A Jury Acquitted Them of Various Charges. They Served Prison Time for Them Anyway.
The Supreme Court may soon consider if acquitted conduct sentencing is illegal.

Can you do prison time for a criminal charge of which you were never convicted?
I'd venture that most would assume the answer is "no." They would be wrong.
Known as acquitted conduct sentencing, the practice allows judges to bloat a prison term when sentencing a defendant by punishing them for a separate charge or charges on which a jury deemed them not guilty.
It's attracted a wide coalition of critics across the political spectrum. And now it may be heading to the Supreme Court, which will soon decide if it will consider one such challenge to the practice that has been deemed by many to be plainly illegal.
The petition in front of the high court concerns Dayonta McClinton, who, at 17 years old, robbed a CVS Pharmacy at gunpoint to steal drugs.* The government also alleged that he shot one of his conspirators, Malik Perry, though a jury ultimately acquitted McClinton of causing Perry's death.
But the court overseeing the case disregarded that acquittal, agreeing with the government's request that McClinton should explicitly serve time for a crime that the prosecutors failed to convince a jury he committed. The sentencing guidelines for McClinton's convictions prescribed a term of 57–71 months. He instead received 228 months, or 19 years.
McClinton is not the first. Americans for Prosperity (AFP), the libertarian-conservative think tank which filed an amicus brief on behalf of McClinton, synthesized several other unlucky defendants. Those include Erick Osby, who was convicted of two drug charges but sentenced as if he was convicted of seven; Roger White, who was acquitted on firearm charges but sentenced to an additional 14 years as if he had not been; and a group of men colloquially dubbed the "Congress Park Crew" that was convicted of distributing small amounts of crack cocaine but sentenced to terms between 15 and 19 years in prison, based on charges for which the jury handed down not-guilty verdicts.
The slate of briefs before the Court in support of McClinton is diverse. In addition to AFP, it includes petitions from the libertarian Cato Institute, the bipartisan Due Process Institute, the National Association of Federal Public Defenders and Families Against Mandatory Minimums, as well as, perhaps most notably, 17 retired federal judges from various presidential appointments and divergent ideological backgrounds.
But negative backlash to this practice has, for years, crisscrossed partisan lines, drawing uneasiness from Supreme Court Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Clarence Thomas and former Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Antonin Scalia, and Anthony Kennedy. The Court now has a chance to enshrine those reservations into law.*
*CORRECTION: The original version of this piece mischaracterized the crimes for which McClinton was convicted and the Supreme Court's official position on acquitted conduct sentencing.
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Have to admit that this could present a challenge to Roberts equivocating, but he is probably up to the task.
You are certainly correct.
After the lambasting the court got over the spring, I'm guessing he's extra motivated to do so, as well.
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Can Americans be held in solitary for 2 years without a trial for misdemonor charges?
Most Americans would say now, but here at reason. We know the answer is haha they voted for the wrong candidate
I used to think that Armin Hary had the world's fastest reaction time, but it turns out that it's American right-wingers engaged in whataboutism.
Good one shrike. Ignoring hypocrisy seems to be one of your favorite tactics. Are you for the DoJ tactics of the last 2 years? Why keep defending/ignoring it? Oh. It hurts your perceived enemies.
It's not hypocrocy. It's a 2 tierd legal system that reason champions for. They are subhuman trash same as everyone that supports this regime
Yeah, but those are "insurrectionists". One of them sat in Nancy's chair. They were cosplaying while engaging in civil disobedience.
They are just lucky they weren't executed by the capital police ala what's her name... Oh yeah, Ashley Babbit.
I was told here that it is perfectly libertarian to shoot trespassers on public property.
Don’t fear the revolt!
(insurrection)!
All our times have come
Here, but now they’re gone
Seasons don’t fear the revolt
Nor do the wind, the sun, or the rain
(We can be like they are)
Come on, baby
(Don’t fear the revolt)
Baby, take my hand
(Don’t fear the revolt)
We’ll be able to fly
Baby, I’m your man
La, la la, la la
La, la la, la la
Valentine is done
Here but now they’re gone
Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbs
Are together in eternity
(Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbitt)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel
Horst and Babbs both wanted to grab political power through violence, and got back, what they were dishing out. Karma is a bitch! Live by the sword, die by the sword!
Ashley Babbit, the woman trying to break into the Speaker’s Lobby at the head of a rioting mob with apparent intent to harm the Vice President, Congress members, their staff and guests. The mob that the police had no way of knowing at the time might be armed. That Ashley Babbit.
The one unarmed where video shows 3 cops on her side of the windows guns at the ground unconcerned.
That Ashley babbit.
Yes Mike. We know you are for killing unarmed political enemies if it helps the lefts narratives.
Saint Babbitt, dude. She's been canonized into the Church of Reagan.
'.... the Guidelines are now considered advisory only. Federal judges (state judges are not affected by the Guidelines) must calculate the guidelines and consider them when determining a sentence, but are not required to issue sentences within the guidelines. ...' Unless you can prove with evidence beyond a Reasonable doubt that the Judge intended to punish for a crime where there was an acquittal all of these sentences are legal.
A case in favor of Nullifying Jury Nullification?
Except Ray Epps, obviously. THAT guy deserves a puff piece in NYT and a shoutout from a 1/6 commission leader. Obviously.
How many imprisoned Jan. 6 defendants are currently in solitary confinement?
Well, let me begin to try to answer my own question.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/04/19/dc-jail-lockdown-covid/
This article, from a year and a half ago, describes solitary confinement in DC jails. That ALL 1500 prisoners were confined to their cells for ~23 hours/day in order to stop the spread of coronavirus. That the ACLU and a Democratic city councilman were opposed to this extreme lockdown and regard it as cruel and abusive.
So I am totally willing to accept the very real possibility that the DC prison system is cruel and abusive towards the Jan. 6 rioters imprisoned at the DC jail with their extreme coronavirus lockdown measures, along with all the rest of the inmates. Are you? It would require you, however, to give up on the idea that the DC prison system or the Biden admin is deliberately targeting Jan. 6 rioters for extreme punishment via solitary confinement. The prison system is horrible, but it is horrible to everyone. It does not appear to be specifically targeted against the Jan. 6 rioters.
Do you agree?
"They have been beaten by the guards they are called white supremacist. They are denied religious services, haircuts, shaving the ability to trim their fingernails. There's more outrageous things happening there. They're denied time with their attorneys. They are denied the ability to even see their families and have their families visit there. They are denied bail and being held there without bail," said Greene.
https://thepostmillennial.com/gop-reps-denounce-prison-conditions-for-january-6-defendants
Or should I talk about the non violent arrestee who was misplaced in transport for 9 months with complete denial of an initial hearing or lawyer? When the doj rushed to court the day of a required and mandated charging to date to bring one charge where he pled guilty due to the rushed indictment of a single charge only for the DoJ to convince the judge to ignore the plee and charge him with more?
Those facing over 2 years in jail for non violent acts.
You just wish they had all been shot that day.
Many denied bail even for non violent crimes. This is what you support.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/why-capitol-riot-defendants-being-held-without-bond-before-trial-january-6-congress/65-1e4d4dd6-eded-4187-85f1-d4dfcc3a9519
A man who ran over an 18 year old gets bail but not non violent protestors.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-dakota-man-freed-50k-bond-fatally-striking-republican-extremist-car-records-show
A man who shot a pro life activist not even arrested.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/still-no-charges-for-man-who-admits-to-shooting-84-year-old-pro-life-canvasser
Meanwhile lawyers who firebombed police cars had their sentences dramatically reduced charges.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-molotov-cocktail-lawyers-2020-george-floyd-riots-nypd-vehicle-reduced-sentence
It is a two tiered system based on politics you leftist shit weasel.
It includes a political congressional committee and the investigations of people not even at the riots.
https://www.independentsentinel.com/dojs-probes-innocent-j6-planners-and-speakers/
Basically jeff you're a leftist piece of shit supporting lawfare.
The RNC even had to go to court to stop the state from revealing the entire of their donors and funding strategy.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/09/politics/rnc-lawsuit-january-6-subpoena-salesforce/index.html
You support this abuse openly. Reason just ignores it.
Jesse, you are trying to push a political oppression narrative.
There is an element of truth that the imprisoned Jan. 6 rioters in DC are being mistreated. But the evidence suggests that the mistreatment is not due to political oppression, it is due to a heavy-handed over-the-top coronavirus lockdown regime which affects ALL the prisoners, not just the Jan. 6 rioters.
“They have been beaten by the guards they are called white supremacist. They are denied religious services, haircuts, shaving the ability to trim their fingernails. There’s more outrageous things happening there. They’re denied time with their attorneys. They are denied the ability to even see their families and have their families visit there. They are denied bail and being held there without bail,” said Greene.
With the possible exception of the 'white supremacist' accusation, everything that Greene wrote about the mistreatment of the imprisoned Jan. 6 rioters is likely true, AS WELL AS true about the mistreatment of EVERY OTHER prisoner in the DC jail.
I note that you are concerned only about the mistreatment of the few dozen Jan. 6 rioters, and are utterly unmoved by the equally bad mistreatment of the other 1400+ inmates at the DC jail. Why is that?
It's because the rest of the inmates are irrelevant to your political oppression narrative. In fact their existence undermines your narrative - because if right-wing media actually reported that the mistreatment that the Jan. 6 rioters are facing is actually being faced by ALL the inmates, it becomes harder to push the "Biden is an evil villain punishing his political enemies with solitary confinement as a weapon" narrative.
This is so typical of the modern right nowadays, and one big reason why I despise Team Red now. The only people who matter to you all in your world are yourselves and your tribal allies. Everyone else is literally irrelevant. Jan. 6 rioters are mistreated in DC jails, and the only thing that you and your tribal allies can think of is "How can we use their mistreatment to push right-wing, anti-Biden oppression narratives?" NOT about trying to fix the problems in the jails generally. NOT about highlighting the mistreatment of ALL the prisoners. Nope, it is only about pushing what is most helpful and beneficial to Team Red.
Migrants face starvation and death trying to come to this country seeking asylum and a better life, and your tribe treats them like disposable garbage human beings despite the incredible hardship that they face. Yet conservatives are kicked off of fucking Twitter for questionable reasons, and it's treated like Stalinist oppression come to life.
Look at you in this very discussion. You bring up legal cases that are completely irrelevant to the Jan. 6 riots. But because, in YOUR world, they were decided differently than what you thought was just, you must frame it all in terms of unfair treatment based on politics. Do you even bother to investigate the details of each case, take into account the rules of different jurisdictions? Do you even bother to note that even if some case in North Dakota is decided wrongly, it has nothing to do with Jan. 6?
So I agree that the imprisoned Jan. 6 rioters are being treated poorly in DC jails, along with all of the other prisoners there. I definitely do think that the absurd covid lockdown rules were abusive and cruel, towards the Jan. 6 rioters along with all of the other prisoners there. I think that those responsible for the mistreatment should be held accountable, those that mistreated the Jan. 6 rioters along with all of the other prisoners there.
But I don't agree with your political oppression narrative, because it does not stand up to scrutiny.
And by the way. I am willing to admit that Marjorie Taylor Greene has a point here in pointing out the mistreatment of the Jan. 6 rioters, even though I utterly loathe and despise her as a fraud and a moron. It's because she happens to be right in this case despite her idiocy.
JesseAZ doesn't like the idea that the 1/6 rioters are being treated as though they were African-American.
Perhaps if his law-and-order pals hadn't been so willing to underfund prisons and over-confine people, and to be generally complacent about bad condition because, hey, it's not our guys in prison, then they wouldn't have these complaints.
His people are finding out that equal treatment sucks when that treatment is in a US prison.
JesseAz hates all Democrats. He doesn't evaluate people as individuals. Politics is all he needs to know. And since black Americans tend to be Democrats, he just hates black people. Doesn't give them a chance. They're probably Democrats. It's funny because he comes across as racist, but he's not. He only hates blacks because he assumes they're on the other political team.
And his wife is a cow. He never said she wasn't. That means she is.
Shrike. Digging deep there. Pure idiocy with that one.
I get you guys love the deep state and want authoritarianism in your lives.
Don't you have some minority conservatives to call uncle toms and tokens.
I don't like the idea of a deep state and don't want authoritarian rule. It's just notable that right-wingers like you don't give a shit about it as long as it's not one of your own, and then all of a sudden you discover civil rights.
The point remains, that what's happening to some of the 1/6 rioters is no different from the routine experience of other prisoners in the US system, and you never cared about the deficiencies of that system until now.
It’s just notable that right-wingers like you don’t give a shit about it as long as it’s not one of your own, and then all of a sudden you discover civil rights.
yup. they confuse liberty with narcissism.
lolololololol
Swing and three misses.
It's so cute when they try and team up against someone that provided 7 links to support his own argument and all they can do is tut-tut and, like Sarcasmic, just straight up lie.
Very funny stuff guys.
But the links do NOT support his assertion. He is just flooding the zone with bullshit hoping you won't notice. It is the Internet version of the Gish Gallop.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
He just throws shit at the wall and hopes you'll be impressed by the sheer quantity of shit.
Kind of like how the life sentence in the Silk Road case was decided based on facts not presented at trial.
Messages were sent.
It’s happening, it’s everything you said it was, and it’s a good thing.
I'm not transgender but having the weight of all of that top tissue taken off of my aging shoulders sounds pretty cool. Next step is that skull thing.
You mean, that for a very small number of individuals, gender reassignment surgery can have positive effects, and that this can be measured and studied scientifically? You mean, that because gender reassignment surgery has beneficial outcomes for some transgender individuals, it doesn't mean that it will work for everyone under every situation? How terrible! It must instead be the case that gender reassignment surgery never works and always harms patients and that's that.
Bigot. How can you dare call it gender reassignment surgery. Their gender was always male. The doctors aren't reassigning anything. This is gender alignment surgery, you fucking bigot.
Funny you mention that, that's why they changed the terminology (again) to "gender affirmation surgery"
And Jeff continues to ignore the science leading Europe to back away, the skyrocketing transition regret rates and everything else because he likes child abuse.
https://www.commonsense.news/p/the-beginning-of-the-end-of-gender
Youre a sick destructive fuck.
https://psychcentral.com/blog/the-surprising-history-of-the-lobotomy
You want to compare gender reassignment surgery to lobotomy? Well then. From your own link:
So the real problem with lobotomy is not that it exists in the first place, but that it was overused and prescribed inappropriately. Moreover, it was never banned, and it is actually still in use, in a refined (and renamed) form. Finally - and this is the important part - even when it was overused, and even today, the lobotomy/cingulotomy procedure actually helps a small number of people. It is not 100% bad, it is not 100% evil, it is not a sign of moral degeneracy. It is a valid medical procedure that must be used very carefully and selectively.
So I am totally fine with comparing gender reassignment surgery with lobotomies. Both are very drastic life-altering surgeries. But don't ban them. Require doctors to follow a strict standard of care when recommending them. And leave the decision on whether or not to get one up to the doctors and the patients involved.
Sound good to you? Huh?
The only other thing I would state is that neither procedure should be performed on children too young to properly understand and consent.
Holy Shit!
"We shot a bunch of teenage girls, a demographic notorious for all sorts of hormonal neuroses and body dysphorias, full of testosterone, gave the ones with the most testosterone mastectomies, and noted that they enjoyed getting their breasts lopped off the most."
The rest of the study reads like it was conducted by a teenage girl and published with the help of an AI:
If my 13 yr. old said something like this, I'd know he's spent maybe 2 weeks asking his friends.
Holy shit did COVID fuck up any notion of longitudinal studies, scientific rigor, or ethics.
Is this the study that estimated satisfaction after only 9 months and never followed up after?
Yes. This is the study that did a follow up in under a year. Here is an anti surgery activist who formerly had the surgery.
Chloe Cole ⭐️ @ChoooCole · Follow A 3 month follow up is not enough time to make judgements on quality of life improvements for double mastectomy in children and young adults. I got my surgery years ago and I’m still having complications. Also, losing 13% due to follow up is pretty significant.
From the cbs article.
Three months after surgery, the patients who had the procedure experienced significantly less chest dysphoria than they had prior to surgery, while patients in the control group experienced around the same levels of chest dysphoria as they had at the start of their care.
13% loss due to followup sounds bad, but it's especially bad when you have such an infintessimal sample size. That's 4 people who stopped responding to the queries. This is despite undergoing major life-altering treatment.
It's well known in medicine that one major reason for dropping out of studies is negative reactions. If those 4 people had major negatives, then that would swing the entire conclusion around. It gets even worse once you consider the political implications, where expressing regret about a transition is considered betrayal.
I can say with confidence that the conclusion of this paper was composed, if not actually written before the study even began.
Yes we know. Studies that produce results that you don't like lack rigor and ethics.
You didnt even bother to read the study nor the issues with it. Just like you didn't even realize past studies you've used for defense were eventually retracted. Because to you honesty doesn't matter, just the narratives.
This is like the study finding support for sex workers in RI conducted by the sex workers alliance of RI. It’s really astounding the stats aren’t better.
After full or whatever custom tailored mastectomies,
the majorityaround half of these women were still not significantly different from their control peers. Their chest dismorphia was decreased, but was still present. This is even amplified in the body image scale measure, which barely budged. It seems an awful lot like these girls picture themselves as 6’4″ tall, bulletproof men and the surgery is only treating a symptom of that false image. A large portion of these patients aren’t some manner of intersex or gender queer or whatever, they’re plain old delusional. Some more delusional post-op than their non-surgical peers.WT...A...F?
IF acquitted conduct sentencing is illegal?
Isn't it already a crime -- kidnapping and false imprisonment? Shouldn't people be prosecuted for that?
This is the part I don't understand. What are sentencing "guidelines"? I thought sentences had limits prescribed by law. You can't give someone the death penalty for shoplifting, so how can you give them 228 months for a crime that carries at most 71 months?
how can you give them 228 months for a crime that carries at most 71 months?
"Fuck you, that's how."
-every government official ever
If the statutory range is "not more than" 20 years (with no minimum at all, like the 18USC1951 charge in this case), guidelines tell you where inside that range it should be based on factors weighing in favor of higher or lower within the statutory range, according to the people who make the guidelines.
This case concerns, e.g. if the guidelines range was 5-8 years because it was a first time offender, etc, and the judge gave them the full 20 citing conduct for which they had been acquitted as why it wasn't an abuse of discretion to max out someone who would ordinarily get somewhere far less in the statutory range.