'Seditious Conspiracy' Charges for Proud Boys Taint January 6 Prosecutions
Normal criminal law covers the alleged acts without politicizing proceedings.

You don't have to be sympathetic to the January 6 rioters and their tantrum over the outcome of the 2020 presidential election to have serious doubts about the U.S. government filing seditious conspiracy charges against the former leader of the Proud Boys and other members of the organization. While the law isn't the straight-up attack on free speech represented by past laws against sedition, it is an inherently political charge most often wielded by insecure officials against political adversaries. To the extent that the defendants did what prosecutors claim, the acts are already covered by laws that don't evoke the stink of show trials.
"A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned a superseding indictment today charging five members of the Proud Boys, including the group's former national chairman, with seditious conspiracy and other charges for their actions before and during the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021," according to the U.S. Department of Justice. "As alleged in the indictment, from in or around December 2020, [Henry "Enrique"] Tarrio and his co-defendants, all of whom were leaders or members of the Ministry of Self Defense [chapter of the Proud Boys], conspired to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the Electoral College vote, and to oppose by force the authority of the government of the United States. On Jan. 6, 2021, the defendants directed, mobilized and led members of the crowd onto the Capitol grounds and into the Capitol, leading to dismantling of metal barricades, destruction of property, breaching of the Capitol building, and assaults on law enforcement. During and after the attack, Tarrio and his co-defendants claimed credit for what had happened on social media and in an encrypted chat room."
The language of the announcement invokes that of the seditious conspiracy law, which addresses people who "conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof."
As the Justice Department notes, the defendants' alleged actions are already addressed by other laws regarding obstruction of official proceedings, interfering with police, civil disorder, destruction of government property, and assaulting officers. "All defendants now face a total of nine charges and Pezzola faces an additional robbery charge," the announcement adds. Seditious conspiracy is thrown in as a 20-years-in-prison cherry on top specifically referencing plans to interfere in the electoral vote tally.
"This is just a special case of the broader proposition that conspiring to commit a crime can itself be a crime," the UCLA School of Law's Eugene Volokh noted in fall 2020 before the January 6 riot but as Americans already accused one another of betraying the republic. "Likewise, you can be punished under the 'seditious conspiracy' statute for conspiring to illegally oppose the enforcement of the law."
But, if this is a cherry on top, it's a rotten cherry with inherently political overtones. That's why the law lay relatively unused and almost forgotten for decades, until it was invoked in 2020 by then-Attorney General William Barr as a weapon against left-wing rioters.
"In the call last week, Mr. Barr urged prosecutors to seek federal charges whenever possible," The Wall Street Journal reported at the time. "He listed a number of additional statutes they could potentially use, including one addressing conspiracies or plots to overthrow the government. Legal experts say the rarely used statute could be difficult to prove in court."
That's when Volokh clarified the term for readers and legal experts began pushing back on the idea.
"Sedition is, roughly speaking, the crime of either rebelling against the government or inciting other people to do so," Harvard Law School's Noah Feldman warned. "It's the sort of crime that weak governments enforce against their citizens when the government is facing an existential threat — or thinks it is."
Feldman went on to warn that the use of such charges against protesters, however violent, who were motivated by concerns over police brutality and racial disparities was an "outrageous attempt to politicize the criminal justice system."
George Washington University Law School's Jonathan Turley agreed with Feldman about the danger of politicizing the criminal justice system. He added that other laws already covered rioters' alleged acts.
"The Justice Department has already been hitting rioters hard with criminal charges that bring lengthy sentences," Turley commented. "The use of sedition seems virtually gratuitous given those options. These protests are a mix of violent and nonviolent actors. Those who act violently have been charged with an array of serious offenses from battery to rioting to arson to conspiracy. When presented with a mix of such actors, the government has long used restraint and relied on conventional charges to avoid injecting heavily laden notions of sedition into the debate."
Since 2020, the players have changed; Oath Keepers (charged with seditious conspiracy in January) and Proud Boys replace antifa as the targets of the federal government's ire. Now, as then, the defendants face a host of charges alleging acts including violence with seditious conspiracy a seemingly gratuitous addition to the mix. That partisan inversion of roles is nothing new; in fact, it's the norm as power changes hands.
"The history of sedition prosecutions is rife with injustices, and the precedent, once established, becomes a grotesque Frankenstein monster," historian David Beito observed in Reason after the Capitol riot. "In many cases, the same people demanding prosecutions end up, when political fashions change, facing prosecution for the same offense."
It's difficult to avoid the conclusion that Attorney General Merrick Garland and his staff are piling political charges on top of traditional criminal charges against people whose right-wing beliefs they despise just as his predecessor, Bill Barr, did against left-wingers. The political overtones that once caused prosecutors to shy from wielding the law may now be an irresistible temptation for government officials in a painfully divided country. Unfortunately, in succumbing to the temptation to pursue politicized charges, government officials risk turning defendants into political martyrs.
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Agreed! Threatening to hang Mike Pence is already against the law! (Except if you are The Donald).
Hang Mike Pence! Don’t Fear the Revolt!
(According to The Gospel of The Donald)
Don’t fear the revolt!
(insurrection)!
All our times have come
Here, but now they’re gone
Seasons don’t fear the revolt
Nor do the wind, the sun, or the rain
(We can be like they are)
Come on, baby
(Don’t fear the revolt)
Baby, take my hand
(Don’t fear the revolt)
We’ll be able to fly
Baby, I’m your man
La, la la, la la
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Valentine is done
Here but now they’re gone
Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbs
Are together in eternity
(Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbitt)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel
Ashley Judd blow up the white house
Dumb psychotic rant
Horst and Babbs both wanted to grab political power through violence, and got back, what they were dishing out. Karma is a bitch! Live by the sword, die by the sword!
Refute it, bitch!
Oh keyboard warrior. I'm done with you. I really try and type what I'd be willing to say in person. You would need a dentist and possibly 911 at a minimum.
Later
Pussy-shit is defeated by the FACTS, and an inability to refute! Scored one for the good guys!
You didn't preset any facts, sarcasmic. You posted the same copypasta you've been randomly shitting onto every Reason.com article for 5 years because you're a stupid drunken piece of subhuman shit.
See facts below. Can you READ?
Horst and Babbs both wanted to grab political power through violence, and got back, what they were dishing out.
Your idiotic comparison of an unarmed woman shot to death by a racist piece of shit cop in 2021 and a Nazi who died before the part of you that would have developed into a brain dripped down your mother's asshole is not a fact, sarcasmic. It's you being a historically illiterate clown unable to make even the most facile analogies because you are stupid. Hope that helps!
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“or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof."
How many BLM protesters have been charged with seditious conspiracy?
Refute, hahaha.
Poor Brian Sicknick was your Horst Wessel, ᛋᛋqrlsy you Nazi fuck.
The poor guy had an unrelated stroke and you turned him into a Horst Wessel. Laying him in state in the Rotunda, special honour guard, burial at Arlington, hymns composed about him, the whole nine yards.
The only actual Nazis are you, you're corporatist pals and your Big Lie about Jan 6.
This is YOU, MammaryBahnFuhrer!
“Many status-obsessed, yet marginalized individuals experience a ‘Need for Chaos’ and want to ‘watch the world burn.'”
From…
https://www.salon.com/2021/08/08/a-terrifying-new-theory-fake-news-and-conspiracy-theories-as-an-evolutionary-strategy/
A terrifying new theory: Fake news and conspiracy theories as an evolutionary strategy
Social scientist Michael Bang Petersen on why people believe outrageous lies — as a tool in violent group conflict
Exactly. That's the Big Lie I'm talking about. Thanks for posting the proof of my point, Nazi scum.
Are you saying there is no way the stress of the day, elevated heart rates and high blood pressure contributed to the stroke that day? Thanks for clarifying Doc.
Maybe if his stroke was caused by a hemorrhage and had happened during the riots when his heart rate and blood pressure actually were elevated, but it wasn't and didn't.
I can't imagine by now that you didn't know that he died of a stroke from a blood clot (which isn't caused by elevated heart rate and blood pressure) that occurred a day later, so I'm going to assume that you're here to lie.
I think you Godwinned that one.
Wouldn't it be awesome if you hadn't outed this sock well over a dozen times posting your Sqrsly pasta from your sarcasmic account?
Oh look. The troll has a new account. How many this week?
The question is still a valid one sqrlsy.
Probably around 3. I have to work at a job so that you can sit your drug addicted, alcoholic, mentally ill ass on welfare, so I'm not able to post here 16 hours per day 7 days per week 365 days per year like you, sarcasmic.
He brings up a good point. But the number one rule of the con is never give up the con. No matter how ridiculous you look.
United States Blues--Grateful Dead
Sedition! Please.
We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
They had to hit someone with charges that would justify continuing to call Jan 6th 2021 an insurrection.
Someone made some money when the wheel landed on 'Proud Boys'.
Bingo.
Exactly. It's laying the groundwork for trying to invoke Section 3 of the 14th amendment against as many Republicans as possible.
It's exactly that.
On nearly exactly the 1-year anniversary of J6, after a full year of Dems calling it an insurrection, people were starting to point out how dumb that was since no one had been charged with insurrection. So they charged the Oath Keepers with "seditious conspiracy" (figuring that's close enough to insurrection) to satisfy the argument that an insurrection happened. Their evidence of this seditious conspiracy is that people who came to the capitol expected to be attacked by Antifa (as in numerous past cases) and prepared to have some brawlers waiting in the wings to bail them out. Because the group of people charged (who are predominantly military vets) called these brawlers waiting in the wings a quick reaction force or QRF (a military term) formed into a stack (a military term for a line) they concluded that there was a military-style attack taking place, even though it was carried out by entirely unarmed people who may not have even assaulted anyone. The bulk of their logic for this charge is the fact that some self-important vets continue to use military terminology in benign circumstances, rather than any actual coherrent plan to overthrow the government.
Anyways, the latest seditious conspiracy charges now against the Proud Boys come right before the J6 committee is set to start of its made-for-prime-time hearings. Those who had cried that J6 was the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War have been steadily losing public opinion on this issue for months and so this latest batch of seditious conspiracy charges was done to give this stuff a second wind.
This is an exercise in public relations and nothing more.
As the author pointed out sedition "is an inherently political charge most often wielded by insecure officials against political adversaries" because the Democrats are insecure.
There's good reason for the Democrats to be insecure. First, it was their police departments that oppressed blacks and the poor, including murdering George Floyd, that led them to distract us with the Defund the Police movement, trying to place the blame on racist cops (and Trump of course) when they hire, train and manage those "racist" cops. Second, the Afghanistan withdrawal was an unbelievable screw up making the US an untrustworthy partner in foreign policy. Third, Biden's inflation is hurting everyone, especially people who are retired. While Biden had great promises in the debates and campaign, he's completely unable to deliver anything but more problems. Fourth, they're afraid of being exposed the way Trump exposed them as lying conspirators.
THIS ARTICLE DOESN’T EXIST!!!! Aaaarghhh!! Gargle! Fart!
Maybe now he will start acting like he is against the j6 prosecutions even though he has laughed and despised these people for a year. Rebrand to he was always publicly against it like he tried yesterday.
Hey, I've got an idea. Why don't you lie some more, make stuff up, attack strawmen, and post irrelevant quotes?
I'm still waiting for your posts from you saying you were always against it. You claimed you've said it so many times, yet oddly can't find a single instance.
I don't need to prove what I said. The burden of proof is on you, the accuser.
You've got ad hominem, and strawman down, and now you're going for switching the burden of proof?
If it wasn't for fallacies you wouldn't have any arguments.
I posted my proof you fucking dumbass.
How do I post a negative. My argument is yesterday was the first time you said you were against it when backed into a corner. Prior to that you've dismissed and made fun of the protestors. I posted evidence.
To counter my argument you have to post you saying it was bad prior.
Or are you asking me to post every comment you've made since j6 to prove the negative? God damn you are stupid.
Whenever I disagree with strawmen of your creation, your response is that I'm back-peddling or in this case "backed into a corner" because you're a piece of shit liar who argues against deliberate misinterpretations and strawmen, while waging personal attacks.
Keep it up. Keep up the lies. Keep up the strawmen. Keep up the attacks.
It makes your troll buddies hard, while everyone else thinks you're an ass.
Where is your citation. You just said you agree with non violent progestors facing 20 years in this thread.
sarcasmic
June.8.2022 at 10:27 am
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Charges of trespassing, vandalism and interfering with government business are sufficient. No need to add political crimes to the list.
I didn't realize that the 20 was from the interfering charge.
I admit to being ill informed. 20 is indeed excessive.
Yet you argued for it out of ignorance for months because of your personal feelings towards Jesse. Time for some self reflection bud.
R Mac, Sarc has a lot of complicated feelings for Jesse. Like a schoolboy, he doesn’t know how to express these feelings in a clear, mature way. But he will NEVER mute him. Sarc has nothing here without Jesse.
Sarc is The Joker, and Jesse is his Batman.
God damn. So for the last year your defense of this shit has been based on ignorance.
If this article doesn't exist, then neither does your comment, or this one either.
It exists... it's just a year and a half late.
The political overtones that once caused prosecutors to shy from wielding the law may now be an irresistible temptation for government officials in a painfully divided country.
Most people really don't give much of a shit about politics - and aren't that divided. Stop blaming them for this shit.
The political class and activists and bureaucrats and people who believe politics is the most important thing in the US (including many commenters and maybe authors here on a basically political website) are not just divided. They are eager to USE the divisions among themselves in order to sociopathically manipulate everyone else. To use that bogus division for their own power grabs.
Tribe "A" needs tremendous POWER in order to keep said Tribe "A" safe from the witches, warlocks, and sub-humans of Tribe "B", and vice versa!
It's been this way for a LOOOOONG time!
“My tribe’s violence GOOD, your tribe’s violence BAD” seem to be behavior-genetics-wise embedded into the human brain, sad to say. But genetics isn’t destiny! Awareness of this whole thing is the first step towards fixing it! We DO have free will; we aren’t just “meat puppets”!
It does get worse, however. We aren’t merely just self-righteous by genetic programming; we are also prone to making up lies about our “tribal enemies”, in order to justify attacking them! Not to make you retch, but please recall your history. And not to pick on Christians too much; this is just the history that I am most familiar with. Dark-ages Christians spread horrible lies about “witches” (pre-Christian Wiccans, pagans, etc.) in order to justify witch-burnings, witch-drownings, etc. And the same with rumors about Jews and (ugh!) drinking the blood of Christian babies, etc. (Sorry I had to go there).
This, too, may be at least somewhat genetically programmed. See https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/566982-terrifying-new-study-says-our-conspiracy-theory-epidemic and (same thing) https://www.salon.com/2021/08/08/a-terrifying-new-theory-fake-news-and-conspiracy-theories-as-an-evolutionary-strategy/
A terrifying new theory: Fake news and conspiracy theories as an evolutionary strategy.
Social scientist Michael Bang Petersen on why people believe outrageous lies — as a tool in violent group conflict.
So we instinctively hold fast to the lies that we WANT to believe, to mark our tribal allegiances! And to pre-justify “my tribe’s violence GOOD, and YOUR tribe’s violence BAD!” This is next to impossible to “educate away”, since it is so primordial. It’s not a matter of FACTS; it is FAR more so, a matter of tribal alliances and allegiances, and political (and even physical, in times of war) survival.
The true nature of reality has very-very little to do with short-term political success. That’s what the above-cited article is all about! Short-term political success has MUCH more to do with signaling that “I am part of OUR tribe! I hold ALL of the wacky beliefs that OUR tribe holds, whether they are true, or not! My tribe’s violence GOOD; THEIR tribe’s violence is BAD! So when our tribal chieftain is looking to whack the bad guys with a stick… Remember! I am one of the GOOD guys! I go with the untruths of OUR tribe, NOT those of the BAD tribe!”
Dear Reader, I’m sorry to rain on your parade! All I can add, that amounts to much, is that Love is the anti-dote to the above. “Love” most certainly includes resisting tribal stupidity, and treating individuals as individuals, not as mere representatives of their tribes. Sometimes, due to “do-gooder derogation”, your doing the right things will get you killed! Just as Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi, and Martin Luther King Jr. were killed for speaking moral-ethical truths, often largely concerning this exact same thing!
Love wins in the end! Keep the Faith!
Not sure that tribalism is long-lasting at all. The WW2 generation was not particularly tribal at all imo. Maybe that was a problem for libertarian notions because that generation was also the source of a lot of 'bipartisan' 'let's have a government commission to solve this problem' stuff.
Tribalism waxes and wanes, and moves around to different issues. In the WW II timeframe, tribalism sure had some ugly field days in black-white issues and in straights repressing gays. And in communists and socialists being driven out of jobs, with people in power assuming that they were ALWAYS disloyal to the USA. Oh, and the good booze-drinking folks punishing the pot-smokers, too.
You're a worthless old piece of shit, sarcasmic, but you're not *that* old. How's your imaginary wife doing by the way? Is she still at imminent risk of dying from COVID or did her cancer magically go into remission once you were done riding your mask hobby horse?
The magical cancer that is immune to every disease except covid.
The WWII Gen was largely homogenous and shared a common culture and common values. It’s a lot easier to be bipartisan when the differences don’t go so deep.
I fail to see how D.C can possibly provide a fair trial to any of the defendants of these absurd charges.
“provide a fair trial”
Hahahahahahahahaha!
"A fair trial" is when MY Tribe wins! Conclusions and sentences first; THEN the trial!
“My Tribe’s Holy Lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD; your tribe’s evil lies leading to violence against My Tribe BAD”.
Pretty synopsis of your apologetics for actual murders, rapists, rioters and violent psychopaths while calling for the summary execution of non-violent protesters for walking around the very much public US capitol building.
“My Tribe’s Holy Lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD
YOUR tribe shot and killed a woman on January 6th. YOUR tribe burned DC. YOUR tribe tried to declare parts of this country autonomous.
And YOUR tribe has been screeching since at least 2000 that any person elected who isn't part of YOUR tribe, particularly the president is illegitimate, or stole the election.
The only holy lies here are the ones that are the heart an dead blasted soul of YOUR tribe--because they're all you have.
All due to a personality CULT set up by a lying ex-POTUS who will STILL not take back His Big Lie!
Orange-dick-suckers will NEVER stop sucking orange dick!
Der TrumpfenFuhrer ***IS*** responsible for agitating for democracy to be replaced by mobocracy!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses.
Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.
Trump’s constant re-telling and supporting the Big Lie (any election not electing Trump is “stolen”) set up the environment for this (insurrection riot) to happen. He shares the blame. Boys will be boys? Insurrectionists will be insurrectionists, trumpanzees gone apeshit will be trumpanzees gone apeshit, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Trump was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
It really should immediately make us think of Krystallnacht. Hitler and the NAZIs set up for this by constantly blaming Jews for all things bad. Jew-haters will be Jew-haters, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Hitler was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
SHILLSY'S BIG LIE
Not advocacy of violent sedition
"there will be blood in the streets” - Loretta Lynch
“Who says protests have to be peaceful“ - Cuomo
“There needs to be unrest in the streets” - Ayanna Pressley
“Protesters should not give up” - Kamala Harris
“I just don’t know why they aren’t uprising all over this country“ - Nancy Pelosi
“You get out and create a crowd and you push back on them, tell them they are not welcome“ - Maxine Waters
Advocacy of violent sedition
“Go home with love and peace, remember this day forever“ - Donald J Trump, January 6, 2020
HarKKK all ye lowly peons to the Great "Expert Christian Theologian"!
Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, Supreme Demonic Director of Decay, Destruction, and Death, will now SPEAK! HARKKK silently and RESPECTFULLY, all ye lowly heathens, as She Directs Death, and announces WHICH few of us MIGHT deserve to live, and WHO all deserves to DIE-DIE-DIE!!!
https://reason.com/2022/01/25/did-these-three-officers-willfully-deprive-george-floyd-of-his-constitutional-rights/?comments=true#comment-9323626
“You should really join ᛋᛋqrlsy, ᛋᛋhrike. You two goosestepping fascists offing yourselves would definitely be a mitzvah.”
-Quote MammaryBahnFuhrer the "Expert Christian Theologian"
So Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, Supreme Demonic Director of Decay, Destruction, and Death... WHEN are You going to STOP stealing the IDs of Your victims, and then posting kiddie porn in THEIR names, and then blaming THEM?
Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!
“You should really join ᛋᛋqrlsy, ᛋᛋhrike. You two goosestepping fascists offing yourselves would definitely be a mitzvah.”
I stand proudly behind that it comment you evil Nazi fuck. I restate it in fact.
You can be just like the guy who killed Hitler, you greasy shithead.
" victims, and then posting kiddie porn in THEIR names"
Look everyone, the freakshow is trying to excuse Shrike's posting of child pornography links again. There's nothing more disgusting and evil than a pedophile enabler.
Explains too why he was so onboard with kids strip shows yesterday.
Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, Supreme Demonic Director of Decay, Destruction, and Death, is a well-documented ID thief! (As justified by Her Christian Theology, no doubt.)
See https://reason.com/2021/03/21/why-we-still-shouldnt-censor-misinformation/#comment-8818090 and then also slightly above it, where one can SEE that Mamma the Moosefucker is the same as Evil O0O0O0NE Junior the ID thief (as well as Expert Theologian)!
Mammary-Fuhrer tries to pretend to NOT understand that the supposed doings of accused persons, can ACTUALLY have been done by "identity thieves"... Despite Mammary-Fuhrer, herself, being an identity thief! (This is above and beyond the "Big Lie" thing of endless repeated lies, with no proof offered).
Hey MammaryBahnFuhrer… How is Your new org coming along? Are You gaining many new converts and perverts to “Expert Christian Theologians for Identity Theft?” And where do we sign up for your newsletter?
In https://reason.com/2021/03/21/why-we-still-shouldnt-censor-misinformation/#comment-8818090 Mamma fesses to her being an identity-thief and sock!
chemjeff radical individualist
March.21.2021 at 4:27 pm
Uh oh, I think you left your sock on.
Reply
1. SQRLSY 0ne
March.21.2021 at 5:06 pm
Yeah, sigh.
Hey MammaryBahnFuhrer, Expert Christian Theologian! Did Jesus appear to You in a vision, and tell You that ID theft is a GREAT, wonderful thing? Or ARE You Jesus, returned to us, maybe? Are You necrophiliac-Jesus, push-people-to-suicide Jesus?
The only ID thief here is you, Sqrlsy.
"Did Jesus appear to You in a vision"
No. Zoroaster and Confucius did, and they said to tell you that you're a piece of shit.
Speaking of Nazis:
"SQRLSY One
September.30.2020 at 12:53 pm
Yes! This FURTHER proves that Hitler was NOT a racist!
Since even Hitler wasn’t a racist, we can pretty firmly conclude that racism isn’t a “thing” at all!
"SQRLSY One
November.1.2020 at 8:51 am
Here, this is a pretty good match! Every asshole is a good, right, and TRUE, benevolent asshole!
“My spirit will rise from the grave and the world will see I was right.”
― Adolf Hitler
SQRLSY One
November.15.2020 at 3:00 pm
Flute Police are authorized to use everything up to and including field artillery, and nuclear weapons, to enforce The LAW, dammit, citizen, so OBEY!
Unauthorized civilians are NOT allowed to play the WRONG kinds of flutes!!! Capisce?
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/34787-germans-who-wish-to-use-firearms-should-join-the-ss
“Germans who wish to use cheap plastic lung flutes should join the SS or the SA — ordinary citizens don’t need these deadly lung flutes, as their having cheap plastic lung flutes doesn’t serve the State.”
― Heinrich Himmler
SQRLSY One
April.4.2022 at 8:14 pm
All Hail the book-burners! Sieg Heil!
Hey Mamma the Highly Esteemed, Expert Christian Theologian!
https://reason.com/2021/03/24/for-the-first-time-a-majority-of-republicans-support-same-sex-marriage/#comment-8822506
Have you figured out yet, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Many of us are waiting with bated breath!
Also, how is Your Followership building up? I mean, for Your “Expert Theologians for Worshipful Methods of Identity Theft”? Where do we subscribe to Your Newsletter?
Hear, hear, HEAR ye the self-righteous preachings of MammaryBahnFuhrer! (Imported below). She knows JUST the right “Popular-with-the-Cool-Kids-in-Her-Own-Mind” theology to espouse, along with wearing JUST the right purse, hairstyle, whorestyle, and other accessories! Meanwhile, in the EXACT same source, She engaged in identity theft! Her heart, in truth, is a ravening black hole of hypocrisy, greedy self-righteousness, and other evils!
Now, the preachings of The Great Mammary. Note that She picks the verses that say that the right BELIEFS and whorestyles get you “in” with the “in” crowd, and then you’re free to engage in ID theft and other evils, at will!
Mammary-style whorestyles - preachings below:
It amazes me how Americans living in a purportedly Christian culture don't even understand the basic tenets of its theology.
Pretty much the whole point of Christianity is that everyone has sinned and is worthy of damnation so God became a human and took our punishment for us. And the libertarian angle is, that you still have a choice to accept or reject the gift already given.
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 6:23 ESV: For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 3:16-17 ESV: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
We can pick and chose our Bible verses to justify ANY evils we WANT TO justify! And YOU equate "fashionable theology to justify ANY evil shit that I want to do" with Your fashionable hairstyle and whorestyle! Got the right fashionable BELIEFS, and so then The Queen can do WHATEVER she wants! Your BELIEFS will protect You from the consequences of Your evil actions? Do You not GET this, Oh Fashionable Queen of the Internet Cesspools?
"By their fruits, you will know them", is something that Jesus said. DEEDS, not "Magic Beliefs"!
So Great Theologian... How about Your DEEDS? Like identity theft? Was it YOU who stole "Buttplug the First"'s ID, to post child porn under his ID? How can we know either way, for SURE (how can we believe any denials that You might make), when you steal IDs, and implicitly in doing so, deliberately LIE, for malicious purposes? Stealing another person's ID is something that I would NEVER do!
So tell me again about Your Superior Theology?
PS, You (Oh Queen) are apparently saying that it's OK to act HOWEVER YOU WANT, and get a "free pass" with Your Magic Beliefs, fashionable hairstyle and whorestyle, etc. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!!! Your Magic Beliefs DO NOT protect You from the consequences of Your evil choices!!! If You drink a gallon of whiskey every day, is God going to forgive You because You have Magic Beliefs? AND give You Your healthy liver back? Have You SHOWN this to be true? Or do You know ANYONE who has demonstrated this?
If You spit in the faces of ALL of Your friends, will You have any friends left? You're not married, are You? Is this perhaps the pay-back that You have earned by being a Perfectly Superior One, in the face of EVERYONE that You meet? Can you NOT see my basic point, that Your Magic Beliefs are ZERO protection from "karma", or, "what comes around, goes around"?
"Was it YOU who stole "Buttplug the First"'s ID, to post child porn under his ID?"
See, the old psychopath is running cover for pedophiles again. It doesn't have matter if you fuck kids, if ᛋᛋqrlsy thinks you're in the Blue Tribe he'll invent excuses for you.
Depraved old piece of shit.
"Was it YOU who stole "Buttplug the First"'s ID, to post child porn under his ID?"
I notice that Mammary-Necrophilia-Child-Molester-Fuhrer doesn't deny it! And who (what sensible person) would believe Her anyway, what with Her being a Perfectly Skilled (and documented) ID thief?
"A fair trial" is when MY Tribe wins!"
I know that you mean that statement literally, ᛋqrlᛋy you Nazi fanatic.
You're the biggest hypocrite here, screaming about "tribalism" when you don't advocate a single fucking thing that blue check Twitter would frown on. Meanwhile you push the Democrat's Big Lie like it's holy writ.
A fair trial is when a jury of one's peers isn't unanimously comprised of people who voted the exact opposite way as they did me and haven't been intensely biased by the media coverage bubble they live in.
Seriously. DC votes between 90-100% Dem every election. Changes of venue are a thing and they typically occur when media coverage has so pervaded the potential jury pool that no possibility exists that a defendent can get a fair trial.
You've got people doing years in prison who entered through doors opened to them by the capitol police, who committed no acts of violence. The capitol is typically open to visitors year round and the times when it's technically restricted, most visitors who go to parade at the building get a $50 fine (e.g. people who crashed the Kavanaugh hearings).
The closest thing to a fair trial that happened was the defendant who took a bench trial instead of a jury trial and the judge was the only one weighing the fact that he assaulted no one and was on video being waived in by Capitol Police. In that case, the effect of a jury that is about as statistically hostile to his presumption of innocence as possible was simply avoided.
Why do you assume they want a fair trial over a show trial?
DC has proven to be a banana republic at this point.
I missed the part of the news where the rioters of 2020 where actually prosecuted for any serious crimes. Most that I saw were released without bail or bailed out by the leftist activists groups to later have their charges greatly reduced or dismissed outright. For all the destruction in the cities there were actually very few prosecutions.
Meanwhile, the legal profession, both practicing and in academia, have been very quiet about the two standards of justice applied depending upon the defendant's political leanings.
I missed the part of the news where the rioters of 2020 where actually prosecuted for any serious crimes.
Good point. That failure means that rioters from the other team should be let free without charges. It's only fair.
Who said their should be no charges?
2 years for fire bombing, 5 years for non violent parading. Sarc is totes on board.
Whoof whoof whoof!!!
Ideas!
And totally not a leftist.
Seems to be the implication. "Hey they got away with it! Why are our guys getting in trouble?"
Regardless of either party. Are 5 year please facing 20 years for non violent acts good or not?
Why the fuck as a self proclaimed libertarian can you not say no.
As I've said a dozen times or more, calling J6 an insurrection is a bad joke.
But keep on lying about what I say. You wouldn't be you if you didn't.
So five years in prison is a joke, but just a bad one.
Lol. Now it is a dozen times. Except for when you were backed into a corner cite once. I cited my example of you laughing at 5 years for feet on desk.
I was laughing at you and your buddies dismissing J6 as "mere tourism."
But keep on lying. It's all you know how to do.
Making fun of people for objecting to political prosecutions that result in longer sentences for "unpermitted parading" than for bashing someone's skull in with a bike lock is not separable from you supporting those prosecutions. You aren't half as clever as you think you are.
No you weren't. Need the link again? Feet on desks proved an insurrection?
Go ahead. Post it. It will impress your troll buddies, but anyone with a brain can tell your interpretation of it is a blatant lie.
https://reason.com/2022/04/13/bidens-plan-to-ease-gas-prices-will-save-drivers-a-few-cents-at-some-pumps-2-months-from-now/?comments=true#comment-9445165
Now post one time you've been against the government in regards to j6 protestors prior to yesterday. Just once. You've claimed dozens of times.
Switch the burden of proof, fallacy-boy. Oh, you already did.
You really should stop misusing fallacies when you dont understand them. Especially when I've given the citation.
Also this thread below lol.
I like that citation. It's a great example how you take seriously something that anyone with a brain can tell is in jest.
I can't tell if your dishonest, humorless, stupid, or just plain obtuse. Either way it's entertaining.
The burden of proof is on you, the accuser. You're telling me what I said and what I think. Your demand that I prove what I said is asking me to prove myself innocent of your charges.
But keep calling me the stupid one. It's really funny.
Switch the burden of proof, fallacy-boy.
The burden of proof properly is on you. You've claimed you've condemned the treatment of the 1/6 protesters dozens of times. All you need to do is cite those times. Nobody can ever prove definitively that somebody never said something.
Yes, it is important to be accurate here. sarcasmic celebrated the shooting of an unarmed woman by a racist piece of shit cop because she was trespassing, not because she was an insurrectionist. He also refused to impute any blame on anyone who participated in 2 years of rioting that caused 3 dozen deaths, hundreds of assaults, and 3 billion dollars worth of property damage, and suggested that anyone who wished to hold those people accountable was a fascist trying to persecute peaceful protesters by lumping them in with criminals. Be fair, and be accurate, to the letter.
I mean this was yesterday.
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Girls who dress slutty and get passed out drunk at parties shouldn't be surprised if bad things happen. Is that saying that they deserve it? No. Is that absolving rapists of fault? Hell no. There is a thing called inviting trouble.
What Babbitt did was unwise. She invited trouble. Trouble found her.
Am I wrong?
Yes. The rapist is at fault. The officer shot an unarmed woman. No big deal right?
I mean you just attacked officers for not jumping into a fucking river to save a guy who decided to go for a swim. You have shown more anger there than a woman being shot in the neck by a cop.
Good look for you buddy.
Yes. And also a depraved rape apologist. The mystery of why your wife left you and got full custody of the kids just continues to deepen...
So people are in no way responsible for the situations they put themselves into? That's what leftists say.
For being raped? That is on the rapist you piece of shit.
No personal responsibility. Got it.
Sarc’s really doubling down on rape victims being responsible. Wow.
Yes. You are frequently wrong. Especially in this case.
No sarc, a woman bears no personal responsibility for being raped.
The thought process in Jesse's mind is fascinating:
- I don't like sarcasmic or chemjeff
- I also don't like progressives
- Therefore sarcasmic and chemjeff are progressives
- Progressives think Jan. 6 represented an insurrection
- Therefore sarcasmic and chemjeff think Jan. 6 represented an insurrection
Does that about sum it up?
You literally cannot think beyond tribes. You are incapable. All the people you don't like are all a faceless blob that all believe the same thing. Who cares about trying to discern differences between what individuals believe? It is a waste of time. They are all bad people who believe bad things ergo you are free to assign whatever bad belief you want to all of them.
No Jeffy, you are a progressive because you exclusively attack conservatives and reflexively defend progressives and their policies in most cases. That’s what progressives do.
Tribalism uber alles, for the tribalists! Combine it with "do-gooder derogation", and we get “My Tribe’s Holy Lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD; your tribe’s evil lies leading to violence against My Tribe BAD”.
Fortunately, we have anonymity these days, when we explain to the evil people, that they are speaking and acting in evil ways! Else they would kill us!
Don’t tell the Emperor that He has no clothes! I am already a Perfect One! Me AND my tribe are Already Perfect! Any messengers bringing any news to the contrary? Let’s shoot and kill the messengers! This is a sad, sad, and VERY old tale… Jesus telling the hypocrites that they always kill the prophets… From http://web.mit.edu/jywang/www/cef/Bible/NIV/NIV_Bible/MATT+23.html Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
See just HOW old and sad it is?
In conclusion, “nice guys finish last”, in view of human history and the deaths of Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., etc., the better statement might be “nice guys get killed”! This is the more honest and complete version of the statement! Also this: The “do-gooder derogation” instinct (programmed emotion) could accurately be called the Jesus-killer ( Mahatma Gandhi-killer, Martin Luther King Jr.-killer, etc.) instinct.
Full factual details here... http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/
Fuck off, tribal troll. Go back to sucking Pelosi's dick.
The only thing you do-gooder, is be a dumbass.
You resent the hell out of the fact that many other people are flat-out, better, more honest people than you are, right? More “live and let live”, and WAAAY less authoritarian?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-love-and-war/201706/why-some-people-resent-do-gooders
From the conclusion to the above…
These findings suggest that we don’t need to downplay personal triumphs to avoid negative social consequences, as long as we make it clear that we don’t look down on others as a result.
SQRLSY back here now… So, I do NOT want you to feel BAD about YOU being an authoritarian asshole, and me NOT being one! PLEASE feel GOOD about you being an authoritarian asshole! You do NOT need to push me (or other REAL lovers of personal liberty) down, so that you can feel better about being an asshole! EVERYONE ADORES you for being that authoritarian asshole that you are, because, well, because you are YOU! FEEL that self-esteem, now!
You're not a do-gooder.
You're an evil old fuck and a compulsive liar that shills for pederasts, late-term abortions, child castration, censorship, imprisonment without charges, gaslighting and authoritarianism.
Wrong again shit weasel.
Chemjeff really is a shit weasel.
Imagine posting ActBlue and Media Matters talking points all day and then getting butthurt when people point you're obviously a progressive.
No, the implication is that a two-tiered justice system where people who commit violent crimes are sentenced more lightly than people who have committed no violence, and in cases, no actual crime, is not a "justice system" rightly called. Most people learn about this kind of stuff in 4th or 5th grade civics class, so it's a little above your pay grade.
Seems to be the implication. "Hey they got away with it! Why are our guys getting in trouble?"
But they DIDN'T simply 'get away with it'.
They were PRAISED for it. It was presented, by the left, as a force for the greater good.
It's not a failure. It's a matter of prosecutorial discretion. There were abundant cases of people in D.C. being arrested for actual violence in the 2020 riots and they went unprosecuted by the very same people that are throwing the book at people who did nothing more than enter a building that is usually open to the public after being waved in by the Capitol Police. I'm fine with prosecutors punishing people who actually assaulted people, committed vandalism, robbery at the Capitol, even though that same standard was not applied to people who committed similar acts in D.C. the summer before. It's a different thing entirely for the people who committed zero violence or property damage altogether at the Capitol and you know it.
Actually, a recent news story on that front: They just made a deal to let those two lawyers who were passing out Molotov cocktails at a riot and firebombed a police car off light. Let them withdraw their guilty plea, and replead to a lesser charge.
Let that soak in: They'd already plead guilty to the more serious charge, and were still allowed a better deal!
2 year sentence. They sought 20 and pleaded to 5 for the non violent j6 actors.
We can’t have democrats in America anymore. This is what we end up with. And it will get worse. Far worse.
American rights > democrat lives
Clearly, the situation is black and white.
J6 = extra-constitutional attack of political enemies
Simple.
"Libertarian" Reason generally avoids it. The VC (allegedly discussions of law/rights) acts like it didn't happen.
"extra-constitutional attack of political enemies"... You mean, like declaring Mike Pence to be a "political enemy" who deserves to be hung, for NOT reading and interpreting his VERY limited duties to mean that HE gets to ignore the voters, and declare and the next King, in the Grand Coronation?
Hey, are YOU lusting to be the next Loyal "R" Party Vice POTUS under the next Reign of Terror of Der TrumpfenFuhrer? And be afraid getting into your chariot, out of fear of getting knifed by the Palace Guard?
I think he was probably referring to things that actually happened, sarcasmic.
To the extent that the defendants did what prosecutors claim, the acts are already covered by laws that don't evoke the stink of show trials.
But enough about 'hate crimes'.
I can't tell if J.D. is defending the 20 year charges for interruption of congress in that statement. 20 years is nearly as bad as sedition.
The entire past year has been show prosecution and plea deals. Many of the defendants were not given basic rights, but into solitary, beaten by guards, etc.
They are still charging non violent prktestors with 5 year plea deals when they faced 20. Is J.D. implying this is fine because hey, it isnt sedition charges?
He is ok with the over reach in punishment. It the sedition label he takes umbrage with. It always about labels with progressives.
I don’t think TooChilli is a progressive, but there is a certain amount of lion towing that is expected of all the writers, to be sure.
remember how the police had to escort Kavanagh and his wife thru the halls to keep the rioters from harming them. good times. that was just as seditious if delaying a proceeding is all it takes.
remember when Clinton pardoned the people who actually blew up a bomb in the capital. the J6 protesters should get pardoned as well based on past rulings
READ the below and hang your tiny brainless, power-lusting shit-head in SHAME for always taking the side of Trumpanzees, power-luster-pig!
https://www.jpost.com/international/kill-him-with-his-own-gun-dc-cop-talks-about-the-riot-655709
‘Kill him with his own gun’ – DC cop talks about Capitol riot
DC Police officer Michael Fanone: I had a choice to make: Use deadly force, which would likely result with the mob ending his life, or trying something else.
“Pro-law-and-order” Trumpturds take the side of trumpanzees going apeshit, making cops beg for their lives! For trying to defend democracy against mobocracy! Can you slime-wads sink ANY lower?!?!
Power pigs lust for power at ALL costs! More news at 11:00!
https://www.newsweek.com/pro-trump-congressional-candidate-says-audit-all-50-states-execute-all-involved-1632838
Pro-Trump Congressional Candidate Says 'Audit All 50 states' and 'Execute All Involved'
I say again... BURN the witches AND the vote-stealing Demon-Craps! Bring ON the 1-party "R" state!
Marjorie Taylor Greene says execute democrats
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/26/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-democrats-violence/index.html
Marjorie Taylor Greene indicated support for executing prominent Democrats in 2018 and 2019 before running for Congress
From there…
In one post, from January 2019, Greene liked a comment that said "a bullet to the head would be quicker" to remove House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. In other posts, Greene liked comments about executing FBI agents who, in her eyes, were part of the "deep state" working against Trump.
Is SQRLSY posting his copy pasta and Salon link about Trump’s Big Lie again?
Is DesigNate totally flailing and failing at refuting a single damned thing that I post, AGAIN?!?!
"It's difficult to avoid the conclusion that Attorney General Merrick Garland and his staff are piling political charges on top of traditional criminal charges against people whose right-wing beliefs they despise just as his predecessor, Bill Barr, did against left-wingers."
Did Bill Barr actually charge any BLM / antifa rioters with sedition or seditious conspiracy, or merely rhetorically suggest it as an option on a political talk show?
To me, that seems like an important distinction when discussing the magnitude of the transgression.
Once again, we really dodged a bullet when the Republicans blocked Garland from joining the Supreme Court.
Yeah. The "Both-sides-ism" really falls flat when comparing the actions of one administration against the words of the previous administration. I can't tell you if anyone from Antifa was ever brought up on RICO charges, but I know they were never charged with seditious conspiracy.
Trump really did break people. Even when seeing some of the gravest abuses of federal power in a generation, they can't help but crying, "Well but Trump!" as if he was the existential threat to the Republic, and not people actively ignoring the rule of law.
TDS is a bitch.
What about the people still crying over the election? That's what broke Ken.
He never talks about people, just ideas.
From a guy who never talks about ideas, just people.
You realize I have multiple posts just on this thread talking about the charges right dumbass?
You realize that you're acting like a teenage girl, right?
Lol. How? Explain how my pointing your hypocrisy and bullshit is being a teenage girl but you yelling with random strawman and targeting people not here isnt.
God damn.
I'll leave that for the readers to decide.
Good idea. You're not very good at defending your inane, nonsensical bullshit.
Which is why I post your past comments you lie about.
We’ve decided you’re a hypocrite.
I said readers. Not trolls.
Are you going to head into work and ask your buddies to read your comments again or something?
Haha, that was another classic sarc.
“I have a lot of friends that read the comments section but don’t comment and they all agree with me and think I’m smart.”
That won’t fare well for you Sarc. Jesse tells the truth, you lie.
Sarcasmic is Cartman.
This reader says JesseAz is right
Well, at least we finally broke you of the habit of referencing a 20 year old jailbait flick whenever you find yourself with your own foot lodged firmly in your mouth. We're just generic teenage girls now, not Mean Girls. Given another 10 years, maybe we can break you of the 25 year old Jon Stewart references and pussying out of a fights you initiated by inviting the target of your impotent rage to suck you off in the bathroom of a boomer rock concert where every person on stage is eligible for social security.
I’m pretty sure Sarc would be the one doing the sucking if that scenario ever came to pass.
What a weird response to someone pointing out that both-sides-ism is being used to compare one side saying words and the other side abusing the power of the federal government with actions.
Just so you know, there were two paragraphs in the post. Go count them. Use your fingers if you have to.
I was responding to the second.
Dude,
“Even when seeing some of the gravest abuses of federal power in a generation, they can't help but crying, "Well but Trump!"”
That was in the second paragraph, lmao. Still drunk from last night?
Trump really did break people.
And the election broke Ken.
You've always been broken.
More schoolyard taunts! Keep it up!
Coming from the stupid faggot cunt who runs his mouth on the internet and challenges people to fights that he then pussies out on like the pathetic little bitch he is, that's cute. You were the little faggot on the schoolyard who would run his mouth until he got a fat lip and then run to the teacher like crying like a little tattle tale bitch. Some things never change.
The prior election broke you. To the extent that you are still obsessed with Donald Trump 2 fucking years after he left office, peacefully.
Which is, again, a pretty weird response to a post pointing out using both-sides-ism to compare one side saying things to the other side using the power of the federal government for abusive actions.
Not sure why you're bringing up Ken. Him leaving was a bummer to be sure, but he is not a part of this argument at all
Sarc never starts shit. He was just responding to something Ken said. 3 months ago.
No no, he’s really not broken.
So far you're the only person who has brought it up. Trump has been out of office half as long as he was in office and you're still obsessed with leftist memes from 5 years ago.
""What about the people still crying over the election?""
2000, 2016, or 2020?
You forgot to take a swiftboat to 2004 as well.
I think this is what disappoints and disturbs me the most.
J.d. also is calling interrupting congress is a traditional crime even though it has never been brought against other protestors who committed no violence.
The 4 Puerto Rican nationalists who literally opened fire on the floor of congress and wounded 5 representatives served 22 years of their sentences before they were commuted by Jimmy Carter and returned to Puerto Rico. Opening fire on an open session of congress is punishable by a sentence 2 years longer than unpermitted parading.
and they actually tried to kill people, we saw no attempts of killing on J6
Well, not by the protesters / rioters / trespassers.
"Merely" threats and suggestions!
READ the below and hang your tiny brainless, power-lusting shit-head in SHAME for always taking the side of Trumpanzees, power-luster-pig!
https://www.jpost.com/international/kill-him-with-his-own-gun-dc-cop-talks-about-the-riot-655709
‘Kill him with his own gun’ – DC cop talks about Capitol riot
DC Police officer Michael Fanone: I had a choice to make: Use deadly force, which would likely result with the mob ending his life, or trying something else.
“Pro-law-and-order” Trumpturds take the side of trumpanzees going apeshit, making cops beg for their lives! For trying to defend democracy against mobocracy! Can you slime-wads sink ANY lower?!?!
It's amazing how the second hand accounts of cops become the gospel truth when they are murdering unarmed women, but suddenly become suspicious in every other case, sarcasmic. It's almost as though you're a bootlicking Nazi piece of shit who constantly and unashamedly lies to rationalize state-sanctioned murder against people you don't like because you're a homicidal psychotic, but too much of a pathetic pussy bitch to put your revenge fantasies into action yourself.
To me, that seems like an important distinction when discussing the magnitude of the transgression.
It's also worth pointing out that Barr was speaking to a summer of ongoing riots across the country, oriented around a single movement or motivation, literally sharing tactics, targeting government buildings at all levels, and widely supported by media and public figures, not a one-off riot that ended after a couple of hours and was pretty much universally denounced for the violence that took place. It's like saying sedition charges for Disco Demolition Night or the Stonewall Riots is wrong but Lincoln was wrong to use them rhetorically leading up to the Civil War.
Will the executions be televised? We should weigh that into the decision.
Yeah, when the next "Hang Mike Pence" episode comes around, and they actually DO hang the VEEP for not becoming the Chief Votes-Ignoring King-Maker, I do hope that the hanging will be caught on cell phones, so that we can all see that THIS is what happens when extremists, tribalists, and greedy authoritarian power-pigs get their way! This may be what it will take to wake us up!
Yes, fantasizing about violence that you're too much of a pathetic pussy bitch to ever carry out yourself is one of your trademarks, sarcasmic.
Gray boxes replied.
Apparently to cheer on the public executions of it’s political enemies.
So weird this grey box’s breath smells like shit.
I, too, from My Lordly Perch on High, SNEER at the grey boxes! I refute ALL that they say, by ignoring them! Yea verily, I refute reality and the ENTIRE UNIVERSE, by ignoring them all! THIS is the Secret to My Vast Powers, and I now share it with ye lowly ones, for FREE!!!
(Bow LOW, peons, and express some GRATITUDE and OBEDIENCE!)
It's funny because you had a very public "enemies list" and used to brag constantly about the people you had muted, and then forget about it later and reply to those same people, sarcasmic. It's almost like every accusation you make is a confession.
Hi Tulpa!
“Dear Abby” is a personal friend of mine. She gets some VERY strange letters! For my amusement, she forwards some of them to me from time to time. Here is a relevant one:
Dear Abby, Dear Abby,
My life is a mess,
Even Bill Clinton won’t stain my dress,
I whinny seductively for the horses,
They tell me my picnic is short a few courses,
My real name is Mary Stack,
NO ONE wants my hairy crack!
On disability, I live all alone,
Spend desperate nights by the phone,
I found a man named Richard (Dick) Decker,
But he won’t give me his hairy pecker!
Dick Decker’s pecker is reserved for farm beasts,
I am beastly, yes! But my crack’s full of yeasts!
So Dear Abby, that’s just a poetic summary… You can read about the Love of my Life, Richard Decker, here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/11/farmers-kept-refusing-let-him-have-sex-with-their-animals-so-he-sought-revenge-authorities-say/#comments-wrapper
Farmers kept refusing to let him have sex with their animals. So he sought revenge, authorities say.
Decker the hairy pecker told me a summary of his story as below:
Decker: “Can I have sex with your horse?”
Farmer: “Lemme go ask the horse.”
Pause…
Farmer: “My horse says ‘neigh’!”
And THAT was straight from the horse’s mouth! I’m not horsin’ around, here, no mare!
So Richard Decker the hairy pecker told me that, apparently never even realizing just HOW DEEPLY it hurt me, that he was all interested in farm beasts, while totally ignoring MEEE!!
So I thought maybe I could at least liven up my lonely-heart social life, by refining my common interests that I share with Richard Decker… I, too, like to have sex with horses!
But Dear Abby, the horses ALL keep on saying “neigh” to my whinnying sexual advances!
Some tell me that my whinnying is too whiny… Abby, I don’t know how to fix it!
Dear Abby, please don’t tell me “get therapy”… I can’t afford it on my disability check!
Now, along with my crack full of yeasts… I am developing anorexia! Some are calling me a “quarter pounder with cheese”, but they are NOT interested at ALL, in eating me!!! They will NOT snack on my crack!
What will I DO, Dear Abby?!?!?
-Desperately Seeking Horses, Men, or ANYTHING, in Fort Worth,
Yours Truly,
R Mac / Mary Stack / Tulpa / Mary’s Period / “.” / Satan
Nobody childishly whining and crying and bitching and moaning about how Reason voted for Biden, how they condemned the summer riots too late, how they were mean to Trump, how they wanted this to happen, and how they're hypocrites?
I'm impressed!
Then again certain people haven't showed up yet...
Couldn't help yourself could you?
Dude, I was serious.
Which is why you're a joke here.
Got any more schoolyard taunts?
Not school yard. Pointing out how you have no problem of abuse against your perceived enemies. Weird response given you are trying to call out Ken who isn't even in the thread.
Not school yard.
"You're a joke! Neener neener!" That's you.
Pointing out how you have no problem of abuse against your perceived enemies.
Keep on lying. It's what you do best.
Weird response given you are trying to call out Ken who isn't even in the thread.
I was pointing out that Trump opponents aren't the only ones who are broken. But you knew that. You're just being a liar as usual.
Calling everyone to the right of Lenin a "Trumpista" is very serious dialogue though, right sarcasmic? You never call anyone names. Like when you drunk-posted calling your ex-wife who left you because you are a hopeless unemployed alcoholic who abused her and her children a cunt, or bragged about spitting in the food of people you didn't like when you ostensibly worked as a line cook (a job which, had you ever actually held it, you would realize does not interact with customers; also a job which, had you ever actually held it, probably would have acquainted you with what a Cuban sandwich is).
THERE’S NO CUBAN SANDWICHES IN MAINE!
Do you find it odd you cry like a bitch for being called a leftist for defending the left through deflection but then call those pointing out j6 abuses trumpistas without batting an eye?
Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies....
When unable to continue defending his inane bullshit, sarcasmic retreats to what he's best at: irrelevant boomer pop culture references.
You really have mental issues based around self delusion.
Thanks for the diagnosis, doc.
I'm sure I'm not the first.
Dr. JesseBahnFuhrer's Doctor of Doctorology powers fall right in line with Dr. JesseBahnFuhrer's heroes in the Soviet Union!
Hey Dr. JesseBahnFuhrer!
"Mentally ill", my ass! Whoever disagrees with totalitarians is "mentally ill"! That makes YOU just like the communist totalitarian assholes of the USSR who used psychiatry to punish political dissidents, asshole!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union#:~:text=During%20the%20leadership%20of%20General,that%20contradicted%20the%20official%20dogma.
Sarc is having another meltdown. Prepare for for his revisionist account of these events tonight when he starts running his mouth again.
The word of the day is apophasis.
Nothing is 'tainted'. No one here is claiming the law is not valid and would pass Constitutional muster. If they had all the evidence they have now, maybe they would have charged sedition first and obtained a plea bargain by now and not charged on the lesser included, similar offenses. It's common practice to charge the phone book (you're facing 300 years if convicted!) to force a plea bargain. Defense attorneys love 300 years because if the evidence is decent they get a plea bargain and get to keep that big fat retainer.
""The history of sedition prosecutions is rife with injustices, and the precedent, once established, becomes a grotesque Frankenstein monster," historian David Beito observed in Reason after the Capitol riot. "In many cases, the same people demanding prosecutions end up, when political fashions change, facing prosecution for the same offense.""
Read this quote and understand just how TRIBE even Reason became. One "people", Bill Barr, was arguing for Seditious Conspiracy. One. And last I saw, he is not currently being prosecuted.
This travesty of American ideals has nothing to do with Tribe, and has to do with a seeping rot in our society that wants to punish people for failing to bow to an authoritarian government.
This article to me came across as 20 years for parading and interrupting congress is fine, just not sedition.
It is a pretty weak willed article given all of the other political abuses involved with the j6 defendants.
"This travesty of American ideals has nothing to do with Tribe, and has to do with a seeping rot in our society that wants to punish people for failing to bow to an authoritarian government."
Total bullshit! The 2 main tribes having GINOURMOUS self-righteous "punishment boners" is what leads STRAIGHT TO the authoritarian government!
Tribe "D" wants to PUNISH-PUNISH-PUNISH all of the "un-woke" who use language that hurts the Precious Baby Feelings of others, and wants to use always MORE taxes to "help" the poor (AKA, make our charity choices for us; displace ALL private charity. Tax us till we have no ability any more to help the poor of our own free will, which doesn't count. Only tax-funded charity counts.)
Tribe "R" wants to PUNISH-PUNISH-PUNISH all of those who don't worshit the Sacred Fartilized Egg Smells!!! You of ALL people should KNOW that, Overt!
We need to cut OFF our punishment boners!!! Go trans! Then we'd ALL be better off!
So Overt... Fair trade? If "Team D" gives up THEIR punishment boners about compelling "woke" speech, and all charity being forced into the public domain... Will YOU give up YOUR punishment boner about compelling the worshit of Sacred Fartilized Egg Smells?
If not... Then YOU are part of the problem, not a part of the solution!
One of these defendants is ready to squeal and turn in Trump as the mastermind behind it all, right?
There is no tainting of the J6 political show trials, just an expansion of them you evil marxist cunt. Should we compare/contrast your coverage of the summer 2020 riots and secession attempt vs the J6 protest? How much looting, vandalism, assault and murder must one commit to move from insurrection to peaceful protest in your eyes, or is it all about the left wing politics?
Unmarked vans!!!!!
At least in the '90s we got cool music out of an out of control, unaccountable government violently suppressing its citizenry.
LOTS of whataboutism here! What about Trump's Big Lie? That's OK, 'cause Hitler did it too! Hitler did it FIRST, actually, so Trump was just acting in retaliation, I guess!
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?
Totalitarians want to turn GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).
You don't have to be sympathetic to the January 6 rioters and their tantrum....
I stopped reading when I saw the word tantrum, first line of the "article"
Pro-tip: write dispassionate articles to win converts to your thesis. Otherwise, snarky, hit pieces peddling narratives and "talking points" will cause people to ignore your writings and jump to the comments section. Presumably you write and are paid to win converts.
Here is an excellent example for you to model your next piece.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/proud-boys-leader-enrique-tarrio-four-others-charged-with-seditious-conspiracy-in-jan-6-probe-11654546936
Proud Boys Ex-Leader Enrique Tarrio, Four Others Charged With Seditious Conspiracy in Jan. 6 Probe
Seditious conspiracy charges are rare and represent the most serious offense leveled so far by the Justice Department in its investigation of the Jan. 6 attack. The statute, which carries stiffer penalties than conspiracy, is directed against those who conspire to use force to overthrow the government, impede its laws or seize its property.
But they have to get that brown hating white supremist... Enrique
The worst white supremacists are all either Hispanic or black. Clarence Thomas. Nick Fuentes. Enrique Tarrio...
Not a an enlightened woke warrior like that lifelong SJW white savior Joe Biden.
“Presumably you write and are paid to win converts.”
You would presume wrong. Reason writers write to push the narratives preferred by their billionaire benefactor.
But if you're pushing it, surely the job involves convincing people, right? Being persuasive somehow? This preaching to people who already agree with you is just masturbatory and accomplishes nothing.
Maybe they don’t realize that being obviously disingenuous when presenting your argument isn’t effective with libertarians?
"...I stopped reading when I saw the word tantrum, first line of the "article"..."
I stopped aft er it was obvious that Tuccille can't spell "protesters".
Stuff it up your ass, Tuccille.
We were okay with solitary confinement for a year without being held. We are okay with forced confessions. We're okay with stazi style policing, but sedition charges might be too much.
Welcome to "reason" everyone
That isnhow I read this also. Pretty terrible.
Dammit Reason! You're making me feel sympathetic to a bunch of criminal assholes. But as you say, other laws apply so I hope they get the gavel thrown at them for those charges. No need to pile up charges when one already has laws covering the actual crimes.
You didn't seem all that conflicted when you were cheerleading the murderous, violent riots all throughout 2020 that resulted in 3 dozen deaths, hundreds of assaults, 3 billion dollars worth of property damage, and 2 "autonomous zones" whose leaders "officially" seceded from the United States. It's weird, it's almost like you're an incredibly stupid piece of shit leftist or something.
You weren't paying attention then. I didn't like those acts of violence either. Stop projecting.
Fuck off and die, TDS-addled shitpile. Make your family proud, and quit making a public ass of yourself.
So you support 5 years in federal prison for non violent acts. For plea deals. Facing 20 years.
Lie some more.
That's your special job. Does Brandybuck give you the occasional reacharound for you being his lap poodle, or do you just enjoy it enough to do it for free?
Reason’s new Mute user button is like rectal immunotherapy; every whining pain in the ass is suddenly gone, whoosh, just like that!
That one is a regular who uses several different accounts a week.
And yet it's not very difficult to figure out who I am. Maybe there's a lesson in that for you, sqrlcasmic.
If you want to know who someone is, why don’t you just ask?
Yes, fragile snowflakes often need to retreat to their safe spaces when they are confronted with their lies and dishonesty.
Brandy literally said
But as you say, other laws apply so I hope they get the gavel thrown at them for those charges
You can't even tell the truth on this post. You really have fucking issues with the truth.
But as you say, other laws apply so I hope they get the gavel thrown at them for those charges
As in charges that don't included sedition. Yet you insist that he wants charges of sedition. Why? Because you're a liar.
Actually JesseAZ never said that, you lying piece of shit. He said:
Fewer than a dozen of the well over 500 people arrested in connection with J6 have been charged with sedition. The charges for which they are facing 20 years in prison are trespass, parading, and interfering with a government hearing. The same things that the hundreds of people who tried to break down the doors at the Kavanaugh hearing did, except no one was charged.
He is a complete idiot.
Nobody else has been charged with sedition. They are facing 20 years for the other charges you fucking moron.
I expect you to ignore the posts where I said I was ill informed and think that 20 is inappropriate, and to keep on lying about what I say and think.
Anything else would be honest, and totally out of character.
I expect you to ignore the posts where I said I was ill informed
If you're ill informed shut the fuck up and get informed. THEN talk.
If you insist on adding your opinion --that YOU HAVE STATED-- is ill informed expect ridicule.
But you’ve been totes fine with locking these people up without bail for almost 18 months? For minor charges?
That’s a supposition, not a lie.
Forgot the pedant tag.
These team players are amazing to watch in action.
Now do the women who stormed the senate building during the kavanaugh protests
Charges of trespassing, vandalism and interfering with government business are sufficient. No need to add political crimes to the list.
Arresting pregnant women who formed a human chain around violent arsonists who had set fire to a federal building and beaten several people was literal fascism though. uNmarKEd vANs!!!!!!!!
I remember the whining about the uNmArKeD VaNs.
It was astonishing they were defending violent rioters.
So again you support 5 year please and 20 year threats if not pled down. That's what you are literally supporting with this comment. That is what prosecutors are charging.
So please lie some more how you think this is abuse when you support it.
The charges are appropriate. 20 years is not. But it's pretty normal for the sentence to not fit the crime.
And yes this is bookmarked for next time you lie again.
interfering with government business are sufficient.
This is the 20 year charge moron.
Ah, didn't realize. That does seem excessive.
Nothing like calling somebody else a liar because you're a stupid piece of shit with no idea what the fucking topic of discussion is, eh you drunken piece of shit?
Lol. So broken.
Just sad.
So locking them up without bail on trespassing and vandalism charges is ok?
Brandyshit, posting as a TDS-addled asshole!
Stuff it up your ass, shitpile.
+1
Seriously Brandyshit, your TDS is terminal man.
We can only wish.
How do you feel about the fact that the people being charged with seditious conspiracy here aren't accused of any actual violent behavior? One of the guys is literally charged with interfering with police simply because he was identified as a person in the crowd who had been shot by police with rubber bullets.
"No need to pile up charges when one already has laws covering the actual crimes."
There are certainly people who did commit violent acts and vandalism, but in a lot of these cases the "crimes" they committed were simply entering a building that is typically open to the public after Capitol Police opened the doors for them.
Tuccille is right as usual, but still... The big picture, from the viewpoint of a cat on a wall, reveals three mangy curs--Nationalsocialist Trumpistas, Sovietsocialist Dems, and lazy bloated bureaucracies--all trying to tear each other to bits. This is what Nixon's campaign subsidies law and JFK's unionizing of sinecure-seekers have done to a formerly great country. Quo vadis?
Here's how a lefty shit justifies murder of an un-armed protester:
"JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”"
Yes, murder as a preventative measure since the victim migh later have done something the lefty shit doesn't like.
It's an interesting question inasmuch as there was a 4-man SWAT team standing less than 10 feet behind her with their M4 rifles trained on her back and didn't think it warranted shooting her.
the defendants' alleged actions are already addressed by other laws regarding obstruction of official proceedings, interfering with police, civil disorder, destruction of government property, and assaulting officers.
Not to mention chewing gum in class and driving with the load not properly tied down.
/R.P. McMurphy, Walter Gibson
Reason still hasn't even mentioned Ray Epps, nor reveal that he and a half dozen other coconspirators (who haven't been charged by Biden's FBI/DOJ ) orchestrated much of the capitol break in on Jan 6, breaking through gates and doors, then herding/telling thousands of Trump supporters to enter Capitol grounds and into the building.
But the biggest problem with Pelosi's Jan 6 Committee is that it has failed to acknowledge that Pelosi is primarily responsible for the events on Jan 6, by rejecting Trump's request for 10,000 National Guard troops to be at the capitol.
Reason should be focusing on these issues.
lets not forget Pelosi conspiring with the general to have Trump arrested even before the vote count.
""or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof." ""
CHAD in Seattle? It's ok if the left does it.
That was a mostly peaceful sedition.
R Mac wants to hang Mike Pence in a mostly peaceful manner!
Uh oh, I see a gray box replied. Probably to be followed by more.
I can't refute what you say, so I'll just call you a gray box!
Do you call your conscience a gray box ass well, so ass to ignore it?
ooooooooh Mr. Big Bad Government is afraid of a crowd of unarmed people on foot. who is Ray Epps?
he is a fed agent
Hey, if you can think of another way to criminalize one's political opposition, I'm sure the Biden administration would be all ears...
Reason 2020-22! Libertarians for multi-year sentences and no bail applied to misdemeanor charges. But, but, BOTH SIDES!!!
If only some of them had weed out and engaged in prostitution...
also wtf Matthew McConaughey lol
Not sure "stoner actor" is really the voice of a cause.
I find myself more and more disgusted by the Jan 6 star chamber spectacle.
You hate violent treason too, huh?
No one’s surprised you support unconstitutional kangaroo courts.
Did you support Trump when he was calling for the murder of the vice president?
Do you have a cite for that?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/05/25/trump-approved-of-hang-mike-pence-chants-during-capitol-riot-staffers-reportedly-learned/?sh=60dd33d7f1f7
Trump Approved Of ‘Hang Mike Pence!’ Chants During Capitol Riot
Is that anything like empathizing with a shitty comedian holding a Trump severed head replica?
You know he doesn’t.
Did you support Chuck Shumer when he threatened the supreme court with the "whirlwind"?
What is implied here? Hopefully not the below...
"The power-pigging ways of the Rethugglicans is fully justified in the name of self-defense, by the power-pigging ways of the Demon-Craps." Of course, the Demon-Craps will say the same thing, inverted and perverted!
How will ANY of this lead to real progress and smaller Government Almighty, instead of thinking-inversions and perversions?
I hope that Samual "Scalito" Alito, Amy Coney "Handmaid" Barrett, Clarence "Coke can pubes" Thomas, Neil "Retard" Goruch, and Brett "rapist" Kavanaugh are all murdered.
Think of the lives that could be improved. The supreme court is an absurdity.
Thanks for admitting you want your political enemies murdered. Not that anyone’s surprised.
That’s not even the second time he’s admitted such.
I will give Tony this much: you know exactly where he stands on any issue and he doesn’t try to sugar coat or obfuscate his totalitarian/authoritarian ways.
Can you provide a quote?
We all know why they are using 'seditious conspiracy' charges: it sounds scary and will convince idiots that these guys are real dangerous.
Sedition, crime against the state. Though sedition may have the same ultimate effect as treason, it is generally limited to the offense of organizing or encouraging opposition to government in a manner (such as in speech or writing) that falls short of the more dangerous offenses constituting treason.
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Sounds about right to me.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/conspirators-proud-boys-and-oath-keepers-jan-6
Looks like a lying lefty shit to me.
I feel like it's a conspiracy of silence, but right-wingers who are morbidly obese, which is most right-wingers, all have an addiction to alcohol.
People don't consider the calorie content of alcohol. It'll make you fat, my dudes.
You’re calling Jeffy far right? And I don’t know if sarc is fat or not.
Can anyone point me to an example of Antifa or BLM attacking and attempting to seize a federal building and/or making an attempt on the lives of a federal body?
Without that, the comparison between the actions of the J6 Insurrectionists and the BLM/Antifa protesters is a pretty bad faith attempt at an argument.
You’re not too smart, are you?
Antifa attempted to burn down at least one federal building.
And what is your evidence that the Jan 6 protesters attempted violence on any federal body?