So, do you drop some cash on Reason once a year to help pay for all the server time to host the comments? Or do you free ride?

  31. Number 2   2 years ago

    “The Chevron precedent "has been extensively used by the U.S. government in arguing environmental, financial and consumer protection cases," notes Robert Barnes at The Washington Post.”

    The Chevron precedent has been extensively used by the government in ALL federal administrative agency cases, you dumb Washington Post hack, not just the emotionally-charged cases you cherry-picked.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      when these fucking Bolsheviks use the word "consumer protection" they mean "consumer control"

  32. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>Whether the Court should overrule Chevron

    please and thank you.

  33. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>Pornhub blocks viewers in Utah.

    Real Housewives of Salt Lake takes on new meaning.

    1. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

      Sales of VPNs skyrocket in Salt Lake.

  34. Unicorn Abattoir   2 years ago

    RIP, Gordon Lightfoot

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      Edmund Fitzgerald hardest hit.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        And the "Carefree Highway" too. They don't make singer-songwriters like him anymore. Kindest thoughts to him and his.

        1. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

          Agreed.

    2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      The Rectum of Edmond Fitzgerald

      https://youtu.be/udZFnUb4Q6A

    3. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Canada loses Canadian-hat-wearing American songwriter.

  35. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    About two-thirds of adults attribute responsibility for the spread of misinformation to U.S. politicians, social media companies, and their users. But nearly as many (58%) are holding the news media responsible as well.

    these are rookie numbers! you gotta get those numbers up.

    I cant believe it's only 58%. I am so disappointed in my fellow Americans.

  36. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    Pornhub blocks viewers in Utah

    Imagine not knowing what a VPN or Tor Browser is.... sad. many such cases.

  37. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    "Misinformation", like "assault rifle", is a made up Humpty Dumpty word with no actual definition. It has use only in propaganda; real people use the more accurate and specific word, "lies".

  38. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    Inside the scene at Bluesky, the possible Twitter replacement created by former CEO Jack Dorsey.

    Lol, good luck dude. What is this gonna be the "do you like have your posts and comments censored and controlled by the FBI and other federal agencies? Then do we have a microblogging site for you!"

  39. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    role of markets in delivering social justice. </I.

    None. Social justice means bolshevism.

  40. Jerry B.   2 years ago

    Misinformation:

    1. The winner of the IT branch’s beauty pageant.

    2. The racing hydroplane sponsored by IBM.

  41. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    I forget, is it the white smoke or the black smoke from the supreme court chimney that means pigs can fly?

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      Are we allowed to say "pig"? Fat people and Muslims....

  42. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago (edited)

    Has anyone here experienced lately employers demanding proof of Hepatitis B vaccination, or failing that, willingness to have one administered on site as a condition of employment?

    More importantly, am I right for finding this odd because the employer is not a brothel or tattoo parlor?

    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      I had to take a TB test to get a food handling card in Colorado. That's the closest I've ever seen to employers demanding proof of vaccination.

      1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago (edited)

        Do you think it’s odd that they are willing to provide one onsite for those unable to furnish proof of vaccination?

        This is not cleaning the movie booths at an adult theater or cleaning needles at a tattoo parlor. This is an IT job at a tech company.

        1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

          Not really. Just means it is important to them. Question is why.

          TB plus food equals bad. Hep B plus Java equals....? I dunno.

        2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

          Yeah, it does sound odd.

          Can you say more? Is this your employer? What company? Does the IT job require international travel?

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      As someone fully vaccinated against Hep B, I would still be concerned about a tech company where Hep B is a critical concern with regard to IT infrastructure.

      The old notion of regularly bathing your routers in human blood to reduce latency is just a myth.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        The old notion of regularly bathing your routers in human blood to reduce latency is just a myth.

        You mean my boss plugging me into an IV at my desk is not necessary? That bastard!

      2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

        Those are my thoughts as well, or, optimistically, they are trying to showcase the potential fun of company offsites

      3. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

        When were you vaccinated for this?

        1. mad.casual   2 years ago

          You're right, I should be more clear. I can demonstrate that I've been fully vaccinated against HepB. That was almost 20 yrs. ago and immunity has almost invariably waned since. However, I've held two previous positions outside the ~2-3 yr. window (not my current position) that required bloodborne pathogen experience that did not require me to update my vaccinations.

      4. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

        The funny thing is I said to him "Do you mean COVID vaccination?" and he is adamant that they require Hep B...

        1. mad.casual   2 years ago

          The only quasi-legit explanation to me is that there's travel involved to places that require it.

          Otherwise, I've worked and done IT work in places that had patient samples and/or BBPs and the idea that IT workers need to be vaccinated sets off all sorts of "Oh, hell no!" warning bells even from the perspective of "It's our job to work with BBPs." If new hires can't be protected internally from BBPs, are they calling in contractors and sending out parts and paperwork that might be carrying BBPs?

          1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

            I did IT work at Kaiser (4 years ago) medical offices up and down 99 and there was never anything like this

        2. mad.casual   2 years ago

          Am I correct in understanding this is from multiple employer*s*?

          1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

            This is one I am supposed to start at on Thursday but I have a couple final rounds which are much better roles between now and then so this may end up being much ado about nothing, but I still find it odd that the company is drawing a line in the sand for this.

            Where's John I need him?

        3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          So he doesn't have a sense of humor.

  43. Jokibif0   2 years ago

    It's "yea or nay", not "yay or nay". You're just voting "yes", not cheering.

  44. JesseAz   2 years ago

    No way it is only 2 days.

  45. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

    And both on almost the same subject. Yesterday it was racial justice/equity being actually libertarian and today, using markets for social justice. Anyone think she's brushing up her resume for Vanity Fair or The Atlantic?

  46. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Yep. Sadly too many believe his switching powers vs rights. Too many don't realize the constitution is a grant of limited powers.

  47. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 years ago

    At least Teen Reason could do a bit on AOC fashion tips.

  48. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

    Reason has a daily spot for "hey, fuck this authoritarian!" and it will be reserved for Ron Desantis until election 2024 is over, then a pause, then resumed for the next election

  49. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    We're talking about Ron DeSantis right now...

  50. Quo Usque Tandem   2 years ago

    I hear they play pussy bingo.

  51. perlmonger   2 years ago

    Vox.

  52. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

    She is bending the curve and headed toward KPFA....

  53. perlmonger   2 years ago

    Still don't understand why y'all let yourselves get wrapped around his shitposting axle.

  54. perlmonger   2 years ago

    Ed Gein for LP Presidential Candidate!

  55. SRG   2 years ago

    You don't have to believe it, but you should at least recognise that it suggests that the evidence of Russian involvement isn't entirely bogus or invented. But as you're a lying racist POS, who gives a shit what you believe?

  56. Sevo   2 years ago

    Given that you're an obnoxiously arrogant piece of shit, why would you imagine anyone cares about your idiotic beliefs?
    Fuck off and die, asshole.

  57. SRG   2 years ago

    So you're not challenging the "lying POS" description then. Haha.

  58. Sevo   2 years ago

    "So you’re not challenging the “lying POS” description then. Haha."

    Eat shit and die, asshole.

  59. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

    It would hurt me if I actually found myself being that full of shit. I don't know how people can summon the energy to be that dishonest. You have to work and train your brain to spout this nonsense.

  60. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    Hilarious.
    And he's even waging war in the comments underneath.

    The hallmark of a habitual liar is not remembering your own bullshit.

  61. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

    Now that was funny....

  62. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

    Just put your lips together and blow...

  63. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

    Hnnnh hnnnh he said blow.
    BTW, is the reboot vintage Judge or woke Judge?

  64. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

    Not woke. It’s pretty good. Vintage? I dunno about that.

  65. JesseAz   2 years ago

    He is too dumb to understand how dumb he is. It is amazing.

  66. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago (edited)

    I thought it was funny and despite my love of snootier humor, I am amazed by how the sophomoric humor on that show is never not fucking hilarious.

    Even in B&B Do America when the guy offers them 20K “To do his wife” those two snicker for 5 minutes thinking he is going to pay them to sleep with her. It's like Shot In The Dark. It is never not fucking hilarious

    "There is something...personal in this."
    "Yes. Deeply personal. I hate you; every bit of you. Now get out!!"
    "You want me to leave?"

    It definitely isn’t woke which isn’t to say it’s a right wing vehicle by any stretch. It’s just Beavis and Butthead with modern cultural references. If someone thought they were funny originally, they’ll like the reboot. If they didn’t think they were funny, they can sit there and rub their lobotomy scars.

  67. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   2 years ago

    Two candidates for funniest comment of the year are in this thread alone.

  68. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

    The new movie has a funny scene where they wander into a college classroom and are told about their white privilege.

    I agree B&B is hilarious, but “vintage” for them is the videos. Loving soundgarden and mocking poison, that kinda stuff. I mean, who the fuck is post Malone?

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